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The War Against Movie and TV Show Linking Websites

In June 2010, several well known websites that linked to movies and TV shows lost their domain names as the U.S. Government’s ‘Operation in Our Sites’ bared its teeth. But the war against linking sites has been going on for some time, much of it off the mainstream radar, with site owners being hit by negative decisions and damages awards running to millions of dollars.

As part of a initiative cracking down on Internet piracy and counterfeiting, at the end of June U.S. Immigration and Customs and the Department of Justice took action against nine web portals suspected of linking to first-run movies. Seven sites had their domains seized – TVShack.net, Movies-Links.TV, FilesPump.com, Now-Movies.com, PlanetMoviez.com, ThePirateCity.org and ZML.com. Raids were also carried out against the popular NinjaVideo site.

But these were only the most recent steps taken by movie industry companies and their agents to take down such websites. Action against a significant number of others has been going on for some time. Several large linking websites operated by mostly U.S. citizens have been sued in recent times.

In this article we take a look at some of them, and the large damages awards ordered against operators. The summaries below are followed up with some analysis and the uneasy realization that although cases are being ‘lost’ all the time, the law remains untested.

Paramount Pictures / Universal Studios v Omegatube.com / Atomicmovies.com

These two sites were sued in December 2008. The studios got a court order and discovered the owners’ idenitities – they were Canadians. The studios could not discover any contact information for Pilippe Bruno and 9190-3864 Quebec Inc. The third defendant, Michaud, was served but did not respond to the studios’ letters or emails. Since Michaud did not reply but was served, he lost by default. In the end, the studios simply dismissed the lawsuit against all parties, most likely because the owners were not U.S. citizens.

Warner Bros. / Paramount Pictures v Movies-On-Demand.TV ( Began 2008)

Salman Haque, the owner of Movies-On-Demand.TV, entered negotiations with the studios. He pleaded guilty to contributory copyright infringement and agreed to pay 2.1 million USD to the studios. The trial ended in January 2010.

Warner Bros. / Paramount Pictures v Watch-movies-online.tv (Began 2008)

‘Vladimir Kramskoy’ lost by default, since no one was able to discover his true identity. Assumed to be in Russia. Studios did nothing, trial ends 2010.

Universal City Studios v VideoHybrid.com (Began 2007)

Defendants engaged in contributory copyright infringement and inducement of copyright infringement by identifying, organizing, and indexing on the website (www.videohybrid.com) links to infringing material, which had been posted on third-party websites. Defendant was found liable for damages of $1,075,000.

Disney v FOMDB.com (Began 2008)

Defendant found liable for damages totaling $300,000.

Universal City Studios Productions LLLP et al v. YouTVpc.com et al (Began 2007)

Defendants Billy Duran and Sam Martinez lost their case by not defending themselves. They were ordered to pay statutory damages of $875,000.00, attorneys fees of $21,100.00 and plaintiff’s costs of $6,017.17.

Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. et al v. Nabolister.com et al

Based on Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. and Disney Enterprises, Inc.’s Notice of Voluntary Dismissal, which was filed on February 22, 2010, the Court dismissed the case without prejudice. Owners were Canadians, and later closed the site.

Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. et al v. Peekvid.com et al

The MPAA hired private investigators who presented testimony in the trial. Defendant Frank Meadows represented himself, did not have a lawyer and was unable to defend his point of view. A Default Judgment was issued against Peekvid. Frank Meadows was found liable for damages totaling $2,500,000.

Disney Enterprises, Inc. et al v. 66Stage.com et al

Defendants were found liable for damages to the studios of $500,000 after a ‘consent judgment’. This meant that both parties agreed to settle without a trial.

Discussion

All lawsuits listed above called for the determination of the same question of law. Each lawsuit involved claims of “contributory copyright infringement” because the owners of the sites provide links to copyrighted TV shows or movies.

Initially, studios do not know who owns a site so they obtain a court order to find out. This is an action that cannot take more than 60-90 days. If they fail to identify and serve the owners, the lawsuit will be dismissed due to lack of prosecution. After the owners are discovered, they are added to the lawsuit.

All of the cases that had a favorable outcome for the studios involved US citizens who operated the sites in the US. The lawsuits against websites with Canadian owners were dismissed voluntarily by the studios.

In all of the cases presented, the websites lost by default judgment or they decided to settle in favor of the studios in order to avoid a lawsuit. This means that a crucial question of law remains unanswered:

Is it contributory copyright infringement to provide links to copyrighted content?

There are many facets to this question but all remain unanswered because a full trial did not take place. Among the faces and facets of this question are;

Is it infringement if:

- You link to copyrighted content but you don’t know it’s copyrighted?
- You operate a search engine which links to vast content, some copyrighted? (Google says no!)
- If you use and apply all the directions of the DMCA?

Furthermore, how do the safe harbors for Search Engines apply in such cases? (see OCCILA)

The problem is very complex and we still have no answer even in the US, the most litigious country and the spearhead of copyright/intellectual property law. Instead, new questions have to be answered.

How are ICE/US Customs able to seize domain names when there is no legal precedent and no judgment (even in the US) on the legality of such websites? This seems more like an abuse of power. Also, why is a taxpayer-funded institution serving the interests of private industry and studios?

An interesting side note is that the UK site TV-Links.co.uk was sued in UK and won it’s lengthy trial. This would set a precedent at least in the UK/European Union that in some conditions, these website owners do not do anything illegal. In relation to Section 17 of the European Commerce Directive 2000, TV-Links was a conduit of information and was afforded a complete defense in criminal proceedings for linking to other websites.

Despite extensive legal action, the question of legality of linking websites in the United States still remains unanswered.

This was a guest post from Searchfreek, a keen observer of developing linking sites and law. He can be contacted via searchfreak[at]yahoo.com.

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  • SearchFreek

    Hi.

    I’ll be around to answer any comments or questions you guys have.

    PS: Engimax : FIRST ! :))

  • Tv Links (Dave)

    Yay another mention :)

    Peekvid defended himself! what a fool!

  • SearchFreek

    They all made these mistakes.

    Nevertheless, the US is the worse jurisdiction for copyright related cases.

  • Anonymous

    Nice post SearchFreek!

    I like how they could never locate the watch-movies.net guys XD

  • Mr.Rec

    tvshack still works, just with a new domain. I love it! .cc ;)

  • asdf

    I think they can only blame them self, sure the amount of money is fucked up and they will never be able to pay it but still.

  • Screagle.com

    Very interesting read, could it be brown underwear time for us folks who have just launched a website that links directly to “copyrighted property”?

  • Anonymous

    “why is a taxpayer-funded institution serving the interests of private industry and studios?”

    nice question ^^

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  • SearchFreek

    Screagle.com: Yes, it could be. But they are counting that you will not go to a full trial.

    It all depends on what you’re doing exactly.

    Mr.Rec: Yes, tvshack is back with a new domain name. Their ( ICE/Customs) internal report will state that their operation was not really succesfull. TVShack’s traffic is back at previous levels.

    Anonymous#4: Thank you. Russia is a big country :)).

  • TerribleTony

    Well, at least we get new sites to visit every couple of months.

    The world will continue to share, and there is nothing that can be done (even though there is lots that can be done, but it’s a endless game of whack-o-mole).

    The great thing is that it costs these dirty corporations lots and lots of money to shut down these websites, and yet anyone can start a website for very little cost.

    Haha, you lose media idustry.

  • illunatic

    so basically: don’t be american.

  • FuzzyX

    I guess it is easy enough to establish a domain using a false name like I. P. Freely.

    Domains and hosting need paying for using untraceable funds.

    Then just avoiding being IP logged.

    Not having valid contact and assumed foreign national also helps.

  • wat?

    All those web sites sucked anyways. No losses here tbhwy.

  • Reggit

    Given the legality of linking websites has not been proven one way or the other – what happens to all the people who have been sued if at some point in the future linking websites go the way of Google and are shown to be completley legal?

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  • lilars

    Wonderful! I’m proud to be a Canadian.

  • Adam

    Moral of the story, be British, or host out side of USA under an alias. Then you follow the old motto, Caring is Sharing.

  • Tim Kuik

    No question this is illegal in the Netherlands. Situation clear in the Netherlands. Link to illegal content is unlawful (even if not a direct infringement) and site that structurally links to infringing content is unlawful. NTD policy is insufficient for such a site, it must exert preventive supervision to avoid posting of links for which there is a valid doubt that they concern authorized content. Such valid doubt exists for all commercially produced content such as films and tv series. All established in jurisprudence by copyright protector BREIN foundation.

  • SearchFreek

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    #Tim Kuik: It’s very important to have BREIN’s opinion listed here.

    As you well say, this is a complex issue, and in some cases, it it may be obvious that the website is conducting an illegal operation.

    But a very strict set of circumstances must apply in order to rule that the website is conducting an illegal operation.

    Regarding your point about preventive supervision: my understanding is that the law does not go so far.

    It is not the legal obligation of any operator ( ISP, website) to police copyrights.

    A website or ISP does not have the abilities( it’s not a court of law, it has no lawyers) to decide if a page contains copyrighted content or not.

    ########################

    Suing and asking millions from poor people will make them martyrs.

    These are very complex issues, people must work together ( industry, industry lobby, website operators, clients), not against each other.

  • BIOS

    Interesting read. I, too, have been wondering how anyone can seize a domain name for any reason and pull it off the internet. If that isn’t way too much control, what is?

  • Citizen Smif

    Is it infringement if:

    - You link to copyrighted content but you don’t know it’s copyrighted?
    - You operate a search engine which links to vast content, some copyrighted? (Google says no!)

    The thing I really don’t get here is that almost everything out there is copyrighted. A simple example would be the Amazon.com website. That is copyrighted, yet I’ve never heard of anyone being sued for linking to it.

    So surely the question here is whether the distributor of the copyrighted information has the necessary rights to do so. If not, then I guess anyone that ever links to anything is to be at risk of being held liable for [contributory] copyright infringement if it turns out the actual distributor of the linked material is infringing on rights.

    So what am I missing here?

  • SearchFreek

    #CitizenSmif: You’re not missing anything.

    The problems of copyright are becoming so complex that even lawmakers and law protectors/enforcers are having a hard time knowing what is legal and not.

    I would add a quote from one of my professors on IP law, Lawerence Lessig:

    “We’re building a technology that takes the magic of Kodak, mixes moving images and sound, and adds a space for commentary and an opportunity to spread that creativity everywhere. But we’re building the law to close down that technology.”

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  • Anonymous

    All these corporations of parasites? let’s kill them all!

  • hms-one

    So, no real legal precedent, but the case law is not looking good. This whole contributory/inducement argument really disturbs me, as do these massive default awards to massive corporate distributors.

    The use of public funding to enforce corporate interests is the most scary tho. America has to much power over the infrastructure of the internet, and we are using that power unwisely.

  • Anonymous

    When the governement itself break the law, there is no law and citizen are advised to do whatever they have to do to protect there interest against the corporations of parasites.

  • Droopy

    I believe that intent is the main issue here.. it’s extremely difficult to prove that intent to facilitate copyright infringement does not exist on such sites.

    Using the DMCA Safe-Harbor defense of co-operating with copyright holders if they bring to attention to the stuff linked to on your site will only get you so far.. and if you go out of your way to create a site that’s branded and obviously designed to aid and abet infringement then what possible defense can there be for it?

  • omg

    please someone register the .BT domain for bitorrent user only

  • SearchFreek

    #hms-one 22: a default judgement means that whatever the studios asked for, they are granted just that.

    The studios asked for 1-2 million USD, the owner lost by default ( he did not respond, he did not ddefend himself, so on and so forth), so the studios were granted what they asked for.

    I don’t believe that any of those owners paid those sums. They probably filed for bankruptcy.

  • SearchFreek

    #24 Droopy:

    True – Good point. Those sites that I presented and those that were part of operation “In our sites” fall in this category.

    There are other points to be made:

    A. If I steal a CD from a shop in California, I’m fined 1000 USD. If I download 10 songs, I’m liable for up to 1.5 Million USD. ( first felony).

    B. Even legal businesses have issues with these laws and with the fact that the whole process is so complex.

    Maybe you link by mistake to some shows which are copyrighted. Then you get a lawsuit that can cost you Millions. How’s that fair ?

  • Pirate Till I Die

    “if you go out of your way to create a site that’s branded and obviously designed to aid and abet infringement then what possible defense can there be for it?”

    The government is corrupt around the world and mafiaa is corrupt also. That is the defense. Basically give them this:

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    ………………..,/¯../
    ………………./…./
    …………./´¯/’…’/´¯¯`·¸
    ………./’/…/…./……./¨¯\
    ……..(‘(…´…´…. ¯~/’…’)
    ………\……………..’…../
    ……….”…\………. _.·´
    …………\…………..(
    …………..\………….\…

    “I honestly couldn’t care less about Usenet sites and what happens to them. They make money off free content and are parasites.”

    “I honestly couldn’t care less about Kazaa and what happens to it, only noobs use it.”

    “I honestly couldn’t care less about Rapidshare and what happens to it, it sucks.”

    “I honestly couldn’t care less about those public torrent sites that were taken down, only noobs use public sites.”

    “I honestly couldn’t care less about those private torrent sites that got raided, they were all a bunch of arrogant snobs.”

    “Hey, where’d all the good stuff go? How come there’s nothing left to download?”

    I won’t let that happen, I will pirate & stream till I die and my work will live on…

  • bah

    I would like to know how a civil suit which I believe these are (am I right?) can be paid for by tax payer. And then the defendant having to pay plaintiff fees, I thought these are usually paid if the plaintiff (the movie studios) had forked out the monies themselves.

  • Pirate Till I Die

    I advise everyone to pirate/stream post shares etc and do everything they can to keep information open… Sharing is Caring.

  • SearchFreek

    My main point in the comment above:

    The legal system doesn’t work. Or more accurately, it doesn’t work for anyone except those with the most resources.

    It’s unfair, unjust. It should not be this way.

  • Lothor The Evil

    If the movie/music industries go bankrupt, it won’t be because of piracy, it will be because of all the money they waste on lawsuits.
    Even lawsuits they win that grant them hundreds of thousands of dollars, or millions, they actually lose money because people either can’t afford to pay it, file bankruptcy, or refuse to pay anything at all.
    It’s stupid they waste money like this with recovering only a very small percentage to nothing at all.
    I think they don’t care much about the money. It’s all about complete control over the people, keeping them in fear, and they get off on ruining peoples lives.

  • Cordelia

    How do they pay for services etc things without revealing their identity through using bank / credit cards?

    For example the Canadian and Russian guys mentioned in the article….

    What anonymous means of payment exist?

  • SearchFreek

    #Cordelia: Western Union and similar.

  • Afficianado

    Excellent article, and top responses.

  • The United Hackers Association

    you also forget to mention the p2pnet.net case inc Canada where John the site owner won about a link to potentially infringing material. As the judge said its up to the user to decide to click on a link and break a law not a website owner.

    sanity in canada….
    This really again leaves the USofIP with very few friends again.

  • Booger Bender

    waves @ SearchFreek
    ahoy!

  • awesome

    you’ve already lost the war, idiots

    these dickheads need to understand that sharing stuff will never end, they are just creating holes in the fucking ocean.

  • Gargamel

    Why would someone use sh!tty streaming sites.

  • jojo

    so links are a violation? that is complete bs.

  • Rob

    There’s TV shows worth watching…. not likely!

    I can’t stand TV anymore and the movies that come out now are junk as well!

  • Anonymous

    Good Article Searchfreak,

    The contributory/inducement crap is pure bs. This is made up law the pro copyright orgs use to pursue lawsuits that have no merit.

    I believe orgs like the MPAA and Riaa ought to be banned. I don’t think these orgs have returned anything ever to those they claim to represent.

    In the same vein the lawyers what is the point of any of these lawsuits. None of the judgements are remotely collectible. Not only that the studios did nothing but pee in the wind. Unless the whole internet is shut down all efforts at stopping file sharing are pretty remote. If something I want has been deleted at hotfile or rapidshare or whatevershare I can find it in a torrent and If I used usnet I could find it there.

    What I don’t understand is why none of the people that run these sites don’t form a corporation and hide behind the corporate veil. If I was going to run such a site I would do it through an offshore corp owed by another off shore corp owned by several others.

  • Anonymous

    @32 “The legal system doesn’t work. Or more accurately, it doesn’t work for anyone except those with the most resources.

    It’s unfair, unjust. It should not be this way.”

    it is not just unfair and unjust it is unsustainable and the all system is cracking right now as we speak.

  • lolol

    @28 your wrong about that, stealing 1 cd you get fined for a grand sure but your wrong about downloading 10 songs. It’s not just the downloading your are sued for, it is also the sharing, this is where they get you. If you download from something like usenet irc rs mu or anything that is a direct download the chances of them catching you is slim to none because they can’t track you. Using a torrent emule or any other p2p software to get your stuff means you upload as well as download and that’s the problem. That’s why the fines are so large, your 10 songs turn into 10 songs downloaded and in their eyes 1000 songs uploaded and they would and do see it as 10 songs shared 100 times is 1000 different fines.

  • Drake3

    They need to reform the court system the way they are thinking of doing it for other aspects of politics, like political campaigns.

    They need to put a limit on how much can be spent on a court case, or only allow each party to spend the same amount. Everyone is supposed to have a right to a FAIR trial, right? How is it fair when one party can spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of man-hours to fight for their side when the other party doesn’t even have enough to afford a lawyer and has to use the public defender, who only has a few man-hours to devote to each of the many clients who need them.

    It is no wonder that laws tend to favor large corporations.

  • some random noob

    so that’s why we should become ‘user’ not ‘provider’ same with drugs. i miss movie links site.

  • ProllyGonnaGitFlamed

    Popular sites make money.

    To profit from piracy is wrong.

    I have always hated and avoided sites that flood users with adds and/or demand donations to keep the site open.

    People complain about money not going to artists and to cut out the middle men. Well, these sites are just middle men that profit from sharing.

    People that make the files (music,movies,etc…) don’t make money from piracy but they still do it. Then why do linking sites have the mentality that its not worth it if they don’t make money. Without these site the warez will still be there, just lazy people will suffer.

    I am downloader believe it or not.

  • Anonymous

    @ProllyGonnaGitFlamed

    Uh… Hello?

    There’s a difference between revenue and profit. Popular sites need to have a steady revenue stream or else their owners will no longer be able to afford to keep them online.

    That’s why they have ads and ask for donations. Bandwidth costs money. It’s all about covering the operating costs.

    Not making a profit, which they very likely aren’t making at all.

  • ProllyGonnaGitFlamed

    @Anonymous

    Ok.. so imagine, file sharing becomes acceptable world wide… free music, movies, apps, etc… for everyone.

    Now imagine who would pay for production costs for the things you download.

    NO ONE because “you need to have a steady revenue or else they will no longer be able to afford to produce your warez”

    Grow up and think about it if you can.

  • MeepMeep

    @ProllyGonnaGitFlamed

    Off course they are making big money from the ads, so i dont mind if they take all those streaming sites down.

    And im a dl-er sharer too on private trackers that is.

  • shekarwola

    Using the DMCA safe harbor defense to cooperate with copyright holders if they bring attention to the things of a link on your site it does now.

  • Jonas

    Do you know did they kill planetsuzy too?

  • Drake3

    “Now imagine who would pay for production costs for the things you download.

    NO ONE”

    I find that hard to believe. If no new content was being produced, (an unlikely event as is) people would fund projects to get things working again. Now, I will admit that it won’t be the massive scale funding which is keeping the massive hollywood industies afloat, but saying that no one will pay or that no original work will be produced is just foolish and unrealistic.

  • Lolme

    letmewatchthis is probably the best linking site out there at the moment.

    Just shows, if your US, don’t start warez/linking sites. DUrr

  • Lessons

    What have we learned from these?

    1) Don’t be an idiot and run a highly visible site with your real name, contact info and a traceable identity. That’s just asking for trouble.

    2) If you do end up in court, don’t think you’re friggin’ Matlock and defend yourself. That’s just beyond stupid – you *will* lose.

  • Anonymous

    @48 Sep 11, 2010 at 07:40 by ProllyGonnaGitFlamed
    http://torrentfreak.com/the-war-against-movie-and-tv-show-linking-websites-100910/#comment-704151

    Sure like the Romans never did anything the Persians never did anything the Qin dynasty never produced anything, monks never produced anything, cavemen never produced anything, story tellers never produced anything, open movies never produced anything, Jamendo has no artists, there is not a thousands books on the public domain, open source never produced anything.

    I don’t even need to pirate anything anymore, but I do it just to piss on the other side, if they disappear tomorrow and not one bit of video, image or sound comes out of big ol’ media ever again I wouldn’t care and that is how wrong your statement is.

  • Anonymous

    @48

    “I am downloader believe it or not.”

    of course you are because you don’t believe yourself your righteous stand about downloading. You are like these evangelists who shit their wife and steal.

    You know perfectly well that 95% of torrent sites are not in for the money and are not making any.

    This is why they always come back just like the pirate bay.

  • Miquel

    Hi there!

    Interesting post.
    What about Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc. v. Fung, though?

    Best

  • Herp a Derp

    warez-bb have over 2million members, they host in hong kong ;)

  • SearchFreek

    #59 Miquel: we will look into that aswell

  • Anonymous

    Ninjavideo atleast deserves everything that is coming their way. They not only hosted the actual content themselves, but did it with the clear intent of profiting from it. They spread spyware and virus both intentionally (the javascript application required to watch their videos) and unintentionally(through advertisements), so I really can’t feel any symptahy for them.

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    is the place where i managed to get the new kim kardashian sex tape download hookup. probably one of the better ones i’ve ever seen.

  • Pam

    @ #62 … you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Do you really think that if Ninja was spreading spyware and viruses that they would have had that many users? Just because you got a virus doesnt mean it came from Ninja.

    And how do you know where content was hosted? Silly child. You have no clue. I love it when people try to act like they know something about the situation “with the clear intent to profit”…lol – If you think that was the main purpose of Ninja then you are proving my point that you don’t know anything about the site or the people there.

    Thank you SearchFreak for this article. I’d love to talk to you further about this. I’m going to try to find your email. :)

  • Jay

    @62
    It’s funny that you say that. Obviously, another person seems to have gotten the idea that they can badmouth ONE site out of nine that have been illegally taken down. Personally, I have found that some of the communities in question haven’t done anything wrong and did their best by their communities. Do they truly deserve to have their personal freedoms taken away because a movie studio decided that the law should favor them?

    Perhaps, you decided that trolling or you decided not to fit in with that community. It seems that the better idea is if you have to talk negatively about others, you should look at yourself in a mirror.

  • Cordelia

    @SearchFreak — Thanks for the advice about anonymous payment.

    I have long thought that money is the “weak link” in online safety; somehow you have to pay for any serious services….

    I had never used Western Union and did not know it could be used anonymously. I thought the US and others had put a stop to anonymous payments, using terrorism and tax evasion as excuses.. Glad to know I was wrong.

  • Ninja

    I think nobody went for a full trial for fear. MAFIAA has been using the scare tatic for a while. While it’s less effective today than it was previously it does work. With proper argumentation and providing you took precautionary measures while operating to be as legal as possible you could even question the copyright law itself on a trial.

    When all file-sharers and sites have balls MAFIAA days of threat and suing will be over.

  • megahertz

    ICE won’t enforce the immigration laws of the U.S. because this would adversely affect the commercial interests that hire these illegals,and here still they are not serving the interests of the citizens that pay their salaries
    NOVMEBER CANNOT COME SOON ENOUGH!

  • me

    hou tim kut, gwn opzouten naar de kut americaans mafiaa

  • DannyBoy

    @21 SearchFreek well said, that’s all these parasites do is inhibit innovation.

  • bo

    icefilms down for anyone else?

  • C64 FBR2001

    I dont want to go off topic but the comments that follow are only valid if both sides understand the true final goal and I really want to keep this short.

    History:
    1984/85 Started with 300 baud on a Commodore c64.

    Sysop of a very respected BBS ranked very high in the top 10 boards worldwide. Allowing access to “0day Warez”.

    Never took membership fees, no donations, and I never sold anything (Warez or Advertisement space). My parents gave me a c64 for Xmas & I paid for the rest with after school job.

    The commodore 64 sold (I have to look number up) ___ Million Units over number of years.

    300 baud translates to about 30 char per second(hella slow). At 1200/2400 baud I would start a full disk transfer before I went to school and when I get home it would be downloading.

    Telephone calls cost $1.50 or $2.00 per min during primetime (1988-1991).

    This is before the ISP area, Easylink, Sprint, Fido, Telnet, QuantiumLink, other CMD Line boring interfaces either all green or orange (termanals are just brutal vs. todays nice GUI).

    Before Windows 3.10… DOS with 1DirPlus or PeachTree was the best we had.

    I think that the wheel was invented at this time, it was just raw text with no google or yahoo to point you any direction.

    I can add more but looking back as a true “Elite/Hacker/Pirate” from 25 years ago, Under 1000 friends built whats now known as the scene.

    I had well over 10 new games a day (Including demoscene. I could never afford all the software. (Truth be told I never played the games, just look at the Crack/Intro page). But that said the good games, I left on the bbs longer. I was kinda like a CLUB PROMOTER where whatever I liked I share with others (Giving Free Advertiesment for the Company).

    If the Commodore 64 did not sell so many units and have so many games (content) then many would have waited to get a 486, Mine was a gateway2000 that cost over $8,000 and included a 2gb drive and maybe 8mb of memory. My 25″ nec dual monitors cost $8,000 each. and I still have them because they cost so much at the time.

    Hardware for c64 was cheap. Thus todays hardware is cheap and look at the kids avg age today! Want your PC fixed? goto a 4 year old, kids are smart!

    Kids have better access and better tools. I would like to think that what we did 25 years ago was the building blocks of todays generation. And I have to tell ya, when I am 60+ years old those kids are going to be running our legal system. I hope they understand free information and the rights of the content creators equal.

    We have bigger problems and can not afford to make any mistakes on a global level here in the US and Overseas.

    Health Care, Property Values, Madoff’s, Katrina, Bird Flu, 911… You fill in the blanks.

    Advertisement: Its powerful (watch MAD MEN on AMCTV.com) If you sell a product then how about you fund the content being created in return for having your product seen in the movie? I know Coke and Pepsi have done this many times, So I guess we should find a Meth dealer to help promote AMC’s other show Breaking Bad.

    I took my skills learned on the c64, under paid public school teachers, and the boy scouts where I was able share all types of information helping our younger generation.

    Not all hacking is built around games or aimed at corperations. If you get nothing else out of this please take note that I am NOT a rare case.

    Everyone I know take those Beta/VHS tapes and make a copy. We all push the right/wrong side of the needle from time to time. We all want the same thing in the end. Grow old with someone we love and to hope that the next generation has a better quality of life than we did.

    Stay healthy, Be nice to others… Remember that all can be taken away multiple ways listed above and not excluding the laws currently on the books and those about to be passed.

    I own over 4,700 domains at this time. Some are membership sites that are clean of all banners/ads, and also have free sites that offer spots for advertisement.

    I give users the choice – Its all free if you want to take the time and click around banners or if your commercial free uncensored access become a member. *** Do you know the cost of Domain names when I started PER YEAR via Internic… and my HOSTING/SERVER cost in the early 90′s… Not cheap it was hard to offer free, today because of so many users/volume, everyone gets cheaper everything… Quality of Life.

    History lesson over, I hope that my view will help all of us understand and create better future laws.

    Tks

  • C64 FBR2001

    Current TorrentFreak news includes:

    Only 0.03% of torrent traffic is legal. I agree with TF, the sources need to be verified. We all know how to bend the truth.

    TF reports that the Industry makes more today than the past.

    Yesterday the internet had 22% more traffic than average… I find it amazing that a general Tuesday with no Holidays or Major event had a 22% jump in net traffic. Maybe everyone at the office had to watch a new porn movie come out? I want to remind you Google is smart, they know what the public wants more than anyone… they track us all for years… knowing our dirty secrets and things that we never want Mom to find out..

    Facebook is 99% evil. Careful what you post – Facebook lets everyone have access to your information.

    I say the topics just to share the thought… whats 20 years going to be like for education?

    Are they going to be like Craigslist and censor the adult section? btw Tks Craig for keeping CL for the most part free of ads and paid membership. Great business model.

    Tks for letting me have a voice.

  • Section8

    @62 lol@you. Trollface.jpg -_-

    Ninja did not host their videos. They were hosted on megaupload. The javascript app that ninja had was a way to bypass megaupload’s limit and pass the downloaded file into the divx viewer. Nothing was hosted by them at all. As far as viruses and stuff, there were the occasional rogue adds which were promptly taken care of by the ninja team. If you are stupid enough to not have a virus scanner, FOAD.

  • FIBER0PTIC

    @74 Agree with you on the links.

    Firefox apps has neat tool that will bypass those screens on a number of ddl sites.

    As a webmaster of high traffic uncensored sites that allow users to post content this is next to impossible to filter and is direct conflict with freedom of information(link to source).
    Google was listed above and that would show the source and linked pages. What would services like TinyURL and Redirect scripts/hosts react to this.

    If I link to a list on angelfire or a list on craigslist that has links on that page to copyrighted files. How deep would everyone involved be responsible.

    I know how to beat this in court and what should be in a sites disclaimer but does not address the problem of who is responsible. and You cant just say whoever hosts the content is the guilty party, and to say who links to the content is guilty will not work due to the information on users may not be correct.

    I do not collect detailed information on my users other than are you over 18 yes/no and is this content leagal to view in your area. If you say yes to both than username is created and you then enter a password for later use. I do not ask for email addresses or any other information. If you lose your password I can’t help you due to no other information is saved (create a new account).

    If I did collect this information requested by the courts, how would I be able to verify it, and how long must that information be saved?

    Will a group be formed to police this who links to operation? who would pay for that? and the volume of NEW webpages created daily would flood anything created and give an instant backlog of work and the cost of all this back to you in the form of a tax bump.

    It was asked how Bernie Madoff was able to steal so much for so long, I see this as just another way for big brother to step in and take payoffs from another source. Make it legal and uncensored to inform others of where information is located is the only solution.

    If it is legal to post links to pages that have illegal content how will the face of the internet be changed from what we see today?

    If it is illegal to post direct links…What if a pirated movie is split into 2 files, call it PartA and PartB. As a Webmaster I link to only PartA ONLY, Im not linking to movie at this point just 0′s and 1′s – Understanding the in WHOLE or in PART addition.

    Another situation: What if I only display part of the url/link. or as applied to torrents, How much of a movie needs to be located on my local drive to be classified as guilty? 100% 80% 5% 1%, JUST THE NAME typed in notepad could qualify.

    For profit and non-profit websites that link to copyrighted content, are they different in the eyes of the law?

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    searchfreak at@ the very nice yahoo.com

    All my best,

    SearchFreak

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