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Apple’s iTunes Sued By Artist for Pirating Music

Apple’s iTunes is being sued by Korvel Sutton, a member of the former rap group Pretty Boy Gangsters. The lawsuit filed at the U.S. District Court in California lists ten compilation albums being sold through iTunes that include copyrighted tracks from Pretty Boy Gangsters. All tracks are being sold without Sutton’s permission and to date he has received no compensation or royalties.

The rap formation Pretty Boy Gangsters are almost completely unknown to the public today, but their cassette release of the album “Rollin Like a Star” is a classic in certain circles. In the early 90s and beyond the track “K The Buster” appeared on several compilation albums next to titles from NWA, 2 Live Crew and Eazy E.

Nearly two decades later, Pretty Boy Gangsters’ Korvel Sutton is in the news again as he takes on Apple. Sutton claims that the Cupertino-based company is illegally distributing his music worldwide by including it in at least ten compilation albums.

This week Sutton, who hasn’t hired an attorney but is representing himself, filed a lawsuit at the U.S. District Court in California. In the brief complaint obtained by TorrentFreak he explains that Apple’s iTunes Store is selling several of of his tracks without permission. The works are being offered in 23 territories but according to Sutton, Apple is doing this without the necessary permission.

Attached to the complaint Sutton introduces several pieces of evidence including a copy of the U.S. copyright registration and a photocopy of the “Rollin Like a Star” cassette tape. He further provides the Court with the full list of compilation albums where his rights are being infringed, including “2 Live Crew & Posse“, “West Coast Posse 1” and “Elektro Hip Hop Party Vol. 3.”


A copy of the cassette is provided as evidence.

pretty boy gangsters - rollin like a star

According to information provided by Apple in an email, the disputed compilations were provided by the Dutch label Rams Horn Record. Interestingly, this not the first time this label has been involved in a copyright dispute. In 2004, Rams Horn lost a lawsuit against none other than Eminem for distributing his music without permission.

If Sutton’s claims are correct, Apple can be held liable for several copyright-related offenses for their part in illegally selling Pretty Boy Gangsters tracks. However, from the looks of it Rams Horn Record – who are not named in the lawsuit – may play an even bigger role as they provided the compilations in the first instance.

It is not an isolated incident for an artist not to get their cut when money is made from compilation albums. In Canada a group of artists won a class action lawsuit against Warner Music, Sony BMG Music, EMI Music and Universal Music for unauthorized use of their music in compilation albums. Together the labels pirated 300,000 tracks, for which they had to pay the artists $50 million in damages.

Whether Apple are found guilty or not, it is unlikely that the lawsuit will put a dent in the company’s healthy revenue streams. Unlike other copyright lawsuits we’ve seen in the past, Korvel Sutton is not asking for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Instead of claiming outrageous statutory damages, he simply wants complete payment of all royalties owed to date.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/i3rucei3ruce Bruce Spart Ludlow

    I just have to say that class action lawsuits often screw over the people involved… when it says “$50 million”, a fat chunk of that is actually going to the court and attorneys. Once, I got all of twenty-four dollars from a class action settlement of over $17 million. That’s probably part of the reason this guy is representing himself. It’s the only way he’ll get anything meaningful of the money he deserves.

    • Wordtokyle

      $24 bucks is actually a lot for a class action… typically you only get pennies after postage… but that’s the point of class action lawsuits… get paid as a lawyer who stands up for thousands or millions of idiots who would otherwise not know any better…

  • Anoniwizer

    Shame on Korvel Sutton. He should be grateful that his crappy songs are even on for sale.

    • Zzzz

      Someons been feeding apples to the troll.

    • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

      Would you be grateful if your work was ‘on sale’ and you were getting nothing from it?

      • Danny

        He made this music like 20 years ago.
        Its time he got a real job, stupid layabout!

        • Josh C

          I agree this guy needs to either make new (and probably better music; this has shitty hip hop wannabe written all over it) or get a better job, but at least this guy only wants the money that he should be getting under Apple’s own terms.

      • Fugasmic

        Because groups like The Beatles aren’t still getting shedloads of cash decades later are they. Of course because it’s not mainstream or hugely popular it’s ok not to pay them isn’t it.

        If they made it, and it sold then they are entitled to the money the same as everyone else regardless of someone’s opinion or popularity of the music.

        • Fugasmic

          The above was actually in response to Danny, not Crash (clicked the wrong reply button…doh!!!)

      • http://www.facebook.com/bethea1 Joseph Bethea

        yea if it were real music but these non- talent rappers should be glad if anyone listen to their crap let alone sell it

    • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

      That makes no sense.

    • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

      That makes no sense.

    • Ven

      No, he is the rightful person to receive royalties from his works.

      Whether or not you agree with copyright in it’s current form, you should see that content creators shouldn’t be getting cut out so some random fraudulent label can make some extra cash.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        No, no, no, Ven….Copyright, the way it actually works is for the labels. Not the artists.

        You are confusing the theory with the real effect.

        And that’s my main beef with copyright – you can’t set it up in it’s current format and keep it as a weapon for creators against commercial infringement. Instead you invariably end up with copyright being a weapon for main distributors against both consumers and artists.

        Because a major company will always have better lawyers than you do.

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    But… But… Copyright!

    Because MAFIAA (read: the labels) is for the artists and not to themselves.

    • Ryzzo

      Exactly! This is what copyright was intended for, not for suing non-commercial file-sharers. It’s almost ashame that he isn’t going for the statutory damages since they use them to bankrupt single mothers, but I respect him for just wanting what’s owed to him for the sale of his music by yet another middleman.

      Also, great old school track!

  • Herbert

    he should have gone for the jugular. if the situation were reversed and he was doing something against Apple, they certainly would have! but then this is typical of the big companies. do what they want, make a fortune for as long as they can get away with it, then cry wolf!

  • Zzzz

    I wonder if he’ll get tens of thousands of dollars for every song they sold.
    Oh wait, it’s different rules when they pirate music.

  • Friend of the People

    Why isn’t there a statement from Apple here? Or a placeholder saying that an attempt to contact Apple was made? I see a due diligence problem here.

    That said, if these allegations are true, then he certainly has the right to what he’s asking for, at the very least.

    • Friend of the People

      Oh wait, there is. My bad. Never mind. I fail there

      • Anonymous

        We all make mistakes.

        Also, Apple tends to be quiet in regards to most things until they are ready to make a statement. Usually after they look into the situation after being made aware of it.

  • Plop

    Hang about… they’re SELLING copies of his tracks without his consent. That’s not piracy, that’s COUNTERFEITING!

    • Jesus TittyFucking Christ

      Where’s Joe ‘Sold-his-Soul-in-Vietnam’ Biden and his crack squad of NSA fags when ya need’em?

  • Randy_Lahey

    Its great how Apple is so 3rd reich about jailbreaking and shit, but when it comes down to it they’re just as typical a business as any other..Typical ‘do as I say not as I do’ that the world of politics just loves to sing and dance around. Apple’s only real contribution to the world was the DMCA exemptions granted a while back – that actually helped M. Crippen to get the federal government and their pinheads to drop their frivolous lawsuit against him, which normally never happens.

    So I raise my glass to you, Steve, for your chilling effects! Just keep doing exactly what it is you are paying your employees to do, and it will all work out in the end for everyone.

  • Bizarro DHS

    The only answer is to seize Apple’s domain and raid their servers for operating a counterfeiting ring.

    • Jeff Bekcer

      Apple then would proceed to raid the artist’s home and grab all their
      computers on the grounds of infringing on apple’s Intellectual Property. They could have other songs that are owned by Apple on those computers so it is TOTALLY justified just like with the gizmodo guy.

  • Bizarro DHS

    The only answer is to seize Apple’s domain and raid their servers for operating a counterfeiting ring.

  • Mr.Afghanistan

    iTunes is hurting artists more then any pirate site.
    iTunes is hosting the Music files and providing access to millions of iTunes clients, people buying Music and profit goes to Apple!!!

    Apple is not giving even a penny to artists, iTunes store is hosting 90+% illegal Music and files which they don’t have permission to do so. Maybe singer is no more alive or alive and don’t know about iTunes store.

    Apple is making $ from others hard work. At least Pirate sites are not making money from Artists songs or files, they share with each other but iTunes is stealing Artists money in front of their eyes and US Government is doing nothing to stop it.

    US Law is bullsh!t at it’s best !

    • Josh C

      [citation needed]

    • http://www.newser.com/user/52007115/1/chas-m.html chas_m

      I believe the bullsh!t here is all coming from YOU.

      This case aside, Apple pays artists. I am living proof of this, and in fact they pay more (as a percentage) to artists than record deals from 10 years ago did.

      Yes, MOST of the money on each track goes to the copyright holder (usually not the artist, usually the record company — who then have to pay the publisher, which often IS the artist), and Apple itself (as the distributor — again they take a WAY lower cut than CD distributors do!), but the artist DOES IN FACT get some of the money from each sale.

      If you’d care to explain which pirate sites are PAYING ARTISTS (or indeed anyone besides themselves, yes they make money via advertising you dolt), I and the rest of the recording community would be very interested.

    • Anoniwizer

      You talking out of your arse again?

    • Ven

      Actually, Apple has made it fairly clear that they don’t turn a profit directly off of Itunes sales. Also, they pay about 70 cents on the dollar to copyrights holders.

      You can make dang good money as an artist if you throw your own music up there (through a “Label” like Tunecore).

      • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

        Have to call this……no choice…… BULL

        30% cut of all sales…..
        Automated payment system…..
        Cheap bandwidth……Usually at very low cost per item sold……
        Cheap server costs , for hosting music…..

        from Apple
        February 2010

        iTunes Store tops 10 billion songs sold

        10 billion units @ 1$ = 10 billion dollars…. revenue
        30% cut… = 3 billion dollars ….

        Now…. does the server hardware , automated payment system , bandwidth etc…

        Does it cost 3 Billion dollars …. to run itunes from 2003 – 2010…… ?

        BULL…..

        • Anoniwizer

          Ok so Apple made $3 billion and you don’t like that. Going by your calculations the labels and the artists made $7 billion from those sales doing nothing but allowing Apple to sell their songs. So the way I see its win-win for all. Don’t tell me you find something wrong with that as well.

        • AnonsSuckTheBigOne

          @ Anoniwizer

          “Shame on Korvel Sutton. He should be grateful that his crappy songs are even on for sale. ”

          Perhaps you could explain to us then, why, if you’re apparently such a fan of supporting the artists and them getting their dues, it is you made such a comment earlier? It would seem, based on that comment, that you don’t approve of Korvel Sutton getting what he deserves. You’re kind of saying, “Too f*cking bad. You should be grateful and lick the boots of Apple and the label for even putting your music up for sale.” Which is wrong, especially when you take that one comment into context of all the other things you are saying/have been saying.

          Also, that $7 billion figure you’re taking from ANoiXioNA’s comment is still wrong, on your part I mean. That isn’t going to the labels and artists, not completely. From a quick search online it’s broken down in percentages. From that $7 billion about half goes to the label and the other half goes to the publishers (after the label has recouped it’s investment in an artist), after which an artist gets a percentage. And the percentage I’m seeing that artists get is around 9%. So doing the math on that $7 billion, and using that 9% figure, from that $7 billion only $630 million went to artists.

          That doesn’t seem very win win for me. The labels are pretty much keeping all the money. Emphasis on pretty much. Which means the labels made $6.37 billion doing nothing but allowing Apple to sell THEIR songs, because artists tend to have no control/ownership over their music after a certain point (and for the most part). As has been made clear in a few random scandals, one of the most notable of which involved Britney Spears, who got caught downloading her own songs, which she justified by saying it was HER music, but which the labels politely laughed at and said it was THEIR music. Don’t tell me you DON’T find something wrong with that as well. And by “wrong with that” I mean, the labels taking all the profits and tossing a pittance to the people who actually made the music and created something.

          @ ANoiXioNA

          I’d never heard of Tunecore, so I looked into it. After doing a bit of reading it does seem like a viable option for artists. But one thing worth pointing out is that it’s ONLY a viable option for those who aren’t currently signed with any other label. I.e. independent artists. Otherwise the old business models will apply to them and we’re back to them being lucky to get a percentage of any sales. So for most “established” artists Tunecore is no real option for them, unless of course their contracts with any given label are up or going to run out soon.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          @Anoniwizer

          WTF are you talking about ?

          YOUR whole comment is utter nonsense …… as in…. does not make sense….

          ___________________ a quick paraphrase……

          @Ven … said… “”Apple don’t profit from itunes “”

          I SAID … “”bull … they do profit from itunes “”

          @Anoniwizer… said….. “”bla de bla .. WHY do you hate Apple profiting”"

          @Anoniwizer …..WTF are you talking about ?

        • Ven

          You are failing to account for marketing, living/breathing support teams, and other on-going costs. People disagree as to how much Apple profits from Itunes, but most analysts agree the real benefit for Apple is in the closed system that continues to sell Ipods, Iphones, and Ipads.

          But yes, I would rather discuss how awesome Tunecore is.

  • Shades66

    Will they be liable for all the pirated copies too? After all every copy is a lost sale according to the *IAA. All their “paid for” studies say so…

    lol

  • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

    let me throw this thought in. theres been a mass effort to take down websites that have a remote feelign of piracy, so im gonna guess this will happen to itunes site aswell? or does the green stuff work harder for those in control to leave apple alone.

    • Ven

      Why?

      Most of the folks behind those mass efforts believe that the middlemen (like ISPs and server/network admins) shouldn’t be responsible for the content that flows on their systems. In this case, Apple initially approved these songs to be sold on Itunes based on the reputation of the uploader as a label (Apple won’t work directly with artists). They have most likely been paying royalties to that label through a PRO.

      Now the label may be crooked, or they got rights to the music through the other name on the copyright, or they have rights through both of them. There are several potentially crooked parties here, but Apple is going to come away not being one of them. They responded to his complaint, and I’m sure they have a system in place to prove it.

      • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

        i think you missed my point. becuase nearly every website has had their domain takenf rom them, websites shut down and owners sued over remote wordings or links about piracy, will the same autorities take the same action against itunes or will they as i said see the green stuff more attractive that staying by the useless efforts of takling piracy, after all this is what they are now accused of doing. and it also seems that they punish all these websites an companies before even being proved guilty. but again i still believe itunes wont be touched by them even though they are now being accused of sellign pirated goods, which is an act of fruad.

        • Ven

          Apple has nothing to worry about because the case history is in their favor. Digital storefronts are not going to be held legally responsible for infringement they weren’t aware of as long as they keep a track record of who they deal with.

          It’s about the probability that Apple knew the infringement was taking place. Reasonably speaking, they wouldn’t. They deal with legitimate labels, which essentially guarantees that infringement cases like this one won’t be a problem (because the labels would have to be involved in hardcore counterfeiting to do such a thing).

  • FuzzyDuck

    This is a real example of piracy, distributing copyrighted material illegally for the purpose of making money off it. These are the things those hefty penalties were meant to apply to.

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  • Anonymous

    Apple are the retailer here I bet they had no idea Rams Horn Record are pirating these tracks. Apple have no interest in ripping off artists quite the reverse If you can get enough interest in your music Apple will sell it if you have a label or not you just make more money without a label.

    • Anonymous

      Yes Apple’s iTunes is just like a record shop where they get in titles from the labels for sale and their mutual profit. Technically they have been paying for the supplied music and to the owner of the compilation as well.

      The bad one in all this is Rams Horn Record when they are collecting the money from iTunes but then not paying out the royalties to the artists. The problem is we do not know why this is when it could be simply losing contact, a band breakup where only one of them is paid, or the dreaded “20 year due payment” list.

      I am sorry to say this but Pretty Boy Gangster’s case against Apple is not going to go well. It is not a record shop’s job to police contracts between artists and their record labels. Apple do not even have to pay this band any money when Apple in good faith has already paid for supplying this music.

      Apple would simply say go talk to Rams Horn Record. The court will tell them go talk to Rams Horn Record. Even I would tell them go talk to Rams Horn Record.

      The problem is if anything that Rams Horn Record has “fucked over” Pretty Boy Gangsters and other bands when that is what many record labels do. So since they ran up against a brick wall with Rams Horn Record then they tried to avoid this block by going direct to Apple. That did not work out either so he has unwisely tried to sue Apple.

      My advice is for him to give up asking Apple for his royalties when Rams Horn Record has that money and if he wants it he has to fight the dragon. My advice to him though is to achieve another goal against Apple which is to show the court that Rams Horn Record is in violation of their contract and to have the court ban Apple and others from supplying these compilations. That would be a beautiful solution when not only could he shut down iTunes supplying this music but everyone else like Spotify, Amazon and more. Just wave that court order at anyone who supplies this album and within the day it would go offline.

      Then we would see what record label would soon run to Pretty Boy Gangsters looking to pay their bill now that their golden goose had been lost. So all about getting his money the brutal way.

      • Ven

        This was my line of thinking as well: any reasonable person would have gone after the label and not Apple.

        You think there’s a chance he is hoping for a settlement with Apple? He didn’t ask for max penalties under the law, only royalties on music sold (which I’m assuming for an 80′s rapper isn’t high). He is representing himself, to increase his payoff should Apple settle.

        • Anonymous

          The reason I say Apple would not settle is for 3 reasons…

          1. Apple has already paid for supplying this music.

          2. Apple is acting lawfully.

          3. For Apple to get involved every time some artist runs into a dispute with their band or label would only waste their own time and money.

          It may be a small value but if they pay up then this opens the floodgates for thousands of other musicians.

        • Ven

          @Violated0

          I agree, although often legal teams do settle if they think they may be facing a scenario that damages their image as a company. Think about the headlines that could hurt them:

          Apple Sued by Artist Representing Himself Who Only Wants What is Owed.

          Even if only 1 in 100 people were dumb enough to accept that line without any other information, that is still a huge hit to Apple’s credibility in this day and age of mistrusting giant corporations.

          That said, I think the real reason Apple wouldn’t settle (if there is one) is that someone now has to go after the label and find out for certain who is infringing. Settling with the artist is only a good thing if the label is guilty and can be taken down for it.

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    Poor Artist……. IT is very complicated to handle such cases

  • aNON Producer

    There is an obvious problem with this case as much as I hate apple, it is the disturbers fault for allowing the upload to another service. AKA I could get a way with re launching lady gaga songs under a different name and no one would know until the purchase the songs.

  • K.Sutton

    To all those folks who don’t understand. Its all about him getting paid for all his work that he has done,over the years, when it comes to his music. I’m his lovely lil sister and I’m on his music as well ,and I think they owe him his ROYALTIES!! I love you bro and do your best in getting your “due”.

    • Anonymous

      The worst thing about American culture is it seems to view artistic creation as a job at worst and an industry at best.

      Art is neither a job, nor an industry – it’s an expression.

      If you believe artistic development must be rewarded with cash, you’re doing it wrong (and probably making really bad art).

      • Anoniwizer

        Artists need to feed themselves too you dolt. Yes, producing music is indeed a profession or else studios wouldn’t waste millions of dollars behind albums. If Artists don’t get paid for what they do, they would be begging on the street for alms.

      • Ven

        If you don’t artistic development is worth cash, then you essentially don’t value it at all.

        I prefer a society where art expression has tangible value.

    • Anonymous

      It is Rams Horn Record who owes him royalties. Has he tried asking them?

      If he wants money from iTunes he is welcome to upload his songs and albums himself.

      You had also better tell your brother to go do a vast amount of reading about copyright law, contract law and certainly court rules and procedures. Keep in mind he will be up against expert lawyers from Apple and if he walks in their uneducated them they will just walk all over him and he will only annoy many legal experts with his mistakes.

      As I said above I am very doubtful he will get money from Apple and if things go badly he may have a sizable legal bill to pay for wasting their time. So his best idea is to shut down the supply of these unauthorized albums. He may well find that Apple is quite agreeable to that idea when they would not want to see artists get ripped off by their labels.

      Your brother could then use that court order blocking distribution to force Rams Horn Record to pay up. Please make sure he reads the law.

    • Shane

      If someone is profiting off his work then yes he should be paid for it but also he should be going after the company that misrepresented itself as the owner – not the distributor who was an unknowing accomplice. He should be going after Rams Horn and just asking Apple for all future profits (if there are any).

  • Akbshwmn1

    Hey Y’all,
    Now we all know that we work hard at our jobs, no matter what they are, and we really like to get paid for it. That money causes us to be able to eat, have a home, drive a car, and sometimes go to a movie or some other entertainment.
    So why is it then that a big conglomorant like apple co. can just take someone’s hard work and throw it to the dogs like itunes to sell so they can go to foreign lands on vacations?
    I believe that Korvel has the right to receive the royalties due him as he put out the time and effort and the money to make and produce his music.
    I would be surprised if anyone with a job disagreed with me……..
    Keep Truckin Killer!!!!!

    • Anoniwizer

      You don’t get it do you? It’s not Apple’s fault at all. They acquire all their music from the labels after paying the necessary money. Now if the labels start selling music without paying artists their loyalties, how is that Apple’s fault?

      • Akbshwmn1

        HEY!!!!!!
        Do you work for Apple? You sure do seem to be on their side. Maybe you should be in the artist’s shoes, you might not be so……. OH, wait a minute!!!! Is all your stuff, like computer and other things all mac?
        Maybe you just have too much MONEY invested in mac and apple.

        just so you get it!!!!, remember it doesn’t matter what you do to earn an income, if you have to eat, and have a roof of some kind over your head, it still takes that old green stuff MONEY!!! I certainly hope you have a job! And I am sure that you like to eat, stay dry and warm, and drive to get somewhere. So don’t be such an ass as to think that you are the only one authorized to work and eat!
        GET ANOTHER LIFE!!!

  • Anonymous

    Finally them get to taste some of their own medicine! (if that’s the correct phrase in English)

    • Ohoh

      go fist themselves i would say

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Gee, wonder what is worrse, itunes putting up a few tracks for download without an artists permission or torrents sites putting up literally millions.

    • Anonymous

      i’m gonna go with option 3

      your desperate need for attention, any attention

    • Anonymous

      Worse, not worrse. I’m a stickler for spelling. And technically, the ones who are the legitimate and legal alternatives uploading songs without artists permission are much worse than torrent sites doing the same. Why? Because the legal ones are actually the ones who should do the honorable thing and not cheat artists nor avoid paying them royalties they are entitled to. It only hurts the artists and is further proof that the industries/corporations do not care about the artists and that they don’t practice what they preach. Which is pointing a finger at “pirates” and saying they are “stealing from the artists” while they themselves are doing the same. In fact, they’re taking it up a notch. “Pirates” are freely sharing something with one another, with no monetary gain for themselves. They’re doing it just to share the music with their fellow man. But the label here is giving Apple the songs to sell for profit. Apple takes a 30% cut of any sales (unless that’s changed recently, but I’m pretty sure it hasn’t), and the rest goes to the label. They’re essentially pirating for profit. Which is way worse a crime, more so when you factor in that they should and do know better.

      What’s even worse is that you try and put a spin on this situation to suit your own ill conceived and not so well thought out beliefs. I’m sure you’re perfectly okay with this artist being ripped off by his own label and Apple. That’s fine by you. But darn those “meddling kids and their internet, sharing things freely, who the f*ck do they think they are”. Seriously, just stfu already. Your stance is perfectly clear. Industries and corporations are saints and can do no wrong (even when there’s proof to the contrary) and everyone else is bad. Just say what you really mean, “f*ck the artists, long live the people who do not create and instead mooch of the work of others, i.e. long live the industries”. At least then we might respect you, not much, but perhaps a little. Then again, while you might not be a shill, you do act like one. I.e. spin things to suit you, even if all evidence says otherwise.

      • Ven

        I gotta ask Electric:

        You always write giant wall-of-text responses to this idiot. Why? If everyone would ignore him, he would go away. He is intelligent/learned enough to use complete sentences some of the time, so he knows that he is not contributing anything to any discussion here.

        I know it’s fun for people to point and laugh at him, but he goes away as soon as he doesn’t have anyone to piss back at him.

        • Anonymous

          He won’t go away. He’s been here the longest of any of the types that do what he does. And I don’t mean to write walls of text, but I hate writing one or two sentence replies because people tend to put a spin on them. If you’re not explicitly clear they’ll change what you say to suit them or put words in your mouth, which drives me nuts. I also hate ignorance, so I point things out to him and one or two others. It’s better to try and reason with some, even if they won’t stand to be reasoned with, in the hope that any who do follow them might at least learn something. And I’m sure there are some who do love his words but don’t comment, I’m writing more to show them that not everything he writes is correct.

          Probably wouldn’t have said a word to him if he hadn’t tried to put a spin on this. He’s trying to say the bad ones are the torrent sites, but not the label/Apple in this case. When they should be the ones doing the right thing. That pissed me off.

        • Anonymous

          He won’t go away. He’s been here the longest of any of the types that do what he does. And I don’t mean to write walls of text, but I hate writing one or two sentence replies because people tend to put a spin on them. If you’re not explicitly clear they’ll change what you say to suit them or put words in your mouth, which drives me nuts. I also hate ignorance, so I point things out to him and one or two others. It’s better to try and reason with some, even if they won’t stand to be reasoned with, in the hope that any who do follow them might at least learn something. And I’m sure there are some who do love his words but don’t comment, I’m writing more to show them that not everything he writes is correct.

          Probably wouldn’t have said a word to him if he hadn’t tried to put a spin on this. He’s trying to say the bad ones are the torrent sites, but not the label/Apple in this case. When they should be the ones doing the right thing. That pissed me off.

    • Zzzz

      Way to go with the hypocricy there Jack!
      You really are a sanctimonious asshole.

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  • The One That Knows

    PrettyBoy Gangsters is not owen by Rams Horn Records, it is owened by Pretty Boy Records. The oweners are Korvel Sutton and Rodrick Williams. They have not recived any -thing from Apple or Rams Horns.

  • The One That Knows

    PrettyBoy Gangsters is not owen by Rams Horn Records, it is owened by Pretty Boy Records. The oweners are Korvel Sutton and Rodrick Williams. They have not recived any -thing from Apple or Rams Horns.

  • Anonymous

    I am guessing Apple will quite happily settle on this one if the allegations are true. It is pennies to them plus they wont look like assholes for stealing from a small artist. To be honest I think the record label that distributed the compilation is as much to blame, but that is not half as good a story as someone suing Apple.

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  • Anon

    $80k for each pirated track, isn’t it?

  • K.Sutton

    Yall better listen to (The One Who Knows) and K.Sutton (his lil sis) we This is what we are telling yall..
    PrettyBoy Gangsters is not owen by Rams Horn Records, it is owened by Pretty Boy Records. The oweners are Korvel Sutton and Rodrick Williams. They have not recived any -thing from Apple or Rams Horns.

  • K.Sutton

    Yall better listen to (The One Who Knows) and K.Sutton (his lil sis) we This is what we are telling yall..
    PrettyBoy Gangsters is not owen by Rams Horn Records, it is owened by Pretty Boy Records. The oweners are Korvel Sutton and Rodrick Williams. They have not recived any -thing from Apple or Rams Horns.

  • lolz

    lol @ clusterfuck of a lawsuit.

  • lolz

    lol @ clusterfuck of a lawsuit.

  • Anonymous

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  • http://www.facebook.com/IoMrsFlirt Lila Doustou

    he should go after the record lable after all they are the ones who gave it to apple with out him saying it was ok to do so….the only reason he is not going after then is cause he dont want to lose. b/c apple will probly give him the money

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  • Anonymous

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  • K.Suton

    To the ones that don’t know the whole concept,of this sitiuation please don’t try to down my brother.Because he has been stripped from getting any money for his music..yall don’t even know you don’t take from a hard working person that is trying to make it in life!To live a better life then to struggle day by day,and to take care of his kids….So if your trying to put him down ,don’t even comment if you cant say anything nice dont make a comment at all…..cause think if it was you!!!!!!!!U would want ur compensation RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

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