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Some Cheap Russian Music Sites Have Pirate Suppliers

Sites selling cheap MP3s have been around for many years and the music industry has long complained that they operate illegally. In Russia, where many originate, they see the legal angle somewhat differently, arguing that on home soil they are entirely legal. Whatever the truth, some of these sites appear to have interesting ‘wholesale’ suppliers.

Although they’ve been around for a decade or more, Russian music download sites still come as a surprise to those encountering them for the first time.

Apart from having some of the most extensive music libraries on the planet, they are ridiculously cheap. As the screenshot below of the current US #1 album from John Mayer shows, each track is being offered on the Russian site called ‘LegalSounds‘ for a little above give-away prices. A whole album costs just over a dollar.

Legalsounds1

These music download sites are perhaps understandably a thorn in the side of the big record labels – when they offer a track for 9 cents they clearly aren’t playing by the same rules as iTunes for example.

These sites counter by maintaining that they operate legally under Russian law as they pay the necessary fees to a local collecting society.

LegalInfo

For the purposes of this post we won’t concern ourselves too much with the legal issues, but rather where these sites are getting their music from. Something tells us it’s not coming from the labels, and here’s why.

When music is released unofficially online, audio filenames are formatted in a certain way.

The_Wideboys-Kiss_Bass_Mix-SAT-27-05-2012-1KING

The first part is the name of the artist, the second the title of the album, track or performance, the third denotes the source (in this case satellite – SAT), then the date, and the last section gives the name of the piracy group who released it online.

Of course, apart from the name of the artist and the album, none of these descriptors appear in music released on official sites – unless they’re Russian, that is. From searches done on some of these Russian music stores it’s absolutely clear that they’re ripping music from both torrent and Scene topsites.

The group 1KING shown in the random release above are well-known online for releasing unofficial rips of radio shows, yet bizarrely a few of their releases are available on sites such as LegalSounds.

So what about other terms associated with unofficial/pirate releases?

When a warez group release some music onto a topsite but fail to meet some Scene criteria by breaking rules, other groups can come along with a better version – a so-called ‘PROPER’. They put this word in the description of the track to show the fact. A search for this term on our trusty music site shows dozens of ‘PROPER’ releases. You won’t find those on iTunes.

The word ‘ADVANCE’, which could be used to denote an early leaked copy of an album, would only be used in an unauthorized track filename. Yet here are plenty of tracks, apparently advertising the face that they were being sold before they came out officially. Nearly as many appear if we search for the term ‘BOOTLEG‘.

But when it comes to selling music, even at rock-bottom prices, some of these sites will sell anyone’s, even when its normally free. They’re currently selling Dan Bull’s album ‘Safe’ in low quality 128Kbps, even though Dan gives it away to any fan.

Legaldan

Other artists trying to build an audience by giving away stuff for free include Ophed on the Etched Trauma netlabel. They also found their music on Russian music sites with a price tag attached.

“I understand them selling Beatles or Springsteen but I wonder what on earth they were thinking ripping off a small Greek Netlabel and a Québécois artist,” the label said in a comment.

The answer is probably “they didn’t actually mean to,” as this very odd final example shows.

Without going into huge detail, Scene groups often ‘discuss’ things between each other via news releases on their topsite servers. These releases mostly take the form of short text (NFO) files, but every now and again they take a more unusual format.

In 2010, there were presumptions that a Scene release group called DV8 had changed their name to SiRE. It wasn’t true, they were different groups, but to highlight the fact someone took a music track by some random artist, gave it an interesting title, and released it on a Scene topsite to put the incorrect rumor to rest once and for all.

As can be seen from the screenshot from LegalSounds below, the message spread a little further than first expected – and it’s now worth 9 cents.

SiREDV8

So, if LegalSounds paid the licensing fee for this release, who got the money?

Not Lolfag, that’s guaranteed.

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  • Master

    The real value of music.

    • Anyone

      exactly
      since there are no costs for packaging and no local stores to be paid, $10 for an album is unreasonable
      $1 sounds much more realistic

      • Anonymous

        my buddy’s sister-in-law made $18108 a month ago. she worrks on the internet and bought a $525400 condo. All she did was get blessed and put into action the instructions given on this website ===>> ?????? http://enternet-Job.blogspot.com

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/5CXEXWPXSXEICQUY4KV5WRZ65M Hello

        $1 is way too much. I want it for 1¢. That’s what music is worth to me now. 1¢. For a discography. Maybe for the output of a label. Then, I want them to personally write me a letter thanking me profusely for paying them 1¢.

        • Fredrika

          > “That’s what music is worth to me now.”

          Music in itself has no value, what has value is the production of music, the performance of music, goods and services as in copies or streaming, or the act of enjoying music, but the latter isn’t something you can buy or pay for, and therefore value in money. Digital copies, which today can be manufactured for free indefinitely, has no economical value. Basic economics.

        • http://nowtweet.it/2kbq Carla C. Eich

          for free indefinitely, has no economical value. Basic economics. http://SpecialWork4.notlong.com

        • Anonymous

          my roomate’s ex-wife brought home $19224 the previous month. she is making income on the internet and moved in a $491500 condo. All she did was get lucky and try the instructions laid out on this web page===>> ?????? http://enternet-Job.blogspot.com

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/4ODCWSSENP3QBGZ55BIO3QGZDA Polly

          like Karen implied I didn’t know that anyone able to profit $5711 in a few weeks on the computer. did you see this page ===> <a href="http://goo.gl/DqlMH”>LazyCash38.com

        • yello

          i have nothing against that. if you can sell it, do it. if people cant do what you can do, profit from it, if others cannot get music for free, and are willing to pay for what you can do for free. do it

        • Eyegore

          Money is a way of quantifying the value of something that doesn’t necessarily have an inherent value. (Time, skill, imagination)

          It’s not perfect, but it’s the system the rest of the world uses. It allows us to use intangible human characteristics to get rent, food and fuel.

          How else do we reward the people whose creativity makes our lives enjoyable? I’d much rather my favorite musicians and film makers made music and films instead of trying to make ends meet in a McDonald’s kitchen.

          This is what makes the major labels so appealing – an up-front cheque, the promise to be free from daily hardships and being able to just make music.

          We can easily argue the economics of digital distribution, but someone needs to pay the fixed costs of creativity that originate  – and I’ll give you a clue: it’s us or them.

          If it’s us, we can pay the creators directly, a tiny amount each, paying them direct rather than supporting the big media corporations. But we need to get past this weird ‘fun has no value’ fallacy –

          Creativity is the most precious thing on the planet!

          Isn’t that why we’re trying to smash the cartels that constrain it?

        • Anonymous

          my buddy’s mother got paid $21508 the previous week. she is making money on the internet and bought a $386500 house. All she did was get fortunate and put into work the instructions explained on this web site===>> ?????? http://workoverenternet.blogspot.com

        • Anonymous

          my friend’s aunt brought home $17621 last month. she gets paid on the internet and bought a $566900 condo. All she did was get blessed and work up the guide revealed on this web site===>> ?????? http://enternet-work.blogspot.com

        • Anonymous

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    • Anyone

      don’t edit your post after I replied to it ;)

      • Master

        What edit? Muhahahaha

    • http://www.facebook.com/newton.antony Newton Antony

      its there still to cover massive Server fees, its legal is russia then f–k it why are people argueing about where its coming from and how its used

      • Guest

        “massive server fees” for a 128kbps song such as that Dan Bull song server fees are cheap, extremely cheap.

        A website such as legalsounds could be easily ran purely from ads but no, it gains massive profits from selling other peoples work (even artists which don’t even sell there music but give it out for free).

        If you are ignorant enough to think a server costs an extreme amount of money for hosting mp3s (to the point they have to sell the music) then you are seriously mistaken.

        • Jojo


          it gains massive profits from selling other peoples work ” pretty simplistic and lacking context 

    • Fredrika

      > “I guess that’s the real value of music, but selling free stuff?”

      They are not selling stuff, they are selling a service, the service of at high speed transferring information that you use to manufacture physical copies on your hard drive. The price of theri service costs money regardless of what services are given away for free on other sites. It’s the same thing as when Trent Raznor’s music was sold at Amazon at the same time as he offered torrents indexing it freely on his site. That one retailer chooses to give it away for free does not mean that all others have to or does.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/5CXEXWPXSXEICQUY4KV5WRZ65M Hello

        A file isn’t stuff? C’mon Fredrika, even you…in your neverending propagandist blundering…can see that. No?

        • Anyone

          a file is just information
          for me “stuff” has to be physical, but maybe I’m just too old ;)

        • Fredrika

          > “A file isn’t stuff?”

          A file as in a copy is indeed stuff, and the copy is what you manufacture with your computer on your harddrive, according to the information that is transferred to you. The transference of information or one’s and zero’s however does not constitute stuff, any more than what someone flashing you Morse code with a flash-light constitutes stuff. Transference of information, wheter it’s done by the postman or by one’s and zero’s constitute a service.

          > “..in your neverending propagandist blundering..”

          Since when is pointing out hard facts to rebut false propaganda claims called propaganda? Do you not know what the word means? I guess since you do not understand the difference between a service and stuff anything is possible.

        • Guest

          Fredrika is a bot which was created to spread all sorts of bullshit. Ignore it’s comments.

        • Afrikaner

          When these Russian site sell free shit, its called “service”. When the labels sell the same shit, they are not offering any service and don’t deserve any money. Nice!

        • OtherGuest

          @Guest: The “bullshit” is far more coherent and reasonable than what IP shills spout. Did you not get your special candy ration from PelouzeTF under the special desk?

        • OtherGuest

          >When these Russian site sell free shit, its called “service”. When the
          labels sell the same shit, they are not offering any service and don’t
          deserve any money. Nice!

          Did you consider possibilities that the free shit may not be available in countries due to refusal to do business plans with said countries?

          At the end of the day the labels will not see any money. Regardless if people get it from non-label sites for a cost, or if people download them from free sources, or if people just choose to go without.

          By the way, the same labels also think that if you live in a country that they don’t provide services to, you’re a loser. Go ahead, line up with Neostyles, Anon and WillaLavie under PelouzeTF’s special desk for your candy ration.

      • Techanon

        You might call it a service, I call it a ripoff. 
        Be proud of buying music from someone who ripps from scene sites and torrent files instead of supporting the artist who made the music.

        • Fredrika

          > “You might call it a service, I call it a ripoff.”

          One does not exclude the other. That it is a service is a logical fact, not my personal opinion. But obviously people could provide arguments for why the service is indeed a ripoff.

          > “Be proud of buying music from someone who ripps from scene sites and torrent files instead of supporting the artist who made the music.”

          Again one does not exclude the other. All the Russian on-line stores pay licensing fees to Roms, which in turn can be forwarded to the artists, but i know in the past several non-Russian collecting agencies has refused to accept the money from Roms, seemingly holding some principles as more important than distributing money to the artists they claim they represent.

        • Jojo

          not sure I understand that in light of the overall context- 
          My personal beef is with the fact that they engaged in illegal payola for decades (cash, drugs, and prostitutes) in order to create demand for a central type of music. That greatly damaged regional music forms and hurt local cultures throughout America and the world. Music is a central component to a culture and regional cultures were greatly damages by the suppression of regional music forms. The purpose of copyright is to create better quality products not to protect an artist’s property rights, the music industry combined a misuse of copyright with a payola system to devastate local and regional cultures. Within the whole context your assertion is just absurd!

    • Guest

      I think it’s actually good. Just from searching through, i’ll happily pay up. They have some stuff which is virtually nonexistent by other means.
      I challenge for you guys, find a working torrent or other working source for fripSide. I’ve spent months with no luck. Legalsounds sounds good right now.

      • Guest

        Haha took me all of 5 seconds to find said artist on what

      • Master

        Use bitsnoop.

      • Maurisegetsapienipsum

         jpopsuki, tokyotosho and waffles have a lot of fripSide on them, 4chan’s /rs/ and filestube have a few results too.

        If you think that was hard to find go look for (these are just off the top of my head, don’t make me consult the .txt ;) :

        -Busou/CosmoP’s music, not including Youtube/nico rips.

        - A non-transcoded lossless version of Sound Horizon’s Chronicle (I /would/ pay for even a pirated version of that considering I think the original CDs were either lossy or banished to another plane).

        - More than one album of Haya Band (Amazon US is out of stock of their CD(s) and I can’t find downloads anywhere
        -Daiqing Tana & Haya Band’s Migration in lossless would also be nice as I can’t find anywhere to buy that CD either but I would say I haven’t searched enough yet.

        -Yousei Teikoku’s Peach/Momo albums in lossless.

        -In a non-piracy related note: What the hell happened to Suilen? Did they just quit making music together? Did something happen to them due to the 2011 earthquake in Japan or what?

        If I knew Japanese, Mongolian or Chinese it’d probably make my search a lot easier, as would using PerfectDark, Share and whatever p2p networks other countries use. My point is months are nothing, try years. It’s clear I couldn’t live without the internet.

        If anyone has any information on anything I’ve listed I’d absolutely love to hear from you, email should be in the name or something, or you can reply here I guess.

        • Maurisegetsapienipsum

           Actually my point was don’t pay sleazy websites for pirated music they downloaded from someone else for free, it’s dumb and makes my skin itch more than spending too much time searching whether a woman named Shakuyaku still exists and finding nothing but a unintelligibly google-translated 2chan thread.

        • Guest

          jpopsuki is invite only, tokyotosho i have tried, waffles? lol 4chan, filestube nope because all the torrents are dead or they were on megaupload. :’(
          I’ve tried searching for Yousei Teikoku’s Peach/Momo albums in lossless too, i found the mp3s which were really hard to find and discs are impossible to get if you don’t speak japanese.

        • Anon
    • Guest
  • Me

    Show me a human not being a criminal.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

      I’m with ya on that, but I also consider being human as a crime.

      • FreeBSD

        so to eliminate crime, make like Judge Death?

    • FreeBSD

      A dead human? 
      Naaah, even in that state they are a public health hazard and/or litter.

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  • Anonymous

    i dont know, nor do i care, whether these sites are legal or not. what i am waiting to see is how quick ICE takes the sites down (it thinks it has jurisdiction world wide, doesn’t it?) and then how quick one or more of the US law enforcement agencies execute a raid on the admin(s) running one of the sites, arrest him/them, confiscate the servers and/or hdds, any and all monies in any and all bank accounts, including any/all assets, then do their best to file false charges and prevent those arrested from having access to any information to enable a defense. i wonder what sort of lengths they would then go to to extradite those people and exactly how far the Russian government would let them get? i wonder how much clout the US entertainment industries or organisations like BREIN have in Russia? i somehow think this wont happen, considering that, unlike eg the EU, Russia is not a country that will let the USA do as it wants!

    • Fredrika

      > “i dont know, nor do i care, whether these sites are legal or not.”

      The relevant judicial system have on several occasions found them to be completely legal.

      > “..what i am waiting to see is how quick ICE takes the sites down..”

      It won’t happen. These sites have been up for several years. Russia out of political reasons or what you wanna call it allowed the domain AllOfMP3 to be shut down, which had become quite popular internationally back in the days. But that was it. After that Russia seems to have said, no, you do not touch any of our other legal sites, and Riaa seems to have quietly accepted that..

      • Anonymous

         my reference to take downs by ICE was meant to be a piss take, given that the US thinks it can do what it likes, where it likes

    • All Hail Our Russian Overlords

      How much clout the US entertainment industries and organisations have in Russia? Um, how much clout has the USA had in Russia for the last 70 years? Exactly fuck all LOL!

      Unlike the EUSA and the UK, they wont bend over and ask how far when told to spread their butt cheeks by the US. Mind you, Russia is only slightly more corrupt than the states, so they could have a way in if they threw enough cash at the right person. But then again they are just as likely to laugh and say no thanks, fuck the US!!

      Long live the Russian attitude, someone needs to carry the candle of the free internet, even if for the wrong reasons!

      • FreeBSD

        All Hail indeed.
        I wonder where Medvedev and Putin get their tracks.

  • chingonaso

    >says bad site is bad
    >still has backlinks to the site
    >unintended hypocrisy to its finest

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  • ofProto

    Selling 128 kbps music? How low can someone go. 

    • theonlyone

       True. Thats like selling turds.

      • Anyone

        people are buying manure

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  • US-Gov-Sucks

    Well hasn’t it been proven that collection agencies will collect fee’s from any artist whether or not they are members?

    That being said, this sites are probably run by bots with little over sight.
    -Scan a site for mp3.
    -Run a search on artist and album title
    -Assign price based on rating

    • Anon99

      More likely they just grab every release that gets PRE’ed, automatically. 

      This article kinda shows that to be the case, as they have also grabbed scene notices that were pre’ed

  • Zippin2

    hmm many of these sites around, won’t touch them even for 9cents….and when youcan get it for free why pay? only the smaller labels get my money and any other music artist who is not signed up to the bigger ones…they just plain greedy…

    • Guest

       These sites would appeal more to people who are not capable of downloading for “free” using torrents and nntp, even though its a lot simpler these days.

  • K Anon

    http://www.legalsounds.com/download-mp3/eurobeat-brony/artist_323499

    Fun fact: Eurobeat Brony is a well-regarded fan artist who not only distributes his music gratis, but pays a non-trivial amount to BandCamp to keep it that way.

    Fuck this site. I don’t think they are scanning BandCamp, since many queries I’ve tried of other free artists on there and other sites such as the Internet Archive yielded nothing. I speculate they are scanning certain forums that are not blacklisting their bot IPs.

  • harry krishna

    i treat these sites as a resource.  it they have something i’m looking for, i know to dig deeper.  i’ll do without before i’ll pay $.09

  • FreeBSD

    “apparently advertising the face that they were being sold”. the face?

  • Theborisedu
    • Guest

      Marketing sham. It says it’s for free but you have to put funds into your account. If I remember correctly it’s 25 euros or maybe it was 5 euros. you have to put into your account. Once they get this money you can download it for “free”.

  • Anon12

    Well if someone buys from this site, will this be considered legal purchase?

  • https://profiles.google.com/112465978330780138853 Ryoku

    I’m sure every one looks at the Russian
    frontier of copyright infringement with a slight wince. I’m not
    saying its completely a bad thing but there defiantly needs to be
    some accountability for international copyright within that country.
    THEY are the reason that laws like the DMCA where written into law
    and while they are wonderful in theory they are used against the
    wrong people in reality; there is no way to prosecute these
    syndicates because its not illegal where they come from short of
    extraordinary rendition.

    I wouldn’t have such a problem with
    businesses like this popping up if the money they made actually went
    to the people who it was supposed to. Like the oligarchs of American
    and EU copyright industry hording property rights and singing the
    song that they are only out to preserve the artists way of life;
    there is just something wrong with the distribution of wealth. At
    least in western nations that money trickles down to nickels and
    pennies to artists who sign away their soul. In Russia its only going
    to the mafioso and syndicates who are setting up these rings that are
    flying the Russian standard.

    Don’t get me wrong this comment isn’t
    saying we should break down the doors of the Russian government and
    demand they hold these cyber looters accountable but at the same time
    there are some lessons that actual property owners could learn from
    Russia to generate good business with their customers. While Russia
    is saying its ok to steal from the rest of the world they don’t
    impose artificial release dates on content and in fact often DESTROY
    them by taking advantage of the SCENE as a vehicle for per-release distribution.

    I’m sure amongst the naive its a god
    send for the financially difficult though I’ll never use one of these
    services because even amongst cough legitimate Russian
    services there are instances of identity theft, at least in the
    western world they put on their best troll face and give a press
    conference “Lol guyz our shiz was hacked, they haz your card
    numbaz!” and it disappears into the bylines, if you fall for one of
    the Russian scams you’d be lucky to find your paycheck in your bank
    account three minuets after it deposits. Its just how the system
    works

    I think what we can agree on is that
    the world is filled with crooks and criminals. Crooks use the law to
    keep a big piece of the pie for themselves while criminals ignore the
    law and for what ever reason (ignorance or corruption) the law
    ignores them. Russia has a broad gray line of which side of the coin
    they are sheltering…

  • NewClear

    In Soviet Russia, music listens to you

  • mwhahaha

    People profiteering from piracy?

    You mean like those Megupload guys?

    Can we expect you to start cheerleading for these sites too?

    • Anonymous

       fuck off riaa puppet

  • http://twitter.com/ReeceIsSoCool Reece Jones

    First off, I work in the music industry and I support piracy in all it’s forms, it’s a great source of inspiration for the majority of people who can’t afford the content and provides good exposure for many artists. I torrent music/tv/software lots and always will. I hate the RIAA and the BPI, but musicians and the like do need to make the profit to make what they are doing worthwhile, and websites like this are pretty low. Profiteering on content that hasn’t been created by you is wrong, which is what major labels pretty much do aswell as this website. Prices on iTunes need to decrease, but if you can remember to support the creators of the pirated material your using but not the greedy major record labels!

    • theonlyone

       Sounds as if you have two standards by which you live your life.
      1. “I torrent music/tv/software lots and always will. I hate the RIAA and the BPI”
      2. “and websites like this are pretty low. Profiteering on content that hasn’t been created by you is wrong

      I dont think this site has ever advocated profiting from files that are shared. Most comments seem to be pretty much the opposite. If its not freely shared its not right. You seem to confuse “file sharing” with “file selling”. Just try to remember
      “sharing is caring” and you cant go wrong. If you can afford it and its a fair price then buy it.

      If the price is way out of proportion to the quality and is not fair for you then you can do without it or download it for free. If you are not sure if it is worth the price then try it before you buy it without cost. I believe thats the whole idea of sharing files, not for profit.

      • http://twitter.com/ReeceIsSoCool Reece Jones

        You must of misread my comment :).
        I was just saying the website which is selling torrented music isn’t morally right, especially if the profits don’t get forwarded to the artists that’s all. If they do thats fine, but i’m assuming if the files aren’t taken from the artist/distributor themselves that they aren’t involved and won’t be paid. I was just encouraging people that if are actually willing to fork out cash, try and find a distributor that will provide the artists a portion of the sale. 

  • Afronauts

    In Soviet Russia, song sings you!

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  • PRIVACY is priceless to me

    You gotta be really very very stupid to actual spend money  on shitty mp3s.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZC2GHID7A35LQPMD7GGMJRNPB4 Gloria

    just as Phyllis replied I am stunned that any one able to earn $4585 in four weeks on the computer. have you seen this link (Click on menu Home more information)   http://goo.gl/vxddy   

  • OldRents

    Such sites are not popular in Russia, we have Vkontakte and can listen any records for free. Or to download stuff with Vkontakte download plugin.

    Register in VK.com, go to the “My music” tab, and then enter any artist you like in the search form , And enjoy really free music :)

  • http://buklau.bandcamp.com/ Guest

    Thanks enigmax big time for writing this article. I am an independant artist whose music is also being distributed this site for money. Now, I do not set my own price (rather, I use the “Name Your Price” scheme on Bandcamp), so I do not (and have not so far) make money on any of my releases.

    “LegalSounds”, pronounced tongue firmly in cheek, took my releases from Bandcamp and put them up on their site, setting their own price, and without my permission. While my work was licensed under Creative Commons and is welcome to free distribution, I licensed it under “No Commerical Works”. Incidentally, they didn’t even contact me, period.

    I’m pretty sure this “local collecting society” is nothing more than the owner’s own pockets, and anyone who is thinking of using this service should just either download the original off of iTunes/Amazon/wherever or pirate it, since this service is the paid equivelent of the latter minus a “guilty conscience”.

    • http://buklau.bandcamp.com/ Guest

      I apologize for any of the typos I made, since this post was made in haste.

    • Fredrika

      > “..and without my permission.”

      The copyright monopoly has never been absolute, and there have always been many instances when your permission is in no way needed before your works are used or distributed. Ever heard of libraries or radio? According to Russian copyright law it works the same way with on-line services, which are equalled to radio. They do all the job, they distribute al the signals to the listeners, so naturally they set the price, and they do not need your permission.

      What that causes is an actual free market for on-line-services, where the retailers can set their own prices, without being regulated by the monopoly holder, which was the reason why appreciated on-line services without any DRM and with reasonable pricing existed there many many years before it did elsewhere in the world. This is something very good from the consumer and market perspective. The free market has always proven to be superior in meeting consumer demand compared to a monopoly regulated market.

      > “While my work was licensed under Creative Commons and is welcome to free distribution, I licensed it under “No Commerical Works”.”

      CC licenses are invalid under many copyright legislations i the world, you are aware of this?

      > “Incidentally, they didn’t even contact me, period.”

      Fully correctly they didn’t contact you, because you were not supposed to be contacted, in the same way that you are not contacted when libraries or radio stations distribute your music.

      > “I’m pretty sure this “local collecting society” is nothing more than the owner’s own pockets..”

      There are registered collecting agencies for copyrighted works i almost every country in the world, and this is the Russian equivalent. Although i wouldn’t rule out that they are corrupted, because most collecting agencies around the world are nothing more than criminal organisations, who continuously seems to be in trouble with the law for their wrong doings and extortions of people and companies.

      > “..and anyone who is thinking of using this service should just either download the original..”

      The original is never available for sale, the only things that’s available for sale is copies, or the service of streaming information describing a pattern of a copy.

      > “..or pirate it, since this service is the paid equivelent of the latter minus a “guilty conscience”.”

      Why? Because they aren’t regulated by a legislative monopoly? Then do you equal radio or libraries with piracy as well, minus a guilty conscience?

      • Guest

        I’m glad you took the time to reply to my post, albeit I’m not sure if you favor absolute distribution control at the hands of the user or just want to start a good debate on the concept of charging for a service.

        >They do all the job, they distribute al the signals to the listeners, so
        naturally they set the price, and they do not need your permission.

        Recommended reading: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/

        >…where
        the retailers can set their own prices, without being regulated by the
        monopoly holder, which was the reason why appreciated on-line services
        without any DRM and with reasonable pricing existed there many many
        years before it did elsewhere in the world.

        Anyone can put $0 as a price and download it for themselves. A paid “mirror” is similar in function to someone paying $10 for uTorrent or Firefox just because it’s on a different site. Is it morally right to profit from something that doesn’t have a price?

        >CC licenses are invalid under many copyright legislations i the world, you are aware of this?

        “To CC’s knowledge, the licenses have never been held unenforceable or invalid.” Please give me a few sources to backup your claim.

        >Fully correctly they didn’t contact you, because you were not supposed
        to be contacted

        Well, sure I was! Doesn’t it explicitly say that the license terms prohibiting commercial distribution could be waived if you had permission from me? It’s not like I was going to say no, albeit now I’m not sure of accepting any offers from them.

        >There are registered collecting agencies for copyrighted works i almost
        every country in the world, and this is the Russian equivalent. Although
        i wouldn’t rule out that they are corrupted, because most collecting
        agencies around the world are nothing more than criminal organisations,
        who continuously seems to be in trouble with the law for their wrong
        doings and extortions of people and companies.

        Like publishing works that they do not own against the fairly lenient license terms I’ve provided?

        >The original is never available for sale, the only things that’s
        available for sale is copies, or the service of streaming information
        describing a pattern of a copy.

        Well, I could hook a nigga up with some masters. Not these niggas, though.

        >Why? Because they aren’t regulated by a legislative monopoly? Then do you equal radio or libraries with piracy as well, minus a guilty conscience?

        Legislature is different than morals; it’s most apparent in politics. Radio stations pay royalties to the copyright owner, and libraries, notwithstanding digital ones, only shelve physical copies. Now, what would you do in the case that someone takes that physical copy from the library and sells it on the corner for a dollar?

        • Fredrika

          > “..albeit I’m not sure if you favor absolute distribution control at the hands of the user or just want to start a good debate on the concept of charging for a service.”

          I have not discussed my personal opinions, nor have i tried to start a debate, i have simply responded to some of your many misconceptions, and pointed out some facts which you seem to be unaware of, which leads you to conclusions that ignore the relevant premisses.

          > “Recommended reading:..”

          Nothing of what was written there changes the fact that nor radio stations or Russian on-line services require your permission for anything, and that they set the price for their service. They follow copyright law, not meaningless words on some webpage.

          > “Anyone can put $0 as a price and download it for themselves.”

          Yes where that service is offered freely. But that a service is offered freely in one place does not mean that others must offer their service freely.

          > “A paid “mirror” is similar in function to someone paying $10 for uTorrent or Firefox just because it’s on a different site.”

          uTorrent or Firefox are intellectual works, which in turn does not constitute property, therefore intellectual works can not be owned, sold or bought. In your example what costs money is a service, and that one service is free does not mean that another one has to be.

          > “Is it morally right to profit from something that doesn’t have a price?”

          If a seller sets a price for his service it has a price. Moral belief has no relevance to this fact.

          > “Please give me a few sources to backup your claim.”

          In basically all countries there are licensed collecting agencies, which require fees if you use intellectual works in public. They usually have legal rights to demand these fees even for CC works when the use is freely allowed under the CC licenses. There are very few countries, if any, were CC is written into the actual copyright legislation so collecting agencies don’t have a right to collect fees for use of CC works, when it can be used freely according to the CC license.

          > “Well, sure I was! Doesn’t it explicitly say that the license terms prohibiting commercial distribution could be waived if you had permission from me?”

          Words in a CC license does not supersede copyright legislation. According to the copyright legislation they do not require your permission, so you were not supposed to be contacted.

          > “It’s not like I was going to say no..”

          You do realize that no copyright monopoly is absolute and that there are many instances, both non-commercial and commercial, where you can’t say no, regardless of what CC license you release your works under. The only thing CC does is allow things, it can not forbid things that are allowed in the copyright legislation.

          > “Like publishing works that they do not own against the fairly lenient license terms I’ve provided?”

          Collecting agencies never publish works. The most legal problems i’ve read about when it comes to collecting agencies revolves around embezzlement of funds and collecting fees they don’t have a right to collect.

          > “Well, I could hook a nigga up with some masters. Not these niggas, though.”

          I’m sure you can do all sorts of things to all kinds of people regardless of race, but that does not change the fact that nor Itunes or LegalSounds sell originals, and that’s it’s impossible to download the original, which was what you incorrectly claimed.

          > “Radio stations pay royalties to the copyright owner..”

          No, radio stations pay fees to collecting agencies as does LegalSounds.

          > “..and libraries, notwithstanding digital ones, only shelve physical copies.”

          Which has no relevance to the comparison i made about them not being regulated by a legislative monopoly, a trait they share with LegalSounds.

          > “Now, what would you do in the case that someone takes that physical copy from the library and sells it on the corner for a dollar?”

          This discussion has nothing to do with libraries physical property, theft of it, or fencing of stolen goods.

  • Zulala

    This articles have so many pearls. “You won’t find those on iTunes.” LOOOOL
    Are you writing to piracy noobs??
    So.. basically people are buying warez music.. LOL. at 128 or 192 kbps!!! what a joke

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  • me

    It’s great to see prices of $0.01 to $0.03 per megabyte (or some $0.08 per track, or $1.00 per album) non-DRMed content again. That’s the sweet spot that worked very well for allofmp3. If iTunes & the labels weren’t so greedy and such control freaks, they’d have made 10x the fortune they already make now, if they priced their downloads accordingly.

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