BitTornado Bans All BitComet Users
Written by Ernesto on January 07, 2007BitTornado developer John Hoffman, better known as Shad0w, decided to ban BitComet users from accessing his client. Shad0w says that BitComet is gaming the system and stealing precious bandwidth, which results in slower speeds for all non-Bitcomet users.
BitComet is known to be a BitTorrent bully, similar to the recently introduced BitThief and BitTyrant. What makes this problem serious is the fact that BitComet is far more popular than the other two clients, so its effect on other peers is more serious.
Recently, BitComet started to exploit the super-seeding procedure, an invention by Shad0w that is also implemented in other popular clients like uTorrent. A super-seed detects peers that efficiently distribute data to other peers, and rewards them by sending them more data. This technique speeds up the overall speed of the swarm, and all other users benefit from it. However, not if it was up to the BitComet developers.
Shad0w explains, “When BitComet games super-seed, it induces the seed into thinking that the BitComet peer is very efficient at spreading data. As a result, the peer downloads faster than the rest of the peers, and typically doesn’t share that data as efficiently, costing the rest of the peers a lot of download time.”
The continuous efforts of the BitComet developers to cheat the system made Shad0w decide to ban all BitComet users. “Since BitComet has proven itself to be a harmful codebase, and since they have forced me to take steps I’d rather not have, I will also be banning connections from that client to my own client and tracker codebases. Should the BitComet developers decide to remove the exploitation code from their client, I will reconsider this decision.”
People may question whether it is a good decision to ban all BitComet users, but I think it is a wise one. In general, BitComet users are not the sharing type, so my prediction would be that it is more likely to speed up downloads, than to slow them down.
I’m with Shad0w on this, and I seriously hope that BitComet stops cheating, and will become more BitTorrent friendly in the future. I’ve used Shadow’s BitTorrent client for quite a while myself, and Shad0w is one of the most dedicated BitTorrent client developers around.
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Not only is BitComet slowing everyone else down, but they’re also stupidly shooting themselves in the foot. http://forums.degreez.net/viewtopic.php?t=7079
This is not the first time BitComet has annoyed the rest of the torrent community:
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1021
Man that shadow needs to wise up man there has been no compliants about this so what is his problem just because his client is old and outdate he ahould keep with the times. GRADE A WANKER GOES TO SHADOW
Cry more N00b
ZeroN00B, cry me a cheat river will ya?
bitcomet does indeed suck but there are 2 problems with this:
1. how can bitcomet game superseeding? as i’ve always seen it explained, a superseed judges a client’s upload by seeing how fast its pieces appear in the swarm. how can bitcomet make other clients lie about what they’ve recieved?
2. don’t lump bittyrant in with bitthief and bitcomet. it basically does the same thing as superseeding by prioritizing upload to other clients that upload fast.
Frank Castle you really know how to hit rock bottom don’t you…
I still prefer BitComet and even with the ban will continue to use it.
Does anyone even use that client? Bitcomet was fixed a long time ago, and I can’t think of anyone in the world who would agree with you. You suck
lol poor baby shad0w, BitComet users wont let him leech their bandwidth to support his shitty user base. By dividing the bittorrent community into private fiefdoms he damages EVERYONE including his own users! He can go fuck himself! While he lives in lalaland the rest of us will continue to use and support BitComet and all the other clients that don’t condescendingly decide who its users can and can not trade packets with or how. What he forgets is that the bandwidth is ours, the files are ours, and he has just one of many clients (and not nearly the best).
To shad0wsuck3rs:
From the perspective of a Bittornado user, this is bad news. a large number of people on any given torrent will now not be accessible to the client, and totally ignored. This will lead to less speed rather than more. Shad0w assumes every person on BitComet is obviously a thief, spoofing his super-special “super-seeding” and cheating the system to steal from him saying, they “typically doesn’t share that data as efficiently” . So he bans them. The Nazi’s were efficient too - at banning Jews! The real “democratic nature” of bittorrent is its ability to allow the people to decide both their commitment (upstream) and reward (downstream) on an individual and communal level. The more people that participate in any one torrent the faster the speeds. That doesn’t mean every person must saturate their connection with upstream packets at all times. If a feature is going to be added to an individual client, it shouldn’t require a ban of other users of the same basic system to work.
This is like trying to require a certain user agent to view a web site. BitComet will just add a setting to report that it is some other client.
Well done. We have had it banned on our tracker for a long time now because of this exact factor and because it not reporting stats correctly. I know many other private sites have done similar. Its great that another developer also see’s this and has also taken a stand. Congratulations and WELL DONE :)
You are going to dictate to me what peers I can connect too? I don’t think so. Goodbye BitTornado.
Its about time. The public tracker idiots will whine and complain, but everyone knows all the good stuff is on private trackers, and Bit Comet screws everyone else in the swarm, hurting the community, and reducing the numbers of people who want to upload new content. Shad0w is brave enough to take a stance against a shitty cheat client, unlike uTorrent’s whimpy developer (who recently sold out to hollywood). I’ve used the original ‘epxerimental client’ from shadow for years before switching to uTorrent a year or so ago. I needed a client that can schedule bandwidth and show all torrents in a single window. I might switch back, though, and start using Bit Tornado when the new version is released with the BC ban implemented.
I have played around with Azureus and the stuffit plugin, but Az is too much to deal with, it eats up way too much of my resources. Bit Tornado would be perfect if it had an updated GUI.
I have to wonder… is the MPAA/RIIAA employing boiler rooms of temps to sabotage P2P?
[quote comment="37005"]lol poor baby shad0w, BitComet users wont let him leech their bandwidth to support his shitty user base. By dividing the bittorrent community into private fiefdoms he damages EVERYONE including his own users! He can go fuck himself! While he lives in lalaland the rest of us will continue to use and support BitComet and all the other clients that don’t condescendingly decide who its users can and can not trade packets with or how. What he forgets is that the bandwidth is ours, the files are ours, and he has just one of many clients (and not nearly the best).
To shad0wsuck3rs:
From the perspective of a Bittornado user, this is bad news. a large number of people on any given torrent will now not be accessible to the client, and totally ignored. This will lead to less speed rather than more. Shad0w assumes every person on BitComet is obviously a thief, spoofing his super-special “super-seeding” and cheating the system to steal from him saying, they “typically doesn’t share that data as efficiently” . So he bans them. The Nazi’s were efficient too - at banning Jews! The real “democratic nature” of bittorrent is its ability to allow the people to decide both their commitment (upstream) and reward (downstream) on an individual and communal level. The more people that participate in any one torrent the faster the speeds. That doesn’t mean every person must saturate their connection with upstream packets at all times. If a feature is going to be added to an individual client, it shouldn’t require a ban of other users of the same basic system to work.[/quote]
BUWHAHAHAHA Dude you seriously made me laugh. More than Half of the Bit Torrent community HATES BitComet. I think what he did is good and this could result in others doing this and maybe ending the crappy hunk of Programing call”BitComet”.
Too bad bitcomet has such a stellar user interface, and is actually easy to use…
how do I ban people with the client bitcomet on utorrent?
[quote comment="37025"]how do I ban people with the client bitcomet on utorrent?[/quote]
You cant, µTorrent always plays nice, even with bitcomets.
[quote comment="37033"][quote comment="37025"]how do I ban people with the client bitcomet on utorrent?[/quote]
You cant, µTorrent always plays nice, even with bitcomets.[/quote]
You could just bann thier IP
@shad0wh@t3r
Hey dumbass. Seriously, dont take this ban on bitcomet personally.
We all saw this one coming, just change client.
And if you haven’t noticed: many, I mean many, seedboxes are running bittornado.
Im with Shad0w at this one.
I’m using bitcomet because I don’t have any other alternative!!
My pc is a bit outdated and Azureus is too heavy to run on it. uTorrent is an excellent program but lacks the NAT Traversal feature, and since I’m behind a router I can’t get good speeds with it neither connect to many peers (I’ve tried the guide available on their to port forwarding but with no results).
The thing is, I seed a lot, I often let my computer on all day just to seed! And now someone decided to ban me from whatever just because I’m using bitcomet!
I’d change my torrent client, but to which one? I need something with NAT Traversal, and the only one left that occurs to me is BitSpirit, but I really don’t like that client….
[quote comment="37038"]I’m using bitcomet because I don’t have any other alternative!!
My pc is a bit outdated and Azureus is too heavy to run on it. uTorrent is an excellent program but lacks the NAT Traversal feature, and since I’m behind a router I can’t get good speeds with it neither connect to many peers (I’ve tried the guide available on their to port forwarding but with no results).
The thing is, I seed a lot, I often let my computer on all day just to seed! And now someone decided to ban me from whatever just because I’m using bitcomet!
I’d change my torrent client, but to which one? I need something with NAT Traversal, and the only one left that occurs to me is BitSpirit, but I really don’t like that client….[/quote]
OK. What to do is forward the Port in your router to use utorrent. Also the reasons why you may get super Speeds With BitVomit is because it abuses Trackers and suchs.
[quote comment="37040"][quote comment="37038"]I’m using bitcomet because I don’t have any other alternative!!
My pc is a bit outdated and Azureus is too heavy to run on it. uTorrent is an excellent program but lacks the NAT Traversal feature, and since I’m behind a router I can’t get good speeds with it neither connect to many peers (I’ve tried the guide available on their to port forwarding but with no results).
The thing is, I seed a lot, I often let my computer on all day just to seed! And now someone decided to ban me from whatever just because I’m using bitcomet!
I’d change my torrent client, but to which one? I need something with NAT Traversal, and the only one left that occurs to me is BitSpirit, but I really don’t like that client….[/quote]
OK. What to do is forward the Port in your router to use utorrent. Also the reasons why you may get super Speeds With BitVomit is because it abuses Trackers and suchs.[/quote]
http://torrentfreak.com/bitcomet-the-bittorrent-bully/
Check there to see. Sorry for Double posting.
Shad0w is right; Bitcomet games the system and that sucks. Banning Bitcomet is the right thing to do. More sites should do the same!
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