All Major Canadian ISPs Slow Down P2P Traffic
Written by Ernesto on January 20, 2009Net neutrality really is the hot topic at the moment. After the FCC slapped Comcast for slowing down BitTorrent users, Canada is now looking into the network management practices of its ISPs. And rightly so, as a CRTC investigation reveals that most of the ISPs in Canada actively slow down customers using P2P applications.
Ignited by the Comcast fiasco in the US, the concept of net neutrality has certainly been brought into the mainstream. ISPs are rarely transparent when it comes to their throttling, capping and otherwise interfering behavior, but in Canada they had to come clean due to a CRTC investigation.
The Canadian Radio, Television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) is currently looking into the traffic management practices of Canadian ISPs, which came to a head as a result of a dispute between CAIP, and its wholesale provider, Bell. The core objectives of the investigation are to examine the Internet traffic management practices being used, and check that they are in accordance with the Telecommunications Act.
The CRTC is looking at the effects of filtering on both regular customers and wholesalers, and the results of the first round of questions are just in. Even though some of the responses are filed in confidence (summarized by Chris Parsons), there is enough information to conclude that all major ISPs slow down customers, with most specifically targeting peer-to-peer traffic.
In their response to the CRTC investigation, Bell, Cogeco, Rogers and Eastlink all admit to slow down P2P traffic, arguing that it negatively affects network performance. Shaw, one of the other big players, admitted that customers are slowed down, but most of its responses were filed in confidence and P2P was not specifically mentioned.
Bell was more open about its practices, and admits using deep packet inspection (DPI) to throttle its individual customers and wholesalers. On Bell Wireline, P2P traffic is slowed down between 4.30 PM and 2 AM. To cope with the increasing bandwidth demands of its customers, they further plan to disconnect heavy users and introduce metered plans where customers pay for the bandwidth they use.
Cogeco started to throttle P2P users back in 2001, when they were only using a tiny fraction of what they do now. However, it was seen as necessary because of the increasing load these users put on the network. Like other ISPs, Cogeco considered other options such as metered plans, but these would not solve the network ‘abuse’ by P2P users. Furthermore, the ongoing battle with P2P users who strive to evade their management solutions led the ISP to use deep packet inspection (DPI) as well.
Rogers claims it has to throttle P2P users to prevent their network from becoming “the world’s buffet,” as they like to call it. Not only does this affect their network, their bandwidth bills also increased due to the growing popularity of BitTorrent and other filesharing networks. Similar to Bell and Cogeco, Rogers is also known to use DPI. Upstream P2P traffic is slowed down across their entire network, regardless of congestion,
Shaw filed most of its answers in confidence, but provided a rather paradoxical statement which clearly shows that they slow down upstream traffic. “The traffic management technologies have reduced the rate of upstream consumption to a more manageable rate,” they write, claiming that this allows their customers to reach their full contract speeds. Similar to the other ISPs Shaw is predicting that bandwidth usage will grow, and that traffic shaping is essential to manage their network.
In summary, we can conclude that there is no such thing as net neutrality in Canada. All of the larger ISPs slow down their customers, with most of them specifically targeting P2P traffic through deep packet inspection. Because of this, P2P users can’t enjoy the speeds they were promised, and several legitimate businesses whose income depends on delivering content through BitTorrent or other filesharing networks are unable to compete with those who don’t. It’s now up to the CRTC to draw the right conclusions.
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Telus and teksavvy are like only ISPs here that don't throttle…
teksavvy does because they rent their lines from bell… which means they are throttled. telus i dont know about.
Telus is clean… see http://www.christopher-parsons.com/PublicUpload/S...
"In their response to the CRTC investigation, Bell, Cogeco, Rogers and Eastlink all admit to slow down P2P traffic, arguing that it negatively affects network performance."
Ofcourse it's terribly negative for them that customers use the bandwidth they purchased….
future CRTC public release: "We dont give a flying f**k wat you get for what you pay. Were here for the ISP's not the general public. "
Every single p2p protocol is throttled. Not just 1 or 2 EVERYONE I cant upload higher than 50 kb/s even through FTP, DC++, bit torrent whatever nothing wants to let me upload despite paying 50$ a month. Im currently working on open-source modification of a game and I have to upload between 5-10 gigs of data at a time but cant!! Thank you for enlightening the rest of the world on our current situation in Canada TorrentFreak.
"Upstream P2P traffic is slowed down across their entire network, regardless of congestion,"
Of course, the key is regardless of congestion. It bespeaks idiocy, pure idiocy, simple idiocy, and nothing more than idiocy.
sweet, wtf is going on in the world? all of a sudden its a huge issue dling/p2p/sharing.
i think the govt's of the world are shitting themselves and have decided to take bullshit actions to stop it.
I'm with one of the ISPs that wholesale from Bell. It doesn't matter if it's P2P (or it's cousins) between 4:30PM and 2AM ALL bandwidth in my experience is throttled by Bell.
I really never thought this would happen in my country. I will be leaving Bell to join Teksavvy however, as they have the same service as Bell, but for less money.
I live in Quebec, canada, and can tell you my major ISP : videotron, is not throttling anything and i get my torrents downloaded and uploaded anytime at my full advertised bandwidth speed if there are enough peers. That why I switched from bell. But maybe you haven't heard from them at the CRTC because they might start doing it in the future and do not want scare away customers right now.
All ISPs are whiners with horrible business practices. Of course increased traffic of any type has an effect on network performance but I have 2 points for you wingnuts.
1: Do not sell plans based on speeds that aren't attainable. Any other industry if you advertise something that is false it is illegal. No matter what I use the connection for whether it be P2P, ftp, personal website or just surfing it should not matter. You sell me a 15/1 connection in my case I expect to use it whatever way I see fit. I'm not violating you EULA in anyway so give me what I pay for. You offer a service and I pay a fee for it. All things considered it is a fairly health fee which brings me to the second point.
2: Take some of the profits your making which are substantial and upgrade your infrastructure to handle the extra loads. The need for more bandwidth is only going to increase so lets get our act in gear and and commit to the fact that it is need and get it done. It is unfortunate that you'd rather cut corners and post huge annual profits at the expense of your customers. Why ? .. because in most cases there are few choices for service providers and when folks go looking they choose based on who isn't the worst not who is the best because quite frankly there isn't even close to a best when it come to the product you guys are selling. Strikes me as odd that countries like Sweden, Korea, Japan can have 100/100 home connections but here in Canada I can not. You'd think a G5 nation would be a little further advanced then that.
Here is hoping the CRTC drops the boom on these idiots once and for all.
forgot to say the downside was I had a 100gb/month cap!
Why is false advertising not illegal for this industry?
It is, but you have to sue to get the law applied
Amen!
This is the only reason that i cheat on my private torrent sites.
I would happily upload like a regular user but because of cogeco's restrictions i have to cheat to survive.
I think the underlying problem here is the flatrate fees. They force the ISP:s to limit the power users so they can compete by dumping the prices.
How about pricing models where you pay for what you use – that is, put a price on each upload and download GB, and compete with that price instead. Then suddenly power users become good customers for ISP:s.
Many webhosts and computing / storage server providers use this model, and it seems to work fine there (by contrast, webhosts that have flat monthly fees are in the same conflict situation with poweruser customers as ISPs).
The same companies are screwing us Canadians on mobility too, our cell phone rates are ridiculously high compared to other countries. It goes to show the danger of having so much communication infrastructure tied up in a handful of companies, they pretty much do whatever they want for the bottom line instead of the consumer. They offer the same rate plans and restrictions and laugh at the idea of free market competition lowering rates or offering better service.
We'll see what the CRTC comes up with, but my hopes are not high.
Get a Business account with Videotron, its 79$ per month(txinc) for unlimited downloads/uploads. i cap at 800kb dl and 80to100kb upload speed. and i never got trottled :D
its stupid that now we finally have the content to download from the internet, they decide to put barriers and limits. theyve been promoting speed and storage for years and now that we use it, they want to remove it. Way to go ISPs ! In France they already have fiberoptic and were still stuck with cable and phonelines… huh…
Geez, another fiasco influence by what happens in the US.
As Obama said to some degree "We must cut ourselves from the rest of the world and rebuild what we once were *hinting at imperialism, which is just Genius! * "
"In their response to the CRTC investigation, Bell, Cogeco, Rogers and Eastlink all admit to slow down P2P traffic, arguing that it negatively affects network performance. "
Bullshit. Rogers admits they throttle upstream P2P traffic regardless of congestion, so those fuckers can't even pretend it's about performance. The real reason these ISPs throttle traffic because they want to keep their operating costs as low as possible while enjoying the highest possible profit margin. It has nothing to do with "negatively effecting network performance".
Ever wonder why they refuse to upgrade their infrastructure when it seems like the obvious solution? That's why.
So if you don't like what Bell, Cogeco, Rogers and Eastlink are up to, drop your fucking contracts with them and sign up with an honest ISP. No excuses.
So let me understand this correctly, if I get a plan that allows me 21 Mbps and I actually use it, I will be punnished for using what I pay for? Rediculous.
"So if you don't like what Bell, Cogeco, Rogers and Eastlink are up to, drop your fucking contracts with them and sign up with an honest ISP. No excuses."
It isn't that simple. Bell pretty much owns where I live and is the only ISP that offers service.
Lol.
The sad part is that Bell Canada (incumbent ISP for most of Canada) owns most of the telephone infrastructure. Even sadder is that they are still a Government Corporation and started out as one, meaning that we as tax payers paid for the infrastructure which they refuse to share fairly with the other ISPs.
If an ISP needs to throttle a certain type of traffic, fine – but the infrastructure which is basically tax payer owned should remain neutral ground. That would spark some amazing competition.
Cable is another story as that pretty much goes on a provider-per-city basis.
And whoever said 'France has Fiber to every home' – big deal. Japan has Gigabit to most homes via Fiber.
DOCSIS3 (Cable) if properly setup with 8Mhz Channels can support 340+ Mb/s downstream, and 122 Mb/s Upstream.
Those are huge numbers. Really, Cable companys could be giving way more bandwidth if they have their stuff setup properly, so we arn't that bad off.
Also, ADSL2 is capable of 12+Mbps and that is already widely available across the country, so they have the capacity.
True if you are in the area where bell runs the infrastructure the teksavvy will be throttled but it is bell doing it to the service so they it can take out the only real competition in the area. The fact that the CRTC never mandated any changes to how bell abuses customers of a rival company just goes to show how ez it is to abuse monopoly n duopoly when a regulatory commission never does its job…
Exactly what part have they played in helping so that ISPs dont abuse their power?
The answer is none. Throttling should not be acceptable just because an ISP refuses to use their profits to upgrade their networks. The reason we(and most UISA) have retardly slow speeds and retarded caps compared to other nations around the world is because groups like the CRTC consider their job to look over papers once in a year then take every other day off n collect free money well doing NOTHING.
I saw this after posting here, it is just too bad that Telus only serves internet to a small portion of the country.
In my area (a fairly large city), the few local ISP's just rent their stuff from Cogeco, Rogers, or Bell (which all throttle the crap out of their traffic.
It sucks… my solution is just to seed/leech 24/7 but something has to be done about this. There was an article here a while ago that included a spreadsheet that people in the UK need to compare ISP's… 67 options in one small area, with most of them being relatively obscure and competetive. That is what we need, not this monopoly bullsht.
http://www.teksavvy.com/
If you really hate bell's BS one can always sign up with them, some times bell will be a dick about things and try n make it difficult to set up but its worth it to screw over Bell for their BS business practices. If you can get bell or telus in your area u can sign up with teksavvy but get more bandwith for less money.
The first few comments claim TekSavvy throttles P2P traffic. But it says on their website that they support Net Neutrality. Is there something I'm missing?
Yes since it uses other infrastructure from ISPs in the area they have no way to fight against bell who throttles their service. Tho its bell doing the throttling against teksavvys wishes.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/26/bell_cana...
Anybody know if SaskTel is being throttled?
I think it might be, considering I cannot get more then 60 kB/s up or down on torrents, including the official ubuntu one.
now, im on the east coast of canada which there is only Aliant for the small cities/towns,and knock on wood, im not throttled, i regulary test at speedtest.net and never find any slowdown , also when running torrents i get full upload speed(6mb/s) all the time day or night, i guess im just lucky, but luck ,like a leaky water jug it will run out eventually ,but thank god for the firefox/megaupload "work arround" i can get full movies in 20min or less……….
I live in Manitoba and use MTS Allstream. My torrent downloads average between 500-600 k/s and my uploads range on average from 100-180 k/s. Usually depends who is grabbing. So…safe to say no throttling here. If they do…I haven't noticed one bit!
Sounds like the speeds i used to get from monarch.net before shaw bought them out n capped it at 300k/s and 40k/s. Assuming your not getting throttled down to under 100k/s n 10k/s during most hours which i am.
Try this megaupload hack
in firefox type about:config
in filters type general.useragent.extra.firefox (or search for it thru the list)
double click on the string
write MEGAUPLOAD 1.0 after the browser version
(leave a space before typing)
now u will never reach ur limit as a free user (trust me this works!)
forgot to mention the megaupload link HAS to be a single file!!!
not broken into several smaller files!!
I get these speeds 24/7. Shaw sucks. I was with them about 4 years ago when they really started going to town on limiting speeds. I called to complain and of course they denied they were shaping, etc…But they did mention that I downloaded quite a bit and if it kept up I would be billed extra. MTS has great speeds and no max on downloading – for now. Unfortunately I could see this changing in the future.
SaskTel does not participate in Internet traffic management, though they do use Arbor Peakflow SPs to detect, analyze, and mitigate network anomalies (e.g. DDoS, viral outbreaks, etc) – this is according to their filing with the CRTC.
In their response to the CRTC filing, MTS Allstream note that they do not use DPI equipment for network management – they do not differentiate traffic speeds based on packet content, or packet flow, composition.
How about Primus? i heard its different area to area based on whos system they use. for example in North York primus uses its own server and stuff and Bell's lines(beside their obvious problem generally during night) i dont think there is DPI happening here.
Primus themselves do not employ DPI traffic management devices in Canada, according to their filing with the CRTC. Their only form of 'traffic management' at the moment consists of network upgrades to augment capacity.
I live in Ontario, I have an unlimited download 5 Mb/s up and 800Kb/s down Internet account with a 3rd party ISP. But because I use my Bell phone line to connect to the Internet, I get throttled and it's not just from 4PM to 2 AM, even during so-called non-throttled times I'm prevented from getting my full speed! Before Bell started throttling I could get 500 Kb/s download on average via uTorrent, now even after 2 AM (non-throttled time), my average has more than dropped in half! I'm paying my ISP $40/month before tax for Internet access that during throttled times all I can get is 25 Kb/s download and during non-throttled times, I average only 175 Kb/s!
Meanwhile, on uTorrent when I look at my peers’ download speeds I see 700 Kb/s, 800 Kb/s and higher, there are people even downloading at 1 to 2 Mb/s!! So Bell's excuse that bit torrent users are hogging up their bandwidth is crap! How is it that other countries are able to accommodate its citizens?
I know why Bell it throttling and I've written my opinion to many blogs and to the CRTC. The CRTC gave Bell a license to string phone lines only! Bell initially piggybacked Internet transmissions on its phone lines but when the Internet expanded, the CRTC mandated that Bell must sell some of its bandwidth to third party ISP's. Well Bell did that but the CRTC made a crucial mistake, which was that it should have broken up the license to transmit telephone signals and Internet signals; where each service must have a different physical wire! If the CRTC would have done that, Bell would have tons of excess bandwidth! But because the CRTC didn't mandate it, Bell became greedy and just decided to transmit both telephone and Internet signals on just one wire (now optic fiber)!
I've written to politicians telling them that Bell needs to be broken up for the future sustainability of the Canadian economy. Because as the world's Internet speeds keep on increasing, Canadian businesses will not be able to compete because Bell Canada in a very short time will be unable to transmit and maintain economically viable Internet speeds 24/7 in order for businesses to send and receive huge amounts of data! Bell is essentially slowing all Internet speeds 24/7 because it is sending Internet signals through a fiber optic network that was just made to handle telephone signals; very soon Bell will have no viable Internet speeds as more and more businesses transmit heavy volumes of data all over the world! Bell is making bit torrent users the scapegoat but the real answer is that Bell's telephone network can't handle the increasing Internet data! If the CRTC won't mandate it then the federal government must legislate that Internet signals must be transmitted on a different physical network (not to be shared with telephone signals) and that separate licenses must apply!
That means that a company could just apply to string fiber optic cable to carry Internet signals. The license to do so must include the legal stipulation that the licensee must continually increase capacity (i.e. lay down more cable fiber) as demand increases! That's what Bell's original license stipulated regarding stringing phone lines across Canada, that its phone system must meet the every increasing needs of Canadians. We are screwed because there are no separate licenses to transmit Internet and phone signals, so Bell got greedy and piggybacked the Internet on its phone network. The problem is that telephone demand is static while demand for transmitting Internet data is outstripping Bell's capacity!
The answer is legislation not net neutrality! Separate legal licenses must be given to companies who wish to string fiber optic cable (or any other technology); one for phone and one for the Internet AND each with its own separate network! That way, Canadians will be assured sufficient Internet capacity for now and for the future!
Please pass on my message!!!
Correction to my previous post:
In my first sentence, I got mixed up my stats; I have 5 Mb/s down and 800 Kbs up.
Too bad Telus has a 60 gig Cap. Thats right not 300 but a 60 gig cap. i should know i got a warning about it and then the next month i went over the 60 and got kicked off for one month. I went straight to Shaw
All of a sudden… have you been living in a hole for the past 5 years or something?
And just in case your incredibly analytical mind missed this basic fact – it's ISPs that are implementing these practices.
" The real reason these ISPs throttle traffic because they want to keep their operating costs as low as possible while enjoying the highest possible profit margin. It has nothing to do with "negatively effecting network performance"."
Evidence for this is where?
Oh … it's 300, I was confused for a minute there. I really thought 60 looked liked 300.
Oh well.
Would anyone like some nice, warm waffles with maple syrup on top?
Its a 60 gig cap.
Its not just in Canada. ISPs are secretly doing it in India. I've suffered from it, that too rather actively.
http://stuckinframes.blogspot.com
I Live in Moscow and our ISP have their own Database of movies :P
I have 25Mbit connection which i can max download from international trackers but i can download at 15-16mb/s ( which is over 100Mbit/s ) from my local movie database which is provided by Moscow biggest ISP legally :PPPP
Moscow ( Russia ) hates USA Law and we don't care what their law is. F**K USA and their tricks.
email me Dima, that sounds interesting :) enigmax[at]torrentfreak.com
You can circumvent the teksavvy throttle with a combo of the right momdem/router…. google it.
hi bell stop sending me f*cking reports about my bandwidth usage!
I simply can't understand why this throttling practice is accepted and commonplace amongst the Canadian ISPs.
I'm currently with Rogers and have a cap on my bandwidth of X GB/month, and am charged a hefty premium for using more than my "fair share". Does it make any sense that they have "traffic management" tactics to throttle power users, limiting the increased revenue they see from these premiums?
I don't understand their business perspective here. Why not let the P2P users fill their boots (and their DL/UL quotas), and rake in the added revenue.
Throttling the power users is only going to create more customer dissatisfaction and dissent. The only people it may appear to help, are the casual users (who most likely won't even notice the improved performance of their email and/or browsing), or the tech support staff at the ISPs themselves. (But you might think that the added revenue from the P2P users would more than cover any extra infrastructure investment they need to make).
Well they don't throttle HTTP traffic at all….
I've been crufcying my ISP but downloading 9 Linux ISOs a night (different ones, on rotation). I'm paying for it, and I'm going to use it one way or another. If everyone started doing the same, they might back down.
Apparently Acanac offers some SSH tunneling which gets around the cap.
this is the good link ;
http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=canada1s...
sorry.
:-(
"Up to 15mbps down and 1 mbps up"
Teksavvy pays bell for the lines. You're just adding a middle man.
I have shaw, and we do pay extra for the extreme level account, but I have never noticed any throttling issues. My average speeds from reliable trackers are about 500-800 down, and I think the highest I've hit down was 1.9 Mbps (note: this is a torrent of a weekly tv show and is from a private tracker, and I regularly hit over 1 mbps with it. I've only hit 1+ a handful of other times on other torrents.) While I can't argue that they don't throttle, especially if they admit to it, but I can't say that I've ever directly experienced it.
One of the issues with Cable internet speeds is saturation on the node in a person's area, to my understanding. This may have changed with the new DOCSIS implementation, which should reduce the amount of saturation. I don't really know the details any more, so I could be completely off my rocker, so feel free to correct me.
And to the commenter who said Bell owns most of the telephone infrastructure, you are simply incorrect. Bell owns most of the infrastructure in Eastern Canada, predominantly in Ontario and Quebec, and now through the purchase of Aliant, in the maritimes. In the west, it is Telus. This is the same for all of their services (mobile, internet, phone, etc) because they both invested heavily into the infrastructure of their respective territories as government bodies and later as private entities, and it was a ridiculous business move for either to build their own networks in the other's territory when they expanded. This is also why smaller companies rent off of them. Not really important to the subject at hand, but I think it does need clarifying.
correction to my note about my top speed, its a weekly internet radio show, not tv show
Hey,
i'm confused if i pay to be able to download at 1.2 MB a second thats basically like 1200KB a second. Why do they give me the option to buy it if they can't handle me doing it all the time or whenever i want.. and slow me down.
isn't this considered False Adversitment and stealing since i'm giveing them money for Service A but they are only providing me with Service B.
as a company if they can't handle ppl downloading at certain speeds then why say they offer it.
"Cogeco considered other options such as metered plans, but these would not solve the network ‘abuse’ by P2P users." So even if I pay for each and every kilobyte I'm still abusing the network? WTF?
That's not true. Telus has more internet customers than Shaw does. I've worked for both companies. Shaw has much faster internet available though… up to 25mb, where as with telus the best you can do is 5mb.
Cogeco …..I pay for my internet I want what I pay for that's it…tell me if your capping my ass down and charge me for what your the cap is not what I might have
a big F u to you cogeco!
SaskTel does not throttle. Depending on your package is what your upload is limited to. Your download, or lack thereof, could be tied to the port forwarding on your 2wire. With my Extreme package, I am able to attain a 1.2mbps / 100kbps dl/up ratio with uTorrent and Transmission.
I use Rogers in Durham Region (East of Toronto). While running uTorrent during throttling hours, I am completely unable to browse websites. I can play (UTP games) WoW, CS, Battlenet games just fine, but try to check out TorrentFreak, Yahoo, or WoWHead and the site shows loading until it times out. Everything returns to normal if I exit uTorrent. Same thing happens sometimes when running Blizzard's background downloader which uses BT.
This also happens to me. They start to throttle all of your TCP ports, but UDP game traffic is fine.
I'm on Shaw (Using their "Extreme I" service), and I've never noticed any throttling issues. It's at least as fast, if not faster than what my brother gets with MTS.
Their reasoning is along the lines of "you would be paying, yes, but at the same time there would be massive congestion on the network. They would get to bill *you*, but in the process of generating congestion your might cost *them* long-term customers".
there is no cap on the business plans, in the long run it's cheaper to register a company for 400$ (if you don't already have a company name, that is) than to pay all those extras – i have heard so many stories of people getting HUGE bills because they forgot their bittorrent open over the weekend
TELUS GPON and ETTS customers get 25mbit down, the highest ADSL2+ plan is 15mbit as of Jan 25th, all customers on legacy dslams can get up to 6mbit.
Acanac is my ISP and I have no issues with throttling. They provide an SSH tunnel workaround to Bell's throttling so I get full bandwidth on my torrents any time of day.
There is no bandwidth cap on my DSL. The SSH tunnel and my 100 GB of online storage (sftp,ftp) is capped at 300 GB of traffic per month.
Not all ISPs are crap. Just do some research.
Both Bell and Rogers make you pay when you go over the hard cap they have on their plans. So they've essentially already implemented your suggestion. They are just fucking twats and don't want to give us the bandwidth, even with caps.
Exactly true. Rogers is the only Cable provider in my area. And I'm not going ADSL, which is basically a fancy way of saying "phone-line".
Videotron is not, change your title / do your research better.
however, teksavvy supports MLPPP which blocks bell's ability to do DPI and thus circumvents their throttling (i've been using this for several months now with great results)
Bell is NOT a government organization. They were the monopoly phone company in most of Ontario and Quebec until the CRTC introduced competition. However, Bell built a substantial portion of its infrastructure as a monopoly. That is why they should not be permitted to stifle competition by restricting or unduly influencing competitive access to those facilities.
The same thing could be said about the Canadian Cablecos. They too have built their networks as monopolies.
Great article. I wish they would stop that.
Interesting appears that the level of media conglomeration in Canada is even higher then here in the US.
Goddamnit! I knew Shaw was throttling way back when, though Telus doesn't seem so bad. Not sure if its available in my area (of my city) yet.
This is the one area the CRTC must step in and order a stop to throttling.. There is no way to avoid throttling and I don't like that.. Canada shouldn't be known for having the worst net neutral policy..
Acanac is great.. But they rent lines from Bell aswell and since bell throttles their wholesale division that means you 2.. :( … Lines were tooo slow at home and im not risking slow lines at my new place either (toooo far from bell switch center thing etc)…
OH and BTW… FOR ALL CANADIANS…Get the utorrent 1.9 beta .. or enable UTP in 1.8.1…
I'm sitting pretty right here uploading and downloading unimpeded with Sasktel here in Saskatchewan. No throttling or caps here whatsoever.
i use Shaw cable here in Vancouver. Been using them for years.
I NEVER get more than 200 KB/S on Torrent downloads (total), and usually my Torrents work at speeds of 50KB/S. HTTP Downloads for me usually run between 100-300 KB/S.
Their whole service is just plain shit.
Does anyone want to tell me how much better an option Telus ADSL would be?
MTS Allstream ftw, upstream i can output 240kb/s max upload, however download sux balls at 600kb/s but its unlimited so can't complain to much :P
"Evidence for this is where?"
Oh? Did you miss where Rogers throttles P2P traffic regardless of net congestion? Did you miss where all these major ISPs somehow refuse to upgrade their infrastructure when doing so is the exact solution to this "negatively effecting network performance" BS they're moaning about?
Nice try, but the apologist ruitine fails. You can't seed doubt on a scam this flagrant. What's next? Let me guess… Comcast had a legit use for Sandvine?
If you want a service from a company you have to deal with the service you get from that company. Internet access isn't some sort of constitutional right. Like our highways we drive on, it's a privilege. If you don't like what an ISP is doing then start your own company. Seriously, go find some funding, like a couple of million dollars, then create a giant network that spans an entire company. And when some user starts slowing down your entire network from his grandma's basement, let me know what steps you take to address that user.
CRTC will never draw the line. They will for sure make it blury. CRTC is made up of the big 3 isp's
Really? 'Cause I have ADSL and I regularly reach torrenting speeds of up to 750 kB/s. No throttling either.
im using rogers .. i can download at around 800KB/s and up at 50KB/s for 45 a month.. 203g's over the monthly bandwidth for a total of 263 g's, 203gigs additional usage costs $406 ..DAMN!!!!! *thinks of all the things he coulda done with that money* .. that was last month this month (start jan 21 so 3 days) i have already used 40 gig bandwidth even with a seedbox ..lmao … im surprised i havent gotten a warning yet .. .. anyone know of any isp's who offer unlimited bandwidth under $40? with atleast 500KB/s ( toronto)
nice topic..this should be digg!
http://musikmaniacs.blogspot.com
teksavvy does not throttle because they give users an option to use mlppp that bell does not decode or throttle
No, Telus is as evil when it comes to throttling as any of the others. They do throttle and will stop your internet connection with a stupid message on your browser.
It will be better if they don't provide internet at all. They're as evil as the rest of them…blocking ports, and all
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