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U.S. To Introduce Draconian Anti-Piracy Censorship Bill

The U.S. Government is determined to put an end to online piracy. In an attempt to give copyright holders and the authorities all the tools required to disable access to so-called rogue sites, lawmakers will soon introduce the PROTECT IP Act. Through domain seizures, ISP blockades, search engine censorship, and cutting funding of allegedly copyright infringing websites, the bill takes Internet censorship to the next level.

censoredInternet censorship is a hot topic this year.

During the past 12 months the U.S. Government seized more than 100 domain names it claimed were promoting copyright infringement. But this was just the beginning. The domain seizures pale in comparison to a bill that’s about to be introduced by U.S. lawmakers.

Dubbed the PROTECT IP Act, the bill will introduce a wide-scale of censorship tools authorities and copyright holders can use to quash websites they claim are facilitating copyright infringement. It is basically a revamped and worsened version of the controversial COICA proposal which had to be resubmitted after its enaction failed last year.

The summary of the bill begins with a recital of the now-standard industry claims about the financial harm caused by copyright infringement. Claims that interestingly enough were put in doubt by the U.S. Government last year, but are still used to push anti-piracy legislation through globally.

“Copyright infringement and the sale of counterfeit goods are reported to cost American creators and producers billions of dollars and to result in hundreds of thousands in lost jobs annually. This pervasive problem has assumed an especially threatening form on the Internet,” the bill document reads.

It is further explained that the PROTECT IP Act is needed as an extension of the already controversial domain seizures. As reported previously, it is now relatively easy for a seized website to continue operating under a new non-US based domain name. With the new bill, however, the authorities and copyright holders have a broader scale of tools they can use.

“The Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act (“PROTECT IP Act”) authorizes the Justice Department to file a civil action against the registrant or owner of a domain name that accesses a foreign Internet site, or the foreign-registered domain name itself, and to seek a preliminary order from the court that the site is dedicated to infringing activities,” the document continues.

In case a domain is not registered or controlled by a U.S. company, the authorities can also order search engines to remove the website from its search results, order ISPs to block the website, and order ad-networks and payment processors to stop providing services to the website in question.

“If the court issues an order against the registrant, owner, or domain name, resulting from the DOJ-initiated suit, the Attorney General is authorized to serve that order on specified U.S. based third-parties, including Internet service providers, payment processors, online advertising network providers, and search engines. These third parties would then be required to take appropriate action to either prevent access to the Internet site, or cease doing business with the Internet site.”

Although the above is already quite far-reaching, the bill also allows for private copyright holders to use some of the same tools as the Government. Without due process, copyright holders can obtain a court order to prevent payment providers and ad-networks from doing business with sites that allegedly facilitate copyright infringement. Unlike the DOJ, copyright holders can not obtain orders to block sites through ISPs or search engines.

The summary of the bill does not go into the constitutional issues that arise with several of the measures. However, it ensures that the legislation is in the best interest of the public by protecting people from any website that “endangers the public health.” The only protection for accused websites is that they can “petition the court to suspend or vacate the order,” but lessons from the previous domain seizures show that this process can take up several months.

The PROTECT IP Act is expected to be officially introduced in the coming weeks, and more details will be released at the time. Sources close to the U.S Government say the bill has already gathered a lot of support among legislators, which is a worrying message for the relatively free-Internet as its known today.


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  • Hikaricore

    Fuck a whole bunch of that shit…

    • Anonymous

      Protect rich people’s imaginary property like there’s no tomorrow…
      Let SONY and Microsoft say you don’t even own your real property, and certain uses can violate usage rights.

      As someone so eloquently wrote before me “Fuck a whole bunch of that shit… ”

      They can’t win this technological war. They can’t. There’s seeing it now. Anything they do, we have an solution to route around it.
      A lot of people are seeing this like the Atomic Bomb being let off on the internet, when actually it’s more of a Hail Mary pass.
      They’re already doing everything that they are proposing be done, but they’re going to try all of it at once.
      So maybe it’s time to pull out our Atomic Bomb.
      Alternative DNS services – Make our OWN TLD’s; (like .p2p instead of .com)
      Don’t use high profile search engines – they’re all censored. Just pick one from here. The actions of a few can benefit thousands or millions. Be one of the few every once in awhile. You could be that one guy that came up with something great that helped save the internet.

      • puddi puddi

        No problem here, I will always find a way, as I’m sure a lot of you will. There is no way they will stop the computer literate from accessing these types of sites. Even if they somehow stopped us, the sneaker net would be bigger than ever, filled with thousands of pirates looking for a place to go by trading with their friends.

        This will not stop filesharing, but it may slow it down a bit. It will slowly pick back up to full speed as people keep reading the the guides written by the more elite on how to bypass these measures.

        If things get really bad, I’ll see you all back in irc.

        • Nobody

          >
          No problem here, I will always find a way, as I’m sure a lot of you will.

          Precisely. This sounds like trying to kill the mythical Hydra by attacking one head at a time. Good friggin luck, clueless people making bills. I don’t think they have any idea what they’re doing.

      • http://iamdisappoint.com/ Iwpach

        BOOSH!

      • http://iamdisappoint.com/ Iwpach

        BOOSH!

      • Ven

        “They can’t win this technological war.”

        Unfortunately they can, as governments and big business own the infrastructure that is the internet. Whether or not they will take the necessary steps to do so is the question. I am uneasy these days as I feel they will do whatever it takes to curb piracy.

        • Anonymous

          Not really, The US government doesn’t control the whole world’s internet. Besides, its big enough, and has been around long enough, a new internet2 could be created, or as a last resort, go back to bbs “dial up” if needed, yeah it would take a month to get your “illegal” download, but you won’t be stopped.

        • Lolol

          Most of the DNS root zone clusters are based in US, and IANA is in the US.

          Basically they own the whole Internet.

        • Anonymoose

          So? if they become censored we will simply use alternate dns servers.

        • Anonymous

          Anyone can set up their own DNS server and the likes of Russia prefer to live far outside US control. It is likely that the EU will DNS maintain EU based websites to an even higher degree in the future.

          The US Government were asked years ago to turn over ICANN to be an independent international organization as they should be. ICANN and the World wanted that but the US Government said “no” they wanted control.

          It is not hard to see that the US cannot be trusted and so will ICANN loose control over time as the Internet becomes fragmented.

        • Louigi Verona

          @Violated0:disqus Not that in Rusia they won’t want to copy the US legislation idea.

        • Devoid v3

          Internet2 has been around for a bit

          as well as Level 3

        • brudda

          Or move to an Asian country where they don’t give a flying fuck about this kind of nonsense.

        • http://profiles.google.com/republicans.suk Republicans Suck

          This country has gone straight to $hit thanks to the Fortune 500 and their Police State.

          May they all rot in existential Hell !!

        • Ugly American

          Not that I’m a huge fan of Republicans but this latest bout of Mafiaa diarrhea is sprayed directly from the asshole of Mr. “Hope and Change” with sidekick Hollywood Biden holding the copywrong enema bag in one hand and his c0ck in the other – both parties are completely clueless and full of fail. That’s why America has gone to $hit – two factions of the same idiocy, election, after election, after election, after election, after election…nothing ever changes.

        • Anonymous

          Nothing will ever change……. UNTIL Americans stand up and demand…..

          No more Lobbyists……

        • Glad

          No. Nothing will ever change until world stops giving shit about america,

          Kill the dollar, move key pieces of global infrastructure out.

          For f**k’s sake, I am tired waitng until americunts fight for their agendas.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          Wrong battle.  We need MORE parties, especially a third party.  We need Libertarians in government that can handle the treasury and a Pirate Party that can handle copyright issues.  We need the Green Party candidates to handle personal freedoms, and we need Democrats and Republicans to stop making rules about who can and cannot fight for the all seats.

          This is accomplished through eliminating our current electoral vote system.  It’s always been a “winner takes all” system.  If anything, we need something to represent ALL choices.  A proportional vote system would do nicely and we would have a lot more diversity if this could occur.

        • Guest

          No, we need more people taking more personal responsibility and thinking for themselves and less people signing up to be in a party.

        • Sldjflk

          No, it is scientifically impossible to maintain a 3rd party in a winner-takes-all voting system. It will always trend towards 2.

        • Sldjflk

          No, it is scientifically impossible to maintain a 3rd party in a winner-takes-all voting system. It will always trend towards 2.

        • Anonymous

          There is only one company that owns the internet, actually, and they believe in a completely free, uncensored internet that requires paying for an ISP to receive access to. Most people in the world are against any censorship of the internet at all. period. Only copyright holders and governments are even concerned about it. Also, the damages from piracy that they are stating is way out of proportion. Less than 5% of the world’s population actually pirates things for bad reasons or because they want something free. The other 5-10% or so that pirate actually buy what they like and would like to actually support. More than 4/5 of the world’s population don’t even pirate. The monetary damages are also only a few thousand to a max of a few hundred thousand, no where near billions of dollars in losses. If the people have any say in this, it will drop like a fly will more than 3/4 of the world’s population not wanting it, due to the fact that it is censorship.

      • Ven

        “They can’t win this technological war.”

        Unfortunately they can, as governments and big business own the infrastructure that is the internet. Whether or not they will take the necessary steps to do so is the question. I am uneasy these days as I feel they will do whatever it takes to curb piracy.

      • http://twitter.com/sheepodoom SheepODoom

         The best thing we can do is replace our Politicians with fellow Pirates. the next election is next year. If we can get 400 pro piracy people to run & even if only a fraction of that get elected  maybe enough will to block much of this shit.

    • Ugly American

      Welcome to the NEW WEB ORDER:

      One Mafiaa, under Greed, with intellectual “property” and injustice for all.

    • http://profiles.google.com/theone23ord one two

      See…

      iamthewitness.com

      It’s complicated.

    • http://profiles.google.com/theone23ord one two

      See…

      iamthewitness.com

  • Anon

    I wonder how far they will need to go, before people are incited to violence.

    • http://twitter.com/linuxeomboy Gustavo Ferlizi

      My words.

    • Omg

      as i see it if they continue to do this in the next 20 years …..

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        …they will be wasting a lot of money for no gain whatsoever.

        • Anonymous

          Sounds about right. Unless there is a FUNDAMENTAL change in how the USA’s Government operates then nothing will ever happen.

          Hey Americans, MAN THE FUCK UP!

      • Anonymous

        possibly.. until the generation that understands shearing (35 year old and younger) get into power… it might actually take 30-40 years… then again the mayans dictated that in 2012 the new thinkers would flourish… so we might see some heavy changes in the way of thinking on 2012 :P hope that doesn’t mean just mexico.. lol

        • http://profiles.google.com/republicans.suk Republicans Suck

          I think mexico is the last place for new thinkers considering the plethora of violence going on thanks to our gun laws and sleazy weapons salesmen in Arizona. They’d sell weapons to a terrorist if they knew they could get away with it.

        • Fallenleader

          no, if you look you’ll find information on the ATF’s project gunwalker. citing there is evidence the ATF created or at least played a part in getting guns into mexico, most likely to get an increase in funding which means more money in people’s pockets. money from cartels and money from the government to “stop” the cartels from using the guns they themselves supplied.

        • Anonymous

          “the generation that understands shearing [sic] (35 year old and younger)” 

          Some of us are (considerably) older than that, and we’ve been sharing for well over 20 years now.

    • Anon

      The real violence would begin if they decided to shut facebook down.

      God help the world if people can’t access their imaginary farm.

      • Angry Don

        Priceless.

        They can always go throw birds at pigs if they can’t access their imaginary farms. Or they can go deal with their imaginary Mafia. Imaginary world has never been so fun. Real world has never been so fckd up.

      • Anonymous

        You know what’s sad? That’s probably the truth. People would flip the f*ck out of they couldn’t update their Facebook status. Or tweet about whatever is they’re doing every 5 minutes.

        Chaos would rampant within an hour.

      • Ugly American
      • Guest

        Yeah, it would be like telling them not to pray to their imaginary god.

    • Anonymous

      I understand what you feel but violence is not a good route to take against those who come better armed. Like in those North African countries then peaceful protest can bring down a Government by making them look bad and violent in front of international cameras.

      You just need tens of thousands of people to protest though. That worked for MLK and others.

      This is not to say that violence does not work when the IRA with their bombings and murder did achieve some political success.

      • NSA, CIA, = Freedom

        Violence, or the threat of, are the only power shared by the peasants who get affected by these rules.
        This was never about piracy, it was about control.
        And now it’s game over…..

    • Annie

      @d26ffa8dde6cc82ccb805e2a20a4978c:disqus They already have. We just need organization to be effective.

    • Animal Farm

      Jared Lee Loughner?

  • Censored

    Save our internets!

  • Dilvish

    US, anything but democracy.

    • FUBO2012

      @dilvish It’s not the US…it’s the marxist Obama. Ya know, the president the ‘world” loves.

      • http://twitter.com/travney T.A. Henry

        this is not Obama but Joe Biden and his MAFIAA republican brothers in arms.

        • Tooooooooor

          Joe Biden did wtc7

        • Tooooooooor

          Joe Biden did wtc7

        • Anon

          This has been going on for years. It has nothing to do with Obama or Biden, the corporations lobby for all the laws these days and the people of this country have a pretend way to change leaders every few years, but really its “certain” people behind the curtain that really controls it all. The faces change, but the directions that the corporations want to go will always remain so unless we do something about it before its too late. All it takes for them is the lining of a few certain pockets and that law gets passed by people that don’t have a clue about what they are really voting for and we get to suffer. Wake up.

        • Shannon

           Joe biden is a big nosed J3W!!

      • DANMA

        Do you know what marxism is? If so…how is Obama a marxist?

      • Batx69

        Dumbass Marxist would be FOR piracy , do you even know what the word means? 

      • http://twitter.com/sheepodoom SheepODoom

        Obama is simply caring on BUSH made agendas. He’s the Black Bush  the Democrats USE to stand for something & it was NOT the Republican Agenda.

      • IDIOCRACY

        if obama was a marxist, everybody would share everything because that is what marxism is about, because you are a filesharer (as I asume) your are more marxist then any politician in US inluding Obama.

    • Dfgfgfdg

      lol ya the usa = a communist country under the flag of a democratic republic , china has it better , atleast we can still breath with out paying taxes on the carbon emissions – they just havent found away to tax it yet

  • Ah-ha-ha-ha

    Hey *I* wrote this article, you copied it from me. That means I can take your site off the internets without due process right?

    This bill will lead to lawsuits flying everywhich way as people who get taken down, yet have no case to answer, will sue whoever instituted the action for loss of earnings.

    If I was an American I’d be writing to my representatives about this, it’s ridiculous and utter over kill. It’s the Internet Patriot Act.

  • Ah-ha-ha-ha

    Hey *I* wrote this article, you copied it from me. That means I can take your site off the internets without due process right?

    This bill will lead to lawsuits flying everywhich way as people who get taken down, yet have no case to answer, will sue whoever instituted the action for loss of earnings.

    If I was an American I’d be writing to my representatives about this, it’s ridiculous and utter over kill. It’s the Internet Patriot Act.

    • Anonymous

      I’m an American, a lot of our ‘representatives’ do not listen to us, therefore they do not represent us, therefore they are not our representatives – but rather scamass spineless cheats in a position they deserve not to be in. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve presented an argument to my local reps and got nothing but preset borg responses repeating points I’m already aware of and producing no solutions always ending on a “I’ll keep your thoughts in mind” then doing the exact opposite.

      For these reasons I’m seeking real solutions to all of these problems being created, and I’m certain I won’t be getting them from legislative domains.
      Net
      interprets
      censorship as
      damage and routes around it, I interpret bullshit laws as bullshit and break them.

      Of course we can try the system first off, but at this point and with many issues I think it’s best to presume anyone in any office isn’t on my side, I’d rather trust some dutch kid running a small proxy in exchange for some dating tips more than a 40 yr old alcoholic paper pusher who hardly knows how to correctly approach even thinking about what goes on inside a network….

      • Nginx

        We can’t fight the system can we? That’s our problem. The corporations make the laws, the cops implement them and the corrupt judges hands out corporate justice. They are all united while we aren’t.

        We can never really do anything other than find workarounds and wait for them to inevitably plug all the holes once and for all to the point where there are no workarounds left. Sad times these.

        • Scary Devil Monastery


          We can’t fight the system can we?

          Actually it’s the other way around. They can’t fight the system. But they keep trying. When i read about the proposed measures i merely facepalmed.

          Honestly, yes, they can TRY to implement all of those measures. It will hurt a great deal of legitimate business and certainly will cause great inconvenience (to say the least) to the above-ground IT sector in the US.

          Against pirates and noncommercial filesharing it won’t accomplish a damn thing however. China has already tried the above suggestions and then some. It didn’t work.

        • Spock

          There is this thing…..its called Anonymous, you should maybe check into that. When enough people get pissed off enough by the outright blatant mistreatment of John Q Public so that the corporations can have there profits…….then the shit hits the fan. The wave is coming, and its BIG! I suggest you watch for it.

        • Spock

          There is this thing…..its called Anonymous, you should maybe check into that. When enough people get pissed off enough by the outright blatant mistreatment of John Q Public so that the corporations can have there profits…….then the shit hits the fan. The wave is coming, and its BIG! I suggest you watch for it.

      • Ah-ha-ha-ha

        Its true, sad & true. Its the feeling in most countries. We vote for the least worst alternative, knowing that all they’ll do is protect donors interests for business over the rights of the populace. We need a seismic shift in who politicians work for, which means educating the wider public and hoping they care more about their human rights than who won last weeks American Idol.

        We’re well and truly fucked.

        • Hamez

          Or, any I’m just throwing this out there… We could start killing them when they go bad.

        • Delicious.Cake

          who won? i missed it.

      • Ah-ha-ha-ha

        Its true, sad & true. Its the feeling in most countries. We vote for the least worst alternative, knowing that all they’ll do is protect donors interests for business over the rights of the populace. We need a seismic shift in who politicians work for, which means educating the wider public and hoping they care more about their human rights than who won last weeks American Idol.

        We’re well and truly fucked.

      • One

        Because they know there is no retribution anytime soon.
        We need more Jared Loughners before they think, ‘sure, why not sign this bill and take money, what are they going to do, sign a petition and hand it to me, lmfao.’
        I want them to think, ‘I don’t know, someone might fucking murder me with the outrage….’

      • http://twitter.com/sheepodoom SheepODoom

        if your of age here is what you do. You call a news conference in front of your rep’s office & announce your running against them.  To run for Congress you MUST be a US Citizen for 7 years & are 25 year old. For US Senate you must be 35 yrs. old & a US Citizen for  9 years On both you also need to reside in the state you seek office for. I’m sure we can find 400 Pirate Party members to run?

      • http://twitter.com/sheepodoom SheepODoom

        if your of age here is what you do. You call a news conference in front of your rep’s office & announce your running against them.  To run for Congress you MUST be a US Citizen for 7 years & are 25 year old. For US Senate you must be 35 yrs. old & a US Citizen for  9 years On both you also need to reside in the state you seek office for. I’m sure we can find 400 Pirate Party members to run?

        • Covenist5

          As much as I agree with that in theory, “our” type of people aren’t likely to kiss enough political ass to get off the ground floor. You also need enough money to run, and the types with enough money are the same bastards we are fighting against. it’s basically a catch 22.

        • Big_P

          But they get their money from us don’t they? Don’t pay tax or less tax and put it towards The Pirate Party!

          If anything we’re heading for times of ‘Demolition Man’. We’ll be in the sewers eating rats.

    • Covenist5

      yeah, I’ve lived in Chicago my whole life. In this state, you stand a higher chance of going to prison if you’re involved in Illinois politics than if you commit murder. All the letters in the world won’t stop these greedy bastards. Unless you can afford to pay enough of them off to get what you want, it aint happenin. They’re the true criminals. Something few people want to admit is that Legal is not synonymous with good and illegal doesn’t mean bad. This country needs an enema. get rid of every office and start over with actual votes, not a chosen few whose votes actually do count.

  • anon

    WHY!?

  • anon

    WHY!?

  • Xult

    Goodbye USA..
    The free world will miss you.

    • Anon

      will it?

    • Ninja

      “won’t miss”

      Corrected for you

      • Xult

        My apoigies.
        Wont Miss.

      • Armorus

        Contrary to some egoistic opinions, USA having censorship problems is not good. Not. Good. At. All.

        • Ninja

          Indeed because they are trying to shove it in the world’s arses. And the other Govts are loving it.

    • Anonymous

      If this bill gets passed I am sure many thousands of people will flee the US to live and work in other countries. Passing this bill is surely going to also drop the US in the freedom and democracy tables not to forget further fragmenting the Internet. More and more companies will also move overseas.

      In conclusion this will only be harmful for US business and public freedom while it will achieve little to stop file-sharing.

      • http://twitter.com/sheepodoom SheepODoom

        Are these the same folks who think having a stranger grope & fondle their kids in the Name of National Security is ok?

      • http://twitter.com/sheepodoom SheepODoom

        Are these the same folks who think having a stranger grope & fondle their kids in the Name of National Security is ok?

  • http://twitter.com/ZippoS Zippo

    The harder they try, the harder they fail.

  • Fuck US & Mafiaa

    Blah blah blah “shocking news: us senator admit to incest” blah blah blah blah “the mafias are gays, declare war on straight”.,.. one doesn’t even read to know the rest of the story

  • FuzzyDuck

    Obama: Chains you can believe in.

    Vote out Bush and you get Obama, which turns out to be Bush in sheepclothes – though quite transparent clothes by now. There is truly no hope for the USA.

    • Ninja

      Yes, we can.

    • Anonymous

      It does not matter who you vote for in the US, the corporations own them all. Personally, i hope they go even further than this. I hope they bend it so far that it breaks.

      • Herp

        It wouldn’t matter if Bobo the clown was in office…. the same shit would be happening… Don’t pull the OMG OBAMA card.

        • Anonymous

          +1. And……

          At least Obama recognises that Lobbyists are a threat to the US people.

          He has to something about it tho……

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        Spammer…. lie down…

    • getoffayaweebassa

      he’s not a white sheep i assume.

    • baz

       The problem with so many people, is that they think *The President* controls everything, when he controls very little.  It’s the Wealthy, and Corporations, and especially the Media that control.  You’ll never see a Liberal, Progressive, or a Populist President… once they get into office, you’ll always see a change of behavior from what they campaigned for.  The perfect example is with current high oil prices.  Obama campaigned saying he’d rein in Speculation.  Probably 1/3 of the current price of oil is due to Speculation, where people *buy* oil, but never take delivery… then sell it higher.  It’s a game.  And now in office, Obama’s doing nothing about it.  The Media just pushes a bunch of lies.  Obama gets bin Laden, and all you see are former Bush officials on TV, everywhere, talking about how much credit Bush deserved, & how great torture is.  It’s all about keeping people ignorant, and so many just follow & go along.  The US is owned by everyone but it’s People, quickly becoming a 3rd-world nation.

      • Covenist5

        try half. in some south american countries they pay les than $0.25/Gal for gas. Figure that one out. then the oil companies said they only have a margin of $0.06/Gal. Those pricks need to be drawn and quartered.

    • Covenist5

      do you people really think it’s any of the presidents??? they’re figureheads, that’s it. sure they get secret service, and quite a bit of pull, but when it comes down to it, they dont actually run things. they are minded by the corporations, ya’know the actual OWNERS of all of us. The presidency just gives us the illusion of choice, and provides a scapegoat for us to all blame when the actual culprits run away with the real influence, not to mention all the fucking money. and the rest of us (about 90%) have to struggle so hard just to make ends meet, that we dont have the time money or resources to do anything else. we need another revolution!

  • Guest

    what Zippo said. They are doing themselves the disservice.. and producers who are losing billions.. perhaps, they should start producing content that people actually don’t mind paying for, and not the worthless garbage that even after downloading it makes you wonder why you wasted your time and effort…

    • Ah-ha-ha-ha

      Perhaps the studios should also stop using hollywood accounting and pay the real creatives what they’re due, rather than screwing people at both ends of the process.

      Also if they care about the lives of cameramen and wardrobe people etc so much they should start paying them on percentage.

      As soon as I know the money’s being shared out and the people who make the physical DVDs aren’t minimum wage or “slave” labourers then I’ll happily buy media.

      It wasn’t that long ago that the writers union got screwed over on a net revenue deal.

      And studios wonder why people feel they can legitimately borrow their products.

  • US Dissident

    This would require a huge government bureaucracy and create army of professional snoops and spies serving the interests of the RIAA and MPAA at taxpayer expense.

    • Arthur Jensen

      Something like the cops, CIA and NSA?

      • US Dissident

        Something like keeping large numbers of unemployed folks busy spying on their neighbors, sort of like in the old Soviet Union just before the collapse.

  • Flying Dutchman

    “China and USA have joined the chat”

    USA: You are bad, you shouldn’t censor the Internets! TAKE DOWN YOUR FIREWALL!

    China: Bwhahaha says who? Hypocrits @ work…

    “EU has joined the chat”

    EU: Internet censorship is BAD China, at least we still have free interwebs! You are evil with your evil firewall!

    “MAFIAA has joined the chat”

    MAFIAA: But we are losing Billions to evil cyberterrorists ;-(

    EU: OMFG! CYBERTERRORISTS?! We have to censor them! How can we censor them?

    MAFIAA: Uuuuhm, use a firewall? Financed by the taxpayers?

    EU: Good idea MAFIAA! Off to make a firewall!

    USA: That reminds us, we still have a certain bill to introduce!

    “EU, USA and MAFIAA have left the chat”

    China: “sigh”

    • http://twitter.com/linuxeomboy Gustavo Ferlizi

      Yeah, I wonder who actually are the ones inside China’s firewall.

      The Chinese; or the rest of the world….

      • Jeezas fackin christ

        @twitter-16224969:disqus China is on the outside, the rest of the world is on the inside. China is protecting itself from our bullshit internets.

    • No Hope For This Country

      Hypocrites indeed…

    • Dude

      Yeah… at least the chinese don’t pretend to like freedom

    • Anon

      rgetghetg

  • daz

    domain seizures use firefox app

    ISP blockades use vpn

    search engine censorship use vpn to other contry search engine

    cutting funding of allegedly copyright well should’nt make $$$ off copy stuff
    anyway

    or just use a torrent client decentralized with search/stream features

    • Anonymous

      You forgot:

      They break interwebs, build p2p interwebs and block USA IP range.

      Because i really don’t see the point in hanging out with these guys any more.

      • Markschepp23

        You do know the European Union’s law enforcement is talking about doing the same thing, right? These idiots are the same in every country.

        • Euroscum

          It’s far less likely to pass in EU, because every single country would have to ratify it, many would probably refuse to implement it. EU is not a governing body, only an extended “trade organisation”. If it pushes too hard on anything, it will be it’s downfall. It’s on thin ice as it is, with many countries threatening to pull out of the Euro zone & the Schengen agreement in the past few months due to economic crisis & the influx of refugees from the middle east. Something like this could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

        • Jared Loughner

          The same organisation runs every western country, The IMF and World Bank.

    • Ven

      What do you do when they chop VPNs off?

      • Anonymous

        That will not happen when people will still need VPN for valid uses. You also forget that people seeking privacy is not a crime.

        Beyond VPN we also have the https PGP option and there are many other options around like Tor.

        • Grindleader

          “You also forget that people seeking privacy is not a crime.”

          Not yet anyway.

  • Kotals

    They will fart our balls

    • Ah-ha-ha-ha

      Will they? Not sure I want my balls farted.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    First, Looking at the Summary of the bill, I am gobsmacked that they are allowed to include a list of supporting bodies.

    They might as well just tell members of congress that if they are not already on this gravy train, their vote can be bought by one or more of these (fat) companies.

    Allowing copyright holders to get funding and support for a site cut off without due process would be abused to the hilt to shut down competitors.

    Between this and similar barriers being threatened as in the EU, the net is rapidly unravelling into a series of walled gardens

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, lol at shutting down Sony or Apple because they violated someone’s patent again…

      • Shannon

         fuck sony+apple!!

      • Covenist5

        yeah, since Apple stole thier original operating system from Xerox, they should be the last ones to even speak of piracy. I guess they think it was bad only after Microsoft stole it from Apple, M$ is on the same bandwagon. Hyprocryts and thieves. But I guess once you steal enough money, what you do is no longer illeagal. Take a tip from the giants people.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, lol at shutting down Sony or Apple because they violated someone’s patent again…

  • townie2

    sounds like the great Firewall of China. huh, i thought China was becoming more democratic, but it turns out the U.S. is becoming more communist.

    • Ninja

      Communism doesn’t exist. In some countries a determined group applies some sort of political move and seizes the whole power and control in a row. This is called dictatorship.

      The US is seizing the power and control in small homeopathic doses. This they call democracy.

      • Blackplan

        Fun Fact. The US fits all it’s own definitions of a Rogue State.

      • Ah-ha-ha-ha

        Yes, there’s never been a true communist state, at least in history. Prehistory, possibly.
        All Govts tend towards the same point, that of control and regulation. It seems to be a universal law, human nature, that when we get together en masse the bigger people become bastards and want to control the smaller ones.

        Give a man power, he becomes a dick, give him total power, he becomes a total dick.

        • Ninja

          Precisely. Although I doubt it’s human nature, I just think it’s the fruit of complete moral decay with capitalism syrup and a greed cherry on top.

        • Spock

          Well said Ninja….well said!!

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          No it isn’t. These are just all those effects which make marxism and rigged economies so bad, snuck in the back door.

          Intellectual “Property” isn’t property – in any real and practical way you care to measure it’s information control, the same as practised by dictatorships everywhere. And that information control is now being upheld in the west as if we were Sovjet citizens in the 60′s and were trying to discuss subversive anti-government topics.

        • Grindleader

          LOL, but they are only doing A LITTLE CENSORING. That’s like saying you’re only a little pregnant. You either are or aren’t censoring. Period.

        • Ninja

          LoL at my brain failing at processing the concept of ‘a little pregnant’.

          Well said. Great analogy.

        • Grindleader

          ;)

        • Grindleader

          It’s like this:

          Lets use sin as an example. First, you either have sin, or you don’t.

          There are any number of things you can consider sin. Some can be considered worse than others. It starts getting subjective at this point. But, once you have sinned, you have crossed the line or threshold from no sin, into having sin.

          It doesn’t matter what your particular form of sin was, you have now sinned.

          So censorship is the same, you have either no censorship, or you have censorship, it doesn’t matter what form it takes, you are either censoring or you are not.

          You can put all the spin you want on it, but it won’t change the reality.

        • Covenist5

          reminds me of the book burnings in the 1930 in Nazi Germany. History repeats itself

        • Covenist5

          more like unnatural selection. the good people are weeded out

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Communism works really well on small scale. A kibbutz, say, or a shareholders cooperative.

          It just won’t scale to a larger size. And that’s why no state throughout history has ever been successful in implementing something similar. Much like “Intellectual Property” Communism relies on the real world – society and humanity – adjusting to legislation instead of the other way around.

        • Grindleader

          You are also leaving out the part where, on a larger scale, there is always someone who wants to have more than everyone else and be a big wheel. Even on a smaller scale really.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

           That’s the point about why Communism can’t scale. With twenty stakeholders running a coop the guy who wants to be a big wheel can be checked by people who know him and deal with him on a daily basis.

          On a larger scale that greed/ambition can’t be checked by anything other than the small minority who know the guy’s a crook.

          Which is why capitalism which assumes everyone IS greedy and ambitious, while not a humanitarian system of high ideology, is the one and only way to run a nation-state. Such a system may be flawed but robust. Communism is a theorethical perfect and requires perfect people – and is thus unstable.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

           That’s the point about why Communism can’t scale. With twenty stakeholders running a coop the guy who wants to be a big wheel can be checked by people who know him and deal with him on a daily basis.

          On a larger scale that greed/ambition can’t be checked by anything other than the small minority who know the guy’s a crook.

          Which is why capitalism which assumes everyone IS greedy and ambitious, while not a humanitarian system of high ideology, is the one and only way to run a nation-state. Such a system may be flawed but robust. Communism is a theorethical perfect and requires perfect people – and is thus unstable.

    • IDIOCRACY

      If USA would become more communistic, than sharing would be encouraged because in (real) communism everything is from everyone and copyright does not exist in communism.
      So to all USA,.. this is what you get from banning communism. You should have voted differently. All fileshares should agree with the fact that communism is good. But if they do, US politicians will start a witch hunt on fileshares not because of sharing but because they are commies. woehaha

      • Ninja

        Humanity rotten morals cant co-exist with real Communism.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        I think it’s the other way around. Communism has to rely on information control. Information control is blind in practise.

        So a communist regime would have to clamp down on filesharing as the same venues could be made to disseminate anti-government propaganda. Where today the “democratic” west clamps down on freedom of speech because that freedom also allows filesharing.

        The real struggle is to get it through the body politics that people should be able to communicate as they like.

        • Grindleader

          Control the information, you control the people. In general practice.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

           Which is why everyone deep down wants to control information. Political bent has no relevance on that. No matter how liberal you are you will be able to go along with the idea that some things ought not to be said.

          Identifying one or two of those things a majority of the people want banned and you can try to link those things with what you specifically want to block. Hence the repeated attempts made at linking filesharing with, say, terrorism, drug dealing and child pornography. Get enough people to believe there’s a correlation and you can get a majority for censorship easily enough.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

           Which is why everyone deep down wants to control information. Political bent has no relevance on that. No matter how liberal you are you will be able to go along with the idea that some things ought not to be said.

          Identifying one or two of those things a majority of the people want banned and you can try to link those things with what you specifically want to block. Hence the repeated attempts made at linking filesharing with, say, terrorism, drug dealing and child pornography. Get enough people to believe there’s a correlation and you can get a majority for censorship easily enough.

        • IDIOCRACY

          Greed, ignorance and lack of intelligence, Humankinds biggest dangers on survival on this planet as a species. 

        • Covenist5

          ignorance is lack of intelligence. look it up

        • IDIOCRACY

          You mistake Communism for Fascism. :P

      • Covenist5

        it’s not communist to share or help your neighbor. communisim forces you to. freedom allows you the choice to share or not to share. it’s not communist or capitolist that are right, but FREEDOM!!!

    • Batx69

      Um you dont know what the word communisim means, please get a dictionary. The word you are looking for is Capitalistic Fascisim its the opposite of comunisim.  The basis of comunisim is sharing . There goeth your lesson. 

  • r3loaded

    Lol. No one, not even China, can ever hope to completely censor the internet. Even if this passes, I will laugh at their naive attempts at “stopping piracy”.

    Meanwhile, I want to try the new Google Music service, but can’t because of licensing/geographic restrictions. That’s really going to stop me pirating music…

  • http://toby7728.myopenid.com/ TT7728

    Fucking hell. I’m British, and I thought *our* country had draconian laws. Every day I’m more and more thankful I live in this country and not the US.

    These laws are comparable to those of China!

    • Ninja

      At least it’s reassuring (in a sad way) when you look below and you see ppl doing worse than you. Heh. I wonder what the Americans see when they look below.

      • Xult

        Shoulders of giants ?

      • Donotreply

        The ashes of the US Constitution.

        • Ninja

          That’s really sad. If you think about the US Constitution is pretty awesome. Or would be if it was actually respected.

      • Wolool

        An empty abyss filled with the ashes of the US constitution and the graves of our forefathers.

      • SSamurai

        HOLY SHIT!!! There’s nothing below us!!!

      • Glib

        Air

      • Grindleader

        The remains of those who tried to usurp my constitution.

    • NSA, CIA, = Freedom

      It’s a prison planet sir.
      No freedom anywhere.

    • Kronie

      So damn true! In the past three years I went from liking the US business laws to hating them and moving my small business (importing from China plus a few websites) to the UK – even the taxes are the same now, but no more licensing and audits ****ing me in the *** AND I get unlimited bandwidth on German servers for half the price in the US.

      Best of all, I sell on eBay and most buyers are American – just can’t believe how the politicians **** the country…

  • Guest

    We all need to write to our Congressmen and represenatatives getting this one removed. Take 10 minutes to write a letter, or two minutes to make a call asking to meet them. Explain why the real economy is the internet not the blocking of it to suit an insignificant and declining industry.

    • Opal

      If it wasn’t a real economy then none of you would be upset.

      But the reality is that you’re all hopelessly addicted to music and movies and don’t want to pay for them.

      Watching you people try to spin your way out of this is hilarious.

      • Anonymous

        Almost as hilarious as the people laughing because they think this is ONLY about piracy. Piracy is the current excuse. It’s what they’re using to get this off the ground. Eventually once they’ve censored and blocked that, they’ll find something else they don’t approve of to censor/block. And by the time you know it everything they don’t approve of has been censored and blocked. Freedom of speech becomes a thing of the past. It’s just the first step down the road that leads to no more free speech online. If you don’t believe that then the reality is you’re ignorance let’s things like that happen and as such when the day comes that you’re running out of rights, you’ll have no one to blame but yourself. Then again, you might still blame the pirates, but rest assured, you’ll share just as much responsibility for your state as they do.

      • Spock

        Said it before…guess its time for a repeat since you bunch of fucking retards cant seem to get it…..hmm…hmmmm?

        WHEN and only when I am charged a far price, for a quality product and I KNOW without a doubt that the REAL creative person behind that product will get the FAIR SHARE that they deserve! THEN I will pull out my wallet and pay for what I listen to…..but untill you idiots can pull your heads out of your asses, there just isnt any way I will support your coke and hookers lifestyle!

        IS THIS THING ON?? AM I GETTING THROUGH TO YOU??

        Nah, never mind…..they wont listen! :0

        • Jwsports

          I support my favorite music artists. I go to there CONCERTS where the artist gets 100% of the PROFIT. Not Sony or MGM. Why do you think the rappers started there own labels. I agree with Spock all the way

      • Covenist5

        just wait buddy, soon enough they’ll censor something you care about. then what will you say when you’re on the other side of the fence?

      • Covenist5

        just wait buddy, soon enough they’ll censor something you care about. then what will you say when you’re on the other side of the fence?

    • NSA, CIA, = Freedom

      Beat the neck off your local politician for ten minutes.
      That’ll solve the fucking cunts

  • politux

    Paging Senator Ron Wyden.

  • politux

    Paging Senator Ron Wyden.

  • Guest

    Xerox, a company that built it’s business off kopimi, is sponsoring a bill designed to prevent things being copied. Hypocrites.

    • Anonymous

      No they want to be the only ones to be allowed to copy.
      It’s a monopoly remember…

  • Ninja

    Freedom is taking so many hits that it’s not even feeling. By now it’s in some sort of anesthetic dieing state. Ironic that the land of the free are the ones poisoning Freedom to death, slowly.

    • Ah-ha-ha-ha

      Ah America’s full of hypocrisy, always has been.
      They separate church and state and yet are “one nation under god”. That one’s always made me smile.The American dream turned into a nightmare a long time ago.

      • Ninja

        lol yeah, whenever I hear/read “in God we trust” or some generic similar from anything related to a government I can’t help but smile and think “shouldn’t the government be laic/secular?” (by laic I mean neutral, not biased by any religious morals or any sort of dogma? is laic the right word?)

      • Shannon

         hahaha….”in god we trust”, is’nt that the usual rant?

  • Pirate

    They keep attacking P2P but they will fail because the future is F2F. http://retroshare.sourceforge.net

  • bob-downunder

    aaahhhh the sweet taste of freedom before Australia follows America or maybe not if senator conroy has anything to say about it…

    • Donotreply

      I wouldn’t put anything past the ACL (sorry the ALP, I get mixed up wondering which is which with all that talk about ‘stakeholders’)

  • Jon7272

    i cant see much use for the internet at all if this is sucsessful. making more money for the media but taking from the isps . does this make sense. oh yes because media pays more for there interests

  • Anonymous

    Haha, this is just going to be a game for 12 year old skiddies. Hack the wall. I for one say bring it, i’m bored. And i hope enough hackers get pissed to put it and them personally under constant stress. Because if you would ask me how to get every botnet in the world aimed at you, i would say something like this, what they are doing now… Vive le Resistance!

  • 7th_Guest

    And the capitalist authoritarianism experiment continues unabated…

  • Joe

    Liberal, Democratic, Black President and still acting like a dark regime..

    I would call them now The Islamic Republic of America

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zack-Nelson/1287355169 Zack Nelson

    America is a pseudo democracy. Only two parties get to run for office (which isn’t too different from a communist state), and you have to do a hell of a lot of research to make an informed decision (mainstream media disallows this, and theres been too much secrecy around our government).

    I think we should do our best to get people informed of these issues (I don’t see this poping up on television). I’m willing to post flyers around the place if anyone makes ‘em

    • Grindleader

      Just saw this after I made my post. Yeah, looks like you have the right idea. Help make the public aware, because most have no clue.

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  • Anonymous

    Wow, that is downright scary dude. Seriously?
    anon-web.es.tc

  • Anonymous

    I can always beat some guy up if I can’t read anything new…

  • http://praguebars.blogspot.com/ Christoph T.

    The US is broke – they can vote whatever they want I don’t believe they have the means to push it any further. Looks very pro forma to me …

    • Grindleader

      They will just have the fed print more money.

      • Glib

        … that has done great things for their dollar it seems.

        • Grindleader

          LOL, yes, hasn’t it.

  • Anony-moose

    I wonder which company wrote the legislation? I bet it was Disney.

  • Anonymous

    If you voted for Obama-you helped bring these fascist laws to bear.

    • Vagolon

      LOL as opposed to the many other wonderful choices we had?!? Yeah, that would have been good for the country – reappoint Bush.

    • Bill Clinton

      Because the Republican (Bush) Patriot Act was way better.

      • StevO

        atleast the patriot act was a military defense/anti-terrorist purpose. This about a movies and music and teenagers getting to listen and share music on behalf of a private industry.. Theres no comparison

        • Anonymous

          Doesn’t matter WHO is in power….

          I don’t mean this to sound rude … but……STOP crying…
          Kick out the lobbyists..

        • Covenist5

          wow you actually fell for that one??? the only thing terrorism had to do with it was snowing the public enough to get it passed

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Honestly….Obama probably couldn’t care less. The problem is that Joe Biden is in the pocket of the lobby.

      The alternative is worse though. Appoint another GWB? You republicans need to get it through your thick skulls that you need to go for the lesser of two evils and be aware that you do – instead of just voting according to stolid dogma and persuade yourself that your own candidate walks on water.

      I’d say the same about democrats. Get off the damn lawn and get on the fence. Every political candidate in the US – democrat or republican – knows full well that 80% of the sheeple actually going to the urns will always vote for their party candidate even if the candidate in question was Chairman Mao or Stalin. So why should they change?

      • Bill Hicks

        Hey…..those two puppets are held up by the same guy…..

        • Scary Devil Monastery

           My point exactly…

  • Anonymous

    If you voted for Obama-you helped bring these fascist laws to bear.

  • Jmorse43508

    COICA was brought up twice and failed twice. What makes these idiotic, technologically clueless lawmakers think this even more draconian censorship bill has even a snowball’s chance in Hell of passing?

    And as long as there is partisan divisiveness in Congress, this monstrosity will likely never see the light of day.

    Even if it does pass, it would take a totalitarian dictatorship to enforce it with 100% success.

    • Abel

      COICA passed in committee 19-0.

      It was too late in its first session to get voted on, and then the second time Wyden put a hold on it.

      Leahy addressed Wyden’s issues and made it clear this bill is going through. It will likely pass with something like a 98-2 vote.

      • Anonymous

        Freedom is always easily lost but so very hard to recover. The most dangerous threat to society are those who speak with good deeds in mind.

  • Jmorse43508

    COICA was brought up twice and failed twice. What makes these idiotic, technologically clueless lawmakers think this even more draconian censorship bill has even a snowball’s chance in Hell of passing?

    And as long as there is partisan divisiveness in Congress, this monstrosity will likely never see the light of day.

    Even if it does pass, it would take a totalitarian dictatorship to enforce it with 100% success.

  • Donotreply

    And the fight for a free internet continues…

  • hotdog

    I’ll take note of this and contact demanprogress.org. aswell as Senator Ron Wyden who is everything against censorship including piracy.He already killed coica aswell as over 300,000+ people who signed a petition including myself..All it takes is 1 senator to oppose.The anti-piracy dinosaurs can go on and on and on!!!But i promise you it won’t take affect.

    • hotdog

      sorry that’s demandprogress.org

    • Anonymous

      The thing about this copyright side is that they keep trying to force a bill through again and again and again. Only one success and they win but each time they lose they just rework it into a new bill.

      • Grindleader

        That is in interesting observation. Very true as well. Perhaps we should legislate something that says you can’t reintroduce a bill, reworked or not for some period of time, or limit it somehow. Or not be able to introduce a reworked bill without some kind of in depth examination etc. Try to hamstring lobby induced legislation without getting the approval of the people.

        • Grindleader

          Correction:

          Try to hamstring lobby induced legislation by needing approval of the people.

    • Grindleader

      Thanks, I hope you’re right.

  • markie

    I wonder how long it will be before the US put video cameras in every household to spy on you. They seem to love to control the world.

    • BlahBlahBlah

      They’ve already set up cameras at certain red light intersections, sooooo I’de say we aren’t that far off

      • Covenist5

        Chicago’s CCTV network is approaching London’s. You can’t walk around downtown, or in certain high crime neighborhoods without being on video

  • Hmm

    this is their biggest wet dream

  • Grindleader

    The real problem in regards to trying to stop this kind of bullshiet, is that at least in America, very few people even KNOW this is going on. When I mention this kind of thing to my co-workers, they look at me like a deer in the headlights. The haven’t even heard of most of this stuff.

    About the only way you can stop this kind of crap is by informing the public about it. What the issues are. That it is happening. MAKE them aware. Help them understand what is at stake. Use flyers, banners whatever it takes to get this in the public’s face.

    DO something. Help them to understand. It is the least we can do.

    • Jake

      No one is going to stop a law enforcement bill from going through because some freeloading teenagers wont be able to illegally download music.

      You people need to seriously get a grip on reality.

    • Jake

      No one is going to stop a law enforcement bill from going through because some freeloading teenagers wont be able to illegally download music.

      You people need to seriously get a grip on reality.

      • Grindleader

        Obviously, you have no real grasp of what is going on. You are just giving a knee jerk reaction to what you have been told rather than actually thinking about it and trying to validate the assumptions being made.

      • Glib

        What about when the US decides that Al Jazeera isn’t something the entirety of the Internet needs to see. Or that wikileaks isn’t something anyone should see?

        Blocking pirate stuff, I could really care less about; I’ll continue and provide anything and everything to my group of friends no matter what they come up with. However, realize that these blocks will be implemented on the GLOBAL DNS and the GLOBAL search engines … they’re trying to censor EVERYONE, not just their own country. If this was all just US based, I’d say “screw them” and let them rot in their little Internet hole … nobody is going to buy anything, even if they can’t download it.

        • Anonymous

          Seeing how the US likes to come out and institute world law why dont they just make an announcement stating they are taking over and for us all to bow down ?

        • Grindleader

          They are trying to put out a campfire with an atomic bomb. Not a reasonable response.

        • Covenist5

          not the first time

  • Anon

    This will backfire in the long run. The problem that they will soon run into when they attempt to dismantle file sharing, is that downloaders will simply just stop watching; if they cant get their hands on it, they won’t seek ‘approved’ sources, they won’t interact with that media at all. When that happens, you’ll see the number of paying users fall in accordance with those not paying, the money made from ad revenue will follow suit.

    It reminds me of when I stopped watching TV. I would hear people talking about ‘Jersey Shore’ and feel glad that I didn’t know what they were talking about.

    • StevO

      Completely agree. I too stopped watching TV. They are trying to drag me back arent they? CAn you believe that now they try to sell TVs with all the internet stuff like Hulu and crap built right in? They are trying to FORCE people into paying for even MORE than what they pay for the internet now. Its time to STOP paying for high-speed internet, and go back to dial-up for me.

    • Rofl

      It’s too bad I can only ‘like’ this comment once. I feel the same way.

    • Danny

       haha soo true i had the same with xfactor… i’ve had only internet for the last 5 years, tv? i dont miss it… full of ads and reality rubbish!!

  • Grindleader

    We need our own media blitz. It is possible. Lack of support and numbers will render this whole issue ineffectual. We NEED the backing of the public. If they don’t know about it, you are hosed before you even start. LET THEM KNOW ABOUT IT.

  • Him

    welcome all, to the god ol’ U.S of China! brought about by failed businesses that wont adapt and failed politicians that are too old and stupid to learn new technology (but not too old and stupid to fight what they dont understand and cant learn, particularly when there is a load of cash involved)

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  • The Net Testament

    The Internets

    Book 3 (The Downfall) – Verses 1 – 10

    1. And Lo! On the two thousand and twentieth year the internets did cease to be the wonder that it once was. For there were no human rights. There was no personal responsibility. There was not even sites showing kittens playing various musical instruments. For no one had asked the kittens to sign release forms or had licenced the tunes which played upon their clips.

    2. This came to pass when Obama had stood on the mountain of cash donated by Sony et al and he declared in mighty tones that the Democrats hated all things liberal and nice. The other leaders of the nations of the world did rejoice on their own mountains, declaring they all agreed with the Man.

    3. And on that day man & woman everywhere logged onto the internets and saw only this. He saw Amazon. He saw Facebook. He saw MSN. He saw Google. He saw Skype. He saw a multitude of app stores. He saw Ebay. He saw the tube of you.

    4. Of the other sites he saw none. Lo! There was no Bay of Pirates. Lo! There was no hunt of the Iso. Lo! There were no torrent freaks, nor VPNs. There were no uncensored blogs nor small start up businesses. There was no media of any kind at a reasonable price.

    5. And some people were wroth!

    6. There was not even any free pornography!

    7. And some people (mainly men) were even wroth-er.

    8. But most people shrugged their shoulders and told themselves that Obama was their leader and they could believe what he had told them about evil pirates and the binary ghost of Osama Bin Laden.

    9. The other people (the ones who were wroth-ing earlier), they went mightly into their garages, lofts, cellars and spare rooms and found their video machinary and cassette tapes. They returned to the traditional ways of trying before they bought.

    10. For it is said “Not everyone’s made of money you know? Why don’t you sell cinema tickets and DVDs and CDs for a decent price, you bastards?”

    • Hideo

      11. And then… the lawyers and politicians and music industry executives and all the other related tribes that wore suits and ties and worked in offices said unto themselves, “we have made the internets safe for intellectual property” which belongeth to us even though we did not create it.

      12. Then, across all the nations, the poor, the despised, the creative, the engineers and the denizens of the hacker tribe did rouse from their apathy, and their cry was heard across the internets onto every subnet, even the very least and most firewalled. “beware, o bitches of the suit tribe, for we are anonymous and LEGION, and the free internets we created are the legacy we bequeath to the generations that follow, and we will die to defend them…. and you’d better remember just WHO runs the networks.”

      13. Then verily did the shade of Jon Postel reappear, and the proliferation of the freenets, tor clients, hard anonymous encryption, remailers and peer to peer networks begin rise up to challenge the nations.

      14. Then did the Risen Christ come forth and reveal himself on His Anonymous Blog, and tell the people “Easier by far it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a plutocrat to enter the Internets of heaven…. and as for the trolling lawyer bastards, they are RIGHT out. For recall my one commandment; “thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself”… dost thou not understand this means Sharing is Caring?

      15. Then did the lawyers and evil politicians find their websites hacked, their misdeeds exposed, their operating systems infected, their bank accounts hacked and the proceeds sent to charity, and their naked pictures posted to 4chan.

  • FUBO 2012

    THANKS OBAMA, you COMMIE THUG.

  • anon

    So what can realistically be done to stop this? What should an individual do? I read all this “go around” and “see you back in irc”, but none of this solves the problem at hand. By circumventing this if it ever passes, nothing is solved. Any chance these sort of articles can provide something that might be attempted to actually stop this stuff instead of just griping about it. One person mentions writing letters, but more needs to be done to get these issues public.

    • Grindleader

      This issue needs to be shoved into the public’s face in order to arouse them from their stupor. Plaster it EVERYWHERE, eventually they will wake up and start taking notice and start looking around. There ARE lots of people who support the idea, they just aren’t aware what is trying to be pushed on us.

      It won’t be in the mainstream media, or unlikely. The ones trying to push it are going to try to do the closed door thing. They don’t want everyone to know about it. Public UN-AWARENESS is a big win for them, big loss for anyone that values freedom of the internet, or just freedom in general.

      • Anonymous

        “eventually they will wake up and start taking notice and start looking around”

        Although I wish this were true,  I don’t think that it is.  Most people, or certainly very many people, seem to be happy as long as they can get their daily dose of Failbook, Twatter, and Jewtube.

        Those people are perhaps already a lost cause.

    • Grindleader

      The other thing is, whatever is done, you better do it quick. These guys aren’t going to sit around waiting for you. Keep in mind, this IS NOT about file sharing, it’s about internet freedom.

    • Grindleader

      They are also counting on the apathy of the people, that no one will mount any kind of effective resistance.

    • Grindleader

      Think upon these words, and what they mean. They seem to be heard so seldom these days.

      I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the united states of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

      • Anonymous

        “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” — Samuel Johnson

        “With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to submit that it is the first.” — Ambrose Bierce

    • Grindleader

      I took this oath when I joined the military. I still believe in it.

      I, (
      NAME
      ), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
      defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
      foreign and domestic
      ; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
      same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United
      States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to
      regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

      • Jeezas fackin christ

        I, (
        NAME
        ), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
        defend the Constitution of the
        United States against all enemies,
        foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
        same; and that I will obey the orders of
        the President of the United
        States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to
        regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

        You
        are
        fucked.

      • Anonymous

        Fool.

        “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” — Samuel Johnson

        “With
        all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to
        submit that it is the first.” — Ambrose Bierce

    • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

      The mainstream media is specifically turning a blind eye to anything having to do with file sharing. I’m not sure why. There’s so much drama, lies, and intrigue, it’s amazing there’s not a channel with 24 hour coverage of all the bullshit and misdirection (lobbying) being put out by the MPAA and RIAA.

      I’d say that their overreaching powers are a direct result of the media not doing their jobs.

      • Grindleader

        The whole topic of file sharing is a bit dodgey, not exactly the best poster child for internet freedom, although it certainly does bring into focus the effects of what censorship really means.

        That is the problem though, these guys are going to try and keep the focus ON file sharing as a justification for what they do. They will do everything they can to redirect any focus on the fact that is indeed censorship and that it IS about freedom.

        They keep talking about stealing. To steal, something has to be lost. There is no real loss DUE TO FILE SHARING. You can’t just assume someone would have bought something, had they not downloaded it instead.

        I am really starting to wonder if the big guys aren’t ripping off their artists by skimming a little extra off the top and then blaming file sharing for the loss.

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          Yeah, i thought about this. Imagine how much money they’re spending in lobbying, legal fees, etc., just to dissuade young, poor kids that otherwise couldn’t buy their movie/ album anyway.

          They wouldn’t spend those millions if they weren’t seeing a return from somewhere. They may very well be cutting the artists’ profits and blaming piracy to pocket more money. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if record labels were making record profits.

          I was watching the news the other day – I’m not sure if this is related – but the newscasters were talking about how unemployment (the people on unemployment benefits, NOT the total number of people unemployed, which is far higher a percentage) is up to 9%, yet companies an CEO’s are making more profit than ever before. I’m not against someone making a profit, but this goes to show that by using the economic crisis as an excuse (just as filesharers are used as an excuse), companies can refuse raises, shed employees, and basically just ‘make do’ with a smaller work force getting paid less to do more work. That doesn’t fit the MPAA/ RIAA scenario perfectly, but it reminds me of an old Progressive saying: “Don’t let a good crisis go to waste”, and I believe the music an movie industry are certainly exploiting this ‘crisis’ (that they’ve invented) to their benefit. Somehow.

        • Grindleader

          Once upon a time, there lived a farmer. In the nearby woods lived several foxes. The farmer had a nice little chicken coup that the foxes would raid. The foxes decided one day, that things just weren’t up to snuff.

          So they got together and approached the farmer and told him that he had a hole in the fence around his chicken coup. It was a tiny little hole that the foxes couldn’t even get through. They told the farmer that because they felt that that hole needed to be addressed, that they themselves would take matters into their own hands and rectify it.

          The foxes went to the mayor of the town and told him that they were concerned about the farmers ability to protect his chickens, and, having the farmers and chickens best interest at heart, were going to fix it. They gave the mayor some money to help speed up the process.

          The foxes went back and put in all kinds of secret entries and doorways.

          Moral of the story:

          Do not trust those who have vested interests in fixing a problem.

        • Grindleader

          A better moral:

          Beware of those who have vested interests in fixing a perceived problem.

        • Grindleader

          Once upon a time, there lived a farmer. In the nearby woods lived several foxes. The farmer had a nice little chicken coup that the foxes would raid. The foxes decided one day, that things just weren’t up to snuff.

          So they got together and approached the farmer and told him that he had a hole in the fence around his chicken coup. It was a tiny little hole that the foxes couldn’t even get through. They told the farmer that because they felt that that hole needed to be addressed, that they themselves would take matters into their own hands and rectify it.

          The foxes went to the mayor of the town and told him that they were concerned about the farmers ability to protect his chickens, and, having the farmers and chickens best interest at heart, were going to fix it. They gave the mayor some money to help speed up the process.

          The foxes went back and put in all kinds of secret entries and doorways.

          Moral of the story:

          Do not trust those who have vested interests in fixing a problem.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          The Alyona Show has been posting updates on Bittorrent, Sony hacks and Anonymous, along with a more diverse opinion on Youtube. You should check it out since she’s one of the main places I go to keep updated on Bradley Manning’s case.

      • Grindleader

        Really though, all things aside, what gives a small minority or group, the right to circumvent, cheat, lobby etc, the policies of our nation? Isn’t that exactly what our founding fathers wanted to keep from happening?

        • Anonymous

          The words “small government” come to mind.

        • Grindleader

          Yup, but, don’t forget the powers that hide in the shadows, the ‘hidden’ government.

      • Grindleader

        Really though, all things aside, what gives a small minority or group, the right to circumvent, cheat, lobby etc, the policies of our nation? Isn’t that exactly what our founding fathers wanted to keep from happening?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PNHZ37G2ERNIZVLH3YJPS2ER3M chuckles88

    If they think they can do this, why can’t they stop Al Quida and other sites? It’s like trying to trap snot. Block it and it will just show up somewhere else. We may end up learning Chinese, but the sites will reappear elsewhere. Maybe Singapore or Dubai.

  • Piraatti

    Great firewall of America , how much it will cost to us taxpayers? Then some guy from Mexico makes profitable proxy and all this hard work wasted. It is so easy to round all blocks, interwebs need to go next generation.

  • freedom

    soon i have more rights in libya then anywere else,

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  • http://twitter.com/Freegiftszone freegiftszone.net

    @Freegiftszone:disqus ye right. no mor piracy online.. lol

  • http://twitter.com/ltamake Link Tamake

    And of course, this will be abused like fuck (like the DMCA was/is). Fuck them.

    • Anonymous

      You are quite right. Laws aimed at terrorism are now used to arrest anyone for almost any lame reason.

  • http://twitter.com/stalker75191 Emm

    Wow, the most corruptible government ever! They’re even worse than neo-communists!

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  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    Here’s the Obama administration you voted for, retards! Hollywood helped him get elected specifically so they would get special favors from the federal government.

    • Ninja

      McCain and Sarah Palin, Bush offspring , would certainly be much better. They’d go John Lennon style and spread peace and love, revoke the Patriot Act, throw COICA and the likes away and tell the greedy corporations and their lobbyists to stfu.

      Now we laugh our asses off.

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        It’s impossible to say what they would have done, but I can tell you what
        they wouldn’t do. McCain and Palin are not lawyers – they do not try and
        game the system. Conservatives like Palin adhere to the Constitution
        (probably moreso than McCain, though that’s speculation), and smaller
        government control.

        Obama and his Progressives, on the other hand, are all a bunch of scummy
        layers that warp and twist the Constitution and the laws into their
        political or ideological favor. They are all for greater government control
        - they want to regulate, regulate, and regulate some more, which means that
        they’ll give the government the power to take over domain names at the
        behest of the MPAA.

        THAT is what you voted for. Retards.

        • Anonymous

          If you really believe what you just said you better rethink who is actually the retarded one. I’ll give you a hint, if you look in a mirror he’ll be looking right back at you. And I’m not saying that to be a jerk, just to make you understand. It doesn’t matter who’s in office, this was bound to happen sooner or later. Bush, Palin, Obama, etc, whoever. Don’t believe that, like I said, question who the real retard is.

        • Anomonous

          Palin, McCain, & Obama are all puppets to the Elitist and Corporate Companys. Are only safe hope is Ron Paul for President. He is the only Politician that is truly for the People.

        • Ninja

          Actually I do believe Obama had good intentions and was actually planning to revamp the whole thing. But one US President alone cannot go against an established corporate system. I personally don’t blame Obama for being unable to do any better. Maybe he’s actually disgusted of have been absorbed by this inhuman money based system…

          Dunno, it’s may be just me… I mean, Kennedy got his brains spilled out of his head, maybe it was for going against that same system that we know now will yield only unfairness and destruction?

        • Dia

          Considering that lack of government control fucked billions of people (financial crisis), I’d say it’s a good thing.

        • Ninja

          Indeed. When the US Govt took a few trillion out of their magic printers and all the currencies around the world saw some hyper increase in their values. We can all see what is happening as a consequence.

          And I remember some ppl criticizing China for exerting too much control over Yuan. While it’s not direct control, the magic money from the US has no physical anchor (is that the word you use?) so it caused a natural loss of value to the dollar.

          The bitter sarcasm of this is that a good chunk of the “bail out” money went right to the pockets of the select group of Wall Street executives and (I could bet my kidneys) to a few politicians directly or indirectly.

          And as I write this parts of the US anthem comes to my mind and the irony of all the current situation of that country seem like some bad joke.

        • Anonymous

          Actually it was Government control that created the financial crisis. Congress in past years made a law forcing banks to lend money to the poor. A risky concept but that was acceptable mortgage defaults until the recession caused most of those risky poor families to default. This soon led to large drops in the housing market prices meaning banks could not then recover their investment.

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        It’s impossible to say what they would have done, but I can tell you what
        they wouldn’t do. McCain and Palin are not lawyers – they do not try and
        game the system. Conservatives like Palin adhere to the Constitution
        (probably moreso than McCain, though that’s speculation), and smaller
        government control.

        Obama and his Progressives, on the other hand, are all a bunch of scummy
        layers that warp and twist the Constitution and the laws into their
        political or ideological favor. They are all for greater government control
        - they want to regulate, regulate, and regulate some more, which means that
        they’ll give the government the power to take over domain names at the
        behest of the MPAA.

        THAT is what you voted for. Retards.

      • Anonymous

        Its the lobbyists…… @ (Ninja, Jay, electric_worry, Anomonous)

        Turning this into an American political party fight.
        Thats what the lobbyists want.…they profit from it…..

        BOTH parties… accept money from Lobbyists….

        The people , ( dem & rep ) NEED to stand together on this issue….

        NO MORE LOBBYISTS…

        Put your ideological differences aside….. they literally don’t matter at all….

        The lobbyists win if you fight….

  • Gae

    Its fine, we can all be happy when they block and censor everything because then of course all these claimed hundreds of thousands of lost jobs every year will become available and everyone will work in the music and film business with great pay as the billions in lost revenue suddenly reappears out of nowhere.

    Great work USA, you have solved everything, piracy will end and nobody will ever share anything again
    .

  • Dr_Faustus

    An “Anti-Piracy Censorship” bill sounds like they want to censor anything related to anti-piracy. Works for me! Waste of money anyway..

  • http://twitter.com/ActionManage Dan Brown

    Hi,

    I urge EVERYONE to comment on the proposed .net registry agreement.

    Make it clear that, for the most part, .net should continue to be run the way it is today without any of the new rules being invented for new TLDs.

    You can comment by sending an email to: net-agreement-renewal@icann.org.

    Your Comments Will Appear Here:

    http://forum.icann.org/lists/net-agreement-renewal/

    Best To All,

    Dan

    _____

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  • http://twitter.com/travney T.A. Henry

    Can everyone please twitter this message:

    If the PROTECT IP ACT goes into effect THEN I’LL DROP MY INTERNET http://goo.gl/7bDpO #usfirewallofcorruption

    And everyone remember, that the internet sees censorship as damage and reroutes it.

    • Anonymous

      I find their bill named PROTECT IP funny when it is like PROTECT IP FROM BAD IPs

      • Anonymous

        yea. should be … PROTECT PROFITS and OLD BUSINESS MODELS

        • Grindleader

           Protecting business is fine and dandy, no problem there.  Protecting shady, ill conceived, harmful, dishonest, selfish etc business practices IS a problem.  People need to learn to differentiate.  Protecting business is generally good, protecting bad business practices or policy is bad.

        • Grindleader

           Protecting business is fine and dandy, no problem there.  Protecting shady, ill conceived, harmful, dishonest, selfish etc business practices IS a problem.  People need to learn to differentiate.  Protecting business is generally good, protecting bad business practices or policy is bad.

        • Grindleader

           Protecting business is fine and dandy, no problem there.  Protecting shady, ill conceived, harmful, dishonest, selfish etc business practices IS a problem.  People need to learn to differentiate.  Protecting business is generally good, protecting bad business practices or policy is bad.

  • http://iamdisappoint.com/ Somedude

    If they are seriously considering this,then the work around will get “crowd-sourced” and tear them a new input terminal.

  • Skullv

    Its another steps towards controlling whole free Internet so now peoples can surf, see, download, listen only what they want you to.(Then there will be no means of internet a free world)

  • in.cog.nito

    The government already does not listen to us. If they pass this shit, it will not only be the end of net neutrality but the end of the US. You think the stuff in Egypt and Lybia was crazy? This is a fucking joke. Big business thinks they can control the people by force-feeding the government shit, something’s going to give.

    • StevO

      the only thing “giving” is our ability to get stuff. This was and is going to happen. It was all in due time from the begining. Internet is coorporate owned and regulated. Just like TV and Radio have been for ever. Did we really think we were going to have a say in the matter? pff yeah right.

  • in.cog.nito

    The government already does not listen to us. If they pass this shit, it will not only be the end of net neutrality but the end of the US. You think the stuff in Egypt and Lybia was crazy? This is a fucking joke. Big business thinks they can control the people by force-feeding the government shit, something’s going to give.

  • noone

    Where is Anonymous when you meed them?

  • http://twitter.com/Freegiftszone freegiftszone

    i have changed my name. it’s ok now?

  • http://twitter.com/Freegiftszone freegiftszone

    but i have changed… why it still displayng my old name?

  • http://twitter.com/Freegiftszone freegiftszone

    now it’s withoth .net :)

  • Me

    ill move out this country if this passes

  • ck

    It seems that no one here understands that file-sharing of creative works is STEALING. You are hurting no one but the the musicians/photographers/filmmakers. They are the artists. You are only hurting them. Everyone here seems to act like they are for the people, but in reality you are all out for yourselves. This is not censorship people, I think you need to get off your laptops and go back to school. The government is not “censoring” you, the files are available, you just have to pay for them. People spend years working on something only to have it stolen by the thieves that masquerade as civil rights proliferators. This bill is aimed at theft prevention. Stop the stealing, stop the lying. I have never written a comment on a page before, but I am so sick of seeing this kind of ridiculous rhetoric. Eventually there will be no quality art left because the artists will be forced to work other jobs to support their passions. Please look at yourselves and ask yourself if that is what you want because that is where we are headed.

    • ToKinGarg

      Troll

    • Xult

      A new member of the Troll family.
      Jack Murdock cloning as been resumed and output increased to
      help implement proposed new laws!

    • Jmorse43508

      Obvious troll is obvious.

      Another of that ilk only capable of parroting MAFIAA talking points/propaganda.

    • Anon

      ………*blink*………..BWAAAHAHHAAHHAHAHA. You don’t…I can’t… This has nothing to do with the artist silly. *sigh* I would go into detail, but ck has I have to go back to school.

    • Larry Flint

      Go get some porn, you seem to be in need of. Google (or duckduckgo) cheggit. Happy fapping.

    • Grindleader

      IT IS censorship. I am not saying that file sharing is right or wrong. I AM saying that the measures they are attempting, are infringements on EVERYONE’S freedom.

      You say they are stealing and infringing on the copyrights of others, and it is hurting SOME people. The measures they are trying to implement are infringing on the freedoms of EVERYBODY. Get the picture?

      They are trying to put out a campfire with a nuclear bomb.

      When will you numbnuts figure this out? I am not going to make a call on the right or wrongness of filesharing, but what they are trying to do to address it, is way out of proportion.

      Once upon a time, there lived a farmer. In the nearby woods lived
      several foxes. The farmer had a nice little chicken coup that the foxes
      would raid. The foxes decided one day, that things just weren’t up to
      snuff.

      So they got together and approached the farmer and
      told him that he had a hole in the fence around his chicken coup. It
      was a tiny little hole that the foxes couldn’t even get through. They
      told the farmer that because they felt that that hole needed to be
      addressed, that they themselves would take matters into their own hands
      and rectify it.

      The foxes went to the mayor of the town and
      told him that they were concerned about the farmers ability to protect
      his chickens, and, having the farmers and chickens best interest at
      heart, were going to fix it. They gave the mayor some money to help
      speed up the process.

      The foxes went back and put in all kinds of secret entries and doorways.

      Moral of the story: Beware of those who have vested interests in fixing a perceived problem.

    • Grindleader

      “People spend years working on something only to have it stolen by the
      thieves that masquerade as civil rights proliferators. This bill is
      aimed at theft prevention. Stop the stealing, stop the lying.”

      You know, this is EXACTLY how I feel about our politicians and corporate mega moguls. You have described their actions precisely. So, I guess you don’t care if the politicians and corporations do it, only if some file sharing schmuck does it, is that about right?

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Nice bit of trolling.

      What you are saying is, in effect, that Leonardo da Vinci, Shakespeare and Mozart never existed because there was no IP law to protect their works.

      And yes, in order to prevent person A from distributing information to person B you will need to be able to block, listen in to, and censor ALL communication. That’s why these steps against internet piracy BECOMES true censorship.

      Honestly. Go right back to not posting as long as you can’t keep factual, don’t know what’s going on, and have no clue as to what topic we are even discussing.

    • Donotreply

      I’m bored so I’ll feed the obvious troll (regulars who know what piracy really is all about need not read this post, though the repetition is good for the likes of TFs finest of trolls that make the comments a lol worthy read =) ).

      ‘It seems that no one here understands that file-sharing of creative works is STEALING.’

      Stealing means to deprive someone of property; Copyright Infringement is the making of an infringing copy of an artists work (not an official licensed product). Since nothing is taken (the original copy is still in the artists [*ahem* MAFIAAs] possession and hasn’t been moved or anything) the term “Copyright Infringement” is legally correct, therefore your shouting of the word stealing is inaccurate (not to mention in posting such a statement is liable for libel related charges, though I am not a lawyer and it might be in your interests to speak with one in future before you repeat such accusations).

      In short: Copyright infringement is not theft.

      ‘You are hurting no one but the the musicians/photographers/filmmakers. They are the artists. You are only hurting them.’

      Incorrect, not every download is a lost sale.

      Just because some random clicked a few links and downloaded a file does not mean they would have paid for a retail copy of the media downloaded. Upon downloading the file/media they could then make an informed decision as to either buy the item (say that 700MB avi/Xvid rip of a DVD and the movie was to their liking so they buy a retail copy for the better quality, extras or whatever other reasons that might be [personally I'd settle for a secondhand copy due to MAFIAA getting a share of the profits for these law suits etc but lets stick to this topic for the moment] ).

      The other side of the coin is that they choose not to buy the item because they simply didn’t like it (I could tell from the TV ads that some shows are not to my liking) and the downloaded file gets relegated to the recycling bin/trash/ and that infringing copy goes on to computer file heaven/hell =P.

      Finally, sometimes people only hear about items because they were able to download it (not all media comes attached with a marketing budget) so by people downloading something (because it looked interesting, the blurb looked OK but I wanted to try it out for myself first…) they are able to make an informed judgment (and maybe even a purchase of) about an item they otherwise may not have ever heard of (and if they like it then several more people will know about via the marketers wet dream called ‘word of mouth’).

      In the first instance no sale is lost because the person moves on to buy
      the item, the second sees again no lost sale because they would not
      have bought it regardless of the download (save those fooled by those
      doctored movie trailers etc which do happen more often than they should -

      http://www.cracked.com/article_15876_5-ways-hollywood-tricks-you-into-seeing-bad-movies.html
      ) and the third instance is no lost sale (regardless of downloading and later deleting the item) because it’s of an item that otherwise would have slipped under the radar and never see the light of day (for the artist of this item they could even gain sales as those who like it but otherwise would have missed out were able to buy it with confidence thanks to the scene’s uploads).

      Again: not every download is a lost sale.

      ‘Everyone here seems to act like they are for the people, but in reality
      you are all out for yourselves. This is not censorship people, I think
      you need to get off your laptops and go back to school. The government
      is not “censoring” you, the files are available, you just have to pay
      for them.’

      2 words: “Scope creep”

      First it’s piracy, then it’s media that is sensitive to the Government and before you know it George Orwell’s 1984 becomes a reality.

      Most famous Scope Creep example (I know it is Wikipedia of all sites but your more than welcome to use Google and find the poem elsewhere on a more official website if you prefer) – https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6

      Censoring piracy is but that first inch before they take a mile and shut down the rest of the Internet.

      ‘ People spend years working on something only to have it stolen by the
      thieves that masquerade as civil rights proliferators. This bill is
      aimed at theft prevention. Stop the stealing, stop the lying.’

      See above: Copyright infringement is not theft.

      ‘I have
      never written a comment on a page before, but I am so sick of seeing
      this kind of ridiculous rhetoric.’

      If you want to argue over the matter then let’s try and do this with a civil debate, crawling in here shouting “STEALING” is not a mature way to begin a discussion (not to mention legally inaccurate; it’s no mistake that the unauthorized copying of copyrighted materials is legally defined as ‘Copyright Infringement’).

      If after that you still don’t like what you see, then you can either agree to disagree or leave TF (the website is more than large enough to cater to both views on piracy).

      ‘Eventually there will be no quality art left because the artists will be forced to work other jobs to support their passions.’

      On the contrary; good artists will continue to profit from their work provided the work is of a good enough quality by a large enough amount of people who like and are willing to pay the artist to support development of future creative work. The only artists that will be joining the rest of us in the 9-5 (or whatever are your countries Business hours) are unsuccessful ones because it was either too niché and not enough people liked it to make it profitable (or well it simply… I dunno… sucked) and/or relied on opening sales to grab as much sales as they could as quickly as possible before reviews were released showing just how much of a rip off the product really is (or tricking you into it like that movie trailer article I linked to earlier in this post).

      ‘Please look at yourselves and ask yourself if that is what you want because that is where we are headed.’

      A word where art was sold for the sake of being art, was of a good/high standard because it had to be to make sales and not rely on clever marketing to generate sales, then yes sign me up please and I’ll pay double the entry fee with pleasure :)

      Thank you for trolling TF; I look forward to an intelligent well constructed response to this post (don’t mind the name Donotreply, just something I use for this DISQUS thing-o).

      Failing that, well pictures are worth 1,000 words so…

      http://ihackmyi.com/files/upload/b/1-258troll_spray-1.jpeg

      FYI: I don’t pirate.

      • Donotreply

        ERROR: (the website is more than large enough to cater to both views on piracy).

        Correction: (the web is more than large enough to cater to both views on piracy).

        (I’m not registered with DISQUS so can’t edit my posts.

        Apologies to TF for implying any support towards the MAFIAA anti-torrent/piracy campaign in that error =/

  • ck

    It seems that no one here understands that file-sharing of creative works is STEALING. You are hurting no one but the the musicians/photographers/filmmakers. They are the artists. You are only hurting them. Everyone here seems to act like they are for the people, but in reality you are all out for yourselves. This is not censorship people, I think you need to get off your laptops and go back to school. The government is not “censoring” you, the files are available, you just have to pay for them. People spend years working on something only to have it stolen by the thieves that masquerade as civil rights proliferators. This bill is aimed at theft prevention. Stop the stealing, stop the lying. I have never written a comment on a page before, but I am so sick of seeing this kind of ridiculous rhetoric. Eventually there will be no quality art left because the artists will be forced to work other jobs to support their passions. Please look at yourselves and ask yourself if that is what you want because that is where we are headed.

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  • MAC

    Half the shit there claiming is there’s is shit they stole from someone else.
    Some nerve. The world is in chaos Japan nuke plant, BP oil, gas prices, unemployment…etc….and there worried about Justin Timberlakes bank account.
    LMFAO…..hope they all go down in a plane crash.

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  • Mike

    Yeah. Who cares. If this ever happened. I’d love to see what they say when sales generally remain the same.

  • Appalled UK

    The only people which will benefit from this will be scumbag lawyers. How any American official can critisize China and their censorship is beyond me!
    Fucking hypocrites.

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  • Predator

    There we go!

    The corporation of parasites’ gov is trying to steal the internet from us. Of course we can take many technical defensive measures against them to preserve our privacy and freedom. This is easy and we should certainly do it but we should not focus on this and believe we are safe.

    However any good military strategists will tell you that the best defense is offense.

    We have to attack all these corporation of parasites now and prevent them from doing business.

    We have to massively advertise to all the citizen world wide of the terrible danger we are currently facing and organize a massive world wide boycott to death of few strategic big corporations at first.

    We have to kick-out of internet ALL the corporate parasites their lawyers and their government servants.

    Internet is our not their!

    • Donotreply

      A peaceful PR campaign with regards to the positives of piracy would be a welcome start.

      …I’ll leave the ‘last resort’ ideas to those with more creative minds than I.

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  • AlyssaBlindy

    This is so stupid and dumb. This is going to make me really mad I think I am about to cry or something. Yes, I do actually cry when I am mad. I don’t know what causes it, but I do. Stupid stupid idiots. The internet is a place for the free transfer of information, not a place to be killed by legislation. Can someone find me a hole to crawl in so I can go punch everything in it? Lol this is really bad, and I do not know what to do.

    • Anonymous

      What you can do AlyssaBlindly is tell people about this. Especially people who love writing their representatives and people who care about their freedoms. Explain to them the “cause” behind this bill and then explain to them that while “piracy” is the reason this is being brought up, it’s just an excuse. And if it’s allowed to go forward “piracy’ will just be the first thing they attempt to censor and block. Next it could be anything anti-government. Then any religion the status quo doesn’t approve of. And so on and so forth. Til eventually everything they feel isn’t suitable will be blocked and censored and you won’t be allowed to see anything at all online.

      I can’t find you a hole to crawl into and punch everything while you cry from anger (and I’m making fun of you, just to be clear). But like I said, I can tell you what to do. Spread the word. Not sure about how you feel about downloading things online, but however you may or may not feel, just know that this isn’t be done for your benefit or mine. It’s being done to please corporations who lobby to get things like this passed in their favor. Groups like the MPAA/RIAA and while I respect their right to protect their interest, I don’t think they should at the expense of your right to see whatever you please on the internet. Or your right to share your points of view online. Because all that runs the risk of being censored by this.

      I hope this helps you figure out what to do. Feel free to ask for more info. Myself or one of the many others will gladly respond. Others have other ideas, just look around and see what pops out at you.

  • Anonymous

    Im posting the hell out of this anywhere I can I advise everyone to do the same to get the word out

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  • blub

    freedom? definitely not in USA

  • Foff

    The more this sh#t is rammed down our throats the more I see the need of business free internet lll. The scales are being tipped more and more towards a censored internet. The solution as I see it is to rebuild the internet. We need an internet paid and supported by donations not corporations. We need an internet without an isp and top domains spread world wide so no one country can control it. No google or any tos’s that decide for us what can and cannot be said. No one to sue, no providers to be forced to shut down a site.

    Sure freedom like this has costs. The bad like, illegal porn, hate speech, radicalism may flourish on the network but we will have ultimate freedom. We can express freely, trade freely, be free of culture restricting copyright laws. It would be worth it.

    After all the only true way to verify if the argument that copyright laws protect creativity is to eliminate them all and see if creativity goes away. In my opinion copyright laws only make third parties rich and have little if any benefit to the primary parties. Celine Dion, for example, makes hundreds of millions on tour and in vegas every year and would continue to do so with or without the protection of copyright laws. The point is laws don’t make the money, the creativity makes the money. Good artists will get paid with or without copyright law.

    Who would not invest a couple of hundred million to make a billion in the space of a year or two. For you math people that is a 250 to 500% roi depending on the time it takes to get a movie into the theater. With or without copyright law that investment would continue to be made.

    Finally in my experience by the time a law can be agreed on technology has by passed its effect. Pirate sites don’t sit on their thumbs and wait they innovate. Just like prohibition sites will go under ground. The pirate bay or demoniod will look like little boutiques unless you put in a password in a secret location you will never get to the real site. Sites will become skilled at hiding their location and real domains. The costs to track down and shut these sites down will far out weigh the benefits as the second they find one it will switch to site B and be up and running in minutes.

    • Grindleader

      ” Just like prohibition sites will go under ground. The pirate bay or
      demoniod will look like little boutiques unless you put in a password in
      a secret location you will never get to the real site. Sites will
      become skilled at hiding their location and real domains.”

      LOL, internet speakeasy’s. Hmm, organized crime made a bundle running moonshine. Maybe we should just let them do it and become rich internet gangsters.

      • Ninja

        Count me in.

  • Anonymous

    The US Government and the Canadian Government are selling its people out to Hollywood check out PROTECT IP Act and Bill-C32

  • Loll

    I hope none of the piracy advocates on here ever have to try to get paid for their own work. Good luck, because you will be bit-torrented into the poorhouse.

    • Grindleader

      Are you friggin brain dead? First, I have never seen even one shred of EVIDENCE that anyone has LOST money because of file sharing. Also, even IF there were evidence, and that’s a big if, censoring EVERYONE for the benefit of a FEW is not a measured response. We are talking about freedom here. Give these people an inch and they will take 10 miles. Do you not understand that? I am not saying your view is wrong, merely that the solution is way out of proportion and will create a WORSE OVERALL situation for EVERYONE. Do you see that? I pray you do, your freedom is at stake as much as anyone else’s.

    • Grindleader

      Another thing. Ok, lets assume you are an artist. For the sake of argument, lets say you can prove you lost revenue due to file sharing. You are incensed. These laws are enacted. And, again for the sake of argument, the amount you lost was $10k. After the laws, you starting getting this money stream back. Have you looked into what these laws want to do? Now that the laws are in place, you now need to pay more money to the controlling people, who now have total control and charge you for being able to market your artistic produce. They will charge premiums for market placement. If someone doesn’t like your stuff, or you piss off the wrong person, or are not signed with some big organization, your ability to market your product on the internet is SEVERELY curtailed. The OVERALL effect is to slow innovation and new ideas.

      Was your $10k worth the loss of EVERYONES ability to have a free and EQUAL marketplace? And that is completely ignoring the fact that censorship of any kind goes against the principles this country was founded on. We have the right to free speech. If I want to promote some screwball idea I can. Will anyone listen? Who knows. The point is, I am able to do it for the sake of adhering to the notion of freedom of speech.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    PROTECT IP Act is a piece of sell-out shit.soojn it will be time for some serious war on those who fuck with us

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    PROTECT IP Act is a piece of sell-out shit.soojn it will be time for some serious war on those who fuck with us

  • Anonymous

    Sorry us so called pirates will not be in the poorhouse because we maintain full time jobs and produce forms of art / culture in our spare time for the pure joy and love of it. Making money is a nice bonus but not necessary. So dont go feeling like being an artist is a full time job because its not. You can go on about you rlis all you want yet the truth is no one is going broke n Hollywood when the studios kep recoding record profits

    One downloaded copy does not equal lost sales either if the money never existed to begin with.

    .

  • Anonymous

    Sorry us so called pirates will not be in the poorhouse because we maintain full time jobs and produce forms of art / culture in our spare time for the pure joy and love of it. Making money is a nice bonus but not necessary. So dont go feeling like being an artist is a full time job because its not. You can go on about you rlis all you want yet the truth is no one is going broke n Hollywood when the studios kep recoding record profits

    One downloaded copy does not equal lost sales either if the money never existed to begin with.

    .

  • Loll

    So this generation’s Bob Dylan is going to have to code php instead of perfect his craft? Or I guess he can perfect his craft on the weekends? Pretty myopic point of view. Artists should be supported, not stolen from.

  • Anonymous

    When they chop vpn access You get a dedicated or vps server and set up your own vpn to use it really isnt very hard if you have some technical knowledge. OpenVPN for the win

  • All children of the revolution

    Armed violence is due to start. Not a threat by the way, just a prediction.

    There is only so long that people can be pushed and cut out of the political cycle before they rise up. Russia in 1917 was an example and the loss of colonies by the UK, France etc in the mid 1950′s another series of examples. Northern African events are more recent examples and are what the western governments should really be really really affraid of.

    It will come to the government buildings of the US, the UK, the EU in the near future I am sure – heck even todays drone pilots are former gamers. You cannot have a generation play first person shooters, or even Sims without one day fighting back against the State when they keep removing rights – unless Sony gets the PSN back up and running soon…….

    Is it going to take molotov cocktails on the streets of Paris, or car bombs outside the MAFIAA offices in Hollywood, or targeted hits on lobbyists before our elected officials stop playing the corporate game? I hope it never comes to that, but I see it moving further towards it.

    I worry about the future, as there are people out there that will do these things and be branded home grown terrorists for trying to protect freedom in countries around the world from exactly these deprevisions of liberty.
    One day however, these people will be called patriots.

    Once upon a time in the 1930′s and early 40′s facists ruled much of Europe. They were defeated, but only after a long bloody struggle and once they were, their crimes against humanity were exposed for the sick perversion that they were. Millions suffered silently and paid the ultimate price, others fought and died to protect freedom (many more the ideology of Communism by saving mother Russia), but one thing was certain. The worlds population’s, while slow to anger, had a great ability to fight back until the bitter end.

    If people want to end this now, then they must start to mobilise physically in protest. Use Facebook/twitter etc to drag out your appathetic friends on to the street, or make them aware, because we are facing the greatest threat to global Western freedom that will have a ripple effect through Western nations if these draconian laws are passed unchallenged.

    It only takes a few people to start a movement to create change – remember the 70′s and how much they achieved.

  • Greenwilly

    RIAA-lobbyist-turned-federal-judge
    Beryl Howell.This is Justice in America at its finest. Beryl Howell.This is Justice in America at its finest.Bought and paid.Next……

    Now the USA will continue to pursue justice further to control the Internet.

  • anon

    YOU CAN’T STOP THE SIGNAL

    • Anonymous

      Is that a Serenity reference? Because if so, a well deserved +1 to you. Mr. Universe and the crew of Serenity showed the Alliance what’s what.

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  • Trespass

    Nike is on the list. So who has been downloading tennis shoes? Out with it… Come clean… Tell me how to do it…

  • Anonymous

    You know as a young kid i was taught to share and be nice and respect others , why hasnt Hollywood learned this

  • Anonymous

    setting up my server to run a few different vpn keys thinking of renting vpn access out

  • https://thepiratebay.org/user/manOtor/ manOtor

    Scary idea, but this will never go through – COICA didn’t, why should it be any different with this one?

    If it does anyway, we’ll just reach a next level, and as other commenters already predicted, it’ll only bring us one step closer to the end of this completely ridiculous farce about greed and how reason is going to win in the end.

    Don’t worry:

    The system is deeply corrupt already, and the more corrupt it gets, the sooner it will have destroyed itself in the process.

    An inevitable outcome ;)!

  • StevO

    THings you can do. Please feel free to add more things. These things RELY on pirates.

    1. DO NOT buy those TVs with Hulu or any other subscription services built in.
    (hurt tv sales)

    2. Cut your high speed internet down to half-speed or get dial-up again.(hurt the ISPs)

    3. STOP buying stupid high priced worthless smart phones that require data plans.(hurt the cell companys)

    4. STOP buying massive hard-drives, dvd media, CDs. (you wont need them anymore, hurt the computer industry)

    (keep in mind that these industys have relied heavily on free media for the masses, now they want to get every penny from us, and have turned their backs)

  • RONPAUL

    Ron Pual 2012 is are only hope.

  • https://thepiratebay.org/user/manOtor/ manOtor

    On the other hand, I wonder when the CIA will stage the first “Pirate Bombing”.

    Maybe in some Internet cafe. Max casualties. Probably simultaneously in several countries. The governments would have to react.

    Make us pirates terrorists and – whopdedoo – passing through an overall and complete Internet censoring would be no problem anymore at all.

    Even scarier idea :(…

  • Anonymous

    I can see it now a guy gets sent to prison for pirating justin Beibers movie the guys at the table ask each other what they are in for

    Im in for Raping a girl, ….. Im in for robbing a bank and shooting the tellar………………. Im in for sharing the Justin Beiber movie.

    man oh man would i love to be a fly on the wall of that room just to see the look son their faces.

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  • Qwerqw

    This will never pass

  • Anon

    sad to say that this will pass, then they will censor the “terrorist web pages” the pages that promote any anti american thought i.e. any scocial networking webiste; so say good bye to face book and twitter. and another thing you all probably havent thought of is say good bye to porn websites they all stream copyrighted material and before long that will be censored too because its indecent and not good for the normal christian american. and by the time theyre done censoring the things they dont like whats going to be left? business websites, its going to be nothing but ebays, amazons and blogs about what over priced peice of technology you need to buy to be a good american.

  • omega

    Welcome china here we come.. this is just full of
    shit..a free man can’t unlearn and be denied what he yearns for.. read some interesting
    stats the other day 90% plus of US wealth is controlled by 5% odd of the population
    or some thing like that.. so they want to f… us over some more..

    Deny a man his privilege to music , games and some creative software
    because i can’t pay the top dollars..fu… this.. this just freaks me out ..let
    the ignorant pay and add to their
    inflated bottom lines.

    i demand and want my intellectual freedom to do what i want,
    when i want, and how i get it. No doubt facilitated
    by people who address and provide us the
    fabulous content to be shared over the infinite
    net..

  • Nobody

    Bottom of page 1: “Additionally, an ISP is never required to modify its network or facilities to comply with a court order.” Did anyone else notice that giant loophole?

  • asdf

    Damn those fucking ass corporations, I wonder how much lobbying it takes for them to change a lightbulb. These bastards have no mercy on anyone including people who don’t event pirate at all. This form of internet censorship must stop. This is why we need more people who support; network neutrality, freedom of torrenting, peer-2-peer, and pirates alike to stand up and protest. If your wondering how you can take action on this; blog, support offical pirate political parties, tell people you know and try to convince them to stand up, spread this information around, vlog, contact your local political peers and try to gain their support against shit like this from ever happening. Complaining and ranting, and sitting around won’t do anything. The best means of stopping this from occurring is taking action. I would say that this is just to start of the ending of Network neutrality, whereas these jackass corporations, media, propaganda, big brother, government, limitations, advertisers and etc. start to try to take over the internet and ruin the freedom of it for the rest of us for their own self benefit. We must stop this.

  • Linjin0012

    They are so nice
    Please open the web site: http://www.yessoso.com

    • Trespass

      Spam somewhere else…

  • http://twitter.com/askbillmitchell Bill Mitchell

    In the natural progression of stupidity the next step is to force the technology makers (Microsoft, Google, Apple) to track users. For example all three mention create a web browser, I could envision the next step is have your so called “private” bookmarks to be snooped upon and if you have a site the gov doesn’t like they can slap some sort of conspiracy or accessory charge against the end user. Just when we think politicians have reached the epitome of stupidity, they keep out doing themselves.

    *facepalm*

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  • Grindleader

    This is the equivalent of me going 50 in a 30 mile an hour zone, and the cops giving the rest of the world a ticket because they didn’t catch me.

  • khf

    No country for Americans

  • StevO

    THings you can do. Please feel free to add more things. These things RELY on pirates.

    1. DO NOT buy those TVs with Hulu or any other subscription services built in.

    (hurt tv sales)

    2. Cut your high speed internet down to half-speed or get dial-up again.(hurt the ISPs)

    3. STOP buying stupid high priced worthless smart phones that require data plans.(hurt the cell companys)

    4. STOP buying massive hard-drives, dvd media, CDs. (you wont need them anymore, hurt the computer industry)

  • Grindleader

    Doesn’t it seem ironic, that the very measures they try to implement to stop what they perceive as a threat, are a far greater threat, to more people, than the one they are trying to stop?

  • Grindleader

    Doesn’t it seem ironic, that the very measures they try to implement to remove a perceived threat, is a far greater threat, to more people, than the original problem?

    • Grindleader

      Sorry for the double post.

  • Anonymous

    And our tax dollars spent on Obama’s vacations, a military that ought to be more focused on domestic affairs, and a national deficit in the trillions…. How about we stop importing from China and Japan and work on more important issues? Balancing the budget adequately, cutting politician’s pay until they actually do something for ‘we’ the people for a change? Oh wait…. That’s piracy! What the music industry is doing now is outright road bandetry!

  • PretentiousCat

    Creativity flourished for as long as humanity has existed. For humans were made to create.

    Copyright should only apply to copying for purpose of selling. Which is theft.

    If copyright was taken away, creativity would probably flourish. Using ideas and techniques from others freely to improve their own ideas. Which then lend freely to others.

    It would simply create the ultimate artistic culture.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1410231155 Jaworski Rafa?

    Welcome to United States of Soviet Union!

  • dragqueen

    So we’re going back to the 90′s and old-school tape recorders. No problem to me, my Yankee boys, I really liked 90′s :)

  • dragqueen

    So we’re going back to the 90′s and old-school tape recorders. No problem to me, my Yankee boys, I really liked 90′s :)

  • Necrophyte

    The fuck happened to the presumption of innocence, right to trial by a jury of peers, and knowing what the fuck you’re doing?

  • Necrophyte

    The fuck happened to the presumption of innocence, right to trial by a jury of peers, and knowing what the fuck you’re doing?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathaniel-Campbell/626689249 Nathaniel Campbell

    like the PSN crisis, having the network down has cost SONY alot of money. SONY has now offered free games and PSN service to people once its back up and running. provided that you update (“conform”) to their new software….. i say shut the internet down for a month and see how much money these corporations lose as opposed to what we “steal”!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathaniel-Campbell/626689249 Nathaniel Campbell

    ps. i pay for the internet. which means i pay for content. that content should be of my choice!

  • james little

    The internet has worked great for the past 17 or so years that I have had access to it. It had been a bastion of free speech, where people of all nations could connect to it without having to worry about some draconian laws or policies influencing the function of the net. Sure there was piracy, there always had been piracy even before the net was common. People would connect to BBS’ to share knowledge and data. 1′s & 0′s we loved to share them. So why the fuck do they want to break it now? you fuck over the DNS system and you’ll then create a fractured net. Way to go morons. You would make the Chinese proud

  • Fake

    No resources to investigate bank fraud or Rumsfeld’s company supplying nuclear material to North Korea – you see somebody may have downloaded a copy of a song they heard on the radio!

    By 2009 the FBI had 30,000 full time agents and a budget of billions but they only filed 17 organized crime charges for the entire year. Why? Because they’re busy protecting profits for the media cabal.

    Starve the Beast. Never pay for media. Always vote against RIAA/MPAA whores.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VKIMVRVSYDQSOEZBMF2UXJZFMU DavidDavid

    SOLUTION — If it passes, I say everyone should try to stop buying movies altogether :P

  • AnarchyNow

    U$A = worse than nazi totalitarian capitalist tyranny without any future except to nuke the whole world.

  • Dias

    Could they at least make the internet not so shitty here in the US? It’s so damn slow at a high ass price (50$+). It’s like storing pieces of turtle shit in a maximum security vault.

  • democracy my ass

    Do it. Do it! Apparently some huge mayhem is necessary. If the people are to apathetic to do anything about it, or worse, they’re powerless to do anything about it, then let the “land of the free” burn.

  • getoffayaweebassa

    old mc donald had a farm e i e i o

    and on that farm free downloaders abound e i e i o

    with a stupid law here and a stupid law there

    here a fat there a fat here a fat lawyer

    old mcdonalds had a farm

    and all the web sites migrated abroad.

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  • Dia

    2012: Blocking of Radical Muslim Websites

    2013: Blocking of Liberal Websites

    2014: Blocking sites connected to countries that don’t do what USA wants

    2015: Libery and Justice for all – gone.

  • Happyday

    Watch this….. we need a revolution.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWTKNbNSadU

  • guest

    First step on the road to chinese censorship

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  • Jonathon

    It’s about time…..

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  • Anonymous

    So just how is my sharing of a a dvd costing Hollywood? what is it costing them. Last tme i checked no physical items changed hands. They still have the original and can make money from it .

  • Mr X

    Does anyone remember when governments served people?

  • Grindleader

    To all the shills and uninformed non thinking people,

    This bill has nothing to do with protecting copyrights. It is all about protecting the big industries ability to control a particular type of media. Music, movies etc.

    In the early days of rock and roll, the big guys would pay DJ’s a little something to play a particular song more. Payolla. How many times in movies and such, have you seen the big guy yell at someone that they will never work in this town again.

    They have a tight grip on whatever industry they happen to be in. They control who gets seen or heard. They control nearly every aspect of what goes on. They determine who is going to get the best venue etc.

    With the advent of the internet, their control has been weakened. Now, anyone who has, say a new band, can get GLOBAL exposure, WITHOUT the consent of the big industry leaders.

    They are fighting for their lives, the problem is, they are going about it the wrong way. Instead of rolling with the punches, they want to maintain their outmoded business model of controlling everything, and are willing to do anything to keep it, even at the expense of everyone else. They only care about money.

    So don’t give me the weepy sob story about how file sharing, and this really isn’t about file sharing, has hurt the poor artists.

    Those industry fat cats have done more to hurt artists than any other thing ever will.

    And you want to give them control of the internet? What a great idea. Corrupt control freaks are what we need to make everything better. Sure, that makes sense.

  • Anonymous

    an OpenDNS system is on its way im sure

  • Marcus

    USA now a wholly owned subsiduary of MAFIAA

  • MC

    Seems to be a viable tactic when it comes to policy laundering……….just keep introducing this type of legislation again and again, each time slightly reworded and with a snazzy new Orwellian doublespeak acronym, until one of them gets passed purely due to statistical probability. Theres nothing from stopping this from happening, theres no double jeopardy when it comes to bad bills. Whats needed is protection from vested interests being able to inject draft legislation directly onto the floor of the house/senate, which is essentially what they have now.

  • Anonymous

    Just sent this story to CNN as a news tip

  • Guest

    ya you know who else do that? CHINA

  • Kasia

    Fuck ‘em. They pay me shit for wages, they get subsidies from the government (paid for by me), they get tax breaks (paid for by me), they circumvent the democratic process and make MY government do what THEY want: cut my wages, cut my pension, make my education unaffordable, drive down the standard of living… Fuck ‘em! I’ll rip them off until they’re fucking bankrupt.

  • Vvangvienginfo

    Looks like baidu and yandex are going to get all the business

  • 314

    I am a documentary film maker and my only proposed solution (cause that just the way I think) is that we make a documentary about this. Lets fight fire with fire….. Get the word out there, and convince people, this is a problem, and copyright infringement is simply the red herring. The companies and government is using each other, the companies are using the government for the lesser ‘copyright’ issue, while the government is using the companies to get this bill across as there foot in the door.

    I don’t see how this is much different that Egypt and their internet policy which help to spark the revolution, that the US supported.  It seems that due process is going out of the window in these cases, and forget about even trial apparently. I don’t even understand the base reasoning, how does this help the everyday worker that these studios? Since they don’t get paid the percentage, their wage is steady, this is all about profit margin going to higher ups and encouraging people to spend the little money they have on frivolous things.

    There is no way this is a copyright issue. My only way going about this is to document and spread this, convince the people (we can’t convince the congress people cause our argument is based in logic, a language they don’t understand).

    However, this won’t be easy and I will need your guys support. This can be good and done well and we barely need a budget (I have taken a $500 budget documentary to Cannes Film Festival before). I have the equipment (camera and editing), but will you guys rise? Will you guys help me and help each other. We need to organize and present this issue for what it is, not what it is meant to be perceived as. This is our country, we live here…. those people in congress and those companies just stay here periodically between their lavish vacations.

    My request to torrentfreak: will you help organize, will you help spread the word for demonstrations and rallies. If we can get 10,000 people standing outside congress saying that we see through your BS, maybe people will listen (maybe not congress but people around in the US and other countries), we are the revolutionary people, we are the ones who started all this, but it seems like we have forgotten this, that it is even perceived that those who revolt in America are unpatriotic, but in reality its those in sitting in power (congress/companies {its hard to tell them apart any more}).

    Hell this might not even work at all, but at least we know we tried, that we tried to do something…..

    • BarrackOhbama

       A brilliant idea.  Look at how conspiracy theory documentaries (and the ideas in people’s minds, in general) have gained so much traction since 2000; it’s easy to convince people of pretty much anything on the internet.  It’s so simple: just look at an ignorant cesspool of agitprop like “Loose Change”.  It’s just a matter of presenting a good string of emotionally-fired evidence (even if it isn’t true) with ominous background music and good oration that makes it look like everybody the government is out to fucking get you.  It works to our advantage that in this case it’s actually true.  I’m sure there are some excellent, well-known law professors and economists that will provide interviews for it.  On “Steal this Movie” (which was a good documentary but not nearly emotional or propagandish enough) they got some fairly prominent intellectuals to speak for them.  People just haven’t had it fed to them in such a way to get them all excited about it.  So if you’re a documentary maker, do it!  I’m serious.  We really should fight fire with fire.  I’m sure there are some excellent, well-known law professors and economists that will provide interviews for it.  On “Steal this Movie” (which was a good documentary but not nearly emotional or propagandish enough) they got some fairly prominent intellectuals to speak for them.  People just haven’t had it fed to them in such a way to get them all excited about it.  So if you’re a documentary maker, do it!  I’m serious.  We really should fight fire with fire.

      • BarrackOhbama

        I don’t know why it double posted like that, sorry… 

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  • BarrackOhbama

    Americans need to take personal responsibility for this situation.  The US has become a prolific corporatocracy and it has happened because of apathy.  As much as drooling, raving political extremists will paint the United States as some sort of authoritarian dictatorship, the fact of the matter is that Americans elected the people who are responsible for this.  Now, with this bill, it has become incredibly salient that lobbyists are [i]taking your country for a ride[/i], and it’s sad to see.  It’s not just corporate lobbyists, either.  Union lobbyists are also very widespread and very damaging (and often in league with the corporations).  There are emotional political whacko lobbyists, like religious nuts and envirofascists influencing your government’s decision making as well.  A censored, economically degraded America is no good for the rest of us, as much as we keep our heads buried snugly in our own assholes about it.  We love America, all of us, whether or not our pride allows us to openly admit it.

    It’s time to take immediate and decisive action to stop the insanity.  Internet censorship is only one small part of what is deep, pervasive, high-level corruption.  Place your votes [i]only[/]i on candidates that openly oppose lobbying and the corporatocracy in general. And probably most importantly, confront everyone on the issue.  Don’t let people talk about “internet piracy” and get away with it.  Piracy is robbing a boat on the high seas.  Downloading a torrent is not robbing a boat on the high seas (I think I stole that one from Richard Stallman, just for the record…he wouldn’t mind).

  • DIxy

    and people wonder why everyone hates Yanks

    • Grindleader

      Being an American, I would guess because we are supposed to be the leaders and bastions of freedom.  The rest of the world looks upon us as the ultimate source of freedom.

      That is what our ‘leaders’ spout off when it’s convenient for them.  Yet, when the shit hits the fan, we fail to live up to those standards.

      It really is our fault, for not standing up for our beliefs and allowing the current situation to grow ever more serious, due to our inaction.  If freedom really matters, and is not just a nice sounding word, then whining about it’s loss is going to do nothing.  If you are serious about protecting it, then action is what is needed. 

      The system is flawed, but if you get enough people actively using the system, through sheer numbers you can start to change the climate and have an effect, such as tearing down unjust laws etc.

      They do control most of the system, but that is where the sheer numbers comes in.  If enough people get involved, you can defeat and disarm the powers that currently exist.

      Oh, and get rid of the fed, biggest obstacle to freedom in this country.

  • Monkeyman

    It makes even more sense now why companies like microsoft are actively encouraging people to use cloud computing, to take the virtual biscuit out of your mouth with government blessing. With these new ant-freedom laws all they are doing is shitting on the public and expecting them to like the taste… hope it backfires and generates a whole new method to bypass this nonsense, much like torrents did 10-15 years ago.

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  • http://www.weblinesys.com Merrill Kingston

     Fools!  This isn’t the US government.  It’s the Fabains, who control virtually all governments, that aren’t communist, and they’re all (including communists) are collectivists.  They all have the same goal, only the tactics are different.  Neither will rest, until we are all fully under their control and that day isn’t all that far off.

  • Anonymous

    We are legion

  • Anonymous

    We are legion

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  • Imyme

    I guess it’s time to start using imagination and fuck all of them together in their orgy of ownership and bullshit. I am going to quit going to the cinema, I am going to stop buying music, I am going to stop buying books. Let them see who is the stronger one here. If nobody goes to the cinema or buys a single CD/song or book for a whole month, they will realize they have to take real good care of the consumer.

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  • Tonymontana

    Three bills for the Democrats under the sky,

    Seven for the Republicans in their halls of stone,

    Nine for Jolly Fat Men doomed to die,

    One for the MAFIAA on their dark thrones

    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

    One Bill to rule them all, One Bill to find them,

    One Bill to bring them all and in the darkness bind them!

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  • Imutau

     What a joke!! If this ever passes this would mean companies like Google, Yahoo and Microsoft could be held liable seeing as they are the biggest linkers to pirated data. I can’t see the majority of politico’s going for this garbage. 

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  • Aaron Russo

    Freedom to Facism

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  • Guest

    Frankly, I have no problem with paying for my stuff. But I’m not going to subsidize Chinese and Indian piracy. This is nearly half the world. Because Western companies get ripped out elsewhere and they are too pussy to stop it or believe that they will recoup it in the future (which is NOT going to happen) when these society’s become more “Western,” they want me to make up for their bottom line. Sorry. Have half the world pay for its warez before you come after me. You exported my job, will export the new job I have in a few years. Do you really think I will help fund my own extinction?? This is how deep piracy is as a form of economic resistance. Fuck these companies. They should play by the rules themselves.

  • Boris

    Smart people will find a way. It will be more time consuming, but worthwile effort.

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    organize and fight back

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  • Covenist5

    another solution, good old bootlegging. actually, I think there has to be a way to merge a modem with shortwave radio and bypass all this shit altogether. airwaves can’t be truly regulated. sound carries, period

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  • Guest

    LMAO WTF is mastercard , nike and newscorp doing there , it’s definitely a part of internet censorship conspiracy

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  • Del Griffiths

    I’m sure someone has pointed this out but this whole issue isn’t about ‘information’ it is about money.
    The studios are working to a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay outdated model of selling their product and because of this they are missing out on a vast market.
    They are too scared to loose control of their ‘product’ and because of that it’s a self fulfilling prophesy. It’s catch 22. They charge too much for a product so ‘we’ share it for free, so they make less revinue, so they charge more for that product.
    They are locked into this cycle and will not ‘loose face’ by adopting a new model so they lean on the government to interject and try and herd cats by introducing outdated fixes to an evolving and living enetity (Internet).
    If the studios had no fuss easy access downloads with the same payment metods we use all the time (To donate to non profit sites or pay for goods online) and charged 50 pence or 50 cents for films that had been out 12 months they would make a fortune. I’d rather download legally. charge what you like for the people who want to pay full price for 12 months and then see the hundreds of thousands you make with these tiny charges. Thus the studios stabilise, generate money, save jobs..
    Feel free to challenge my logic here…

  • Chelseafc

    They never go DIRECT.. They like to CURVE and BEND till they get to the END POINT : .. Hey Gaddafi give your ppl democracy .. Yea!! .. Why don’t they give us fucking democracy .. AMERICA IS TWO FACE!!! FREEDOM FOR CORPORATIONS ,SLAVERY FOR CITIZENS..

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  • Anonymous

    America Dun Goofed

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