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Verizon Determined to Expose BitTorrent Copyright Trolls

It’s now apparent that Verizon is fed up with the avalanche of mass-BitTorrent lawsuits and is determined to put an end to copyright trolls’ extortion-like practices. The Internet provider is asking a Texas court to grant discovery so it can expose how these companies operate. According to Verizon, copyright trolling practices don’t belong in court and the ISP equates the companies involved with “schoolyard bullies who push and shove until firm opposition is met when they shrink away.”

verizonTwo weeks ago a group of adult movie companies sued Verizon for failing to hand over the personal details of alleged BitTorrent pirates.

The Internet provider had ignored court orders and Malibu Media, Patrick Collins and Third Degree Films asked the court to hold Verizon in contempt and compel the company to respond to the subpoenas.

This week Verizon responded to the claims with a frontal attack.

Verizon is asking a Texas federal court to grant discovery so the ISP can expose how the “copyright trolls” in question operate. Verizon’s motion is short, but leaves very little to the imagination.

In its filing Verizon states that the copyright holders “pursue a scheme which, if not illegal, is at a minimum of a type to which the courts should not lend their powers and support.”

The provider has therefore decided to turn the tables. Instead of exposing the identities of their customers, they want to be granted discovery themselves so they can request sensitive information on the companies involved. An unusual request at this stage of a case, but needed because many of Verizon’s customers are unable to defend themselves.

“The circumstances are also unusual because the persons subject to potential abuse by the Plaintiffs’ approach are unlikely to be able, for financial reasons, personal reasons, or Plaintiffs’ tactical approach to those who do actively oppose them, to effectively oppose the Plaintiffs’ oppressive and unfair methods,” Verizon writes.

By exposing the tactics of these copyright holders, Verizon hopes the court can make an informed decision as to whether the alleged BitTorrent users should have their identities revealed. This exposé includes uncovering the tangled web of individuals behind these lawsuits, and the tactics copyright holders use to get defendants to hand over their money.

“Verizon intends, among other things, to seek discovery from the senior level managers of the Plaintiffs and from the persons affiliated with the Plaintiffs whose declarations have been used to support the Plaintiffs’ requests for discovery,” Verizon writes.

“Verizon further intends to seek discovery into the business model of Plaintiffs and whether the Plaintiffs are good faith publishers of the material they purportedly seek to protect as opposed to whether Plaintiffs’ business model is primarily profit from their aggressive and abusive copyright enforcement efforts,” they add.

The ISP concludes its request by equating the tactics of the copyright holders to schoolyard bullies who run away scared if their targets fight back. A seemingly fitting description as none of their cases have ever made it through a full trial.

“Plaintiffs’ tactics appear to be much like those of schoolyard bullies who push and shove until firm opposition is met when they shrink away. Plaintiffs, and those like them, have apparently avoided having to deal with these issues by not pursuing those who would raise these issues,” Verizon concludes.

From the filings it becomes clear that Verizon is determined to end the trolling tactics of the adult studios, and they’re not scared to invest money into the fight.

TorrentFreak talked to attorney Graham Syfert, who has a lot of experience with these mass-BitTorrent lawsuits, and he believes that this case could have a wide impact.

“If discovery is granted these companies will be subject to the same scrutiny as a Plaintiff in a trial, and those depositions and answers could be used in cases nationwide,” Syfert told us.

This means that if Verizon gets their way, and they uncover enough dirt, some of the most active copyright trolls may be put out of business. In any case, we can expect fireworks.

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  • Heisenberg7

    Next step: back out of the six strikes and tell them to shove it.

    Oh how I miss Verizon.

    • Expose Them All

      about time!

      • http://twitter.com/MarionHanks3 Marion Hanks

        A seemingly fitting description as none of their cases have ever made it through a full trial.http://www.youtubeGoogleGetJob.qr.net/jPfD/watch?v=su6YN9gczvM

        • 2Gary2

          your link is to an ad that will not let you leave the page. why do you post that crap

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          Gary, just flag and forget.

        • Jimmy671

          Piss Off Spammer.

    • Vavictis

      This is exactly what we need, big-time companies telling copyright trolls to go **** themselves.

      • utuxia

        i would be surprised if ISPs will take the side of copyright holders vs. its paying subscribers….but then again, that’s why they all need to adopt 6-strikes, if I don’t have the choice to use a non-participating isp, then i’m screwed.

  • Who

    careful it might be a trap or a lie.

    • gdfTeateam

      nothing’s will happen and in the worse case the bribed judge will slide out with copywrite trolls . the hole system need update .they are killing internet slowly giving some illusion of free speech and peoples right.

      • Sense

        The economic system not working for sure. It’s not only the internet that are at stake, the planet too.

      • death2trolls

        Maybe not … We are not talking Hollywood movie studios, we are talking about a pornography business that is based off of placing a “honey pot” on public torrent sites & wait for victims to get stuck in the trap. A business that aims to make more money from the litigation & extortion then they would ever make on an adult film.

        • JG

          True. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the MPAA & RIAA take up arms and use their resources (cough, corrupt, bribed judges) to help their “cousins”, the adult film industry… They wouldn’t want too much precedent set against their own trolling habits after all… I mean it would be so un-democratic to give the poor little 9yo an actual fighting chance against a multi-billion dollar industry that can hire as many lawyers as it needs to indefinitely drag out any legal proceedings to force her parents to settle…

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          And if Verizon manages to win a case against a sleazy small-time porn business out to make a quick semi-legal buck using the same methods employed by the big dragons of the MPAA and RIAA then a .

          In a precedent-based judiciary such as the US, that’s one hell of a “thin end of the wedge” as far as any ip-based extortion/sanction scheme goes.

      • Guest

        Do you know how hard it is to bribe a federal judge? If they pick up a dime on the sidewalk, there’s a financial statement about it. You’d have better luck bribing a jury.

  • Guestage

    Just go after all of them.

    After all, the other side thinks “Collateral damage” is perfectly fine when suing the pants off ordinary citizens.

  • frozar

    Considering Texas is pro big business and anti-lawyer, Verizon has a real shot at being granted discovery.

    • 1231

      Texas also has the most retarded people in the entire country.

      • Knapp40

        Been to Utah lately?

        • Lol

          u mean california, where people like lindsey lohan live @?

      • frozar

        Funny. Texas was barely hit by the housing crisis and jobs are actually booming here.

        • Ccc

          strange, in the shithole i live at, deanville tx, I havent seen any jobs booming in 20 years, so perhapse you are on lsd?

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Not really. They like “simple” solutions better.

        That’s bad when you give the “stereotypical caricature” texan a computer (He shoots it).
        It’s good when you give the “stereotypical caricature” texan a lawyer (He shoots him).

      • Zebra52

        Judging by your comment, I’d say you take the prize for stupidity.

    • Raul

      You hit the nail on the head. Verizon could have made this stand just about anywhere as Malibu Media has lawsuits filed nationwide. Their attorneys filed in this court because they have calculated that they have a very good chance of prevailing, Troll Lipscomb cannot be happy.

      • Lawnstone

        Nah.

        “Three of the copyright holders, all makers of adult films, have had enough of Verizon’s refusals and have filed a lawsuit against the company at a federal court in Texas”

        Verizon was sued in Texas, so that’s just where the case is taking place.

    • Lol

      then why is mari(j-uana illigal there? ps fuck echlon which is why i put the ) and – in there so they do not flag it. its on of their hit worlds

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

        Because Texas is big business and big business hates mary jane.

  • SSB

    Six Strikes Back!
    Verizon just grew “Six Balls”!
    (I guess they like customers money)

  • Bananas

    trolling is not a crime

    • Penal

      It’s a cybercrime. Penalty is RIDICULE!
      (Followed by nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, anal bleeding, and death)

      • Anon

        (pukes)

        Thrashing. lol

        • Wanker

          shut up shut up shut up

        • nonA

          Anon, your bitter life must not be good for you right know.

      • Lol

        well personally I think bleading out your pussy is gross, it should be made illigal also. Women and girls etc should fix this problem because how much tampons and maxi pads does it waste? (paper, plastic, cotton waste) and nasty and it stinks. i was watching a pron and there was this nice chick, then it showed closer and she was bleading out her pussy slowly. I was grossed out and stopped the video and went to another one. totally fucked up shit, if i had a pussy, i would get that think (shot or something) that made u blead out your pussy only 4 times a year and the permanent one where u dont’ bleed out your pussy ever one if they make that one, and i hope soon its coming.

        • guess who

          you took the brown acid, didn’t you.

        • xpmule

          omfg buddy !

          what kinda porn we’re you watchin where the chick’s box was bleeding anyway ? lol

          Jeez let me tell ya if you ever screw a girl on her period and go to the bathroom etc afterwards Don’t Look down ;)
          I have and damn that shit can be nasty especially when its sticky and half dried all over your cock :o
          But hey at least i got to put my lunchbox into her locker ;)

    • guest

      When 1 or more companies try to force information retrieval from another company is basically trolling(bullying). They waste the companies time and expose paying customers privacy over p2p bullshit.

    • Who

      it is when monitoring internet traffic is illegal.

    • Homeofthebadguys

      What about copyright “trolling” though?

  • Steve Smith

    This is one few times i will give verizon praise for standing up for the little guy against these bogus kinda practices that are nothing less then extortion.

    • Anonymous

      If fending off the trolls gains customers, they’re in. Last I checked, they still want to make money. The only people paying them here are their customers.

      • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

        Nothing wrong with that.

        If they make more customers from fighting of the trolls, then they deserve it. :)

  • ken147

    I have Verizon, this makes me all happy.

  • sonofsmog

    I have said it before and I will say it again. Verizon is the best ISP for exactly this sort of reason. They have been the most aggressive at defending their customers from this sort of practice.

    • Wanker

      they’ve implemented ’6 whines’ though

      • guest

        If they are willing to challenge the trolls, i’m sure the 6 strikes will be removed too.

  • guest

    Hopefully other companies say the same shit to copyright trolls.

  • markh

    I’m not an American, am happy that at least one company fights back

    • 346455345

      It’s nothing more than a ploy to get name recognition. Verizon has on more than one occasion handed peoples personal information over to MAFIAA.

    • Who

      its not the 1st ISP to claim they want to stop it. Comcast also said this a few months back and in case you haven’t heard Universal studios owns them now.

  • Anyone

    it seems like Verizon wants to stand on the right side of history

    now if only they’d back out of the 6 strikes scheme

    • 55345

      Nah, they too busy playing the double edged sword. Look at past articles here on Verizon, they give out subscriber information to MAFIAA without any hesitation and then they defend their subscribers and then they once again give out info to the MAFIAA without hesitation and then this.

      • Anonymous

        Maybe they finally realize the only ones paying them are their customers.

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          Just have to see how this plays out in the end, before we make any judgement calls.

        • Lawnstone

          Verizon isn’t pro-piracy. They do think it’s an issue to be dealt with so that’s why they’ve agreed to the six strikes policy.

          “We believe this program offers the best approach to the problem of illegal file sharing and, importantly, is one that respects the privacy and rights of our subscribers. It also provides a mechanism for helping people to find many great sources of legal content”

          And given:

          https://torrentfreak.com/six-strikes-scheme-may-lead-to-lawsuits-against-pirates-121212/

          I imagine they’d have agreed with this section of the policy. They’re clearly against copyright trolls, but if you’ve gone beyond the sixth strike, then it’s more a precise case against you blatantly disregarding the copyright laws, which Verizon aren’t against.

          As far as their problems with trolls, it’s like the shepherd against the wolves. Shepherd can’t have the wolves preying on his flock. That’s bad business. So that’s probably a good indicator of the mileage you’d get with Verizon.

          But like PotatoChip said, just have to see how this plays out.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Lawnstone

          “Verizon isn’t pro-piracy. They do think it’s an issue to be dealt with so that’s why they’ve agreed to the six strikes policy.”

          True enough, and I don’t think anyone should make a hue and cry over Verizon being on “our” side just because in one respect they try to save their customer base from disintegration.

          “As far as their problems with trolls, it’s like the shepherd against the wolves. Shepherd can’t have the wolves preying on his flock. That’s bad business. So that’s probably a good indicator of the mileage you’d get with Verizon.”

          This, right here, is why I keep saying that the copyright industry is in essence beginning to declare war against the world. Verizon might not give two cents and a hoot about whether or not copyright is enforced or not.

          But they do want to remain in business. Because of that they fend off the small-time trolls here. And if they succeed, they will have legal precedence of being granted discovery.

          Which would basically kill the MPAA & RIAA’s future bittorrent extortion suits as well. Being forced to reveal their methods will tell everyone – particularly a judge and jury – why the methods they use to identify filesharers, and possibly takedown notices, are seriously flawed.

          The head honchos at RIAA and MPAA know this as well of course, and are probably on their knees praying their small-time shortsighted copywrong colleagues die in a fire well before the judge makes a ruling.

    • http://twitter.com/inguatu ingua2

      6 strikes can be legit. Why? Because Verizon has a vested interest in ensuring people aren’t downloading movies. Why? Because Verizon is selling On Demand services. They would rather people rent movies from them than download it free, using their broadband. As a business that provides broadband, which people use to download, as well as media services (on demand, fios/cable) they have to walk that fine line.

  • incredibad

    Hopefully this starts a trend.

  • Guest

    I doubt discovery will be granted to Verizon but I hope it does and good luck to them. I can now imagine these copyright trolls right now are sweating heavilly than an a caught peadophile facing an angry mob of people in trying to find bullshit and lies to bullshit the judge with trying to get the judge not to award disclosure to Verizon.

  • Anon

    “Extortion like practices” ?

    Enforcing the law and protecting the rights of the people who own their creative material just makes good sense.

    • Guest

      Protecting their extortion rights you mean.

    • ada23424

      Sharing isn’t illegal.

    • Shogunreaper

      Give us money or we’ll take you to court on something thats not illegal, but we will probably win since we have so much money and lawyers to fight with while you have none.

      And oh yeah, we have no real way of finding out if you were actually the person who shared our stuff, but what the hell you’ll pay anyway right?

    • Wallace

      These plaintiffs don’t represent creators. They’re professional trolls like Righthaven.

      If Anon says something is good sense, you know it’s good sense.

      • Guest

        And was it not Righthaven who got a rude awakening.

      • Guest

        “On June 14, 2011, a federal court ruled that Righthaven has no standing to sue for copyright infringement, on the grounds that the original parties retain the actual copyrights, and that Righthaven failed to disclose their financial connections to Stephens Media.[17] Among other sanctions imposed by Federal District Court Judge Roger Hunt, Righthaven was fined US$5,000 for the misrepresentation.[18]”

        See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righthaven

    • Anon

      firstly, laws are human constructs and quite often plainly wrong – copyright law for example. so yes, enforcing a bad law designed to extort a monopoly rent is indeed extortion-like. if the law says it is illegal to blaspheme against allah, that does not mean blasphemy is actually wrong, just illegal. legalism is a well-known and quite immature stage of moral development.

      secondly, people don’t always deserve ‘rights’ / privileges the law might recognise. plenty of people were very angry about losing their ‘rights’ to own slaves or forcibly impregnate their wives. etc. you simply do not deserve a copyright monopoly – nor does anyone else. you are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.

      thirdly, what the extortionists do is not enforcing the law anyway so the above is by-the-by, the abuse of the legal system as a threat is actually barratry or close to it and itself potentially punishable quite harshly by law in civilised countries.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Thank you, I have been pointing this out for a long time. Just because something is “Da law” does not make it morally right nor sane.

        We have many laws today that infringe on human rights and Constitutional rights (usually the same thing).

      • xpmule

        what side is twisting shit around around ?

        don’t play dumb buddy you know what extortion is and you know damn well they shouldn’t be doing it so cut the fucking crap and quit trying to make sad fucking little excuses for doing what is worse than stealing.

        People that do it are fucking maggots and people that go out of their way to defend this behavior and no different.

        I hope you people put the wrong person on the street and they come to your office and deal with you “postal” style :)

        You morally corrupt piece of shit Terrorists are no different than Nazi’s making excuses for stuffing Jews in a Gas Chamber..

        I hope you get Kadafi’d you fucking asshole !

    • Guest

      Since when does extortion count as “enforcing the law”, Anon?

    • icec0ld

      Enforcing is not profiting.

      Using the courts to make money is wasting tax dollars better spent on real justice.

      • Who

        it is when they are DEMANDING cash settlements.

    • Wanker

      thank you for providing us an example of “troll”, you can crawl back to your hole, I mean home, I mean hole

    • IHaveNoBalls

      “protecting the rights of the people who own their creative material”
      You’re still talking about porn right?

    • Who

      protect them from what? if you mean protection from copyright infringement? for that to actual be feasible, one must 1st claim the WORKS as theirs.

      has any one ever claimed to be the creator of a movie/music album/game/software that they copied or downloaded?

      I have never heard of ANY ONE doing so.

    • ScrewEwe2

      What a complete looser you is.

    • Foff

      you see nothing wrong with making one person pay for all the sharing? Why don’t you lazy fuckholes just ask for the retail from each ip that downloaded that would be fair and not just some speculated amount from one person. What you are doing is dishonest and immoral as fuck. Stop throwing stones in a glass house.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Enforcing the law and protecting the rights of the people who own their creative material just makes good sense.”

      Even if you have to break the law to do so? Ah, yes, Baghdad Bob. We know perfectly well that no law can rank higher than copyright protection. For that law, you would cheerfully advocate rape as a suitable punishment.

      The above would be a joke if it weren’t for the fact that you have actually proposed it…

    • IDIOCRACY

      Hey Anon, yesterday you said that ISP don’t care : http://torrentfreak.com/canadian-isp-prepares-for-unprecedented-bittorrent-troll-assault-121211/#comment-733091909

      So what do you say now?? oops I was wrong???? nooooo you can’t chicken… afraid people will think you are stupid?? oh but you are??? well whatever, who is taking you serious anyway, you can only lie and say something different every day, even contradicting (if you know what that means) yourself over and over again. hehe

    • xpmule

      Did you win this argument last time ?

      Look up the word in a dictionary son..
      and yeah we should enforce the law because its good sense.
      Extortion is a serious and it makes good sense that we battle people who do this in the process protecting the rights of people who did no wrong.

      You what I’d be just as happy if anyone that thinks like you removes your garbage content from the planet.. i don’t want anything from fucktards like you !
      Take your Music and Software, Video etc and shove it up your fucking ass’s !

      Extortion / Copyright Trolling i guess goes hand in hand with posting stupid little copyright troll comments that butcher logic, reasoning and
      “GOOD SENSE”

      Is it “good sense” to come here and say stupid crap to us ?
      we don’t believe your lies and we’ll gladly point out how your full of shit and then proceed to laugh at you lol

  • Guest

    You can always get your mates Ben Dover and Phill McCavity to help you.

  • Sense

    Maybe they began to loose customers before going out like this.

    • huli

      it’s spelled lose…not loose you ingrate. Seriously have you never had to type a sentence that requires you to type “loose” like, MY PANTS ARE LOOSE, or THIS GIRL’S VAGINA IS SUPER LOOSE. Man this lose/loose epidemic among teenagers is driven me nuts.

      • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

        LOL… he misspells “lose,” and you call him an ingrate? Do you know what an ingrate is? It means “ungrateful,” so you’re just as much of a —– as he is. Further, being able to spell is not a measure of whether you are ——– or not, but calling people names over it is a measure of how much of a F—W– you are.

        • huli

          you must be an idiot youngin as well. When you call someone an ingrate it has a very general meaning. Anyway I’m not going to get into that. I’m not some grammar nazi at all, I hate people like that…but misspelling lose in that manner is disgusting. After graduating high school I never noticed this. I’ve only noticed it in the past few years. I guess it’s the stupid ass texting generation I guess.

          Anyway the only time I will get on someones case about spelling is the lose/loose situation. IT’S A COMMONLY USED 4 LETTER WORD AND YOU CAN’T SPELL IT RIGHT? For the love of god man….it’s crazy. I mean I want to know what goes through their mind when they type a sentence in which they have to use loose. Are you one of these idiots maybe? Can you explain this?

        • icec0ld

          @huli

          You just typed out a two paragraph angry rant on spelling in reply to a guy who pointed out that you’re being a complete douche to a guy for fairly common mistake.

          Take your meds, read this convo thread later and realize what a horrible person you are currently being.

      • Mephitidae

        ‘is driving me nuts’ or ‘has driven me nuts’ ?

        if you are going to be a grammar/spelling nazi at least make sure your post is squeaky clean on both fronts…

        • huli

          Like I said I’m not a grammar nazi. I hate grammar nazis. Misspelling lose/loose is a whole different story though. What you gotta understand is, it’s a fucking epidemic. If you posted on a lot of different message boards or played online games you would know this. I see it at least 20 times a day and it just started happening in the past few years. Your correction on my error is on where near the misspelling of lose/loose.

          It always happens the same way as well. They always type “loose” in place of “lose”. I mean…it’s shit you learn in 4th grade isn’t it? “Boy lose game to GIrl” rofl…I mean seriously. It’s some rudimentary stuff here. I happen to be the guy always cussing out the grammar nazi’s…when they harp on your/you’re their/there etc. Misspelling lose isn’t in the same fucking ballpark though as that.

          Anyway maybe you fags are just trolling me, because I’ve yet to meet anyone that knows how to spell lose/loose that doesn’t get insanely annoyed by this situation.

        • huli

          so funny though, grammar nazis are usually all over my ass. Usually I like to type how I would talk irl, or sometimes I will type in a kind of “odd” way just cause I feel like it.

          Sometimes ill type like this when i just dont care. Get outta here with that crap foo I kill you. Goin to the gym be worken dem delts yo…yo betta watch that my man….was gonna ask that homey wad up…what be goin on today broham…etc

          It all just depends on my mood really. Typen politically correct all the time is retarded. I like to type out words how I would say them in real life. Like I say typen not typing.

          Anyway this lose/loose thing is just annoying as fuck. It’s just not the same thing, and it does not make me a grammar nazi for harpen on these fools for misspelling that shit.

      • Dude

        who cares

      • Sense

        I speak french…

      • Sense

        A tink yu forgoth tho tacke yur medz

      • Iggy_pop

        I stick it deep inside cause I’m loose.

      • Who

        and you are a dick head for criticizing some one for just one misspelled word.

      • ScrewEwe2

        “Man this lose/loose epidemic among teenagers is driven me nuts.”

        driven…driving?

  • Anon

    Verizon will do what is financially expeditious. They’ll hold customer data until you are no longer worth protecting, and you, yourself will decide when that moment comes for them by the volume that you pirate and the requests the rightsholders make. When that moment comes and it’s cheaper to turn you over to the law, have no illusions, they will. lol

    • Guest

      We will all be dead when that happens lol

    • Anyone

      you say that as if the “evidence” is any more accurate than simply creating IP addresses with a RNG

      also, copyright trolls are not “the law”

    • Guest

      “Verizon will do what is financially expeditious.”

      Then why are they fighting back against the copyright trolls? That sure isn’t financially expeditious. Financially expeditious would be to just roll over and give the trolls whatever they want. Telling them to GTFO is the opposite of that.

      You’re not very smart, are you?

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Actually, the main problem “Anon” has is that Verizon and assorted other major ISP’s are realizing that “giving in” merely means they will have to put up gagging bagfuls of cash in the form of resources in order to cater to copytroll demands.

        They know full well they either put up the cash for a legal struggle now or spend the rest of eternity trying to satisfy the unending extortionist. Financially speaking, any fiscal manager would say it’s worth an investment to get rid of a permanent escalating drain.

        • BuddhaFacePalmed

          Kinda like Millions for defense, Not a single cent for tribute. One of the few things about America that I like.

    • Pelham123

      “you yourself will decide when that moment comes for them by the volume that you pirate”

      No, dude. No no no. You don’t get sued for volume. You get sued for participating in one swarm.

      I’ve noticed you’re posting a lot more now that people are calling you out for the sexual nature of your posts, and you’re stating more inaccuracies. Is that on purpose? Are people on to something?

      • Anon

        For the moment, it’s less expensive to ask for discovery than it is to turn over names, IP addresses and then have to contact every customer they expose. If served with a court order, I would guess they’ll give ID up as a batch because at that point, contesting a court order gets timeconsuming and they just want this to go away. Other commenters are quite right to remember they joined the six strikes regime. Piracy and the sheer bandwidth volume p2p takes up is no friend of Verizon, I assure you.

        And of course volume has a lot to do with this. Running BT night and day will get you noticed long before jumping in, grabbing a flick and jumping back out of the swarm will. It’s a kind of numbers game.

        You must have me confused with a few other “Anons” who post here and pretend as me. Fredrika likes to call me a rapist for reasons I forget, frankly, and I reminded her that TPB boys were the first to make a retractable baton sexual innuendo, not me, but that’s been the only reference.

        Is there something sexual in particular you’d like to read about here? lol

        • Anyone

          if there is no P2P there is no need for their expensive packages
          so they are shooting themselves in the foot if they go after pirates

        • Fredrika

          > “Fredrika likes to call me a rapist..”

          Please stop lying. I have never called you a rapist??? Or do you have a serious reading comprehension problem?

          > “..for reasons I forget..”

          I claim that you advocte rape of human beings, because you did exactly just that in a comment 6 months ago, would you like to dig it up for you????

          > “..and I reminded her that TPB boys were the first to make a retractable baton sexual innuendo, not me, but that’s been the only reference.”

          They made a joke about self pleasuring, to ridicule ignorant idiots that made baseless demands.

          You stated that a person deserved to be raped, because that person had been a spokesperson for a search engine.

          I repeat my question from earlier, do you not see the difference between advocating rape of a human being from suggesting self pleasuring???

        • Guest

          “Fredrika likes to call me a rapist for reasons I forget,”

          Fredrika likes to call you a rape advocate because of that time where you fucking advocated rape.

          Do you not like being called what you are?

        • Anon

          Are you referring to the time when I referenced Gottfrid Svartholm hopefully rooming in prison with a giant man named “Tiny”? lol

          I’ll stand by that. lol

        • Anon

          And not incidentally, it’s interesting how the “Guest” uses bold in certain sections the way in comments only Fredrika does, and then finished with a question the same way Fredrika does.

          She astroturfs. lol Who knew?

        • icec0ld

          Some can use bolding in their posts! Must be the same person!!!!
          /Rollseyes

        • Pelham123

          “And of course volume has a lot to do with this.”

          No. It absolutely does not. It is the exact opposite of that. You are tabbed for participating in one swarm. The tagger does not know or care if you have participated in 1 other swarm or 1 billion others.

          How is it that you post all these comments about “the law” and you don’t know this?

          “Running BT night and day will get you noticed long before jumping in, grabbing a flick and jumping back out of the swarm will. It’s a kind of numbers game.”

          The longer you stay in one swarm, the greater the chance of your IP address being collected in that swarm, true. But volume is irrelevant. No rightsholder is tracking that or even cares.

          “Is there something sexual in particular you’d like to read about here? lol”

          Please, Anon, no thanks. I know more about your tastes than I do my girlfriend’s.

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          “You must have me confused with a few other “Anons” who post here and pretend as me.”

          Then pick a name, quick being a hypocrite. If you really believed the crap you spouted you wouldn’t be commenting as an Anon.

        • Anon

          @ Pelham123.

          If it becomes clearer, then change “volume” to duration. Greater volume at a given bw equals longer duration within the unlawful activity, and thus increases your chances of getting caught. At any given bw, volume and duration have a one to one correspondence. You just like to argue.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “You must have me confused with a few other “Anons” who post here and pretend as me. Fredrika likes to call me a rapist for reasons I forget, frankly…”

          Ah, you mean you weren’t the “Anon” who was “fine with being a fascist” if it meant enforcing the copyright monopoly by violating numerous common civil rights and due process?

          You aren’t the “Anon” who decided to misquote the UN human rights article 27 as a feeble backup to your stand on “Copyright”?

          You weren’t the “Anon” who gloated about how filesharers should suffer a more appropriate punishment in jail, being raped by their cellmate?

          It was someone who writes exactly like you do, has the exact same stated opinions as you do, expresses him/herself in the exact form that you do. And for some reason has an identical disqus profile and identifier to the “Anon” who made all of those claims stated above?

          Naturally. That all makes sense. I believe if you have that much problem with “Anon” 1 through X hijacking your disqus account and posting, pretending to be you around here, then perhaps you should settle for establishing a nickname you might want to keep for a few years so such confusion will be harder.

          Ah, and before i forget…

          “And of course volume has a lot to do with this. Running BT night and day will get you noticed long before jumping in, grabbing a flick and jumping back out of the swarm will. It’s a kind of numbers game.”

          How grand. Anyone operating a mail server, everyone supplying TOR exist nodes, anyone with general computer science as a hobby and most gamers are, in other words, likely to get nabbed.

          Not to mention anyone setting a computer up for the first time will be maxing his link updating OS and apps. As will anyone sharing a wifi with neighbors and anyone running a business.

          Numbers game? Yes, indeed. And based on numbers, any such calculation you want to make is in many respects f**ked from the get-go. Now go to any techie who actually knows the numbers involved and let them tell you the exact same thing.

          Did you have anything else to say, other than trying to exculpate yourself from being a complete lunatic in previous posts bearing your name, or trying to wordwall your way around bad armchair math?

          Or was it just another post made by “Baghdad Bob” trying to appear a tad more sane than his deluded identical twin?

      • icec0ld

        Anon has being trying to worm in pedophile porn into the P2P debate with little success given it’s irrelevancy to music industries and legal porn industries currently trying to game the court system for profit.,

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          ” legal porn industries “

          I wouldn’t doubt these legal porn industries take part in the production of child pornography themselves.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      I had a nightmare in which I found myself agreeing with everything Anon said above; but, then I realized that I had just finished posting a very satisfying explanation of why everything Anon had just said represented a lethal weakness of the Copyright Industry.

      Thanks Anon!

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “When that moment comes and it’s cheaper to turn you over to the law, have no illusions, they will. lol”

      And now that it’s suddenly far more expensive to give in to the demands of assorted copywrong trolls they won’t.

      And turn over what? So far every judge and jury have struck down, in bolts of thunder, any “evidence” only based on ip numbers which is what this is all about.

      Baghdad Bob, still going on about how Saddam’s forces are bravely beating back the infidel…

  • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

    Wow… it shows something when we’re so surprised that a single corporation in the world would defend its customers.

  • Nuro

    Happy Verizon customer! Whoop Whoop! And c’mon… people who make porn parodies of popular blockbusters should have no right to sue pirates.

  • http://twitter.com/JerkfaceMcGee Jerkface McGee

    … and in six months they’ll go back to having a clearance (no pun intended) sale on their customers personal data.

    “5 for $500!” “No Money Down!” “No Warrant Required!”

  • http://Operation-DarkSky.askaboutit.com Needlez™

    I think the main reason Verizon wants discovery is probably for one thing. To see how accurate this up coming implementation will be. ( Six strikes that is) Also I think Verizon is trying to set a precedent for the other ISPs out there that look we’re actually not going to just roll over and die, why are you? This may just be a ruse to some of who think they’ll bend over but I think most ISP will put people who give them money above the corporations taking it away from them

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      I would substitute the words “tolerated” “accepted” “unopposed” for “accurate”.

      Verizon could care less if quiet results were murkier than a coal mine at midnight; but, Verizon would care deeply if 30 or 40% of its customers came out of Six Strikes wanting public hangings for their Congressmen.

      Those Congressmen would MAKE Verizon care.

  • Dudeski

    Somehow doubt they’re doing this out of the goodness of their dead, rotten hearts so.. What does Verizon actually get out of this? Or are they just tired of dealing with these douchebag trolls?

    • Anyone

      they get good PR and they get to keep the customers that buy their most expensive packages (“pirates”)
      possibly even gain some from the other ISP that are more willing to sell their customers out

      • Optonline

        Cablevision offers free usenet.
        First rule of Cablevision … Don’t tell customers we offer free usenet.

        • BING

          I just got Scroogled by CNN! Bada BING!
          (Anybody remember the original Scroogle?)

    • Dude

      Maybe they realize that six strikes will affect their business.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    Corporate Copyright Holders are putting all their friend on the rack; as much, if not more so, than their File Sharing adversaries.

    Don’t believe it?

    Well, imagine that two years ago you were a powerful Senator or Congressman, making a nice name for yourself beating up on Bankers, when the Copyright Industries asked you to sign up for the legislative initiative of the century: PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, and TPP. You put so much faith in their campaign contributions that you signed up as an early legislative sponsor. What horror! Protest signs crawled out of every logo on the Internet! Your own mother accused you of being a threat to American Constitutional Rights, and she was RIGHT! How could this have happened?

    Still don’t believe it?

    OK! OK! Well, imagine that a year ago you were a powerful American AG named Eric Holder; and, you were very busy doing your day job of figuring out how to constitutionally convict real terrorists who had publicly murdered three thousand Americans; but, who had been brutally tortured in violation of every known Constitutional constraint by a CIA that had momentarily confused its role with that of the Avenging Angel.

    You were distracted from this work by a summons to an urgent meeting with a skinny but powerful black man and his loquacious white sidekick, who told you in no uncertain terms, “Eric, you know what just happened to us with PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, And TPP! But that’s no excuse! We must stand tall for our national Copyright Holders! Poor Babies! They’re being robbed blind on the global Internet! You know by who, right? That’s right! Kim Dot-Com and Mega-Upload! From now on they’ll be officially referred to as the Mega Conspiracy. Like it? Well, it’s time for shock and awe! We’ve got live feed from Langley on that screen. Yep! Right there! See the helicopters? New Zealand SWATT! They do so want to be like Navy Seals! That’s them, going up the stairs. What Privacy rights? It’s New Zealand, not Boston!! What the fuck do I know whether they have a Constitution? Any minute now, Fat Boy will show up waving a broomstick and get his brains blown out. Warrant? Yes, they’ve got a warrant! Who knows what it says! It’s not in English! Hey, we took over the servers and got them copied. We’ve got what we need. A letter’s going out in your name to the hosting Company, Carpathia; letting them know that we refuse to pay storage; and, they can dump the rest of the data. Smart, right? In a week, Kim Dot-Com will be extradited to the good old USA. Two months from now no one will remember Kim Dot-Com or Mega-Upload!”

    Now, I’m not saying that the birth of the Mega-Upload prosecution went down precisely like this; but I am saying that recent American history is replete with examples where the most economically and politically powerful institutions in American Life were persuaded to overreach; to bent and fracture the law, if not break it; to subvert and nullify democratic process; to use and abuse individual citizens; on behalf of existing Corporate Copyright Holders; and, in each instance, they have been misled and misinformed; and in each instance, they have paid a bitter and painful price. That these are supposedly the elite political and economic friends of Corporate Copyright Holders matters greatly. Why? Because in American Politics and business, when what you have is friends like this who cause you this much pain, what you discover that you need is a Big Bus to throw them under.

    Which brings us to Verizon.

    No one is more vulnerable to ill advised support for Copyright Holders than the American ISPs. Why? American Citizens will first attack their ISPs when the Six Strike Shit hits the fan.

    Verizon has already seen this particular thriller. It Stars Verizon, Comcast, and a small coterie of other ISPs trying to rope in 260 million American citizens on behalf of the content industry.

    When things get ugly the only thing protecting Verizon, will be Verizon. Then again, Verizon will only have itself to blame.

    • ScrewEwe2

      Great commentary!

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Brilliant summary. And a nice read.

    • IDIOCRACY

      “Great commentary!”
      “Brilliant summary. And a nice read.”

      Couldn’t agree more….

  • Gen. Eric Guy

    Hah. This is just awesome.

    About time someone can fight these bastards on equal ground.

    Verizon, welcome to our ranks; you are an ally in my books.

  • Wally

    Many of us who read this article will think it’s a trap or lie, but absolutely certain that here in the US, a contract, is a contract, is a contract. If a party of a contract breaks said contract, they can be sued VERY heavily here in the US. Every ISP, by law, carries a clause that prevents them from revealing your personal identification either without a circuit approved subpoena involving violation of the CFA or a direct order from a judge who has issued a gag order.

    Now, being the geek that I am, will also let you know that here in the US, it’s also completely illegal to gain entry onto someone’s computer system through discovery level access. The copyright trolls in general used that method to determine what files are being read, and it’s likely the same method the US Copyright office was going to allow to be used for capturing infringers. And they said Hurricane Sandy was the main reason for the delay. This makes me wonder, as I think Enigmax or Ernesto had put it in an e-mail to me…no ISP here in the US wants to go first, if this very case is the *exact* reason why it has been delayed.

  • Bobmail

    Too bad that Verizon is doing this for completely self-serving reasons, and not for any real good. They are just trying to avoid having to do the work, plain and simple.

    Reality: The “copyright trolls” are in the right here, and Verizon needs to pretty much STFU and eat it. Let those people who are innocent or guilty have their day in court, to face the lawsuits brought against them. Stop shielding illegal activity Verizon!

    • guest

      Would you rather have your details be given away to some porn or movie/music copyright freaks even though you haven’t torrented anything at all?

      Most of the time the isp account holder hasn’t downloaded anything. It could be a relative, a friend, even the neighbor next door that has cracked your router password could of downloaded it.

      All 3 are impossible to monitor and the 1st 2 would like their privacy.

      So they harass you to pay a couple thousand dollars(maybe some jail time for a non-violent crime) and to waste your time in court.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Too bad that Verizon is doing this for completely self-serving reasons, and not for any real good. They are just trying to avoid having to do the work, plain and simple.”

      If some random guy walks up to any sane person and demands the sane person should spend one hour in each day working unpaid for “Mr Random” then I for one would say that the sane person does quite right in “avoiding doing the work”.

      No one can fault Verizon for that particular issue.

      I’d rather question the sanity of the person defending Mr. Random’s absolute “right” to demand a third party does their work for them. That would be you, then.

      “Reality: The “copyright trolls” are in the right here, and Verizon needs to pretty much STFU and eat it. Let those people who are innocent or guilty have their day in court, to face the lawsuits brought against them. Stop shielding illegal activity Verizon!”

      Actually the “reality” is that the “copyright trolls” are in the wrong for insisting that Verizon turn over their customer base to be used in the same type of mass extortion lawsuit which has been, time and time again, struck down by US judges as unlawful.

      In short, quite a lot of US judges and juries have, in the last five years, determined a precedent that Verizon may in fact be very very wrong in turning over as much as a single account holder based on ip adressation.
      Did you just “conveniently” forget that or are you truly that ignorant about what you so arrogantly declare as fact?

      Meaning that very little of what you state is verifiably accurate. Beyond that, often dead wrong. The only one thing you got right is that “innocent and guilty” should have their day in court.

      And even there you fail to realize that “hearsay” and unsubstantiated rumor, such as an ip adress grabbed at random, has already, by courts, been determined not to be a valid reason in itself for a court case.

    • Guest

      Look what happened to Rightshaven copyright troll and the same could well end up with these copyright trolls toll.

    • Guest

      I will point out and that is “NOT one person has been taken to court for not paying any settlement given on receiving a letter from the copyright troll”. This completely shows that the copyright trolls has NO intention of taking the person to court and that it is just about extorting money. Why bother to send a letter to someone asking/threatening them to pay say $1,000 for example to avoid going to court and then actually not take that person to court who then refuses to pay!

    • 12312312

      File sharing isn’t illegal.

  • Supispyoumad

    getting popcorn :{D

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    Verizon strikes me as a conflicted serial customer brutalizer.

    “Why so conflicted?”, you ask.

    The easy, superficial answer is that customer misery is normally not consistent with maximum profit; but, then again, I reject this explanation because Verizon and its five ISP friends are nominal oligopolists, and actual monopolists, who glory in the reality that their customers have nowhere else to go.

    “So, why the conflict?”, you ask again?

    Answer: Verizon, like Biblical Joseph of Old, answers to a Higher Power: The American State.

    Although it makes perfect sense for a monopoly to brutalize its customers (to the precise extent that they have nowhere to go) in the service of a business purpose (like making sure they continue to have nowhere else to go), even for a monopoly, it makes no sense whatsoever to brutalize customers for purposes that have no relation to the core business; or, to an extent that turns them into activist petitioners as citizens before the State.

    In this context, Six Strikes is an imposition of the American State, rather than Verizon and its four ISP buddies. After all, if you were the five CEOs of the Five ISPs, would you wake up on a fine Sunday morning determined to justify your multi-million dollar salaries by trying to impose this ugly thing called Six Strikes on a combined 260 Million Customers?

    No sir! That number, 260 Million is what is most wrong with Six Strikes!

    In order to get a full sense of Verizon’s Conflict, you need to imagine two Huge Buses: Bus #1 is a patchwork of bad ideas. Its got bad wheels and bad steering. It relies on pure luck and gravity to get where it’s going. It is the Bus that Verizon will throw its customers under “if all goes well”.

    Bus #2 is also very Big and very Heavy. It must be Big and Heavy, since it carries the five ISPs combined 260 Million Customers.

    That is the Bus American Citizens will throw Verizon and its four ISP buddies under “if things go badly”.

    How do we know this? Because when 260 Million Americans petition the State, they are not mere petitioners before the State: THEY ARE THE STATE!!

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Another brilliant summary.

      And a good read.

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  • Anonymous

    did i miss it or is one other thing Verizon is going after is to expose the methods used to get the IP addresses in the first place? as far as i am aware, no one has put the methods used under scrutiny at all, let alone under court scrutiny

    • Lol

      these should have been exposed long ago when the fbi started locking people up for sharing videos, and they have already invalidated those cases as they said digital evidence is just data, and that data has no value (see megaupload case)

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  • Roswell1701

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. My ISP has only one legal and contractual obligation: to provide me with a stable and efficient connection to the Internet. Policing it’s users is a violation of privacy. Good for Verizon! In every revolution, there’s one man (or ISP) with a vision. I firmly believe that most (if not all) ISP’s want absolutely nothing to do with the MAFIAA’s Copyright Trolling efforts in any way. Why would they? They have NOTHING to gain!

    • Bill_Bates_40

      When NBC-Universal owns the country’s largest ISP, one begins to see why at least one provider has an incentive…

      • Roswell1701

        Very true. This is why, in some cases, Big Business can get a little too big. :)

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    Grabs popcorn.

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  • grandpamike1

    Now if AT&T would do the same

  • Mouseanony

    Wow, Verizon grew balls! Now if only they could grow a brain…

  • Kalium

    Well, what those pornsters basically did was back Verizon into a corner; “do as copyright industry tells you to or hand over consumers’ data.” They didn’t expect Verizon to fight back, did they? Between the devil and the deep blue sea, Verizon chose its customers, which is what any self-respecting corporation should do. If Verizon gets what it wants from this case, it will turn out to be the pornsters’ biggest mistake ever. And if the case sets a precedence, it may even be their last mistake ever.

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  • Hollywood Isrunbyjews

    Whenever you see someone trying to squeeze as much money as they can out of people who can’t really afford it by any means possible, no matter how underhanded or even illegal it’ll always lead to…. THE JEWS!!! You know it’s true and so do all the people of the world finally waking up to the fact that these filthy bastards have gone through history destroying all other cultures & sucking them dry like the pathological parasites they are!

  • Wallyb132

    I just gained an ounce of respect for VZW, a few more moves like this, i might actually like them.

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