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uTorrent Accused of Unfairness, Banned by Trackers

The uTorrent team released the long-awaited version 2.0 of their popular application last month. The overall reception has been very positive, but critics have labeled the new release as unfair, which has resulted in the client being banned from several private BitTorrent trackers.

utorrent bannedOne of the most significant changes in the new uTorrent is uTP, the ‘micro transfer protocol’. UTP is a new and improved implementation of the BitTorrent protocol which is designed to be more network-friendly than its predecessor.

With uTP, uTorrent has become more network aware as it will throttle itself if congestion is detected in the network. The uTorrent teams hopes this improvement will eliminate the need for ISPs to throttle BitTorrent traffic, while its users should see less interference with other local applications.

The effectiveness of uTP is still being debated, but some people in the BitTorrent community have noticed another issue. According to some owners of private BitTorrent trackers, uTorrent is no longer playing fair. Since uTorrent users are the only ones using the new protocol, uTorrent favors its own kind over other clients.

This means that when connecting to other clients, uTorrent users will give preference to other uTorrent users, behavior that some have characterized as unfair. As a result, several private BitTorrent trackers have refused to put the newer uTorrent releases on their whitelists, effectively banning the client and forcing their users to stick with the older versions.

Simon Morris, BitTorrent’s VP of Product Management admits that the tracker owners have a point, but says that it is very hard to innovate without having to face such technical downsides. “This is part of the challenge of innovation… but hopefully a challenge we’ll overcome,” Morris told TorrentFreak.

“We’re well aware of these discussions and have been very receptive to the feedback we have received. uTP is being constantly tuned and like any advanced technology on the internet there are edge cases where there’s room for improvement,” Morris adds.

BitTorrent Inc. has opened up the specifications of the uTP protocol and hosted a conference in their San Fransisco offices a few weeks ago to discuss uTP in detail with developers of some of the most popular Bittorrent clients. According to Morris, other popular client developers have shown interest in implementing uTP into their own applications.

Widespread support for the new protocol would of course be the easiest way to get rid of the unfairness allegations, but uTorrent’s major competitor Vuze has no plans to support uTP in the short term. On the other hand, Vuze doesn’t believe the unfairness will result in a noticeable disadvantage for its users.

“In terms of speed, we do not buy-in to the ‘threat’ cited by some, claiming that uTP can result in slower downloads for non-uTP clients due to uTP clients favoring each other during the torrent cold start phase,” Olivier Chalouhi, CTO told TorrentFreak.

Vuze is keeping a close eye on how uTP evolves and will consider adding it to their own client as the technology matures. For now Vuze will continue to work on their own congestion solutions and speed improvements. They have already added UDP transfer support, but not as the primary protocol.

“Vuze added support for UDP transport a few years ago, as a fallback for when TCP connection attempts fail. To date, Vuze chose not to implement UDP as a first-class protocol, as we consciously wanted to avoid claims of a Vuze-specific protocol bias, which we do not believe serves the BitTorrent community at large,” Chalouhi said.

Whether uTorrent’s choice to push uTP forward results in any significant disadvantages for users of other clients is still open for debate. BitTorrent Inc. is, however, committed to play fair and will make the necessary adjustments where needed.

Thus far, only a few private trackers have decided to ban uTorrent and there are currently no signs that it will spread out to more.

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  • Anonymous

    If uTP is open, then there is no need to ban their clients. uTP can be a fair solution for everyone. If you’re not implementing uTP, then it’s the decission of the developers and should not be the decission of trackers.

    Would trackers also block clients with “newer improvements” in the BitTorrent P2P protocole cause there are other clients out there who did not implement it yet? Behavior of Trackers sounds a little bit conservative to me at this point.

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  • Brandon

    Damn, I am sticking with the older version. Screw that throttle crap…

  • Ad

    Which trackers are banning it, do we know?

  • Anonymous
  • e

    Ad: bitmetv, bitme and nhltorrents. not sure, but blackcats could be as well

  • awetnm

    @ #5 The only ones I’ve heard of banning are ones that are rather hard to get into. It won’t effect you at all if you don’t know.

    The most notable one off the top of my head is BCG. And I’m not sure about that…

  • hmmmm

    stick with the older versions for now…;),works well…why change it?

  • caprio4us

    Bitorrent 6.4 is the best, trust me

  • Anonymous

    This whole article has no relevance to any newbs or people that don’t take their filesharing seriously or professionally.

    People who use public trackers can go on blissfully unaware of the extreme speeds, no malware checking, no malware website ads and way better community, nothing to see here thanks. We don’t want you newbs making more work for the hardworking admins at any private tracker so piss off. kthnxbai.

  • MissedMemories

    lol. Why change it? Because then your isp may come and throttle you forever and ever, and then all your downloads will go slow. That’s why.

    uTP is designed to be ISP friendly WITHOUT affecting the user.. or so they say, that is.

    In any case….

  • crackRock

    Interesting… can’t the developers make an option to disable uTP if the user wants to??

  • Knusper

    interesting article…

  • pWned

    I know a particularly large music tracker that was hard to seed to begin with, now since uTorrent implemented uTP you can watch your peers dying off favoring uTP clients even if you’re on a 100/100 seedbox.

  • Typical

    Don’t mention the fact you can enable/disable utp in the advance prefs.

  • Anonymous

    This whole article has no relevance to any newbs or people that don’t take their filesharing seriously or professionally.

    People who use public trackers can go on blissfully unaware of the extreme speeds, no malware checking, no malware website ads and way better community, nothing to see here thanks. We don’t want you newbs making more work for the hardworking admins at any private tracker so piss off. kthnxbai.c

  • paul

    @10 Private trackers have no malware ads? Oh ok buddy.

  • paul

    @14 QQ some more. I know what you are talking about. You were an Azeurus user no? Awww

    Seedboxes are for morons.

  • logros

    “Don’t mention the fact you can enable/disable utp in the advance prefs.”

    well you and i can but do you think average Joe would know how?

  • Logrosno

    Do you think the average Joe is going to know about uTorrent and where to download a torrent from? No.

    With that being said, lols to still using torrents. I gave that up a year ago. Long live Rapidshare and not having to deal with everyone’s crappy speeds when it comes to sharing.

  • Mike

    @19 Yes. It’s easy.

  • paul

    long live rapidshare? Who is this clown?

    I’m sorry, but I want to see your 1.5 mb/s rapidshare download.

  • rawr

    what and waffles say 2.0 is fine

    therefore it is fine

    and for those who don’t know what what and waffles is

    lolgb2/tpb/noobs

  • zaphod

    uTP can be disabled quite easily in uTorrent. I have it disabled anyway as I found it slows down my torrent transfers. Most people have disabled it because of this reason.

  • Jasper van Weerd

    does the total swarm nog get more body? when the seeding improves (in speed), does not everyone get the same result in less time?

  • Einstein

    Well, I guess it’s time to try out Vuze!

  • Lime

    Waffles.fm – No ban
    IPTorrents – No mention of 2.0 at all
    Bitsoup – No ban

    I hopefully should be unafected then

  • timeless

    @17, paul:

    Um, no. My favorite private tracker, that I get 80% of my content from, doesn’t have any malware ads.

    Come to think of it, it doesn’t have ANY ads, whatsoever. None.

  • Geoff

    What.cd not banned, vuze is.

    someone has to pioneer the newer technologies to get the ISPs on our side

  • Anonymous
  • SirSnuggleBunny

    It may be “easy to turn off UDP in the settings” but the average user just uses the default settings.

    Private trackers aren’t against the use of udp, in fact if many clients used it it would be fine, but until that happens, it can affect the swarm dramatically, in a bad way.

    Ratio can be hard enough to keep decent at many private sites, making it harder even if the member is trying just makes it worse.

    There is no reason for the UT devs not to implement a UDP on off flag, much like the private flag, and let the trackers decide if they wish to allow it. if they did that, most trackers would white list it right away, but they don’t seem to want to do that, so the ball is really in their court.

    Besides, I like to do my own traffic management… I don’t want my ISP OR my BT client doing it for me, I’m all growed up now and can do it myself :P

  • Anonymous

    ” It may be “easy to turn off UDP in the settings” but the average user just uses the default settings.

    Private trackers aren’t against the use of udp, in fact if many clients used it it would be fine, but until that happens, it can affect the swarm dramatically, in a bad way.

    Ratio can be hard enough to keep decent at many private sites, making it harder even if the member is trying just makes it worse.

    There is no reason for the UT devs not to implement a UDP on off flag, much like the private flag, and let the trackers decide if they wish to allow it. if they did that, most trackers would white list it right away, but they don’t seem to want to do that, so the ball is really in their court.

    Besides, I like to do my own traffic management… I don’t want my ISP OR my BT client doing it for me, I’m all growed up now and can do it myself :P”

    Yeah nice speech butt knuckle except we’re talking about uTP, a Bittorrent only protocol.

    Fucking kids these days, they read so fast everythings a blur and so they just guess what three letter words are.

    Idiot.

  • Pirate Dave

    uTorrent v2.0 kept going up and down for me (from 30 down to .5 constantly–it was like watching the tide go in and out every three seconds–and I’m not the only one that’s complained about that) so I killed that sucker and now I’m back to uTorrent v1.8.

    And running steady as she goes…

  • Anonymous

    If you don’t want it just deactivate it.

  • Hop2

    OFFICIAL :
    __________

    everyone jus use utorrent, most do anyways …

  • lol

    I guess shortsightedness and stupidity is everywhere. If some private tracker owners choose not to evolve their sites will die and they’ll be replaced by others more willing. They should take notice of how the recording industry is doing – obsolete and soon to go the way of the dodo. Evolve and live, stand still and die!

  • hmmm

    I think the ones who have not allowed 2.0 have been waiting for 2.0.1 to get out of BETA as it has some decent improvements on the 2.0 series. I do feel that ratio driven sites that allowed UT 2.0 were a bit presumptuous and have become a bit lazy nowadays and are more inclined to go with the flow than investigate anything.
    I also don’t see why there cannot be a UTP flag for sites that do not wish for it to affect their swarms. As Simon Morris said “the private trackers have a point. So why not create a little flag like was done with DHT and presto the topic would become mute.

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  • Huggybaby

    Because nobody came out and said it:
    To disable uTP, go to

    Options/Preferences/BitTorrent/ and uncheck “Enable bandwidth management”

  • someoneyoudontknow

    Bittorrent was created with the sole intention of spreading stuff as fast as possible to anyone who is able to connect.

    Ratios were never intended to play any role in that, but the ratio is used as currency on private trackers due to their peer-starved closed system — that’s why they don’t want anything that upsets people’s ability to maintain a ratio so stupid things like banning clients come into play.

  • stfu

    right average joe move on no hassles

    ok
    now to bussiness who in there right mind would run this client when it caps the hell out of you , top site users will notice the diference staright away ans say no thank you mister and then utorrent will go from one of the leading clinets to a bad taste in everyones mouth subject

    in short they gonna kill this clients rep with us heavey users i use rtorrent it rocks for my needs(yes it can be fickle but hey it does what i need 100% everytime)

  • Anonymous

    only the old spec is available, the new header format hasn’t been made public

  • SteveO

    LOL at people who “think” they are l33t downloaders. Theres a billion more “average joe” users that get their content just fine with most clients. And the “average joes” add up to ALOT more peers and seeders than you l33ts that grab and quit “cuz yo aint gunna catch me” attitudes. You suffer delusions of grandeur.

  • U. R. Crap

    u(nfair)Torrent sucks, period.

  • Danny

    uT should just stay the fuck out of my traffic. Who asked them to manage it anyway?!

  • Anonymous

    Oh, sorry. The header format has been made public.

    There was just a bug, which has been fixed: http://forum.bittorrent.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1038#p1038

  • anon #42

    “set bit 16 in bt.trans_disposition on uT and it will use the header specified in BEP29.” wait, 16 is supposed to be the new header and isn’t default.. so that means uTorrent is widely using some prototype by default that isn’t documented anywhere? well, that’s not so bad as it only excludes 1.8.5 from the mix..

  • Priv8W

    BitmeTV has banned v2.0

  • Fink

    Most of the trackers I am in are considering to ban utorrent 2.0 . Like digitalhive and bakabt.

  • Anonymous

    @21 rofl!! You can’t hit 6.0MB/s (Equvilant to about 60Mbps) on Rapidshare.

    I hit 5 to 6MB/s on BitTorrent all the time :P

  • Jay

    I like how discussion here usually devolves into elitism and noob-calling.

    Vuse has treated me pretty good so far, so I think I’ll stick with them. But uTorrent has the right idea, I hope Vuse incorporates that in the future (as a default setting). No reason torrent programs can’t act ethically smartly instead of with blunt force.

  • a voice in the wilderness

    [quote=Ernesto] “Thus far, only a few private trackers have decided to ban uTorrent and there are currently no signs that it will spread out to more.”[quote]

    a few i can count more then 20 of the trackers over the last month banning v2… and i totally agree…

    it causes unfair sharing amongst a community that is the only reason for the ban… if there was a switch in the client and a way for the trackers to read whether or not the member is using it or not…

    unfortunately the way the new upgrade behaves is like a cheat to anyone else and a community acts as a unit. they have created a different sharing client thats unfair and discriminates other clients. so in an event to be equal everyone would need to have utorrent v2 and no other clients allowed.

  • bpp

    utorrent 2.0 is awesome

  • pyornzz

    they hate again hahaha

    Utorrent rules

  • bubrub

    pirates being shity to other pirates
    the end is soon shit heads

  • Anonymous

    @50 yeah, and did you have to pay to get that speed? beyond probably paying for Internet access, I doubt it.

    Good luck downloading ANYTHING on Rapidshare at any speed without a paid account. Call it elitism, whatever, but anyone who claims to favour Rapidshare over torrents is either a) a troll or b) someone who has never been on a decent private tracker.

  • Cujo

    i perfer to manage and not be managed and have never used utorrent

    bubrub ,, the end has passed ;)

  • Anonymous

    @24 wow, i never realized what and waffles had such retards in them.

  • ememdeee

    aww, isn’t you client up to date with the newest? ;\

  • Sean

    Private trackers suck..
    Blazing speeds don’t make a difference when you’re downloading 5 or 6 torrents at a time and your max download speed is 1.5MB/s.

    ..and seriously? Are you so effing impatient that you NEED to get that album downloaded in 1 minute instead of 6? If so, you officially fail at real life.

    I also don’t have time to seed the 50gb Disney movie collection anyways. Cheers!

  • omfg

    just like vuze/azureus yet another client that gets bloated with features people don’t want/need ;-)

  • IAmAI

    Banning uTorrent seems rather foolish to me given it’s popularity. Presumably these trackers will be significantly cutting down the swarm size by doing so. How can that be fair for their users?

  • Virtual_ManPL

    HATERS GONNA HATE…

    uTP is significant improvement in BT history…
    cause it greatly lower throttle…

    P.S. Also fuck this shitty private trackers…

  • chen

    All biggest private trackers have banned utorrent 2.0

  • Jigsy

    I kind of favor this ban.

    Not that I have anything against uTorrent, but as most people ITT have pointed out, it has massive issues with speed going up and staying mostly down.

    I had to go back to 1.8.5 because of this reason.

  • chen

    Also all popular private trackers are following trend to ban utorrent 2.0

  • Anonymous

    @somedumbfuck: Bittorrent was created with the sole intention of spreading stuff as fast as possible to anyone who is able to connect.

    Wrong it was created for any purpose you want to use it for.

    “Ratios were never intended to play any role in that, but the ratio is used as currency on private trackers due to their peer-starved closed system — that’s why they don’t want anything that upsets people’s ability to maintain a ratio so stupid things like banning clients come into play.”

    1 Not all private sites have ratios.

    2 Private sites don’t have the rash of hit and runs and people limiting thoer connection to 1 kbps that crap publics do.

    @stf: “now to bussiness who in there right mind would run this client when it caps the hell out of you , top site users will notice the diference staright away ans say no thank you mister and then utorrent will go from one of the leading clinets to a bad taste in everyones mouth subject”

    God your a newb – a topsite is not a server running Bittorrent or a tracker it’s a goddam SERVER RUNNING FTP SOFTWARE run by the scene who FRICKING HATE ANY FORM OF p2p.

    Collossal fail.

  • -_-

    All of you, stop arguing. You’re getting everything for free. Why can’t you just be thankful for that?

    Seriously.

    And all you private site/public site/file-hosting site dweebs, stop saying that your source is the best. You can find anything on the Internet if you know where to look.

  • ltorrent

    Instead of going back to 1.8.5 I use 2.1 alpha, it is not banned by trackers I use yet =)

    In fact I do not use uTP since upload doesn’t go fast enough for me but 1.8.5 is even more slow, IDK why…

  • Anonymous
  • Dia

    No problems with the trackers I use, scc, tl, shd. And really, why would you hurt the majority of your users to cater for a few noobs?

  • specnaz

    That is so Microsoftesque approach to tech – a monopoly in the world of bittorrent? Interoperability as long our tech is being used. Imposing our technological sollutions on others, trampeling competition – wait I’ve been there. Congrats. And utorrent is closed-source, soo the question is what else is there hidden in the vaults of thair code.

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  • Whatever

    I too found the 2.0 client getting slow and making wave patterns in the bandwidth graph. It also dropped speed without reason while downloading something through browser or newsgroup.

    For example: Torrent is doing 100K download. So its logically to set newsgroup client to leave >200K of bandwidth unused but the torrent speed still drops to nearly nothing. I think the cause may be that because a measurement taken by uTorrent is immediatelly turned into an action. Because the only way (download) bandwidth throttling is possible on the client side is to pause, the newsgroup client is swapping between “full” and off (don’t know how often a second). If uTorrent checks during a download moment it will appear as congested while the bandwidth is totally free a moment later. Ofcourse its just a theory as i dont know how uTP works internally.

    Because TF had an article some time ago about the “friendly uTP” i searched the options and found and turned off “enable bandwidth management” which seems to help a bit.

    Its rather a problem for uTorrent users than anyone else for favoring uTP as at any time your internet connection is used the speed drops. The comment about not connectiong to a fast seedbox (a lot of comments earlier) is worrying as one might wait for ages that way.

  • Anonymous
  • phishybongwaters

    Isn’t it cute for people to come to a site with torrent in the name, then complain about torrents and suggest people use slow ass direct link services?

    How can i download a part of the file from there and check it? How can I specify which rars or what not to download instead of the whole package?
    How can I resume, without PAYING for membership?

    How can i manage the bandwidth without using a download manager (which alot of direct link sites block)?

    I’ll keep my fast ass torrents thank you.

    uTP if properly used (meaning everyone uses it) it would be a good thing, it’s going to avoid network congestion for everyone, which potentially opens up wasted bandwidth for you.

    The problem will be for people using overloaded isps, their speeds will suffer, isps like mine where they offer plenty of bandwidth, shouldn’t notice much of a difference.

    Personally, I’d have it disabled by default to avoid all of this. Most private trackers require DHT to be disabled, and Peer Exchange to be disabled, forcing all traffic through the tracker. The tracker can have these services disabled, so even if the user has them turned on, they are blocked at the tracker level.

    Can the same not be done for uTP ?

  • lol

    Private trackers are known to make stupid decisions and be selfish. Im curious to know which private trackers are doing it, as im sure they are some obscure tracker in BFE with 4 users.

    The ‘edge cases’ they are talking about is simply a code name for ‘whining bitch idiots who think they know everything and dont understand technology in the slightest’.

    Please go die in a fire, I cant stand to hear these no life losers who havent seen the sun in 14 years. Which puts them at the age of 15.

  • Jme

    Sorry to be picky, but it would put on a blacklist, if it was a whitelist, that would mean only uTorrent 2 was allowed.

  • Someone

    Trackers banning clients doesnt matter you know?

    The useragent can be changed quite easy… (i’m doing it all the time)

  • Yatti420

    Banning utorrent doesn’t seem wise to me lol..

  • hadopirate

    Overseeded torrents and seedboxes of private trackers gives more troubles to peers with low internet connections than uTP in uT 2.0…

  • Cwrw

    i find it ok

  • Dave

    I hope Transmission will implement uTP soon, but it seems to be a very hard implementation process. According to the inside discussion between the project leader of Transmission and users, they still need to deliver more complete and refined documentation. I think if BitTorrent Inc. reached out to the developers of mayor BT clients, they could get more acceptance for their new protocol.

    Ongoing discussion about uTP at Transmission BT client:
    http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/2338

  • anonymous

    uTorrent jumping the shark?

  • SFW

    I don’t care what the “elites” are gonna say…It’s been happening back since 1.9 alpha and even so uTP and bandwidth management wasn’t really working all too well.Started noticing Bitcomet-ish behavior right from that bat.You name it;Azureus,Deluge,Tixati and/or Halite,go back and forth juggle the clients it will all find uTorrent peers just fine EXCEPT when you go on these latest uT alphas and betas.There must be a good reason why other clients are taking the slow approach at implementing uTP.But it’s not like I’m saying that it’s that bad to warrant a mass ban or anything.24/7 seedboxes are just bad..period.Having that said some private trackers specifically in this case can be a bit too overbearing to say the least.Maybe if further finetuning are being worked on to the protocol and more better understanding by other client devs can put this debate to rest.

  • Whatever

    From the specifications (read it partly and then looked over it):
    “uTP adjusts its packet size down to as small as 150 bytes per packet. Using packets that small has the benefit of not clogging a slow up-link, with long serialization delay. The cost of using packets that small is that the overhead from the packet headers become significant.”

    Bad news for users in countries with download limits if they are on the receiving end of those packets. More overhead = Less download.

  • Anonymous

    Somebody said it best up there when they mentioned that we “need to get the ISP’s on our side.” It shows the ISP’s that we are willing to do our part to help them keep the copyright zealots of their back, and I believe that’s a relationship worth cultivating.

    That’s the whole point of the new utorrent. I’m willing to sacrifice a tiny bit of download speed to keep the whole system in place, aren’t you???

  • Anonymous

    They just afraid of utorrent boosters. Tracker admins know that uTorrent 2.0 works great with ratio cheaters and they don’t allow it.
    Proof link:
    http://www.faster-utorrent.com/

  • RoestVrijStaal

    Oh boy, I can work as a fortune teller.
    I saw this all coming.

    If Bittorrent Inc. open sourced the uTP Protocol, then there were lesser ( or not ) negative reactions about it.

    But somehow the “It’s-copyrighted-by-me-so-I-don’t-share-it”-virus of the MAFIAA has infected Bittorrent Inc. …sadly…

  • Ninja

    39 Mar 15, 2010 at 03:57 by Huggybaby: indeed it could be pointed. In fact it should be off by default.

    I seriously haven’t noticed any difference in the speed of torrents. If I get a torrent with a good number of peers (or even with a few peers but some monster bw in the middle) I’ll max both ul and dl. On the other hand browsing has become better with this utp thing.

    I particularly agree that there should be a flag to disable the feature from the tracker while it could maintain some management locally. I also agree that it’s an innovation that should be given a chance.

    As for the private/public discussion, well, the private trackers I use deliver blazing download speeds but it is quite troublesome to maintain the minimum ratio. Seedboxes an people greatly overseeding a torrent are the main cause but that cannot be fixed with technology. I know they have good intentions but hey, if the torrent is well seeded and your ratio is higher than 1 just let the others seed. I can’t max my upload on private trackers, it always go stable around half of my full speed. Public trackers on the other hand always max the upload while the download is a surprise box, if you are lucky or the torrent is VERY well seeded you’ll get decent speeds, otherwise you’ll have to wait weeks to get the content. I don’t particularly care if it takes long though as long as I can check it =)

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  • Yellow Shield

    uTorrent has be doing this for months and months now.

    Its really the worst offender when it comes to seeding.

    Doesn’t play well and the ban is well deserved.

    Vuze (old UI) really sets it self up as the cream of the crop. Best of the best. Fast with honor.

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  • Beta

    I recommend that you download uTorrent Beta!

    It’s about the same, exept that my down/uploads is faster now :)

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  • RS User

    I see a few people knocking Rapidshare, but I download at 50 MegaBYTES per second during low-use hours, and ~10mb/s during peak hours. Not bad at all especially when you don’t have to seed it back.

    I also use torrents if I want scene releases right away, but some RS sites do that as well.

  • Sack

    If ya want a replacement to utorrent try Halite its an open source bclient

    http://www.binarynotions.com/halite-bittorrent-client

    I like my stuff open source :P

  • hms-one

    “This is part of the challenge of innovation… but hopefully a challenge we’ll overcome,”

    “We’re well aware of these discussions and have been very receptive to the feedback we have received. uTP is being constantly tuned and like any advanced technology on the internet there are edge cases where there’s room for improvement,”

    @BT Inc. – Open your source of STFU. The BS you spew only illustrates your non-collaborative mindset.

    This sounds like Embrace, Extend, Extinguish to me. The fact is, as has been pointed out already, that we all know very little about this protocol, because it is PROPRIETARY. Widespread adoption of uTP may be good for Bittorrent Inc., but will likely be bad for BT in general.

    Even IF uTP does exactly what it says on the tin, and it is free to implement,(free of charge that is, I doubt it will ever be truly free) it is a client based throttling protocol. Why? How is that a good thing? Burdening a protocol designed to facilitate Sharing with ‘Intellectual Property’ restrictions just seems like a bad idea.

  • The Feathered Sign Painter

    As uTorrent comes out as the king
    It rises up and takes wing
    All of the haters
    Will sooner or later
    Follow up with a similar thing

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  • tipst3r.com

    If another client had as good of a WebUI and a RSS downloader I’d probably use them, but I’m still yet to find another client with as add-ons as uTorrent.

    http://www.tipst3r.com

  • arvid

    @hms-one: If you wonder why a transport protocol needs throttling, google the LEDBAT ietf draft.

    The article is a little bit misleading saying that uTorrent favors other uTorrent clients. In practice that’s the symptom. The reason why it happens is interesting though. It happens when you have a flash crowd at torrent startup, uTP is simply faster to connect than TCP, so any client supporting it will get connected first (uTorrent actually tries both simultaneously). The reason why uTorrent “favors” other uTorrent clients is because the connection per torrent limit is reached sooner, and the first ones to connect where mostly uTP, since it’s faster.

    The complaint really boils down to that uTorrent is too fast to connect.

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  • DarthVain

    How dare they use technology we are not using! How dare they indeed! Ban them I say!

  • Poor Bastard

    My neighbour is f’cking rich and he is making all the money in the world. I am getting nothing. Of course do I think that this is unfair! Whine whine whine …

  • BITZORZ

    I use bitthief all the time and it rocks with my crappy max 20K upload DSL cause it uses 2K up.
    Banning 13yo admins just stfu and die losers…

  • Paul K

    Hmm I wonder if favouring other utorrent users a way of trying to track and then monopolise the market? Paul, http://1daylater.com

  • utorrent 1.8.5 is best by far

    For those with high internet speed 2.0 version is crap (lower up and down speed). Also I realised utorrent 2.0 peers hardly upload to me but would suck my bandwith and bits like a vampire. Utorrent 1.8.5 & Bittorrent 1.6.3 (1.6.4 not bad either) are the best, linux users are best with deluge & libtorrent.

  • Firon

    @94:
    uTP is an open spec. It’s been open since july of last year.
    http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0029.html

    The only reason you don’t know anything about it is because you couldn’t spend 3 seconds to google the name and find the specs.

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  • Rommy567

    I still use 1.6.1 get blazing speeds so im not gona change it,id advise ya all to do the same :)

  • Rommy667

    I still use 1.6.1 get blazing speeds so im not gona change it,id advise ya all to do the same :)

  • Freeleech

    Actually uTorrent 2.0 is awesome. I’m on 100Mbps connection and I have no troubles with UL (or DL) speed at all. 1.8.x versions were actually much worse in this department.

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  • cando22

    Change comes with innovation… I have used u torrent for 6 years and I am extremely pleased…. I don’t see why u torrent is moving their users to the front of the line…guess we no longer consider bit torrents and all that share P2P as a “Fringe” activity… shoulda known that the almighty dollar(pound, euro,peso,keugerand, etc) would eventually become what it’s all about….

  • Anonymous

    I’m using the 2.0.1 version of uTorrent and it works great. Keep this in mind.

    Since there is less congestion, uTorrent users will experience no slowdowns in web-browsing, and ideally less congestion and a more efficient use of the network may result in faster download speeds.

  • uTorrent Freak

    I’m using uTorrent 2.0.1 and have no problems with speed.

    Keep in mind since there is less congestion, uTorrent users will experience no slowdowns in web-browsing, and ideally less congestion and a more efficient use of the network may result in faster download speeds. (via torrentfreak)

  • Evil

    It’s not banned on any of the private trackers I use, because they’re not run by retards who rely on hearsay and second and third hand reports of uTorrent “not playing fair”

  • Anonymous

    are you kidding me this is ludicrous

  • jack

    use deluge they fixed the problems with incorrect data being reported and it is the best.

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  • hmmm

    Apparently they do not want to have a UTP off flag because they are concerned that the ISP’s will use that as a way to block utorrent totally. There is a lot of speculation that UTP in it’s current form is pretty much unblockable and hence bypasses ISP throttling.

    As for those who spout that tracker staff are 13 or 15 year olds. You are sorely mistaken because I don’t know any under the age of 20 and with most over 30 and with years of experience in the computer industry.

  • Grn

    TC just banned it, and so has bitme. Never upgraded from 1.7.3 anyhow >.<

  • K`Tetch

    These private tracker owners that are so concerned about it being bad, did you check them out?

    Usually they’re what we call the ‘lunatic fringe’ – the kind that think every version of utorrent after 1.6.1 is spying on you for the MPAA, the kind that think you HAVE to increase the net.max_halfopen else it doesn’t work, that bitcomet (and others like bitlord) leak across DHT so you must disable DHT or else.

    All these things have something in common with the basis of the article – they’re all claimed by some private tracker admins. They have something else in common too, they’re all baloney.

    It takes no knowledge of bittorrent to run a tracker, especially a private tracker. Instead it’s running a few well documented install instructions, and then go hang around in idiot echo-chambers (such as http://thepiratesociety.org ) where you get stupid settings, and attempts to micromanage.

    Thats what it comes down to, their basic knowledge of bittorrent fails to allow them to understand the zero-sum game that is bittorrent transfer in a closed peerfield (such as a private tracker). What they’re mostly upset at though, is their cash-cow donors being dropped down the priority queue, meaning they’re less likely to hand over the cash the admins like to see coming in.

    Thats all this is, ‘admins’ worried they might have to get a real job to pay for their pot, or school books, trying to manufacture a situation so they can keep their easy income, without people realizing how clueless they really are

  • put me in, coach

    does what.cd require invite?
    i am a sharer of the utmost quality, ratio always in high regard. i would appreciate an invite if someone can spare one.

    my throw-away email is dankdisciple@hotmail.com

    lols@hotmail i know. thats why its a throw-away. only for junk, spam-bait, and invite requests. cheers ^_^

  • Thelen

    Hahahahahaha, lets ban the wheel as well, because it’s unfair to the people still using their legs!

    bitme etc admins are a bunch of ignorant tools.

  • put me in, coach

    hmm… what=chatnetworks? bah.. chatting is for non-sociopaths.

    utorrent ftw.

  • jon

    guys .how hard is it to untick bandwidth management on ut2. one click of mouse .there is a lot of newbs here lol

  • halocursed

    I can see where they’re coming from, but it seems like speculation to me. uTorrent is the best torrent application out there – at least in my opinion. Barely any memory is used, has an option to force encryption, very simple to use, and overall an amazing application. If there are enough seeds, I can achieve up to 1.5-1.9MBps on quite a few torrents using uTorrent. (http://gameranx.com)

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  • Anonymous

    I hope more trackers will ban uT 2.0. It’s a closed source protocol that goes against everything P2P.

  • Anonymous

    yea! ban that close sourc–wait, what?it’s an open protocol designed to fight against connection congestion which leads to isp throttling? just because uTorrent itself isn’t open source doesn’t mean everything about it is proprietary. In fact, it’s such a great thing, people are suggesting it be implemented in TCP. yea, definitely some evil shit going down here.

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  • annon555

    @ K`Tetch,, you talk a load of rubbish, i thinks its you who does not have a clue. All you are doing is spouting words ,where’s all your facts about private trackers, personally speaking i think you know crap, just speak a few words and think your good, its you who is full of baloney. Don’t spout unless you really know what you talking about is the suggestion i offer to you.

  • lol

    Not to mention uTorrent 2′s mass torrent add limit. It’s a serious pain in the ass if you want to add lots of torrents and still recieve the ‘where do you want to save’ type window.

  • Jimmy

    @ Ktetch – nice of you to take potshots at TPS. Just to let everyone else know, he was banned from there for being a troll.

  • Lord Alderaan
  • ?

    Do these sites ever consider that maybe I don’t fancy adding 280+ torrents on another client so that I can continue seeding?

    I also loose quickly checking stats as the client I move to doesn’t know how much I have upped on a completed torrent from the old client. I can check on the torrent site, but f**k doing that on all my torrents. THIS HARMS THE SWARM MORE!!! There are plenty like me just seeding lots of stuff. I don’t think they could be bothered doing the same either.

    Unlees the client is really causing harm, then ban but not over this. I’m glad the sites I use haven’t implemented a ban.

  • ?

    @116 Coach

    If I was going to invite you, I’d want you to give me your proper e-mail. Moron.

  • ?

    Meant to say:

    If the client is really causing harm, then ban but not over this.

  • cdx1

    i will be banning it from my Site i would say 1.6 is the best version

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  • Natas

    i keep transfer cap unchecked, but monitor my up-down for 31 day period. pc average about 50g up+down and seedbox 220 up+down thats a typical busy 31 day period. I use private about 85 to 90 percent of the time.

  • Mark

    That’s funny, because it’s just the opposite on a few other trackers. They have banned Vuze and promote Utorrent. Frankly, I don’t really care about the clients so much in the end. If the site is good, I’ll use whatever clients they allow.

  • !

    I still use version 1.6 (released in 2006). Keeps working without problems, so never any reason to upgrade. Amazing how few people show up in the peers list with this version. They all drink the upgrade kool aid.

  • Reality Check

    Doing the ISP’s work of throttling FOR them so they won’t throttle you is the SAME as being throttled. Just a different “entity” doing it….NOT. Yet another reason why Utorrent=fail.

  • demon

    thanx for this article..
    I had been wondering why my Utorrent was not attaining anywhere near the upload speeds it used to…
    it was taking FOREVER to get my share ratios up…. I’m back to the old version and WHAM BAM it’s blazin again!!!
    D

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  • LOL-o-Tron

    Wow. The degree of cluelessness about utp is about is pretty amazing.

    Love all you 1337 ‘tards who think that because you have a web site with a tracker or you download movies you somehow have some sort of unique skillset. LOL. You do not. You;re just users. Ohhhh, you buddy got you an invite to a provate tracker now you’re special. Guess again melvin.

    utorrent is a masterpiece of software engineering. It has a 4mb working set right now on my box with a fuckton of torrents going from a 300kb executable. Which is probably compressed, so call it 600kb.

    Vuze? Keep that bloated slow ass java shit.

  • Prabhsharan

    this versio sucks i get only 50 % of the speed i should get i have tried everything but same

    i am stickin to 1.8 its awesome gives nice speed

  • ememdeee

    stopping a good evolution is what the bad guys does =\

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t they add a disabel uTP option to the client, save everyone a lot of headaches?

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  • Anon

    @139 Hey dumbass its been mentioned like 10 times:

    Options -> Preferences -> Bittorrent -> Uncheck Enable Bandwidth Management

    That said, uTorrent 2.0 isn’t banned on What, Waffles, bG, IPT, Goem, AB etc. so I am just fine with uTP disabled.

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  • 1.6 user

    1.6 is all you need. works fine and was put out before utorrent $old its soul.

  • Gargamel

    “115 Mar 16, 2010 at 02:32 by K`Tetch

    These private tracker owners that are so concerned about it being bad, did you check them out?

    Usually they’re what we call the ‘lunatic fringe’ – the kind that think every version of utorrent after 1.6.1 is spying on you for the MPAA, the kind that think you HAVE to increase the net.max_halfopen else it doesn’t work, that bitcomet (and others like bitlord) leak across DHT so you must disable DHT or else.

    All these things have something in common with the basis of the article – they’re all claimed by some private tracker admins. They have something else in common too, they’re all baloney.

    It takes no knowledge of bittorrent to run a tracker, especially a private tracker. Instead it’s running a few well documented install instructions, and then go hang around in idiot echo-chambers (such as http://thepiratesociety.org ) where you get stupid settings, and attempts to micromanage.

    Thats what it comes down to, their basic knowledge of bittorrent fails to allow them to understand the zero-sum game that is bittorrent transfer in a closed peerfield (such as a private tracker). What they’re mostly upset at though, is their cash-cow donors being dropped down the priority queue, meaning they’re less likely to hand over the cash the admins like to see coming in.

    Thats all this is, ‘admins’ worried they might have to get a real job to pay for their pot, or school books, trying to manufacture a situation so they can keep their easy income, without people realizing how clueless they really are”

    YOU ARE QUITE POSSIBLY THE STUPIDEST MOTHERFUKER I’VE EVER SEEN POST ON THE TF COMMENTS.

    GO BACK TO THE PIRATEBAY AND STAY THERE HOMER.

  • Azag

    I don’t know where to start…
    Are you warez kids fucked up by drinking the municipal water or there just that many eating lead paint and living under power lines?! Seriously though so many stupid and truly ignorant comments it boggles the mind. Also all torrents are spied upon by MPAA, RIAA and governments if of interest if you don’t use a blocklist/blacklist or firewall/iptables your even more vulnerable but how many here actually ever monitored and traced IP to their true respective owners. My guess is very few if any in the list of posters. This majority w. a few exceptions reads like a retard fest on Youtube and/or Facebook, Twitter [Twats], or Myspace all of which ARE monitored by multiple governments not just USA as tards seem to think. The idea that the software is backdoored is laughable because it’s totally unnecessary. Think I’m a tin-foil hat type? Doesn’t matter as I am speaking of known and personally verified facts right now. Those last few comments were not opinions. Even TOR had it’s share of issues of rogue unblockable govt nodes but I digress… The throttle control can be turned off in uTorrent so it’s a moot point and has been hammered into ignorant trolls heads in many comments but obviously some kids have ADD/ADHD or cannot be bothered to read posts of others. This is like trainwreck of confusion and misinformation on this page is making my head hurt. Private Trackers who just don’t get it or feel snubbed go to hell and count your ad revenue when you get there. Average P2P users posting here and elsewhere probably have a dozenb toolbars in their browsers from forgetting to uncheck a box during multitudes of software installs and we can also assume they have so much spyware/adware on their boxes that they can only shrug their shoulders because they think the interwebz are stealing their megahertz. Other P2P developers stop bitching if it’s really open source and update your sh*t w/ the times. I’m sure this will be seen as a troll post but I can only take so many dumb comments before I want to snap a neck of a baby seal and rip it’s entrails out. =p For those who posted something here to be the voice of reason and set people straight I thank you for herding these poor lost sheep. I knew how ridiculous the premiss of banning uTorrent users was based on over a decade of application testing and ‘looking under the hood’ of things in the this dismal virtual world. Good luck to the muppets who just don’t get it!

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  • Anonymous

    Just wanted to add, due to my ISP’s craptastic router (FIOS MW) the NAT table is too small and hasnt allowed any of my torrent programs to run at full speed or upload at all. With this new 2.0 release it seems as though I do not have this problem anymore and although some people might disagree.. im just glad to see that it works without having to configure two routers to bypass this issue. If you dont know what im talking about then google fios router nat table and see what comes up. THX :D

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