Demonoid Aftermath: An Open Letter to the CRIA
Written by Ernesto on October 04, 2007In the aftermath of the recent demonoid turmoil, “A former music buyer” posted an open letter to the CRIA – an impressive summary of what’s wrong with the music industry and how they alienate their customers. The RIAA and the CRIA have to rethink their business models, closing down p2p sites does not solve the problem.
To Whom It May Concern at the CRIA:
I have been an avid music collector for many years, and have approximately 1000 CD’s in my collection, not counting albums that I have purchased over the internet and own only digital copies of. I purchase approximately 30-40 new CDs per year. However, thanks to your recent decision to block Canadian users from accessing Demonoid, I have decided that I cannot continue to support this backwards, dysfunctional industry with my money any longer, and as such, I do not plan on purchasing music ever again if it means that one penny goes to your organization.
I listen to heavy metal music, a form of music that “the industry” stopped supporting many years ago, so I have a hard time feeling any sympathy. Sites such as Demonoid have done far more to promote the music I love than your organization or the industry in general has ever done. I can find out about new artists and new releases from artists that are never promoted. I can listen to music from artists that have never been played on the radio, will never be shown on MuchMusic or MTV, and never have a review or even mention of their new album written about in the local newspaper. From listening to this music, I can make an informed decision if I wish to purchase the album or not, as I am not going to gamble $15-20 on something that I haven’t heard anything off of before.
25 years ago, I primarily learned about music from friends who dubbed a copy onto a cassette tape, where I could listen to it and make a decision if I wanted to buy the tape for myself. Now, many years removed from school, my “gang” of friends to share music with has shifted from cassette tapes and the school cafeteria to sharing mp3’s online. I listen to some things that I don’t like, and consequently, I don’t buy those albums. What I do like, I buy, or at least I used to, before your decision intended to stop me from hearing new music.
The industry cries that record sales are down, and blames this all on internet downloading. I won’t be so naïve as to say that internet downloading has no impact on the sales. Downloading has certainly stopped me from making the stupid purchases where I heard one single that I liked and bought an entire album only to find out that the rest of the songs are crap, and the CD sits collecting dust on my shelf. But for every CD that I didn’t buy based on those premises, there are 2 or 3 other CDs that I did buy because I heard of them for the first time on a site like Demonoid.
In the meantime, the music industry itself needs to recognize that they are to blame for sagging record sales. For years, they have been marketing recycled crap, and people are getting tired of it. On the odd occasion that something fresh and new accidentally slips through and gets radio play, the music industry immediately signs a seemingly infinite number of clone bands that makes the “new, fresh” sound boring almost instantly. It seems the music industry doesn’t even care about making or promoting good music any more. Instead, they market a young, pretty face that can dance provocatively and lip-synch well, and push this on the radio stations to play while getting the tabloids to print large pictures of their breasts. If bands like AC/DC or Motorhead were to emerge today, they would never be successful; not because of poor record sales due to downloading, but due to the fact that they’re ugly so the record company wouldn’t promote them, if they picked them up at all. In the meantime, they’re falling all over themselves to promote Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, or any teenage tramp that can be airbrushed to look sexy.
The record labels cry about downloading cutting into the profits of the sales of albums. They put out “greatest hits” albums by 20-year olds with 2 or 3 albums under their belts, released with one new track to try and sucker the fans that already have both albums into spending another $20 for one new song, or re-releasing a 3-month old album with a “previously unreleased bonus track”. Then they can’t understand why people aren’t buying them, and cry foul that people are downloading the one new song instead.
I know not only the record companies are crying. Artists that have been around long enough to have enough clout to get a cut of the record sales are concerned about their cut, like Metallica that also clamor that “downloading is evil”, and then go on to sell over 9 million copies of their last album instead of 9.1 million. Boo hoo. Meanwhile, many younger, smaller artists favor downloading, because they know it’s the only way that people will get to hear the music and in turn come out to see their shows, because the record label sure as hell isn’t promoting them. But they can’t say that out loud, can they? If they do, guess which band is going to get dropped by the label?
So tell me, what does the CRIA do to promote metal? Oh, right, you’ve got a link to the top 50 “metal” albums in Canada, which after a quick glance at the top ten this week includes punk acts like Dropkick Murphys, Finger Eleven, and Billy Talent, and rock acts like Nickelback and Queen, but very little that resembles heavy metal. (Perhaps you should ask the Celtic punk band, Dropkick Murphys, what they think of being labeled as “metal”.)
And also tell me, without Demonoid, where would I have found out about bands like Evile or Dublin Death Patrol and made a decision to purchase their album online (because no record store that I have found in Canada carries either one). And god forbid the CRIA would care about the promotion of Canadian talent, such as longtime recording artist Annihilator, which released one of the better albums of 2007. However, I have yet to see their new album sold in any store in Canada, including HMV’s flagship store on Yonge Street in Toronto, and I ultimately had to buy a copy from a UK website. Considering the only place I had heard about this album was having downloaded it from Demonoid, do you really expect anyone to make this kind of effort to buy an album without ever having heard it?
The record labels and CRIA have gone to great lengths to tell us that downloading and sharing music is killing the music industry. Open your eyes and you will see that the music industry dinosaur has already been killing itself for years, and by resisting technology rather than embracing it and using it to their advantage. “Oh, but they have,” you try to insist, pointing to the sites devoted to selling music in mp3 format online. I notice that most of the metal bands I am interested in are still not available through these services. I also notice that buying an entire album ends up costing as much, if not more, than if I went to buy it in the store, even though there are no longer costs of materials or shipping that have to be paid for, and once again, I fail to come up with any sympathy for the music industry. I hope the music industry does die, because I know that music itself will not die so with the corrupt aspects of the industry gone, only then might music once again flourish.
Sincerely,
A former music buyer
Previously: Crackdown on File-Sharers Trading in Gay Porn
Next: Mininova.org Servers and Traffic: 2006 vs 2007
350 Responses
Pretty kickass! I only buy music directly from the band at shows these days.
my god im happy
And let’s not forget the unholy amount of soundtracks that get produced but never promoted, from movies or otherwise. Were it not to BitTorrent I wouldn’t have even considered buying any of the soundtrack CDs I now have,
CRIA and RIAA are both a joke. It’s a good idea in theory, but there needs to be a serious change in the management.
I completely agree with that open letter! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Nice letter, music fan man. I have also refrained from buying cd and what not simply because the market is flooded my mainstream crap; I’m tired about hearing Rihanna a billionth time on a dance floor or some other rap crap (old rap was good, the old ones from way back. Actually sang about people, no sex, bling, rims, suvs, hoes, etc, like today).
Every time that I do go to a store that sells audio media, I can’t find for the life of me, any trance music. I stay there for hours and I can’t find any, just a bunch of radio crap.
I then come back to the internets to get what I need. I sometimes also have to get my cd’s outside of Canada, like in Europe to get my trance.
|sarc| I congratulate the RIAA and CRIA, way to promote other genres of music.|sarc.end|
I see soo much dance music, unfortunately, its crap that is heard on the radio.
I do hope that the music industry, not the MPAA (I love watching my movies in the theatres), does die in flames or quietly. As well as anti-p2p and ant-piracy orgs., may they die as well.
Would you like an invite to OiNK?
good read. good points.
::Claps::
Well said man! Show them who’s boss!!
In regards to: “However, thanks to your recent decision to block Canadian users from accessing Demonoid…”
We have seen no proof that CRIA is responsible. All we have is Deimos’ word. And that jackass is not releasing this alleged threatening letter. Posts like this, while making valid points may not do anything positive in regards to this situation. Attacking Cria may be off base. The thing is to pressure Diemos and his crew to produce or shut the fuck up.
Best piece of anti-establishment porn I’ve jerked off to in a long time!
move to sweden!!! :D
well said, and couldn’t been said better.
its a ture fact.
“…I know that music itself will not die so with the corrupt aspects of the industry gone, only then might music once again flourish.”
I am waiting for this day to come. However, I have a sad feeling that the eras of great bands like Zeppelin and AC/DC are gone forever.
Awesome letter. But It will do fuck all.
Id love to see CRIA faces when they read that :X
“Oct 04, 2007 at 16:30 by sniperQuote sniper
In regards to: “However, thanks to your recent decision to block Canadian users from accessing Demonoid…”
We have seen no proof that CRIA is responsible. All we have is Deimos’ word. And that jackass is not releasing this alleged threatening letter. Posts like this, while making valid points may not do anything positive in regards to this situation. Attacking Cria may be off base. The thing is to pressure Diemos and his crew to produce or shut the fuck up.”
^^^^^
retards like this, will get them selves busted and lead to more attacks on the commUNITY. Sniper, you must be wet behind the ears about the subject. cause it sounds like you were still on your moms tit when napster was going down. try to read a little and your next post might make more sense.
to mayor. I see deimos’s little imps are crawling out of their holes. I thoght you morons were afraid of the light. Try going to school and getting an education. Retards like you need to learn how to parse a sentence and then learn how to think on your own and not swallow some dorks propaganda. Then and maybe then, you might make a little sense. But in the mean time, you must be wet in your diaper. Get your mommy to change it for you.
READ THIS, you demonoiders.
this was written by a girl on the official forums who works for canadian government and promised to get to the bottom of things:
This is Crap!!!! I am in the process of getting to the bottom of this. CRIA cannot stop a public tracker service. It just cant happen. I work for a government agency here in Canada and what CRIA is doing is against our rights. We have the right as Canadians to access public information. There is absolutely no way that a non-government body would be able to force an interenet site to stop serving canadian traffic. Unless you are serving child porn or other illegal activity. File Sharing is not illegal here in Canada. I believe that you guys should take the tails out from between your legs and fight back. We canadians dont tolerate being pushed around and told what to do. I know that I already have staff in my office working on this issue as we find it a blatent disregard to our rights as Canadians.
now earlier today she wrote:
I have contacted people at CRIA. This is what I have been told. They have in no way employed any Law Firm to represent them in any matters concerning torrents. CRIA did not have the letter sent. Someone is playing a very naasty joke and I would suggest you show them what they law is about when you unlawfully represent yourself. I would highly suggest that Demonoid contact CRIA direct and let them know about what he had recieved. I know they would love to see the letter. I would also look into seeing if this said law firm actually exsists. Anyways this is what I have found out. I hope this helps you get to the bottom of this.
Cheers
Merrlinne
Just wanted to add I am ashamed to call myself canadian. I sent them an email telling them they will never get another dime from me, and they made me embarrassed of my own country.
I think this letter represents how many canadians feel at this time, me included.
Okay, to Sniper, by your own statement where is this “girls” proof that anything she says is any truer than Demios’ statement about getting a letter from the CRIA? Honestly I rarely use Demoniod, but I don’t see what possible advantage Demios could have in blocking Canadian traffic if he -didn’t- get a letter. What would be the point? If there is one I don’t know about, someone feel free to inform me.
I have read over Canadian law pertaining to this and really cannot find anything solid that says what demonoid does is illegal in this country. Maybe it is possible someone else posed as CRIA ?? I would think Demonoid would look into this in a little more detail before tearing their site down in what seemed to be fear of being under the heat lamp.
The whole thing doesn’t make sense to me, i mean if they were that afraid of being sued why start the site in the first place?
I think there is an underlying reason as to why they are blocking canadian traffic.
working for riaa all these years your letter has caused me to suddenly see the light. clearly the way forward is to enter a state of world communism, in which through sharing everything nobody ever has to do any work.
Wow, eggstew, that was one of the most uninformed posts I’ve ever seen. The ability to sample music before buying it is hardly communism.
[quote comment="180664"]working for riaa all these years your letter has caused me to suddenly see the light. clearly the way forward is to enter a state of world communism, in which through sharing everything nobody ever has to do any work.[/quote]
Yes, when I share music engineers stop building planes, construction workers throw down their shovels, the results for scientific studies magically appear, and “nobody has to do any work”.
The **AA’s need to hire a coupe consultants under the age of 35 to hold their hand while they explore the wonders of the internet.
LISTEN to Merrlinne!!!!! She knows what she’s talking about!!
Don’t just fucking roll over! This is CANADA, Land of the Free, AND home to FREE DOWNLOADING!!
I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again, CRIA has NO jurisdiction in this matter!! So someone is obviously lying!!
PS — Finger Eleven IS NOT PUNK EITHER! Alternative Rock. Plese get it right.
to roald, regarding post 22 and this girl’s proof. Wait for it. People are working on this. As to deimos, he’s either gun-shy and/or not aware of canadian law. All he is doing is keeping the pot boiling by not releasing this alleged letter. By this time, even if he did release it, the validity of said document could be called into question(anybody can create anything at any time, these days). All that is happening is that Demonoid is self-destructing.
i live in the usa. that is the land of the free. :O)
I do not completely agree to this letter.
The writer says that he’s using filesharing networks, because it’s the only place where he’s able to find new music which doesn’t get mentioned on television/newspapers.
Well, there are a lot websites where you can find reviews on music albums (and even of non-mainstream music).
Or what’s about Last.fm? I found a lot new music there. And you can listen to samples for free.
your kinda talking about a drop in the ocean there daniel
They actually talked about demonoid being taken down by CRIA in today’s newspaper. However, they stressed that CRIA’s involvement was still an unsolved matter, since the only hint of it is Demonoid’s own statement.
The journalist contacted the site’s host who assured him that they had received no communication whatsoever from CRIA, and that the decision to shut down Canadians’ access was the site’s decision.
I agree %100 mate, I will continue to release my music for free on many p2p sites, and if people want to pay, then fine, they don’t, well then they don’t.
Bravo!
I am 100% in agreement here – you emphasize my feelings exactly.
RIP Demonoid.
get yourself over to rockbox !!
loads of new and old metal there for ya ;)
yeah… and guess what! I’m still able to get my music on line for free. damn CRi…mumble
FUCKIN RIGHT man. its about time somebody said this.
You got my support mate!
this is to Chris number 6 post!
I would love an OINK invite if you still have one!
etiquette.designs@gmail.com
I don’t know if you are willing, but I promise to keep a great ratio! I have lots of music to offer!
thanks!
Is demonid trying to lose supporters by alienating people or just trying to increase traffic to his site by creating some non-existant controversy?
So many questions and no answers from tight-lipped site owner. I didn’t think CRIA had any power to take down sites. Besides for now they are happy stealing our money by the way of mdeia levy that no artists ever see share of.
I envision the day when no money-grubbing producer whore is left to claim ‘their’ share of the artist’s money, and it is the norm for bands to have their own sites through which you can sample and purchase their music, in a variety of formats (ogg goddamnit) or simply in uncompressed form so we can encode how we choose. “We are damaged”, they claim, when music is downloaded. No, what happens is you don’t get your money for free, so fuck you and find a job where you do actual work. Stop living off the coattails of those with actual talent, you deserve nothing of their gains.
I don’t know who you are, what you look like, and what else you stand for. But I am very, very proud to know Canada has you in our country.
Demonoid say: “We received a letter from a lawyer representing the CRIA, they were threatening with legal action and we need to start blocking Canadian traffic because of this.
[quote comment="180615"]Would you like an invite to OiNK?[/quote]
Yes I would. I have given invites from demoniod to many of my friends over the past year. And I am angry that demoniod is gone to us Canadians. If you have a extra invite, I would be grateful.
Mac user!
whiteravens01@gmail.com
Bravo! Bravo!
face it and stop pretending we are modern day Robin Hoods and making excuses about no availability of new music, high cost , blah, blah. downloading copyrighted stuff is stealing(from the rich yes)but still stealing and to sweet to resist. Demonoid lately seems to close up shop at the drop of a hat, something else is going on here.
[quote]I hope the music industry does die, because I know that music itself will not die so with the corrupt aspects of the industry gone, only then might music once again flourish.[/quote]
VERY well said.
[quote]And that jackass is not releasing this alleged threatening letter.[/quote]
Deimos did nothing wrong not telling you everything that happens. You are not owed anything.
[quote]I am waiting for this day to come. However, I have a sad feeling that the eras of great bands like Zeppelin and AC/DC are gone forever.[/quote]
One thing I know, if it is going to get better, it is going to get a lot worse first.
What the fuck is with all of those who say that the CRIA has nothing to do with it?
[quote comment="180689"]i live in the usa. that is the land of the free. :O)[/quote]
Lol… I am amazed that an American knows how to live free. You cant step one foot into any state our all intelligence agencies have to know it. They have to know about your library ideas, they can tab in your phone without warrant. You can BUY politics. etc…
Of course its not the only country thats fits in this profile… but I am still happy that I live in a place were I can make choices! I cant wait to vote a pirate party when the European Community calls for voting again.
On topic.
I fully agree with the letter. I would like to add the cinema’s in this world. They are waiting for creating month / year standard fees. Its announced in the Benelux for years now. But it still is only available in the major cities…
I pretty much stopped buying CD’s over 9 years ago. Pretty much for the same reason most people have. One Britney spears is ok, but not 20 of them, as well as 1 Nsync is ok, not 20 of them. All music coming from the mainstream now is crap, plain and simple. Artists now a days do music cause it’s an easy way to get to the top fast, and then drop off and do other things. My main choice of music is Electronic and Metal. They are both on opposite ends of the spectrum but for me they represent true musicians who love the music not for the looks of the artist but by the sounds it makes.
To by~ you say:Deimos did nothing wrong not telling you everything that happens. You are not owed anything.
How wrong you are. As site operater and a public figure he has the duty to keep all properly informed as to events that affect subscribers. Particularly when he extorts money from people. Yes, he extorts when he says pay $5 if you’re below such and such an up/down ratio and you don’t want to get cut off. This may be an empty threat, but it is still a threat AND extortion. If an operater is not open AND honest with his clients, then i suggest everybody bail out. Deimos and Demonoid are not open and honest. I hope his site dies and he opens up shop in the US. Then he can have all the fun he never wanted.
Very well said.
[quote comment="180750"]To by~ you say:Deimos did nothing wrong not telling you everything that happens. You are not owed anything.
How wrong you are. As site operater and a public figure he has the duty to keep all properly informed as to events that affect subscribers. Particularly when he extorts money from people. Yes, he extorts when he says pay $5 if you’re below such and such an up/down ratio and you don’t want to get cut off. This may be an empty threat, but it is still a threat AND extortion. If an operater is not open AND honest with his clients, then i suggest everybody bail out. Deimos and Demonoid are not open and honest. I hope his site dies and he opens up shop in the US. Then he can have all the fun he never wanted.[/quote]
You are wrong there mate. As a [insert faux sounding job title] I have it from Scotland yard that they take threats to harm of subtraction of ratio or ratios is taken as a death threat on the Queen herself!. I shiver in fear that my ratio will succumb to the madness of all this,,,ohh the humanity!!
Wow. I couldnt agree more. Very well said.
[quote]How wrong you are. As site operater and a public figure he has the duty to keep all properly informed as to events that affect subscribers.[/quote]
He needs to do something just because he runs a site? Nah. And Deimos telling people what happens is not a term that people force him to agree to when they donate.
[quote]Particularly when he extorts money from people. Yes, he extorts when he says pay $5 if you’re below such and such an up/down ratio and you don’t want to get cut off.[/quote]
I suggest you look up the definition of extortion. Asking for donations is nothing of the sort.
Everyone knows demonoid is a public tracker. Everyone knows the ratio is often wrong, and meaningless.
Cut off? They don’t ban people from the site for a bad ratio, and even if they did, you can still use the tracker.
I’m confused. Under what legal authority did the CRIA shut down Demonoid to Canadians? Has BMG vs John Doe been overturned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_in_Canada
Downloading and file sharing passively via P2P was ruled to be legal in Canada under section 80(1) of the Canadian Copyright Act. Was there new legislation?
Absolutely true, exactly as i would have said it. The letter describes me perfectly too, since i listen to heavy metal and only because of demonoid i actually purchased CD’s. Before i was able to find new bands and CD’s trough Pandora.com, but ever since they closed access to Canada (a stupid move by the music industry once again) I had to move on to sites like demonoid where i could find similar bands and listen to full albums to decide weather i purchase it or not.
Also i have to agree with most of the previous posts, there is too much focus on shit music these days. Now its all about this rap crap and britney spears, like give me a break… Well i can say im still a supporter of sharing, and fuck CD’s now because of this stupid move. I think ill move out of Canada to Sweden if this continues…
I would like to point out that the CRIA has made demoniod block canadians from using its site. but am I wrong to think that in canada we have the right to be innocent untill proven guilty?
The CRIA has made all canadians guilty of copyright infringment, I for one have yet to download a song using demoniod.
what about the people who use this site to promote there own wares songs from there band, books they have written, movies that they have made.
Where does it stop, if they get away with this then whats next, you will not beable to make music unless your signed to a recording company??
I find this action extremely disturbing not because I cannot go to demonoid, but because of what presedent it sets and the signs of our times.
I think that all the CRIA has really done is showen a ever growing number of people just what the bigger corperations are trying to do to us and leaving a bad taste in our mouths.
its not like they dont make the money, I ean they get money for every blank CD sold incase you burn music. they just want more and more those huge houses and big cars dont pay for themselves
It might be different if the artists actually got a larger portion of the sales but sadly thats not even the case
maybe next the CRIA will ask the ISP companys for royalitys because we connect to the internet and might listen to a song
welcome to the NWO
Pointless rant really. Using the word “crap” makes it sound unprofessional, and saying “boo-hoo” comes off as the rantings of a petulant 12 year old.
What you said.
Great letter, should be a fun read for the CRIA :D
HEHEH, Canadians get internet poker, but no Demonoid.
First deimos says Brein is after his ass. He moves to Canada. Now he is saying Cria shut him down. Where is he moving to next? I think this deimos person is a nut bar. He’s a paranoid jerk-off. He has delusions that the big, bad wolves are after his skinny little ass. They don’t give a rats ass about some insignificant worm. CRIA did not shut him down. There was no threatening letter. All you have to do is think about the whole situation. There is nothing in Canadian law that would allow CRIA to force deimos (or Dumb-ass)to shut off Canadians. This dumb fucker is lying through his teeth. Deport the idiot back to Yogoslavia. Screw that. Ship him to Iran. Then shut down demonoid, it’s like a bowl of granola – full of fruits and nuts.
Well the CRIA has put it’s finger in the dyke and their are more holes then they have fingers..hehe Hey, me Mr. Cria Man. How’s it feel to be stuck with your finger in the dam knowing full well that the whole damn, dam is coming down on your tiny head..?!!!!
Yes… action and agitation are the way to bring the decrepit old dam down upon their tiny heads….lol
we’ll see how long it takes some pinhead at sony, bmg ect. to figure it out… Anything yet..? how about now…? Still nothing.?!!
AHAHAHAHAHAH OOOOOOH AHAHAHAHHA
The letter is great, and I would put my name on it, but for one omission: you forget to mention that when you download, you actually get lower-quality (less-than-CD-quality) versions of the songs.
Don’t believe the hype!
I agree completely with this letter. I am not a huge user of demonoid but I am sick of the music and movie industries pushing us around. I have stopped watching American movies almost all together and I don’t listen to a single North American artists…at all…not one. Why? I hate it…it’s crap (just as the letter says).
I love Asian movies and music. I love “Gojira” (which got its first uncut release in North America after 52yrs in 2006!), “Battle Royale” (which has yet to see a North American release), and “My Sassy Girl” (a very popular Korean movie from 2001 that has yet to see a release in North America) and “the establishment” makes every move it can to stop me from getting these quality films so that they can push garbage like “Superbad” and “Shoot ‘Em Up” on us again and again.
Now, Asian movies have been making it…in a still very limited way…onto DVD (and even more rarely into theatres…when they do go to theatres its a limited release that goes nowhere near where I live). Now…where do I go…in Canada…to buy the latest Morning Musume single? Where’s BoA, Asia’s biggest music artist right now? What about Japan’s music queen, Ayumi Hamasaki? Aya Matsuura? Ali Project? Berryz Koubou? Hikaru Utada (apart from her two ENGLISH songs from “Kingdom Hearts”)? No where. You can’t buy their music anywhere (unless they do one song for a popular Anime series and the soundtrack for said anime series gets a release here…which is also very rare and usually has to be special ordered into stores because they are not carried in stock). I go to the music section of HMV on Yonge Street and I see Hillary Duff, Lindsay Lohan, and High School Musical CDs. So tell me CRIA…BRIEN…RIAA…where should I go to get my Asian music when the legal form of downloading music is taken from me (and I don’t have a credit card…which is a whole other scandal in itself)?
[quote comment="180775"]Pointless rant really. Using the word “crap” makes it sound unprofessional, and saying “boo-hoo” comes off as the rantings of a petulant 12 year old.[/quote]
Who the hell cares about being profesional?!!!! That’s their culture… We represent that average guy.. We say it as we feel it…. hah..!!!
[quote comment="180810"]First deimos says Brein is after his ass. He moves to Canada. Now he is saying Cria shut him down. Where is he moving to next? I think this deimos person is a nut bar. He’s a paranoid jerk-off. He has delusions that the big, bad wolves are after his skinny little ass. They don’t give a rats ass about some insignificant worm. CRIA did not shut him down. There was no threatening letter. All you have to do is think about the whole situation. There is nothing in Canadian law that would allow CRIA to force deimos (or Dumb-ass)to shut off Canadians. This dumb fucker is lying through his teeth. Deport the idiot back to Yogoslavia. Screw that. Ship him to Iran. Then shut down demonoid, it’s like a bowl of granola – full of fruits and nuts.[/quote]
Looks to me like you’re the one that jumped outa that bowl of granola… The only question is are you a fruit or a not…???
We don’t really know what drove Deimos to his actions. But we do know fighting the powers that be is not easy and I’m sure he has his reasons…
“insignificant worm” builder of the second largest tracker in the world precludes that…. of course ,easy for you to second guess….
Seems to me you’ve been laying in the bowl so long that you think everyone else is a fruit or nut too.. lol
Illegal Downloads are killing the music industry. Even though stealing music is fun, convenient, exciting, and free it should still be avoided.
Just go to the record store…Goody’s got it!
to pal. Nice avoidance job, pal. Do the ad hominem attack rather than discussing the issues raised. Go kiss Dumb-asses ring. By the way, you forgot to add ” your mother is an army boot.” Which she was. And tough as nails too. I repeat- CRIA did not shut himdown. He’s shutting himself down. Imploding. Get a brain and you’d see it. Stop being an imp toady.
Get with the program… Buy music you like direct from the artist for £5 an album when it’s mp3’s… If you *really* like someone who’s CD only get the dead media planet raping disc and share it!
I hate being a Canadian! They try to control what we watch & listen to…How is Canada a free country when the government & the CRIA decides what we can or can’t have…We have crappy satilite companies & crappy phone companies…The US isn’t allowed to use our air space to give us satilite witch ticks me off big time because I can’t get the channel soapnet or the Lifetime channel…My mother went through the 9 months of pregnancy & labour to have me & she doesn’t tell me what I can or can’t watch so what gives the gov & the CRIA the right to control me…They can take there music & every thing & stick it! I own a radio & a tape recorder & a VCR still…I will not be purchasing any thing else of that nature…Screw the gov & the CRIA!
I don’t by music even if I like the band because most of the money goes to the label not the artist. Don’t believe Google, Courtney does the math.
I am not a fan of Radiohead, but I applaud them and the fans that support their new album. Finally, finally someone got it right. In the 21st century record companies are obsolete.
To all compaining about not being able to go to demonoid in canada, it isnt an issue anymore. Just go to http://www.kproxy.com and open the site from there. Im lucky enough that it seems my ISP is redirecting my traffic to appear from out of country because i am in montreal and demonoid works fine at my house, but not at my work
The only thing I would add is the fact that if you DO manage to find a CD out there that isn’t crap, most likely the recording levels are SO HIGH THAT YOU CAN’T EVEN ENJOY IT. Ever notice that there are just no dynamics anymore? Everything is just LOUD, LOUD, LOUD. It’s all made for radio play, which is ridiculous, because radio stations have compressors which reduce the CD’s dynamic range anyway.
I bought 3 CDs last year. This year, so far, none. I haven’t downloaded anything either. So yeah, I may be an anomaly but I’m glad they are going the way of the dinosaur….
“A former music buyer” – Theres power in the truth :)
Great letter mate
Nicely done. I am also an avid metal fan and I agree that demoniod (and kerrazy) are really the only good sites to download metal from. I am like you where I download and then buy and I am glad I do that. Otherwise I would of wasted money on Epica’s new CD or Nightwish’s new CD.
Have you thought about listening to last.fm or listening to the CD via Amazon DRM? While I don’t support DRM or online MP3 sites (iTunes, Amazon) for you it might be the only way.
its like musical civil war demonoid being the North and record industry being the racist South. Pay attention to history and see who is gonna WIN
This aint gonna do jack shit.
fuckin a.
BRAVO!
and BTW Canadian businesses should STOP behaving as if Canada is a colony of the United States.
jesus christ.
There is always the possibility of a gag order put on both Demonoid and the CRIA by a judge. That would explain the lack of information.
~~~~~HOW TO USE DEMONOID IN CANADA~~~~~
Here’s the deal. The block only affects demonoid’s website, not their trackers. That means if you have the torrent files, you can still use demonoid.
The solution is to use UltraSurf (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ultrareach.com%2Fcompany%2Fdownload.htm&ei=lIsFR_uJK5eqwwLN7czXAw&usg=AFQjCNEj3aKWEsDm_bJQR_v9Nf_ffpwt1A&sig2=uKH-ShcxJcFe92yy_GkR3Q) which is a proxy client to access the Demonoid site. I have been using this for months to get Pandora internet radio in Canada, and it works just as well for Demonoid.
Long live BitTorrent!!!
[quote comment="180888"]There is always the possibility of a gag order put on both Demonoid and the CRIA by a judge. That would explain the lack of information.[/quote]
completely possible
To radnom, post 82.
Completely impossible. The Canadian legal system doesn’t work that fast or in that way. Only when the interest of children and in very few other criminal cases is a gag order put in place. The lack of information is totally due to Dumbass. I mean deimos. Cria didn’t do it. So, with that in mind, who did it? Possibly some game that Dumbo is playing.
I am never going to buy another music CD.
I see the way they behave. I see the crap they shove down our throats on the radio. I see the political agenda of utter disgusting shit like Shinedown, and the whole manufactured “alternative” thing tha twas designed as a counter to the metal juggernaut.
But metal has not stopped and has not starved and is still gaining new fans. Why? Because the music is so unacceptable that it cannot sell out.
Continue to try to fob off responsibility for your flagging sales on others, CRIA and RIAA.
Your own actions are sealing your fates.
Speaking of albums not being in stores, my friend went to buy PJ Harvey’s new album and it was nowhere to be found in 3 stores (Target/Best Buy/Walmart). He wanted it right then, but was on his lunch break. It’s not like he could connect to itunes during lunch @ work. Plus, if he’s gonna pay the same price for a digital version he’d rather have a physical copy of the album with artwork.
One sweep of Demonoid and a FLAC version was available and downloaded in under 5 mins so now he can listen to it while he waits for the copy he had to order online to come in the mail.
“Heavy Metal” is not music, and don’t you ever call that garbage music ever again.Other than that, pretty cool.
I am going to file this right next to my collection of Open Letters to MTV complaining about their failure to play enough music videos. You know what we should do? We should start a petition! And we could demand that the recording industry be more METAL! Not this pussy metal they have nowadays, I mean real, hardcore, balls-to-the-wall METAL! I myself own over 20,000 albums of serious looking bearded men screaming unintelligibly, and the industry’s failure to support this vibrant and creative renaissance will go down in history as the Holocaust of the 21st century. They will make 14-hour very somber documentaries about it and everybody will be very sad. How F’N METAL are Demonoid? They are so metal they named their site after a Swedish death metal band! That is pure balls-up METAL, my friends. The CRIA just doesn’t get it.
Completely agree, I am no longer buying cd’s until something happens within the industry. The less and less people buy albums, the sooner something will have to change. I love having the physical albums, but I am all for a collective effort to change the industry.
Brilliantly put…
Really well written, I will be posting it as a link on my site for sure.
Your response is right and is good.
Ahoy mates,
I am a pirate. I steal from the industry when I download their songs, I pillage their sales because sometimes I leech entire discographies and rape them because when they try to stop me from going to demonoid from Canada, I penetrate nonetheless.
I am a legal pirate though, all the tools and services I use to do this are legal tools according to Judge Konrad von Finckenstein’s ruling. and Canadian law. Only the CRIA and their pals would label me an actual pirate.
I also think that sailing the internet is like sailing a no man’s land. It’s a no man’s land because when back in 1994 big companies were saying stuff like “You’ll never sell anything on there” or “e-commerce is impossible”, us little guys where putting in personal free time to make this big internet machine work.. putting tubes together.
When the record industry decided to ditch analog and go digital, so did we (tapes to mp3). They weren’t shutting us down then, and shutting us down now only feeds the hate monger against them.
Keep it up CRIA babies, you aint shiverin me timbers with those little tears of yours an’ I aint intended on loosing on my turf.
well said friend
HERE HERE!
Admit it, not all the interest in downloading music is pointed toward “discovering new bands” – anyone bringing that up in an arguement had better say it quick and move onto a better point and quick … you have to hit the recording industry where it hurts – the pocket book. They have never, don’t and never will care about anything more.
The music industry as we’ve known it for the past 60 or so years is heaving its final death rattle and rather than get a clue, it remains fixed on squeezing out all the profit possible before giving it up.
Soon (relative term, that) artists will no longer have recording labels to answer to because ALL music will be digitally recorded, stored and transferred. Noticed yet, how kitschy the packaging has become? How everything “cool” is released on vinyl picture discs? See? They already know they’re history and are trying to make a profit from THAT, too…
The King Is Dead … FUCK’IM.
Copying is not stealing.
What is stealing is this:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3691170&page=1
The woman used kazaa and had a thousand or so tracks. The RIAA did NOT prove any copying even took place, merely that the songs were on her hard drive and potentially ’shareable’. For this she loses $222,000 USD? That is stealing — from an individual like you or me by a f**king cartel. Yes a cartel. Do some basic research. Cartel — What south american drug lords, OPEC, the RIAA, and MPAA have in common?
By the way, to all those so-called pro-american, pro-capitalist types that post in defense of the RIAA/MPAA’s actions:
If you support the existence of cartels, you’re completely full of crap.
If you’d've asked me 6 months ago, I’d've told you to fuck off for writing that shit, but that was before I started keeping an eye on the news…now I cannot look at a CD…it makes me ill.
I will download and download and download even more, ILLEGALLY (mind you), and share the fuck out of these files, and make it known, that you have lost a customer who spent +$600 per record store visit…
You fucked up, CRIA. [note : i do not use demonoid. i'm more of a TPB kinda guy ;-) ]
If only i had more than one digg to give
This is awesome.
I am a huge lover of music of all different genres. Unfortunately the RIAA is what is wrong with America.I am an American , one of the few who is educated enough to see how multinational corporations expand rights that do not belong to them. As far as I know the RIAA, CRIAA, MPAA do not own the internet!They instead choose to distort copyright law so they can force people to buy there music alone. Unfortunately when the main stream media is owned by partners of the conglomerates you will never hear any pro digital rights arguments in the media at all and it is a shame. But it has always been like this since the begining of time when as Carl Marx put it exploitation takes place at the hands of the powerful enforceing their will on the subordinate classes of people. Do you ever wonder how these companies got their copyrights? hrough bribing lobbyist who are buddy buddy with the rich and powerful aka cartels like the RIAA and CRIAA…ect. Here is another lost customer of the music industry!
Best. Letter. Ever.
Same thing goes for the movies. If hollywood would quit putting out so much crap. And quit remaking everything from the past 20 years people might actually go to the movies more. What happened to all of the fresh new ideas for movies when i was a kid.
One word: Amen.
[quote comment="180613"]Nice letter, music fan man. I have also refrained from buying cd and what not simply because the market is flooded my mainstream crap; I’m tired about hearing Rihanna a billionth time on a dance floor or some other rap crap (old rap was good, the old ones from way back. Actually sang about people, no sex, bling, rims, suvs, hoes, etc, like today).
Every time that I do go to a store that sells audio media, I can’t find for the life of me, any trance music. I stay there for hours and I can’t find any, just a bunch of radio crap.
I then come back to the internets to get what I need. I sometimes also have to get my cd’s outside of Canada, like in Europe to get my trance.
|sarc| I congratulate the RIAA and CRIA, way to promote other genres of music.|sarc.end|
I see soo much dance music, unfortunately, its crap that is heard on the radio.
I do hope that the music industry, not the MPAA (I love watching my movies in the theatres), does die in flames or quietly. As well as anti-p2p and ant-piracy orgs., may they die as well.[/quote]
/signed
hear hear!
The music was here before RIAA\CRIAA and it will be here after.
I have to take umbrage with the suggestion that Lemmy is ugly.
:)
This looks way too much like China blocking google IMO
ya know, isint the porn industry the biggest money making industry? isint it also the most pirated? do they complain?
Anyone who knows the situation in Canada knows that the CRIA went to court several times and were basically thrown out. The Canadian courts have made it quite clear that they will not decide the fate of file sharing. They have passed it down to our policy makers, who won’t do anything right now, because the CRIA and the Industry is getting compensation for that, by our Government. Plus for them to take action would be considered by many in Canada as a fundamental right to privacy issue as well, and this situation if true would be plastered all over the place in mainstream media (Radio/TV). I have yet to hear a peep out of mainstream about this.
A threatening letter is one thing, actually knowing your legal position in another. The CRIA is a lobby group with no legal merit in our courts. I highly doubt they would send a “letter” out demanding all Canadians be blocked. That to me says this is a cruel joke right there. It would be a more likely of Demonoid receiving a “Statement of Claim” (which is a legal court document and traceable) if the CRIA wanted to take action.
I work in the recording industry. The CRIA is under opposition big time from some of our top artists and music creators in Canada for the way they have been handling things:
http://www.musiccreators.ca/wp/
I don’t think the CRIA moved to threaten Demonoid, in the matter everyone is talking about. I would be very surprised if this turned out to be true. Money has NOT been losses from downloading music, quite the opposite! Attendance in Live Performances are up huge! 2006 saw record numbers in digital music sales. CD Sales are down, because more and more people are purchasing legal digital music through legal digital distribution channels like Itunes etc. Plus us Canadians are PAYING for our downloads anyway because every time we buy any recordable media like blank discs, Ipods etc, we pay a “levy” that goes directly into the pockets of the CRIA members. We’re talking millions here. Any court case with Demonoid will be thrown out just on that. The CRIA is already getting compensation, they can’t sue for more. Demonoid can’t be held responsible anyway, no media files where hosted on the site. Where does it say in or laws that we can’t host “torrent” files?
In any case it wasn’t the CRIA that blocked Canadians or shut the Canadians out, it was Demonoid. The music industry has changed as per this letter this “former music buyer” wrote quite clearly on exactly how it’s changed, however this “letter” is nothing new. CRIA already knows this, so does most of the world. It’s been happing since the mid 90’s I think the CRIA and others kind of get the grasp of consumer trends. SOME of them actually have brains.
Many know all about this in the industry and have adapted to it, including members of the CRIA who are now offering up free music downloads. If Demonoid wants to shut Canadians out, well too bad for them. There are other torrent sites out there, that are just as good if not better then Demonoid. I think us Canadians would rather be with a torrent site that’s run by people who would actually look into the matter then tuck tail and run, and not take the time to examine the facts.
Whether this Merrlinne person works for the Canadian government or not (she sure has a lot of spelling mistakes in her response), it’s up to Demonoid to have all the facts on this case before taking action. Demonoid will be the ones loosing out and looking like compete twits. Those Demonoid guys need to chill out and have a beer eh, and maybe source this out, because as others and as member of the recording industry, I personally believe there’s no legal merit for what they have done, and no purpose behind it. It doesn’t make any sense to me why the CRIA would ask to have all Canadians blocked knowing the legal situation in Canada. Thus I firmly believe that this very well could be the biggest prank on a torrent site ever played, and Demonoid will end up extremely red faced after all is said and done. There are many of us in this industry that this has gotten to, and know the CRIA has NO pull on our courts here, and that Demonoid did not seek legal advice!!
I hope this gets back to the admins at Demonoid since I can’t seem to contact them because I’M BLOCKED!!!
would anyone blame me if i went and BOMBed RIAA//MPAA/CRIAA/MD/whatever offices?
the world would be sutch a better place.. :D
they are terrorists against their own people..
Everyone who feels strongly about this should boycotted buying music until access to Demonoid is re-allowed; if CRIA and the RIAA feel sites like Demonoid hurt sales, maybe it’s time they find out what blocking those site does. Oh and CRIA, since we’re being blocked from downloading, CANCEL THE LEVY ON BLANK MEDIA. I’m SICK of paying extra money to YOU whenever I use a CD/DVD to back up MY OWN PHOTOGRAPHY WORK.
Wonderful open letter. CRIA, RIAA and all the others is gang of corrupt dope addicted greedy anal fuckers! The actual music industry do produce crap! It sounds all the same stinky shit. Go down corrupt music industry!
The last CD I bought (about 2 years ago) would play in the CD-player at my home, but wouldn’t play in the CD-player of my car, because of some DRM crap on the disc.
I haven’t bought a CD since, and I don’t intend to unless it has a sticker “DRM-Free” on top.
Meanwhile I listen to radio and the CDs I already have.
PS: I never downloaded any music.
could someone e-mail me an invite to oink please? toooneproductions@yahoo.com
Amen.
Can we all start abducting members of the MAFIA?
well said..
Hip Hip Hoo-f**king-ray!
Good job mate. Eloquent, intelligent and well stated.
I can’t tell you how impressed I am with how succinctly this letter summarized my feelings.
Here’s hoping this doesn’t fall on deaf ears.
ColdFission:
“old rap was good, the old ones from way back. Actually sang about people, no sex, bling, rims, suvs, hoes, etc, like today”
Ohh no, there’s good rap now (I guess it’s all called “hip-hop” now) but it’s not what’s mainstream. Hip-hop isn’t just about lyrics, it’s about the production and the beat, the lyrics and how it ties together. It’s not all about bling and how awesome you are; there’s a lot of great music that isn’t like that. Unfortunately, it’s more difficult to find.
And I don’t know where you’re from, but “way back rap” had plenty of people rapping about sex, drugs, and bling. (Remember NWA?)
While I do live in Canada, a few minutes Googling and I’m back on Demonoid. Use a proxy like:
http://www.ultrareach.com/company/download.htm
http://zend2.com/
And stealing is when you deprive someone of something, yet the majority of downloading people do is for music they would not be buying anyway. 60% of the music I download I end up deleting, but the stuff I like I’m likely to buy and go see live.
To the Canadian music rep. You are saying what I’ve been saying all along. CRIA did not do it. I proxied my way onto demonoid. I tried to get intelligent answers to some questions. I got stonewalled. I have permanently disconnected myself from this site. As far as I am concerned, this whole thing is a figment of Deimos’ imagination. This whole thing is a lie. Deimos will not release this alleged letter. My apologies to you and your industry for the idiotic behavior that comes from this Deimos’ demented demonoid herd of mental midgets. Anyone who has a brain and knows a little about the law knows that this stuff cannot happen.
I still have peers with canadian ip’s on demonoid torrents. They don’t have the X or H flag, so they must come from the tracker. So the tracker isn’t blocked, only the site?
To industry rep. In re Merrlinnes spelling errors. You have a few in your letter as well. Just because a person’s fingers don’t move as fast as their brain, doesn’t mean that they don’t work for the government. I have friends who work for the federal government and they can’t spell shit without a spell checker. If they could find it.
Take a heartless (thug )industry out of music/movies/art!
tech further cuts out the crunch of monetizing Art.
heading Full-circle from beginnings, out of industries’ hands…. Bring on the future~!
—–
If i care to donate money then it’s up to me— direct to the artists only to support their efforts…
— Industry is dead or at best dieing :-)
BRAVO!!!
I think this might be the best letter on this topic I’ve ever read.
For me personally, what the CRIA and others are doing make me even more of an activist and want to get involved even more in file sharing.
Truer words were never spoken. Well done.
PS I would be interested in their reply.
Gary, read post 111
Very well put. Sadly, there are millions of people who realize this and it seems the only ones who do not are the record label executives. Respect.
Just to further add to my statement. I publically call on Demonoid to release any information to the public on this matter, so that it may be looked on by those of us in Canada can get a clear representation on what happened here.
Those of us who are in this industry and support P2P are very curious to see what the truth is, and I think Demonoid has a responsibility to come clean with what has actually happened.
I would ask that all those who have accounts with Demonoid, gather together and set a side a day without Demonoid, meaning no one seeds on Demonoid for 1 day in protest to find out what the truth is here.
Unless Demonoid releases these “letters” then this whole thing to me anyway is a complete scam to grab headlines.
TO: industry rep. If this is a scam to grab headlines, then it failed miserably. I have seen nothing in the mainstream media. We have been calling for the release of this alleged letter from the beginning. His intransigence in this matter is doing nothing but harm to the peer to peer community. But at this late date the release of any document should be viewed with a jaundiced eye, even if it is certified true copy. As a former graphic artist working in newspapers and magazines, I produced many bogus documents and pictures for publication. I think that the only way to clear this up is for Deimos to be totally forthcoming and forthright,apologise and then shut down and get out of Canada. We don’t need his type here. I am beginning to wonder about the reasons for him leaving Holland.
Deimos started something and it’s backfired. He has backed himself into a corner. There is no honourable way out for him other than to fall on his sword. Do the honourable thing, Deimos. Release the alleged letter. Then shut up and shut down. Move to another country. You are no longer welcome here. Our hospitality towards you is over. Leave, before it becomes outright hostility.
Alex -> True that documents can be forged, but those of us in the industry can verify the source and deem it true, or false, there are ways of doing that, as you know.
I agree with snipers response on this. It’s time that Deimos comes clean. I’m not asking this just on behalf of the users of Demonoid, but I’m asking this on behalf of those who support P2P in the Canadian music industry. We need to know what happened here. Deimos must publically release these “letters”.
[quote comment="180868"]its like musical civil war demonoid being the North and record industry being the racist South. Pay attention to history and see who is gonna WIN[/quote]
And the historically ignorant once again raise their heads…
The North had the larger armies, a Darth Vader-esque approach to casualties, and would sink to any level to defeat whoever they saw as an enemy.
The South consistently beat larger armies and continually stayed on the defensive, even when given the opportunity to capture DC and have Lincoln’s head (for which they would’ve bee well justified).
Go read a history book, preferably not one approved by the establishment you claim to hate so much.
[quote comment="180615"]Would you like an invite to OiNK?[/quote]
Yes I would like an invite to oink if you have one thanks.
Rollin_Jukebox@yahoo.ca
well said
To rep, alex, sniper. Right on, guys. Us canucks are a kind, caring, generous, sharing, even forgiving people. But don’t piss us off. Deimos has abused our hospitality. He has disrespected us and crapped on us and must go. We are not the idiots he thinks we are. I no longer care about the truth behind this event. Deimos has damaged his reputation beyond repair. Get out. Go to hell. Or in your case Deimos, go to heaven.
Who the hell the cares. So Demonoid is baned from Canada. Go to mininova, piratebay, isohunt, or any other torrent site.
The quality of music has gone down in MY opinion. The “music industry” needs to spend more time MAKING music than recycling, reusing and finding every which way to squeeze a penny out of music enthusiasts and teenagers
the is no LAND OF THE FUCKING FREE!!! DICKHEADS
I wouldn’t know about that, dribbler. I did all right in France. In Holland. however, they do charge for it. But that was a legal red-light zone. If you’re dribbling, go see a doctor. Penicillin cures a lot of things.
It is too bad that no one knows what is happening over in demonoid land. Being a closed society they leave themslve open to a lot of speculation. Speculations like perhaps deimos, supposedly coming from Yugoslavia, is paranoid about the government, our laws and being an open and honest person. Deimos, this is Canada. You have nothing to fear here. No one is going to put you up against a wall and shoot you. Release the letter. Release yourself from the hole you’ve dug for youself. Confession is good for the soul. Then go see a psychiatrist. You seem to have a lot of Iron Curtain, Cold War secrecy mentalities to purge. Or download and listen to some Marianne Faithful. It has been called music to slit your wrists by. Either way, be a man and end the bullshit.
[quote comment="181515"]It is too bad that no one knows what is happening over in demonoid land. Being a closed society they leave themslve open to a lot of speculation. Speculations like perhaps deimos, supposedly coming from Yugoslavia, is paranoid about the government, our laws and being an open and honest person. Deimos, this is Canada. You have nothing to fear here. No one is going to put you up against a wall and shoot you. Release the letter. Release yourself from the hole you’ve dug for youself. Confession is good for the soul. Then go see a psychiatrist. You seem to have a lot of Iron Curtain,[/quote]You’re soooo far off. Deimos started to behave in that way (to the outside world) as a direct result of pure first-hand experiences and the best of advice from people with more experience in the field! I’ve known him from before demonoid, and I know what he is like. Contrary to what many think, he’s an old-school scene member, he knows exactly how far to go with this. The reason you can still all enjoy demonoid’s tracker is because of his caution. Be thankful that he only reveals things on a need to know basis. It has saved him jail-time many times over.
at root regarding: Be thankful that he only reveals things on a need to know basis. It has saved him jail-time many times over.
You prove my point. He’s a paranoid nut job. The cold war is over. This is Canada. P2P exchanges are lawful here. There is no need for this B.S. Nobody gos to jail for running a torrent site. As for know how far to go, he’s gone too far with this. It is totally unnecessary right from the get-go. In another way he hasn’t gone far enough. He hasn’t gone from here. I repeat what others have said. He’s abused our hospitality. Get the fuck out, Deimos. By the way I don’t enjoy demonoid’s tracker. I bailed out permanently when he pulled this infantile stunt.
to:root@your.server
regarding: the reason you can still all enjoy demonoid’s tracker…
What sort of shit are you trying to pull? I’m in Canada and i can’t “enjoy” it. I can’t even proxy access it. Count me in as a supporter of the fuck you Deimos club. If he’s been acting this way for a while as you say he has, then he should drop those “friends” and their paranoia about the “outside world” and see a shrink. Deimos obviously has some deep seated issues that need tending to. Wake up, smell the coffee, get real Mr, root.
He’s everything BUT a paranoid nut-job. If a person like you would start, setup and admin both a bittorrent tracker and a torrent community and indexing website, it would last maybe a year at the most. Demonoid is not mininova or isohunt or torrentz or any of those, it is a famous and widely used tracker, tracking millions of TV-shows you probably didn’t even realize were tracked by demonoid’s tracker.
And it’s pretty clear you really have no clue what you would be dealing with when you run a torrent tracker. Go create your own, and we’ll see who’s still there about two years from now. Wanna bet it will be Deimos laughing at you, and not the other way around?
The reason the dutch law had nothing on him was exactly *because* of his silence where needed. The Dutch have succesfully taken down others, mind you. The site being in Canada is merely coincidence, having to do with cost, speed and offers at the time he had to move stuff around. In case you haven’t noticed:
The Internet knows no territorial boundaries, and speaking about ‘hospitality’ makes no sense whatsoever. Your claims are pathetic, and look like those coming from a drug-addict trying to get clean. I think Deimos will not miss users like you, and chances are pretty high he will get out of Canada in the not so distant future, but definitely not because of you.
Have you even considered what would happen if he’d be as open as you would have wanted him to be? Try and use what’s left of your brain; It would become mainstream Canadian news, in the end forcing him to get out even earlier than he’d want, and worse: Be sued by even bigger fish.
Unless you PAY him for the offered services, which you don’t and never have, you have no reason whatsoever to call this an ‘infantile stunt’. It’s pretty clear that YOU are the nutcase here, and it’s infantile to behave patriotic regarding some hosting spot. You’re a fool. Not worthy of my or Deimos’ time.
root@your.server says that he’s known Deimos for a long time. He also says “he knows exactly how far to go with this.” Is this an indication that this whole stupid, infantile affair is the sole responsibility of a demented Deimos? There was no letter? Root also says “he started to act this way…” Good God Almighty, if there is any veracity to any this, then Deimos is a certifiable nut-bar. Revoke his visa, if he has one, and drop him down a deep, dark hole. We don’t need his type of jackass here. He can go back to Yugoslavia and play his childish games there. But get this headcase out of here. The hospitality is over, Deimos. Go.
root@your.server. Are you an idiot too? Good God, man read what you have written. I’ll do some quotes here. 1)”The reason the dutch law had nothing on him was exactly *because* of his silence where needed. The Dutch have succesfully taken down others…
REPLY:This is Canada. If you did a little basic research, you would know that these activities are perfectly lawful here.
2)”Have you even considered what would happen if he’d be as open as you would have wanted him to be? Try and use what’s left of your brain; It would become mainstream Canadian news, in the end forcing him to get out even earlier than he’d want, and worse: Be sued by even bigger fish.”
REPLY: What the fuck are you on about? Or, what sort of illicit drugs are you using? See my reply above. So, the only idiots around here are you and Deimos and anyone else who doesn’t have the brain power to do a little legal research. So, Fuck you too Jack. If you can’t fit in to the laws and customs of the land, then get the fuck out. And take your petty attempts at insult with you, they don’t even sting a tiny bit.
[quote comment="180822"]to pal. Nice avoidance job, pal. Do the ad hominem attack rather than discussing the issues raised. Go kiss Dumb-asses ring. By the way, you forgot to add ” your mother is an army boot.” Which she was. And tough as nails too. I repeat- CRIA did not shut himdown. He’s shutting himself down. Imploding. Get a brain and you’d see it. Stop being an imp toady.[/quote]
First off sincere regrets for any personal attack.. I was just copying you and your attack on Deinos… Glad you understand that your personal attack on Deinos was shallow and unproductive… so we can continue….
Well my mother may or may not be an army boot…you would not know just ….. Just like you may or may not have privileged information the kind that even Deimos does not have.. However Deimos is not required to inform you or anyone else of the goings on. It’s in his discretion… people can whine all they want but any LaMeR NeWBie pEEp can get on Demonoid…. yes even from Canada… all you got to do is spoof your IP…. can’t get much easier then downloading and installing one more piece of code….geez how easy can it get.?? Hide your IP Platinum works great or if you’re too lazy to install then use one of the many IP spoofing servers…. and bingo you’re in as before…. /But I will repeat Deimos owes nothing to people who use Denonoid for free or donate voluntarily…. He can freak out all he likes…. After all it’s not you head on the line IT’s HiS!!!!!!
root@your.server -> If Deimos wanted to exercise caution, why would he jump to the gun, and ban Canadian users in the first place without checking the source of this letter first before acting on it?
The first thing I would do in a case like this is verify the source. His hosting provider has come out publically and denied any communication with the CRIA or any Law firm representing the CRIA.
“Neither Netelligent nor any of our upstream providers have received any communications from [the] CRIA or any lawyer representing [the] CRIA,” company spokesman Billy Krassakopoulos told p2pnet.
http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13524
Many have contacted the CRIA who have denied any involvement and Deimos has denied any access to the public on these letters.
That’s recognizing caution. He’s in the hot seat right now for jumping the gun. Taking action based on a letter without knowing the source is not smart.
There’s nothing the CRIA can do to him that would invoke his silence on this matter. The silence he’s taken isn’t smart at all, it’s a further statement that he has yet to understand his legal rights here, and is creating a lot of resentment towards him and this site. The smart move would to come out clean on his mistake, and offer up some apology to his Canadian users before this gets way out of hand.
root@your.server wrote: “it’s infantile to behave patriotic regarding some hosting spot. You’re a fool. Not worthy of my or Deimos’ time.”
Guy’s you’re in my country. You set up shop here. You pulled an infantile stunt. You cut off our access to the site. How do you think we should feel, thankful? You are an arrogant son of a bitch, sir. We are not worthy of your or dumbass’ time? Well then, leave. Good riddance. Take your superiority complex and shove it up your ass. But you will have to remove your heads first.
Join the chat at demonoid for more on all this gossip. Deimos was just there, and it’s all true. And for those claiming hey can’t join because they’re in Canada: Cut the crap, irc.p2p-network.net is not closed for .ca IP-space. Look for the channel #Demonoid and stop making up half-assed stories.
root@your.server wrote “Join the chat at demonoid for more on all this gossip. Deimos was just there, and it’s all true.”
What’s all true? All the ‘nice’ things said about him here? Or the fact that the whole thing is an infantile stunt? Or that he royally fucked-up? Why should we join in when he has already gone? Why should we believe anyone on that website who claims to be Dumbass? I could say I’m God, but that wouldn’t make it true. Is he holding a press conference and publically releasing the alleged letter? Go away and root yourself, root.
Thank you mr. poster of post #153. That is like announcing the second coming of Christ after He has ascended into heaven once more. Thank you very much for the heads-up. Got any more good news?
Well, clearly it will be his word against yours then, right? Considering that it’s his website, his idea, his project, and that he does not have any reason to ‘ban’ Canadians from his site, he will have valid reason to do what he does best: Try and keep (inferno.)demonoid up and running.
root@your.server has just stated this: “…he does not have any reason to ‘ban’ Canadians from his site,…”
But he did, didn’t he? And for no reason other than some cockamamie made-up song and dance about some alleged letter. Can you say bullshit? You must, because you’re full of it.
root@your.server -> So let me get this strait, we’re supposed to believe him, over his ISP, and the CRIA who both deny this letter being sent out. On what his word? Where’s the proof?
Deimos just got what he wanted. Notice by the Canadian media. The Globe and Mail (a Canadian national newspaper) posted a short story about this messy little fiasco. It isn’t much of a story but it’s a beginning. The pressure is just starting Deimos. Hold a press conference and produce the alleged letter. It’s for the better that the truth comes out now, not later. Things can only get worse unless you come forth. Your reputaion, such as it is, is on the line.
If i were CRIA, I’d be talking to my lawyers right now. I wonder if Deimos can be sued in civil court under some misrepresntation, defamation, libel/slander sections of the law. Any real lawyers out there who could comment on this? He really is bringing CRIA into disrepute. (wether or not we like or understand CRIA, they appear to be the victim, here)
I think that Deimos has gone over the line on this one and needs to be reeled in.
Hank: CRIA couldn’t care a tinker’s damn about Demonoid. They flick it off like the booger it is. While there may be grounds somewhere, it wouldn’t look good for them. It would be really messy. The big, bad wolf taking on Robbing Hood, as it were. No, I think that they are intelligent enough to just let Deimos self-destruct. Which he is doing quite successfully. I think that we should look towards healing the P2P community from the damage done by this sordid little affair. There is going to be a smoking hole in the web where demonoid used to be.
When are people going to wise up and realize that both the CRIA and the RIAA are more than just watchdogs (or shall I call them attack dogs,) for the record industry. Both organizations have numerous contributors and members that are also heavily involved in politics. It matters not, what country or countries are trying to stop filesharing. The governments are involved more than people are ready to admit, and they have one, and only one, goal in mind: Thought and speech control. Read “1984″ by George Orwell, and you will see, that everything that is going on today as far as the filesharing debate, the crap artists that get promoted over artists that are worth listening to, it’s all to force feed us what they think we need, and not at all what we want.
I an others have been following this with close eyes in the industry, especially over the past few days with that poor old mother who was sued $220,000. I would love to see who those 24 songs she was sharing belonged to, and make sure that those artists agree with suing a single mom to the bones is the right thing to do for their continued success in the industry.
I think there’s a lot of pressure on this situation with Deimos to come up with proof on this situation, not only on the industry side, but end users as well. This is a controversial topic here in Canada, and one that has a further reach then just on Deimos.
I sympathize with the position Deimos may be in right now, but know with the mainstream media keeping a close eye on what happened recently in the US, we will get to the bottom of what happened here.
Good response Alex on 159! Excellent, and very true. Here’s the link to that story.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071005.WBcyberia20071005171642/WBStory/WBcyberia
As we all hold our breath, lets see how this now unfolds. Good luck Deimos, you’re about to get the Canadian Response to Bull.
I wish I could agree, but I don’t pay for jack.
“Contrary to what many think, he’s an old-school scene member, he knows exactly how far to go with this. The reason you can still all enjoy demonoid’s tracker is because of his caution. Be thankful that he only reveals things on a need to know basis. It has saved him jail-time many times over.”
– You don’t know Canadian law, so you’re forgiven. Deimos is not though. I, as many many other Canadians, don’t take very kindly to being lied to. If he doesn’t want to give us access anymore for a particular reason, then he should just say that.
But LYING OUT OF HIS ASS ABOUT A SO CALLED “LEGAL LETTER”, is the worst thing possible. Most of us in Canada know the law, and I immediately smelled bullshit when Demonoid came back online with that message.
This is fucking CANADA. To do ANY action, it has to be sanctioned by the courts. Not like in the USA, where all you have to do is say “Patriot Act” and you have full access to what ever you want.
Deimos has scarred himself and his club of followers for years to come. This is on par with what Loki did, and will forever be remembered. Anyone that I see supporting Deimos right now, they just seem like they are followers. These are the type of people that, when Demonoid went down, ran around like chickens with their heads cut off. And when they were given alternatives, they refused them because “DEMONOID 1S g0|)!!!!”.
Hey jackasses, ever here the expression, don’t put all your eggs in one basket? Or in this instance, a basket-case.
You say that we didn’t pay for services? What the hell do you know?! I was donating every month to that fuck twat, and what do I get for it? I have to proxy my way into his site, because he’s a nut job. That seems right, doesn’t it? Must be missing something in the meta-data.
“If i were CRIA, I’d be talking to my lawyers right now. I wonder if Deimos can be sued in civil court under some misrepresntation, defamation, libel/slander sections of the law.”
– Legally, you need more evidence then just a web page saying “CRIA sent me a letter”.
You’d need the actual ‘letter’, and him on record saying the CRIA sent him it.
As I don’t believe said letter exists, that would be quite difficult to do. But I agree, the CRIA should take some sort of action, because they are getting all sorts of negative attention (RE: the topic of this blog entry) in all sorts of media.
[quote comment="181552"]to:root@your.server
regarding: the reason you can still all enjoy demonoid’s tracker…
What sort of shit are you trying to pull? I’m in Canada and i can’t “enjoy” it. I can’t even proxy access it. Count me in as a supporter of the fuck you Deimos club. If he’s been acting this way for a while as you say he has, then he should drop those “friends” and their paranoia about the “outside world” and see a shrink. Deimos obviously has some deep seated issues that need tending to. Wake up, smell the coffee, get real Mr, root.[/quote]
Are you saying you can’t even setup and spoof your IP ahahahah C’mon… How come everybody else can..? Your not the only Canadian here… You want help all you got to do is ask.. But really, that bit of software pretty much sets itself up…NO JOKE!! Don’t blame the code blame your self..!! In fact don’t blame anyone just get some help……. Spoofing is childs play….. As far as the rant about someone you don’t even know… Do you read the Enquirer I’ll bet you do….lol
[quote comment="18164]
You say that we didn’t pay for services? What the hell do you know?! I was donating every month to that fuck twat, and what do I get for it? I have to proxy my way into his site, because he’s a nut job. That seems right, doesn’t it? Must be missing something in the meta-data.[/quote]
Go ahead blame the Americans But remember our government has brown lips from kissing American ass…. Why do you think we are in Afghanistan..?!!! but I digress… You have no more facts then anybody else so it’s fair to say you just feel sorry for yourself boo hoo…. Donations while nice and helpful to a cause give you privileges not rights..!! Demonoid owes you a big fat zero..!! You act like its so hard to proxy your way into Demonoid… That just is not the case… While it might have been nice if things had been handled differently We really don’t know who is spinning the bull here.. lets remember that the CRIA is not Canadian and they have professional spin doctors plotting their next move from their American boss’s. Also remember that the people of Canada are just as poorly served by their government as our American bro’s are by theirs.. Don’t mistake Canadian ineffectiveness with apathy
because it will jump out and bite you…hehe Calling a person you’ve never met or talked to a bunch of
names is neither factual or valid… Stop feeling sorry for yourself using a proxy is NO big deal…!!!
Anonymous at post 167. You demonoid jerk. I’m not a newbie you fricking moron. It’s something at your end and it’s another asshole. As for the Enquirer, I’ll bet you’re one of the genetically distorted monkeys on the cover who can’t even read.
oh dear. It looks as if the demonoid imps are crawling from their holes again. Get out the bug swatters people. Anonymous, and Pal, get a brain guys. Get an education. Grow up. Get a job. Get a life. Or get laid for shit’s sake. Do something other than showing off to the world that you are to dumb to think for yourselves. Stop kissing Dumb-ass’ rosey red ring.
“You act like its so hard to proxy your way into Demonoid… That just is not the case… While it might have been nice if things had been handled differently We really don’t know who is spinning the bull here.. lets remember that the CRIA is not Canadian”
– You are an idiot, and I’d rather appreciate it if you don’t put words into my mouth. I can speak just fine, thank you. Because you see, I am a product of Canadian schooling, and not USA’s.
I did not say it’s difficult to proxy into the site. Actually, with FireFox, it’s easier then it has ever been.
The fact of the matter is, this community did not expand to the magnitude it is today because people refused access to a group of people! This community thrives on open-ness and honesty amoungest each other. This community requires a certain level of trust. If we cannot trust Deimos to tell the truth in this matter, how can you trust him or his cronies in any other capacity?
Blocking access to a country, the country you’re in no-less, raises more questions then gives answers. He DOES have something to answer for, because he positioned himself in such a way, that he became an important part of the community, as did Loki and the Suprnova team(and if you STILL don’t understand the reference, WIKI it, shit for brains).
The community is in a state where we are getting more publicity, good or bad, and it’s causing things to be put into motion. The MediaDefender debacle is a win for us, yes, but all it takes is one wrong Government decision, and everything goes to hell. We are on the ropes here, as we always were, but we’re closer to the precipice then you realize. WE DO NOT NEED LIES AND SLANDER in the community. It’s time for Deimos to grow the fuck up, admit he lied, and go away, so someone else can take his place.
The CRIA might not be Canadian, BUT THEY ARE LOCATED IN CANADA. This means they FOLLOW CANADIAN LAW. It doesn’t matter if they are lying when they say “Oh, we didn’t send a letter”. The BIGGER PICTURE (something you fucks don’t seem to see) is that HERE, the courts make the decisions. If the CRIA was serious about taking legal action, there is a process, a DOCUMENTED PROCESS, in which they could do so. And then the judges would, quite rightly, THROW THEM OUT ON THEIR FUCKING ASSES.
And as for calling people names, apparently on TorrentFreak, you can say whatever you feel like. So I call ‘em like I see them. If you met me IRL, I would also call it like I see it. If you’re an asshat, I say such. If you’re a liar, then I will never come near you again. And although I never used Demonoid regularily, only for rare torrents, I can find everything I want IN OTHER PLACES. I don’t give two shits on what tracker the files are on, as long as the operator is trusted, and knows what the hell he’s doing. With Demonoid, such is not the case.
Oh and as for our government kissing up to the USA… That’s Harper’s fault. And if I remember, the majority of the country VOTED FOR HARPER. Even though he SAID quite CLEARLY that he would be-friend the USA (which is obviously a bad thing). But people are two self-centred (like yourself) that they didn’t realize what that meant. And look at where that has gotten us now. Yes, our dollar is worth more, right now, but that doesn’t mean dick all at the moment. You quite rightly pointed out Afgahnastan, and who was responsible for that? The conservatives! And there’s a whole list of bullshit Harper has pulled (ie. trying to appeal to Quebec, and almost starting another referendum) So when Oct 10th rolls around, be the follower you are and vote PC. I’d like to see how they can fuck this country more.
by n3l87. Your posts seem to be aimed at someone, in response to something they said. Could you please drop their nom-de-web in your missive? People could then check back on the original. That way people would have a greater understanding of your writing. Thank you.
Addenda to Post 173. You could also put in the post number. Thank you.
To Whom It May Concern at the TorrentFreak:
Why don’t you guys write a comprehensive walkthrough about setting up a VPN, to help Canadians get somehow to Demonoid?
Why the heck someone would want to go back on Demonoid after this is beyond me. Why bother “spoofing”. Demonoid blocked a lot of Canadians, and most of us won’t bother with “spoofing” when it’s easier just to find another torrent site. Plus with the heat on Demonoid right now, and what this dude has done, there’s probably not a lot of good seeders out there, and if there is, it’ll be short lived once this gets into the mainstream.
As for those of you worried about this having repercussions on previous court rulings and laws here in Canada because of this, you have nothing to worry about. No matter the outcome of what Demonoid got or didn’t get, there are more supporters of P2P in the music industry then there are lobbyists. The supporters are not covered by the media as well as they should be because many of these media companies that own Newspapers/TV/Radio have financial dealings with the companies the CRIA and RIAA represent.
The government won’t touch it. Artists use P2P as a promotional tool now, and in the very near future, recorded music will globally be accepted as a way of promotions then money. This stupid fight been going on for years now, and everyone has had to change to adapt to it and to survive. We’ve had no choice. It’s a new industry now. The US is just still engaged in their most beloved past time in suing everything that moves. I think that’s going to change after the recent court case. I think all of you will start to see the negative impact that $220,000 lawsuit is about to have on the recording industry down there, and what we’ve been trying to avoid up here, which will be the collapse of the industry itself.
The Americans would sue a cat if it shit on their lawns. That won’t happen here. Our courts can’t handle the amount of BS the US system does, and our Judges made it very clear that we would not tolerate an US court system here, thus levies were imposed on recordable media for compensation and the legal private download of a media file on P2P that EVERYONE agreed to. No snap government decision is going to change that, because of the growing numbers of supporters for P2P within the industry in Canada.
This will be the last post I post on this thread. What ever happened with Demonoid it doesn’t matter. Us Canadians know how to sniff out BS from a mile away (Most of us are educated in our laws here) and everyone here should treat this in true Canadian fashion:
Smoke a joint, or pipe. Raise your right hand in a fist, and extend the middle finger to Demonoid, and it’s admins. Find somewhere else to get your music from. Fuck this proxy BS. It’s their loss and humiliation on ours. Why should we support them, when this guy is hosted in Canada and banned Canadians, regardless of his reasons.
Nice letter (if the cria is really at fault). Either way… Proxy demonoid and avoid this bs. As a Canadian user of demonoid I think we may need to consider moving to a different site and influencing that site with our participation. Using proxy to access torrents is only good for foreigners (like Americans) and as a Canadian (not speaking for just myself I hope) other Canadians who are not as savy as the rest of us are as much a part of the torrent community as we are. The facts are we need the numbers (although I speculate that maybe the increase in number of Canadian users is the real reason that Demonoid had to shut down their site to Canadians because of too much local traffic??). Just a theory I’m throwing out there but if it may be the real reason behind the shut down.
Trent Reznor recently slammed his record company on stage for not lowering overinflated cd prices in Australia recently (google it, you’ll find the youtube footage) and Radioheads recent response to downloading!!! Finally someone’s got it right. I go to alot of concerts and finding music via a tight torrent community is the number one way I do it (and I have access to hundreds of new cds at a college radio station every month so what does that say about the state of the music industry today when I sometimes don’t see any of these cds ever hit our station??) Bands are the music industry now. Support them at their shows. Download their albums and buy their tshirts, vinyl, bumper stickers and hoodies at their shows. Live music will live on.
Good points, well made.
Lets hope they are listening!
Sure, he’s right on his letter, but bashing the music industry for selling crap music and only promoting that type of cheap music brings them the best profits, that’s what people listen to these days, not small bands.
Obviously AC/DC and Motorhead wouldnt succeed today, but you cant blame the music industry for wanting to make money and not being idealistic.
INDUSTRY, keep in mind it’s an insdustry, a big factory which needs profits and that has nothing to do with filesharing.
Now dont get me wrong, I agree with every word on that letter, but it just has nothing to do with filesharing.
Response to #173 anon — Okay. Let’s do a backlog here…
My post #165 – Directed at #144 & #147 by root@your.server
My post #166 – Response to $160 by Hank
My posts #171 & #172 – Directed at #168 by Pal
[quote comment="181611"]As we all hold our breath, lets see how this now unfolds. Good luck Deimos, you’re about to get the Canadian Response to Bull.[/quote]Oh he’s so scared! If your trackers are as open as those running on Deimos’ equipment, you won’t have much of a problem filling them up with users. And since demonoid’s content is in many cases quite exclusive, some angry freeloaders trying to make demonoid look bad won’t cause much movement in the world of bittorrent. Demand hugely overpowers your wishful thinking. Registration at demonoid is closed for a reason: It is overloaded as it is.
I’m truly surprised to see so many foolishly complain about demonoid, while on this very same site (look around!) you can see WHY running torrent-related services might not be as easy as you think. Especially not when those dumb patriots from Canada think they own rights to websites and projects they have nothing to do with. If your country is so free and permitting to all, then why don’t you set up your own torrent-server-park? Afraid, are you? Bunch of chicken shits.
to Canadian Music Industry Rep.
This was your last post? Too bad. We’ll miss your intelligence. You are a voice of sanity in this madness.
By the way, smoking a joint isn’t very ‘intelligent’ advice either;
http://smoking.ygoy.com/2007/08/09/smoking-weed-bad-for-lungs/
Interesting detail: Deimos has never smoked 1 cigarette or joint in his entire life.
to :root@your.server. @ post181
Until you stop being abusive (something you learned from Dumb-ass?) to the people here, we’re going to play whack-a-mole on your head everytime you crawl out of your dark, dank demonoid hole. There are problems and there are solutions. YOU are part of the problem. The problem is Dumb-ass pulled a stunt, lied and you and the rest of the imps are covering his calloused ass. Be part of the solution and demand that your hero release the alleged letter at a press conference. Until you do, you are just helping him stonewall the truth. And believe me, boy, the truth always comes out. The longer Dumb-ass hides behind a crumbling wall of stooges, the harder it will be for him and demonoid when the truth does come out. You’ve stuck you head up out of your hole once again, boy, now see the light. If you don’t want to see it, then crawl back in and root yourself.
root@your.server, post 183, says Dumb-ass never smoke a joint in his life. Maybe he should. There are medical benefits to it. Dumb-ass so tightly wired, he snapped. Chill out Root-bound, smoke a joint yourself. Calm down, breathe. Breathing is good. It gets oxygen to the brain. Try it sometime.
to root@your.server in re: …those dumb patriots from Canada think…
You arrogant, ignorant worm. You come to our country, set up shop, cut us off and now insult us. I normally don’t use profanity, but this time I’ll make an exception. If you don’t like it here, then get the fuck out. Go, now. You won’t be missed. The hospitality is over. The hostility begins. By the way, thank you for showing us exactly what you are. You have just driven the wedge deeper. Demonoid is isolating itself. Cutting itself off. Now go wither and die.
Has anybody given any thought to the fact that deimos doesn’t run his operation because he likes people and likes spreading torrents? It is a business. He makes a living by begging for donations. And people fall for it. Yes, demonoid is a business and they don’t like it when they’re caught in a lie. That is why we won’t see the Alleged CRIA letter. He made a monumental blunder and is now stone-walling it. Deimos is owed no loyalty. He is nothing more than a scamming little east-european scumbag posing as something he is not. He is so close to being a thief that it doesn’t matter. He would be doing do a great job, if he was a legitimate businessman. He doesn’t give a shit about the P2P community. He’s just in it for the money. How’s that european gypsy blood, deimos, running a little thin right now?
Deimos might not share that loving view on the NATO/military, because, in case you forgot: You’ve all supported bombing Belgrade once. Did he do something to deserve seeing his nation’s economy be blown to Smithereens? Of course not.
It’s not Deimos’ choice to do it this way, the most likely scenario is that he’s protecting you against your own government without you even realizing it. Compare it with the TorrentSpy story, only bigger;
US government versus the Canadian. The MPAA/RIAA does not like the Canadian rules, right? How do they get Canadian governors to change those rules? Have you ever considered the MPAA (or CRIA) paying some MediaDefender type company to log Canadian citizen’s behaviour with regards to demonoid, and then using the results as leverage against Canadian government’s decisions on these matters? One wrong decision or new patriot act, and demonoid would be gone.
And Alex:
You personify what’s wrong with so many people on your continent;
The Bush spirit. So many ‘Americans’ and ‘Canadians’ apparently still live in the dark ages, and think they somehow ‘own’ all rights to their part of the planet. Here’s news for you: You don’t. We live under one Sun, one Moon, breath the same air, drink the same water, use the same energy resources and share the same Internet. We have to, in order to survive against the corpolitical empires controlling our money, oil and entertainment, in order to survive natural or cosmic disasters. You’re not special, you’re not different, and you certainly don’t have more rights to anything online than us here in Europe (for example). The right to life, the right to social security and the right to an adequate standard of living is not boxed away for the chosen few in Canada. I’m not jealous of you, I feel sorry for you because you don’t get that. You still seem to think your location on the planet makes a difference for The Internet. It doesn’t. Luckily not all of you, but definitely the majority on your side of the ocean regards other continents as dangerous and less important. I think we are much less patriotic in our views over here. For us it doesn’t matter where we live, we live on Planet Earth, we’re not as proud being from or in some country somewhere, those barriers are too old-fashioned for P2P. Start thinking about humanity and Internet the right way, try to share one view worldwide, instead of making yourself some superior human being only because you’re there and others are not. That’s the source of nationwide IP-blocks as well; territorial rules. All that is so outdated it’s sick. We should all protest against those rules, worldwide. Making it on-topic again, because that’s what is hidden in “A former music buyer”’s message as well!
root@your.server How wrong you are. I don’t have all the time in the world to knock you down, point by point, so I’ll do it in one sentence. You are so far off-base, in everything you say, that you couldn’t find your way to the ballpark even with GPS. Stop trying to blow smoke up my, and everyone elses’ ass. Crawl back into your hole until Dumb-ass produces, at a press conference, the alleged letter from CRIA. He started it. Only he can finish it properly. HE and HE alone is responsible. It is past time he took the responsiblity for his actions. Stop being a stooge for that cretin.
Wow. Oh my God. Wow.
That is the best letter I have ever read. If I read that email at the CRIA I’d immediately re-open Demonoid.
But for now I’m stuck using shitty porn sites like TorrentSpy. Demonoid! I want it back!!!!!!!!
Mike -Try reading the posts. CRIA didn’t do it. They couldn’t do it. Canadian law wouldn’t allow them. It is deimos who tried to pull a fast one. He’s the shitty liar here. Everyone I’ve talked to wants demonoid to shut down and get out of Canada. We’re fed up with his bullshit.
yeah…i would like to know if the letter was real and if so….JUST DO LIKE PIRATEBAY…post the letter and your reply on the site… it’s so fuckin hilarious!
LONG LIVE TO P2P!!!!!!
Government controlled institutions by definition do not care about rules. They do as they please, until some group complains about it, and even then they’ll continue bending rules in their favor. The CRIA is no exception. I wouldn’t trust them for one minute. They get paid to lie.
Blondie,Blondie, Blondie, In this case it is Deimos who is the liar. Everything you said about Gov’t controlled institutions also applies to deimos. Go back and read the posts. It’s all been said.
No, it’s not been said. I only see people pretending to be from the CRIA, some girl pretending to have communicated with the CRIA, plus a lot of liars and cowards trying to look interesting and doing a lot of namecalling, meanwhile using demonoid’s tracker to download stuff. Offered the choice to either trust demonoid or the CRIA, guess what? I trust demonoid. Everybody should. It’s very simple: Cui bono?
demonoid has no beneficial outcome in blocking access for Canada, the MPAA+RIAA, thus the CRIA has.
I see now, blondie. There is no talking reason and fact to you. As for name calling, you are doing the exact same thing, calling people liars and cowards. If that is all you see, then maybe you should re-look. This time with your eyes wide open. An open mind, if you have a mind, wouldn’t hurt either. You’re just another demonoid imp. Go back and give deimos a b.j.
Blondie: If you would have read what’s infront of you then you’d understand that both the CRIAA and Deimos’s hosting provider has denied any involvement, and or communication with Demonoid. If you doubt that, then I would suggest you fire off an e-mail to all three parties and see for yourself.
Deimos has been on the hot seat to provide this “letter” that he got, and hasn’t because he knows what he recieved is full of shit.
You said: “demonoid has no beneficial outcome in blocking access for Canada”
I believe that Demonoid has recieved a letter that is a compete fake, and hoax. They now know this but won’t admit to it. He continues to block Canadain access because if we get back in there, he knows we’ll have his ass in a sling for this.
You can believe what you want to believe, but in the end, his ass is in a sling anyway. How far up his ass this sling gets will be up to him, and our national media.
As for root@your.server:
Good response: “Have you ever considered the MPAA (or CRIA) paying some MediaDefender type company to log Canadian citizen’s behaviour with regards to demonoid,”
If anything happens to our laws because of this you better bet your friends at demonoid will be held accountable for it by the public here. That statement just put the sling further up his ass thanks to you. I’ll make sure he gets a copy of this.
Very well done and being a d.j.myself I stop a long time ago from buying records that contains 1 or 2 songs that play on the radio or mtv or much…the last time I bought a GREATEST HITS was only to find out that the song I was buying the album for was AMPUTATED it was missing 1:35 from the original song…on a decent cd the aprox time of recording is about 74 minutes and this one contains only 35:18 minutes for 12 songs…where is the rest of it…I know they ran out of songs (the album is Tommy James And The Shondells for the song Crimson And Clover) and like most Greatest Hits that BIG groups or individual made or they cut songs or they put 1 new song and guess who make the $$$$ Yes the BIG COMPANY and not so much for the artist.If you want to sell big in a record store you have to buy your space so that the people can see your pretty face right in front of their eyes when they walk in the store…getting back to the subject I know a group that never played on the radio and they sell lots of albums (VOIVOID)because they played metal music witch is the devil music for all these folks who snif COCAINE with their nice ties and shoes…telling the world that all kinds of music except rock and metal are welcome but keep on WRAPPPPING your wel spend money while the artist is suffering from hunger and hanger that they never sell compare to a cute pair of tits and a fat ass….I’m doing a research on that subject for a couple of years and associations like crtc,cria and so on and on, they all claim to do the right thing by stopping people like you and me from downloading the music we like and by being stolen every time we purchase a new album because they play only what they want to play (sometime they are a 8 or 10 persons that decided witch song is gonna play and for a period of a few weeks or months THIS THE SONG THAT IS GONNA PLAY) like it or not this a truth fact..and when you call the radio station to play your favorite song they tell you yes but most of the time they play another one because it’s not their STANDARD SONG…KEEP ON DOWNLOADING… LONG LIVE ROCK AND ROLL ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ .♫…
If only the CRIA and other similar groups and companies would listen
This letter will likely go ignored just as every other one has
Ive pretty well given up trying to buy music in stores because Im not interested in the garbage posing as music that stores have been flooded with
I cant stand this music so I have to go online and find some quality music and I know Im not alone and the industry wonders why we’re not buying cds from stores
Yeah I love paying $20 for a glorified coaster too
[quote comment="182275"]Very well done and being a d.j.myself I stop a long time ago from buying records that contains 1 or 2 songs that play on the radio or mtv or much…the last time I bought a GREATEST HITS was only to find out that the song I was buying the album for was AMPUTATED it was missing 1:35 from the original song…on a decent cd the aprox time of recording is about 74 minutes and this one contains only 35:18 minutes for 12 songs…where is the rest of it…I know they ran out of songs (the album is Tommy James And The Shondells for the song Crimson And Clover) and like most Greatest Hits that BIG groups or individual made or they cut songs or they put 1 new song and guess who make the $$$$ Yes the BIG COMPANY and not so much for the artist.If you want to sell big in a record store you have to buy your space so that the people can see your pretty face right in front of their eyes when they walk in the store…getting back to the subject I know a group that never played on the radio and they sell lots of albums (VOIVOID)because they played metal music witch is the devil music for all these folks who snif COCAINE with their nice ties and shoes…telling the world that all kinds of music except rock and metal are welcome but keep on WRAPPPPING your wel spend money while the artist is suffering from hunger and hanger that they never sell compare to a cute pair of tits and a fat ass….I’m doing a research on that subject for a couple of years and associations like crtc,cria and so on and on, they all claim to do the right thing by stopping people like you and me from downloading the music we like and by being stolen every time we purchase a new album because they play only what they want to play (sometime they are a 8 or 10 persons that decided witch song is gonna play and for a period of a few weeks or months THIS THE SONG THAT IS GONNA PLAY) like it or not this a truth fact..and when you call the radio station to play your favorite song they tell you yes but most of the time they play another one because it’s not their STANDARD SONG…KEEP ON DOWNLOADING… LONG LIVE ROCK AND ROLL ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ .♫…[/quote]
Spirit in a download world
Anonymous
post 197
well said, sir.
Deimos appears to be a very reclusive person, he doesn’t want to be known.
I have just finished combing these posts for information about him. A certain “root@your.server” claims to have known him before demonoid was set up. This is what Root says about him.
1)Deimos started to behave in that way (to the outside world) as a direct result of pure first-hand experiences and the best of advice from people with more experience in the field! I’ve known him from before demonoid, and I know what he is like.
So Deimos has been a nut-bar for a long time.
2)Be thankful that he only reveals things on a need to know basis. It has saved him jail-time many times over.
So Deimos is a criminal.
3)The reason the dutch law had nothing on him was exactly *because* of his silence where needed.
So Deimos isn’t a totally stupid criminal.
4) Deimos might not share that loving view on the NATO/military, because, in case you forgot: You’ve all supported bombing Belgrade once. Did he do something to deserve seeing his nation’s economy be blown to Smithereens? Of course not.
So Deimos hates the west. Too bad a bomb missed him. Is he a Serb or a Croat? Was he part of one of those ethnic cleansing death squads? A lot of outright bullshit here too. We all didn’t support NATO. Paranoia about deserve seeing… Hey, this is life. Shit happens. Don’t take it personally. Because it wasn’t personal. So he’s got a persecution complex.
5)he’s protecting you against your own government without you even realizing it.
So deimos has delusions of grandeur. Further evidence of an unstable mind.
6)Start thinking about humanity and Internet the right way
What, is the right way, thinking like deimos? Not fucking likely.
7) Have you even considered what would happen if he’d be as open as you would have wanted him to be? Try and use what’s left of your brain; It would become mainstream Canadian news, in the end forcing him to get out even earlier than he’d want, and worse: Be sued by even bigger fish.
Oh, shit, the paranoid criminal doesn’t want to be seen in the light of day. Guttersnipes never do. He’s making plans to leave? Good. The sooner, the better.
So, folks what else is out there about Deimos? No one walks without leaving footsteps. Let’s expose this nut-bar for what he is. A con artist, liar, criminal.
As I posted on another thread, it is possible to bring Deimos in for questioning regarding a very serious charge called Public Mischief.
Add-on to post 200.
… chances are pretty high he will get out of Canada in the not so distant future…
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, deimos. That is a Canadian euphemism for don’t be slow about it, and we won’t miss you one little bit.
I’m sorry to have to say this, but you people need to grow up. This “hates the West” comment alone is too pathetic for words, even, proving my earlier statement about the deluded ones of you in your continent. Deimos is IN the West, you fool, he also has a place in Brazil. Are you going to ask this information for every torrentsite owner out there or something?
Also:
http://www.beograd.org.yu/cms/view.php?id=201271
Try living there and not detest the stupidity of NATO, hence the likes of you who ‘believe in your country’, who ‘demand’ things from Deimos. Belgrade is a great city, I’ve been there quite often. Actually, you’ll feel more free there than in London, Amsterdam, Paris or New York. No silly police and cameras, you know? No police-state big-brother type of crap (yet). People still enjoy some decent upbringing there, some respect. And it’s amazingly cheap, compared to the rest of the EU or the US/Canada.
I will not read here anymore. This site seems to be for kids, mostly. Ciao!
root@your.server post 203
You’re gone? Never to come back? Mr. Superiotity complex is fucking off.
Break out the champagne.
Root just gave more info on Deimos. He has a place in Brazil. So he is an international criminal, eh? He’s gots lots of money. He doesn’t need any more donations.
“Are you going to ask this information for every torrentsite howner out there or something?”
Nope, we’re only going after the liars and thieves. Interpol, here we come.
How did Belgrade become so nice? Nato intervention. The best thing since Tito. Tito was the best thing ever to happen to Yugo. They had a few decades of peace and order. The slavians have been butchering each other for centuries. Root, were you ever in beautiful downtown Banja Luka? Remember Serejevo, 1914? The start of WW1. Remember history, not propaganda, before throwing crap around. Those fuckers would still be slaughtering each other today without intervention.
Goodbye root, thanks for the info about your hero. By the way, seek professional help yourself. It is plain to all that your elevator doesn’t rise to the top floor. If that is too difficult for you to assimilate, try this: Like deimos, you’re a head-case.
WOW….
People wake up. How dumb can you be?
Why would demonoid make up a fake letter from CRIA ?
His ISP said that THEY did not receive a letter from CRIA. That does not mean he did not.
Even if CIRA has no legal grounds they can still send a cease and desist as a pressure tactic. Until demonoid clears up the matter they decides to block Canadian traffic. Whats the big deal ????
And of course CRIA will not comment on the matter they know they have no legal grounds, and even if they succeed in block traffic from Canada it is still not a WIN for them.
Unlike you people I am NOT talking out of my ass… Just wake up and ask the right people what is going on.
Can Demonoid be reached in Canada thru http://www.demonoid.cc/ ? I’m asking because I’m not Canadian.
@All Balkan assholes
Stop your bitching here. This is not the place, you fuckin morons. Why don’t you go and start another war, for a change? I could use some news fun. Fuctards.
I thought i saw a root comment somewhere about deimos being very luck and escape being shot 3 times. I can’t find it anymore, so I won’t mention it. But if that were true, i wonder who he sold out.
[quote comment="180772"]
The CRIA has made all canadians guilty of copyright infringment, I for one have yet to download a song using demoniod.
what about the people who use this site to promote there own wares songs from there band, books they have written, movies that they have made.
Where does it stop, if they get away with this then whats next, you will not beable to make music unless your signed to a recording company??
I find this action extremely disturbing not because I cannot go to demonoid, but because of what presedent it sets and the signs of our times.
I think that all the CRIA has really done is showen a ever growing number of people just what the bigger corperations are trying to do to us and leaving a bad taste in our mouths.
[/quote]
I couldn’t agree more with this comment. This is an infringment on our rights. They can’t make demonoid block our entire country just because they think that some people may use it illegally.
It does make you think, Whats next? Before you know it we won’t be able to go anywhere on the net. They’ll be shutting down sites left and right, then where will we be?
by I AM CANADIAN, nobody is saying deimos made it up. Deimos is alleging he got a letter.
CRIA is not a legal entity, it is merely a lobby group without legal standing. They cannot get a cease and desist order. This is Canada, not the US, things cannot be done that way.
CRIA’s lawyer won’t (can’t)talk about it, but responsible people at CRIA have stated they know nothing about it. They are just as puzzled as the rest of us. Just who are the people we should talk to when we wake up – Deimos? Maybe you should wake up a bit, eh?
post #209
I am fully awake my friend.
Anyone’s lawyer can send a cease and desist letter. I could pay my American or Canadian lawyer to send you one to that asks you to stop posting on these boards. It does not mean I have any legal rights or grounds to do so. It is just a big business bully tactic.
It’s all about the details…..
- Demoind’s ISP said THEY did not recieve a letter.
- CRIA’s lawyer said “I don’t want to talk about the Demonoid case,”
Mean’s there is a case.
IF CRIA’s lawyers did send a cease and desist letter and Demonoid has shutdown the site to Canadian users for one week until he clears things up with his lawyers or ISP don’t you feel a little stupid for bashing someone that provides you a free service?
Nothing I stated in this post is my opinion / figment of my imagination / or a possible scenario. It is what actually happened. Take my word for it or not but only time will tell…
poster 206: about this:
@All Balkan assholes
Stop your bitching here. This is not the place, you fuckin morons. Why don’t you go and start another war, for a change? I could use some news fun. Fuctards.
The only Balkan asshole we know of is deimos. And he ain’t here. Why don’t you take your ignorant attitude and shove it up your arse, where you get your marvelous use of the English language from. You are the only fuctard around here.
Nicely said. Couldn’t agree more.
I think this should be a mandatory read before anyone uses Bit Torrent from now on.
In light of the recent actions against the Community, I am going to be randomly choosing movie and music oriented torrents to seed until I reach a share ratio of 8.0 (
I think this should be a mandatory read before anyone uses Bit Torrent from now on.
In light of the recent actions against the Community, I am going to be randomly choosing movie and music oriented torrents to seed until I reach a share ratio of:
8.0 if 4.8GB
I will be looking for low seeds with high peers that have been seeding for more than a week.
Also I would like to find a dedicated server located in a P2P friendly country (Sweden).
My idea is to not only run a tracker but to also run a mainstream website dedicated to the advocacy of censorship and human rights.
Many people don’t know exactly what they can do to help. I feel we need more letters, more voices to be heard.
I feel all anti-piracy groups, record labels, movie industries, and government agencies contact information is easily found on one website/resource/directory.
A section for letters that the public can read just like the ones found in this article.
Honestly it wouldn’t be such a bad idea to implement something like that on this website. TF has the user base to make something such a success.
I am just trying to think of what I can do to give back to the community. I may not have some good answers on how to win our battle.
Now I got something that would really make the news on a global front.
The MPAA has office in Washington, DC; Los Angeles; New York (Anti-Piracy Office); Toronto, Canada (CMPDA); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Brussels, Belgium ; Singapore.
There are US embassy all over the world and then we cant forget about the RIAA or any other agency that threaten’s human rights. Think about it… what about a global protest at each and everyone one of those places. Maybe for a day… maybe for a week. I dunno but just think about how much news coverage and publicity this would get. Nothing like that has ever been done before.
MPAA spent millions if not billions of dollars in their anti-piracy campaign. We could do even better than they did. We just need to actually sit down together and come up with a good plan of action.
[quote comment="180638"]Awesome letter. But It will do fuck all.[/quote]
[quote comment="180652"]Just wanted to add I am ashamed to call myself canadian. I sent them an email telling them they will never get another dime from me, and they made me embarrassed of my own country.[/quote]
Support you all. I recently visited Canada, it’s a wonderful country. I really feel sorry for you.
OMG, now the haters are all out of the woodwork.
First there was the doubter-bashing in the previous two articles comments, now it’s the Deimos-bashing on this one? That’s pretty tiresome but nonetheless quite funny, cuz it proves you don’t necessarily need to love or hate demonoid nor be a canadian or american — nooo, just about everybody can grow into a complete jackass flamer.
Now while I also support that Deimos should come clean and at least reveal the legal grounds the site was threatened on, I can’t help but wonder if I were in his shoes, how much I’d care personally about a community as loving as some of you fellas.
And as for him abusing canadian hospitality, here I was thinking that the whole server relocation to canada was in fact a business transaction, only to find out some of you guys personally invited him over, were willing to pay for his server costs, let alone offered to sleep over at your houses … oh, wait, you didn’t? Then how is he abusing anything except your wishful thinking, and eventually his communitys desire for the truth?
but a nice letter, btw. ;-)
Damn right!!!! I totally agree, if the song I want is not on iTunes I download it. I will not pay 50$ for importing a CD for one song…
And for Canadian people, you can always use http proxy for getting in demonoid.com ( http://proxy.org/proxies_sorted.shtml ) that link show proxy site sorted by country. I know it’s not secure for your login and password but you have already lost it so…
[quote comment="182392"]@All Balkan assholes
Stop your bitching here. This is not the place, you fuckin morons. Why don’t you go and start another war, for a change? I could use some news fun. Fuctards.[/quote]You are the fucktard here, Belgrade isn’t even the Balkan. Have you been outside of your country once in your life? I think root@server is right, you are a bunch of chicken shit little children.
Oh and by the way, YOU are the people starting wars, in case you didn’t know. Try and get your news from trustworthy sources, not ABC/NBC/FOX/Time Warner/AOL etc.
I AM CANADIAN, post 212 You still pose “What ifs.” The Crap about “lawyer and case” is crap. In THIS case, the word Case is lawyer talk for situation, not court case. The horsehit about “cease and desist is pure bunk. Any fool with 2 brain cells would throw it away, knowing it is an unenforcable piece of toilet paper. IF they had a full brain, they would post it out in public like piratebay does. Post and laugh at it. It takes precisely that long to clear it up. It is now too late for deimos to post it. He has to hold a public press conference and PRODUCE the alleged letter. IF you know what your talking about, then you know very little.
root@your.server, Post 219. You said you were gone, never to come back. Here you are, popping your head out of your ass, again. So that makes you a liar too, Mr. petulance. Here, I quote you, Post 205; “I will not read here anymore. This site seems to be for kids, mostly. Ciao!”
You dilly-dally over the location of some obscure town in eastern Europe, while avoiding the situation created by your alleged friend, Deimos. If, and that is a really big if, you are a friend of deimos, then the advice to give him is produce the letter, apologise and fuck off out of here.
You have said that deimos is very secretive. Well, some friend you are. You have given us a lot of information about this international criminal. Have you ever heard of a Prosser File, root? I’m sure he appreciates it. With friends like you, who needs enemies.
regarding post 219. Nice job root, IF that is you again, you’re quoting yourself. Quoting oneself does not give any credence to any point that you might be trying to make, IF there is a real point. Your petulence (nice word there Alex) is most childish.
The guys who own the trucks used to run the music business. What should we expect from these truck drivers when we can get our music without them? A hideous death rattle much like that of the Luddite weavers who couldn’t bear to see their way of life outmoded.
Another point supporting my theory that maybe Canadian traffic on Demonoid is the real reason behind Demonoid NEEDING to shut down easy access to their website is if anyone was paying attention to the timing of the daily maintenance the website had during the week (for me on the west coast is was about 1900 to 2000 every day). The popularity might have be stressing out the servers too much and locals/Canadians (many of us on Broadband for that matter) would get easier access to Demonoid than foreign traffic would to the site. Under those circumstances it would not be surprising if bandwidth restrictions/costs are behind a website deciding it would be better to restrict access and what better way to do it than to make a MFBS excuse as to why Canadians can’t have access to the site at this time?! On the other hand, if Deimos doesn’t have the money/infrastructure to support the sites current local demands then why not just say so and go on some form of fundraising drive to support the site and still make a profit (the sites not a mfn charity!) Anyhow… just a theory and it will remain one until we get official news from either Deimos and/or the CRIA.
Like I said before… Proxy for now.
(n hell if this keeps up, I’ll look into starting a tracking site myself and btw to the guy who said something about torrent trackers; your torrent client makes the trackers. The site on serves as a place to download the trackers from).
Another note: download peerguardian. Especially you AMERICANS. It’ll save your ass.
Anyone who knows anything can get around demonoids little re-directing act. What a joke though…get too much traffic, then lie about why their cutting you off. Sure 75% of Canadians/Americans are obise & retarded, but there still is the other 25%. Show some class and man up!
Post #221 I suppose you know what you are talking about?
Oh yeah really smart have Deimos post the letter public and have a press conference… shed more light on a situation that should be kept out of the spotlight as much as possible… real genius.
Pirate Bay is on a whole different level than Demonoid. Technically and geographically speaking. Laughing at the people who are trying to take you down is a real efficient path to victory. ( If my instincts are correct you are probably 15 or 16 years old mentally so I will add the note that the last sentence was completely sarcastic )
I have seen the actual the cease and desist there are no what ifs in my story.
I just read all these posts and …”MY EYES HURT” I was wondering if I’d get some answers here. I didn’t get any answers about what happened or why with demonoid but at least I have something to chew on for awhile. I know very little about proxy servers, but will look into it. On the other hand do I really want to jump through hoops when there are so many other torrent sites ? The Demonoid attachment seems to keep showing up in files I download…I adjust my download to omit downloading the file attachment. It doesn’t do anything other than giving me a little satisfaction, but If I can’t get into demonoid then the attachment will dissapear from my files, and will never been seen. Through all this I learned about some really good sites. To all the Sites I can play in. Thanks
TO imp-poster 227 :I have seen the actual the cease and desist…
Then produce it dickwad. IF it exists. IF it is the real mccoy. You must have the mentality you acuse me of having. A cease and desist is a pack of codswallop. As for keeping it out of the light – WHY? What good does secrecy do except keep the suspicion up. And yes, PIRATEBAY is in a totally different league. They get many, many times the usage than Demonoid. (demonoid is not the biggest or second biggest tracker. If usage is the marker, then they are down around number 6.) Piratebay also has a brain and know how to laugh at a joke. Again, about keeping it out of the spotlight, DUMB-ASS shone the light on it when he pulled this infantile stunt. The only path dumbass is taking you down, is down the garden path. So, imp-poster 227, Crawl back into deimos’ orifice. The oxygen out here must be corroding what you laughingly call a brain. YOU, an insignificant pissant has seen THE alleged document? HAHAHAHAHA…… HOHOHOHOHo….
Further to post 229. If deimos had gone public right away with this alleged letter, the entire P2P community would have been behind him. Deimos is doing dark things in dark places and has divided the P2P community. And now his little imps keep crawling out to try and convince us of how great and right and all-knowing and wise dumb-ass is. And how he is working in our best interests. Dumb-ass never consulted me, or anyone else about what we need, let alone what our interests are. The egomanical nut-bar has delusions of grandeur. That head-case needs a straight-jacket, a rubber room and a thorazine drip run wide open. I repeat, this stunt has divided the P2P community and if he can’t stand the heat he created, then he should get the hell out of the kitchen. It’s going to get a lot hotter from directions he isn’t expecting.
Shit yeah. That’s a kick as letter. Free our CANADIAN Brothers goddamnit!!!!
Amen. I applaud you sir, well said and God bless to you.
[quote comment="181665"]Anonymous at post 167. You demonoid jerk. I’m not a newbie you fricking moron. It’s something at your end and it’s another asshole. As for the Enquirer, I’ll bet you’re one of the genetically distorted monkeys on the cover who can’t even read.[/quote]
if your not a newbie you’re just lazy whiner because using a proxy, well a 12year old can do. Judging by your post you have clearly not reached that ripe age lol…!
Clearly you’ve said nothing about Demonoid in your response because you’d only repeat conjecture at best. You have no facts just whiny complaining. I don’t blindly defend Deimos he could have handled thing better but saying more is just rant!
Calling him names serves no constructive purpose and only informs us about your short commings! thanks for the lols…
TO imp-poster 223 You have never said anything positive or constructive. What you say about me is more applicable to you. It’s like the pot calling the kettle black. So, one more insult back at you. Crawl away, imp. Come back when your IQ exceeds your shoe size.
[quote comment="181669"]oh dear. It looks as if the demonoid imps are crawling from their holes again. Get out the bug swatters people. Anonymous, and Pal, get a brain guys. Get an education. Grow up. Get a job. Get a life. Or get laid for shit’s sake. Do something other than showing off to the world that you are to dumb to think for yourselves. Stop kissing Dumb-ass’ rosey red ring.[/quote]
Well if you just happen to know something we don’t, then please be so kind as to share. So we too can work up a good sweat but please just keep the non factual diatribes for a post on fiction. I think that there was a slight discomfort when I first heard that being Canadian I’d have to proxy in. Once I got my proxy installed and setup (a few minutes) then I got over it. I don’t chat on Demonoid I don’t use it all that much anymore and I see no need to kiss Deimos ass. I also see no need to tear a chunk out of a guy very few if any of us know. It’s totally apparent nobody really knows the whys and the whats at this stage. Those that claim they do are clearly making it up as they go along. Until Deimios decides to to talk its mostly fiction…. on your personal attack… you know nothing about me so it’s just more of the same stuff make it up as you go along. Do you really think nobody notices you fiction… You may or may not have reason to stir the waters you could even be working for the CRIA but I wouldn’t know about that. One thing for certain you would fit right in. You could put on your resume… “Have Bullshit will use” Then again I could just be talking to a child…
lol @ ya…
[quote comment="181669"]oh dear. It looks as if the demonoid imps are crawling from their holes again. Get out the bug swatters people. Anonymous, and Pal, get a brain guys. Get an education. Grow up. Get a job. Get a life. Or get laid for shit’s sake. Do something other than showing off to the world that you are to dumb to think for yourselves. Stop kissing Dumb-ass’ rosey red ring.[/quote]
Well if you just happen to know something we don’t, then please be so kind as to share. So we too can work up a good sweat but please just keep the non factual diatribes for a post on fiction. I think that there was a slight discomfort when I first heard that being Canadian I’d have to proxy in. Once I got my proxy installed and setup (a few minutes) then I got over it. I don’t chat on Demonoid I don’t use it all that much anymore and I see no need to kiss Deimos ass. I also see no need to tear a chunk out of a guy very few if any of us know. It’s totally apparent nobody really knows the whys and the whats at this stage. Those that claim they do are clearly making it up as they go along. Until Deimios decides to to talk its mostly fiction…. on your personal attack… you know nothing about me so it’s just more of the same stuff make it up as you go along. Do you really think nobody notices you fiction… You may or may not have reason to stir the waters you could even be working for the CRIA but I wouldn’t know about that. One thing for certain you would fit right in. You could put on your resume… “Have Bullshit will use” Then again I could just be talking to a child…
lol @ ya…
Good God, man grow up. You’re dragging out a post from yesterday or 2 days ago. Again you say nothing to clarify the situation. You just do the demonoid thing and do an AD Hominem attack. That writer had some good advice, get away from the keyboard, get a life, education and/or laid. But that could be in a few years when you finally hit puberty. In the mean time, you could always grab that little joystick of yours and give it a whirl. When mommy and daddy aren’t around, of course. Ad Hominem back at ya. – Gil
Isn’t it interesting. When PAL shows up, Anonymous shows up right after. They do the same type of bullshit attack. Same grammer, same sentence structure. Same type of language with the same incoherent type of rambling. All sorts of non-sequiturs too. There is the same lol@ya at the bottom too. Hmmm, is this the same person?
poster 223, 181(root@your.server) and a few others use the same format, too. It is quite possible that it is the same demonic person. -Gil
Who cares if demonoid did get a letter? Who cares if it is legit? Who cares if there are legal grounds? The site is shut down to us Canadian users, without a fight, thats all that matters. Cowards. But I notice demonoid is still seeding torrents uploaded by our Canadian accounts, they don’t mind showing our numbers in their stats for bragging rights. I have sent an email to demonoid requesting the removal of all my torrents, and I strongly urge my fellow Canadians to do the same. We don’t even have access to our own torrents!!
I don’t agree to that sure many people buy albums after they listen to it . HOwever, the cria don’t care about those people they care more aout the people who just want free music i personally buy albums to avoid this mess
to: 240 Oct 08, 2007 at 06:48 by TwentyChunk
Not everyone is a coward. There is a bunch of us who are fighting. As you can see by some of the posts, people are trying to keep the public record straight. Trying to correct the dis-information of deimos’ imp toadies. There are a group of people who are pursuing things through their Members of Parliament. There are people working with the media. There are people contacting government agencies. As Canadians we don’t fight with guns. We use our brains and fight with the Law and legal entities. It’s going to take time and we may never get to the truth of the matter, but Deimos is going to get more bruised than he already is. His reputation in the P2P world is already shot to hell. So rather than calling people cowards, join the fray and contact your MP. Contact the Quebec Provincial Government, (Demonoid’s ISP is in Laval, Quebec) ask questions of their finance department. Contact the city administration of Laval. See if demonoid has/needs a business licence. Government agencies get pissed off when they get inundated with a lot of requests. They then go out and investigate the root cause, which is demonoid. By the way, none of us has any contact, in any way, shape or form, with CRIA. We are former demonoid users ourselves and we are pissed off. This is not stalking or harassing deimos and demonoid. This is trying to get to the bottom of a situation that didn’t have to happen. Deimos opened a can of worms. Let’s stuff him back in it.
If you want to support the artist directly, buy it from them at their shows…
one thing to keep in mind, is all of this illegal downloading ruins the record labels in which these un-promoted bands are from. The independent record labels suffer the biggest loss, your just making the music industry more shallow and less diverse. The reason why record labels exist is to buffer any cost that the band cant personally finance. Such as recording fee’s loans for tours, Production fees, manufacturing fees.. All kinds of things… Just stop supporting companies like clear channel and we will be better off.
Addendum to post 242. Contact members of The Quebec Provincial Parliament. This is on their turf. Complain to them. They don’t like to see this type of stuff either. They just love a good fight with the devil.
WOO! amen brother
I just received an e-mail from a friend. He says that I’m giving away the game plan. That Deimos can see what we’re doing.
I reply Good. He can see us coming. To be seen to be doing something will also draw more pissed-off people, who will contact their representatives. Maybe deimos will get smart and shut down and get out of Canada. I do nothing behind anyone’s back. Everything I do is out in the open. I have nothing to hide. Can you say the same of Deimos?
Let’s think this trough for a sec…. you get an access to pirated warez and now your bitching about the treatment the pirate master is giving you?
Boy this world is so twisted. You don’t want problems just go elsewhere or here’s an idea! Buy it instead! Simple.
All this nonsense about politics common give me a break. No one cares except those who got screwed by the nice little pirate, ho my! What a bad, bad person he is.
Sarcasm apart the fact still remains that you are for the most part committing a crime according to the various laws. Ok sure it’s not first degree murder but still a crime. If you do not agree with these laws from Canada then that is your prerogative but it is still illegal. If you make a conscious decision to commit those crimes then that’s your choice. Maybe there very little repercussions for those crimes, maybe not, depending where you reside. It’s a personal choice each one of us makes. But please do not lose the fact that you are, at the present, surely committing a crime when it comes to downloading content from p2p. Especially copyrighted material for which you did not get permission from the IP holder.
Or I could have just simply said: As a beggar I shall not be picky to how I choose.
to: 246 Oct 08, 2007 at 09:06 by Maybe just maybe
REGARDING:…”you are for the most part committing a crime according to the various laws. Ok sure it’s not first degree murder but still a crime. If you do not agree with these laws from Canada then that is your prerogative but it is still illegal.”
WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. In Canada, P2P exchanges are perfectly lawfull. Go back and read the posts. In March 2004, Judge Konrad von Finckenstein of the Federal Court ruled that it is lawful in Canada. Record companies and recording artists receive compensation through a levy placed on CD’s, DVD’s, tapes and any other recording media. Even if all you do is backup your personal data, you pay the levy. That is why nobody is afraid here. This is not the US where you can get your ass sued off.
Do you see the light now? Do you have a greater understanding of why we’re pissed off?
to sniper
You are correct. But this only applies to MUSIC. So for now if you reside in Canada and you are downloading or uploading passively (p2p) you are ok.
Unfortunately, if you reside elsewhere then Canada, in most part of the world it is illegal. It also raises the issue of shared peers from different countries who are breaking their own laws while you are downloading your stuff. Not a cleared issue but you can count on it to be clarified soon by the Canadians courts.
And yes it will get appealed, you can bet on it. These are just semantics. To load or not to load other then music etc.. It still a crime other then in Canada and only for music and personal usages.
I guess the point I was trying to make was that Demonoid itself does not see itself “Legal” or why would he have left is previous hosting country. So why would he be better than a two bit thug? And why are people here surprise?
This brings me to what my mother always told me: “if you can’t stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen”. I know it is very “cliché” of me but at 1:42am it’s the only thing I can come up with that summarizes my opinion on the letter originally written, not the gazillion responses. And I stress this one more time “my opinion” nothing more. Far from being the bible.
You know, it makes me sick. They try to go after people who download music more than they will over a murderer. Fuck, go after the damn murderers! Wtf is wrong with the laws?
A murderer can get somewhere from 5 – 15 years. A person who downloads a song can get a life sentence!
I know downloading is a big problem, but don’t you think its a good idea to get the priorities set right?
I am a big supporter of downloading music, if I didn’t have the ability to download an album and check it out before I buy it (I’m 17, so its pretty hard to get the 21 dollars to buy a cd : /) I wouldn’t have the 100+ CDs I have now.
So tell me, what makes more sense, spending 21 bucks on a gamble, or spending 21 bucks on something you know? I mean, come on.
I agree hole heartedly with the letter’s author :)
to post 248 “Not a cleared issue but you can count on it to be clarified soon by the Canadians courts.”
There has to be a basis in law.
The courts can only clear things according to law. The law has to be changed through an act of Parliament for this very unlikely scenario to happen. This is not going to happen any time soon, if ever. Besides, what happens in other counties happens in other countries. What happens there would have absolutely no standing in a Canadian court of law. If it is unlawful in Lower Sinovia, that is their issue. Their court rulings could not affect us. International boundries do have their benefits. Sovereignty is nice, is it not? So this whole thing is a non-sequituer. Besides, this thread is about demonoid and it’s current actions in Canada, not international law. It is not about what if’s and other fantasies. Maybe (to fantasize here), other countries should follow our model. It would free up a lot of valuable court time for more important things, like White-collar crime. Where billions of dollars per year disappear into off-shore accounts. Or corporate tax evasion. Or… you name it.
250 Oct 08, 2007 at 09:49 by Maybe just maybe
I guess the point I was trying to make was that Demonoid itself does not see itself “Legal” or why would he have left is previous hosting country. So why would he be better than a two bit thug? And why are people here surprise?
The deimos/demonoid thing is indeed very odd. There are a lot of unanswered questions. There is a lot of speculation regarding what deimos is trying to hide. please read post 202.
to Maybe just maybe, post 249. It still a crime other then in Canada and only for music and personal usages.
I download movies. My ISP sent me a notice from an american company that i was downloading copyrighted material. My ISP also included a copy of their very nice PISS-OFF letter. So, it appears that movies are lawful too. God, I love being a Canadian.
to sniper, post 252. I know what you’re trying to say, but you are not a moderator, here. No one is. This was not very nice: “Besides, this thread is about demonoid and it’s current actions in Canada, not international law.” You can alienate people who just may be able to help. There are a lot of people out there who don’t know what is going on and are very confused by it all. It’s all very good to imp-bash, but not the general public. OK?
To: Maybe just maybe
My sincere apology to you sir. There’s a lot going on and sometimes I have a hair trigger. I hope you understand.
Deimos is my Hero, DEMONOID IS AWESOME.
IMP for life.
Demonoid offers all you whining wankers a free service..read my lips FREE..so Demonoid has no obligation whatsoever to come and service your high and mighty Canadian asses..instead of complaining like Fernando Alonso why don’t you go and join the dozens of other torrent sites or pony up some cash for a Rapidshare account..free downloading from forums at your fingertips.
Now can the Canadians please shut up and leave the rest of the world to continue using Demonoid? Instead of using your pathetic nationalist fervour to run down a man and his country? And if you want servicing of your asses, ask it from people/companies which you pay $$$ for eg Apple, Microsoft, your own bloody govt etc. Bunch of freeloading whiners.
After reading post 240 I grit my teeth and went to demonoid using a proxy. (with my fingers crossed)
I then removed all MY uploads with a response to demonoids question to why I’m removing it.
I was polite about it, and will be uploading from another place other than that for as long as I am banned.
If I get any files with the Demonoid attachment I will not allow the attachment in my files. I will remove it and or add an attachment announcing my dissapointment that I’m banned from Demonoid.
I don’t want to just shrug my shoulders about this situation and walk away. This seems like the only thing I can do for now.
At last someone has put into words what i and countless thousand others have thought for a long time. The music industry has been on the road to ruin for many years now, and they only have themselves to blame for promoting uber-bland teen pop, while many bands of notable worth and something to sing about slip under the radar. Bravo mate bravo!!!
omg.
you should speak at high schools around the world.
music industry dies and then emerges just music. how it does florish and the people rejoyced.
sounds poetic man.
like a phoenyx it comes full circle. i love it.
when Tony Robins dies from money induced overdose. you will take his place as rightful heir to the motivational thrown.
death to the music industry, long live music \m/
goldenscreen says:
all you whining wankers
you want servicing of your assesfreeloading whiners.
Now can the Canadians please shut up and leave the rest of the world to continue using Demonoid?
I say: not blody likely you pommey bastard. Plug your ears and shut your cake-hole. Go away and enjoy Dumb-ass all you want, imp.
to: postimp-poster 257 y0ur1g0d
About this: Deimos is my Hero, DEMONOID IS AWESOME. IMP for life.
You have some real high aspirations there, boy. I hope you enjoy flipping burgers at McDonalds for the rest of your life, too. I don’t think you’ll get a promotion to chip dipper.
With increased censorship by the Canadian government and neopolitical groups like CRIA. I have found it easier to use a web anonymous surfing program? Which happens to allow me to continue to enjoy demonoids great site.
Hope it works for you.
Greatest post of the year.
Regarding my post in 225. I was at my friends place in North Vancouver yesterday and he’s on dsl. Guess what… He’s got access to Demonoid whereas I do not in Vancouver on broadband. I can’t say that I was really that surprised.
hey there. Any canucks out there? Is demonoid deleting Canadian accounts now? I am using proxy to visit the website and it seems like that my membership has been deleted. I had over 100gb uploaded and downloaded there. Demonmoid really messed up on this one.
Now its time to BUY an RS account.
[quote]working for riaa all these years your letter has caused me to suddenly see the light. clearly the way forward is to enter a state of world communism, in which through sharing everything nobody ever has to do any work.[/quote]
you tell me how a single record would get sold without people hearing it first. that’s what radio is supposed to be for, but when was the last time you heard any good music on the radio? that’s why you have to dig deep to find good music, because record labels only promote garbage that they THINK people want to listen to.
enjoy your new john tesh cd
Excellently written, well said!
i dont know why they stopped the canadian traffic on demonoid if the server is located in canada
[quote comment="183761"]hey there. Any canucks out there? Is demonoid deleting Canadian accounts now? I am using proxy to visit the website and it seems like that my membership has been deleted. I had over 100gb uploaded and downloaded there. Demonmoid really messed up on this one.
Now its time to BUY an RS account.[/quote]
Mine hasn’t been deleted yet. Try another proxy
Absolutely. I agree.
Deimos is a shady muppet end off
I just Stumbled! this, and I agree with all of it, except substitute “indie rock” for “heavy metal.”
[quote comment="184347"]I just Stumbled! this, and I agree with all of it, except substitute “indie rock” for “heavy metal.”[/quote]
That was me. Sorry, I forgot to put my name in…
And in the end, the CRIA laughs and rolls over some more schmoes.
As a Canadian and a music listener, I completely stand behind this open letter to the CRIA.
I live in Vancouver, British Columbia and am extremely disappointed to see my primary source of new artists and bands cut off from me because I am Canadian. Therefor, it is also very unfortunate that I am forced to use out-of-country proxies to do this.
I refuse to be cut off from new artists and bands, but the action that has resulted in this added difficulty will result in my refusal to purchase ^any^ artist or band who is not independent of the CRIA.
Are you happy now? None of my money, and you haven’t accomplished a thing. If you were to call it ‘mission accomplished’ you would be akin to the Bush administration in the USA.
[quote comment="182888"]Another point supporting my theory that maybe Canadian traffic on Demonoid is the real reason behind Demonoid NEEDING to shut down easy access to their website is if anyone was paying attention to the timing of the daily maintenance the website had during the week (for me on the west coast is was about 1900 to 2000 every day). The popularity might have be stressing out the servers too much and locals/Canadians (many of us on Broadband for that matter) would get easier access to Demonoid than foreign traffic would to the site. Under those circumstances it would not be surprising if bandwidth restrictions/costs are behind a website deciding it would be better to restrict access and what better way to do it than to make a MFBS excuse as to why Canadians can’t have access to the site at this time?! On the other hand, if Deimos
doesn’t have the money/infrastructure to support the sites current local demands then why not just say so and go on some form of fundraising drive to support the site…?[/quote]
Because that would mean he’d had to admit the thousands of dollars he stuck up his nose. And that wouldn’t garner much in the way of new site funds..
Fuck Demonoid. Fuck D. This entire situation stinks like a whore house on the beach at low tide.
to: ex-demonoid moderator.
Are you REALLY an ex-mod? Did you get paid for it? Or was it volunteer? Or did you have to pay Dumb-ass for the privelege? I bet you’ve got some stories. Why not share them, or would that put you at risk?
response to point in post 278
Cnadian traffic amounted to 3.6% of demonoid traffic, #4 on the chart. The biggest was the US @ 20.5%. The next was Great Britain @4.8%. So I don’t believe we were stressing his operation in any way, shape or form. The only thing that was stressed was Dumb-ass’ little, drug addled brain.
More stats on demonoid. They used to rank at #290 on web usage they have now dropped to #330 and dropping like a shot duck. Their reach @ .3% of web crawlers has dropped to .24% and dropping like a rock. Daily page views went from .024% to .021% of web access. May not sound like much, but then Demonoid wasn’t as big as they say they are. It also shows that they’ve shot themselves in the head.
Another stat: Speed: Very Slow 93% of sites are faster), Avg Load Time: 6.2 Seconds
How VERY interesting.
This is company information on Demonoid:
Demonoid
Kutuzowsky prospekt,
36/1/1 Province bg
Moscow, 121172,
RUSSIA
Phone: +7 0959234281
Fax: +7 0959234281
admin [at] demonoid.com
What kind of piece of lying trash is this deimos? A lot of web criminal activity comes from Russia. Is that what Dumb-ass is doing here? True, that you can be anywhere in the world and access anything. But police forces look for outside activity. They usually don’t look under their noses. Unless someone tweaks them to it. What ARE you doing here, DUMB-ASS, data mining? Identity theft? Industrial espionage?
Hello, police? We got a dirty one.
Dear Abby;
So where can I go for files while demonoid is not available to me? Please steer me in the right direction …
Thanks cunfused
Response to cunfused, post 284
Anywhere you want, son. Just Google Torrent Sites. There’s a lot out there and they’re all better than demonoid could ever dream of being.
Amen, Brotha
Great letter, dude.
May I suggest a newspaper called Exclaim? It will help you find what you want (www.exclaim.ca)
Wow, that was really a coup de grace on record industry!Good job!Hey, why don’t you write a letter on how much you piss on american foreign policy so maybe Bushhead will commit a suicide when he reads it? Britney Spears could’ve written more meaningful stuff. As for Demonoid and Deimos, he owes Canadians, or anyone else bitching for that matter, a beating with a baseball bat.What the hell do you want? You think God appeared to him one day and asked him to host the best goddamn torrent site on the internet? All the equipment was just sitting on his porch or was dragged in by his dog? And the time invested came to him easy just as soon as he stopped watching soap operas? Shut the frack up!”Ohhh, the poor hit’n'run donors, they give theirs BIG 5 bucks and then download 100gigs of stuff with a seed ratio of 0.01 and are not told the truuuuuuuuuthhhh, the horrooooooor”!Yeah, great math – go to any store and try getting 100gigs worth of music/movies/games/books for 5 bucks..Deimos owes nobody nothing, least of all explanation.The leechers owe to him big time.He wants to cut you Canadians off? Great, his site, his decision.He doesn’t want to disclose real reason? Great, his site, his desicion.When you make a site that is better than demonoid, then start being needy.Until then, please shut up and say thanks.Canadians are just a bunch of spoiled brats.”He’s in our country and he cuts us off??!!Who the hell he thinks he is!!!Noone tells us what we can and can’t do!!!We’re Canadians!!!!” You sound just like a bunch of US rednecks.Why don’t you start a super-hero comic book “Canadian!”? Wankers the lot of you..
TO:
288 Oct 11, 2007 at 18:33 by canadians are wankers
OUR REPLY: Sod off you pommey bastard. Go suck the Queen’s wrinkled, sagging left tit. Get your brain out of that pea-soup london fog (or is it a drug induced fog?), stop sniffing your ass-gasses, get a life and fuck off.
You could also try to be a little more coherent in your rants. Someone just might think that you think. Have a plate of Mushy Peas and relax, have a pint of warm bitters (Yuck) and go blow the next King. That’s Charles, you know. Say wot? Pip, Pip and all that good pommey rot. Fuck off dickweed.
[quote comment="185334"]TO:
288 Oct 11, 2007 at 18:33 by canadians are wankers
OUR REPLY: Sod off you pommey bastard. Go suck the Queen’s wrinkled, sagging left tit. Get your brain … Fuck off dickweed.[/quote]
err, as a Canadian, I’d just like to point out that she’s our Queen too… So don’t be a smeghead.
[quote comment="185303"] “Canadian!”? Wankers the lot of you..[/quote]
Wankers, the lot of us? I was going to argue, but on second thought you’re probably right. Hope you choke on some mutton vindaloo.
To the fuckin Brit in post 288.
Plug your ears and shut your fucking cake-hole. Cause we’re gonna scream and rant and roar and a bunch of us are working with the authorities and media to yank this fucking wanker’s (Dumb-ass) chain. P2P is healthy here. It is even lawful. We don’t need or want a fucking asshole, who claims to be a Yugo, running his business out of Russia, living in Brazil, playing fucking games with us and fucking what we do have. This stupid stunt he pulled here just gives the american controlled recoding industry an energy boost. Dumb-ass has really fucked the whole P2P community. Wake up and the fuck off you pommey moron.
oh, on a completely different note, does anyone know if demonoid always used google analytic’s urchin software or is it simply being used now to identify (and be able to block) canadians?
to nizbit, poster #290
Make that smegheads. plural. Not wishing to be divisive, but we don’t care about some outmoded monarchical system. Even if it is better than a republic. Respect is something that is earned, not given. She has done nothing to earn our respect. Does she Torrent? Does she use, or used to use Demonoid? Does she live here? Does she have citizenship? Does she even know or care that you and we exist?
Do we care about her? The answer is: NO.
to nizbit post #293.
A very good question, sir. I also wonder how much they paid for it. I am currently unable to find a torrent for it. I also believe that this is payware. There might be a trial version, but…
So Deimos is using donations from his supporters to purchase software to arbitrarally block other users, donors and supporters.(an abuse of trust if i ever saw one). By being able to sniff out canadian users in this fashion seems to lend some credence to other concerns about what deimos is doing here. See post 282
can anyone tell me how i can make a donation to demonoid?
about post 296
Dear noob.
Don’t even think about it. There are too many unanswered questions about demonoid. There is no mailimg address, so sending cash, cheque, money order is not an option. That leaves operations like PayPal, which have a history of theft. I don’t know what mechanism demonoid has, but any on-line banking with them could leave tracks right back to your account. Are you willing to trust a stranger with your bank balance? There are many serious questions about this person called Deimos. For your information I’ll repeat some things already said. He is supposedly a Yugoslavian, his business(and demonoid is a business) is based in Russia and he lives, or owns a house in Brazil. Does that not raise questions in your mind? Didn’t your mother tell you to never talk to strangers? That advice goes doubly for your finances. Don’t allow anyone access to your information. It is the only way to protect yourself. Deimos’ silence on matters has saved him from jail time on many occasions. So, do you want to finance a criminal? Especially one with access to your bank account? A poster, Mr. Nizbit in post 293, asked a very serious question. With the reputation Deimos has, and with the computer savvy he supposedly has, it would be very easy for him or his minions to hack your computer and steal vital information. Like banking data. Identity theft is another pssibility. Or botting your computer for other nefarious deeds.
No, Mr. Noob, do yourself a favour and run like hell.
Signed.
Dear Abby
P.S. There are many people out there who would have jumped all over you for asking such a question. Many people are irate over this whole affair. These people just love to imp-bash. Consider yourself lucky that no one played whack-a-mole on your head.
FUCK THE POLICCE
me too
XGM said
“i was able to find new bands and CD’s trough Pandora.com, but ever since they closed access to Canada”
I use pandora, they said they are allowed to stream to US only so I joined using the zip code from a maglite pack.
As far as they are concerned I live next door.
[quote comment="180615"]Would you like an invite to OiNK?[/quote]
Hi Chris…
I’m having really bad trouble getting into Demonoid and would love an invite to OiNk…
Can you pleaseeee send an invite to medic@ottpclan.com
Thanks heaps in advance.
Why does a certain element feel the need to slag off demios ??? How many of the nay sayers have set up there own Trackers and P2P sites ??? not too many I am sure.
I read dozens of posts but didn’t feel like going through 300 instances of name calling. That’s why I believe I’m not the first one to add this : people are raging against both Demonoid and the CRIAA yet they seem to forget Google.
Recently, while looking for info about a product manufactured in Taiwan, I was told by Google that some of the results could not be displayed because the said product contrevened the provisions of the DMCA, according to an australian company. I don’t get it : why sould that DMCA crap apply to a canadian citizen living in his home town ?
@ bert. post 302 It is obvious that you are unaware of the situation. Where have you been for the last month? Your comment is a total non-seqituer. Why don’t you just fuck off? Deimos is a dumb-ass jerk-off.
to Andrew, post 303. It is very simple. Google is based in the US. They have to obey US law. That way the mega-corps get to fuck the whole world. Simple, eh? Nice? No. But that is the way things are, until the US pulls their head out of their ass, or until Google moves to a safe haven. Google is also censoring a lot of images on their maps. Nice? No, but they do suck up to their government and the governments of other countries who claim that the images can be used by terrorists. This is patent bullshit, when a terrorist can usually walk by and take all the pictures they want. Street maps are easily gotten as well. Try getting a good arial view of an area south-east of Dimona, Israel, where they build their nuclear weapons. Everything on either side is fairly good imagery, but the strip showing the site looks like a pepperoni pizza. Mind you, being within 10 miles of that place will get you shot. They’ve even shot down their own air force plnes that got too close. So, what’s going on? The freedom of informatiom flow is being seriously eroded and controlled by governments who, apparently, have nothing better to do than fuck you around. Does that answer your question?
When the question of where to find obscure music comes up, how come no one ever mentions IRC? If you can’t find it on torrent sites, it’s usually somewhere on IRC.
are you retarted…
your hole argument is so selfish
all you care about and go on about is yourself and how they’ve killed your likeing of the music industry.
have you thought about anyone else in this…no you haven’t!
and now because of you demonoid is shut down…
That letter %!#¤” the music-industry over pretty good. As it should.
Deimos isnt lieing. I hate the anti-piracy shit. Fucking great letter. FUCK CRIA!!! I am lost without Demonoid =[
-iCurse
To Whom It May Concern at the CRIA:
Hi I am am a computer tech. I have been using Demonoid for the past 2 years now and have supported it for 2 years. I disagree with the actions that you are taking with demonoid. If people decide to post a torrent up on the net for others to download, how is that stealing? Really if you think about it how did that torrent begin? It began with somebody going to a store wasting money on a music CD that had only one or two songs they liked on it because the artist sucks at puting great songs on his or her album for the consumers money. Now that sounds alot like the artist is stealing from the consumers pocket. I mean the consumer pays good money for a music cd to hear lots of great songs, not crap. So how does the consumer fix this problem? They start by ripping there cd’s and DVD’s and post them online as torrents so others wouldn’t have to waste there money on an artist crappy music (Makes Sence). So why take from the consumer and the p2p sites and companys like napster who are trying to help people save there money from a bunch of rip offs like your company portrays itself. Your company thoroughly disgusses me and I stand as 1 of the millions of people who dislike you and artist and anybody who bitches about this matter. So I thank you and Companys out there who think there fighting this matter but are really making an ass of there self’s.
Sincerely,
A pissed off P2P user
P.S. There are tons and tons of P2P sites out there, so you can try to close them down but more and more appear.
Amazing how there are over 300 posts so fat and there is absolutely no mention of the SPP (spp.gov) or the North American Union. The globalist power grab to take away -all- of the rights you people have lazily allowed profiteering collectivists to do with your governments.
See a pattern yet?
Reality spike – if you had half the passion to understand the information at these site (globalresearch.ca & radioliberty.com) you would actually do something about the events that transpire rather than sitting on your ass to wait for the next download.
This is nothing less than the idea that many puppets in government think that they are the gods to decide how you live and in what way.
It’s really no surprise that no one is aware of this stuff as much of the music you listen to -is- designed to erase your ability to use what’s known as critical thinking.
Next big event – all of you will be so broke from not holding the perpetrators accountable (the planned dollar bust acknowledged by Greenspan in 1967), you’ll actually forget all about downloading anyway.
Have a nice day.
Just because something isn’t against the law doesn’t mean people won’t try to sue. Just because some pencil pusher who asked CRIA if this was true and they said no, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t lie, if they said yes they did there would be problems. The letter was obviously made to rally the people, but CRIA saying they aren’t responsible causes confusion and controversy, if they said yes, that they were responsible they would only rally more people against them, who has more to gain by lying? Demonoid? Or CRIA? Demonoid only gains support by people, CRIA gains controversy and a potential stopper to the rally. File sharing may not be “illegal” but companies have been trying to sue people for many years nonetheless. So the issue has become, who are you going to believe. And industry which is choking the life out of non-mainstream music, or a website that is non-profit and is looking out for all those music lovers? You decide and do it quick.
I fuck all Canadian STUPIDSHITHEADS…..Can you stop brathin` or something …..you can stop us …..please seed more from canada….fuck off again and die in hell…you stupid fuck
hnvkjbfvlkbvlfkhbvnhhnnhgn jyjtyujrtjl ;lahariotp8euyt50
Its time to wake up the industry isnt what it was NO MORE FLAKEY CONTRACTS,DON KING LIKE AGENTS AND no need for recording giants contracts to bind…the self produced product is of the quality if not SUPERIOR to anything the has been record producers put out!sorry but watch as the DIGITAL AGE SWALLOWS cria and its under skilled lames! DEMANOID HANG TIGHT move to calif.theres many servers that will comp you….We dont rattle from the bark of cria…were the rattlers!Sunnyvale,Ca. where it all started be looking out Demanoid for friendly servers to get you back where you were and work so hard to build…CRIA FIND SOMTHING TO DO! CEO…….SJC
100% FACT >>>>SO TRUE !!!
I’m just wondering what the CRIA are doing in New Zealand as I can’t seem to access the site either..
although reading the more intelligable responces those that don’t degenerate into curseing and namecalling
there a thought that I haven’t seen brought up and while I note I don’t know much at all about international law (though it seems international law appears to count for little these days ‘Extraordinary Renditions’ spring to mind) would it not be possible that another lobby group has applied pressure somewhere in which accumilated to said letter.. if letter exists fraudulant or otherwise, with the extended clause of do this and there’ll be no harm no foul but must maintain confidentiality on the deal!?
again, I’d point out this is just a thought, and there have been valid points on both sides of the debate made
p.s. for those that would attack my apparent lack of grammer and spelling, I’m one of those people that tends to type faster then accuracy allows and thus have found much joy in the ‘edit’ button that some forums allow ;)
Demonoid was taken down a week ago (by order of CRIA).
[quote comment="180689"]i live in the usa. that is the land of the free. :O)[/quote]
I live in America too. And sadly to say any American that thinks they live in the “land of the free”, must be on crack.
Wake up! You live in the most surveilled country in the world. Sad truth…
Haven’t bought a CD in a long time and this christmas will make sure that no one in my family buys a CD as a present, time to hit them where it hurts in their pockets. If we get a campaign for people not to buy CD and pass the message on some of the record companies WILL change……..
“The CRIA threatened the company renting the servers to us, and because of this it is not possible to keep the site online. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your understanding.”
This doesn’t sound right…
1) The CRIA has no need to threaten, if they have legitimate case they simply close you down by law.
2) Very short announcement from someone who’s interested in all this enough to host Demonoid thus far.
I would expect more.. A protest? A thank you note to fans and goodbye? A “temporarily” added in to show he’s still looking into the matter?
Hell, I’d even settle for whining.
3) “The CRIA threatened the company renting the servers to us…”
-what? they have no name? And because of the threat to the host, demonoid is out the door? Look for new host! Protest to your host that you don’t care as long as you’re legal in what you do.
All in all, either he was threatened by mafia or something, or HE himself wants to close down the site.
I agree 100% with the Open Letter, but let’s not be too naive here, ok?
This sounds fake.
Or… could it be hacked? (^.-)
[quote comment="211093"][quote comment="180689"]i live in the usa. that is the land of the free. :O)[/quote]
I live in America too. And sadly to say any American that thinks they live in the “land of the free”, must be on crack.
Wake up! You live in the most surveilled country in the world. Sad truth…[/quote]
..and you don’t live in America. That’s the whole continent. You live in United States of America -something you guys always forget
*mumbles*there be dragons to the south…
Excellent diatribe, couldn’t agree more because I listen to metal too and you’ll never see a bands like Sleep, Manatees, or Agalloch pimped out like whatever the latest pop trend is.
Use riaaradar dot com before you buy any album so that you know you’re not supporting the RIAA.
NEITHER OF YOU GUYS IS SEEING THE HOLE TRUTH BEHIND THIS ALL CONFUSION………VERY SAD…..
Hope CRIA has read this and learned a lesson, i will never buy another cd thanks to them
I think the musicians should all have their own websites and accept donations.
Cut the record companies out of the financial loop.
Let the record companies charge for what it costs to produce a CD (under $5 CAN or US). If people like the music and musician they go to the musician’s website and make a donation.
Simple eh!
Cody
[quote comment="213918"]I think the musicians should all have their own websites and accept donations.
Cut the record companies out of the financial loop.
Let the record companies charge for what it costs to produce a CD (under $5 CAN or US). If people like the music and musician they go to the musician’s website and make a donation.
Simple eh!
Cody[/quote]
Record companies are required to create meaningless crap for people to buy.
That hits the nail right on the head! I believe that the following is a great idea, the big recording companies don’t need any more of my money! [quote comment="213918"]I think the musicians should all have their own websites and accept donations.
Cut the record companies out of the financial loop.
Let the record companies charge for what it costs to produce a CD (under $5 CAN or US). If people like the music and musician they go to the musician’s website and make a donation.
Simple eh!
Cody[/quote]
As a personal opinion:
The CRIA does not and will not ever care about what most of you guys will say.
Yes all you guys are protesting about this, but so what? They aren’t losing much customers, you guys are just those who rarely buy and usually donwload.
The CRIA did closed Demonoid for more PROFIT. Arguing and protesting like this will just make them happier…
good shout! i agree 100% bring back demonoid!
[quote comment="220951"]As a personal opinion:
The CRIA does not and will not ever care about what most of you guys will say.
Yes all you guys are protesting about this, but so what? They aren’t losing much customers, you guys are just those who rarely buy and usually donwload.
The CRIA did closed Demonoid for more PROFIT. Arguing and protesting like this will just make them happier…[/quote]
Yes but Reading That A recent artist in his 30’s As sold over 650,000 units in the first week in the UK alone…. I think Filesharers are still small pittence… the “middle man” whines because they no longer have TOTAL Profit margin…. How pathetic the middle men are….
I am happy to get whatever I can from the internet….. It’s all information to me anyways….
cheers
Shutting down Demonoid means a much more clever File sharing site will return in its place…. I welcome it
the CRIA happy or not Exists because of the people…. Force government to back off by the people and you’ll see a different CRIA :P
It’s just getting there is what’s misleading…. but it’s rather simple…. Force Sellers to realise they cannot have ALL the pie….
but there aren’t enough people sharing files… yet… we’re still small in number – wih Globalisation – we can continue this without interruption for what? another 10-20 years?
Cheers
jaymarcs@hotmail.com
I live in a 3rd world country where it is not unusual for a govt to close things down quite easily. If what Demonoid said is true, I’m amazed that they went belly-up without a fuss. In that case, they’re no better than the music industry – a dying activity. (Doesn’t the phrase ‘music industry’ sound like an oxymoron to anyone else?)I grew up listening to bands that existed before the ‘rock/pop star’ madness became the nauseating norm it is now. Does anyone remember the Grateful Dead? They made a living playing their music live, which is how music was disseminated even further way back, before any kind of technology (and therefore, industry)intervened. The music industry needs to know that the Dead had a far more stable and honest ‘revenue model’ than these turds ever have.
Fuck Demonoid – who cares! Fuck the industry – I care enough to love the idea. Music lives forever.
I used to buy two or three cds a week minimum. They were invariably electronic imports bought from Virgin etc… That’s about 5 grand a year. The last cd I bought was about 4 yrs ago. I just got sick of that sinking feeling I got when I realized the disc I just bought is crap, save the one single. It’s the feeling I got when you naively entered into a trade as a kid and got a broken toy… NEVER AGAIN. CRIA, shouldn’t you really be the CRIAA? (”Canadian” Recording Industry Association of AMERICA)
Man, I’m Canadian and the actions taken by the CRIA just piss me right off.
They only advocate on behalf of the major US recording labels anyways. WTF is with that? It’s all just a money grab…
All the best metal bands NEVER get radio play or serious promotion by recording labels. No way in hell I’m ever buying a CD again unless its directly from the band at a live show. At least then I know that the band is making the profit.
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting!
BOSH
Amen.
I am boycotting the music industry until they start doing what we tell them instead of the other way around.
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:
Hell yea!
Well, Consider this RIAA and CRIA… Do you know of the legendary place know as EGYPT.. Well, yeah it’s full of people who can’t find a single original copy of a rock or a metal album for any artist sold anywhere… If you really want to expand your profits well open stores here and promote along the middle east put your mark everywhere. Demonoid was our only pass way to listen to some really good music and discover new artists not go on listening to Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera like all those brain washed. Those are my 2 cents (Baraiez).
As a former vinyl lover U’ll get no complaints here. I’ve been sayin it since ‘91 when they tried to ban the dj compilation dubs that Rock N Soul in NYC was selling.
Whatever happened to Demonoid is annoying beyond belief, and I have to agree with “A former music buyer”.
If the CRIA is behind the shut down, so what? Other tracker will take over, thats the glory of de-centralized services.
The music industry is a bunch of cry babies, constantly complaining about lost income, despite their continued increase in sales.
I personally find it hilarious that the music industry think they would make more money, simply by stopping internet pirating.
I would never pay a single cent for 90% of the music being played on a daily basis, and if I couldn’t DL it, then I wouldn’t have it.
march considerately orchestral lecturing sportswriter proscenium term resigns
aqueducts Eve!ink tastefulness economizing.behaved,.
score railroaders sandpaper,subscripts rephrased thematic.motoring,mast faithfully
digitizing formally Verderer pervading.Baileys obsolete peacocks
Hey Sniper, “the butt wiper”… have you ever heard of “citing your sources”? You know the ethics of research demand that those be credited for their work and their writing. Not to do so is to plagiarize, to intentionally or unintentionally appropriate the ideas, language, or work of another without sufficient acknowledgement that such material is not one's own. It also makes your point more interesting by providing clear evidence of the facts you are trying to present you stupid ass dip shit! So go and suck on your momma’s titty some more and leave people alone. Just because people agree with each other does not mean they are followers that don’t have original thoughts of their own you f___ing FASCIST!
16 references to this post
Responses are closed
All remaining responses will continue to be archived. Use the TorrentFreak forums if you want to discuss something.