“Wee Man” Not Happy With Copyright Troll Lawsuits

Ernesto
March 19, 2013
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Jason ‘Wee Man’ Acuna of Jackass fame is not amused that hundreds of people are sued for allegedly downloaded a movie he starred in. The film, Elf-Man, premiered on DVD late last year and its makers are now trying to boost their revenues through mass-lawsuits targeted at alleged BitTorrent users. And they’re not the only independent film studio that jumped on the copyright troll bandwagon recently.

elf-man The troll versus the elf sounds like the title of a cheap B-movie, but it’s actually a harsh reality.

Over the past weeks Elf-Man LLC, the company that produced the movie with the same name, has sued over 200 alleged BitTorrent users in Colorado and Oregon.

The lawsuits are typical troll affairs in which the copyright holder asks the court to reveal the identities behind IP-addresses previously monitored sharing. These account holders then receive a letter asking them to settle the case for a few thousand dollars each, or else.

Not everyone is charmed by this practice and “Elf-Man” himself is one of them. Jason ‘Wee Man’ Acuna, the star of the film, has spoken out against the troll action on Twitter.

“My representation has spoken to them.. I’m not backing it at all.. Has NOTHING to do w/ me!! It’s all them..,” Acuna writes.

Despite Acuna’s lack of involvement he is prominently featured in the legal paperwork.

“Plaintiff Elf-Man produced a novel family oriented comedy motion picture staring Jason Acuña as an Elf left by Santa to help a family come together and learn about Christmas,” the complaints start.

The copyright holder then goes on to claim that many people justify piracy because they believe movie producers and the big stars are already wealthy, forgetting the lower wage employees.

The Elf-Man lawsuits are not an isolated incident. In recent weeks several independent movie studios have joined the parade of adult movie outfits and jumped on the BitTorrent lawsuit bandwagon.

The “new” film titles for which BitTorrent users are targeted include Zambezia, The Ledge, Division III: Football’s Finest, Maximum Conviction, Night of the Templar After the Wizard, 6 Degrees of Hell, The Divide, and Evidence.

The lawyers and the production companies of these film are looking forward to hundreds of thousands of dollars in settlements. Whether the actors or any of the other low-wage employees will see any of it remains to be seen.

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PirateSoldier

3 2 1 trolls go
- Bobmail
  
  Insults to everyone! What is the subject? Am I on a computer? I think free things are evil and I always cause a commotion on sample day at the supermarket.
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MppaSoldier

I love MPAA!
- One-Eyed Willie
  
  Are you trying to see how many down arrows you can get?
- http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/RKKPBJMHI22ZE7BO2BHOFA3TMM Volker
  
  MOTHERFUCKER & PEDOPHILE ASSHOLE ALLIANCE
- UraPhake
  
  So…exactly what is a “mPPaSoldier?”
  Go ahead…it’s alright for you to tell us about your “pp.”
Typhoid Mary

Bob just shit himself, so the orderlies are cleaning him up and giving him a good powdering. He’ll be running around naked in the Activities Room like a clean puppy in just few minutes.
- highboi
  
  Thanks for the heads up
- Cluster
  
  As usual, your comments are completely useless.
  You can’t even argue with bobmail,
  you only spend the time insulting him,
  then you think you are a genius.
  - Typhoid Mary
    
    Oh darn, your on to me now Cluster.
    
    What will I ever do now that my secret is out.
    
    I think we just found out who Bobs roommate is, or shall I say alter ego number 486
    
    Talk about genius.
    - bobmail
      
      Every time I think you hit bottom, you find a way to get yourself into the grain of the wood of the barrel.
      
      All I can say is that I am shocked that the community here would support you in any manner.
      
      “Arguing with a troll or a crazy person is sort of like a dog chasing its tall, pointless.”
      
      it may be the only thing you got right, so I won’t argue with you twat troll. I just shake my head in sadness at how stupid you really are.
    - ScrewEwe2
      
      Gee Bob, I wonder what your mother would think of you calling a fine person like Mary a “twat”?, you sexist pig.
    - Typhoid Mary
      
      Your a dear ScrewEwe2. Happiness and love sweetheart.
    - ScrewEwe2
      
      Thank you Mary. I always enjoy your posts.
    - bobmail
      
      My mum, rest her soul, would have used many more fine four letter words to describe her, and would have gone into much more detail on the topic.
      
      I restrain myself to “twat” because it covers it all nice.
      
      I think it’s wonderful to see TF completely wiped out by a troll like Mary. It’s the ultimate in self-trolling, if you know what I mean.
    - Typhoid Mary
      
      No, we don’t know what you mean. Please explain. I have my popcorn and I’m ready
    - bobmail
      
      bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt! fail.
    - Guest
      
      What is the noise when bobmail tries to get an erection, Alex?
      
      (I couldn’t resist. Strangely it pisses off bob 100% more to ad hominem him than it does to kill his lies. He must have some hardcore personal insecurity going on. Tiny penis much?)
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Actually no. Bobmail views facts as ad hominem and thus it’s very hard NOT to piss him off.
      
      Especially if the fact in question is what he himself stated on an earlier thread.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      I was content to simply skim through the exchange until I hit this
      
      I think it’s wonderful to see TF completely wiped out by a troll like Mary. It’s the ultimate in self-trolling, if you know what I mean.
      
      TF survived Jack murdock, Anon, and you. Calling us completely “wiped out” is a bit of a stretch. But I can imagine how you got to it, given your previous comments.
      
      Bobmail logic: Mary is being mean to me.
      
      More bobmail Logic: Everyone else is mean to me as well.
      
      Bobmail conclusion: Everyone is Mary!
      
      Bobmails new theory: If everyone is Mary torrentfreak will collapse since it’s all just one person and me sitting around abusing one another.
    - Zumzum
      
      Nice. But the sad fact is that Mary and Bobmail are the same person. It’s just Bob trolling itself so that it can use that as proof that torrentfreak is full of Mary-a-likes as a derogatory ad-hominem.
      
      Yes, that’s how much ‘fail’ Bob has become.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      What truly frightens me is that you may be correct.
    - bobmail
      
      It’s interesting to note that your post has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Another TF troll destroying the place. Congrats.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Given that the “discussion at hand” was you ranting about “Mary” once again, what was there even to discuss?
      
      And as for “TF Troll”…no, that title would connotate someone such as you, whose forum existence revolves around deceit.
      
      And it’s a well-earned title to boot, undear “Baghdad Bob”.
      
      That aside, since the place consists of the commenters, the one “destroying it” would logically be the one most downvoted. Again, that is you. By an order of magnitude to anyone else.
      
      But let me get this straight; you walk into a busy gathering, start flinging feces on the walls, accuse random bystanders of whatever fevered implication happens to occur to you and finally, at the end, climb a soapbox in the middle of the room and scream “You people are DESTROYING this place!!”?
      
      Priceless.
    - Boobmail
      
      “I restrain myself to “twat”"
      
      Then you do not know what “restraint” means, either.
      
      Add this to the long list of things you do not know or understand.
    - Typhoid Mary
      
      “of the wood of the barrel” ??
      
      That sounds somewhat redundant. Can’t I just be in the grain of the wood without the barrel?
      
      I’d prefer natural wood to if you don’t mind to much.
      
      And I see you just want to insult me, but you don’t want to argue. Is that your sole privilege to decide or do I have any say in the matter?
    - chris
      
      Where are the mods on this comment section? Every freaking article comment section is filled with the two children (Bob and Mary) slinging insults at each other…
    - appleaction
      
      they f u c k on weekends
    - bobmail
      
      Hey, I don’t start it. Mary has decided to troll and bait me, and in doing so is effectively destroying the site.
      
      Deal with her, and the problem is resolved. Notice who has many of these posts deleted here… it’s not me.
    - JordanKratz
      
      bobmail = Bastard of a Bastard Mail
    - Guest123
      
      Good point. Responding to Boob’s nonsense is
      truly the “grain of the wood of the barrel,” which I guess is supposed to only be at the bottom, haha.
      
      I support Typhoid Mary’s attitude toward Boob, but I agree with Boob that arguing with Boob is pointless.
  - Wallace
    
    “As usual, your comments are completely useless.
    You can’t even argue with bobmail,”
    
    True … all responses to Boob are useless. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about half the time and lies the rest of the time. He even makes rightsholders look bad.
  - appleaction
    
    i am a genius
- http://twitter.com/JenineGiommi Jenine Giommi
  
  Some of these companies exec’s and their lawyers have rat intested house and might have to be torched in order to keep our children from getting diseases. Remember to always protect our children…… http://www.youtube.com.xurl.es/dl8o9/watch?v=QZEpDqP3IrQ
The_Strawbear

Of course the people who made the movies will see none of this ill gotten gain. That’s the fundamental and hateful flaw in this whole operation.
- Guest
  
  +1 for the rare moment of honesty.
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One-Eyed Willie

Does not look like this movie made a lot of money so these assholes abuse the system and try to sue innocent people to make up for their bad producing. Sad, very sad that these maggots resort to these tactics but it is even sadder that our system allows for this bullshit in the first place.
http://twitter.com/DarkNinja45 WD

Huge respect for Wee Man for speaking out against this.
- Davo
  
  but is he really against it, or is he just saving face while getting more money and free advertising? Maybe im skeptical, but his response is pretty much textbook – hes not going to say “im totally behind it!” is he?
  - josh1073
    
    So by that logic then if he says hes behind it hes the one controlling it all and if he denies it hes still behind it?
- Guest
  
  true.. but what is he gonna do about it?
  
  for now, it looks like this: “it’s not me, it’s them waaa waaa! blame them while I do nothing and bitch about it!”
  
  actions matter, words don’t.
downunder

its obvious that wee man made millions and is happy with what he got money wise *not being greedy fook like so many, and hassling a few 1000 downloaders or what ever the figure is xTIMES extortion fee is not worth the time and money and bad publicity.. but then again it may be all a ploy to get publicity where they drop the case later :) so he gains more respect and more people go out and buy his suff for standing up for the poor man where $30 a a dvd is heap of money if your unemployed and living on $200 a week
- Guest
  
  If you’re poor, why would you go out and buy his stuff when you can barely afford it? This is something that the MPAA doesn’t get, though. Respect and “morality” are not the only factors to take into account when people buy something.
  - bobmail
    
    He’s a suggestion… I know, it’s wild… but..
    
    if you can’t afford it, live without it
    
    I can’t afford a garage full of Ferraris. I don’t just go to the dealer and take one, I live without it.
    
    When I fly economy and their are first class seats empty, I don’t just move and sit in them. I live without it.
    
    There is no right in any constitution or charter of rights that grants you the “right to entertainment of your choice, delivered free if you cannot afford it”.
    
    if you can’t afford it, live without it
    - Anyone
      
      if it is available for free, why should we live without it?
      
      if the MPAA was around during Jesus’ time he would have been crucified for the copying of fish
    - Anon
      
      “if it is available for free, why should we live without it?”
      
      Fool. Go ahead and break the law, then. Compel scrutiny, more law and law enforcement. Get caught with “available for free” and take it up the ass like Rassert and Tenenbaum. But then take it like a man and stop blaming your ethics free behavior on everyone and everything else you don’t like about the world. Pirates are dumbasses. Can you hear the whiny little nasally voice?
      
      “Why should we live without it?” lol
    - Anyone
      
      I’m not lacking ethics
      I’m behaving quite ethical
      
      I’m not the one ruining innocent people’s lives with troll lawsuits
    - Anon
      
      Copyright monopoly steals from us all. The reward of labor is the thing created. And a thing is not its copies. If you didn’t want that thing, you shouldn’t have labored. I didn’t ask you to. If you don’t want something copied, don’t release it. It is unethical to try to build a global police state instead of just not releasing if you don’t like copying. It’s essentially equivalent to demanding everyone chop off their hands so they can’t touch your treasure instead of just putting your treasure in a treasure chest and chortling over it. We don’t need you, we don’t need your “art”. We’ll share it freely if you release it, because it is our right as humans.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Always nice to see your usual humanitarian outlook.
      
      “…and take it up the ass like Rassert and Tenenbaum”
      
      I also see your preference for rape as a form of punishment is still going strong. Nothing conjures the image of an MPAA/RIAA mouthpiece quite as well as the self-confessed semi-hysterical fascist with delusions of adequacy and a hard-on for inhuman penalties.
      
      Well done, Baghdad Bob.
      
      Now please explain which of the 20% of the online community indulging in filesharing will be “taking it up the ass” over the next five years?
      
      It’s still about as likely as being struck by lightning. And unlikely to amend the habits of people who won’t change the way they live even when the odds of actually getting killed in a car accident is 40,000 times as high as the chance of getting hauled into court for filesharing.
      
      “Pirates are dumbasses. Can you hear the whiny little nasally voice?”
      
      We can hear you just fine. I guess us “dumbasses” will have to keep listening to your whiny nasal little voice while we keep running around you in circles, Baghdad Bob.
    - Guest
      
      Anon, you sound like a moron. But I am not a rude arse. I am not going to go and call people names and try to make them feel low and shitty over an article!
    - Anon
      
      “if it is available for free, why should we live without it?”
      
      Fool. Go ahead and break the law, then. Compel scrutiny, more law and law enforcement and spankings. Compel more! And more! Get caught with “available for free” and take it up the ass like Rassert and Tenenbaum. Because that’s what I imagine happens here – people take it up the ass. But then take it like a man, like I did with my dad, and stop blaming your ethical behavior on everyone and everything else you don’t like about the world. People who think for themselves are dumbasses. Can you hear mywhiny little nasally voice?
      
      “Why should we live without it?” lol
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Double post there. Or was it just another attempt to parody the clown?
    - bobmail
      
      It’s only available for free because someone is breaking the law and not respecting the rights of others.
      
      As for the fish, all I can say is “wow, you copied that from which anti-copyright troll site”?
    - Anyone
      
      if you restrict what I can do with my files you are not respecting my property rights
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      “As for the fish, all I can say is “wow, you copied that from which anti-copyright troll site”?”
      
      The Bible.
      
      I’m not too surprised to see you railing at competing religions either, I must say.
    - Zumzum
      
      “anti copyright-troll site”
      
      There, fixed that for you.
    - Bobmail
      
      “There, fixed that for you.”
      
      I have no idea what you did there. I do not see the difference. I just don’t get it.
    - Ardvaark
      
      Not surprised. You’re abysmally clueless about everything!
    - Bobmail
      
      “Not surprised. You’re abysmally clueless about everything!”
      
      I know. I honestly don’t know why I make myself look so stupid on this site. Sometimes I look at myself in the mirror and say, “Jesus, my mum raised me for this?”
    - n_mailer
      
      “It’s only available for free because someone is breaking the law and not respecting the rights of others.”
      
      Maybe, maybe not, and we know from experience that you do not know or understand those laws, Boob.
    - Pierat
      
      actually there is. the 5th amendment. it mentions your rights to property and YES that CAN apply to your choice of how your entertainment is delivered to you or your viewing method of choice for that matter.
    - Wpgsweet
      
      “if you can’t afford it, live without it”
      
      In this scenario the entertainment industry still isn’t getting any money from us.
      
      Piracy versus Living without = zero $ either way
      
      At least with piracy you are getting some word of mouth advertising, (if it is any good).
      
      There is plenty of stuff that I have downloaded that I would never have paid for even if piracy didn’t exsist. But I did tell others about what I downloaded. I guess I could have just gone without, and never told anyone about it. Either way, they won’t be getting my money.
    - Guest
      
      I do live without it. The problem is, jackasses like you then look at low sales and scream “piracy!”, then demand for laws to punish me further.
      
      The good news is that the best dogs you have in the fight are John Steele, Evan Stone and Andrew Crossley.
    - bobmail
      
      How can anyone punish you for not breaking the law?
      
      If you don’t pirate, no problem.
      
      What punishment are you getting, exactly?
    - Guest
      
      What punishment am I getting?
      
      - DRM on software and hardware I legally purchase.
      - Taxations to support laws that require only an IP and accusation to drag me to court, while not allowing me sufficient defences in the high likelihood your enforcement agents make errors.
      - Public performance fees paid to performance rights organisations even when they don’t hold the copyright.
      - Tax on all blank media because they might be used for piracy.
      - Allegations that state that as long as I have software like Eraser and CCleaner on my computer, I must be a filthy pirate.
      
      We could go on. But of course this wouldn’t matter to you. After all, your side of enforcement is used to breaking the law just to sue two people out of two million. High courts for you and low courts for the rest of us. But hey, don’t worry. Thanks to your best friends John Steele and the RIAA more people have clued into the details of your scampaigns.
    - bobmail
      
      - DRM: Blame piracy. There would be no need if there wasn’t any piracy. Go beat up your pirate friends, they created the need.
      
      - Taxation: Umm, wow. You are reaching here. How much do you think you got taxed last year to support IP? Since I doubt you have a job, I am guessing “nothing”.
      
      - Public Performance fees are paid to collection groups, who pay the artists. The alternative would be each artist having to invoice each venue for each performance, and to hire a crack team to visit each of these locations each day and make sure their music isn’t being used. Your argument is stupid.
      
      - Allegations: Take off your tin foil hat, you will feel better
      
      You could go on, but you would be just making a bigger fool of yourself. None of the things you listed are punishment (outside of DRM, and you know who to blame for it). The rest is the normal day to day of your life. Imagine how much of your taxation goes into funding the cops who write those f—king parking tickets! Oh, the humanity!
      
      Seriously, if you think any of this is a problem, I would love to live in your world. The rest of us have bigger issues to deal with (like do you fold QQ on the button when the big stack makes a 4BB raise ahead of you).
      
      Oh, and when you start acting like anything the RIAA or MPAA does as being ” your scampaigns” i pretty much know you lost the plot.
    - BuddhaFacePalmed
      
      “- DRM: Blame piracy. There would be no need if there wasn’t any piracy. Go beat up your pirate friends, they created the need.”
      
      - Genocide: Blame the “insert minority of choice”. There would be no need if there wasn’t any “insert minority of choice”, Go beat up your “insert minority of choice”, they created the need.
      
      “- Public Performance fees are paid to collection groups, who pay the artists. The alternative would be each artist having to invoice each venue for each performance, and to hire a crack team to visit each of these locations each day and make sure their music isn’t being used. Your argument is stupid.”
      
      Oh, is that why MAFIAA takes $16.7 billion per year for essentially doing what bands can do nowadays with more freedom and less hassle.
    - Guest
      
      - I don’t have pirate friends, but seeing as you’re already willing to assume anything and everything I know there’s little point in discussing anything with you.
      
      - You’re fooling yourself if you think collection agencies put any effort into paying anyone. Interviews with PROs in places like the UK confirm that payments only go to the top 10% performers; anything else is pocketed by the organisations. So you have organisations collecting licence money which never goes to the artists that are meant to be supported. Oh, and if the PROs can’t locate the artists? They don’t even send checks in the mail, claiming they can’t find the addresses. Hint: it’s not hard. Any fool who can use Google can do it.
      
      - Allegations like the above are exactly how your friends in John Steele insist to judges that spoilation of evidence occurred; therefore they should be allowed to harass defendants endlessly, because having a few maintenance programs on your computer is a strong sign that you’re a hacker. It’s all in PACER.
      
      - Funny that you should bring up parking tickets, because even that has a higher burden of proof and required evidence than “IP = person”.
      
      - It’s a scam of a campaign, ever since they began ranting that home taping was killing music. Every year, Mitch Bainwol and Chris Dodd get paid bonuses in increasing amounts. Only an idiot or a cocksucker would still think that the industry is dying on its knees.
    - Guest
      
      “DRM: Blame piracy. There would be no need if there wasn’t any piracy. Go beat up your pirate friends, they created the need”
      
      Here’s a link with an enlightening discussion on the REAL reason for DRM–which has nothing to do with piracy.
      
      https://plus.google.com/107429617152575897589/posts/iPmatxBYuj2
      
      (Well, enlightening for everyone except bobmail, I guess)
    - Pierat
      
      he is just like the entertainment industry’s. all he does is just spread nothing but a bunch of filth and lies around.
    - Guest
      
      “he is just like the entertainment industry’s.”
      
      He is worse. They edit their press releases. He literally responded to a punished innocent by saying “yeah, but somebody else did the alleged crime, so …” Not a strong argument, Boob.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Actually, we have a number of the official mouthpieces on record making the same claims.
      
      Hard to edit press releases when they all, much like Baghdad Bob here constantly seem to feel the power of copyright compelling them to violently void their bowels the very second they’re reminded that people can copy media files.
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      Piracy…. blame DRM
      
      Taxation: everyone, even the jobless pay tax, my neighbor (from under the bridge hehe) is jobless and paid to much tax, he got actually half of it back.
      
      Public performance fees: are paid to the collection agencies to pay their salaries and pay the lawsuits to keep their salaries growing..nothing goes to any artist.
      
      Allegations: all P2P users are pirates… wrong. My tinfoil hat works perfectly,
      
      You go on, but bobby, the foul you see, is in the mirror, and trust me… that behind you is another mirror, you can only see yourself into infinity.
      
      Parking tickets are funded by the same tickets, they are private companies in most places now.
      
      Taxation is funding cops that confiscate laptops of 9 year olds, or bust in my door because I videotaped my own kids playing and swimming in the lake without a bathing suit…(for their own reference and fun, later when they are old)
      
      Or busting the wrong guy after a public assault and upon verbally corrected and addressing the error by the victim, the victim (women) gets picked up for assaulting an officer. There goes the tax dollar.
      
      You obviously lost the plot when you were born…..hehe
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      - DRM: Blame piracy. There would be no need if there wasn’t any
      piracy. Go beat up your pirate friends, they created the need. Hey, you earned your beating, woman. Next time, don’t be uppity.
      
      Fixed. Let me know when you can wrap your head around the fact that if you try to fuck other people up because someone fucked you up, then you are to blame for you fucking someone up. No one else.
      
      Next time try not to copy the cosa nostra’s ethical rules quite so closely, hmm?
      
      Taxation: Umm, wow. You are reaching here. How much do you think you got taxed last year to support IP? Since I doubt you have a job, I am
      guessing “nothing”.
      
      Leaving 300 million americans with jobs who DID get taxed instead, leaving your argument irrelevant, as usual. Assuming “Guest” is indeed unemployed.
      
      – Bobmail logic: Guest is contradicting me with facts. He must be unemployed.
      
      More Bobmail logic: And he must be called “Mary”.
      
      Public Performance fees are paid to collection groups, who pay the artists after having taken their 70% cut in order to pay their own salaries, lawyers, and lobbying efforts.
      
      Fixed. Public performance fees in sweden are deliciously transparent. Turn out not much of the collected revenue ever hits artists.
      
      Allegations: Take off your tin foil hat, you will feel better…
      
      Strange. When someone tells Guest having open-source software on his comp means he must be a pirate and a thief, you call him a tinfoil hat. Apparently for hearing the message publicly announced by the BSA, Microsoft and SCO.
      
      You could go on, but you would be just making a bigger fool of yourself.
      
      Bobmail logic: If I call Guest a fool that’ll change reality so what he says won’t be true anymore.
      
      More Bobmail logic…and then I can call him “Mary”. Genius!
      
      None of the things you listed are punishment (outside of DRM, and you know who to blame for it). The rest is the normal day to day of your
      life. Imagine how much of your taxation goes into funding the cops who write those f—king parking tickets! Oh, the humanity!
      
      Except that most people would find it VERY ODD if the meter maids were suddenly budgeted ten times as much as the homicide squad of the FBI.
      
      And made house calls, demanding to see proof that you had a valid ticket for every place you parked your car, which is a better metaphor for the sort of “accountability” going on.
      
      And if the meter maid could decide to go to your house and wheel clamp your car for two weeks everytime some anonymous bastard decided to insist your car had been illegally parked somewhere, without delivering proof (DMCA).
      
      Everything not actually wrong is simply an ad hominem or an attempt at marginalization. Remarkable.
    - bobmail
      
      “Hey, you earned your beating, woman. Next time, don’t be uppity.”
      
      Your attitude and restatement of my opinion is very wrong, and I hope the moderators on this site kill it off. Quite simply, that is not something I would ever say.
      
      please, quite simply STOP TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. You are very wrong, and bordering on libel / slander at this point. I abhor violence in any form.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      ” I abhor violence in any form.”
      
      That’s a bit of a laugh, given how you’ve gleefully defended any amount of penalties and punishments whenever it happened in the name of holy copyright.
      
      “Your attitude and restatement of my opinion is very wrong,”
      
      Really? I was mistaken? Did you not just use the wifebeater argument of “You forced me to do this”?
      
      Yes, you did indeed.
      
      “please, quite simply STOP TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. You are very wrong, and bordering on libel / slander at this point.”
      
      Not when I can point at your arguments and show direct parallells to soviet commissars and speeches made by Goebbels, I’m not. I think we’ll find much of your clumsy sophistry has deep, dark roots.
      
      Especially when the argument pertains to such petty details as “burden of proof” and similar basic phenomena you seem to abhor even more than simple violence.
      
      You don’t want your moral relativity exposed? Fine, don’t use moral relativity. As it is, we simply have to add “hypocrisy” to your ever-longer list of demonstrated personal deficiencies.
    - Guest
      
      “DRM: Blame piracy. There would be no need if there wasn’t any piracy.”
      
      lol, DRM does jack shit to stop piracy. It may have been an attempt to do that originally, but today DRM is about stopping games from being sold on the second hand market more than anything else.
      
      “The alternative would be each artist having to invoice each venue for each performance”
      
      No, the alternative would be to not have pieces of human garbage going around charging people for singing Happy Birthday, you psychopath.
    - Guest
      
      Sorry, I shouldn’t have said games. Because it’s more like software in general.
    - Guest
      
      “How can anyone punish you for not breaking the law?”
      
      Six Strikes
    - Foff
      
      There is no right to drinking water so stop drinking water mf and leave for those who deserve it
    - Typhoid Mary
      
      Just having a garage would be a step up for you Bob.
      
      You just got curtains around your bed and your own TV. One thing at a time killer.
    - Lord of the Files
      
      If you can’t afford groceries, live without it!
      
      If you can’t afford a roof over your head, live without it!
      
      If you can’t afford health care, live without it!
      
      If you can’t afford an education, live without it!
      
      If you can’t afford culture, live without it!
      
      No wonder the world is so screwed up, with greedy “twats” like bobmail and his fellow cronies whom obviously only care about enriching themselves at the expense of everyone else, including the artists they pretend to support. No doubt they would even outlaw libraries if they could, so deep is their greed.
      
      How much money will you make from me if I “live without it”? How much profit will you make from me if I download it for free? If I live without it, does it not follow that I cannot recommend it to others whom do have money and may be more than willing to pay?
      
      Copyright is a feeble attempt to control others, and like all such attempts will always be doomed to fail. This is a fact. This is reality. Stop deluding yourselves into thinking you’ll ever have any kind of control, wasting endless amounts of money chasing your pipe dream, and just adapt already.
    - Guest
      
      The better analogy would be: if you’re blind, you can’t do anything that would otherwise require sight to perform, because you would be a filthy sight pirate.
    - bobmail
      
      “If you can’t afford groceries, live without it!
      
      If you can’t afford a roof over your head, live without it!
      
      If you can’t afford health care, live without it!
      
      If you can’t afford an education, live without it!”
      
      You got 4 out of 5 there… Each of those things are key to survival and moving forward, so the state in most cases will help those less fortunate to be able to obtain some of all of those things. In the western world, you almost cannot be homeless unless you want to be or are so incredibly anti-social that you can’t handle to deal with the government at any level.
      
      However, “culture” is slippery. It’s why the governments in most places mandate and control the “public airwaves” so that people can get “culture” and entertainment with no costs to them (beyond the equipment to receive it).
      
      There is no need or requirement for people to be provided with unlimited access to top rate movies. Heck, if they can afford the internet connection to allow them to download, they already have access to huge amounts of entertainment for free – anything from youtube and college humor to hulu or the like. They don’t have to break the law to get it.
      
      So your arguments are weak, because you are seemingly not able to separate out the need from the want.
      
      “How much money will you make from me if I “live without it”?
      
      Well, this is a great question, let’s try to answer it. If instead of pirating a movie you instead watch broadcast TV, you help to support the show by watching the ads (or at least putting up with them). If you went to hulu and watched it there, same story. If you rented it from redbox or put it in your nexflix queue, the same thing occurs. If you sit there like a moron for two hours and stare at the wall, the bare minimum is that you didn’t help to peer a pirated file, which would help a little event.
      
      If piracy stopped tomorrow, you would still be a consumer, you would just use legal services and sources. You wouldn’t just shut off for hours at a time and do nothing.
      
      I know also you wouldn’t recommend it to anyone – you would just give them a copy for free. All of your actions are negative, there is little positive to be extracted here – and if you REALLY wanted it, you would save your money and get it, or get it for your birthday as a present, or whatever.
      
      Oh and “adapt” would mean the end of the content sources we all know and enjoy today. Already network (and cable) television are facing issues related to dropping first run viewership, as more people pirate the stuff, skipping and removing all of the ways by which the content is paid for. It’s a slow circling decline which left uncorrected will have all of you crying, as the stuff you fight to pirate disappears as your success rates go up. Self-defeating actions at their very finest.
    - Guest
      
      Copyright infringement is the only avenue for a poor person to get a good education, bob.
      
      You conveniently left out that part.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      However, “culture” is slippery.
      
      Except that too is covered under the UN human rights articles.
      
      So no, it’s been deemed an essential just like the others.
    - n_mailer
      
      “However, “culture” is slippery.”
      
      The right to free speech is not slippery. Calling it “entertainment” or singling out “top rated” is a dodge nobody buys. It will not stand for 5 seconds in any real court. The laws apply to popular as well as unpopular speech.
      
      Giving someone a copy for free is legal. Again, you do not know the law.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Free speech, yes.
      
      But the real clincher is article 27.
      
      At which point clause 1 and 2 decidedly state everyone has the right partake freely of culture as long as the creator’s moral and commercial rights are respected.
      
      Neither of which applies to making personal copies of media, and interestingly enough, no statute states this privilege given tha creator is dispositive.
      
      Meaning “copyright” has no basis at all to stand on.
    - Ardvaark
      
      However, “culture” is slippery. It’s why the governments in most places
      mandate and control the “public airwaves” so that people can get
      “culture” and entertainment with no costs to them (beyond the equipment
      to receive it).
      
      False! The spectrum is regulated because it’s very limited, so you have to ensure that each service uses a specific spectrum so that company A’s devices don’t interfere with company B’s new devices. Thats why airwave TV was replaced. Because it was useless whate of resources that could be used for 4G.
      
      The regulation is only to prevent services from interfering with eachother.
    - puddipuddi
      
      “can’t afford culture, live without it.”
      
      You are not understanding this. If I can’t afford it, you don’t get the money no matter what. So whether I download it or not, you are not getting money. There is no “saving” like you say. I’m broke as shit. I don’t even have internet, I downloaded your shitty movie from starbucks wifi. Fuck you, I’m a fucking poor college student that needed a laugh. If I didn’t pirate my $500 a piece college books I wouldn’t even have an education. Look at what you are doing to us with your copyright… just let us buy used books you piece of shit bobmail…
    - downunder
      
      finally someone gets its.. sad world of me me’s as I said above.. perhaps one day someone will do a great thing and knock bob on the head and eat him cos they didnt want to go with out and starve :)
    - downunder
      
      what a fookwitt…a) I dont have any of his movies.. but I make is easier for the laybrain to understand. what Im saying is wee man knows the few that took it dont hurt him in fact he gains more from it as more fans and word of mouth and the people who want to support him will buy it. its like saying fook the starving in africa its their fault for being born.. blame the parents who dont know how to wear a rubber.(not my view just making a point of some things the rich countries and rich people like bob come out with). you can always be over critical and evil in the greed of money and apply it to everything world wide.. im sure if the world came ot the end the poor man who has to go hunting and survive on little earnings for food will outlast a rich fook who wouldnt even know how to start a fire to survive perhaps he can burn some of those 100 dollars bills. again if you cant afford food go without mentally.. or should the rich help out ? it swings both ways. its not all black and white.. artist should be happy their work is being enjoyed across the board and not just pamper to the richer folks
    - Deep Blue
      
      If you could replicate your own Ferrari, would the be equally wrong to actually stealing one?
      
      I wonder why people confuse making a new copy with stealing.
    - Guest
      
      “I wonder why people confuse making a new copy with stealing.”
      
      With the owner’s permission .. don’t forget, that’s the most important part.
      
      It is legal and moral in every way to give someone your Ferrari without the permission of Ferrari .. or let them photograph it, or take it apart, or replicate the parts. In fact it’s none of Ferrari’s damn business.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      And only one small industry even tries to claim differently.
      
      The very second they run out of starlets to hang at the arms of aged politicians I suspect copyright will collapse like a house of cards.
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      Hey bobby, I guess this was the only post of your which was slightly worth responding on (the rest was not funny enough even they are untrue hehe)
      
      I can afford a garage full of Ferraris, I do without … they drive awfully bad (comfort) and with every bump in the road you lose a piece of plastic :D
      
      When I fly economy (seldom) and all first class places are empty, I go sit there after politely asking the flight attendant, they never seem to be able to resist my charming smile and argumentation.
      
      In our constitution there is the phrase that one has the right to freely receive information… I will not bore everyone with the exact text… but it comes down to the fact that downloading whatever is offered on the internet is allowed and legal, even if the source is supposedly illegal.
      
      Now internet acces becomes free too (in several countries) and is seen as a basic right.
      
      I will give you an example, all hypothectical:
      
      I am poor and have an old laptop I found at the junkjard, I made it work with an old car battery and some other recycled electronic parts and a solar panel. I connect to one of the free (and more a being installed as we write here) WIFI hotspots near my carton box under the bridge and Download whatever is offered on the internet hence this is legal where I live….. so…..I have the right on all those things and to use them… so I have the right to entertainment of my choice delivered truly free even I can not afford to buy the entertainment (which is not needed now).
      
      I you cannot afford it, get it for free! it is legal..
      
      hehe
    - Guest
      
      “if you can’t afford it, live without it”
      
      BAHAHAHAHAHA
      
      No.
      
      ” I don’t just go to the dealer and take one”
      
      Okay, now to make that analogy relevant to filesharing, would you go to the dealer and replicate a Ferrari at no loss to anyone?
      
      it’s only available for free because someone is breaking the law and not respecting the rights of others.
      
      It’s available for free because somebody chose to exercise their property rights. It’s breaking the law because the copyright mafia bribed legislators to deny people of their property rights.
      
      “Compel scrutiny, more law and law enforcement.”
      
      Compel more irrlevent scrutiny, more ineffective laws, and more impotent enforcement? Oh shit. I’m shaking in my boots, here.
      
      If I keep pirating then the MAFIAA and the government will fail even harder to stop me, guys! S… Save me!
      
      “Get caught with “available for free” and take it up the ass like Rassert and Tenenbaum.”
      
      Number of people who’ve taken it up the ass like Rassert and Tenenbaum out of hundreds of millions of filesharers: 2. Rassert and Tenenbaum.
      
      Call me crazy, but somehow I feel safe with those odds.
      
      brb, pirating with impunity
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Shush. You are quoting facts at bobmail. You know what that does to the poor sod.
    - n_mailer
      
      ” I don’t just go to the dealer and take one”
      
      What if the dealer offers you one for free? Do you check with the rightsholder first?
      
      “There is no right in any constitution or charter of rights that grants you the “right to entertainment of your choice, delivered free if you cannot afford it”.
      
      False again, Boob. Many, many charters contain a statement about freedom of speech, which implies the right to hear speech. Calling speech “entertainment” and asserting a government-enforced right to be paid when someone hears it is an end run around that basic right.
    - bobmail
      
      The right to speech, yes, but not the right to someone else’s speech.
      
      You fuckwits generally don’t seem to understand the difference. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean a freedom to take everyone else’s words as your own.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      “yes, but not the right to someone else’s speech.”
      
      In short what you are saying is that we are not allowed to pass someone else’s words along. Mothers may not read fairy tales to their children anymore, and every movie quote is infringement.
      
      bobmail, did your claimed “MBA” include propaganda sessions, autohypnosis exercises and long sermons on how to convert the heathens?
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Article 27, n_mailer….”everyone has a right to freely partake of culture”.
      
      At this point the copyright sect usually comes out trying to misquote clause 2 of said article to place it in direct conflict with clause 1, but that’s to be expected…
    - Ardvaark
      
      Oh my god you’re using bold!
      
      No! don’t succumb to the bold corruption! Remember your own words!
      
      Using bold only makes you sound louder and an annoying twat
      
      But seriously you’re under the false impression that piracy is equal to taking. That’s wrong. It’s the very opposite of stealing. Actually someone had to buy the original.
      
      What you’re suggesting is blatant stealing, and incomparable with piracy.
      
      For someone with an MBA you sure as hell don’t understand such simple thing, c’mon how much did you pay for it? Oh don’t tell me you paid with your mouth, or worse… oh well…
http://www.facebook.com/people/Ender-Wiggin/100000885624281 Ender Wiggin

never heard of any of those movies. Still not going to watch them, but i think i’ll seed them for a bit.
- UraPhake
  
  Shit, I’m glad you said something. I thought I was the only one who never heard of any of them — it almost made me wonder if I might be suffering from dementia.
  
  Thank you!
- Guest321
  
  Just look at the ratings of those movies. I am surprised people even then download this shit.
Guest

If more studios are hopping on the bandwagon I sure hope they request for services from Prenda – the most renowned glorious defenders of copyright as endorsed by bobmail, Anon, PelouzeTF and Nejtillpirater.
Guest

>because they believe movie producers and the big stars are already wealthy, forgetting the lower wage employees.

This can be easily solved by paying actors less stupid figures.

Look at the cast of Friends. They were earning $1,000,000/episode in the final season. Now times that by 18…

Doctors do a far harder job than actors and they don’t get the same paychecks.
- Wpgsweet
  
  Don’t forget the rest of the healthcare team, working in the background even harder, and getting paid even less, with no recognition.
- Guest321
  
  Forget about TV show actors, consider how much Hollywood movie actors earn. $20-70 million for A-list actors and $1-20 million for B-list and C-list actors. Do you honestly think that kind of money is justified for the work they do? There are many important & critical professions that don’t pay that kind of money in a lifetime.
  
  The ridiculous salaries of actors, directors, producers and execs are the reason why it costs $200 mills and beyond to make a movie. Then they have the nerve of saying that because of us sharers low wage employees are suffering. Might as well shoot these fuckers.
  - tsunku
    
    in reality actors do not make that much because the contract clearly says that will only be paid after net earnings and the studio makes sure the movie earns nothing with advanced hollywood accounting tricks, so that even tho the movie brought in 7 billion in the box office, the studio can show the movie made 0 profit net. smart actors work hard to get a contract so they get paid out of gross profit but that is very hard to get because the studio really doesn’t want to pay anyone, not even investors in the movie. they want to keep all the cash for themselves and blame piracy for it. the true pirates are the execs of the studios not ppl who freely share movies. that’s why execs drive expensive cars and live in expensive mansions and file sharers typically are driving a 20 yr old car if any at all. usually renting and barely able to do that.
    - riii
      
      you learn something every day.
    - bobmail
      
      You learn not much, because most of that post isn’t accurate. Almost every actor / actress on TV gets paid a rate per episode flat, plus residuals (which vary) and all sorts of other things. They are rarely on pure profit / net, that would be silly. That would be like working your job at McDonalds and only getting paid out of the profits per day on the store.
      
      Almost all of them have some sort of variable based on ratings or performance, but that is different.
      
      There are a few exceptional cases (such as Star Wars) where certain actors decides to forgo up front money (salary) and instead took points – but took the wrong points, in a system that rarely shows net money.
      
      That is however a very, very rare case, as almost all actors in any major production are generally paid up front.
      
      Execs drive expensive cars because they produce products that people pay millions of dollars to see. File sharers give stuff away or think they are doing great making a few cents a download, and thus drive 20 year old cars.
      
      It’s the difference from making something of yourself and just leeching.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      “It’s the difference from making something of yourself and just leeching.”
      
      Bobmail logic: It’s evil to be poor. Poor people are bad.
      More bobmail logic:I think filesharers are evil. And called “Mary”.
      Bobmail conclusion:Filesharers must all be poor. They live in the mythical place “Mom’s basement”. And they’re all called “Mary”!
bobmail

Perhaps them “wee man” can give back his “wee salary” because he doesn’t like the contract he signed to make the “wee movie”.

I have little sympathy for someone who takes the money and then complains about how he is getting paid.
- Pierat
  
  “I have little sympathy for someone who takes the money and then complains about how he is getting paid”
  
  sounds just like the MPAA. they take our money and then bitch about how there NOT making any do to piracy even tho they are making billions.
  - bobmail
    
    Not even close. Talk about trying too hard to make a slam.
    - Pierat
      
      YEP its almost to close.
    - Typhoid Mary
      
      And that’s my cue. Hello sweetie. All nice and dry with fresh diapers on?
      
      You have to remember silly that the majority of us have to take care of ourselves. That means we work for a living.
      
      Remember our lesson about State Funded Mental Health Care and how the tax payers pay for all your treatments and the reason you were Institutionalized?
      
      Silly boy. I know its hard to remember such complexities when your painting “I hate pirates” over and over again in your room with your own shit.
    - bobmail
      
      *shakes head*
      
      What a nice reflection of the community here. You are the class of the place.
    - ScrewEwe2
      
      And you are the “ass” of the place.
    - Typhoid Mary
      
      That was a quick edit. I got the full version before you changed it. You should have left it the way it was.
      
      You really should not judge all the good people here because of me.
      
      If you want to insult me, then insult me. And at least try and make it funny. I love funny insults.
    - bobmail
      
      Every time you get an upvote, I lower the level of the average IQ in this place by a few points. Only true idiots could be entertained by you.
    - Typhoid Mary
      
      Wow, so I guess your saying you have to pay attention to everything I say? You would have to otherwise you might miss subtracting some points.
      How much do we have left? I love all this attention from you.
    - bobmail
      
      You know, over time, your posts sort of sounds like a mosquito near my eye… buzzing, moving around, and easily swatted away.
      
      I love how you are doing a find job of destroying TF.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Oh, TF survived you so no problem there.
      
      Or does your scripture predict the hand of holy copyright shall come down from on high to smite the server with kernel panic on behalf of the sins of the one called “Mary”?
    - markh
      
      We are idiots because we listen to your stupid remarks twit
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      That puts you in a very bad position, bobmail, since your usual comment is casually dissected by the normal TF crowd quite easily.
      
      Most of us don’t find that hard to do since your average comment on any subject relies on reality altering itself to accommodate you.
      
      If that makes the average TF’er an idiot, where does that leave you?
    - Guest
      
      You know what’s the nicest reflection of the community here? It’s not comments like these, bobmail, that call you out for being an ass. Anyone can do that. But the true upvote goes into posts of the best ever insight, like this one.
      
      http://torrentfreak.com/angry-judge-tears-prenda-copyright-trolls-apart-130312/#comment-826709852
      
      True insight is when everyone is enlightened over exactly what’s going on. But as evidenced in that thread you don’t know insight or wisdom when you see it. The average person knows truth and common sense which is something you’re clearly desperate to avoid.
    - bobmail
      
      Strange, as the comments I posted in that thread agreed that the Prenda guys are idiots – I just didn’t like the judge playing heavy handed and ordering people who were not specifically party to the situation to come to court on extremely short notice with no explanation and no time to prepare a defense if they were being charged with something.
      
      It’s people like you trying to paint me into a corner, suggesting that the Prenda guys are my heros (when they are not, they are idiots who fucked it up for everyone else).
      
      Why do you still go on like I am not getting it? It seems you guys aren’t getting it and not reading anything I am saying.
    - Guest
      
      See, what you’re not getting is that the judge is not heavy-handed. Gibbs has been portraying himself as a stooge who was just following orders. Prenda has gone on to remove the judge on claims that he was anti-copyright. Claiming that Prenda is “not specifically party” is nonsense.
      
      As for painting you into a corner, if this is how you feel – well, it’s honestly nobody’s business. You insist that we’re all pirates, and any oversteps or laws that catch so many innocents in their dragnet are our fault. The boot’s on the other foot now, and you can enjoy having copyright enforcement being associated with the sleaze that is Andrew Crossley, Evan Stone and John Steele.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Strange, as the comments I posted in that thread agreed that the Prenda guys are idiots.
      
      Except for the post you previously made calling them righteous defenders of justice, you mean?
      
      The problem, bobmail, about your own low self being an incurable asshat seems to be that you flip-flop on your argumentation depending on which way might make you look credible at the moment.
      
      And it won’t work since many of us have very good memories for the posts where you claimed the exact opposite of what you currently say. Call it a side effect of debugging code and scripts.
      
      It’s perfectly obvious from your concacenated commentary that the big beef you have with Prenda is that they got caught. Because you’ve been defending these assclowns, their associates, and their business model from the get-go.
      
      It’s people like you trying to paint me into a corner, suggesting that the Prenda guys are my heros…
      
      No, bobmail, you did that yourself. Very thoroughly. no use in getting pissed at us for the various comments you’ve made in the past, obviously with as little thought as that one.
      
      Why do you still go on like I am not getting it? It seems you guys aren’t getting it and not reading anything I am saying.
      
      Oh, we read what you’re saying. we just happen to notice reality usually begs to differ with you.
    - bobmail
      
      “Except for the post you previously made calling them righteous defenders of justice, you mean?”
      
      Liar.
      
      I made no such post. That’s Mary posting in my name, it would appear. I would never say that, they are dirtbag lawyers who are fucking the system up for everyone, including rights holders.
      
      I don’t think they are righteous at all, the are bottom feeders, making ambulance chasers look classy.
      
      So can you stop trying to point to a post that someone else made in my name (the content of which is totally out of my character, sorry!) and using it to club me over the head again ang again? It makes me think you may have written it, you are so desperate to keep pointing it out (yet you still having providing a link to it that works… how odd!)
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      “That’s Mary posting in my name, it would appear.”
      
      This “Mary” of yours is everywhere. Apparently it’s me, Guest, Aardvark, god only knows who else…and now “Mary” = bobmail?
      
      Bobmail logic:Anyone who disagrees with me must be “Mary”.
      
      More bobmail logic:Bobmail disagrees with me. So does everyone else
      
      Bobmail conclusionI’m “Mary”! As is everyone else”
      
      I would never say that, they are dirtbag lawyers who are fucking the system up for everyone, including rights holders…
      
      You’ve been very consistent in defending Prenda’s business model, model of attack, and the various companies applying identical methods to Prenda.
      
      All the time bashing any judge who dared to question the IP-based mass extortion system…
      
      So can you stop trying to point to a post that someone else made in my name (the content of which is totally out of my character, sorry!) and using it to club me over the head again ang again?
      
      …so if we are to accept this particular post by you claiming that defense and glorification of such systems and methods as Prenda iconizes is against your “nature” then we are left with the conclusion that this “Mary” of yours is 95% of the “bobmail” we see commenting around here over the last half year or so.
      
      It makes me think you may have written it, you are so desperate to keep pointing it out…
      
      Oh, you’re back to claiming that I’m “Mary” again.
      
      Bobmail logic:I think Scary Devil Monastery is “Mary”. Just like everyone else.
      
      More Bobmail logic:“Mary” must be “bobmail”.
      
      Bobmail conclusion:I’M Scary Devil Monastery. Now I can call him “Mary”!
      
      Well, bobmail, like I keep saying, it’s a real shame you aren’t being paid for this. You could probably do well plying the Vegas streets with a pair of clown shoes.
    - Guest
      
      Not even close?
      
      Hahahahahaha, that bullshit is especially shameless, even for you. The MPAA is constantly whining about piracy and all the imaginary damage it causes while the movie industry posts record breaking profits.
      
      Hell, here it is whining that Hollywood isn’t making enough back in September 2012: http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/mpaa-sends-out-hollywood-talking-points-to-candidates-chris-dodd-sopa-pipa-democrats-republicans-convention-election/
      
      And here are record breaking box-office numbers for 2012: http://www.the-numbers.com/market/2012/summary
      
      So what Pierat said was 100% correct, and you’re just lying through your sad little teeth.
- Anyone
  
  you say that as if he will see a cent from those trolls
  
  those bottom-feeding leeches only enrich themselves, they claim to do it in the name of the artist, but all those artists are getting is bad publicity
- Typhoid Mary
  
  Empathy is usually absent in the Mentally challenged.
- Proud Pirate
  
  Hey bobmail, typhoid: you’re both idiots. Please stop talking.
  
  Meanwhile, another indie ended up on my boycott list. Seems like I’ll be seeding that movie for a while. You know, ‘stealing’. And damn proud of it.
  
  Also plan to make some free wallpapers in honour of the heroes from The Pirate Bay. :)
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  “I have little sympathy for someone who takes the money and then complains about how he is getting paid.”
  
  Ah, you mean “ethics” are unsympathetic to you?
  
  Who knew?
duck

I’ve never er heard of any of these movies.
photocopier

Some of these companies exec’s and their lawyers have rat intested house and might have to be torched in order to keep our children from getting diseases. Remember to always protect our children.
FenkZenk

Wee Man is jsut cool like that! Id give anything to spend a day skating with him!

puter-anon.tk
Dude

Looks like the tweet is gone.
- Zumzum
  
  My gawd… first it was the thrill, now it’s the tweet… what next, the love?
Deep Blue

How could this possibly increase revenue?
ScrewEwe2

” Zambezia, The Ledge,Division III: Football’s Finest, Maximum Conviction, Night of the Templar After the Wizard,6 Degrees of Hell, The Divide, and Evidence.”

I think they have to do these copyright troll lawsuits, because they’ll never make any money from anyone buying these crap movies.
- VPN
  
  I am really liking ‘VPN GATE’. I am being gentile. Not pounding too hard on the good folks (volunteers) that are forming the most awesome ‘light-net’ imaginable. Anybody becomes everybody. An IP =/= a person. An IP = ‘any person’. Become a VPN. Join VPNGATE now! FREEDOM!
  - ScrewEwe2
    
    “gentile”. Adjective: Belonging to or characteristic of non-Jewish peoples. I don’t think anyone around here cares if you’re Jewish or not Bob.
    - VPN
      
      Gentile … Of or relating to a gens, tribe, or people.
      I’m not a troll. I am a user. If eveyone becomes a ‘node’ then the world becomes free. This is good. Yes?
    - ScrewEwe2
      
      When I replied to you, Disqus was displaying your user name as “bobmail”. As to why that was the case?
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Disqus keeps playing that trick. I usually refresh the browser once or twice when I notice numerous new entries just to make sure.
      
      As to why that is the case, I think Disqus updates the newt message content faster than it does the header allocation. Generating an unfortunate (but apparently temporary) name displacement.
    - ScrewEwe2
      
      It’s damn frustrating.
ndmushroom

Who are these movies? I’ve never heard of them. Which makes me wander: after the “straight to DVD” category, normally reserved for B-grade movies, are we now witnessing the creation of a new category for C-grade ones, called “straight to lawsuit”? Or is this just the last resort of producers desperately seeking to salvage as money as possible from a flop?
- Guest
  
  http://torrentlawyer.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/the-divide-new-copyright-trolls/
  
  It’s worth checking out Rob Cashman’s take on all this. It seems that some nobody studios are seeking to cash in on Prenda-based tactics.
  
  Of course, this is precisely why bobmail’s rants of “do without” make absolutely no sense. When people do without or the product simply isn’t worth watching, the low sales are used as justification for more reckless antipiracy enforcement. Thankfully, we all know that in order to do so more laws are broken, so judges can nip these foolish initiatives in the bud.
splatt

I would like to thank bobmail. I wasn’t planning on “stealing” anything tonight. But your ignorance has inspired me.

I’m going to download a movie and watch it before I go to bed. I don’t do that often enough.

This one is for you, you crazy little freak. In a way, you are directly responsible for “copyright infringement” tonight.

Chew on that.
- Wallace
  
  “I wasn’t planning on “stealing” anything tonight. But your ignorance has inspired me.”
  
  Clearly it has not, since you have not planned to steal anything or even offend anyone.
  
  You are only planning to copy something with the owner’s permission, which in the real world is not an action worthy of notice, much less censure.
  
  I guess if you seed it too, that may or may not be a minor act of “copyright infringement,” and I hope you respect a cease and desist if one is sent to you.
  - Anon
    
    Notice the quotes around “stealing”.
beauxq

Big actors could have a big effect on this if they wanted to. They could just say “I’m not signing the contract unless it says you won’t sue file sharers.”
JordanKratz

Bunch of films to download on my secure VPN ! Thanks for the list of films.I will download more and more MAFIAA Films just for the fuck of it.
I have been downloading stuff I would not even watch just to seed a little and just for laughs.
Think I will Smoke me up some more Chem Valley Kush and download some bad stupid Pop Tart………….then I will seed and Delete to Trash Bin.
Fuck Off MAFIAA !
Tombombo

I bet nobody would ever have known this movie if it hadn’t been pirated. Idiots.
numnnuts

Given that there are only seven stories or plots that all others are based on, that means all copyright is invalidated by prior ownership.
Sod ‘em all!
appleaction

lol weeman……..
Pelham123

I wonder if this has something to do with Six Strikes .. maybe the big ISPs won’t pass along cease and desists from smaller guys anymore, so lawsuits are their only option to even get people’s attention.

I heard that there was a flurry of cease and desists sent out for porn movies right before Six Strikes went into effect. Makes sense if that was their last chance.
JG

“[...] forgetting the lower wage employees.”

You mean the camera, sound, and lights operators, makeup people, gophers, best boys, grips, etc who are paid a predefined hourly rate, regardless of how well the movie does in theaters or DVD sales (and very likely will have their final pay check cashed long before the movie in question is released (either in theater or leaked online))… How exactly are they affected by the fact I download a movie instead of seeing it in theaters? They don’t get any percentage of the box office revenue… They just get their $7.50/hr (or whatever min. wage is now) and that’s it…
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=534530766 Paul Niziol

Corporations always cry for the artists and low pay employees, but its all BS. They are just using the courts as another form of revenue.
billionaire billy

well, i guess this is one way to make a profit from a shitty movie
CLL

I used to love reading comments on this site until over half of them became a boring bobmail vs. everyone else wankfest with both sides debating the same crap that they debate in the comments section of most current TF articles.
fortuzero

Why does Bobmail spend so much time arguing on here? Does he really care that much about this shit? There’s a whole world outside!
notajackassfan

the movie sucked anyways
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