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SceneTorrents: The Untold Story of Raids and Arrests

In the dying days of November 2009, a shockwave rippled through the private BitTorrent tracker community. One of the scene’s most successful sites, SceneTorrents, was shutting down for good, with the site’s operators citing “legal issues”. Now, 18 months later, here is the full story of raids and arrests, followed up by an all-too-familiar deafening silence.

While sites like The Pirate Bay grab most of the headlines in the BitTorrent world, there is another thriving part of the eco-system which attracts much less attention. The Internet currently plays host to many hundreds, probably thousands, of so-called private BitTorrent trackers.

These sites usually require an invitation to become a part of and tend to be much more organized than their public counterparts. Not that public sites are disorganized as such, but with limited resources and means of generating funds for survival, admins on private sites tend to keep a relatively tight leash on members and content availability in order to keep their sites healthy.


SceneTorrents – The Untold Story

One such site, SceneTorrents (ScT), had been working the private scene for nearly 4.5 years but on 27th November 2009, it all came crashing down. Filling an initial information vacuum in which rumor spread like wildfire, staff eventually said that the site would close forever, citing “pending legal issues.”

ScT

“Well ScT started in 2005 and apart from the odd take down request by Warner and a few others, things were plain sailing!” ex-owner of ScT ‘Feeling’ told TorrentFreak.

“Roll on 27th November 2009, the police turn up at my door at 6am – two detectives, a few police and a Proceeds of Crime officer.”

Of course, for those growing ever more familiar with anti-piracy enforcement in the UK – particularly those following the failed legal actions against TV-Links and FileSoup – the police were not on their own.

Along with the police came two investigators from FACT – the Hollywood-funded Federation Against Copyright Theft.

“The police handcuffed me and arrested me for copyright theft and money laundering,” Feeling told us.

“They then asked me to show them every room in the house before leading me off down my driveway and then into the back of a police van. In the mean time I see more FACT officers enter my home to search it while I was in the back of the van. At 6am in winter it is mighty cold, I can tell you that!”

Feeling was then driven a few miles to the nearest big police station where he was taken into custody and held in a cell. Several hours later his questioning began.


Interrogation

Led by a Detective Chief Inspector and joined by a Proceeds of Crime officer and one investigator from FACT, Feeling was accompanied by a duty solicitor.

“The police started off asking me about ScT, how long it had been running, my part in it and my knowledge of what was going on. They also questioned me about other sites I had no part in but they thought I did,” Feeling explained.

“The FACT guy sat there most of the time just listening, and he would chirp in now and then with his limited knowledge of BitTorrent and P2P.”

While Feeling notes that FACT had limited knowledge of what they were investigating, the police had even less idea.

“The police did not know a single thing about BitTorrent, P2P or anything else like that,” he explains. “I found it quiet disappointing that FACT had told the police that I was a major criminal to get them to arrest me and search my house.”

Convincing the police that file-sharing site operators are major criminals is a speciality of FACT – they have managed that in many cases already including TV-Links, FileSoup, SurfTheChannel and AradiTracker, to name a few.


Hunted down by Hollywood, with help from unlikely allies

The FACT officer present had a file in his possession which contained photographs of Feeling, but quite how they tracked Feeling down to his home address has never been revealed – he didn’t have his name or address on the site’s server bills or PayPal account.

However, TorrentFreak put it to Feeling that enemies of SceneTorrents were perhaps not to be found exclusively at the MPAA, but also in another ‘group’ a lot closer to home. From 2006 to 2009, the Warez Scene had waged an on/off campaign to compromise SceneTorrents and its staff. The information revealed by them, although it wouldn’t stand up in court as-is, would certainly have been welcomed by FACT. Some of it was incredibly sensitive.


Running a criminal case is no problem for Hollywood

“At the time of the arrest I thought it was the police that were running the whole thing, but I have later learned through the police telling me that it is FACT that are running the show and it is them who have my stuff up in Scotland,” Feeling explained.

FACT

At one point FACT, a private company, actually got involved in the interview.

“The FACT officer asked if I downloaded TV shows and if so, which ones?” Feeling told us. “I replied with ‘one or two’, and named Top Gear. He then went into a rant about stopping a DVD sale.”

Feeling asked the FACT guy about the free availability of these shows on the BBC iPlayer and how they may or may not affect DVD sales. “He didn’t say much after that,” he said.

Once the interview process was completed, Feeling was required to give a DNA sample and have his picture taken. He was then released on bail and given a date in February 2010 to return.

At home he discovered items had been taken by FACT – two Xboxes, a PC, portable hard drives, a phone, and even cash. Later that evening the phone and money were returned but Feeling was required to sign documents granting access to his bank accounts.


The End of SceneTorrents

“After they had left I logged onto MSN on a friend’s PC and told djgrrr [a trusted staff member] to shut SceneTorrents all down,” Feeling explained.

ScT rip

As in the FileSoup case, Feeling was not ordered by the police to close SceneTorrents. This enabled staff to post up a message and leave the forums open to give the members some information and allow them time to find new homes.

However, the fact that the site had remained up, at least partially, caused issues among some site members. ScT had just completed a donation drive to get money for new hardware and some felt that having successfully pulled in money, shutting down had always been the plan. Of course, Feeling would’ve liked to have set the record straight, but due to his serious legal position, he couldn’t do that at the time.

While Feeling was getting arrested, another ScT staff member was also suffering the same fate. Discussions between the pair ended in a shared conclusion – no more torrent sites. “It just wasn’t worth it anymore,” Feeling told us.


The endless wait for justice

Then in February, just two days before Feeling was due to answer his bail, the Detective Chief Inspector (DCI) handling the case contacted him. The police were still waiting for a response from the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) on how to proceed and a new bail date was set for May 2010.

In May the same thing happened again, and a new date was fixed for July. But while July duly arrived, the same could not be said about a decision from the CPS. No new date was set and several months later Feeling was wondering what on earth was going on.

“Christmas 2010 came and I called the DCI to find out what is going on and what was taking so long,” he explained. “They told me they were waiting on advice from the CPS but it was nearly resolved and we would find out more information in the New Year.”

But then in March 2011, Feeling read an article on TorrentFreak about the mess surrounding the now-failed case against FileSoup, again with FACT at the helm.

With cases failing all around them, FACT don’t have a good record when it comes to successful file-sharing site prosecutions so Feeling’s lawyers are now pressing the police to get something done about these continuing delays.

TorrentFreak has learned that admins of another UK-based torrent site are in the same position as Feeling. We have a hunch who that could be, although we could not get that confirmed at this stage. When we have the news of the outcomes in both cases, we’ll post an update.

As reported briefly yesterday, FACT continue with their drive to close down UK-based file-sharing sites with the assistance of the police, but without a successful prosecution to their name despite many arrests, one wonders for how long this can continue.

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  • Martha.

    I almost cried after reading this.

    This is so sad…

    The Judicial System Sucks.

    Fuck You ‘FACT’.

    • TrueFact

      Yeah.

      ‘Sharing is Caring’

      ‘FACT’ = Fascist Animals Constraining Technology..

    • SomeAsian

      It does suck man.

      But my question is, when will the cops realize that perusing site operators, which is a legal grey area, is a waste of taxpayer money?? Not only that, but FACT is pressuring and coercing the police to go after these guys, and that is illegal. Using false facts and accusations of money laundering when one or or both parties knows it to be false, is ILLEGAL.

      In summation, Fuck you FACT.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        The fact that FACT (heh) was actively conducting not only investigations but also seizing private property highlights that it’s a rogue outfit and it must be put under control. They are no different than some sort of gestapo. Amuses me the two Xbox seized since consoles have everything to do with movies. I guess that just reinforces how clueless they are about the internet.

        They [the admins] will probably get away free, much like the Filesoup case. However, the damage is done since the site has closed down and the community pretty much vanished. They should have kept if online and the members well informed.

  • anon401

    as a matter of FACT,, they suck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    hackers take down FACT !!!

  • http://theelitist.net/ Xeross

    This is just ridiculous, why would the police even aid FACT with this, you can’t just barge into someone’s home because some random company says so.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      It seems in Soviet Russia FACT raids YOU. Oh wait, it’s the UK….

  • Synikil

    Wow… That is crazy and sad that FACT can get away with that.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

    Surely there is something illegal about FACT, a private company) leading a supposed criminal investigation. There must be a way to stop extrajudicial actions like this. Any UK based lawyers have an opinion on this?…

    • Anonymous

      FACT are brought into cases as “technical experts” to advise the Police.

      That is often not the result. Yes FACT are mostly clueless about technology and the Police are often not bothered to handle cases and just turn things over to FACT.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah but how can they turn over an investigation to what basically is an organised angry mob? They have no rights to go through peoples stuff. Would you get to go through the finances and take the computers home of someone you THOUGHT was screwing you over? I don’t know if you have filed a police report lately, but even if you can give them the name of who stabbed you + have it on tape nothing is going to happen.

        And how can FACT be the technical expert, do the investigation and be the accuser at the same time? Where technical expert means they inform a judge of how this is a crime (when they know absolutely nothing)? Playing police, judge and executioner anyone?

        • Anonymous

          At least the CPS are not trusting FACT these days. Like in the case of FileSoup then if no independent Police investigation then no criminal court case, no conviction and no prison time.

          That “we have no trust in you” is quite a damning view of FACT. If the CPS keep it up then FACT will have to largely remove themselves from cases.

          Still FACT’s goal is to cause maximum damage in a law system abusing way and a conviction is only one method.

        • Jon7272

          the goal was to scare the admins to close there site. very sadely they succeded less people supposabaly to share files they think these shareres will now give up and bye thete media lmfao little do they know

      • BenniWest

        This is true, however in my own experience and as I’m advised FACT have no legal Powers to attend interview unless they are a government body, and as i am advised they can only give evidence in front of either a magistrate or crown court as witnesses or experts in the field neither of which (in my case at least) is applicable to UK LAW….. for interview, my experience is that neither the police or even fact have any clue as to current technology or even how to cope with it……just blind men with hopes and dreams…. even with the updated Digital Economy Act neither has any clue on how it is to be enforced or even what evidence is needed……. #fail and had a great time in front of judge who told both the POLICE and FACT to in his own word ‘look seroiusly at procedures and exorcism of additional powers implemented by the new Digital Economy Act and called for review of cases involved……..unlucky FACT I’ll see you in civil…ps i’ll keep you updated

        • BenniWest

          p.s Violated0 I read your comments frequently and wish to convey the fact that I am not just some numpty giving my opinion I have had numerous brushes with FACT even back in the day when they were FAST (amiga 500 and xcopy …dont ask) if you wish to know more just ask:)

        • Anonymous

          These days FACT and FAST are two independent organizations even if they can often work together. I have met both of them during my own business raid and following police interview.

          Up to you what information you want to add. I do not state the full details of my case here so they cannot link to who I really am. I was never arrested, their claim was ludicrous and could not have been more wrong, then they dropped the case months later and returned my stuff. Their destructive actions did cause me over 1 million in damages and a nervous breakdown. You can say when you are the top business in your market it is a long way to fall when you get pushed.

          I have always been supportive in promoting the public’s LEGAL rights under the copyright monopoly and the artificial restrictions they impose.

          Yes many people around have been violated by FACT and FAST. I bare the name Violated now as a reminder that FACT will harm legal business based on completely false claims.

          All because one of the companies they represent was failing and they wanted someone other then their own flawed business model to blame. All true.

      • BenniWest

        This is true, however in my own experience and as I’m advised FACT have no legal Powers to attend interview unless they are a government body, and as i am advised they can only give evidence in front of either a magistrate or crown court as witnesses or experts in the field neither of which (in my case at least) is applicable to UK LAW….. for interview, my experience is that neither the police or even fact have any clue as to current technology or even how to cope with it……just blind men with hopes and dreams…. even with the updated Digital Economy Act neither has any clue on how it is to be enforced or even what evidence is needed……. #fail and had a great time in front of judge who told both the POLICE and FACT to in his own word ‘look seroiusly at procedures and exorcism of additional powers implemented by the new Digital Economy Act and called for review of cases involved……..unlucky FACT I’ll see you in civil…ps i’ll keep you updated

    • BenniWest

      My UK lawyer brushed them off, we called for judicional review in front of crown, which both THE POLICE AND FACT declined to attend … charges dropped… they have no power and the fact the police even let them have access to my details is currently under review by the CPS i’ll keep you updated

      • LaLa

        That is correct. They behave in a similar way to debt collection agencies:
        claiming to have legal powers they don’t.
        Stand up to them and they fold.
        The only way they can go to court is if they have proof that that profit was generated from a copyrighted work, ie, that it was sold for commercial gain.

  • http://twitter.com/thedanrichie Daniel Richardson

    When i read things like this it doesn’t encourage me to buy DVD’s, buy iTunes singles, buy zune passes, buy cineworld unlimited cards. It encourages me to put 2 fingers up at the record industry, the film industry, FACT, MPAA.

    Why would i want to pay the wages for someone who’ll treat me like some sort of criminal when i’ve essentially done nothing wrong.

    • Anon

      Full Boycott.

      • Guest

        That’s the only way.

  • Guest

    Aside from the discussion whether file-sharing is wrong or right; the level of amateurism and opportunism on side of FACT and the police is just disturbing. This is 2011 people, not 1960.

    • Anonymous

      My main advice for all people in conflict with FACT is to take up your legal rights.

      When your items get seized by court order you have the legal right to attend the post-raid item review and to point out items they have no logical basis in keeping. Taking up this legal right can save months or years before you see them again so a key event not to miss when they wont willingly part with them later on. You could well be the only technical expert there to explain what this hardware does.

      Neither the Police nor FACT will be keen to point out this right written in law. They instead are always eager to drag you away for a police interview. While most people are keen to set the record straight in a police interview you have just forfeited your legal right to attend the post-raid item review. So delay the interview and demand your legal right to attend the item review under seizure law.

      They have to comply with your demand or they have just violated seizure law which is extra bad news for them. Don’t let them bully you and violate your rights.

  • Solaris

    Any more info regarding this?

    [quote]However, TorrentFreak put it to Feeling that enemies of SceneTorrents were perhaps not to be found exclusively at the MPAA, but also in another ‘group’ a lot closer to home. From 2006 to 2009, the Warez Scene had waged an on/off campaign to compromise SceneTorrents and its staff. The information revealed by them, although it wouldn’t stand up in court as-is, would certainly have been welcomed by FACT. Some of it was incredibly sensitive.[/quote]

    Quite a shame they may have been snitched on purely as a way to hit them where it hurts..

  • Bangladeshi

    Dear me. Were those actually bobbies or drugged football hooligans?

    I’d thought that even the Queen couldn’t have gone and gotten anyone arrested and raided just on on her say-so, without warrant, which in turn would have required sufficient evidence of wrongdoing independently verified by the relevant authorities….. Not only did that not happen, the whole effing investigation is done by FAC in-house???? Why doesn’t Parliament just disband the entire constabulary and Scotland Yard, and hand over the country to Blackwater?? At least that’d save on some taxes…

  • IRISHMAN

    Fact= scum
    Police should spend there time catching criminals instead of aiding these parasites

  • TLDR

    tl;dr – The scene had a personal vendetta against this site for a long time and made a lot of scene notices regarding him. Why this one site in a world of thousands of torrent sites? God knows.
    FACT convinced the local police to kick down his door and bring him in, despite less than zero knowledge of what he’s done. FACT, as is well-documented, does not know how to do their job and asks stupid questions.
    How FACT are able to convince the police to do their job is still a matter of speculation, but I suspect they learned their skills by also being child-groomers at the local elementary school during the week. Regardless, he’s never been charged, tried, or convicted – and his bail has kept him out of jail for a long time.

  • Philip11

    Simply put the rich and big corporations control the police. Just look how many police are in the neighborhoods of the wealthy as opposed to the poor areas.
    Sound like an easy wrongful arrest lawsuit would be in order.

  • Philip11

    Simply put the rich and big corporations control the police. Just look how many police are in the neighborhoods of the wealthy as opposed to the poor areas.
    Sound like an easy wrongful arrest lawsuit would be in order.

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  • Alpha

    I guess the other site been talked about is Uk-T

  • conio

    err im confused, a private citizen, non police is allowed to be in a police interview ? wow the legal system is nuts in the uk

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    The UK’s FACT have for some years now tried to warp non-commercial filesharing (an issue in civil law) into being an issue of criminal law in order to achieve that all-important conviction that’s so far eluded them.

    The best way for FACT to do this is to simply lie to the Police by presenting extremely dubious evidence, in order to get access to suspects’ home, premises, property and personal effects. Only once that’s been achieved can ‘real’ evidence be discovered – IF ANY EXISTS at all.

    So far there’s been no such evidence whatsoever and FACT’s continual lying to Police will eventually backfire on them and they will one day be told by Police to fuck off and stop wasting their time and limited resources.

    The sooner the Police wise-up to this outrageous scam by FACT, the better.

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    The UK’s FACT have for some years now tried to warp non-commercial filesharing (an issue in civil law) into being an issue of criminal law in order to achieve that all-important conviction that’s so far eluded them.

    The best way for FACT to do this is to simply lie to the Police by presenting extremely dubious evidence, in order to get access to suspects’ home, premises, property and personal effects. Only once that’s been achieved can ‘real’ evidence be discovered – IF ANY EXISTS at all.

    So far there’s been no such evidence whatsoever and FACT’s continual lying to Police will eventually backfire on them and they will one day be told by Police to fuck off and stop wasting their time and limited resources.

    The sooner the Police wise-up to this outrageous scam by FACT, the better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    The problem is that while FACT have an appaulling track record at legal cases against p2p sites, they acheive their aims purely through bulling and while it my be unpleasant, they will continue such tactics until someone stands up to them as it gets the sites closed without the costs and high risk of failure associated with a court case.

    While there is no evidence of commercial counterfeiting or profiteering, The fund raising not being a condition of entry to the site and on a scale commensurate with paying hosting costs, it hardly paints the Admin as a ‘Mr Big’.

    I would certainly make sure of a witness, preferably a solicitor be present when they return his belongings as they will undoubtably be trashed.

    One thing that bugs me about rights owners attitudes to p2p. and their intentional fuzzying the water between p2p and counterfeiting. P2P actually reduces couterfeiting. If you consider people that buy counterfeit fall into 2 groups. Those that would not buy the legal product for whatever reason (price,availability,censorship,DRM) and those that are being duped by counerfeiters thinking it is the ‘official’ product. It is only the latter group that equate to lost sales.

    as for FACT, they have their roots in the counterfeiting and license enforcement of business applications (though they have expanded). Their main role used to be to ensure corporate/commercial companies complied with licensing.

    While FACT jump up and down about p2p of business apps, that are largely (almost entirely) for personal use. Trying to equate a download to a lost sale in these cases is not only perverse (a domestic user would never pay corporate prices). The reverse is actually true. The people most likely to download (and use) the apps are techies/hobbyists. the illicit copies enable home users to gain experience and learn the apps. The increased awareness and ability of (potential) employees to exploit the apps would if anything increase sales.

  • markie

    FACT = (F**king Asshole C**t Terds) about sums up what they are.

    • Anonymous

      Nice, you came very close to what I have always called them in private.

      Namely… F**king Assholes C**ts & Tossers.

      Now it has gone public. Yes easy to abuse their name.

      Oh and fuck them.

  • Anonymoose

    It’s pretty amazing, what people can do with money… the only reason these FACT guys were allowed to raid his home was because of money. Almost like that Ryan Giggs case… hell, if you got enough money, you could set the law yourself.

    It is an outrageously corrupt system.

  • Anonymoose

    It’s pretty amazing, what people can do with money… the only reason these FACT guys were allowed to raid his home was because of money. Almost like that Ryan Giggs case… hell, if you got enough money, you could set the law yourself.

    It is an outrageously corrupt system.

  • Guest

    It is a fact that FACT is fascist.

  • Anonymous

    So where is the outrage of the people in the UK about how the police and justice system gets abused? So this can stop and everyone can be treated fair if they are accused of something. I would have been all over the media.

    • Jon7272

      unfortunately it doesnt get out in the media and the majority of people are to selfish to care. its not happening to them so they dont worry. sux really

  • Woo

    so what right did FACT have to enter his home, take his stuff (without being watched as to what they were taking and being made to sign that they had taken it) and actually keep it? apparently, no warrant either. shows the sort of justice that is now dished out in the UK. private companies being given the rights of the police along with the powers. there will be no court case so FACT should then be taken to court and made to pay for the equipment taken, any damage done to it and the home were the guy lived along with compensation for all the grief they have caused. wankers!

    • Anonymous

      I expect there was a search and seizure warrant.

      If FACT can easily fool the Police with technical incompetence and lies then to fool a judge into issuing a warrant is even easier.

      • BenniWest

        Officers or Representatives of FACT have no right to enter your home even if the police are present unless you have failed to respond to civil/criminal case where court bailiffs have been assigned …. even then only officers of the court may enter with Court warrant and IF this is the case the Police will only attend to enforce…not to search …. if this is criminal the police and i stress only the police or OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES are allowed to attend and search your property OTHER AGENCIES example HRMC( who have their own rights and powers of search) either way FACT are only advisory to the CPS… OK SO YES they can be assigned under certain and I quote ‘exceptional’ circumstances, however this ruling is rarely used except in cases which are specialist(I guess they would qualify) but even then if they have entered without ‘exceptional’ circumstances then a judge will do no wore than question the legality and throw it out…..trust me

        • BenniWest

          Just incase your wondering the police have to express to the judge whilst obtaining a warrant why FACT are needed for any search…example being they can identify a hard drive or counterfeit goods where the police search team are all blind or stupid and can’t… hence the rarely used ruling part

        • Anonymous

          This may all be nice information but on my own business raid search and seizure warrant (issued under a false copyright fraud claim) then a senior member of FACT was court assigned as a “technical expert” to attend the raid. The guy even stapled his own business card to the warrant.

          He mostly spent his time asking questions with a few “take that and them”.

          I cant say I have ever questioned his legal right to be there when it was clearly stated on the search and seizure warrant. Advise is always welcomed.

  • getoffayaweebassa

    the authorities are ignorant, let us keep them that way, and let them think we are the Dumbo’s. the masses are rising, Barcelona this week, London/Paris/Koln? soon. We have to live be the rules they set, it is time we started taking a proactive part in that process, mismanaged laws never stand the test of time,

    • BenniWest

      “mismanaged laws never stand the test of time” = TRUE
      “the authorities are ignorant” = FALSE

      • guest

        “the authorities are ignorant”
        they turn a blind eye when it comes to money

  • Piracy4Ever

    This is nauseating info.

    I feel raped just reading this article. That a company was allowed to confiscate computer and other media. I have lots of personal information stored on my computer; such as details about my health, poetry, letters and so on.

    I would feel deeply violated to find out that a private profiteering scum company was granted access to my personal work and files. I hope they all rot in hell where they belong.

    I try to protect myself by using encryption, but that won’t work if the fascists – in lack of evidence – decides to do it the Swedish way by planting evidence. (We even have a term for this in Sweden – the EVIDENCE MACHINE).

    Thanx and keep on sharing.

  • DarknezzMadnezz

    Let them come to my place and close down my severs… Ill ask them why my trial over my work related accident seems to take less priority then this bullshit.

  • DTR

    djgrr is a real life good friend of mine and used to fix up my ratio whenever i asked, the IRC was really good as i got some really good invites to other torrent sites after it went down. Sad days these were though.

  • DTR

    djgrr is a real life good friend of mine and used to fix up my ratio whenever i asked, the IRC was really good as i got some really good invites to other torrent sites after it went down. Sad days these were though.

  • Fuckyou

    one of the scenes most successful sites? LOL IS THIS A JOKE??? The scene would never be caught dead on p2p shit sites

    • Tinpot

      He’s referring to the private tracker scene, not ‘The Scene’ – /sigh/

  • Dave

    what exactly is copyright theft makes no literal sense at all is this the wet dreams of copyright extremists

  • Mike

    FACT a foundation hahahahahahah those guys are running a protection racket on the media empires.

    That lot of crooks don’t care about file sharing. They care about MONEY MONEY MONEY. They are bunch of middle aged lawyers trying to make MONEY on the side. Sadly there is a lot of them going about now.

    They go out to the big media empires and say oh please sir I am a good watch dog I will go out and stop all the bad things in the world for you. We use the word foundation in our name as it gives the public confidence you know. We are all above board look we have an office and a web site you know. Look our directors have law degrees.

    They then get MONEY MONEY MONEY get some headlines to use in the next begging round etc. Their one big problem is if another groups actually gets prosecutions they will loose their donations so they need to at least try. Ironic aye like BT they need donations to survive.

    The use of the word foundation I am not sure why they did that as it may be breaking the law. That word is reserved for charities so people cannot mislead the public. So if they are not a charity with a number they are at risk of legal action. Not to mention if they are registered what is charitable about their work for the public? Not much. Again legal action. My bet is they are and use that status to avoid taxation on the donations which they then safely tuck away in bank accounts for “wages” and “expenses”. If they are a charity you can ask for their accounts. If you see questionable stuff you can again sue them.

    They are so messed up I don’t know were to begin. They break the law and gamble know body has the MONEY to go after them. As I say a bloody fine protection racket they have going there.

  • DMCA

    leave the Warez World,Get a Real Work…

    • Anonymous

      Nice grammar, you should have stayed in school a little longer.

  • Neotoasty

    Sickening. I beg to ask, why are they simply taking one’s money just out in the open? I bet one of those FACT bastards stuck it right in his wallet while nobody was looking.

    The only job these guys are doing good, is discouraging consumers to buy their products. Each and every day. Good job, assholes, you’re never going to see another penny again.

    • Anonymous

      What i find even more sickening is that he had to sign them a permission to go through his finances to get his money and his phone back. I would have broken his jaw for pulling a stunt like that.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HSWXH6GWMXKOH3JRUQJGW6BDE4 Rob

    More weak sauce

  • Anonymous

    Policemen obeying their superiors without question isn’t necessarily a bad thing. However, I do wonder why an employee from some random media company is considered a “superior”.
    Can anyone waltz into a police station, introduce themself as an “investigator”, demand arbitrary arrests, and actually get them? That’d be amusing. The pinnacle of social engineering, invented by people that have no understanding of computers.

    Of course, in reality it’s probably just plain, everyday bribery. Oh well.

    • Anonymous

      Oh you hit the nail on the head there.

      FACT like to employ ex-Police officers for their knowledge of the law and how to abuse it. Usually but not always from the fraud squad.

      These employees can then get buddy-buddy with their still serving Police friends.

      After they have wormed their way in FACT then establish themselves like their own Police force. They head investigations, take charge of seized property, and conduct Police interviews.

      The Police should obviously expell these parasites and conduct independent investigations.

      At least criminal court cases are outside FACT’s control thanks to the CPS but all but asserting someone makes the Police FACT’s bitches.

  • Oxy

    Judge used his position to oppress people.
    Not fair ;(

    • Anonymous

      More like they used him and made a fool of him.

  • guest

    Anybody have any proof of these ‘claims?’

    They are nothing more then weak claims at the moment…

  • Bill Hicks

    Only let an official overseer keep you down and march into your home.
    Not just anybody who has a lot of money.

  • townie2

    FACT should not have been allowed in the house, or the interrogation, they are NOT Peace Officers or Officers of the Court, thus as private citizens, are not covered by the search warrant. they could have been told if they take one step inside your house you would charge them with illegal trespassing. too bad you never thought of calling a lawyer before letting them all in, and for the interrogation, your rights were violated badly.

    • Anonymous

      Unfortunately in that idea a senior member of FACT is usually stated in the search warrant as authorised to assist the raid as a “technical expert”. I know this as a fact when I still have my business raid search warrant here.

      Following details I heard says only the Police can seize items and not FACT.

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        I so feel your pain V0, and gain strength from the fact that you post so regularly with so many helpful comments and points of advice based on your experience of being as VIOLATED as all those involved in the ScT, Filesoup, etc debacle’s.

        This harassment MUST cease, with a change in the law of copywrong to allow non-commercial filesharers to share freely and without threat or hindrance.

        We ALL MUST write to our MP to moan at Ed Vaizey in the DCMS (Dept for Culture, Media & Sport) to demand a change in the law and cite paragraph 8.45 of the recent Hargreaves’ Report to assist in your demand.

  • Haxor

    whoever i am i told them to keep tracker up while i finished a download and LOL they did….guess who ever i am , i am important enough to keep happy….makes ya wonder what payback comes hollywoods way isn’t all being built up for a reason.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

    Can FACT and /or the police be sued for any of this? Or are we heading towards the law of the jungle, you know, dark alley, pool of blood…
    I hope not, but as Tunisians, Egyptians and others have shown, there comes a point where the people don’t just SAY, ‘F*ck You’. They take to the streets and topple governments.

    • Anonymous

      FACT can be sued for any damages caused. Legal aid is available to those that cant afford it.

      • BenniWest

        True and in this case if the FACTs (excuse the pun) are right then compo is assured

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Yes they can, but only via a lawyer and probably after a very lengthy, time-consuming and nerve-racking process of complaint to the Police Complaints Commission is exhausted :(

      But the short answer is (technically) YES!

  • Ilawrencefisch

    What Feeling was doing was definitely wrong. It’s copyright infringement and he knew it. Scenetorrents was definitely NOT about sharing public domainn material.

    While it seems like FACT guided the police, it seemed necessary since the police were so clueless about the issues themselves.

    • Anonymous

      You can question what Feeling was doing. You are no judge and no judge has sentenced him so he is just a suspect. Sharing material that is not in the public domain is not a crime (criminal court), it can be an infringement in a copyright case (civil court). And the laws may vary between countries. But that does not allow the police or FACT to go outside of the rules for investigation and obtaining evidence. Whatever they have from his house is useless as evidence now as it has been in the custody of FACT and not the police.

      You are quick to judge for someone with so little understanding of the law or the technology…

  • BenniWest

    so let me get this straight… if i run a site that may or may not link to copywrited material i can expect to get arrested and interviewed by someone other than the police and cps…..hmmmmm i wonder how my brief would take this….. he would laugh these clowns out of court….I’m sorry but clearly your man here doesn’t know squat about the UK legal system, if he or his brief did this wouldn’t of come so far and even if they ‘did’ manage a raid this could of been sorted within weeks rather than what is looking like ‘years’ Sorry TorrentFreak I wonder about the validity of this article because I have knowledge in this area and the facts just don’t add up, I appreciate that journalistic privilege may be used but seriously….? I know UK law and if this is true, perhaps I need to get in contact with this guy????
    #confused

    • Xult

      It is dragging out so long because even if the CPS do not proceed with the case.
      FACT have succeeded in removing a site.
      Ones brief can be the best in the world.
      But once the wheels of “justice” start grinding.
      Ones brief can only respond as and when whatever happens!
      Most likely these fellows will be exonerated.
      I hope they will.
      But the damage as been done and FACT have won.
      FACT do not need a guikty verdict.
      The site and admins are out of action!

      A poor state of affairs.

      • BenniWest

        granted…. what your saying is true, and if the goal was to disrupt then goal achieved, Ones brief CAN be the best in the world… or not, but given the circumstances outlined in this report, it just seems weird to me the facts given, timescale is of great importance, I’ve had stuff held and near on a year just wouldn’t happen even if the police held off your bail pending charge even a legal aid brief would pick up on ANY inconsistencies even to the point of pursuing them .. if you get no reply then easy application to local magistrate for review will either bring a swift all charges dropped or well see you there.. if its a see you there, you get a court date within a ‘reasonable’ time and the Police and CPS have to express why the evidence needs to be retained without charge to the individual …which i am reliably informed is never granted so legally this is a HUGE conundrum i could go on but dont want to bore you…good point though……

  • BenniWest

    reading through this again now

    but Feeling was required to sign documents granting access to his bank accounts.

    no sorry TF #badjob

  • BenniWest

    reading through this again now

    but Feeling was required to sign documents granting access to his bank accounts.

    no sorry TF #badjob

  • Joe-is-a-spass

    The trust has been lost for FACT, but no one will stop them from changing to another retarded name and relocate to a new place with a new “head of the organization”.

    These mentally challenged anti-piracy organizations need to stop using taxpayers money for useless sh#t, when there are bigger and badder crimes to fight for the DCI and CPS, i.e. drug dealing on estates and fraudulent transactions.

    Fuck you FACT

  • AnarchyNow

    The FACT gestapo hasn’t failed, they managed to get this moron to shut the site down using typical terrorist techniques (and all that with tax-payer money), and it’s all that counts for them, even if there’s no _expensive_ trial at the end, trials won or lost, always end making a bad opinion for them. All they want is to SCARE people to have them behave as they like, and coward, ball-less british/american are so easy to scare (kill the fucking queen and her inbred degenerated family instead of wanking on a fucking marriage or kill D$K like Ben Laden!!!).

    Some simple rules to run an underground website (non exhaustive, but I’ve rarely seen those)
    - NEVER EVER get a host in Europe, even less in the U$A (you’ve heard the U$ tyrannic government will actually _steal_ your domains and servers)
    - don’t ask for “donations”, because it’s a massive lever to get you into “money laundry” (and is what’s bringing most of p2p sites down anyway) and it’s making a bad impression that you’re just there whining for money, not really free sharing. Also, if you could stop bothering people about “ratios” that would only work in an ideal world where everybody has at least a symmetric 100Mb Internet connexion
    - use strong encryption on everything, they don’t like that too

  • Anon

    So why didn’t they just give back the money?.

  • Whatever

    “FACT officers” ???

    Are they considered police now ? Does the UK allow private persons to break into other peoples homes ? Is the police authorized to hold a party in someones house based on a warrant (maybe they should invite their wifes and kids there) ?

    One can assume that the police will have access to his house based on a warrent but that does not mean that the police can let anyone else in. So wasn’t denying the pseudo officers (from FACT) a possibility or reporting unauthorized entry of strangers to the police at his house (who then must be arrested) ? Can he still report/sue them ?

    So many questions…

    BTW: I’ve never heard of any private persons being allowed to even search a real criminals house to check for their own property (and destroying things in the process). Why does the MAFIAA get any special treatment from the police for something that isn’t even a crime. Is the police, who obviously had some kind of education in the field of policing, that daft ?

  • Paypal

    torrentfreak need to write tutorial how to make paypal accout using fake info to pay for server and seedbox

    • Anonymous

      I can do that one when I have been abusing PayPal for years for one reason or another. Usually in trying to link in a Euro bank account which cant be done on a UK account.

      First step is to open an account under a false name and address. Easy to do but the key is an account with an available send and receive balance without needing card or address verify.

      Their account rules vary by country so open and close accounts until you find the right country.

      Next up is to sell something to someone and have them pay you by PayPal without knowing your real name and address either. They get their item and you get anonymous account funds.

      Then you can spend it on any PayPal supporting service.

      That will be fine until you try to exceed the set limits.

      I doubt TF would do a guide but you never know.

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  • FeelingSUCKS

    Feeling is a faggot and this story is all made up with no proof whatsoever to back it up. He just wanted the money.

    • Anon

      I know of another site this has happened to but the admins are keeping it running

  • RIAAtarded

    I’m not sure about the UK but how is FACT taking possession of hardware which is evidence in a criminal case? Our legal system is based on theirs and here we have a cyber crimes division which is a lot more competent then FACT. Them seizing anything breaks the chain of custody and why is a group with a vested interest in a guilty verdict allowed to collect evidence in the first place. In theory the justice system is a pursuit of the truth, woman blindfolded holding a set of scales ring a bell. Only thing I see so far is the blindfold.

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  • townie2

    so, let me see if i have this right, FACT is the accuser (plaintiff), but they are allowed in the defendants home to help look for evidence, secure evidence, and be in on the interrogation? wouldn’t be hard to fool around with evidence there now would it? maybe even plant some, not to mention what he hears in the interrogation that could help the prosecution. shit, you Brits have a totally f***ed up justice system.

    • Anonymous

      FACT has some limitations to ensure untampered evidence. They are not allowed to seize items in a raid when only the Police can do that. A list of seized items are left with the home owner. Then FACT are not allowed to touch the original HDDs which is why in the first month they have them independently cloned and examined for evidence.

  • townie2

    seems to me the point is that FACT should not even be there in the first place.

  • RedCrow

    Will ANYBODY go after FACT for racketteering, PLEASE ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=605550913 Simon Brown

    Under what law does it say that FACT can hold someones property? What legal authority are they? What a joke.

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