Suppressed Report Found Busted Pirate Site Users Were Good Consumers

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July 19, 2011
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In June, police across several countries raided the operators of streaming video links portal Kino.to. This massive operation was one of the largest of its type and site admins and users alike were branded as enemies of the TV and movie business. However, it now appears that in respect of the latter group, the opposite was found to be true.

The June raids against Kino.to, which involved as many as 250 police and other authorities, dwarfed even the 2006 raids against The Pirate Bay.

Following the event the Kino.to site displayed notices which stated that the site had been “closed on suspicion of forming a criminal organization to commit professional copyright infringement.” While noting that several operators of the site had been arrested, it also criticized the site’s users.

“Internet users who illegally pirated or distributed copies of films may be subjected to a criminal prosecution,” read the warning.

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But were the site’s users all criminals hell-bent on destroying the movie industry? According to a report from Telepolis, a recent study found the reverse was true.

The study, which was carried out by Society for Consumer Research (GfK), found that users of pirate sites including Kino.to did not fit the copyright lobby-painted stereotype of parasites who take and never give back.

In fact, the study also found that Internet users treat these services as a preview, a kind of “try before you buy.”

This, the survey claims, leads pirate site users to buy more DVDs, visit the cinema more often and on average spend more than their ‘honest’ counterparts at the box office.

“The users often buy a ticket to the expensive weekend-days,” the report notes.

In the past similar studies have revealed that the same is true for music. People who pirate a lot of music buy significantly more music than those who don’t.

Obviously it would be of great interest to see the report in full, but it appears that is not going to be possible. According to an anonymous GfK source quoted by Telepolis, the findings of the study proved so unpleasant to the company that commissioned the survey that it has now been locked away “in the poison cupboard.”

GfK says it has a policy of not revealing who they conduct research for if their clients don’t want to be exposed. However, they do carry out research for the movie industry. Telepolis go a stage further and call that work “lobbying”.

The GfK source says that the study shows “If you download films, you have an increased interest in the cinema”, which only highlights how stupid it would be for the authorities to carry out their implied threat of prosecuting Kino.to users.

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puddipuddi

I’d like to see those reports leaked on tpb
- http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
  
  I’d add WikiLeaks in your post. I’d LOVE to see that on WikiLeaks.
  - Anon
    
    Well, they both play a role. Wikileaks helps the original source remain anonymous, while thepiratebay helps with decentralised distribution. It is no coincidence that documents released by Wikileaks are also distributed with torrents on thepiratebay.
    - Doing it for the Louise!
      
      I’d love to see it leaked by our new heroine, Louise Boat!
    - TPB
      
      can anyone else confirm that TPB is offline ??? it is for me :((
    - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
      
      That. But WikiLeaks seem to have more credibility in leaking official stuff. Ppl would look at TPB files and go “ROFL” and think it’s a prank from a drunk admin.
      
      But yeah, totally agreed. TPB is not your regular torrent site, it’s a symbol. And we have to thank MAFIAA for this.
- Bonebone1
  
  In my eyes the movie industries are evil to the extreme. So I avoid buying anything that will give them profit, It is hard to tell but I might be less hesitant to buy music and movies if the industry didn’t seem so evil to me… So at least in my case their constant lobbying has only made me want to hate them and run away in another direction instead of going hand on hand.
  - Pissedoffcustomer
    
    i started a personal boycott of anything by the movie/music industry a few months ago following some reports of censorship/extreme actions/ISP coercion. I used to buy plenty of stuff.. thousands of dollars a year.. unfortunately we are too disorganized to do a general boycott (for now) so these evil sobs can actually see how much money we are putting in their pockets.. for now, they won’t get a dime from me.
  - J.Button
    
    Lol you are all effing hypocrites. You religiously download & see movies produced by Hollywood and yet you condemn them. Funny. May be you suckers should talk when you have the balls to stop downloading and really show the movie industry that you can live without whatever they produce.
  - Anonymous
    
    and i follow.i stopped buying anything from the RIAA.MPAA years back and have made sure that as much as possible i buy waht i want used.i do not want any of my money going to these folks who are the real thieves.
    their asinine behavior makes me want to download and not pay.
- Gueras
  
  sure but tpb is offline, enigmax??
  - Glib
    
    Assuredly random downtime.
Deftonesmx17

Imagine that….
I’ve been saying this for years. There are many music artists I have downloaded that I never heard of only to turn around and buy them later because I liked them.

Movies I’ve treated differently, but not in any way like a parasite to the industry. Most movies I download are ones I already own on VHS or DVD. I merely download them for the convience of being able to stream through a device such as my PS3/360.
- Eftertanke
  
  A lot of people have been saying it for years. Maybe sooner or later they’ll listen, but who knows.
  - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
    
    Add me to the crowd. They won’t listen. We are gonna have to win the hard way.
    
    And it takes some reading throught the TF Trolls such as Jack to see it’s gonna be the hard way.
    - puddipuddi
      
      I generally don’t buy music anymore. You’re really just supporting the record companies. I do however, go to concerts often, and buy tshirts and shit.
      
      Movies… If they didn’t make it such a lengthy process to rip and convert movies, I probably never would have started pirating them in the first place. I just want to stream my shit.
      
      Let’s see, buy dvd, rip (8 min). Convert to mkv (30-40 min with dual core). Blu-ray, ha! forget it.
      
      Download SD movie, faster than just ripping it.
    - http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat
      
      They want censorship, not money.
      
      Silly sheeple…
    - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
      
      They want both. Censorship helps them by hiding corruption that generates money. Silly padwan ;)
- http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA
  
  first thought exactly….
  
  “Imagine that” …. fans of content spending the most money on content…
  - Glib
    
    The key is, back in the day, “music enthusiasts” (i.e. me) used to have THOUSANDS of dollars of music they purchased that they don’t even like … many thousands more in stuff they did like. Nowadays, it’s very easy to just get the stuff you like without having to scrounge through a labyrinth of record shops and questionably intelligent employees … in much better copies and without having to re-buy.
    
    Nowadays, the average quality of music is decidedly lower, though there are probably just as many diamonds that come up every year, they’re just completely dwarfed by the poop. “Enthusiasts” now have to search a new labyrinth, it’s called the Internet, and there are generally no free listening rooms to audition potentials.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Gavin-Fielke/719127993 Gavin Fielke
      
      I do like not having to buy rubbish content these days and being able to spend more on the things I do want. I have at times made donations or bought games on multiple formats when they have been brilliant to play but I haven’t noticed them until they met the $10 bargain bin. I like Darkstar One and am going to buy it on the X-Box 360 when it gets cheaper although I would feel better about it if the original creators still owned it and I bought it twice as a physical copy then on steam due to a scratch in my first copy.
  - Glib
    
    The key is, back in the day, “music enthusiasts” (i.e. me) used to have THOUSANDS of dollars of music they purchased that they don’t even like … many thousands more in stuff they did like. Nowadays, it’s very easy to just get the stuff you like without having to scrounge through a labyrinth of record shops and questionably intelligent employees … in much better copies and without having to re-buy.
    
    Nowadays, the average quality of music is decidedly lower, though there are probably just as many diamonds that come up every year, they’re just completely dwarfed by the poop. “Enthusiasts” now have to search a new labyrinth, it’s called the Internet, and there are generally no free listening rooms to audition potentials.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Gavin-Fielke/719127993 Gavin Fielke
  
  I have to say that the Video distributors are starting to make an effort by selling BlueRay Discs with DVD and digital copies included which voids the reason of “too difficult to turn into a .avi”.
  This means the only reason for downloads of those products are
  1. Checking quality of movie, in which case rentals are a pita unless you have something like nettflix, which the studios can stop by releasing enough movie to really give an idea of it instead of the contrived trailers that sometimes mislead in a ridiculous way.
  2. Theft.
  I am only saying this about the movies that come in this formant which I hope will be all in the next year or two.
  I personally like this multiformat idea as BRD for the lounge, DVD for the car, .AVI for on the computer for streaming to the kids room/bedroom or when you are too slack to move off the couch to change a disc.
R S

Well, if we were a more organized bunch, we could all donate to make that company do the study again and then publish the results.

But since we (for the most part) are pretty lazy and totally disorganized we will _not_ come together to do such a thing…

Kinda depressing really.
- Finally they get it
  
  /agree
  
  I think you hit the nail on the head my man
- http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
  
  Yes, we are a chaotic group indeed. But we might plant the idea on EFF’s heads and donate so they can go and ask for some1 with credibility and no bias to conduct said search.
  - R S
    
    Just pay them to do the report, I’m sure they wont need/will do the report again but just use the stats from the last report…
    
    Someone start something on kickstarter or such and lets all donate.
    (I say the above knowing it wont be done… but hoping none the less.)
  - R S
    
    Just pay them to do the report, I’m sure they wont need/will do the report again but just use the stats from the last report…
    
    Someone start something on kickstarter or such and lets all donate.
    (I say the above knowing it wont be done… but hoping none the less.)
    - Anonymous
      
      How much do we need to have them redo a study they did before?
      We might even get a discount :p
    - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
      
      LOL.
      
      No, really, we have to get a few respected researchers/universities doing the thing at the same time with a good sample (2k-3k won’t do, we need something very representative from many parts of the world). And it has to be aleatory as possible.
      
      And everything needs to be open. Sampling process, statistic treatment, hypothesis (if any adopted to help simplify the analysis).
      
      We know the result but it has to be properly proven and credible. Although I think MAFIAA would put any credibility from any source into check if it’s against their agenda.
Finally they get it

It figures that such a report wouldn’t be fully disclosed and on top of that locked up. Also, it shows that people who pirate music / movies such as myself do have an elevated interested in buying its equivalent. I’m not saying all people who pirate this stuff do, but there is a good percentage
Anonymous

No surprise here when such preview before buy describes my life.

It is just a shame this report cannot be seen when without examination of the technical aspects concerning how this survey was conducted then you cannot judge how valid it is and is therefore worth little more than rumour.

I can only start to think someone needs to break into their building and to cart off their “poison cupboard” to see what else they are hiding. If it not technically theft if you plan to return it afterwards but breaking and entering would be a crime.

So we would have to wait for an understanding employee to wikileaks the stuff.
- Quinn
  
  It’s theft even if you plan on returning it afterwords.
  - Anonymous
    
    In the eyes of the law no when theft is when you permantly deprive someone of their property.
    
    Since they later get it back then they have made no loss. That is what we call “borrowing”.
    
    Sure there are plenty of laws to punish such an act but theft is not one of them.
    
    It is best to clarify your intention when you “borrow” something through at note like “we will return these items within 7 days”
    
    It is also best to pay for any damages caused keeping your crime more around the trespass level.
    
    I have a feeling their poison cupboard would be an activist priority.
    - Entegy
      
      Wait what? Breaking into someone property and taking something from them is okay, because you intend to give it back soon? The fact that this report is being hidden is nuts, but so’s that post.
    - DocGerbil100
      
      I might be wrong, Violated, but I’m definitely under the impression that – legally-speaking – borrowing without permission is still theft.
    - DocGerbil100
      
      I might be wrong, Violated, but I’m definitely under the impression that – legally-speaking – borrowing without permission is still theft.
    - Anonymous
      
      Such disbelief. Let me quote the exact law then…
      
      In England and Wales, theft is a statutory offence, created by section 1(1) of the Theft Act 1968, which provides:
      “A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates
      property belonging to another with the intention of
      permanently depriving the other of it”.
      
      There is your proof. I also marked dishonesty like if you take someone’s property by mistake this is not theft provided that you later try to return it.
      
      I do not deny that laws would not be broken but theft is not one of them. The law does judge your intentions.
    - Anonymous
      
      Such disbelief. Let me quote the exact law then…
      
      In England and Wales, theft is a statutory offence, created by section 1(1) of the Theft Act 1968, which provides:
      “A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates
      property belonging to another with the intention of
      permanently depriving the other of it”.
      
      There is your proof. I also marked dishonesty like if you take someone’s property by mistake this is not theft provided that you later try to return it.
      
      I do not deny that laws would not be broken but theft is not one of them. The law does judge your intentions.
    - Anonymous
      
      Such disbelief. Let me quote the exact law then…
      
      In England and Wales, theft is a statutory offence, created by section 1(1) of the Theft Act 1968, which provides:
      “A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates
      property belonging to another with the intention of
      permanently depriving the other of it”.
      
      There is your proof. I also marked dishonesty like if you take someone’s property by mistake this is not theft provided that you later try to return it.
      
      I do not deny that laws would not be broken but theft is not one of them. The law does judge your intentions.
    - Quinn
      
      Perhaps in 1886 in England and Wales it wasn’t considered theft, but multiple legal sources say it is is the rest of the world today.
    - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
      
      I’m with Violated0. It’s not theft. Trespass yes, not theft. I do think there’s a thin line between the definitions though. And even if it isn’t theft it’s a crime heh
    - Quinn
      
      I challenge you to go to a convenience store, grab a newspaper, tell the clerk you’ll bring it back then leave. When you get back the clerk will ring it up for you and expect you to pay for it, and that’s if there isn’t a cop at your residence in ten minutes.
      
      Even something like that, which causes no damages, would be considered theft. It’s still a physical product and you still took it without permission.
  - Scary Devil Monastery
    
    Copyright infringement, no matter the scale, isn’t theft. If someone copied your car and drove off in the copy you would be bereft of literally nothing.
    
    Even in the eyes of pro-copyright law the party which might have a grievance would be the company manufacturing the car in question. Even then the main sticking point would be whether the person copying the car intended to sell the copy as an original or not.
    - Quinn
      
      I wasn’t saying it was. I was responding to a statement that said “If you plan on returning it, it’s not theft.”
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Gavin-Fielke/719127993 Gavin Fielke
      
      Although what you talk of is not theft I think it is not good form if you do not pay for something you would have used as if you have paid the asking price, whatever that is at the time you acquire it.
      I do however not have a problem with renting if you have that option and intend it for single use then return.
http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

Why would they bother with kino.to if they bought legit copies? Something doesnt add up
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin
  
  Hello Jack.
  They use kino.to to see if the product is worth buying or if it’s a load of crap. It’s like watching a trailer. You and your MAFIAA colleagues know this already, but still.
  If it’s crap they’ll probably watch the first bit of the film/music, stop in disgust and delete it. If it’s good, they’ll go and see it in the cinema etc.
  I probably shouldn’t waste my time feeding you and other MAFIAA trolls.
  - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
    
    Trolls indeed. We have been saying this for a while now and all they can do is yell that we are disgusting thieves. As I said above, it’s gonna be the hard way.
  - Scary Devil Monastery
    
    Concur. I’ve watched a few movies by the Cohen brothers two or three times in the cinema, I bought the DVD’s…And i have a “lightweight” copy on my comp which i can watch on my phone on long journeys when high resolution isn’t a necessity.
    
    Going the “legal route” would have cost me no end of hassle and most likely require me to buy, separately, a tailored copy which then due to DRM limitations wouldn’t work on anything but an iPhone.
- Zzzz
  
  Read the article again, this time actually concentrate.
  I know it’s difficult but you can use dictionary.com for those really hard words.
- Anonymous
  
  Because as has been pointed out about a billion times before, it’s much easier for some to download a copy of a movie they own than to spend who knows how much time attempting to rip a copy themselves. You’d have to get the right software for that. Then you’d have to rip it. Then make sure you ripped it correctly. Then perhaps transfer said rip to your iPod or Evo. Then see if it works. If it does, yay you’re done. If it doesn’t go through the entire process all over again and so on and so forth. Basically, it’s less of a hassle for some. And there are no restrictions on a downloaded copy. They are DRM free. They are pretty much compatible with any device. Etc etc etc. (Doesn’t this sound old and familiar yet?)
  
  Also, as it even says in the article. Some people use the site as a “try before you buy” type thing. Why is it fair to pay for something that is unsatisfactory and then not be able to return it? Like this they can check out the first few minutes, say man this rocks and purchase a copy or go see it in theater. Or they can say well this blows, delete it and thus spare their wallets and themselves abuse. And NO, trailers don’t work. They are intentionally misleading.
  
  What doesn’t add up, is how out of this entire article, all you managed to get out of it was “well if they paid for stuff why are they using that site”. Instead of the more appropriate and expected “hmm, so there’s a report that proves ‘pirates’ are actually spending more money on purchasing legitimate copies of movies than the average person (a.k.a. non ‘pirate’) and this report is being suppressed because of it’s not surprising revelation, which is a slap in the face to those in the industries that say to the contrary”. I mean, each of us on a person by person basis lives in our own little world, but come on, here’s an opportunity to prove you’re not a shill and what do you do? You go with a shill type comment.
  
  You ever read The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy series? The character Zaphod Beeblebrox has the most amazing (in the series) sunglasses that you would love and it seems desperately need (if they did in fact exist that is). They were a double pair of Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses, which had been specially designed to help people develop a relaxed attitude to danger. At the first hint of trouble they turn totally black and thus prevent you from seeing anything that might alarm you.
  - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
    
    I’ve read them all. You, sir, win. Jackie needs those glasses indeed. Adjusted to turn black when he accesses pro-file sharing sites.
    
    Great post as always ;)
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Gavin-Fielke/719127993 Gavin Fielke
    
    I have a quad core with 4GB Ram and take an hour or two to recode a DVD then check it all of the way through for sync issues and if it doesn’t work try again, it takes me a few minutes to go to a torrent search engine, find a suitably sized file, read the comments for any issues, then download the torrent file.
    I then wait 15 to 30 minutes to download 90 min of video while I am waiting for the physical disk I ordered from an online store to be delivered.
    Unfortunately my physical impairment and isolated location 300KM from the nearest major city makes this the easiest way to enjoy modern media. In my small town the local video store does not stock many of the movies I would watch and there is no store to sell them to me here either.
- http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat
  
  Jack Murdock = Eric Boehm.
  - Anonymous
    
    The one from Wilmington, DE?
- Anonymous
  
  Yeah, if people can skip through the movies themselves they can’t be fooled by trailers (which in most movies is the best part) and the misleading reviews that give every movie an 8.7 no matter how bad it is.
  
  No, i have no idea why they would try to hide the fact that their product sucks. It seems almost human behavior…
gae

Companies may want to hide these facts from the public to enable them to continue their anti-piracy money making businesses but surely those in charge of the industry must be aware of the truth, if they admit it or not!
- http://b1.ge.tt/9HcVE26/niceskirt.html w3ts1ut
  
  Oh of course they’re aware, but like any power-mongering force they care less about the truth and more about their egos, keeping their identity alive and never showing weakness – since after all they are heavily swayed by other corporate forces, one of their schemes being to utilize the justice system in unjust ways.
  
  Their agendas are not concerned with honesty, they look inwards to themselves rather than out to consumers – each day, each passing news article, RATM’s “Take the power back” comes to mind.
Foff

Obviously those who download are those who are interested. Those who do not are not are as interested in music or movies. I say there are two groups of down loaders. One group appears to consume after trying while another would not consume under most conditions. I would guess if the ability to download was completely taken away the latter group would rent, wait to watch it free on the television or not bother at all.

I am in the second group. If I could not download I would not bother. The truth is most of the terabytes of stuff I have downloaded I have not even bothered to watch, read or listen to. I have found that most downloaded stuff except for music becomes obsolete and/or old very fast.

The point is not all of want or care about cable or can even afford it and we don’t run around with ear buds glued to our ears. The computer or internet has allowed us to pick stuff al a carte. However the industry has not responded to that demand. When they do the pricing is usually way to high. Cable is about $30 a month for 24/7 all you can watch. Which in my mind means a movie or tv show that lasts an hour or two is only only worth a few cents at most. So as I have said before when the industry can get out of the ownership mode and get into the service mode then and only then will most piracy die. The reason for the success of Apple corp is they deliver a service not just a piece of hardware or software but a whole package. I am not crazy about this company and don’t like their pricing but they have demonstrated the concept.

The copyright orgs have deceived the industry about the effect of piracy. Movie theaters are still full with those that want to go. Walmart still sells dvd’s like crazy so the fears pushed by these orgs that the industry is losing millions is just not true. They may lose a sale or two but the amount expended fighting piracy far exceeds the any potential losses.
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cgimusic

It’s good that GfK actually had the guts to come back with the honest results of the research. Most companies would have just given the entertainment industry the results they wanted.
Anonymous

I bet if a whistleblower came forward and asked for donations to help him out while he looks for a new job, after he leaked the contents of that report, he would get tons of donations (I would personally give around a thousand CAD).
Joe

Sidetopic:
Anyone have access to the pirate bay? seems to be under maintenance..
Guestsss

Corporation just dont understand human behavior, all they know is that we watch for free and they losing profit. I totally agree with the research above i wasn’t a movie lover at first but after watch fews upload movies or series for free i start begin my interest in that type of series so when ever news transformer or harry potter coming out, im alway going to the midnight screening…
they need to stop looking at one perspective, and actually go out and try to improve how they do their business.
Guestsss

Corporation just dont understand human behavior, all they know is that we watch for free and they losing profit. I totally agree with the research above i wasn’t a movie lover at first but after watch fews upload movies or series for free i start begin my interest in that type of series so when ever news transformer or harry potter coming out, im alway going to the midnight screening…
they need to stop looking at one perspective, and actually go out and try to improve how they do their business.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Gavin-Fielke/719127993 Gavin Fielke
  
  I am currently watching one series that is a US made remake of an Australian series which is broadcast in Australia a few weeks after it is in the US. Guess which countries broadcast I watch.
alyssablindy

This article is the classic file drawer effect. Damn.
“The problem of selective reporting is not limited to students reporting family legends; it is a major problem for researchers as well. An example is the file drawer effect . Results of experiments that come out “wrong” (do not meet expectations or produce negative results) tend to be forgotten. They are “left in a file drawer” and never published. On the other hand, results that confirm the bias of scientists or produce a positive effect in an experiment are more likely to be published. With time, this can easily create the impression of a powerful effect, because studies that fail to show the effect are never published.”
http://www.psywww.com/intropsych/ch04_senses/selective_reporting.html
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Gavin-Fielke/719127993 Gavin Fielke
  
  It is a good thing that Drug companies are banned from doing this kind of selective research.
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hmm

off topic piratebay down
- Brandon
  
  I hate when that happens….
- Anonymous
  
  Yes the TPB is down. Most likely they are upgrading or making changes.
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Guest

“A lot of people have been saying it for years. Maybe sooner or later they’ll listen, but who knows. ”

No, because we are going to kill them all.
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Cavelord

Are suppressed reports like suppressed memories? They’ll come back later on, and really screw you up…
- Anonymous
  
  Well there is no harm in asking them the price involved to have their survey data turned over to one of us. As it is this report has no value to the organization who paid them to get it when it is not what they want to hear. So getting some return to them may be of interest.
  
  I would suspect though their “poison cupboard” contains many such unwanted reports and surveys on many different subjects that are now locked away forever at their master’s request.
  
  So the only way to read them is if someone internal or external to this company has a strong enough will to liberate them.
  
  I dont think they would lose any sleep over it.
Mreynolds79

is piratebay gonna be working again im so confused i just found the place last nite
- Anonymous
  
  The Pirate Bay working again is about as likely as the Sun rising. They don’t call themselves “The world’s most resilient bittorrent site” for no reason.
  
  Reasons for down time in order usually is…
  
  1. Upgrades
  2. Overloaded
  3. They got hacked
  4. ISP changes
  5. What the copyright side does.
  
  Well while people wait why not visit torrentz.eu instead to see what else the BT world offers.
Mreynolds79

is piratebay gonna be working again im so confused i just found the place last nite
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someone else

If someone has already pointed this out, sorry for being redundant. Didn’t U.S. Congress committee do some research and come up with the same conclusion? I could have sworn I read that somewhere. If anyone can confirm this, please leave a link to that report.
someone else

If someone has already pointed this out, sorry for being redundant. Didn’t U.S. Congress committee do some research and come up with the same conclusion? I could have sworn I read that somewhere. If anyone can confirm this, please leave a link to that report.
Phatey

its funny because when i heard they took TPB down, I thought, “I won’t be buying anymore dvds”. I would always buy the ones I liked, bc the quality is shwag on my pc. “whosoever diggeth a pit, shall fall in it”
Fittingrrp

Can you please break up my brothers relationship, he’s an ass.
Mreynolds79

does any oned know if they will be back up again or not
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DRuNKeN MaSTeR

I really, really, really do hope that this gets out somehow…
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I buy pink sheet

If the movie industry dont want me to watch their films, I will not pay for them.
If the movie industry want me to watch their films, i will pay for them.
Your call…
Ahnon

I don’t see what everyone is getting excited about. Sure pirates spend more cash buying things, but they also download tons of things without paying, likely much more than non-pirate consumers. Thus, the ratio of pirated to bought items is likely higher in pirates compared to non-pirates, thus still likely to draw concern from the industry.
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  However, as the actual loss (as opposed to imagined loss) of any free sharing is of course zero, the industry is still better off in real terms (rather than cocaine-addled frothing at the mouth fantasy) with the pirate customers.
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InnerDemon

Stepped out of the line
Like a sheep runs from the herd
Marching out of time
To my own beat now
The only way I know

One light, one mind
Flashing in the dark
Blinded by the silence of a thousand broken hearts
“For crying out loud”, she screamed unto me
A free for all
Fuck ‘em all
You are your own sight

‘Cause I want to be the minority
I don’t need your authority
Down with the moral majority
‘Cause I want to be the minority
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I still can’t wrap my mind around the movie industry having record profits, yet complain about the bane of file-sharing. It seems that the only thing file-sharing really does is make good movies more popular and make bad movies less popular. When you can watch a movie before you buy it, you can make a smart decision as to whether you’d like to own it.

It’s called being a “smart consumer”, and movies studios hate it.
bhaggy

I downloaded Ice Age 2012 recently. I’m really glad I did. I’d hate to have paid any cash for it.
I downloaded Megamind a while ago, primarily for my son. Excellent film. Almost worth the money I paid for the DVD for the additional quality and content. OK, not quite worth it but that is a different argument.
if I’m representative of downloaders and I believe I am, I’ve spent more on DVDs than I would have done if I didn’t download, due to the exposure to good films. Before I downloaded, I had Sky so waited for films to come out on that and would record what I wanted to keep (remember VHS?) Are the studios missing out? I don’t think so.
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