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UFC Subpoenas Streaming Sites To Track Down Uploader

Following threats in recent months that it would begin targeting those who obtain or deliver their content without permission, the Ultimate Fighting Championship has announced they are targeting two popular streaming hangouts. UFC have subpoenaed Justin.tv and Ustream.tv to force them to reveal the identity of a single user who uploaded two UFC events earlier this year.

ufcSince the start of this year, the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) have been warning that they are prepared for a very tough fight indeed – and one in which they hope to knockout Internet piracy of their PPV events.

After shutting down Rage-Streams.net earlier this year, the UFC implied they would start going after those that consume streams too, an unlikely scenario and one that has failed to bear fruit thus far. But there are still plenty of providers – uploaders – and on them, UFC President Dana White made his position clear.

“We are committed to standing toe-to-toe with anyone trying to illegally broadcast or stream UFC events,” said the UFC mouthpiece earlier this month when noting that the company had reached 500 settlements with infringers in 2 years.

Earlier, UFC general legal counsel Lawrence Epstein warned that the mixed-martial arts outfit might even subpoena sites in order to gain the IP-addresses of people who were illegally uploading UFC events. The company has now made good on its threats.

UFC parent company Zuffa, which claims to be the largest provider of Pay-Per-View content in the world, just announced that it has subpoenaed two hugely popular streaming video sites, Justin.tv and Ustream.tv. With this legal action they hope to force the companies to reveal the identity of a user who uploaded two UFC events earlier this year.

The UFC say that on January 2, 2010, more than 36,000 people watched an illegal streaming video feed of UFC 108 which was being uploaded from a single IP address. On February 21, 2010, the very same IP address uploaded UFC 110 which was viewed by a claimed 78,000 individuals.

“I can’t wait to go after the thieves that are stealing our content,” said White. “This is a fight we will not lose.”

Zuffa say that once Justin.tv and Ustream.tv hand over the identity of the uploader, they will take civil copyright action against them.

MMA fans gave the news a mixed reception, with some noting that being a fan isn’t a right and ‘stealing’ events is simply wrong. Others felt that accepting a level of piracy is a good way to get more exposure.

“The UFC has had 15 pay-per-view event in the past year. Zuffa LLC is making a killing on PPVs and frustrating fans who simply cannot afford them. Hence, the piracy problem,” wrote a contributor to MMA blog, MMAJunkie.

“MMA is approaching a saturation point and won’t be able reach the next plateau of popularity until live UFC shows are easily accessible to the average viewer. You can’t fight the Internet – even if you are in the right. The UFC needs to adapt and evolve in the way it delivers content to the consumer and take a short-term loss for a long-term gain.”

In 2009, the UFC banked $350 million in PPV revenue.

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  • LOLCATS

    “I can’t wait to go after the thieves that are stealing our content,” said White. “This is a fight we will not lose.”

    LOLCAT sez: You already lose with that fail of a statement.

    I think this guy is some kind of internet troll.

  • Gargamel

    I’d pay for them if i could afford them but I can’t. So i download them.

  • ANONYMOUS

    what about those users who want to watch but cannot afford. looks like theres more people who cant afford than those who can. the internet can’t be taken down by just one little company with a bunch of sweating guys rolling around on a mat. hmm.. it’s just me i don’t find that very entertaining.

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  • omfg

    whats ufc ? is this the new wwf ? like in the 90′s ? anyways i say let them .. they will fail anyway ;p

  • Larry

    I’ve never heard of UFC either. Is this that fake fighting crap like wrestling? That’s rubbish anyway.

  • Milo

    Not sure why anyone would want to torrent stuff like that anyways. If they succeed, they’ll probably lose even more interest.

  • UFC Fan

    So, basically, if you can’t afford a car, it’s okay to steal that too? What about a watch or a 6-pack of beer? It’s STEALING and it’s wrong. People are so used to getting whatever they want, that they have lost touch with the reality that you can’t have something just because you want it. You have to be able to afford it.

  • jez

    What about the people who want to watch it, but it’s not broadcast in their country?

    What about those that can not afford to pay the ridiculous fees to watch?

  • rage

    ppl should stop watching and supporting UFC. then thy will learn their lesson.

  • sagerukomori

    “In 2009, the UFC banked $350 million in PPV revenue.”

    How greedy you can go?

  • harry krishna

    “500 settlements with infringers in 2 years” – make a documentary of that and i’ll download.

  • Maelstrom

    A: If you can not afford to pay the fees, the perhaps you should cut back on your internet surfing. :-)

    B: If you can not afford to buy a new car, is it ok for you then to steal it?

    C: People should stop watching & supporting a company THAT IS DEFENDING ITS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY?

    Hilarious. Thanks for the laughs :D

  • Kaptain Kruch

    Cannot Lose? Wanna bet?

  • mack

    ufc is far from fake, its pretty brutal and i really wouldnt wanna mess with the ufc fighters irl

    as for the stealing is wrong argument, is it wrong to steal food if youll die without it? gray areas man gray areas

  • Sketch@1337x.org

    Dana White is a pint sized Don King wannabe……Tito Ortiz needs to beat the shit out of him….

  • Me

    That car analogy is retarded. Maybe if you’d asked about “copying the car”, then it’d be less retarded.

  • steve mcqueen

    yeah and in case some people dont know, ufc used to be pretty goddamn underground. kind of like bootleg cds. people used to trade the tapes. sometimes when you get what you want you forget where you came from.

    so now theyre big and popular and its easy to say oh no were being pirated! but when they were nothing but traded tapes and poor it was alright.

    and seriously theres been how many ppv fights this year alone? its ridiculous. its like movie studios. according to them each download is one lost ticket price or dvd sale. so with ufc every person who saw the streaming of the fight is a person who wouldve otherwised coughed up the ridiculous amount of cash to pay to see it at home. retarded.

  • Cujo

    you can’t fight the internet ,, good point there

    the proof:

    http://wardiary.wikileaks.org/ lol

  • E m u l e

    I have never heard of ufc until some people were talking about it on a live streaming site an then showing backyard wrestling videos of themselves because they want to be in ufc. Oh and guess what? Those people were 16 years old so if you want to sue kids and mess up their life, you are one sick bastard!! Oh yeah and they were from the trailer park (really) so good luck getting any money out of them anyway!

  • Anonymous

    “This is a fight we will not lose”: this guy is going to discover that if uploaders use Tor, he can’t do anything. Nada. Zip. Zero. He’s got a lot to learn.

    Just like comment7 btw. Copying is not stealing. It’s quite different, inform yourself on non rival goods and watch http://openvideo.dailymotion.com/video/xcypdf_copying-is-not-theft_tech

  • Jay

    It’s strange that he is so dedicated to block fans from seeing the PPVs. Isn’t it clear as day that people who watch the low-res streams wouldn’t buy the expensive PPV anyway.

    So, by killing off ways to see your product is the same as killing off free advertising for your product.

    Plus, the odds are that Streisand effect will cause even more streaming sites to pick up your PPVs. Should’ve kept it hush-hush and you would minimize your “losses”. Ridiculous.

  • Anti Troll

    @ UFC Fan

    COPYING =/= STEALING

    Stealing a car is stealing because it’s taking a physical item a company made and taking it away from them without paying. However if you somehow had the technology to copy that car drive off in the copy but keep the original that is NOT stealing.

  • yep

    I pray the uploader was behind a proxy..

  • yoyoz

    @14
    UFC is actually not as bad as it looks. UFC Fighters have claimed that it is much safer than boxing or other combat sports because you don’t take repeated blows to the head. There is blood but that heals and won’t cause brain damage. UFC isn’t as bad as it looks. But they are as dumb as they look.

  • TerribleTony

    The UFC have a foolproof system to detect uploaders with 100% accuracy!

    Oh, apart from people uplading via proxies and free wifi hotspots.

  • Larry

    They still go on about this steeling bullshit. It’s not steeling. How stupid are these people. If they still have the damn show, how can it be stolen.

  • astroboi

    Isn’t there some difference in watching a live event and watching a recording of it at a later time? Sounds like the streaming consisted of watching the fights after they were over, like watching a soccer match the next day after everybody knew who the winner was. So how much money did the UFC lose on these streams? Did they offer a replay themselves? Since I don’t follow this type of entertainment I don’t know the answer. Anybody?

  • omg

    350m in a year … the rich never have enough don’t they …… stupid society

  • Razoumikhin

    The UFC sure looks like p@rn with people bleeding and sweating over each other. This “guy” Dana who loves watching “men” do the aformentioned should look to the p@rn industry for clues on how to run an online business. Instead he has adopted the failed model of the music industry. Next thing he will be appearing with Leiberman and McCain promoting “cyber security” – security for the nwo…

  • Ano

    Here’s an idea to reduce the “piracy problem” on stuff no one even watches:

    1- Make the content available WORLDWIDE, I’m sure some countries don’t even have access to some of those (whatever that UFC is)
    2- Make the content affordable

    How many people do you think will even watch your stuff if it doesn’t meet those easy two points? People will go where it’s easy / affordable and worldwide, that is pirate streams / download.

  • luffy

    Never heard of ufc but also im not interested in fights, im living in europe, but still they took the wrong way to deal with piracy, they should exploit this in their favor being happy of free promoting and use a good price and worldwide availability to increase profit;not try to flow against the current cuz ppl will always use piracy no matter what they do.But if they wana sue few kids who watched online, their problem.Just i think they make a big mistake.

  • Jason Bourne

    LOL, sure hope they were smart enough to mask their real IP address!

    real-anonymity.at.tc

  • Anonymous

    If they are smart uploaders, they probably used an off-sore VPN or Proxy, so even revealing their IP may not do much.

  • Tomas

    “…the very same IP address uploaded UFC 110 which was viewed by a claimed 78,000 individuals.”

    What Zuffa reads: 78,000 thieves are stealing our content.

    What the reality is: 78,000 customers have resorted to piracy due to Zuffa’s incompetece.

  • xplosive material

    Here’s a clip about the UFC which also touches on piracy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgl2nrVPd8c

  • Concat

    YOU WOULDN’T STEAL A BABY…

  • yep

    @35

    That video was awful and im glad it took me 2 seconds to skip through it and figure out its BS.

  • Anonymous

    @36

    But i would make a clone of said baby, then proceed to eat its limbs one by one =)

  • Anonymous

    “So, basically, if you can’t afford a car, it’s okay to steal that too? What about a watch or a 6-pack of beer? It’s STEALING and it’s wrong.”

    Here we go again, this non-sense comparison.

  • ha

    If you can’t afford a car or six pack of beer and someone decides to share with you, you accept the offer. That is not stealing. same thing here

  • Anonymous

    “B: If you can not afford to buy a new car, is it ok for you then to steal it?”

    I am going to download you car and your house unless I decide to torch both first. This is the way any executive from a corporation of parasite should be treated.

    I hope that all these newly recruited trolls are not paid with tax payers money because that would make me really, really, really MAD!

  • old timer

    i wonder if dana wonders how many of those ‘thieves’ also paid for the ppv the night before. that has happened many many MANY times at my house.

    i have been an ‘uploader’ of their events numerous times. i have probably supplied over ten thousand people with the opportunity to see it. i hope zuffa sends me a letter. i will tell dana that he has forgotten where he came from and that he is harassing his true fans.

    UFC is not big enough yet to last without its fans. slow your roll dana.

  • Anonymous

    “ufc is far from fake, its pretty brutal and i really wouldnt wanna mess with the ufc fighters irl”

    Ya, all this stuff are pretty fake.

  • pig

    what if the uploader is no u.s. ? can they still prosecute in another country? this is a civil rather than criminal case, isn’t it?

    if they value each ppv fight in HD at 20 bucks, what is the value of a lo-fi streamed version?

  • Nate

    Everyone who says that copying doesn’t hurt the value should be copying money right now. I bet none of you pussies have the balls to do that.

    I mean…if you copy a hundred dollar bill the original is still there right? So put your money where your mouth is and start copying money pussies.

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  • mmmunf

    @2 agreed. Pay-Per-View events used to be $30 on Direct-TV a few years back, now they’re $50. Not like they give us many options when it comes to wanting to see a sports event.

  • blabbities

    Damn and now we all know Ustream and Justin.Tv are both punks and will readily give up the info.

  • stupidpeoplemakemelaugh

    @45 Stupid is, stupid does huh? Money is already being copied on a daily basis by millions of people. Thus counterfit money.

    You are truly as dumb as they come.

    As for comment #7. Sure if i stole the UFC ring out of the arena and ran away with the fighters in my back pocket. Thats theft.

    If i broke the car window and hotwired it and drove off with the original car for sale thats theft.

    If i take my camera, take a picture and copy the car, that’s not theft moron. Theft and copyright are two different things. Copyright is a way of saying “MINE MINE MINE, smack don’t touch it’s mine” theft is well theft

  • Kirkpad

    @29 Well then maybe Zuffa should partner with Lucas Entertainment. After all, they both have sweaty guys rubbing against each other in their movies.

  • OhNo

    IANAL, but it seems like it would be perfectly legal to borrow my friend’s $100 bill and make a copies of it for my personal use (frame it, count it, fold it). If I were to use it or try to pass it off for the real thing, then that would be illegal, but just having a photocopy wouldn’t (shouldn’t) be.

    I agree with others here about the car analogy. It should be:
    If the technology existed to create duplicates of cars with no manufacturing costs, and the retail price of cars stayed at $20-30k, would you make a copy of your friend’s car for your personal use?

  • Kaptin Kanx

    @45 45 Jul 26, 2010 at 18:49 by Nate

    Everyone who says that copying doesn’t hurt the value should be copying money right now. I bet none of you pussies have the balls to do that.

    I mean…if you copy a hundred dollar bill the original is still there right? So put your money where your mouth is and start copying money pussies.

    I see copies of money all over the internet in pictures & I have 2 copies of money 1) as an avitar on twitter & 2 as my banner so eat your face. I haven’t heard of any complaints yet either.

  • Anonymous

    Container costs are irrelevant. The costs of IP have never been the containers. A novel costs $1-2 to print. Same as a DVD or CD. So you’re telling me if you steal a physical novel or DVD, you’re only stealing $1-2 worth of merchandise?

    Obviously not. Access to the IP is what you are paying for. Access to the IP is what you are stealing (taking without paying for).

    Semantics, semantics.

  • Anonymous

    Container costs are irrelevant. The costs of IP have never been the containers. A novel costs $1-2 to print. Same as a DVD or CD. So you’re telling me if you steal a physical novel or DVD, you’re only stealing $1-2 worth of merchandise?

    Obviously not. Access to the IP is what you are paying for. Access to the IP is what you are stealing (taking without paying for).

    Semantics, semantics.

  • Trelew

    The problem is that the UFC has pretty much forgotten its roots. Most of their early fan support came from VHS sharing. I’m thinking Hollyweird got into UFC’s face and told them to get into the game.

  • scottdixon

    “In 2009, the UFC banked $350 million in PPV revenue.”

    shame on them for trying to make more money from their product. they are a business enigmax

  • Dave

    Lol why would I spend 70 bucks on a show to watch for couple hours.

    I’d rather buy the game for 70 bucks and have that last me a few years.

  • tosser

    Fans download.

    Fans buy.

    Their the same people.

    The quicker content creators figure this out, the better off everyone will be.

  • Anonymous

    70 bucks? dam..

    thats like a years supply of ramon noodles.. ^^

  • tosser

    Fans download.

    Fans buy.

    They’re the same people.

    The quicker content creators figure this out, the better off everyone will be.

  • tosser

    Oh cock…

  • ufc its gay

    ufc is so gay its fake fair ground crap

  • CookiePuss

    The original caged fighting was great. It had competitors from around the globe truly sporting their technique.

    Now its all commercialized and went the way of “professional wrestling” with fake grudges, pesky rules, and $50 PPV events. You can buy alot of gay porn for $50 and get your fill on man on man action.

  • the solution

    I’m not a big ufc fan, but if I want to watch a fight I go to a bar with friends, most ppl can afford a night out. A lot of places have drink and food specials for the fight.

  • UFC = Ultimate Fail Cartel

    And PPV = the ultimate ripoff.

    $350 million in revenue and they have the nerve to complain?!

    Looks like greed leads to lunacy…

  • Gwiz

    @64

    “Looks like greed leads to lunacy…”

    I sure all the steroids don’t help either.

  • red

    I downloaded a UFC event… and now I fear that Chuck Lindell come to my house and kick my Canadian balls

  • Bryan

    Your argument is based on the concept of potential profits. Someone let me know when this concept stops being a logical fallacy so I can start caring.

  • Anonymous

    oeh noe :’( hes sending evan seinfield to beat us up and i quote “Listen to all these little untalented, worhtless, thieving little pussys mouth off! Come within 2 feet of the stage where I am performing and you’ll be spitting teeth, thats a promise mother fuckers! Sounds like everyone here is super Jealous that I live a life they can only dream of..becuase 99.9 % of the people commenting here are Losers with a capital L! Being a rockstar and porno star does have its ups and downs, but, when you’re creative output is being plundered whats the oint? P2P is not my idea of free advertising, not when its a whole catalog! its stealing. deal with it.
    I just want to say one thing to everyone here.
    pathetic little losers that you all are.
    Kiss my ass! <8 <8 <8"

  • mremixer

    Never watched UFC, Heard of it lately though (thinking above is promo stunt to exploit & promote!)

    May have troll about & watch one now just to get up Zuffa & dana’s back a bit more.

    As for “I can’t wait to go after the thieves that are stealing our content,” said White. “This is a fight we will not lose.”

    BRING IT ON! Hollywood, The pr0n Industry & Music Industry have tried & tried & tried & FAILED!

    There not even aware that people are already moving away from torrenting to “something new”, so serious sharers remain safe & anonymous for still another say 10 years before they realise!

    Lol waste of resources!

  • lmfao

    rofl

  • Anonymous

    @69, I don’t know why pirates think they are so smart. What ‘new thing’? Cyberlockers are subject to DMCA/copyright compliance. VPN’s can be subpoenaed for IP logs just like an ISP (and shut down if they don’t keep any). And long path proxy networks like Freenet and I2P are currently worthless and will likely be shut down completely in the future due to child porn.

    Enjoy your “next new thing”.

  • Gwiz

    @ 68 Jul 27, 2010 at 12:21 by Anonymous

    LMAO at you!

    Also, I can’t tell – is English your first language?

  • Anonymous

    @68

    “I just want to say one thing to everyone here.
    pathetic little losers that you all are.
    Kiss my ass! <8 <8 <8"

    I have just one message to you and your industry of parasites:

    …………………./´¯/)
    ………………..,/¯../
    ………………./…./
    …………./´¯/’…’/´¯¯`·¸
    ………./’/…/…./……./¨¯\
    ……..(’(…´…´…. ¯~/’…’)
    ………\……………..’…../
    ……….”…\………. _.·´
    …………\…………..(
    …………..\………….\…

  • Anonymous

    When these entertainment corporate parasites get old they become crazy.

  • Anonymous

    “ufc is far from fake, its pretty brutal and i really wouldnt wanna mess with the ufc fighters irl”

    This UFC fighter? You just shoot them.

    Not a big deal.

    It is like those bragging about running fast. They run fast alright but if I bring my dog. . .

  • TerribleTony

    @68 You better get used to it, your time is almost up. You really thought that you could make a future from televised sales of your fights?

    You are living in the past, times change.

  • Anon

    It’s not stealing. I wouldn’t pay for it in the first place because, as 68 so eloquently pointed out, these fscking morons don’t deserve our money anyway.

  • Anonymous

    1)Start VPN.

    2)Replace logs of all your customers with RIAA, MPAA, USCG, etc. IP addresses.

    3) ????????

    4) Profit.

  • N/A

    1. What is UFC?

    2. Ignorance is bliss

    3. Wtf is UFC again?

    4. ????

    5. Profit

  • Gwiz

    71 Jul 27, 2010 at 17:00 by Anonymous said:

    “VPN’s can be subpoenaed for IP logs just like an ISP (and shut down if they don’t keep any).”

    How can they be shutdown if they are not required to log ISP’s in the first place?? And by who’s authority? Most of these are not in the USA.

  • who you kidding

    ufc is crap

  • Anonymous

    How can you not afford to watch a UFC pay per view. You could watch it on the cheap by going to a bar and ordering 1 beer. Holy shit, cheap, lazy bastards.

    What I’m wondering is what their real stance is on torrents of recordings of the pay per view. What if they just don’t want streams but will “allow” piracy of recordings.

  • Mr. Common Sense

    @7 Shut up you ignorant fool.

    UFC fights are like $40 a pop or some absurd amount. If it was more affordable then more people would purchase without having to go in with multiple friends..

    Half the time bars are the ones that broadcast them, charge everyone a $5 cover charge, and make bank. You ever hear lawsuits about that?

    Furthermore, I’d like everyone to read the following quote:

    “In 2009, the UFC banked $350 million in PPV revenue.”

    This doesn’t include merchandise, drink/food sales (at fights), as well as TICKET SALES.

    These greedy bastards have so much money, that fact itself doesn’t make me want to EVER buy a fight.

  • Mr. Common Sense

    I’d also like to point out that the owners of UFC are relatives of the Maceo-Fertitta crime family. Which was just another branch of the New Orleans mob that was so powerful back in the day.

    Pic related: Galveston, Texas branch of the New Orleans mob. You may read a familiar last name or two…

    http://www.shareapic.net/content.php?id=13112293&owner=Boxer47

  • Anonymous

    #68′s comment was quoting a statement made by “evan seinfield” in the biohazard basist blasts torrent article. he does not agree with the industry he is just mocking evan seinfield and the corrupt industry. please read before you start attacking him as being a shill which he is not.

    thanks management

  • Gwiz

    @85 Jul 28, 2010 at 02:09 by Anonymous

    Well OK – I stand corrected (sort of).

    I guess I missed the reference to an off topic, 2 year old post that (as far as I can tell) wasn’t even quoted accurately.

    It look like a looney rant to me.

    PS: Anonymous |= management :p

  • Anonymous

    @80, why do you think VPNs will be allowed to provide total anonymity in the future? Even iPredator keeps logs and admits it will turn them over to the Swedish authorities under criminal circumstances. ISPs are being mandated to provide IP identities for infringement claims. I don’t see why proxies and VPNs won’t be next. They’re just not on anyone’s radar yet since most pirates don’t even use them.

  • Gwiz

    @87 Jul 28, 2010 at 12:57 by Anonymous

    Admittedly, I not sure if they will be forced to in the future or not.

    I was just saying that as of right now there are VPN’s out there that do not keep logs and are not required to.

    Also, if said VPN is located in a country that isn’t under the USA pressure umbrella – who is going to force them to keep logs?

    In my opinion, any VPN that does keep logs is useless anyways. How is that going to be marketed anyways – “You get complete anonymity (Sort of)”?

  • Bloodyscot

    The may find that the uploader is an illegal alien from S. America using a stole wifi connection from the little old lady down the street.
    Or maybe a guy that has been dead for 2yrs because ISP is automatically paid while his will in probate and one of he neighbors is using his wifi connection.

  • Anonymous

    5 bucks says it’s the UFA doing the uploading themselves. :)

  • lol

    dana white is clueless. would love to see how they plan to stop the streams from china – oh wait, they can’t.

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