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UK Anti-Piracy Lawyers Threaten File-Sharing Forum

ACS:Law have been making news headlines damaging to their reputation ever since they started sending out thousands of threatening letters to alleged file-sharers in the UK. Now they are threatening to sue Slyck.com, one of the Internet’s oldest file-sharing forums, because they don’t like what members have written about them.

Slyck.com is one of the longest-established file-sharing discussion forums on the Internet. For the best part of a decade the site has been home to every part of the file-sharing community, from Napster users through to just about every other file-swapping mechanism on the planet.

While here at TorrentFreak we have published many news articles on the antics of anti-piracy lawyers Davenport Lyons and latterly ACS:Law, what many people won’t realize is that it’s over on Slyck where the real meat of the ‘backroom’ discussions about this business have been taking place.

In Slyck’s ‘UK Filesharing Allegations/Lawsuit Discussion’ section are multiple thousands of posts from those affected by these ‘pay up or else’ schemes. It is from these forums that people have worked together to support each other and work out ways of fighting back against intimidation. Many forum posters, with the help received on Slyck and these threads, have refused to pay up and have still not done so. The value of these threads to letter recipients cannot be understated.

Herein lies the problem. This forum has dramatically undermined the business model of both Davenport Lyons and ACS:Law because, quite simply, it enables people to stand strong and cut off the revenue source to these lawyers’ clients.

And now ACS:Law have moved to do something about it through the legal system, claiming that some forum posts by Slyck members are harming their business, citing grounds of defamation.

According to site editor Thomas Mennecke, Slyck were told to remove three discussion threads containing more than 10,300 posts in their entirety by 4:00pm March 12, 2010.

Mennecke says that ACS:Law cites just 11 posts as evidence of defamation. One calls an employee of ACS:Law, Terence Tsang, a “wanker” and another describes the ‘pay up or else’ scheme as “a wank plan” while saying that ACS:Law are “not the best at getting things right.”

It is very interesting that ACS:Law have chosen these comments.

When ACS:Law first burst onto this scene, TorrentFreak contacted owner Andrew Crossley and asked him if there is a connection between his company and Davenport Lyons, since we suspected he’d taken up the work previously done by the London-based firm.

He told us that connections were “NONE” – but sadly this wasn’t true.

We’ve long suspected it, but it was recently confirmed in an interview conducted by the BBC with Andrew Crossley that, “Many of the cases already under way were passed on to ACS: Law by another law firm, Davenport Lyons, which originally began the claims.”

In respect of the forum post about Terence Tsang, although we don’t know what he does in the privacy of his own home, what we do know is that while he is currently working for ACS:Law, he previously worked for Davenport Lyons.

Furthermore, staff from ACS:Law and Davenport Lyons have all been seen together in court together, working on these cases. So as the connections between the companies mount up, it seems that ACS:Law really aren’t the best at “getting things right” after all.

Needless to say, Slyck aren’t going to be bullied by ACS:Law and have refused to take down the posts.

You can read the whole sorry episode in Thomas Mennecke’s article “Wank Plan Goes Wrong: ACS:Law Threatens Slyck.com With a Lawsuit” over on Slyck.

TorrentFreak has also been informed that a torrent of all the discussions is being prepared and will soon be seeded on every major BitTorrent tracker. If ACS:Law haven’t yet heard of the Streisand Effect, maybe they should look it up.

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  • Re aso ned Mi nds

    ACS:Law are SCUM

    Andrew Crossley is a dick.

  • Anonymous

    Smart move there ACS: Law.

  • GeoDuck

    Watch out, you might get sued for defamation.

  • Anonymous

    Looks like fun. I’ll seed the discussions ’til the day I die.

    Other forums should take something like this up too.

  • Anonymous

    SOUNDS WANKY IMO

  • Anon ACS Scum

    ACS Law are scammers and criminals.

  • FillerB

    What a bunch of wankers

  • gruff

    “although we don’t know what he does in the privacy of his own home,”

    lmao……….

  • Hickster

    I have to say I should NOT have said “W^%%^%%” I meant to use the word “Shyster”

  • duane

    Nastiest kind of filth to crawl the earth. Self-serving, thieving, loathsome miscreants without the slightest hint of scruples or morals, who abuse the UK’s legal system in the worst way imaginable.

    Not only are they good at extorting people, they are also experts at using the UK’s outdated libel laws to kill off free speech. Absolutely disgusting.

    The longer they are left to run their racket unchecked, the more of a disgrace and a public threat they become. Not only should they be stopped, they need to be sent to prison.

  • Sketch@1337x.net

    what do you call 10000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean??

    answer: A Great Start.

  • Freeleech

    Defamation? These anti-piracy sharks probably eat children for breakfast – what kind of defamation are they talking about?

  • AJ

    Wonder if the UK has any laws regarding vexatious litigants…I know in Australia these folks would have been stripped of thier rights to persue lawsuits.

  • kabuki0009

    What damages ACS Law image more than anything is that they are no good.

  • John Down

    Defamation? How can something this obvious can be even considered defamation. Is like calling “criminal” a criminal.

    @8 LOL

  • InMyOpinion

    The name I chose has a great relevance in British law,i.e that no law can claim slander,libel or defamation should these three simple words preceed a statement.
    In my opinion.ACS:Law are a greedy,self-serving parasitic bunch of lowlifes.
    Here’s an excerpt from their websiteWe are pleased with the results on the initial batches of issued claims, as we have found that 80% of all defendants opt for settlements outside of court, for amounts more than originally claimed.

    Copyright infringers generally buckle when litigation is formally initiated.
    It has always been our intention to set a favourable precedent and whilst it is disappointing that these settlements mean that a fully contested case has yet to reached the courts, our client’s have been successful in recovering monies lost to piracy. Based on these successes, we have been instructed to increase the number of claims we issue at court by at least 300% over the coming months. We are confident that we will be able to set a number favourable precedents to build on the existing case law in 2010.(sic)

  • Lime

    This really is becoming laughable, ACS and wankers like them need to be shown that they can’t pull this kind of bullshit

  • STUPID lol

    Seems like ACS:Law doesn’t know their own profession. They damaged their reputation way more with these demands than could have ever been done by some posts in Slyck’s forum.

  • Big Al

    ACS:Law are wankers. Anyone who pays them is also a wanker.

  • DeltaPan

    Great article enigmax matey!

    “They don’t like it up ‘em Cap’n Mainwaring sir, they don’t like it up ‘em!”.

    Fiiiiix bayonets!

    ROFLMAO.

    Peace. :)

  • nightflier

    ACS law and there partners are scum of the earth with nothing better to do than intimidate and extort money from people and sadly the law in this country(uk) allows them to get away with it.

  • Trelew

    ACS:Law and other *wankers* like them should realize that most democratic countries have this thing called “freedom of speech”, where as they can freely express their opinions and ideas without fear of retribution.

    I guess these corporate screwjobs want to change that around so that only those in power have that freedom. Nothing but a bunch of hypocritical bitches. How typical of them.

  • Anonymous

    damn wankers.

  • trini-tk

    ACS law you are just sad. With all the real cyber crime and kiddie porn out there you go after us instead? Why don’t you use your resources to do something that will make a positive difference to humanity instead of trampling on the basic human right to share.
    P.S. suck my balls

  • Anonymous

    well no point say anything here then :(.

    doesn’t this amount to a violation of freedom of speech.

    i feel violated by this.

    :(

  • Defame this.

    Andrew J. Crossley likes to touch small boys. Don’t like my opinion? Sue me.

  • anon

    “ll been seen together in court together”

    together….together…..together…

  • Streather

    Thanks to ACS:Law i have now discovered slyck.com where i shall look forward to many an interesting discussion :)

  • p_c

    Interesting action, can he argue that he has *never* masturbated?
    Going to be interesting if they start arguing in court over the truth of that comment…

  • acslaw ares cum

    I doubt Terence Tsang is a wanker, you need to have a cock for that!

  • anon2

    what about the people that acslaw defame with false accusations of committing piracy? what about those that acslaw have bullied and blackmailed into paying exhorbitant ‘fines’, even when innocent, because of the threats of having to pay larger amounts by fighting in court? seems to me the real thing acslaw dont want is for people to find information and help from others on how to fight their accusations. perhaps this law suit will finally bring things to a head? been published here on numerous occasions on how the Lords and many MPs feel about this type of behaviour. maybe time for them to ‘put up or shut up’!

  • Anonymous

    lol at trying to censor a forum discussion. Damn Wankers

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  • Yarick

    Well you have to remember this bunch of wankers operate in a legal gray area. If what they were doing was not done by a “legitimate business” then it would be labeled as a racket and extortion. They are, once again, abusing the law for their own purposes.

    If your business revolves around people not asking questions and refusing to cave to extortion then you need to get into a new business. I guess this bunch of wankers are not seeing as fat of a cash cow as they thought.

  • wank on

    WANK ON ACS:LAW!!!

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  • big wankers

    acs law BUNCH OF WANKERS

  • srekaw

    I think they should stop trying to wanking off people to the courts and find something more productive to do.

  • Reggit

    ACS:LAW = cancerous polyps on the anus of humanity ;)

  • GrX

    someone should now email them stupid WANKERS this blog post just to put more wood on the fire :)

  • townie2

    can’t Slyck just post a notice on their forum, something like “the opinions expressed here are the free speech opinions of individuals, and not necessarily those of the owners/staff of Slyck”? newspapers, magazines, tv shows etc. do it all the time, say what they want, and never get sued.

  • Dennis2m99

    ACS law is rubbish fighting for copyright people that’s already losing the battle.

    Firms that listen to it’s public (consumer) is Sony. If sony offered to it’s customers/consumers a £30gbp (Great British Pound)subscription fee per month for unlimited downloads and cut out the middle man it would end up reaping in the profits direct, and would end up being a trillionaire company instead of a multi billionaire company.

    Copyright people won’t like the sound of that (Tough to them). Torrents would end up dying out in the long run has music,film,games and software etc would come cheaper direct from the main man/company etc instead of the middle man.

    Sony has started renting films and letting customers buy films on their ps3 website after listening to their customers.

    ACS will lose the battle for copyright people and that’s a fact.

  • Occasional Torrenter

    Hahahaha. Shot themselves right in the foot. Never seen those forums before, but they look incredibly helpful if this complete and utter wanker is coming after you.

    Congratulations on encountering the Streisand Effect.

  • FM

    ACS:Law are a bunch of wanky cunts.

    Sue me faggots.

  • Goug

    ACS:Law = Wankers

  • neostyles

    If there is one common thing among the file sharing community it is that people love defying the law. People seem to think that internet anarchy will solicity sympathy from law makers. In reality, if people refuse to pay their fines, they will only only dig themselves a deeper hole.

  • Yo

    What do they hope to accomplish by making such moves?
    These people are not very smart!

  • Kali

    Anyone copied the forum and made a torrent yet?

  • nightflier

    Well after reading the notes on slyck.com this Andrew J. Crossley and his firm acs law are just total assoles they need to get a life and stop using the internet if they dont like what they see after all its only the truth.

  • in.cog.nito

    lol @ that wanker

  • Anonymous

    ACS-Law/Davenport Lyons: The governement is NOT DOING IT’S JOB in defending the people against this type of parasites.

    Fine. We are going to do the job for them but it’s not going to be pretty.

  • Ninja

    Heh, as far as I know a forum is a place you share your opinions and ideas. So if you built a bad image for yourself you should expect people to say bad things about you.

    Still, what is worrisome here is the attempt against free speech. Will this be one of the tools the media industry will use to try to silence the voices against them and their nonsensical crusade against file sharing?

    Read the article at Slyck news and I’m glad they can’t push that forward. At least the lobby cannot go against free speech in the US.

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  • Mystik

    In short abbreviated form it’s ACS:LAW, or in long form it’s …

    Anal Crack Screwers:Little Ass Wankers

  • Anon6

    what a bunch of wankers, eh!

    ACS – asshats, cocksuckers, shitheads

    but seriously folks, in order to be a wanker, don’t you need certain useful equipment? And we all know these asshats are useless!

    in legal terms, isn’t that a MOOT point or something?

  • Unknown

    ACS= All Cunts Society.

    I think they need to get their heads out of their Ass’s and look at reality if they put their heads together and come up with a plan with the film and music industry and ban all iilegal downloading sites and give us the same were we subscribe to a legal downloading site with unlimited downloads and get the quility in films that we want also choose single songs instead of albums with a bag of crap on them when we may only like a couple of songs from that album etc etc…

    Go the right way around it rather than the wrong way like fine’in people without the proof (Not guilty till proven gilty i say)

  • Rboy

    Those wankity wanking mother wanking wakers.. Hey ACS why don’t you just wank off!! I think that says it all. I dare you (ACS) to force torrentfreak to censor this comment.

  • An observer

    I think that forums like Slyck should be a bit more wary in the way they moderate their forums. Users’ comments that defame can cause damage (not that I am in favour of these lawyers), but if you are requested to take down a comment and do not comply, ultimately you “could” be considered to be a co-respondent in a lawsuit. For this very reason, newspapers are very circumspect in what they publish – and they get it wrong too. Slyck I do not believe have the resources to fight a lengthy court battle – even if the EFF got involved. It is just an observation.

    But of course, it does have everything to do with the information that you can gather from those postings….

  • A 2nd Observer

    Whilst you might be right that comments could cause damage, they are automatically published. Whats more important is that the documents on slyck demand removal of the entire thread, not just one or two defamatory posts! How can this be proportionate?

  • Jigsy

    “TorrentFreak has also been informed that a torrent of all the discussions is being prepared and will soon be seeded on every major BitTorrent tracker.”

    I can just see these greedy bastards trying to sue everyone who downloads/seeds it.

  • Vlad

    Actually, there is a real danger that ACS could win in court a defamation/libel trial.

    The UK laws regarding libel are the worst in the world, severely affecting free speech.

    9 out of 10 of such trials are won by those claiming their reputation has been afected, and then those accused have to pay the huge trial costs (think more than one million UK pounds).

    Many UK journalists are afraid to criticize people or businesses, especially large corporations, out of fear of being sued, because after losing such a trial they will be in debt until the end of their lives.

    You can vote here http://www.libelreform.org/sign to have the law changed, allowing more free speech.

    You can even vote if you are outside UK, since the rich and powerful the world over started practicing libel turism, bringing any defamation trials to London, where they are almost certain to win.

  • Mr. Brooks

    Andrew Crossley, come and get me you wanking cunt!

  • Jonny Depp_

    @ 55) 55 Mar 22, 2010 at 22:30 by An observer

    the point is standing up for freedom of speech. If no one did this, the internet would look like this .

    Disinformation Tactics Methods Used 2 Keep U Quiet

    http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102756

    and you would probably be paying a fee for every website you visit,etc along with 1984 (watch the movie or audiobook) state where your every move is watched. Privacy has to be upheld.

  • Jeff

    I think this comment by Slyck.com user “In Hiding” sums it up best:

    Said by In Hiding:

    “ACS:Law wank law firm wank Andrew J. Crossley wank Principal Solicitor wank Terence Tsang wank Five Point Plan wank Copyright Enforcement wank Defamatory statements wank ACS:Wank wank Andrew J. Wankley wank Principal Wanker wank Wank Firm wank Five Point Wank wank Terence Twank wank WANK:Law wank Wankyew J. Wankley wank Five Wank Plan wank Intellectual Wankright Enforcement wank Dewankatory statements wank Legal wankuments wank wank wank wank wank wank WANK! ”

    This of course assumes that Crossley and Tsang have something to wank with. Which it is obvious that they do not.

  • Leakster

    @55 , you are SO clearly either Crossley himself or Tsang, why don’t you just wank right off, Wank, Wank, Wank

  • Sendaii

    So, they went after Slyck not because they were linking to or hosting copyrighted materials that ACS:Law is supposed to be defending (read: using to extort innocent people), but because they don’t like what their users are saying about them? LOL! All I will say is that they have picked a fight with the wrong guys, Slyck are not going to bend over that easily.

    ACS:Law, go and do something worthwhile with your time, such as investigating paedophiles and other such people. Oh wait, that would be too difficult for the likes of you, so you go after vulnerable people with no way to defend themselves instead. For this, you will always remain wankers in my eyes.

  • Big Al

    I think everyone is in agreement that ACS:Law are big wanky wankers.

  • Ralonto

    It’s not defamation if that is the truth. Right?

  • Jeff

    I guess Crossley and Co. have never heard of the Streisand Effect.

    But since they seem to have shut up after the EFF fired back at them, maybe there is no need for the “Wank Plan Goes Wrong” story to be spread via torrents. Besides, something like this is better mirrored on as many blogs as possible.

  • Jigsy

    “You say defamation, I say opinion.”

  • dlj

    If said torrent with the discussions is put online I will be seeding it for sure.

  • mike

    well acs law has made many innocent people and there famillys read there bullshit porn cases and caused many familly break downs im sure,but i should imagine that by being labeled wankers all over the net world wide there famillys wont be very happy,imagine what there kids mates say to them at school,what are they wanking about anyway,could it be the gay porn files there persuing for there clients,im a bit confused as to what they are wanking about and why there getting so much fame for it pmsl

  • HAA HAAA !!

    Post the forum thread on Wiki Leaks ..

    job done.

  • dave

    well if its true that they are wanking away there could it be there taking there work home with them,they better keep it away from the kids if they are,god what a disgusting thought if its true,hope its not true though i got alot of respect for the law

  • Laughing at ACS Law

    It is certainly my own understanding that Andrew Crossley is a regular wanker – and let him just try to prove otherwise.

    …See, Andrew, you *can’t* prove a negative (you wanker)

  • unclet

    Being called a w”%&*r is the least he can be called, and as for affecting his firms reputation, words like “Racist and Pervert” can be used to describe ‘TT’ see his posts on his forum, ‘dragonlink’ 05/04/03 and 06/04/03, he admits to watching an illegal film called aniamal farm, promotes under age sex re ‘wicket and cricket’,he makes racist statements concerning ‘jews’ admits to illicit drug use whilst a 2nd year law student,etc etc etc. So crossley look no further than the end of your arm for the real cause of your firms “disrepute” and “defamation”

  • Anon

    Either way they are diverting attention away from the DEB that is going through Parliament right now.
    With every post slagging off ACS, etc, that is one less effort going into fighting everything they stand for.

    Stroke of genius if you ask me…

  • SoSueMe

    Terence Tsang is more than a wanker.
    Terence Tsang is a paedophile.
    Terence Tsang uses animal feces as lubricant when masturbating.
    Terence Tsang is a rapist.
    Terence Tsang performs analingus on donkeys.
    Terence Tsang shoves vegetables up his rectum while watching gay porn.

    He’s just a disgusting pervert, calling him a wanker is tame in relation to his many, sick, warped perversions.

  • SoSueMe

    …and don’t get me started on Andrew Crossley from ACS:Law…

    When he’s not busy wanking off record label execs, he strips naked, crouches on the floor, looks upwards, opens his mouth and invites the rain of semen that comes along with the Bukake sessions he enjoys partaking in on a daily basis.

  • pete

    i wont be using acs law as a defence for anything,crikey gary glitter might defend me,terrible state of affairs,no wonder the uk lords are meeting

  • gorehound

    Anal Cock Suckers:Law are asses.

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  • LOLlvcxlvdllbvd

    “In order to be defamatory, a statement has to claim to be a fact instead of an opinion. For example, saying, “Mr. Jones is mean” cannot be defamatory, because it is someone’s opinion. However, if someone says, “Mr. Jones steals candy from children”, then the statement is defamatory if it is not true, because it would be a fact, not an opinion.”

    ^Wikipedia

    IMO calling ACS:Law “a bunch of wankers” is an opinion, is it not?

    Or are they saying that they never masturbate? Are they freaks or something?

  • lol

    *sigh*

    its 2010 and we still have morons that dont understand the internet..

    you would think this would stop after a while..

    ACS:LAW please kill yourselves, your wasting oxygen. k thnx bai

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  • kiwishare

    Terence Tsang IS a POLE SMOKING PAEDOPHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    SUE DUMBASSES!!

  • Sanity_Vocal

    Anyone issued with an anit-piracy lawsuit by them? Why not counter slap them with Fraud, defamation and harrassment charges in court? As proof, emails sent to victims, ISPs of victims, and the posts/letters sent to victims?

  • IANAL

    I would have hoped that the so-called lawyers at this so-called law firm would know that you can’t sue someone for defamation if they call you a bad name. So I can, for example, quite safely say that ACS Law are gigantic wanky cunts.

  • Surys

    ACS:Law… if you don’t like being called wankers… stop being wankers!

    Stop threatening and extorting people over exaggerated claims and distortions from the music industry.

    You cannot prove that anyone you are suing had distributed even one unit of product to another person who is not covered by “fair use” or “fair dealing” exemptions.

    You cannot accurately state the degree of infringement (in most cases it is equivalent to LESS than one unit of one product – ACTUAL losses totalling between £1 and £20 per infringement in most cases).

    Losses can be projected at zero (because many people wouldn’t have bought it anyway!) just as much as they can be projected to meet your wild, inflated figures based on the assumption that every downloader would buy a product if they couldn’t get the junk for free.

    The connection owner isn’t necessarily the infringer. The infringement could be due to authorised or unauthorised use of the defendants internet connection or by many people authorised to use that connection.

    Without a court order, you cannot force compliance to any of your demands and so people are quite within their right to state they know nothing about the infringement, that there are many people who could be the infringer and that they are not willing to provide details of all people using their connection as it’s a breach of privacy if not supported by the aforementioned court order.

    This means your threats are usually difficult to enforce, can be seen as a waste of court’s time for the infitecimal degree of the infringement and will often be a waste of time if consumers are tech-savvy and know your limitations (compared to your over-exaggerated claims of authority… such as is typical with DCAs)

    ACS:Law, you’ll temporarily ruin a few people’s lives, scare others senseless and harass many more, all based on scant evidence…

    You’re not doing it for right vs wrong… nor to protect anyone… you’re doing it for one thing and one thing only… MAFIAA money.

    ACS:Law, there is no doubt…

    you are wankers!

  • derr

    dont forget the other company jumping on the bandwagon on behalf of a porn company since February 2010- tilly bailey irvine- contact person sending out the letters there is Amanda Mitten using a letetr similar to the previous ones and asking for £700

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