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Student Fined For Running Movie & TV Show Subtitle Download Site

A student who ran a site which enabled the download of a million movie and TV show subtitle files has been found guilty of copyright infringement offenses. Despite it being acknowledged that the 25-year-old made no money from the three-year-old operation, prosecutors demanded a jail sentence. After struggling due to a lack of case law, in the end the court settle on a fine.

From the deaf to those who simply don’t understand the language being used, for millions of people all around the world subtitles are necessary for the enjoyment of movies and TV shows.

Online, subtitles come in the form of small text files that can be quickly downloaded and played alongside a corresponding video file using media players such as VLC.

In many cases the words contained in these files have been created by the movie and TV studios and just like their scripts, are considered valuable intellectual property. In others, however, subtitling enthusiasts will have manually translated English language originals into local tongue, often providing a service that simply isn’t available officially.

A site offering such subtitle files has just got its student owner into legal trouble after growing in popularity and eventually serving up more than a million downloads.

In April this year the site, which TorrentFreak has identified as Norsub.com, put up a notice stating that although they always believed that they had operated legally, they had been ‘informed’ that sharing subtitles online constitutes copyright infringement.

As a result, Norsub said they were choosing “to distance themselves from this activity” by shutting themselves down, but it now transpires that their problems were running a bit deeper than merely being ‘informed’.

Norsub

According to a report from the South Trøndelag County Court, a student from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology in Trondheim has just faced trial for operating Norsub.

It was claimed that the unnamed 25-year-old had run the site since 2009 and during that time had offered unauthorized subtitles enabling locals to watch thousands of foreign language movie and TV shows.

During the site’s three years online, Norsub is said to have offered subtitles to more than 6,000 productions. Of these the student is said to have personally provided 400. As can be seen from this archive, from aXXo to Z0N3 the site provided subtitles for just about every online release group.

While there have been previous infringement cases in Norway involving other media such as movies, this is the first time a court has heard a case involving subtitles. The judge reportedly had difficulty in comparing movie piracy with sharing subtitles, considering the former to be a much more serious offense.

Running against the student was the fact that he’d operated the site for several years and during that time the site had become very popular. In his favor, he’d shut the site immediately once he realized there was a problem with copyright.

Prosecutors asked the court to hand down a jail sentence, but the judge refused to go that far. Instead, the student was fined 15,000 kroner, roughly $2,500. He is currently investing his time in a completely legal movie information site called Moviie.com.

Although relatively rare, US movie and TV studios have taken legal action against subtitling sites before. The reason they appear to get so annoyed by the existence of these sites is that they allow people abroad to watch movies and TV shows that due to licensing issues haven’t even arrived on their shores yet.

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  • Anyone

    morons

    why go after your most dedicated fans?

    • Shiny Jirachi

      Money.

      • Deez

        They would make more money in the long run if they didnt go after the people that buy there produce.

        • MrBiG

          We know that but they can’t comprehend it. These clowns are going to fight it tooth and nail until their crumbling business models finally completely crumble,.

        • Noway

           Ya, whoever buys their tomatoes should be exempt!

        • Mark D

          their business models will not crumble because their will always be demand for their product. Admit it, no one else has the product to compete with.

        • Anyone

          studios have gone bankrupt before

          the whole industry might not crumble, but some studios hopefully will

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        • Fantastic

           Its why they are attacking the internet so hard right now since it is becoming the alternative and they want to crush it to maintain their monopoly

        • Anonymous

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        • Runaway

          “their business models will not crumble because their will always be demand for their product.”

          You are delusional. Their business is crumbling right now as we speak.

          Did you notice CNN having lost half of their odience already?

          Currently we have  dirt ship camera, dirt ship advanced recording capabilities and dirt ship computer generated special effects generation. Finding good actors is no problem.

          Beside with internet they are many more stuff to do than just watching movies.

          The  boycott that started for the music is now expending against Hollywood.

          Finally time is near when military action against rogue corporations will be conducted not only destroying the business but scaring away the investors.

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      • Decimus

        I think it may not be completely about money.  Those jerks wanted him to do jail time.  What a bunch of bastards.

      • Positive Carry

        Except, there was no money involved in this.

      • Toanyone

         control the information & data…then you control the money!

    • Bloody Tampon

       It’s the low hanging fruit they go after first.

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      Control.

      • Eddy

         Control….you hit the nail right on the head. All this bullshit has absolutely nothing to do with money, jobs or anything else they bleat on about, they are control freaks….Its my ball and I am taking it home.

    • mwhahaha

      Movie companies have been bitch-slapping their fans for years. It’s called constant repackaging and limited edition releases.

      I still don’t get why people expect media companies to be nice. They never, ever have been. Even when you were giving them money they still sat and took the piss out of you.

    • becauseisaidso

      The primary problem insofar as I’ve seen with cases like this that seem rather stupid to the general public, is that you are required to defend your copyright as soon as you find it being infringed upon no matter how benign or else you lose your right to defend it in more serious cases.  If the legal system were able to allow selective copyright defense, you might see fewer instances of things like this.

      • name

        You are confusing copyright with trademark.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    This is yet another glaring example of how the law is an ass.  Providing subtitles to movies and TV shows in which none exist is an exercise in social entrepreneurialship and this guy should be awarded a freakin medal rather than hauled into court and fined simply for helping people out.

    I hope he appeals this awful decision by this dumbfounding court.

    • Moose

      Nevermind, everytime I hear a case like this the movie studios loose me as a customer just a little bit more, when I and many others reading this are faced with that decision “support this movie or download” this may just sway us to the latter choice. So movie studios: thanks! The next movie’s on the house!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IBSMF2LDGVL4FWEURGPA2D7KHI Ronnie

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    • Lethn

       I’m in shock scam artists like you think this works on anyone anymore.

      • La La La La

        But I made $12 Billion per month because as Lucy said that clam … wait … time to take my medication … nice lady … turtles are good. 

  • Anon

    I’m glad he got only a fine. I’m also glad that if he ever tries this crap again, he’ll go straight to jail.

    The creators will subtitle their work if and when they decide they want it subtitled. That’s their choice to make, not yours or his. And you’d better have a better reason than “because we can”, or you are fighting the wrong fight. That’s the fight this kid just lost.

    • http://www.flaskpost.com/ Malingo Geshrat

      I would love to have my movies subtitled for free, so that they can reach more viewers around the globe.
      But, thats just me.

      • mwhahaha

        So do it then if you have a film, that is if it’s not some crappy piece of shit no one would watch in any language.

        • Guest

          Or just make a fansub, because that also works.

        • Jablah

          Hey do you have split personality disorder? Is being a troll is too distressful for you that you start to assume an identity of a pirate to cope with your guilt? Hey ever watch Shutter Island and Identity? Seems like you have DID (Dissociative identity disorder
          ) :D

    • MST3K

      And Mystery Science Theater 3000 should be banned. 

      http://www.rifftrax.com/ 

    • Guest

      Don’t care what you think, there are so many more people happy to copy and share than possive idiots so ultimately we win :)

      do you really thing all those subtitles just disappeared :) there all over the internet wow

    • Anyone

      what more reason do you want?
      it doesn’t harm anyone, so why go after a fan?

      it’s plain stupidity

    • Anon

      because fuck you, he provided a good service.

    • Zarr

      He provided a service of public interest.
      He should have been paid for that, rewarded, not fined.
      Your argument of “the creators decide if they want to be subtitled” is childish.The creators are nothing without the public. Nothing at all.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ender-Wiggin/100000885624281 Ender Wiggin

      do they pay you to suck their dicks online, or is this intern work?

      • Guest

        Do you have any idea of the rightsholding PelouzeTF has on his mouth?

    • Guost

      an artist does not hold the property of what it creates, it is his public who does!

      but i get it would be difficult for many people to understand that, especially in our  century where hollywood crap is hailed as art!

    • djnforce9

      Yes it’s their choice to make but it shouldn’t be their choice for someone else to do it for them WITHOUT BEING PAID! If he profited from this, that would be a completely different story. It’s even more absurd that they wanted this individual to go to jail as
      if his conduct is somehow equivalent to murdering someone. If anything, he’s doing the industry a favour because someone who speaks another language can still BUY the movie.

      As for “fighting the wrong fight”. No, it’s the “right” fight and while this specific battle is lost, the war is still on. Those old farts in the industry won’t live forever and will hopefully get replaced by a newer generation who actually know what the hell they are doing (and don’t push away their very own customers).

      • mwhahaha

        What about the guy who the studios pay to translate their subtitles for release? How do you think he feels about someone doing his job for free?

        • Anon

           He doesn’t give a damn and you know it.

        • Anyone

          as long as he still gets paid I doubt that he cares

        • Guest

          He doesn’t give a fuck, because the studios still pay him to subtitle their releases. They don’t use fansubs and never will, because it’s much easier to pay a pro subtitler than it is to wrestle with the legal red tape and the royalty negotiations of using somebody’s fansub for an official release. 

          Your “point” is so stupid it makes my teeth itch.

        • Sabacat

           Have you ever watched the anime Hetalia?  Funimation poached half their dub from the fansub!  No one’s heard them bitching that half their job was done for them!

        • Mayakovsky

          Download copy paste get paid by studio?

        • Guest

          How do you think he feels? I’ll consider that in Singapore, the anime release company Odex sued children for downloading fansubs. I’ll consider that most people dislike their translations. I’ll consider that fans realised that most of Odex’s translations, close to the times in 2007 when they began suing children, were ripped off from fansubs.

          Whatever the guy is feeling, I highly doubt he’s feeling what you think he’s feeling.

    • lol at paid troll

       content creators should do as their consumers want so they can make that money they cry they are not getting. If the entertainment industry provided that service for their consumer fans, the fans would not have to turn to a 3rd party.

      Old business models fail in the digital age and need to be revamped.

      Provide the service for a reasonable price and they will pay.

    • Guest

      “The creators will subtitle their work if and when they decide they want it subtitled. That’s their choice to make, not yours or his.”

      Counterpoint: No, it isn’t their fucking choice to make. Nobody has the authority to impede the sharing of human culture. If the creators think they do, they are completely mistaken. 

      Out of the kindness of their own hearts and in the spirit of sharing, people will continue to subtitle creative works and make them accessible across language barriers. And nothing will stop it, because sharing and spreading culture is one of the most fundamental aspects of being human(you might as well outlaw sneezing). Somebody got fined $2500? Sucks for them. But that changes jack shit. The world keeps turning and the fansubbing scene goes on with no end. This impossible war against culture is a war the copyright cartel lost before it ever started.

    • Scott

      Media companies are “fighting the wrong fight.” The preservation of this system of copyrights and patents that dates back to the middle ages is grossly inadequate to spur innovation and reward entrepreneurship in the 21st century. Artistic freedom vouchers and government granted research funds would be much more cost effective and consumer friendly systems to compensate our artists and inventors than the current system of government licensed monopolies leading to ridiculous lawsuits such as this.

    • zeeblah

      “The creators will subtitle their work if and when they decide they want
      it subtitled. That’s their choice to make, not yours or his”

      I can rain a few punch to your face if and when I decide. That’s my choice to make, not yours or his

    • Avc

       I got a brother who wouldn’t be able to watch more than half of the shit he likes because that shit doesn’t come with subtitles. Why, you ask? Because he’s fucking deaf.

      • Non English Speaker

        … not to mention people like me who have poor english… and not used to understand the american pronunciation. For example “can’t live” can be heard as “ken lee” or “why don’t say” is misheard as “why Don Tsay” And probably the most annoying one is I can’t tell if they’re pronouncing “I CAN’T” or “I CAN”.

        • Don Is Confusing Me

          I do not know why Don Tsay those things what he sez.

        • Guest

          If your English is that poor, stop watching American movies nub.

        • rotor

           I do not know why Don Tsay those things what he sezEr… subtitle please?

  • http://epiphanyproject.wordpress.com/ Timothy Matias

    this really is a classic case of the movie industry biting the hand that feeds it. Congratulations MPAA, now we have one more big reason not to purchase your films, you got rid of the community providing subtitles to even appreciate your films. These ignorant pretentious pricks should go to hell, and bring their obsolete business model with them!

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  • Jimbo

    so the entertainment industries do it again, then, ably assisted by yet another court run by a clueless judge. how can anyone in his position admit to not being able to join copyright infringement to subtitles but still find the ‘perpetrator’ guilty and give him a sentence, albeit a fine? why would an industry that doesn’t supply the means for anyone who is hard of hearing or doesn’t understand a language to enjoy their media object when a private person does supply that means for free? why do they insist that part of being in control means pissing off the very people they rely on? do they enjoy having a death wish? well, my death wish is that it happens to them damn soon!

    • Decimus

      Indeed.  I’m glad that he at least had the common sense to not give jail time, but that Judge is still an idiot.

  • Blackbeard


    watch movies and TV shows that due to licensing issues haven’t even arrived on their shores yet.”

    Licensing issues that they themselves created. Why get pissy when someone cleans up your fuck-up?

  • http://www.twitter.com/echoman74 echoman

    So i guess this is what the industry considers innovation as it says on the mpaa blog. sue students especially those doing something and not asking for a dime. Oh and licensing what a crock of shit please licensing my ass. Lately i have felt the industry both the mpaa/riaa should just exit, Because this is not creative it’s destructive sue everyone especially those that watch you piece of shit movies etc etc etc. I can’t wait till there is an alternative to the mpaa/riaa!!! oh wait……. :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

      congratulations, you just found a new way to sue people for helping you. WELL DONE.

  • http://twitter.com/Pigfarmer44 Simon Bee

    At least in Norway the size of the fine bore some resemblance to the size of the crime, whereas in the states people have been fined tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars for similar offences.

    • Anonymous

      No, the size of the fine did NOT match the size of the “crime”.  This is absolutely sickening and I’d have to say down right wrong.  These people were attempting to jail a man who was making THEIR movies and shows accessable to MORE people.  I don’t even have words to describe how furious something like this makes me.

    • Bloaxor

      To keep on beating the dead horse:

      Except the problem here is that THERE WERE NO DAMAGES.
      Giving out additional services for movies FOR FREE is NOT a DAMAGING act.

      So in fact, if they fined him something that resembled the damages, that number should’ve been negative.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      There wasn’t any crime here AT ALL. I’d really appeal this decision AND ask that courts to decide what law he had supposedly broken.

      I cannot think of one that keeps you from putting out subtitles to a TV show if you are not asking for monetary compensation for that.

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  • Edjohon

    You know there is a third group of people that also enjoy subtitles even though they are neither deaf nor having trouble understanding English… It’s parents… You can keep the volume down low and still watch shows after your kids are sleeping… I download English subtitles for English shows for that very reason…

    • FONT

      And if you increase the FONT SIZE it reads LOUDER! 

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    Imagine how in the butt would be anime if there were no subtitles.
    Pathetic greedy corps are pathetic. -_-

    • Cthulu

      lol ahaha that means your site would be obsolete

      • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

        Lol, that’s for sure :D

  • Anon

    This is unbelieveably stupid!  How could any self respecting judge not throw this out of court…??

    • Anonymous

      In Norway, copyright law explicitly says that making copyrighted works available is copyright infringement; no actual distribution needed. So if the dialogue/scripts/subtitles are protected by Norwegian copyright law, and they were apparently made available to others by a resident of Norway, then it seems reasonable for the case to be heard in the Norwegian court.

      It seems this was a criminal case, not civil, so who knows why the prosecutor decided this was worth pursuing, or how they were tipped off… maybe the MPAA was involved, maybe not. All it takes is one copyright owner to press charges, and one prosecutor under pressure to “do something” about Internet piracy.

  • Pointzero

    Hmm. I have the opposite problem.

    I’ve written subtitles for more than a 150 movies (English and Greek) .
    And at request for a few deaf people.
    All Free of charge.

    2 years ago, I found out that a big studio in my country was using MY SUBS word for word on movies they showed on local TV channels here.

    2 Years ago the same studio was suing the site operators of a huge subtitle site (which I was a member of) for violating “copyrights”, by providing said subs for free.

    It just shows that the stupidity, arrogance and immorality of these people, knows no bounds.

    • http://jello-bomb.deviantart.com/ Ellie
      • DocGerbil100

        Good link.  Surprised this isn’t linked in TF’s NewsBits section – a case of corporate copyright theft in it’s most exact and literal sense.
        Thank you very much, Ellie.
        Much obliged. :)

    • DocGerbil100

      I don’t use subtitles as I speak native English, but after asking around this evening, I find I actually work with a number of colleagues who do make use of fansubs.

      On behalf of them all, I sincerely thank you for providing a genuinely valuable service to the community.
      Much obliged, Pointzero.
      :D:D:D:D:D

  • Anonymous

    Someone tries to make entertainment more accessible to the public.  Media attack dogs sue him, try to get him jailed, and “settle” for a massive fine.(Don’t say it’s not massive, we were all, or still are, in college once.  $2500 is a lot of money when you’ve got a good job, what do you expect this poor kid to do?)  It’s horrible, horrible logic and it proves that they’re not out to prove anything, they’re trying to make money off anyone their soulless lawyers will take up arms against.

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  • Zig

    Hang on. If the subtitles were in a different language to the original then how can he possibly be infringing copyright in any way whatsoever? A translation isn’t a direct copy of the original words transcribed into another language.

    Anyone who has ever worked on any kind of translation will know that due to the vastly different structures, syntax, colloquialisms (amongst other things) of other languages it is almost always impossible to ‘directly’ translate verbatim. It usually requires subtle shifts in the way something is worded to truly make sense in the destination language.

    Not forgetting that many of the subtitles involved will be for translations to other locales for English language films, and English in itself has a strange syntax compared to other European languages – its sentence structure could be considered ‘backwards’. For instance, in English you might say “Here is a blue cat”, but in French you would say something along the lines of “A cat blue, near is”.

    • Esn

      All of what you say is true, but legally irrelevant. Translators have almost no rights in our current society. If even a translation into a completely different artistic medium is considered a derivate work that the new artist has no rights to (for example, from music into painting), do you really think that the law will recognize that a translation into another language requires has its own independent artistic worth?

      • Zig

        I can see what you’re saying, but I’m not suggesting that the translation has its own independent artistic worth per se, merely that it in no way affects the worth, of the original production. Neither does it lead to any financial loss (provable or implied), nor does it, in this case at least, lead to any financial gain for the creator. It doesn’t directly infringe on the copyrighted material and it doesn’t incite others to do so. So I’m not really sure how this could be covered by copyright laws at all.

        I’d imagine if he was selling translated books and not compensating the author of the original language version then there’d be a case to argue, but as no money is changing hands and the translated dialogue has no intrinsic value in the absence  of the film/programme it relates to, then I can’t understand how a court could reach a ruling against the defendant. Perhaps he should appeal on the grounds that he was adding value to the copyrighted work, without infringement, and asking for no financial reimbursement for the time invested. :)

        • Esn

          Copyright law doesn’t care at all whether the infringement ADDS or SUBTRACTS value from a work.  The issue is that ONLY the original author of a work is allowed to add or subtract value from it. If he/she wants to destroy every last copy from out of the hands of the audience, that is his/her right (it tends not to happen because it’s not yet practically enforceable, but it could; “copyright” means “the right to control all copies”).

          The issue is that an unauthorized translation, whether partial or whole, whether between languages or between artistic mediums, is an illegal derivative work. It’s not about worth to society or any such gibberish, or even worth to the copyright holder, it’s only about control.

        • Anyone

          and that is why copyright should be abolished
          noone should have that right

      • Brandrep

        In Europe, at least, translations are regarded as independent artistic creations and are covered by the Berne Convention.

    • Guest

      It’s copyright.
      It does not have to follow logic.

      They prouced the shows, the subs are for those shows.

      Soon they’ll sue us for talking about tv shows too.

      • Zig

        Yes, they own the rights to the shows, and only the shows. They didn’t make the subtitles, so they don’t own the subtitles, they only own the original screenplay.

        • http://twitter.com/AlexanderEdbom Alexander Edbom

          This must be a misstake, atleast for the non-english subtitles. How can copyright maffia own the words not existing in the movies? Norway has to fight this.

    • Afraid Of Le Blue Cat

      I better get away from here, I fear the Blue Cat is near.

  • freePirate

    The judge and members of jury of that court should feel guilty for doing something stupid

    • mwhahaha

      Harsh. They have laws to guide them and the guy broke the law. They could have jailed him, they didn’t. They gave him a tiny fine. I thought they acted rationally compared to some US/UK courts for copyright trials.

      • Anyone

        I’ll give you a “tiny” fine, see how you like it

      • Guest

        Not harsh. It’s the duty of a judge or jury to deliver justice, but only injustice was delivered in this case. It was not only stupid but a dereliction of their duty as well. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/jhborden James H Borden

    What Hollywood needs to remember is the internet and the people behind it from the nerd rager in his basement upto Bill Gates that we are bigger and more powerful than them we also have pools of cash if we wanted it is called “donations” and hollywood is our bitch and they need to reform to our standards. Not the other way around. We control you “hollywood” you dont control “us”.

  • Baba

    Whoever raised the complaint is a fool and should be named so that I can be sure I do not buy whatever it is they make.

    • Guest

      You can play it safe like me and do it the other way around instead, only buy something if you are sure the ones making it are not doing any morally reproachable practices you oppose.

      • mwhahaha

        Wow, I’d love to see your grocery lists then.
        You must have done a lot of research.

        • Zig

          Easy. Buy groceries from local producers, many of whom have their own market stalls. That way you can personally ask them about their production methods.

        • Guest

          Yeah, it’s better to not even care if you’re supporting a business that does morally reprehensible things.

          Hey, I know. Take your snark against people with actual principles and GTFO.

      • DocGerbil100

         I love the idea of this, but in practise, that seems like a virtually infinite domain of endless research.  I can’t speak for everyone here, but I have a life I want to continue enjoying! :)

  • Fanden

    This makes me so fucking angry. I hope some day the politicians and the public will wake up and cause hell for these pricks.

    Subtitles are merely text strings you idiots. What are they worth without the actual film? Apparently a whole lot. What will be next? Anything seems possible by now.

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  • Asashii

    wait for it to be released in your country and then rent,buy,watch ?

    • Zig

      RTFA:

      “The reason they appear to get so annoyed by the existence of these sites is that they allow people abroad to watch movies and TV shows that due to licensing issues haven’t even arrived on their shores yet.”This is one of the most often cited reasons for piracy – artificial delays in release schedules. Quite often licensing agreements will never be made to release a film localised for a particular country, so what then? Even in countries like the UK where we share (more or less) a common language with the US, there are many times I have come across artificial ‘licensing’ delays which mean I’ve not been able to buy a download copy of some media through any official channel and the only available source in my country is file-sharing.

  • Fake Name

    s/licensing issues/stupidity issues/

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  • HustleHard

    I think the time spent prosecuting this person would have been better off spent on an actual criminal…say a murder or a rapist! lol

    Please Countries of the world…focus on the many real issue of the world! PLEASE!! 

    • Anon1

      Greed and extortion are apparently far more important to the MAFIAA.

  • 45tHTGHGJGj

    I can’t watch at all 50% of US TV shows on my TV and 30% i can only watch without original audio and 15% i can watch with original audio but without subtitles and other 5% i can watch normally so ofc i will pirate all.

    btw premiere of fringe and other US shows in public TV = 23:30  so GTFO

  • Anonymous

    Fuck America and the horse they rode in on!

  • Anonymous

    I fail to see you could be arrested for text files with words in them.

    • mwhahaha

      Then look harder. For instance a newly released novel can be shared this way. 

      • Zig

        But that would be a direct copy. This student was providing subtitles that were worthless without the original visual media that they were meant to accompany. It’s a completely different issue.

  • Anonymous

    Should hire them instead, obviously very dedicated to this hobby and could improve retail movies in all markets.

    • mwhahaha

      Subtitles for downloads must have improved a lot since I last got one. They used to be god awful, they were so far from the script at times it would be a hard job to judge if they were breaching copyright. :)

      • Guest

        Are you sure you aren’t talking about official subtitles? 

        Because the main reason fansubs exist, right after lack of availability, is because the official subs were shit.

  • Guest

    Ok, this is stupid. Plain and simple.

    I feel it for the guy but this is great news for everyone else.
    It’s hard to find such gems that show why and how copyright is so so wrong.

    The problem isn’t the fact that they did this, it’s the fact that they can do it and get away with it.

    The complete abolition of all copyright laws is a requirement for the progress of humanity, there simply won’t be a bright future for anyone as long as copyright is allowed to expand its grip over society.

    Whatever the limited hypothetical and unproven benefits might be the real problems that come from it are simply way bigger and it has already been proved to be useless , it is not a necessary evil, it is one useless evil and there is no justification for this legal travesty that creates arbitrary monopolies over fucking ideas, there is no justification for the damage to society they do and the huge costs they require to enforce and the harsh punishments they have that are even bigger than those of real and undeniable acts of evil such as domestical abuse, assault, stealing, and fraud.

    Society will have to see the evils of this misguided status quo before it can finally question it and realize the absurd of this system and the biggest victims will be those few unlucky guys like this entrepeneur student.

    • mwhahaha

      Copyright needs to be limited justly and more fair use rights allowed whilst still guaranteeing *some* reward for the creator of the works involved, else all media will look like shitty youtube homemade videos, badly written novels, and the kind of crappy homemade music myspace is full of.

      The media companies are being such idiots they’re driving people to this extreme stance, and the creators who atm are being screwed by the people they work for are now expected to do it for nothing by myopic idiots. 

      So if you want to abolish all copyright you’re greedier than the mpaa. They only want a big slice from the earnings of a person’s creation, you want to take everything from the creators and leave them nothing.

      Go you.

      • Anyone

        copyright should only be for commercial use

        so if you want to make money with something you better have the appropiate rights for it.

        but sharing or remixing for free should be free from copyright, just mention the author

        GNU GPL works great for software, why can’t it work for other media as well?

      • Guest

        Fuck you, you lying, disingenuous, copyright MAFIAA shitbag pretending to be “one of us” and doing a bad job of it.

        Filesharers don’t want to take everything away from creators and leave them nothing. Filesharers are THE BEST PAYING CUSTOMERS, because we’re THE BIGGEST FANS of culture and WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE SHOULD  SUPPORT THE ARTISTS WE ENJOY, AND SO WE DO.

        You know this. The proof has been shoved in your face more than enough times. To continue to deny it means that you are consciously lying, at this point.

        But what the hell, I’ll shove it in your face yet again anyway. Not to prove it to you, as that’s impossible, but to show how big of a liar you are. Here, eat a whole page of search results:
        http://www.google DOT com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=filesharers+%22buy+more%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=2

        Copyright is already abolished in practical terms, but it still exists on paper. Which is a problem because this results in bullshit like people getting fined $2500 for doing nothing whatsoever wrong. Thus, it needs to be abolished on paper as well. And there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be, as the last decade has proven that the content industry still thrives in a world where copyright is functionally dead. It’s pointless to keep propping up its corpse as if that accomplishes anything valuable. Time to stop.

        No, way beyond time.

        • NewDay

           well fucking said

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gear-Mentation/100003097514663 Gear Mentation

        Well, considering that the MAFIAA have proven themselves enemies of the people, I guess someone has to suffer (very little) to bring down the system.  It’s too bad, and it’s too bad artists don’t rebel.  But, the old system is falling down and needs to fall down, and pretending no one gets hurt in the process is a lie.

        • DocGerbil100

          ^^ This.

          It’s also too bad that artists didn’t rebel decades ago, when the film & television studios and record labels were first drawing up contracts that stripped away the rights of every creative talent in the western hemisphere. >:(

      • Fredrika

        > “Copyright needs to be limited justly and more fair use rights allowed whilst still guaranteeing *some* reward for the creator of the works involved..”

        What is this you are advocating here? Sounds like communism or a planned economy, since the actual conceptual copyright society uses has never been about guaranteeing the creator any reward. Copyright is about what’s best for society, not the creator. Believing otherwise only proves one knows nothing about copyright in the first place

        > “..else all media will look like shitty youtube homemade videos, badly written novels, and the kind of crappy homemade music myspace is full of.”

        There’s no evidence that’s supports this thesis, that copyright is needed for quality culture to be created. In fact there is already a large amount of costly quality culture continuously produced that has no need for copyright at all. So your entire claim is nothing but false.

        > “So if you want to abolish all copyright you’re greedier than the mpaa.”

        Advocating an end to a legislative monopoly that intrudes into peoples property rights is greedy? It is greedy to expect to have one’s property left alone, property that one has already paid for, and let the free market rules apply? Again it sounds as if you are advocating communism.

        > “..you want to take everything from the creators and leave them nothing.”

        You seem confused. There’s no taking involved in the letting the free market rules apply, and have an end to a legislative monopoly’s intrusion into people property rights. The only taking that takes place is when the copyright monopoly takes away from people property rights. To put an end to this taking does not constitute taking. It’s the complete opposite.

      • DocGerbil100

         Guest: “Fuck you, you lying, disingenuous, copyright MAFIAA shitbag pretending to be “one of us” and doing a bad job of it.”

        What he said.

      • DocGerbil100

        You’re right.  All the world’s greatest literary and artistic works only came about since copyright was invented (unless you include Shakespeare, Vivaldi, Da Vinci, etc, but they don’t really count for much, do they?  After all, if they were really worth anything, they’d've got royalties).

    • DocGerbil100

      I don’t agree with the total destruction of all aspects of copyright: an inalienable right to be identified (wherever possible) as the author of (or major contributor to) a given work seems to be only fair to me, as does an inherent, inalienable right to a fair share of any proceeds arising from commercial distribution (something ridiculously not provided in current law, at least in the UK).

      Also, I think a musician’s right to prevent political parties, religious groups, NAMBLA, etc, from using his or her music as a promotional tool at their events would also be somewhat desirable, although I don’t know how you’d frame that in workable legal terms (rather risibly, the current draconian system in the UK doesn’t provide this, either).

      The total annihilation of copyright might be easier, but I doubt it’s likely to be better.

      • Guest

        Copyright isn’t necessary to ensure that artists recieve credit for their work or  have the abbility to get compensated for it.

        • DocGerbil100

          Quite right – but it is where I think these things are currently located in most countries’ legal systems.

          The post I replied to (yours, I think?  Hard to tell with a username like ‘Guest’, TBPH) didn’t seem to be advocating any exceptions or transplantations of the more worthwhile legal ideas at all, just a scorched-earth policy against all copyright-related concepts, which seems like a bit much to me.

          As the old politician’s adage has it, legislate in haste, repent at leisure. :)

  • http://twitter.com/chawlindel Mikael Blomstrand

    This is just sick. How could this even be a crime?

  • Andrew Lee

    That kid is doing something that should have been done from the get go and they want to lock him up.

    I’m about to pass out so I don’t feel like a 5 page rant tonight >.< I'll just say this instead.

    Hollywood can KISS MY ASS

    Erm actually no they can't I don't wanna catch god knows what, but shit you get what I mean lol.

  • 3214

     they should be thanking him for providing this service

  • ProtocolsOFzion

    only subtitles.whats the problem ?

  • RIAAtarded

    moronic… these subtitles allow your product to be enjoyed by a larger audience so essential you’re getting free advertising in markets you might not currently be in and your response is to charge the guy for it? For non native speakers these are invaluable and seeing as you don’t include every known language this guy is doing you a service and should be supported but instead you’ve chosen to to eliminate him out of greed. It amazes me that they think that but for their actions piracy wouldn’t be a problem and things like this just fuel us to get content in a different manner as we aren’t happy with the current offerings.

    • Anonymous

      In respect to advertising, for a long time I’ve considered music on the radio and music videos on cable or satellite TV as being more in the category of advertising than entertanment, especially radio, where the same damn songs get played multiple times daily for years on end.

  • mwhahaha

    That’s harsh.

    The fine could be a lot, LOT worse, especially when compared to some we’ve seen for cases of multiple mp3 sharing/downloading. 

    As he has technically broken the law, the court couldn’t really have been much nicer in its judgement. 

    In a morally just world the court would have fined the ppl suing for wasting the court’s time with their pettiness, but you can’t have everything, so this is a bit of a result for the guy.

    Go Norway judges!

    • Zig

      The court could just have issued him with a warning and ordered he close the site (which he’d done preemptively anyway). The fine was to placate the prosecution so that they wouldn’t endlessly appeal and waste the courts time.

      In the software world entrepreneurs like this kid used to be seen as free market-testing by the big guys. If they came up with something that became popular they’d guarantee to be bought out by a major player.

      You’d think the MAFIAA would have enough savvy to see this and do something similar. The technology and interest has already been established, so a simple relatively small investment will give them ownership of a potentially huge new market. But that would require innovation and foresight – neither of which feature much in the MAFIAA mindset.

    • Guest

      So… that’s your excuse? “It could have been worse”? So you would support paying $149,999.99 for downloading a song because you could have ended up paying $150,000?

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  • miked

    Two questions:

    1. Are there mirrrors?
    2. Is there a way to donate to his cause?

    I would gladly pay to keep more swedish subtitle files out in the wild. That way they won’t be hardcoded!! 

  • Guest_X

    Sad. When some translation companies use scene subtitles..

    • Guest_X

      Yes, some translation companies pick up the pirate unofficial subtitles.. because in some countries, warez come out first.

  • Anonymous

    No way dude you have got to be kidding right? Wow.
    anon-planet.at.tc

  • Disgust

     prosecutors demanded a jail sentence…I AM SO FUCKING ANGRY RIGHT NOW

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  • Karl Pilkington

    [This comment was removed at the request of the MPAA]

  • http://travismccrea.com Travis McCrea

    http://www.moviesubtitles.org/
    http://www.opensubtitles.org/en
    http://next.subscene.com/
    etc etc in case someone was wondering where else they can go :)

  • Masa

    So do not forget that Prosecutor was the asshole on this story…

  • Niggerfaggot

    Dumb niggers (the industry) are dumb uberdumb.

  • http://www.peoplesnote.org Don Reba

    That is just plain evil. A jail sentence?

  • Lalw32

    i mean these studios are already going down. how much is their market capitalization? sony altogether is worth 14bil usd (entire corp), with other studios maybe 40 bil would be enough to buy the bigger players from within the mpaa and riaa and then as new owner fire all the lawyers. then the industry could be reborn. now only to find someone with 20-30 bil to spare to do us the favor :)

  • Waseihou

    Does anyone know if there exists an application for sharing subtitles based on DHT (distributed hash  tables)? Since subtitles are small in size, there should not be problem making such application to allow people to download from there.

  • Mark

    He helps people by supplying subs to fims and shows, so really what is the big deal about it all.. is hollywood reallying going to suffer by this!!

  • Lana

    The harder they push, the more we will fight back. New ways to share anonymously, the rise of eepsites and tor hidden services are the evolution that is being forced upon us. Thank you to all the mindless movie and music companies for compelling us to innovate and evolve. We are laughing at you right now, laughing at the millions and millions you spend trying to stop filesharing. The subs are still being made, your movies and music are still being shared for FREE. But you know the best thing of all, is there is a generation growing up that with every action you take such as this against the admin of Norsub, you lose less and less respect. You may have the millions and millions to waste on such schemes but without the respect of the people you will always end up losing. Whilst I feel sorry for the owner of Norsubs, he has become a martyr. I think that his misfortune just hardens the resolve of others to carry on. Let’s not not be angry with the poor old movie companies, instead lets laugh at their stupidity and rejoice at the evolution that they are hastening at their expense.

    lol ;)

  • Hteder

    As much you hate MAFIAA trolls like Anon, DisturbedMind and others, do not flag them and demand their post deleted! First, its freedom of expression. And second, they will get all their shit back to their face anyway, so its only amusing to read their retarded texts.

    • DocGerbil100

      I agree.  It’s not enough for a cunt to be a cunt: he or she must be seen to be a cunt.  With too many pro-copyright comments being flagged, I can’t work out sometimes if we’ve deleted a pointless troll-post (spam, off-topic discriminatory comments and the “it’s just stealing” brigade are all things I won’t miss) or if we’ve just censored a dissenting voice (we need those – there’s no freedom for anyone without dissent).  The replies alone aren’t always enough to show it one way or the other.

    • Guest

      Not that I flag them, but I don’t believe freedom of expression extends to lying.

      • Fredrika

        > “Not that I flag them, but I don’t believe freedom of expression extends to lying.”

        It does actually, but what it doesn’t cover is the right to post comments on platforms belonging to others, as in this case. Posting comments on Torrentfreak is not a right, it’s a privilege, and Torrentfreak set their own rules.

    • Fredrika

      > “First, its freedom of expression.”

      It is not. Posting comments on a platform belonging to another party, in this case Torrentfreak, is not a right as in freedom of expression, it’s a privilege. But i do agree that their comments shouldn’t be flagged/deleted, even when they step over the line, because such comments always says more about the person writing at than it’s opponents.

  • freakzoid

    Translating a movie is, IN FACT, a piece of art that have it’s own value and you shouldn’t be sued for creating art, dammit.

    Euro2012 Go go Spain!

  • Mumbling Freak

    How fucking rediculous!

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  • Anonymous

    Well now that jsut doesnt make any sense at all dude.
    Total-Web-Anon.tk

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    There is a saying “as you sow, so you will reap”, that’s the boy is now facing.

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  • Brandrep

    1) Unless imposed onto a video, the subtitles are meaningless, so what legal videos would they be used with?
    2) Ripping subtitles and spreading them around is as much copyright infringement as ripping films. People who want everything for free may think it’s okay, but not the people trying to make a living from subtitling. Theft is theft, and stealing videos and subtitles are in no way different from stealing physical objects.

    • DocGerbil100

      1) I’m no expert on the subject, but since most fansubs for a given rip presumably run to the exact same time as video files on foreign-language disks, there’s no obvious reason why fansubs can’t be used with every legally-imported disk a viewer purchases – something clearly of great value to the public, especially considering EU law requires that require member countries not discriminate in law against the disabled or speakers of other languages.

      2) Jesus Tapdancing Christ, what the fuck happened to the trolls on TF?  You used to be convincing-ish, you used to be entertaining, now all we get are endless, fucktarded, phoned-in regurgitations of the utterly obliterated theft argument.  What a total waste of perfectly good bandwidth and rendering-time!  I could be watching a movie or playing Skyrim right now, you stupid fool!

      Come back when you’ve got something original or useful to say.

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  • Anonymous

     MAFIAA I am waiting so much for the day you fall.As soon as you really piss off the General Public here in the States you will suffer the wrath of millions who will gladly tell you to FUCK OFF.
    When you attack the US Public with your BS 6 Strikes yer out or whatever asshole thing you plan this just might be the nail in the coffin for you.
    Right now you may be sitting there glowing (as you pay off our Politicians) but once Mr. Normal starts getting hit  with threatening Letters you will start a landslide of hate towards your greedy scummy Industry.
    I can totally live without ever going near anything you do.I can just read my books or watch INDIE Stuff or better yet get out of the house and see a Local Artist.Good to get out and socialize.Plus there are plenty of NON-MAFIAA Games you can play if you are into gaming.

  • Mikey

    So what’s next capital punishment for talking to your friend about your favourite movie?

  • DERPderp

    People need to go after these people that have this money target them surely there are enough people out here that can make their days here hell on earth.

    One of you Makes their Coffee one of you Makes their Lunch one of You Makes their Bed find out make get to people find them find them
     them Uncomfortable in their creature Comforts take away their serene, Make it so their money appears worthless because they’re worthless as humans just scavenging of those with talent or condeming them for having talent which was not in their forsight,

    CRUSH THIS SECRET EMPIRE OF MONEY YOU PEOPLE CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT THIS 1 Job Find them make them do it them selves Find something on LAWYERS SOLICITORS anything and make them see representing these people are not in their interests.

    Seperate them from the Rest Know their Names Tell EVERYONE

  • Sanity_Vocal

    Actually, in cases where the film or media does not have subtitles, and the website provided them, seemingly, someone on the website or a user of the site has done the translation?

    So if the translation is done, seemingly by ear from dialogue, if it is different from the actual wordings in the script, which would be easy to prove unless the translator has a copy somewhere, how does this translate into Pirating? His own words, his own translation, his own context, his own understanding of the speech. At most you can charge him with narrating. Or doing a running dialogue in parallel.

  • Sanity_Vocal

    As such, if the netherlands wants to fine translators who provide a free service, perhaps the internet community should consider Isolating Netherlands from all internet traffic, seeing that their courts are so anti-everything internet.

    No news on Netherlands and its music and movies, no news on its politicians and actors, no news on its citizens and culture.

    Afterall, we wouldn’t want the Netherland courts and the Blood sucking Corporate entities there to charge us in court for doing anything on the internet, would we?

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    Amy Adams is really cute!

  • Drtdr

    It’s not Z0N3 , It’s D-Z0N3 .

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