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TV Site Sued For Linking To Completely Legal Videos

There are thousands of sites that link to video on the Internet and it’s becoming increasingly common for them to be threatened by rightsholders when they link to unauthorized content. However, things have gone a stage further as a site is now being sued by a copyright group for linking to completely legal content provided by official sources.

livemoviesIt’s likely that you’ve never heard of AEPI, the Greek Society for the Protection of Intellectual Property, and by the end of this post you’ll probably wish it would have remained that way.

LiveMovies.gr is a site dedicated to listings of TV shows and movies. While many sites may provide links to torrents or other methods of acquiring content from unauthorized sources, LiveMovies provides a database of information and links to shows being streamed by their official and legitimate providers.

According to the operators of LiveMovies, AEPI is now suing them for “illegally making available” content that they do not have the right to.

“We’ve explained to AEPI in every way possible that livemovies.gr doesn’t ‘present works to the public’ but instead transmits information about the works,” the admins explain. “AEPI sued us, and considers that it has suffered damages worth 10,000 Euros for ‘each illegal act’. The result was the launching of a preliminary felony process against us!”

The admins of LiveMovies say that by means of an extra-judicial statement, they have explained to AEPI that in accordance with both international and local law, “providing links to the official site of a TV station isn’t ‘presenting works to the public’ but transmitting information relevant to said work.”

But the pleas of the site’s operators are falling on deaf ears. They say that AEPI have responded and insist that any LiveMovies user who ‘uploads’ a link to an official TV site can only do so with the explicit authorization of AEPI.

“It’s worth noting that AEPI doesn’t provide a single judicial decision supporting what it invalidly claims, but speaks in general and vague terms of ‘EU Court of Justice case-law‘, obviously referring to the irrelevant decision regarding the hotels’ obligation with regards to the TV sets installed in clients’ rooms,” they add.

It’s clear that LiveMovies are taking this attack very seriously. In response they are now pressing a number of charges against AEPI including fraud and perjury. They have also gone to the very top by reporting the case to the government.

“We have also denounced the case to the Ministry of Culture, which, under law, supervises AEPI and whom we call to assume its duties against this unprecedented and unfair attack against the very concept and function of the Internet,” LiveMovies admin report.

“We also ask for the solidarity of public opinion, so that AEPI finally realizes that we live in an Information society where Intellectual property coexists with other fundamental rights, and sticks to what’s under its jurisdiction, as defined by the law and its statute,” they conclude.

We were going to publish this story yesterday, April 1st, but we were worried that everyone would think it was a hoax. It’s absolutely real.

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  • Anonymous

    facepalm.jpg

    • Anonymous

      well said:

      Make linking illegal….. They would if they could ! .. if technically it isn’t already ?
      .

      If LiveMovies.gr …. actually are
      “” “illegally making available” content that they do not have the right to. “”

      Which I assume IS the case. (not my opinion…stupid thoughtless Law )
      ( BBCiplayer does the same , linking to content from other U.K tv channels )

      What does that tell you about the law that makes linking illegal ?
      Especially when combined with the equally stupid Copyright law that makes EVERYTHING copy-written at source.

      They create a law : “illegally making available” content that they do not have the right to.

      That kills ALL a herf= code. ALL google search results , ALL links…
      Kills the internet, which is by nature link based.
      These anti-pirates and law makers would suck at chess.

      Give me that facepalm.jpg image..

      • Anonymous

        I would give you that facepalm image, but I don’t own the rights so I can’t link it.

        • Legion

          You’re all idiots.

          It’s <a href

        • Legion

          lol parse fail

          ‘ a href ‘

          ;)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Papadakis/1202816341 Nick Papadakis

      Even if the videos are legal and play in accordance to AEPI rules in the linked to website, we can still sue you for providing the link, AEPI says ! The Greek ministry of culture supervising AEPI apparently agrees, or the court case could n’t go ahead.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Papadakis/1202816341 Nick Papadakis

      Anyone who does n’t like your link, or wants money for it, can sue you !
      This may include Google.

  • Oliver Davenport

    Dumb anti-piracy people.

    FIRST!

    • http://twitter.com/therantguy therantguy

      Right but you are the smart douche who keeps the “first” loser trend alive. Congrats, you click on links super quick because you have no life, wow.

      • Sadasd

        What’s life?

        • Mali Kurac

          Getting rapeb by uncle.

  • Oliver Davenport

    Dumb anti-piracy people.

    FIRST!

  • Oliver Davenport

    Whoops. Was first on my screen, must of had the tab open for a while :D

    • AntiTroll

      Sad trollish behaviour. Stop it now, it’s unbecoming, and only brings scorn upon yourself.

  • Oliver Davenport

    Whoops. Was first on my screen, must of had the tab open for a while :D

  • Arb

    you can’t explain anything to those group’s they just keep their head up their ass’s even if its completely legal they look for anything they can sue on

    • No

      Blinded by their own greed, if you will.

      • Anon 5432

        Well I think they just took the public’s advice to find a new business model.

  • Arb

    you can’t explain anything to those group’s they just keep their head up their ass’s even if its completely legal they look for anything they can sue on

  • http://twitter.com/Lirodon Lirodon

    Those Greek always seem to have the most bizarre laws in this department. Remember that bylaw that was supposed to stop gambling but accidentally banned ALL electronic gaming?

    • Trololol

      Accidentally? Yeah, right… XD

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Papadakis/1202816341 Nick Papadakis

      Almost exactly half the shops with electronic gaming were using those machines for gambling. That’s why they were prohibited in 1995. Neverhteless the Greek laws concerning gambling is stupid and extremely archaic. For the case of the video link there is no such law, What is happening is the AEPI lawyers are trying to get the courts to support their case.

  • Davio8

    Hey guys. Check out CNN.com for current news!!

    inb4 fed’s raid my house for linking the site for you guys

    • Karley

      yeah the feds are really dumb. There are sites that list tons of nigerian scammers ripping people off and I have reported like 136 scammers and kept getting more to where I don’t even report it anymore to the scammer419 reporting sites and instead the feds are jacking off and taking people (raiding) for piracy. Meanwhile, they are getting paid to not do real work. Priorities in order, not.

      • sherboil

        Yeah, they are the ones who are dumb.You know Nigeria is a foreign country with it’s own government right?.Why don’t you try complaining to them.

        • Nic

          I know this may shock you…but not all Nigerian scamers are actually in Nigeria. They often, and I know this is hard to believe, the often LIE.

        • Ninja

          Epic. That’s twice as boiled.

    • Noel B

      CNN for news?
      Please dont make me laugh…
      Youd be better off with the old Pravda which had more balanced coverage than CNN’s mouthpiece of the state department.

      Go to Google Video and check out Orwell Rolls In his Grave to give you an idea how mainstreams news are gathered and molded to project the desired message.

      Every story has two sides but you wouldnt know it by watching CNN.

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  • Bunnonion

    One day the people will rise, Try Paris 1792…

  • Mitaine

    Look, this is as clear as day, the powers to be want to kill the internet.
    It is dangerous for people to have opinions, it is dangerous if people spread their opinions…
    They long for the dark ages when THEY controlled the news, when THEY had all the money and all the power…

    We are living in exciting time, we are changing the world! All we need to do is unite under one banner and take back OUR world!

    • bee

      ILLUMINATI

      • anti-Illuminati

        Yep, it’s not bullshit. This world is ruled by few.

      • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

        BEST. CARD. GAME. EVER.

        If anyone with Illuminati is near Portland, let’s play. I’ll bring some Vampire: The Masquerade decks and all my On The Edge cards.

  • DocGerbil100

    Heh. I thought SABAM were the most cretinous anti-piracy organisation in Europe, but it looks like there’s a new contender for the crown. :P

    Looking over their website, AEPI is the Greek equivalent of the IFPI and RIAA and is primarily responsible for collecting revenues for Greek music. I’m not at all clear on why they’re having a go at LiveMovies.gr at all.

    The legal verdict they seem to be relying on as precedent for their demands is a .pdf and apparently too big for Google Translate (and Google Translate being what it is, it probably wouldn’t be very comprehensible anyway). Perhaps there’s a native Greek-speaker reading this who could take a look and tell us what it basically says? (link here and via the link in Enigmax’s article)

    • ndmushroom

      As the article suggests (and as I translated when initially reporting the story to enigmax), it’s a court decision on a case of AEPI vs. Hotel Divani Acropolis regarding whether the hotel has the right to install TV sets in the clients’ rooms without paying licence fees to AEPI for the “public broadcasting” of AEPI works (i.e. the TV stations’ content). Whether TV sets in a hotel room and links to a TV station’s webpage) is the same thing, that’s up to anyone with a brain bigger than a baby’s to decide. Sadly AEPI doesn’t seem to possess a brain that size. :-)

    • ndmushroom

      Oh, and as for AEPI, they started out in the ’30s as the greek RIAA equivalent (there were not that many non-audio works to protect at the time), and are still primarily associated to audio works, but lately they’ve taken an interest in non-audio intellectual property as well. Maybe it was the rise of EPOE (Society for the protection of audiovisual works), responsible for some of the leading torrent and direct download sites being shut down (as covered by TorrentFreak) in the last two or three years (plus an absurd attack on the greek subs scene which succeded in taking down some of the leading greek subs sites at the time) that stirred the property enforcement competition in Greece and triggered AEPI to launch equally absurd attacks. :-)

    • ndmushroom

      Oh, and as for AEPI, they started out in the ’30s as the greek RIAA equivalent (there were not that many non-audio works to protect at the time), and are still primarily associated to audio works, but lately they’ve taken an interest in non-audio intellectual property as well. Maybe it was the rise of EPOE (Society for the protection of audiovisual works), responsible for some of the leading torrent and direct download sites being shut down (as covered by TorrentFreak) in the last two or three years (plus an absurd attack on the greek subs scene which succeded in taking down some of the leading greek subs sites at the time) that stirred the property enforcement competition in Greece and triggered AEPI to launch equally absurd attacks. :-)

  • blaa

    The anti-piracy front has really lost its mind this time o_O

    • Anonymous

      I would say a competent lawyer would help but as always bullying and harassment works better.

      They lost their mind long ago like back in 1980 the MPAA head said the VCR was like the Boston Strangler.

      • Borderliner

        I can actually somewhat understand the Strangler analogy. After all – a new technology had become available, and completelly in accordance with the (neophobic) human nature some folks saw only the bad possibilities.
        However what I don’t understand is why MPAA and the likes refuse to *learn* from the past – as people again and again have pointed out situations like these have existed for a long time, new technologies have emerged that could cause “trouble”, yet the industies have turned these into goldmines. Isn’t the Big Media getting tired of this, whining about new development only to start whining again in a decade or two when this development (which by that time has made some nice $$$) is superceeded by something new`?

      • Borderliner

        I can actually somewhat understand the Strangler analogy. After all – a new technology had become available, and completelly in accordance with the (neophobic) human nature some folks saw only the bad possibilities.
        However what I don’t understand is why MPAA and the likes refuse to *learn* from the past – as people again and again have pointed out situations like these have existed for a long time, new technologies have emerged that could cause “trouble”, yet the industies have turned these into goldmines. Isn’t the Big Media getting tired of this, whining about new development only to start whining again in a decade or two when this development (which by that time has made some nice $$$) is superceeded by something new`?

  • Predator

    This infestation by corporate parasites is getting worst and worst. The disease is progressing and it is time to hit it with chemotherapy.

  • http://billy.wenge-murphy.com/ Billy Wenge-Murphy

    Oh good, we can keep going over and over and over the issue of Deep Linking.

    I was worried that brand of stupid had died out, but it lives on thanks to My Big Fat Greek Lawsuit.

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  • Gae

    soon linking will become illegal and the only way to find new websites will be by friends passing on pieces of paper to each other with ip addresses written on them

  • lol

    Wait… is this a late April fools? :D

  • Aaa

    i would type a comment but am afraid the law will say my words are copywritten and then sue me :( even writing this makes me scared

  • Anonymous

    This is all a case of spotting official content.

    It has been accepted lawful for years that one site can link to pages and content on another site. One reason why modern BT sites enjoy linking to the DVD movie photos on Amazon.

    As long as copyrighted works are not copied elsewhere, and only linked to, then it is lawful. Certainly lawful for officially released media and often lawful for infringing content.

    What is silly here is that since they released it they can control if others link to it or not but they are not doing so.

    They only blame them for linking even if linking is lawful.

  • Guest

    Oh, we know of AEPI alright.
    Dear AEPI: parte tis paparies sas, kante tis rolo kai xostetis stonkolosas!

    :D

  • Neotoasty

    Ok now they’re making it completely clear that they want just money. Try playing fair with them for too long, but they just are too oblivious to realize better.

    Next Up: User sued for linking YouTube video without the uploader’s permission.

  • Adam

    I wanted to post a link to my website but then I would have to sue myself :(

  • Whatever

    They only need money, it is crisis in Greece after all. And all of them going on strike doesn’t help either.

    A mail leak would certainly help here to find fraudulent intentions (but then again fraud is a national sport in Greece).

    But they should sue the source, those TV stations that made it available.

    Imagine if i put a picture on the web with a description “linking allowed”. Then i change the picture to another one (same location and name but remove the text). All sites linking from then on i can sue. That’s why linking should never be illegal. One does not know 24/7 where the link goes.

    offtopic: Has Greece finally found the internet ?
    Greece always seemed to be a decade or 2 behind on internet use.

    • Guest

      re: offtopic… Since I live in Greece and see how things are, I can only tell you how wrong you are ;)

      • Whatever

        So how was it between 2000 and 2002 in Greece with broadband ?

        Let’s just say that from some experience back then (not being in Greece myself or something like that) it seemed like they didn’t even use computers at all.

        Besides if the MAFIAA isn’t able to find any Greek torrent site targets to go after then it only confirms “my idea of Greece”. :-)

        • Guest

          I don’t know where you stayed back then but… since then almost 10 years have passed? There are many phone companies, that offer phone and internet and internet TV (triple play packages if you will, you can pick internet+phone though, that’s what the majority does, me included) and it’s cheap. Gotta love competition:)

          Why does it have to be torrents in the first place?

          IMHO torrents are so 2005, there are better and far safer ways to go.

          I still read TF though, it’s a habit from when I using torrents for a couple of years.
          Also for the comments and lulz :P

    • ndmushroom

      I thank the EU for Greece finally catching up with the rest of … well, the EU on broadband access. It is true that 10 years ago, with telecommunications being an OTE (Greek Telecommunications Organization) monopoly, Greece was “discovering” ISDN while the rest of the world was happily downloading using their DSL access (I had to use my Uni’s cable connection to donwload stuff for my entire neigborhood), but things have changed a lot since then. There’s many companies offering high speed internet at relatively cheap prices (a lot faster and a lot cheaper than certain other “western” EU member states, such as the one I live in now).
      As for MPAA not targeting greek torrent sites, this is a. not entirely true (there have been major attacks on the greek pirate scene, documented (among other places) in torrent freak) and b. due to the fact that greek torrent sites and trackers are almost exclusively private, which makes them more difficult to track down (yes, that could be argued, but you’re talking about large scale MPAA attacks here, and they don’t usually go after private trackers). Mind you, ddl is more popular in Greece, as are IRC transfers and (sadly) DC++ and Soulseek (“sadly” mentioned because they are very unsafe against MPAA attacks).

  • Guest

    lol clearly a case of your fcuked if u do and fcuked if ya dont

    linking to an offical site is free advertising for them the only people i can see who are against that would be the retards sending out the “infringement letters” since they get royaltys every time someone follows their links and of course they want people to download torrents since it means more money from them

  • guestman

    Does this mean linking videos on the f a c e b o o k is illegal, cause you know how many people put links there lol. I mean c’mon the link to the video in the first place just helps to make people talk about the video in question. So really the link publicizes the copyrighted content and in turn would act as an advertisement.

  • http://profiles.google.com/liam.kirsh Liam K.

    lol, any relation to the Jewish fraternity, ???? I think they might be infringing on their intellectual property rights, if the fraternity had the name first :)

  • gazz00

    Do these C**%s have anything better to do?

  • Ninja

    I’m not one bit surprised. Srsly.

    I mean, MAFIAA did send cease and desist letters to a printer…

    Hope LiveMovies make AEPI look like the clowns they really are.

  • Enlightend

    So, if I’m getting this right, as of now, in Greece, word of mouth advertisement is seen as illegal?

    You can’t tell your friends, your family, your internet contacts about a show and tell them to watch it trough its legal medium?

    Isn’t the entire movie, series and music industry dependent on people watching this shit together and telling each other about it?

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