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BitTorrent Pirates Go Nuts After TV Release Groups Dump Xvid

Some Internet piracy groups decided to implement some new regulations and standards last week. Instead of releasing TV shows in the Xvid/avi format, groups responsible for putting major TV shows online switched to MP4/x264. Outraged by the lack of democracy, some BitTorrent users are directing their anger at bewildered torrent sites and even threatening to boycott releases. For those who understand, the whole thing is pretty amusing.

Every now and again, the world’s most famous piracy release groups get together and have a big old meeting to decide how they’ll carry out their future activities. At the top of the agenda is an item of utmost importance – how to change things around to ensure the highest levels of annoyance and inconvenience for BitTorrent downloaders.

Ok, so the last sentence isn’t true, but nevertheless that appears to be the current assessment of events according to some BitTorrent users. Worryingly, the interpretation from others is even more wide of the mark.

The problem stems back to a new document which details a set of standards TV show release groups such as LOL and MOMENTUM will have to live up to in order to comply with so-called ‘Scene rules’. Not complying with the format means that a release group’s work risks being ‘nuked’ – a term which means something has been rated second-class by their pirating peers.

The document – ‘The SD x264 TV Releasing Standards 2012′ – is extremely detailed and covers all sorts of technical issues, but the main controversy stems from the adoption of the x264 codec.

“x264 has become the most advanced video codec over the past few years. Compared to Xvid, it is able to provide higher quality and compression at greater SD resolutions,” the rule document begins.

“This standard aims to bring quality control back to SD releases. There are many standalone players/streamers such as TviX, Popcorn Hour, WDTV HD Media Player, Boxee, Xtreamer, PS3, XBOX 360, iPad, & HDTVs that can playback H264 and AAC encapsulated in MP4,” the doc adds.

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From February 22nd and earlier in some cases, release groups including ASAP, BAJSKORV, C4TV, D2V, DiVERGE, FTP, KYR, LMAO, LOL, MOMENTUM, SYS, TLA and YesTV began releasing TV shows in the new format. Out went Xvid and avi, in came x264 and MP4.

However, while the release groups want to move with the times, there are many people consuming their content who either don’t or can’t. In the main, people seem disappointed because their standalone Xvid compatible DVD players won’t play the new releases.

Some of the reactions are polite enough, but show a misunderstanding of how the system works.

“LOL, why are all your new uploads MP4 format? How do we get hold of you? We need the AVI format back, really frustrating as most DVD players don’t play MP4 format which means we are back to converting format to AVI – how 3rd world LOL,” begins one user on popular torrent site EZTV.

“Hi there, I agree too please can you revert back to AVI as most DVD players cannot recognize MP4 format and this means I need to do conversion to AVI all the time for my grand mother and its quite painful,” says another.

At worst, some of the comments show an embarrassing sense of entitlement and an attitude that those downloading for free are actually “customers” of these release groups and as such deserve to be treated better.

“F@#k LOL and their mp4′s,” is just one example of the aggression directed towards them.

But there are another set of users who don’t understand where the releases come from at all and are instead directing their anger at the torrent sites – the equivalent of blaming Google for not listing the pictures people had hoped for in their image search.

“MP4 SUCKS AND IS A BULL SHIT FORMAT. AVI WILL ALWAYS BE KING. MORE TROUBLE THAN IS WORTH. TIME TO GET MY DOWNLOADS FROM A BETTER SITE THAT OFFERS AVI AND I KNOW A MAJORITY OF THE DOWN LOADERS WILL DO THE SAME,” shouts an EZTV user.

“SO I THINK EZTV HAS A LIMITED LIFE SPAN LEFT IF THEY DO NOT TELL DOWN LOADERS TO GO BACK TO AVI IT IS PROBABLY ALL OVER FOR THIS SITE.”

First off, these release groups aren’t deliberately releasing TV shows to please the masses. They do it for their own entertainment and it’s only when they leak out do the wider world get access to them. They are certainly not being put online to satisfy the needs of ALL CAPS MAN. Second, the torrent sites index other people’s content, they tend not to be the originators of it.

Sure, some of the more friendly but bewildered comments of upset downloaders are pretty amusing to read, but the more aggressive ones highlight a more worrying trend.

Somewhere along the line a consumer appeared who not only wants everything super quickly and for free, but also believes that the same should be offered with Class A service. Should these things not be delivered, he feels it is his right to take his “business” elsewhere. Could this become the new consumer standard for service on the Internet?

At the moment this toughest breed of consumer appears to be in the minority but thanks to the law of supply and demand, even he will find his needs served. Already people are ‘pirating’ the MP4 releases and re-uploading them in the Xvid format to satisfy his needs.

In the meantime, no doubt LOL and LMAO will be doing what their acronyms suggest.

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  • Anyone

    they did not abandon xvid, they just added x264 (though with time xvid will probably be discontinued)

    I personally would have preferred .mkv as a container instead of .mp4, but other than that it is better quality in a smaller file, what’s not to love?

    • Jonathan

      I concur. My only gripe is that they chose mp4 instead of mkv. MKV should be the defacto container standard my now. Mp4 should be on its way out.

      Other than that, just as you said, higher quality in smaller size, what’s not to love?

      • Anonymous

        There’s really no point to using MKV over MP4 for SD releases, with mp4 you get more compatibility with hardware, unless your using something from like 2004.

        • entropy

          And that’s why anime fansub groups leaves it to the dedicated “converter/re-encode groups” to convert from mkv to mp4 (usually for playback in mobile devices), while some also handle avi format re-encode.

        • Anonymous

          @entropy

          Na fansub groups use MKV because its the easier container to manage when you have things like subtitles and font attachments.

          MP4 is kind of a pain in the ass for doing that unless your hardcoding it in.

        • ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? u ?

          XviD is better ( deal with it )

        • Anonymous

          No it’s not, deal with it.

        • Guest

          @? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? u ?

          XviD is a codec not a container… AVI is a container developed by Micro$oft. Matroska is an ‘open standard free container format’ which of course is better than any Micro$hit does.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Bingo with the ‘better compatibility’ there. I personally hate that Subbed releases use .mkv, because Windows cannot by default show the picture/thumbnail for those files

        • Guest

          ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? u ? : Name one advantage of XviD over x264

        • Guest

          @Christopher Kidwell:
          That’s strange, all of the anime I download are in .mkv and I see thumbnails (Windows 7 64-bit, if that matters).

        • http://about.me/chris.charabaruk Chris Charabaruk

          @Christopher Kidwell:

          You just don’t have the right codec pack installed or configured properly. I have mkv thumbnailing, the KLCP installer makes it easy to get working.

        • Rtert

          name one thing….hmmm ..NAME

          XviD = better

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Sorry, but tried KLCP and, guess what? IT DID NOT MAKE THE THUMBNAILS APPEAR! Even after a restart. So, I am beginning to think that .mkv needs to go the way of the dodo or have some thing rewritten.

          The bottom line here is that I should not have to install a codec pack to get thumbnails going when my system already supports H.264.

        • Psyatika

          Then guess what? YOU’RE AN IDIOT, because you somehow screwed up something as simple as installing a codec.

        • Guest

          No better way to make your point completely worthless than to put a goddamn $ in Microsoft. Taking it further to Micro$shit? KING OF INTERNET COMEDY

        • http://twitter.com/twiitar Reinhard al-Sabah

          There is, it’s called “softsub support” you imbecile.
          MP4 is lackluster in comparison to MKV (which is also supported by a damn broad range thanks to DivX adopting MKV as .divx).

        • Borderliner

          > Name one advantage of XviD over x264
          Compatibility. XviD you can play on *anything*, starting from the ancient P2 your granpa uses for reading the news, over that cheap DVD player that you accuired 5 years ago which now powers you 4th TV, and ending with your high-end PC… with every player you can find. h264 is, pretty much, unusable below 1,5GHz and/or dedicated videocard which supports DXVA. And MP4/MKV usually needs a specific player, or atleast 3rd party splitter.
          Not to mention, that h264′s superiority ain’t really noticeable by SD, HDTV resolution (especially when it’s squeezed into CD-based files) is where it shines.

        • http://twitter.com/quietobserving Andrei Dascalu

          @Christopher Kidwell: seriously, if 20 people tell you they can see thumbnails (me included) but you can’t, it’s the technology that’s bullshit, not just one user who’s incompetent, right? If I were in your situation, I’d rather ask politely how it’s done, instead of being a crybaby.

          @Borderliner: we live in a world that goes forward. Nobody’s obliged to accomodate P2 users. Unlike big monopolies, there are no people being paid to keep releasing old tech (aka backward-compatibility). And you’re also wrong, xvid in avi container doesn’t play on *everything*. It plays natively on a handful of mobile devices, doesn’t play on consoles and if the codec itself is old enough doesn’t even play on some media players that theoretically support xvid. MKV is an overall better container, that has better support for subtitles and x264 offers better quality for a smaller size. MP4 container has better support over mobile devices

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/JVSOCGAKSOSXDNLVM22G4SSLLY Larry

          How can I stream MKV easily to my iPhone, iPad, PS3, XBox?

        • http://profiles.google.com/posimosh Alfred Shepperd IV

          Matroska format while great…. Is completely open and amorphous, had the scene sites done this people would be complaining that “this video has too many audio channels” or some other such bs…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NS5PLUJ2PVRME66VUECIGCZYGU Rick

        +1. If you prefer MKV though, it’s trivial to use something like MKVtoolnix to demux the streams and remux to a MKV container. It’s probably what I’ll do for things I want to keep, rather than the typical watch once and delete fare.

        I’m quite happy the scene is using x264, as it’s an awesome codec.

        • Camilo

          It reminds me I was hoping they used MKV and x264 waaaay before when RMVB was the popular low-bitrate standard.

          It happens I re-encoded anime for a girl I met online, and since she was on dial-up at the time, I found my ways to get an episode at about 20 MB with no visual artifacts (granted, slow encode time, filters applied and low/TV resoluton). 1MB per minute, instead of per second as most usually did. It was so fun to achieve those things! Now with the bountiful bandwidth and space my encoding skills are useless :(

        • Anonymous

          Not at all. Coders these days are extremely resource wasteful and many companies do much prefer people who can code all kinds of applications within limited space and resources.

        • Anonymous

          WOAH WOAH woah, u watch and delete? What a waste! im never downing anything if im not gonna keep. i think thats a common rule not spoken of. u know streaming is for that right?

        • Guest

          I usually keep everything I download too. That way I can share with friends and family later. They also share stuff with me every now and then. That way nobody has to waste time downloading everything.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          hosa, many things aren’t available for streaming for a long time but they are available for download via Bittorrent so…. yeah, I download and delete quite a bit.

        • Grouchy

          AVI is the garbage can. XviD is all the garbage inside the garbage can. :)

        • Psyatika

          LOL @ hosa.

          I have 6TB of disk space, and if i kept everything i downloaded, i would need triple that!

          There are certain things that i just don’t feel like archiving. Do i really need a back catalog of Daily Show/Colbert Report? Do i really need every WWE episode on my hard drive?

          GTFO

        • Bishca Shani

          @ Psyatika and Hosa. Back in the dark ages of internet speeds and tiny data caps when you had to wait hours, days or even weeks for something to download the concept of deleting it was so incredibly abhorrent you wouldn’t even consider it. Nowadays that just isn’t an issue, I have 30TB of storage with 12 TB of media (backed up). However I can acknowledge that this kind of hoarding isn’t really necessary anymore, I could replace all my media in a matter of months if I lost it all where it has taken me over 6 years to acquire it the first time round. Nonetheless that concept of possessing and storing your media even when its quite easy to replace it will continue to pervade as long as people remember how horrible it was to wait 8 hours for 20 minutes worth of SD video

      • Crappypants

        mp4 play standard on any device..ipod,ipad,android….mkv, not so much

        • http://mart-e.be/ mart-e

          If people have been stupid enough to buy iSomething that only play mp4, it is their problem, we should not adapt to them, let them convert their files.
          Android can read mkv (version 4+ or if using the correct app) as many other container format…

        • winki

          PSP and (afaik) PSVita too!

          When I was working abroad my PSP was a godsend – but converting everything to MP4 was a ballache.

        • http://brbcast.wordpress.com/ a-duh

          Jailbreak, download VLC.

        • Mishitan

          so Androids can’t handle mp4, poor machines.

        • Jacob Greenleaf

          Mishitan your an idiot… They can play MP4 as well as MKV, but MKV is much better than mp4..

        • http://redesigned.com redesigned

          it simply comes down to the fact that most devices can handle mp4 with x264 and very few can handle mkv. my last 5 digital cameras all played mp4 with tv out. my last few phones could play mp4. my multi-format dvd player can play discs with mp4s files on them. i even have a cheap digital picture frame that can play mp4s without issue. not one of those devices can play mkv. the benefits of mkv as a container just doesn’t outweigh the HUGE and growing hardware support list for mp4 with x264. mkv is a heck of a great container, it just never got the traction it needed.

      • Nyukkah

        Guys let’s stop looking gift horses in the mouth

        Complaining about free stuff? Really?

        • Proud Customer of Planet Earth

          The air we breath is free

        • Ok

          Yes, really, why the hell not?
          I also upload some stuff (for free!) and I’ll definitely listen to criticism and correct what I’m doing wrong. I don’t assume I’m a god, just because I managed to upload a movie.

          For example people who upload movies in 50 rars are idiots and need to be told so. I’m thankful if this is all I get and it’s free, but they’re still idiots.

        • tonyj

          Sounds like another Airvpn ad.

        • Anonymous

          wow.. in a way ur so materialistic.
          the question is: is it worth buying? if no then yeah id complain about free stuff just like i complain if im breathing car smoke.

        • Psyatika

          12 years olds and foreigners on TF complain about the US government all the time, and don’t pay a dime toward it.

        • Maxi

          “For example people who upload movies in 50 rars are idiots and need to be told so.”

          No. YOU are an idiot for disrespecting the scene and making the checksum files useless. Why just not keep everything intact? I regard every modification done to original scene releases as vandalism and only download unmodified, rarred releases. They are hard to find though, because of fools like you.

        • Problem

          “No. YOU are an idiot for disrespecting the scene and making the checksum files useless. Why just not keep everything intact?”

          The scene can use rars where they feel they’re appropriate.
          But rared content doesn’t make any sense with torrents or p2p in general. It just makes people delete the rars faster and not seed.
          Also checksums are useless when we’re talking about torrents, since anyone can submit fake (scene-like) content on p2p.

        • ignoranceisbliss

          @problem
          “But rared content doesn’t make any sense with torrents or p2p in general. ”

          Oh really? All it takes is someone with faulty memory in his computer or other hardware that is failing to upload uncompressed. Then every downloader has a corrupt file. That is the reason why releases are done in split up compressed files. Not to avoid fakes. If you have the above situation where there is corruption, all you need to do is get the one rar file that is corrupt from another source. If it were to avoid fakes they could just release it as one big file and put a check sum file of that big file in there.

          I guess thats what you get when the majority of people that are downloading these things are utterly clueless. Anyway, they are getting it for free like “Nyukkah” says, you don’t look a given horse in the mouth. Nobody forces you to download those releases so don’t bitch if you do so for free and you are not happy with them. Complaining about this just goes to show how disrespectful society is becoming.

        • Problem

          @ignoranceisbliss

          I’ve downloaded a hundred TB of stuff through torrents, never had an issue with corrupt content. If it was a real problem it would have been known. I could be wrong, but I think there might even be a checksum feature in the torrent protocol or at least in some clients.. and there are definitely some checksums included in some files as well.

          Also good quality private trackers don’t allow uploading content in rar files, for good reasons.

          Even if there is some advantage to rar files it’s far outweighed by the negative aspects.

        • Anonymous

          @ignoranceisbliss Bittorrent has checksumming built right into the system. Appropriate choice of handle, though. Meanwhile, there’s been plenty of instances where I’ve wasted a heap of bandwidth downloaded misleading and passworded .rar’s .. what a whole load of nonsense. Just kill it with fire.

        • http://redesigned.com redesigned

          the complaints are free as well. people will always complain. no one has to listen.

        • Mystiq

          It seems that most of you forget that some of the scene groups doesn’t support p2p/rapidshare/usenet/torrents/etc. Not because they want to make things difficult, but because using such programs expose your IPs to the public. They don’t want to take that risk with their members. Less risk = longevity & steady stream of releases.

          The majority of these groups also release in RAR. The only reason people like yourself can download the entire movie file(s) instead, is because some nub has extracted the file & made a torrent of it.

        • Charmian

           interesting to read the comments, i’m not up to speed on the  technical stuff, but i learn a lot. Also, I so appreciate that i can watch tv shows and movies, listen to music etc for free, and love all the people that work hard to share it with the world, well, most of it.

      • yell

        at least someone is understanding the benifits of such a switch… Its dissapointing others cant see the great benefits that this switch will cause… Now we just need it implemented for even SD movies…. as for the dvd player problem…Shit, a one off folk-over of some decent cash for a good bluray player… well after a while, the benefits are obvious..

      • Jo

        I’d just add “FINALLY”.
        I could never understand why inferior codec was still used in SD releases once x264 surfaced… anyone?

      • Pelonis

        MKV is the most prone for glitchy encoding. I have an alienware desktop with latest drivers etc. and about 1 of 3 MKV files have problems playing, sound sync usually but sometimes the file itself is bad and unplayable.

        This same problem has happened through several different computers and and been happening since I first started encountering mkv over 6 years ago. Sometimes I can try a different player but usually what happens is I have to download a different format.

        This rarely happens with any other format, just mkv.

        • tuf

          MKV is just a container.

        • Guest

          MKV is just a container as “tuf” said.
          You are obviously doing something wrong with encoding your content, and must be using some stupid encoding tool which doesn’t work properly for anything. The best way is to encode each stream separately and use mkvmerge to create the MKV files. I have never had a problem doing this.

        • Penguin_king_10

          Alienware is crap. There is your first problem. All my shit’s custom and done by hand the REAL way (you know, assembling my case and mods as needed, downloading my own drivers and manually installing them, manually overclocking my rig, pairing the right devices with the right hardware and chipsets to get optimal performance, etc). I’ve never once had a single problem with MKV, and I’ve watched over 2k episodes/videos/clips/w.e. in MKV containers, and encoded dozens myself with 0 problems or sync issues. One file was a bunch of different movies and episodes combined with subs and extras and a menu screen to select the file to watch, and totaled almost 1 TB. Still played fine with no sync issues.

          And for the comment way earlier, I’ve had proper thumbnail generation for over 6 years with MKV files, windows XP 32 and 64 bit, home and pro, windows 7 32 and 64 bit, home and pro and ultimate, and linux. No problems. You’re doing it wrong.

          Just because the masses like to use their iFad and they iGasm all over the place about their iCrap every chance they could, manufacturing companies started to tailor to the “limitations” of that market because they knew that those people had cash to burn and didn’t necessarily have the technical knowledge to know better, and that they wanted it to work without having to configure anything.

          Some of the brightest tech folks I’ve ever met do use Apple stuff, so I’m not saying it’s all crap or that only buffoons use it, and some of the last people that should ever use a PC I’ve ever met also use Apple stuff so I’m not saying that only tech savy people use Apple stuff. I’m throwing that out there because those knowledgeable individuals didn’t care what format it was in because they didn’t have a problem with playing the files. The ones that don’t know what they are doing do care because they can’t navigate around a different codec than the default and already installed ones in the common packages. Windows users are use to google searching why it wont play and then installing a third party program. A Linux user should never even have to ask why it’s not playing or have any problem navigating any common video codec. The iTools and Winderps are the only ones that will have a problem with what container/codec is used.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Duncan/535485993 Paul Duncan

        mp4 is used becuse it is playable on a much much bigger spectrum of what people have. It doesnt matter if mkv is a better format. When it comes down to it, if it doesnt play on what someone has, then it doesnt matter how good it is.

        • Anonymous

          But all those ancient donkey devices only play AVI crap!

      • http://twitter.com/therealjoxer Jeff Goss

        MKV? That is a PC-centric format, and I prefer to stream back via console or ATV2. MKV is a huge pain, and I’ve never once heard any reason why it should be used that weren’t esoteric pie in the sky arguments. I avoid mkv like the plague and look for AVIs at the very least.

        • Dale

          You can use Quicktime 7 to export MKV using “passthrough” to mp4. It doesn’t re-encode. Works perfectly on my ATV2.

        • Dale

          Takes about 3 min for an hour show.

        • Anonymous

          If you can’t find an MP4 version, you can always use MP4tolls on the mac to unwrap the MKV file http://www.emmgunn.com/mp4tools/mp4toolshome.html

      • Anonymous

        Why? Most media players don’t play MKV by default, Windows, OS X, iOS, PS3, Xbox and most TV sets among them. They do play MP4.

        • DEF

          That’s absolutely right. That said, I’m loving how my Samsung TV plays every file format, including MKV! It’s just brilliant; no need for a Blue Ray player when I can transfer my 720p/1080p content to the TV using a portable external hard drive.

      • TG-3323

        The only problem is they are not always a smaller size and most of the time have audio issues.

        Shows like Swamp people, Ax men, Gold Rush were all way over 500mb, so much for the smaller size. There was a guy TDXI who converted them all back to xvid and they were the right size with good audio. o i have no idea where this smaller size comes from, some of them are but usually the sound suffers because of it.

      • Hm234

         The quality difference between SD XVID and SD x264, XVID’s are a lot better and only slightly larger.

    • entropy

      Yeah, mkv > mp4 anytime. Anime fansub groups have already made the switch years ago (from avi to mkv). That’s why the “hot issue” right now is 10-bit v. 8-bit encoding. lol

      • ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? u ?

        Xvid is better than 10-bit

        people are stupid

        • tonyj

          And I thought Beta Max was better than VHS.

        • WHAT is his name

          you morons are responding to a person named…… I AM TROLLING

          r u all retarded

    • Anonymous

      OP seems to understand that mkv and mp4 are simply containers for video and audio, but those replying do not. Aside from a few quirks between the two formats you can honestly put almost whatever you want inside. Claiming that filesize differs between them is laughable. As for mp4 vs mkv I believe they probably did this as a means of differentiating sd release from hd releases without having to read the tags.

      • Peetarzv

        Not sure how you read that into their responses. In any of the responses to OP there is no evidence that any of the repliers thought mkv/mp4 to be something other than a container.

        • Anonymous

          Either I replied in the wrong comment tree or a couple of very retarded sounding posts just disappeared between the time I replied and when you did. :p

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000617943487 Máté Bikfalvi

        Actually MP4 in this case is the better choice because it is supported nowadays by literally everything while mkv is not. i.e. consoles and some older blu ray players, so MP4s reach is a bit bigger at the moment. But if you ask me you won’t be able to find something that won’t play mkv in the upcoming years

        I also agree with everything you said.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Veer-Maharaj/100001382988550 Veer Maharaj

          Mp4′s reach is a LOT bigger. All mainstream devices support x264 in mp4, only those random tv boxes like the WDTV support mkv, and only the 8bit encoded ones, not the 10bit ones :S

          MP4 capable devices have a standardized base minimums that provides decent quality all round while still achieving great compatibility.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah the Xbox 360 and PS3 alone make up a huge user base of MP4 users. Personally I’m unwrapping all my MKV files currently to migrate to the new Apple TV. I just hope the JB people can get it rooted in a timely fashion.

      • Ccccc

        Filesize *does* differ, as containers have different overhead. mp4 and mkv are quite similar in this regard though, the difference is very small.

        Interesting point you bring up regarding easy differentiation of SD and HD. My thought was that it’s more about compatibility, particularly with consoles (Xbox360, PS3)

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Veer-Maharaj/100001382988550 Veer Maharaj

          It is the comparability, not differentiation, they can just put HD and SD in the names to do that.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Agreed about the difference being extremely small. I personally download things in MP4 raw and MKV subbed… the subs cannot make that much different and usually, the MKV is within 40 MB’s of the MP4, bigger or smaller.

        • confused

          I must be one of the confused ignorant masses. I have just tried to play one of these new mp4s via my XBox360 (after running a firmware update) and it doesn’t work. Can anyone tell me why?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Migue-Garcia/640246416 Migue Garcia

        sd mkv releases.x26whatever. 720 mark in dir flags this hd trip, 640×320 was a bitch to run us navy fighter with terrain on.dual 3dfx ne1 one. who cares.

    • Private

      Gosh, these people think that size depends on container, how could they have any opinion on xvid/x264 comparison. Seriously.

      • Anon

        You have obviously never worked with raw m2ts streams from BluRays. The difference between an m2ts and mkv of the exact same video and audio reach into hundreds of megabytes thanks to the overhead of m2ts.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Migue-Garcia/640246416 Migue Garcia

          still spinning optical ware? wow retro cool! next bank robbery will go all ssd if not fails 70 gb does it hd a rarely failing on me, and i am a sudaca!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Migue-Garcia/640246416 Migue Garcia

        how about some1 w a bit rate chart a wiki link and some samples? or keep on w this yap. y us xbmc and is better than zxbv

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Veer-Maharaj/100001382988550 Veer Maharaj

      I would prefer to use an open and flexible standard like mkv as well, however rare few devices support it natively. But to just download a file and toss it on a device, mp4+x264 is the only logical choice because it is the one format, practically all mobile devices play these days.

      Windows Phone, iOS, Android, even regular old Windows 7 can play it back natively without needing you to reconvert it, or have some extra app or codec installed.

      A lot of android tablets, one of which i own, comes with native support for mp4+x264 along with hardware acceleration and none of that functionality for xvid or recognition of mkv without 3rd party apps.

      As the article says, its supply and demand. I do ripping and encoding of DVDs for people, and i find myself doing everything in x264, because i can get files much smaller and with much better quality and it works universally on almost all devices if you use the correct encoding profile with an optimized preset.

    • leog

      Seriously, mp4 and avi are such garbage containers. I cannot believe they didn’t choose mkv.

      • Derpface

        So, can you name me any advantage of MKV over MP4?
        Waitin’

        Right, none.

        • golden

          Can hold more subtitle types?

        • Tubadude

          Easier to attach font files for subtitles. Essentially mkv’s are much easier when you want multiple audio and subtitles available. If you don’t need these you don’t need the more advanced but less compatible mkv container.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      Several torrent sites have stopped listing XviD. The XviDs are still out there, being provided by various groups. That means that these sites could easily list them, but refuse to do so. That’s what people are complaining about.

      Myself, I’m mainly complaining about the stupidity in the argumentation against providing XviD. It’s mystifying. I also find it ridiculous to claim that one is superior to the other, as if compression rate was the supreme measure of excellence. It’s true that XviD needs a huge file to provide the same quality, but it needs less CPU cycles. There’s a difference, but no superiority. The reason why x264 is newer, is that there hasn’t been platforms to run it on. Neither compression rate or newness is a measure of superiority.

      The fact is, if you can’t play it, x264 sucks. If you can play it, it’s an improvement, not because it’s better quality picture in itself, but because it’s being released in better quality. I guess the files would be ridiculously small, otherwise…

      I’m actually happy with the new scene standard. It’s led to a predictability in quality that wasn’t there before. In fact, the HW strain vs quality ratio is much better than I suspected it would be (though still worse than XviD). Needless to say, I’m happily able to view x264, and so not complaining for myself.

      As for Matroska vs. MP4… Come on! That’s truly complaining about nothing! I see the principle, and recognize that mkv provides some marginally useful extra features, but it’s been trumped by very sensible practical considerations.

      • Nonsense

        You don’t get it. First of all, x264 has vast support in players and mobile phones through dedicated IP cores for x264 decoding and theres the excellent FOSS x264 project. Also, file size has nothing to do with this. File size is what you specify at the beginning; you’re essentially giving the encoder a budget of say 170MiB. Since x264 is a better codec than XVID, you will end up with better quality for the same size of 170MiB when choosing x264 over XVID.

        The only problem with x264 is that its riddled with patents, but we are pirate, so who cares.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Oh, I get it. I’ve encoded video a few times. You don’t get it. First of all, you don’t have to set size limits, it’s entirely possible to only specify quality settings. In fact, size limits are hard to manage, and simpler encoders lack functionality for it. Even when you do have a specific target size, you can determine that size completely freely.

          If you care more about CPU strain than disk use, a bigger, less compressed file is preferable. And, there’s no “better” or “worse”; there’s only more or less preferable”, and what’s preferable depends entirely on the context of the use.

          The fact that smaller devices need hard coded players to manage x264 just underlines my point: It’s a CPU intensive codec. That’s a negative side effect of the high compression rate. To put it your way: That means that you end up with poorer quality for the same processing power.

          x264 is an open source codec, playing on open source players, and thus not the least little bit “riddled with patents”. You’re thinking of H.264, which is the corresponding patented codec.

        • 12313ff

          Actually he does get it: I prefer downloading Xvid because they play pretty well on the Wii (WiiMC). The low CPU power makes x264 completely unplayable.

        • guest

          MP4 plays just fine on the wii, I’ve done it many times, and these scene mp4s aren’t too heavy for the wii. Try it for yourself and find it out.

      • betazed

        VLC is free and runs on any OS, plays x264 and is coming to any Android device in the near future. MKV or MP4 then doesn’t matter. There isn’t any reason why anyone can’t play these files. They just have to be smart enough to get the right tool for the job. I don’t hammer nails with a wrench, I don’t watch videos with an iPod or Windows Media Player.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Good for you, not hammering nails with a wrench! I also bet that you buy a new set of tools every year, out of fear that your old hammer won’t be able to hammer newer nails?

        • Strioes

          Assuming I want to watch everything on a PC. But, the cheapest and easiest ways to watch things on my TV is either through game consoles (which only support MP4 without transcoding) or things like the Roku (my personal favorite). I was already converting everything to MP4 anyway and now this saves me the hassle.

    • Nick RETTIG

      The reason they chose this route is the x264.mp4 file can have a higher quality bitrate but still be compressed to avi or similar size.

      The reason .mkv was not used is because MOST if not all portable media players as well as entertainment consoles support the x264.mp4 file structure by default. And while .mkv is amazing, it really only is benefitial for HD files because it allows for a better compression than .mp4

      I for one AM GLAD AS HELL they have chosen to follow this path as now you really only need to download said movie or TV show, copy to a compatible flash drive and then plug into either your TV should it have media capabilities, your XBOX 360, your PS3, or on and on.

      Furthermore the x264.mp4 file is the supported on most portable devices so it saves you the conversion process to be put on those devices.

      XviD and DivX have long been on the way out for their lack of high quality compression. Besides why waste countless DVD-Rs to burn movies and TV shows to so you can watch em on your ~8 year old dvd player when your could instead pop em on a flashdrive and consume your awesome viewings by just plugging it into your game console.

      • Smallaxe0217

        thing is that my TV uses a flash drive, but as far as I know, only AVI files can be watched on it. I don’t want to go back to watching TV on my PC just because they don’t release AVI files anymore

        • No

          @Smallaxel0217 samsung tv? there is a hidden menu to enable mkv/mp4 support

          or just convert the files yourself

      • No

        @Nick RETTIG everything was fine until you said mkv is different from mp4 in compression

        massive blunder there, they are 2 containers that hold the same data: x264 video+some audio

        the x264 rules for hdtv or movies was made a long time ago so i expect them to eventually turn into mp4 for devices’ sake, since there is not much usage of subtitles to need mkv

    • reality stat check

      For every fancy dvd-player sold, there are hundreds, if not thousands budget dvd-players sold, which only support XVID/AVI. This is going to be a major pain in the ass. :-(

      • anony

        lemme get this straight… you are actually still burning these files to DVDs? wow, just wow… not sure what to say here. do yourself a favor and get a cheap mediapc or something. i honestly didnt think that actual living breathing bags of flesh still did this.

        • LOL

          He will never adapt. “Caveman forever” is his motto.

        • That One Guy

          I toss movies on a USB drive and plug it into my DVD player. My DVD player plays .mp4 files, but not .mkv files. So it’s using a container that it’s compatible with but the files themselves are not. Your response of “get yourself a cheap media pc” is as bad as saying “just use VLC player”. Why would I WANT or NEED to get something else when I already have something that works? You sound like a little child that wants the newest, shiniest thing. I have a PC, I have a DVD player. Xvid works on both. Also, why would I want to watch a movie on a mobile device? Really? A 4″ screen is WAY better that a 60″…lol.

        • Anachronist

          Actually, I also convert these files to .avi and burn them to DVDs. The reason I do that is so that I can watch them on a big 80″ flat panel display at my friend’s house rather than watch them on my PC monitor. He has 3 fairly new DVD players that can play video files burned on a DVD. Even the Blu-Ray one doesn’t play .mp4 files, only .avi format.

          You do what’s necessary. Don’t dis people because they do what they gotta do.

    • Whocares

      its about time! now you have content that is compatible with all the different streaming devices… not to mention whens the last time you tried to watch an AVI on your apple ${iDevice} without having to transcode it first…

      • Southpatt

        All the time. AVPlayer handles all formats beautifully thankyou

    • Anonymous
    • http://twitter.com/SisterSebaceous Timmy

      The fact that the new standard is better is not the only factor to consider here. A lot of people who use torrents may not have the money to afford to replace their equipment, or cannot find a good player in their area that plays the new standard.
      For the next few months, I would humbly ask release groups to phase in the new standard gradually, to give the less affluent among us time to research and save up for a new player.

      Perhaps also, Torrentfreak would consider publishing a Consumer Reports-like article, looking at various players, from the perspective of what is best at playing the new file standard and the other most commonly-used file formats in the torrent world.

    • Tsunku

      bleh on h264, i hate how it hides the blockiness via post processing, it doesn’t do a better job at encoding just a better job at hiding its failures. reminds me of divx and the auto-blurring of any high motion scenes because their codec couldn’t handle high motion. btw divx still can’t handle it, while xvid only had that problem once and fixed it hehe

    • Mandelbrot

      MP4 is proprietary, while MKV is open-source. It’s not like a piracy group to proliferate in a proprietary formats, it’s why XVID was used instead of DIVX (and yes I know the difference between a codec and a container).

    • AVI Fan

      I do not have a computer at home :( so have to go to other peoples house to get my download, i load them on to my media drive so i can watch at home, but MP4s dont work on this I need the AVI files.  it proving to be very difficult to get file now and i am missing all my tv shows.  i tried to convert them using different free software, but it makes them jump :(

    • Rixter

      “What’s not to love?”

      Well, uh, how about that some of us use boxtop units that won’t play the other formats, just AVI?

      Hard to love that situation.

  • Jonathan

    I don’t understand how you can DEMAND anything when you get it all for FREE. If the release groups want to release in x264 format, you have got to accept it because they are the ones who give you the goodies and in return ask for nothing. Who are we to make demands?

    I for one welcome the change since sooner or later we gotta move forward and x264 is clearly the way forward. The format has been around for a long time now, has matured over the years and has clearly proved to be superior than xvid in every way.

    • http://profiles.google.com/stuart.anderson Stuart Anderson

      Consumers create demand – that has nothing to do with money, or any kind of ethical overlays.

      So many of the arguments here are framed in the context of an economy of scarcity – which P2P isn’t.

      • Guest

        There is a difference between consumer and customer. If they were doing it to please you then perhaps you could make a request. You aren’t providing money, revenue, or even fame for these people. Since you give them nothing you have no grounds on which to make any demands.

        • Guest

          double post, meant to reply to Jonathan not Stuart Anderson, my bad.

    • Eni

      The point is though… They don’t have to accept, if they really dislike the format they download in, they can simply convert it. It may be a bit of a pain in the backside, but I’m sure everyone here done it at some point in their .torrenting lives.
      Basically, what I’m saying is… If you disagree with their change from Xvid/Avi, or in their use of .mp4 over .mkv (another issue that I have seen from discussions on here and other places) then simply convert the files when you’ve downloaded them, thus removing the entire problem.

      I agree, I’m quite happy to see this news (it is an advancement in my eyes). Just as the advancement in film releases is the move to BluRay rips as opposed to DVD rips. People just don’t like change.

      • http://joshesforchange.wordpress.com/ Josh C

        Or they could just not download the releases. I’m pretty sure the Scene/P2P groups would not care xD

      • Matt

        This isn’t as simple as it sounds, because if you download an mp4 file and convert it to avi, you lose quality. The resulting file, even if it is the same size, will be of lower quality than a file that is converted direct from the DVD to avi.

        Telling people to convert files after they are already converted is not the answer.

    • Cachepoints

      I’m the guy who views the ads that they put on their sites, which make them money on a per view basis, which i will no longer be viewing. Therefore, I am a revenue generating customer.

      As such, I want XviD AVIs. If I don’t get them, I will take my revenue generating eyes elsewhere. Also, I will take my high bandwidth and positive sharing ratio with me, thus impacting the speed of the files they share, further reducing their reputation and reducing the number of other revenue generating eyes.

      Sounds to me like the eyes have it.

      • Anon

        They don’t give a shit about your “revenue generating eyes”. So fuck off already.

        • Me

          “Also, I will take my high bandwidth and positive sharing ratio with me, thus impacting the speed of the files they share, further reducing their reputation and reducing the number of other revenue generating eyes.’

          Do you have any Grey Poupon?

          He’ s probably a HUGE leecher!

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          It’s self evident that they “give a shit”. The ads aren’t there because of their esthetic contribution to the sites, but to generate revenue. If they didn’t give a shit, then the ads wouldn’t be there.

          I don’t suspect that the income goes much further than to cover expenses, but I’m sure they like those expenses to be covered.

      • Anomaly

        Er, like it was said earlier, the release groups aren’t running the torrent sites, they don’t care about your revenue generating eyes. It won’t change which format the release groups release their content in.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Actually, many release groups have their own web sites. There are also more general Scene sites, which they care about. In addition, there’s the matter of status, of being good at what you do. Everybody, regardless of what they do, is partly motivated by that. Having your files downloaded is certainly an aspect of this.

      • Akzivnux

        “I Want” ??

        Really? They’re not obligated to give you anything you damn leeching bitch.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          I want World Peace. Nobody’s obligated to give me that. However, I’m perfectly free to want it, and there’s no reason why anyone should take offense if I express my wish.

      • Blah

        You just don’t get it, do you? Nobody gives a damn about you and your opinion. The scene couldn’t care less if you poked your revenue generating eyes out with a pointy stick.

        Be grateful people are prepared to provide all this content for you and stop being a whiny bitch.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Jeez… I can’t get my head around the fact that the XviD proponents are the ones accused of being rude…

        • Blah

          @Erik Q.J. you characterise me as a proponent of x264, but not once have I voiced a preference here for either. What I am a proponent for is people getting a clue about how the scene works and how they are able to get hold of their precious TV or movie downloads.

          This isn’t some sort of shop or service where anyone has actually paid for anything, so they have zero rights to complain about something that is free. There is no God-given right of anyone to freely receive any video download in any format.

          While I can appreciate that some people prefer their downloads to be in Xvid over x264 because they may have hardware that only works with Xvid, they cannot expect to be forever spoonfed. There is nothing stopping them from converting x264 to Xvid, they just have to do a bit of work themselves rather than expect it all to be done for them and handed on a plate.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          All of that is an argument against his right to express his opinion, in what way?

          Whoever sells ad space will be affected by a loss of viewers. It’s his privilege to stop viewing those ads. What the sites will do with it, is their business. Torrent indexes and sites will have the option of posting the XviD releases; they are still being made by several release groups. The release groups themselves are harder to affect, but that doesn’t affect his freedom to not view ads on torrent sites.

          You may wish to argue the finer points of the difference between being viciously rude and aggressive against the XviD proponents and being an x264 proponent. There are two sides in this debate, and you’re attacking one of them, to the point of denying their right of expression. That’s enough for me.

          Though, a good point could be made that “asshole” would describe you better than “x264 proponent” or “XviD antagonist” ever could.

      • Invented Mail

        hahaha since when “viewing ads” counts as paying money? So if you want to boycott bmw, you just take the roads where their ads are not shown or cover your eyes as you pass by them?

        idiotic comment at the most…

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Since the publishers of the ads started getting payed per view, perhaps?

          And, you’re getting it the wrong way around. BMW will save expenses, though gain fewer customers, when nobody watches their ads. The ad company, however, will lose income as a direct consequence. Their services will be less valuable, and BMW will pay them less. In this analogy, the torrent sites aren’t BMW, they’re the ones selling roadside ad space. To them, each passing car increases the value of their product, and thus the basis of their income. On the web, the connection is even more direct, since each and every viewing and click is counted and payed for.

      • guest

        The scene has nothing to do with ads or revenue, and the sites showing ads and generating revenue aren’t the ones creating these files…

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      x264 is preferable in most ways, on most newer hardware. To the extent that “preferable” equals “superior”, it’s superior to those who have the right hardware and standard priorities regarding resource consumption. Yes, we have to move forward, sooner or later, but there’s nothing wrong with wide compatibility, as long as there are people who need or want it.

      My experience from this debate is that virtually every proponent of x264 has proven to be a rude asshole, accusing those who want XviD available of stupidity, fear of change, miserliness, and, ironically, of being rude. Unlike the proponents of x264, the proponents of XviD doesn’t have any wish to deny anyone the codec of their choice. Hardly any of them are demanding anything, they’re asking.

      As for supply and demand, that’s an entirely different type of demanding. It simply refers to the presence of a need or wish in the target population. As such, there’s a great demand for XviD.

      • Blah

        What an ignorant ass. The scene release stuff for their own amusement. They set their own rules and different groups compete against each other. They do not release this stuff to satisfy a need. If they choose to release stuff in x264, then that is their choice. They simply do not care what the end user wants.

        You can debate all you like about the relative merits of one format or another but ultimately it falls on deaf ears. If you want stuff released in a specific format, then go ahead and release it yourself. Nobody is stopping you. However, as is usually the case, people like you that have so much to say about the situation only ever talk. There is no action. You’re all mouth and no trousers.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          What, exactly, are they competing in, if not the quality (and speed) of their releases? What part of their competition should the fans of this “sport” discuss, if not that quality? It’s true that the players will play however they choose, regardless of what the fans may think. That’s never stopped a sports fan yet, though, and it seems it doesn’t stop pirates, either. You can debate all you like whether it’s stupid to discuss an activity you don’t take part in, but nobody’s going to care much about your silly little meta-debate.

          The Scene may not care about the end user, but they care about the same things as the end user (quality and speed). That makes it a distinction without a difference. To the extent that end user satisfaction can be construed as an indication of quality and speed, they’ll care about it the way they’ll care about any meter. Whether they consider it an indication or not is obviously up to them. They’d be hard pressed to not notice, though.

          You’re also missing a major point of this debate: XviD releases are still made. Some torrent indexes chose to not list them. That has nothing to do with the Scene, and everything to do with the indexes and their users.

          In wrapping up: What the Hell do you know about what I do or don’t do? What reason have you given anyone to think that you’re not “all moth and no trousers” yourself?

  • http://twitter.com/frakwit jellydonut

    This is hilarious. People are so immensely ignorant.

    Personally I couldn’t care less about SD releases, but this is a step forward for that format, I suppose. The only problem is the target market for these kinds of releases, as evident in this article.

    • Ezrider

      I’l take an SD over HD release for most TV shows everytime purely due to filesize. Doesn’t mean I’m a moron.

      I’d love to see 175/350mb x264 720p releases though to replace the XviD SD.

      • Chronoss2008

        i cant view 720 P …no sale

        • Ezrider

          No reason there couldn’t be 360/480p/etc too if that’s your thing, it’s just that for the average 40 minute TV show 720p x264 @ 350mb should provide for a very nice quality vs filesize, a huge step up from what XviD can achieve.

      • Anyone

        with x264 720p rips of a “full hour” show (meaning about 45 minutes) can’t be compressed down to 350MB.
        maybe in future there is a codec for that, but for now 720p remains quite big.

        • ac

          Oddly enough, they got last weeks NCIS down to 256MB(!) and it looks really really decent!

        • Anyone

          but that is not 720p

        • Ezrider

          I tend to disagree. Have you ever watched any of those 700mb 2hour+ 720p x264 BD (wow that’s a mouthful) rips knocking about? The quality is often excellent for the filesize/resolution. I don’t see why it wouldn’t be possible to do the same with an HDTV source though I have zero experience in that field. Maybe the source is a bit grainy and harder to encode at lower bitrates or something, I don’t know.

          Whatever the reality, it’d sure be nice to have those 175/350/700 XviD rips replaced with higher-res x264 of the same filesize, even if 720p is pushing it a bit too far. I know nothing about what’s good/bad/right/wrong in the world of encoding though so I’ll leave in the good hands of others to figure what’s best. :)

        • ABC

          I can easily compress a 40 minute 720p episode down to 350mb using x264 and you won’t see any artifacts even on a 24″ LCD screen which is a standard size computer monitor.

    • bow down to ME jellydonut

      Arrogant , everything is better on HD type
      Everone else is an “ignorant” because they prefer SD for whatever reason ( $ )

      I will topple YOU off your high horse

      ONLY an ignorant wathes in HD.
      I watch in HD3D you pauper of a person.
      I am much more evoled than you especially in brain capacity.
      HD is for poor stupids with smelly private parts and ugly facial features.

      I am better than you in every way. You are inferior to me.

      You’re Welcome

      • Bill DeBurgh

        Look at you mister uppity-small-fry.

        The little man with deluded ideas above his station.

        A desperate poor fool too blinded by his own blinkered existence to look up at the shitting arse of those above him.

        You’d sicken me, if I wasn’t so much better than you.

        I only watch UHD/8K films… in 4D.

        Beat that worm… oh.. sorry you can’t.

        You’re all welcome.

        Now get back to your pitiful lives of pointless drudgery.

        • Lolsmileyface1337

          8K?!??1??? Where are you from??? The stone age?

          Here in Japan we watch 41k in 5D

        • Dsafoijas

          that was sarcasm you *****

      • peasants please

        5D …… PHIFFT ….what an outdated format….. grandpa smelly piss’y pants.

        I only watch movies in 6-D 500 speaker surround sound with THX+++++
        You old-timers with outdated formats… sure make me a superior being.

        You’re Welcome

        • Rabid

          Watch? You watch shit? What a bunch of neanderthal philistines. I just jack in straight to the data source with a cerebral patch cable.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Migue-Garcia/640246416 Migue Garcia

          3d and sorround , seems u like damage on your material or have some contacs perfectly designed also to enjoy sorround w others yuour choice is a siamese twin , unless diference in perception is a plus.flac 24 88 stereo, sound good and checks out 1920 x 4 at top hd rates is common hack here in sudanerija

      • That One Guy

        I will topple you. I already SEE in 3D.

        Neener Neener.

    • Anon

      The “target market” for these releases is not torrent sites; nor the general internet public. These releases are meant for topsites, the fact that these releases get leaked into the wild are something most release groups would avoid if they could.

  • Mike

    It’s the same as how people threw a fit when most anime groups went to 10bit. People will complain about anything.

    • McG

      to be fair when anime groups went to hi10p there was very little support or 10 bit encoding on players. Since then supports is quite available but at the time of release it was only to be found in CCCP.

    • mindbomb

      it’s nothing like that at all.

      h264 8 bit is almost synonymous with digital video at this point.

      both 10 bit and xvid are niche formats that should be done away with.

  • http://wesleydesouza.com.br/ Wesley de Souza

    Evolution, period.

    8mm, VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, we couldn’t live our entire lives with uncompressed AVIs, right?

    • Penman

      “Adapt or die”. Haven’t we heard this before? Time for the complaining pirates to imbibe the same.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NS5PLUJ2PVRME66VUECIGCZYGU Rick

      There will always be ignorant idiots that can make a lot of noise about things they don’t understand. Pity they don’t seem to evolve away.

      • Anonymous

        “There will always be ignorant idiots that can make a lot of noise about things they don’t understand”

        Like you just did

    • Glad

      Why mp4?
      Stupid applefags?
      I understand evolution but this should’ve happened gradually. Not this surprise buttsex.
      In the end only applefags win.

      • Glad

        Oh… and:
        > – Releases must be packed in RAR file format
        I want the author of that document to die. Painfully.

        • Anyone

          of course it has to be in .rar for scene, nothing unusual about that.
          for torrents it will be unrared before release usually, since bittorrent splits the file up internally, so there is no need for rar anymore.

        • Smartass

          http://www.v12pwr.com/RARFileSource/

          Now shut up and watch the damn movies without unpacking the archives first.

        • Glad but with brain

          Rar is used for a very good reason.

          You don’t understand it….?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Migue-Garcia/640246416 Migue Garcia

          gimme my skriptz 0day in zips w rar inside or I will cry

      • http://wesleydesouza.com.br/ Wesley de Souza

        You just proved our point.

        Seriously, only Apple uses MP4? No Android devices? No TVs? Internet Explorer? Google Chrome (at least for now)?

        Gosh, even Windows Media Player for default, without extra codecs, plays MP4s.

        • Glad

          Most consumer electronics by default play xvid+mp3 in avi. It’s not that mp4 is bad. This kind of switch is just too sudden and will create to much headache for consumers and middleman encoders like dubbers.

        • Anyone

          .mp4 is basically quicktime, so yes, it is apple.
          that other devices support it doesn’t change that fact.

        • Anon

          @Glad, What sudden change are you talking about? x264 codec has been in use for over 10 years now in the file sharing scene. For the last 5 years, mkv or mp4 format releases have been routine for most Movies and TV Shows. Infact I haven’t download anything Xvid/DivX in years.

          The switch to H264 is not sudden at all. Is 10 years not enough time for you to adapt and get used to this new format? Did you think XviD was going to be around forever even when there’s a far better codec around? Its about time they made the switch.

      • Anno

        it is in mp4 because it is most popular (i.e.. most used format of x264 )

      • The Winnerer

        This has nothing to do with apple. The MP4 container has more hardware support. Using MKV is pointless for SD releases without multiple subtitles or AC3 audio etc. They both typically contain the same h264/x264 video codec so what is the problem?

        • Tito

          The problem is that we should be pushing the adoption of a more advanced format (MKV).
          If they’re already using it for HD, I don’t see why it would be so bad to use it for SD as well.
          Also new-ish TVs play MKV, pretty much all dedicated media players (outside of Apple TV) play it, Android phones play it.. it’s not that obscure.
          If we keep using MP4 then the others will have no reason to adopt MKV.

      • Death To iDiots

        THAT!

        Every iDiot should suffer a slow, lingering, painful death. Daily.

  • http://wesleydesouza.com.br/ Wesley de Souza

    And I’m a member of a private tracker where people are going nuts over this, most are even blaming the PT and leaving it.

    Oh, the humanity.

    • Universal Soldier

      Well people who are not ready for a change are welcome to leave. I guess such ignorant lamers don’t seed anyways, just leech.

  • Anon

    What a good read ;)

    • Anon

      Also, my parents (okay, they probably are younger than this guy’s grandmother) can deal with avis properly. They’ll also figure out how mp4 work on their dvd player.

      Teach ‘em google and they won’t need you anymore ;P

  • Blackbeard

    I couldn’t give a shit what format they’re in. As long as they play on VLC (which they do), I’m as sound as a pound.

    • Billyb

      I am with you on this. Just link plug computer into TV and watch through VLC.
      You can still download over wireless at same time.

  • Bozobalbo

    One of the main reasons why xvid became stadardised on DVD players was because piracy was driving the uptake

    • FamilyGuyFan

      And now that most (if not all) bluray players support the mp4 and mkv containers, all you cheap bastards complaining about DVD players can just scrape a little more money from your Mum’s purse.

  • Anonymous

    FQM and 2HD are holding out, pretty much everyone else has moved on from XviD at this point.

    • TG-3323

      FQM And 2HD are smart and don’t use ipads lol. The only problem is they do not cover all the shows i watch which is a pain. There are few other less known people doing xvid releases too I just hope they keep it up.

  • Sam

    If you don’t have something that can play H264 and MP4, then I’m afraid you need to get with the times.

    Higher compression rates, superior quality. That’s a good thing, right?

    • Universal Soldier

      Well people who are crying are the ones who want everything for free, including a DVD player or a TV with USB that supports .MP4. Now they want the release groups to buy them new DVD players so that they can plan the files.

    • TG-3323

      Unless you are playing them on a 50″ HD lcd you wouldn’t even notice the supposed difference in quality lol.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Migue-Garcia/640246416 Migue Garcia

        no way , no no no dude, u notice, 4 real

  • Jon

    Change is hard and brain matter is scarce.

    • Bfdrf

      No , Money is scarce to buy non existant mp4 players. Avi players are like £20, not everyone watches tv on computers you know.

      • Anyone

        there is enough freeware converters

        • Anonymous

          If they had computers powerful enough to convert video ina reasonable amount of time, they’d be watching it on those computers

        • Death To iDiots

          Yeah, and most people want to sit there and convert every little fucking thing until the end of time… No thanks. I have better ways to waste my useless time.

        • Earwig

          If your converting from one codec to another (Xvid/x264), yeah it’s gonna be slow. But if you’re just converting from one container to another (AVI/MP4/MKV) the process should be relatively quick and easy.

      • LMG

        yeah, they just hook their computer up to their 40 inch TV and watch it that way.

      • fu

        You know you could probably get a cable to connect your computer to you TV for less than £20…

      • Smrfs

        My computer is hooked up to a 24″ monitor in one room and a 52″ HDTV in another. SD XViD is fine for one, but not the other unless you like a soft picture and compression artifacts. People are forgetting about the sound factor too. Most XViD releases are stereo, aren’t they? The 720p x264 releases are almost always in 5.1 surround. So… ummm… are we also going to argue stereo is better now?

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Not better, but plenty good enough, if you don’t have surround. If surround didn’t play on stereo, then stereo would be better, if you didn’t have surround. That’s the thing: What’s better depends entirely on the context.

      • Universal Soldier

        Guess you should go and buy a TV that has a USB port which supports all popular formats. You are anyways downloading the movies and TV shows for free, guess you can atleast spend some money on hardware instead of cursing the release groups who doing charity work by providing you free stuff.

  • http://www.eztv.it/ SantaBJ

    There is plenty of dissent both within the scene and certainly in the bittorrent groups – although us members of the latter can’t do much about it. Personally I’m something of an agnostic on the matter, although I’m leaning toward dissent myself since I still see the compatibility issue as a significant one.

    Still, people should put the “blame” where it belongs – on the scene groups, not on us (EZTV) :p

    • Anyone

      but eztv is much easier reached than “the scene” ;)

    • Mike Jones

      The “blame” doesn’t belong anywhere. If you don’t like how they encode their releases then you don’t download them. Release your own stuff and make sure to put it up on the torrent sites so others like you can download it.

      • http://www.eztv.it/ SantaBJ

        …hence the quotation marks. People will always complain, but as they said in the article – blaming EZTV is like blaming Google for not listing the pictures you were looking for when using Google image search.

        - SantaBJ
        #EZTV Admin

        • How can YOU call ignorant ?

          What if i complain about the LACK of shows that eztv indexes ?
          ( 10% approx of actual scene ENG releases )
          Does that make me ignorant ?
          What if you ignore it ?

          Please hear me be blunt and straight to the point.
          jump out of the positive feedback loop already
          you been there too long

        • Anyone

          if YOU want those shows, YOU release them

        • http://www.eztv.it/ SantaBJ

          Hooray @ Discus’ brilliant commenting system where I reply to my replies by replying to myself… <.<

          "How can YOU call ignorant ?":
          By all means, feel free to do them yourself. EZTV offers a service free of charge, at a complete loss financially, and is staffed exclusively by volunteers who get nothing from it but the satisfaction of providing said service. It is A LOT of work that takes A LOT of time. And what do we get for it? People like you who feel entitled to fucking complain about something you get for fucking free. You fuck.

        • How can YOU call ignorant ?

          “People like you who feel entitled to fucking complain about something you get for fucking free. You fuck.”

          You do NOT have the right not to be offended.
          (better to address it than take offense)
          BUT BRICK WALL ALL COMPLAINTS.
          Stay in the positive feedback loop
          where ONLY positive comments are allowed (hence reinforcing ,even wrongs)
          or just call me “”you Fuck”"
          And state that I am ignorant to the hard work that goes into the site in running costs and labor. ( which I am not btw .. that is YOUR reason for my complaint )

          repeat:
          The reason for my complaint is NOT ignorance to facts , as YOU say
          It is a valid complaint on what is essentially a self imposed filter.
          IF YOU WANTED help to index more , you would have asked , YOU DID NOT.
          honestly did you ?
          IF YOU NEED HELP ….. ASK and we will do it (starting to question that)

          Guess you will ignore this and just call me “”you Fuck”"
          Stay in the positive feedback loop.
          And if anyone offers you a free script on irc that will down to SB / unrar ..
          ignore that too you ignorant fuck

        • How can YOU call ignorant ?

          @Anyone “”if YOU want those shows, YOU release them”"

          moron is moron , s/a-Usenet-private torrent capping(for non-scene tv ) here.
          no fucking need to “”release”" (lol “release”) , you mean run a script on box to run caps here and there.

          And even as I PERSONALLY have no need , I do cap tv that others don’t have access to and is rare to run.

          My point is that eztv could be better , IF THEY WANT IT

        • Mwhahaha

          SantaBJ, I’ve used EZTV a lot for a while now and a small note on Site News regards to this would have been handy, to avoid confusion.

          Love the site btw, keep it going. :)

        • my last word( i am fuck )

          btw. users complaining to eztv over scene release formats are morons
          their complaints are completely misdirected and useless.

          Never going to stop morons from complaining about stuff they cannot control.
          including me(for valid complaint) and you(for complaining about complaint)

          but also :
          something about morons and stuff they CAN control
          ( you can fill in the blanks for BOTH our moronic behaviors)

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Thing is, if those pictures were out there, and Google decided not to list them, then I would indeed blame Google, and rightly so.

          If the pictures simply weren’t on the Internet, it would be a different thing. Then I’d blame the mofos who don’t publish (real) full frontal nudes of Jessica Alba. Which I do, btw…

        • MadocComadrin

          @How can YOU call ignorant?

          How can someone not have the right to be offended? Do you want to provide the legal precedence for that while you argue in vain?

        • ?????

          @MadocComadrin

          you b trippin. What you said is not what was said.

          You do NOT have the right not to be offended.

          think about it.
          How can anyone have the right of not being offended by something ?
          if not…. then i am offended by your comment…. surely you impeded my rights , you should be punished for violating my rights to not be offended.

          no one has the right not to be offended.

      • Bag0

        Im with Mike Jones I always loved the Scene and have a lot of respect for those risking everything to get shows uploaded to top sites minutes after air time . Lets not forget it is work too most of them have fun doing it but it is work and many of them invest there own money in hardware and Afill sites So i say F**** these p2p lamers who do nothing EZTV blah Pussy 2 Pussy traders

    • Anonymous

      I was upset at the change cause LOL screwed up the audio, it was out of sync by almost 4 seconds. How many standalone devices let you resync audio?

      • TG-3323

        They always screw up the audi so do TASTETV I never bother downloading them now. The worst, stupidest and funniest thing is a lot of groups got pushed into making the change so some fags could watch on their ipads. Fucking morons.

        • Anonymous

          As a lesbian I disagree with your use of the word fag, but I agree with the rest. Screw ipads if the rest of us cant watch them

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      I’ve been in love with EZTV for years now, and it’ll take more than this to ruin the romance! However, you could index the XviDs for as long as they’re still out there. Not to do so is a choice, and I can see how some will be disappointed. I would be, if I didn’t have the right HW.

      Thanks for the good work you do, even absent XviD!

  • http://www.empneusmeno.com Nick Malekos

    I agree with jellydonut, its really hilarius. Some people are so ignorant. Don’t they realise that they are getting a pirated format and what that implies?
    Its not just get free stuff, its a whole ideology of sharing here and people are practically giving away hours of work and are constantly in danger of being arrested for this.

    Even if their dvd player does not read x264 then they can give like 10 minutes to reformat it … it just googling, downloading and letting a free software do the job …

    • Jockey

      Or they can buy a new DVD player? They are quite cheap and any DVD player to come out in the last 7 years should have H264 support anyway.

      • EletroNomad

        Maybe in America they all play MP4!!. All 3 of my “Cheap” dvd players are only 4 years old and none of them will play MP4. I’m not opposed to the change, I understand why it happened. A slower process would have been nice. All of this does not change the fact that none of my 4 lcd tv will play mp4′s nor will my 3 dvd players. Am I now expected to go out and replace all of these? Plugging a laptop into every tv everytime I want to watch a movie is a pain in the ass compared to just inserting a flash drive. Whay would you watch movies on your pc when you can what them on a 50inch tv??? Converting Mp4s is a pain in the ass. The quality turns out terrible and takes for ever. If anyone can suggest a DECENT mp4 coverter that is relatively fast. I’m all ears. And yes I’ve tried google already. I appreciate that these guys upload for free and that I get them for free. It’s just really inconvenient when it’s right in the middle of seasons for alot of shows and there was no warning, and yet there is still no information about this change on EZTV’s website. I had to goto a third party site to read up on it.. Plus why should they care if there release get nuked. It’s for THEIR entertainment anyway right. Are they so worried about being nuked that must conform to scene. Sounds just like a government!!!! Has anyone bothered to check the statistics on how many avi’s are downloaded compared to mp4′s for torrents and actually provide facts on how many users are still using avi’s. I understand it a progression, and yes we did go from vhs to dvd to bluray, but they didn’t just stop releasing vhs or dvd’s did they. It was a phase out.

        • themerryreaper

          When you don’t consider whether or not the hardware you buy is firmware upgradable for the future you are a plain stupid pirate.

          The scene doesn’t give a crap about us freetards anyways… They are only interested in the competition amongst each other and look down on us…

          You are as bad as the copyright industry man… stop living in the past and get with the times. xvid and mp3 have been substandard for a while now.

          Who watches sd stuff on a 50″ tv anyways… Are you blind?

        • Anon

          This was a gradual phase out too. You had 10+ years to switch to the new format i.e. H264. Its not like Xvid disappeared overnight. Xvid and x264 both co-existed for the last 10 years giving you enough time to adapt but you took that time for granted and now you start whining.

          We can’t dwell on old technology forever. You don’t see VHSRips or CDRips being released anymore do you? Very soon DVDRips will be a thing of the past too. When that day comes I am pretty sure some people will complain that their connections are too slow to download 720p rips. There will always be whiners even when there’s a change for the better.

          All I can say is get with the time. If you can’t, same thing will happen to you that is happening to the MAFIAA because they can’t adapt.

        • Anonymous

          What makes me laugh is the scene being described as a private sharing community that has nothing to do with the BT and file locker public sharing.

          This is like owning a factory in Columbia turning out Cocaine for use only by your local friends and other suppliers in the local community where supply outside that region is banned. Except that the community is turning out so much Cocaine that this is fuelling a global drugs trade.

          In other words that “private community” excuse won’t ever work when the Scene has always leaked like a sieve and they have never done major action to seal those holes tightly shut.

          Guilty by reality.

        • Lemon

          Plugging in a laptop to play files ? Just buy a standalone media player, nowadays they play everything, 1080p, mkv/mp4, subtitle support, they can be had for $50 or 50 euro easily.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Violated0 wrote: “In other words that “private community” excuse won’t ever work when the Scene has always leaked like a sieve and they have never done major action to seal those holes tightly shut.”

          I agree, and then some.

          A sieve is practically water tight, compared to the Scene. They leak worse than the end of a fire hose under maximum pressure. If fire hoses could leak like that, high rise fires would be no more problem than a camp fire.

          When a release hits the torrenting community within what must be less than a handful of minutes after final compilation, it’s obvious that it’s being deliberately pushed. It’s a part of their competition and justification, simple as that.

          As for you who have answered Violated0 with whining that he won’t do what you’re convinced that he should and could do: What the Hell is wrong with you? He just wishes that a format was available. No skin of your noses. And he’s not alone in his wish, proving that there has been no sufficient phase out process, and proving that his media consumption choices are completely normal. There’s neither reason nor grounds for arguing with this, much less for such hateful whining.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MANXKEIA4ZADHNNEN2MQBN4FTU King

          First of all please don’t whine like a little girl. Did you even read this article?They upload the shows for free!! Isn’t that good enough for you? Why do you take things for granted? if mp4 doesn’t work for you, then don’t bother downloading and buy it from amazon or itunes or wait for blueray..

        • anony

          so you buy a 50″ tv and a shitty dvd player. the obvious question to ask here is why are you even burning anything to dvd in the first place? is connecting a pc to a tv too hard for you or something?

          if you dont like it you can just run off to the store and pay money for them if the format offends you so much.

    • merethan

      “Reformatting” (you probably mean encoding*) x264 in 10 minutes? Blazin’ fast computer you got. Or you’ve got some specialized silicon to do it.

      (* Even more likely is that you mistake a container for a codec. Repackaging an audio and video stream from mp4 container to mkv container can be done in a couple of minutes. Encoding audio/video is a more computational intensive activity.)

      • Pony

        Actually no, I have a fairly standard pc with a overclocked 2500k and it takes less then 10 minutes for a movie, much much less for series.

  • Sigi

    I only download 720p, so I’m not really affected by this change, but anyways:

    This has been long overdue. x264 is so much better quality compared to XviD.

    What I don’t understand is why they suggest MP4 as the container. MKV is a superior format and it has been the standard for HD material now for several years.

    Probably it is to cater to the Apple and Sony crowd. Sigh.

    • Anonymous

      Everything from XBOXs to Bli-Ray players plays MP4s, there is very little advantage to MKV except for anime.

      • Mike Jones

        RichyM is right, all the modern hardware has .mp4 support now days. I didn’t realize anyone was still tied to xvid .avi like this.

        Of course non of it maters to me cause I also go for the 720p or up.

    • Mwhahaha

      o get you and your overtly anti popularistic tendencies.

      it’s a thing, it’s done. move on.

    • Steve_O

      You can get 720p in xvid format as well. x264 is not necessarily better than xvid as you can encode vhsrip material to x264 and it doesn’t make it any better. Scene vs p2p has been going for a while now and Scene is winning by dictating the format they use. Globally, xvid capable devices are 10 to 1 against mp4 and scene knows that so they force a format and all of you call it evolution. There is nothing evolutionary about it. I have been downloading all kind of TV series in xvid format only and I can tell you that I have watched about 10% of them. I, like many others, am in it for the sharing and Scene doesn’t like peeps like me. I am not going to bother sharing x264 releases – Scene won.

      • Forthewin

        “xvid capable devices are 10 to 1 against mp4 and scene knows that so they force a format and all of you call it evolution”

        The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity. – Abraham Lincoln

        You know very little about x264. FYI I like how you are using x264 as a reason to be a leech.

        http://www.compression.ru/video/codec_comparison/h264_2011/figures/results.png

      • Forthewin

        “x264 is not necessarily better than xvid as you can encode vhsrip material to x264 and it doesn’t make it any better.” (FACE PALM, your right x264 can not make VHS Rips better)

        Xvid can make a awesome Bluray rip if you don’t care about doubling the file size. The x264 switch is all about cutting bandwidth in half for the same quality and also helping to get rid of blocking in encoded videos.

        http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001390907/FacePalm_xlarge.jpeg

        • http://twitter.com/bigwallace David Wallace

          Agreed. XViD was a godsend when it was invented, but that time has come and gone. We are now in the world of HD content, hardware accelerated media set top boxes, and internet connected TVs. XViD will always hold a place in my heart, but as soon as I find a good batch converter all my XViDs are being converted to x264. And VHSRip in x264 is better! Everything in x264 is better. It’s a codec that does the same with more, just as AAC is better than MP3 as it can accomplish the same quality at half the bandwidth.

  • Anonymous

    Should indeed be quite interesting to see how that all works out in the end.
    Gone-Anon.at.tc

    • Anon

      fuck off?

  • Jeff Bekcer

    It’s about DAMN time.

  • Huge G. Rection

    They use eztv and demand stuffs?

    O lawd

  • Anonymous

    Just more proof that people will complain about anything… I don’t know if I’m missing codec’s or what but I find myself converting almost everything I download so it’ll play on my PS3. Not a big deal!!

  • Dsafs

    Anime groups are lightyears ahead of these scene groups. 10bit vs 8bit is the discussion right now..

    • Anonymous

      Actually for live action 10bit probably won’t be quite as useful as it is with animation. While it will increase the overall colour depth and possibly remove some banding, the filesizes probably won’t be notably different. Besides what’s currently being used by the anime scene is mostly a hack.

      • NIGGAUDUMB

        Totally wrong. It IS NOT a hack. It’s supported by the x264 developers, and their encoder is MADE BY the x264 developers. And it has a HUGE difference in file-size and a some what decent one quality-wise especially when you’re encoding from a transport stream.

        Here’s a small demonstration of its capabilities:
        http://i.imgur.com/b8N2G.jpg
        5.80 GB VS. 10 GB
        Same movie, same file, same everything.

        • Anonymous

          It is a hack and not a very well supported one. 10bit in its current form is not true 10bit, look it up yourself I really don’t feel the need to explain this to you. Plus your “proof” is animation exactly the opposite of what I was talking about. Try and keep up here.

        • Anonymous

          I call bullsh!t on that one there is no way it reduces the size by 40%…I dont know how else you jury rigged it but using an mp4 with H264 codec will not drop the file size by that much and I have 15 + movies to prove that

        • Anonymous

          Actually, depending on the content this actually is possible. But again my original point was about how ineffective 10bit would probably be for live action, which the replying tard completely ignored and tried to show me up with some anime. An already established beneficiary of the subject at hand.

    • Anony2

      Which would mean something if most people had IPS panels with 10-bit display, and the display drivers output 10 bpc. As it stands, the 2 LSB will be truncated, if the media player renderer can’t deal with 10 bpc

      • Aninhumer

        I don’t entirely understand the reasons, but apparently 10-bit video actually gives higher quality at a given bitrate, at least for anime. I think it’s to do with the greater colour depth allowing the encoder to deal with banding a lot better.

      • Ccccc

        Doesn’t matter that the output is 8bit. That the encoder internally uses 10bit gives a noticeable increase in picture quality with animation – it reduces banding. Compression efficiency is also increased, which means smaller filesize. You don’t need a 10bit display to see the benefits. The reason people are objecting is that hardware decoders, like on modern graphic cards, can’t decode such videos, so you have to do it on the CPU.

        • Anony2

          The point is that you can only output 8 bit to the display driver, so there’s no point storing the pixels as 10 bit. Ultimately the 10-bit gradients have to be interpolated as 8-bit at some stage. If you simply want to avoid degradation during color space conversion such as YUV -> RGB ->YUV, then do your work in a s/w supporting 32-bit float and export as 8-bit. In any case, the source for the encodes is probably 4:2:0 or 4:2:2 8-bit to begin with.

        • Ccccc

          I can only repeat: Doesn’t matter that the output is 8bit. Doesn’t even matter that the input is 8bit. It’s the encoder using 10bit *internally* that makes the difference. Higher compression efficiency, less banding. The efficiency is so much higher that it offsets the bigger pixel size.
          Your point about output is irrelevant, because the improvement comes from *internal encoder precision*. Input and output don’t matter – what the encoder does internally does.

        • Anony2

          I’m well aware of the advantage of 10-bit or higher bit depth processing. All I’m saying is that by storing as 10-bit, you’re breaking compatibility with some of the existing players and increasing the burden on the end-user’s computer. The same result could be achieved by limiting the higher bit depth to just the processing/encoding stage instead of preserving it in the encoded output. Then there wouldn’t be any need for debate.

  • omgwereallgonnadie

    Who cares about SD resolution TV releases anyways? If it’s not HD it might as well not exist.

    • Anonymous

      As I’ve said before give me one reason why shows like The Office, Parks and Rec, or The Big Bang Theory benefit in any way from being seen in HD. They don’t and until they do I’ll continue downloading them in SD while reserving HD for series featuring animation or space battles.

      • Anonymous

        Agreed! Limited HD space and financially cannot afford to buy anything atm. With H.264, higher quality and even less HDD space for the show in SD. If I am looking to burn it, I can always convert.

      • omgwereallgonnadie

        If you can’t see the diff between SD and 720p on even a sitcom, you need to get your eyes checked. Or stop watching shows on your iPhone.

        • Anonymous

          I can see the difference and it doesn’t really matter. I don’t feel the need to see Sheldon’s pores to enjoy the series. Even upscaled on my tv they’re perfectly watchable so why would I wasted extra drivespace or download time on hd for these types of shows?

        • Mwhahaha

          Gotta agree with hikaricore, it’s about the dialogue and writing on some (most) TV shows. Poor production standards can actually make a HD version of a show look worse. If you’re d/l-ing to watch on a tablet or personal player, why do you need HD? Unless you’re on a 42 inch HD tv and you have 20-20 vision, then there’s no need for it at all.

          Unless you really like examining the individual hairs on actors arms.

          It’s like people going crazy for the top notch stereo equipment back in the day, then going home and listening to Phil Collins on it. Why bother?

        • Anon

          Hell, we should just drop the chroma components from the encodes to save even more space because the color doesn’t contribute to the story! It’s all about the dialogue and writing! We might as well watch it on CRT TV sets from the 1950′s!

      • FamilyGuyFan

        I agree. But to say you can’t see the difference means you are as blind and stupid as I expected. One only needs to watch you asshat mannerisms from your idiotic admin methods on thetvdb to realise this. Cunt.

        • Anonymous

          Ah, one of my many fans! Pleasure to meet you as well.

    • Meh

      Not only SD, but also crappy outdated codec.
      xvid should’ve died long long ago…

      • Ohhaitherepoopy

        xvid is the #1 format supported by dvd players…many people around the world burn xvid vids to dvd directly and their dvd players can play it…that is the reason xvid is so popular….That and the fact that xvid demands less hardware to run smoothly..aka old pcs

        • Anyone

          and since now x264 is the “piracy” format players will support it just as widely, if they don’t do so already.

          x264 requires less hardware than xvid, it’s only that so far x264 was mostly HD stuff, so of course it used more hardware than SD xvid

        • FamilyGuyFan

          http://www.raspberrypi.org What’s that? A $25 computer that supports 1080p playback with only 256mb of RAM? You argument is invalid. People are just lazy.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Anyone:
          The fact that new HW will support x264 is poor comfort to those who for various reasons are stuck with old HW.

          There’s no doubt that x264 requires more HW resources. It’s easily measured. This is unavoidable, since the process of decoding becomes more extensive. I have to admit, though, that they’ve done a much better job at striking a balance than I suspected. Even so, it still leaves a lot of people out in the cold.

          FamilyGuyFan:
          Neither Arch Linux ARM or Raspberry Pi is suitable for your average consumer. Your argument is invalid, and the entire x264 crowd in here is simply rude.

        • Ballls2thewall

          xvid is the #1 format supported by dvd players…many people around the world burn xvid vids to dvd directly and their dvd players can play it…that is the reason xvid is so popular….That and the fact that xvid demands less hardware to run smoothly..aka old pcs

          Just exchange XviD with VCD and you have the same argument as people trying to rationalize their refusal to upgrade form a $50 apex to a decent player circa 2003. The only piece of hardware in the last decade plus that does not support H264 in the mp4 container is a dvd player based off outdated technology. Perhaps if people stopped upgrading their phone every 6 moths they too could own something that plays back these superior quality files…

  • Open up and say .aah

    direct to ipad without Handbrake. C’mon retina. Make my day.

    • Beenkeke

      You’re excited about running a shit SD rls on such a high res display? You have to be shitting me. For more than four years I haven’t watched anything in SD that is available in HD.

      • Beenkeke

        *SNORT*

      • Mwhahaha

        I think there’s a girl-guide badge awarded if you make it to Five Years

  • http://twitter.com/themindofdevin Devin

    The ones who complain should be thankful their shows are even being uploaded. It’s really all too amusing.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      If they can’t play them, exactly what should they be grateful for? The fact that you can play them? That’s a lot of altruism for a self-absorbed moron like you to expect from others.

      It is amusing, though.

  • mtfashley

    who gives a shit if its free,its free :D

    • Ioioio

      Well, it does makes a difference if it can be played or not.

      • Anyone

        VLC can play anything

        and it is available for all popular systems

        • Ioioio

          And you can install that in a TV? You have to consider that there are lots of playback devices out there with limited capabilities.

        • Anyone

          time to get a new one, then.
          if it can’t play .mkv it’s most likely older than 5 years, so it is about time to upgrade

        • Anonymous

          Not PS3, not 360, not Wii, not DVD players

  • omgwereallgonnadie

    If the ‘scene’ can actually organize global change like this… they really need to ban torrents in split .rar format. Pain in the ass to have to unrar everything, and no one is going to keep both rar’d and unrar’d around for seeding purposes.

    • http://www.eztv.it/ SantaBJ

      You still don’t get it. The scene has nothing to do with torrents at all.

    • Anonymous

      The scene doesn’t give a fuck about torrents, and besides this is why SRR files exist so you can rebuild a release and seed it later if you feel like it. You’re as bad as the rest of them when it comes to understanding evidently.

      • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

        Right… The Scene doesn’t give a fuck. It’s some supernatural coincidence that their releases hit the torrent community faster than lightning, the instant the encoding is finished. Just a freak accident, every single time…

        So, can I interest you in a watch that shows exact time, right down to the picosecond, twice a day? For this marvel of precision, rivaling any atomic clock, I ask only… Hum, what’s your bank balance and credit rating?

        • Anonymous

          Hate to burst your bubble, but most scene releases start on either irc or ftp. Torrents are an afterthought but I’ll admit in recent years their availability has become much more expedited save for a few random episode of True Blood and Dexter where releases can’t be found anywhere hours after preing.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Nobody’s disputing that there’s a long chain of events before the video finally plays on our screens. That doesn’t mean that one part of the chain doesn’t “give a fuck” about what happens in the other. When a chain is as optimized for speed as this one, it’s due to, not necessarily expressed co-operation, but certainly some mutual consideration between the parts.

        • Anonymous

          I like how you agreed without implying fault on your part. :) Cute.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          hikaricore: I didn’t agree. I reiterated my point, carefully specific on the points you seemed to have a problem with. Happy to learn that you agree, though. And you’re cute too, the way you pretend that by “don’t give a shit”, you really meant “shows consideration”…

    • Anyone

      the split .rar files have a reason in the release chain of the scene

      if some people are too stupid/lazy to unrar before they create the torrent blame them, not “the scene”

      • Anonymous

        Also these days many media players support playback of rared content. (protip: scene rars aren’t actually compressed and can be read directly past the header of the archive)

        • Anon

          can you elaborate on media players that can read rared files right off the archive?

        • Anonymous

          @Anon
          VLC can read and play rar’d video’s

        • Anonymous

          As can Xbmc and all its various forks.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ValhallaLegend Andrew Lee

      LOL MY SIDE!!

    • Anonymous

      How would you “race” (yeh you don’t know the slightest thing about the scene) a release if it was just 1 big file? You moron. No one at the scene cares about BTT..in fact anyone found to be releasing files to BTT trackers are banned from the site and perhaps even scene-banned indefinitely due to a security risk of being exposed on a retarded service.

      • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

        Exactly! And it’s that kind of iron discipline that ensures that nothing ever leaks. Except for every single fucking time, fast enough to make Superman feel glued to the spot.

        • guest

          There’s a reason for this. Some lower tier sites with lower quality groups exist and often have admins that are involved with bit torrent sites. These sites usually don’t have the top tier groups on them, often have groups that are controversial/not well liked in the scene, and are often the subject of scene notices being issued. Sites like these are usually hosted by paid hosts, as in they are “leased” sites.

          The guys on the top have nothing to do with leaking, and would never consider associating themselves with anything related to bit torrent, or at least risk muddying their reputation in the scene with that. The ones on the bottom are another story, and it’s been this way ever since I can remember, all the way back to 2002

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          “guest”:
          You seem to be talking about some part of the Scene that has nothing to do with torrents, nor with the parts of the Scene that has to do with torrents. If there is a completely tight seal between this part of the Scene and the “lower tiers” and the torrent scene, then none of the torrented media can originate with them, and they are non-existent for the purposes of this debate. The part of the Scene that’s being debated are the originators of the torrented media. They are not insulated from the torrent scene; in fact, they are very tightly interfaced with it, since their media files hit the torrent scene in a matter of minutes of final compilation.

          Simple rule: If something leaks to the surroundings, then it’s connected to those very same surroundings. The bigger and faster the leak is, the bigger and faster the connection is. In this case, we’re talking about some seriously high pressure leakage. We’re talking super-charged fire hose, broken dam, the F-ing Niagara Falls of leaks. So, there’s a connection.

          Really, this isn’t hard to understand, and I have no idea why I’m wasting time on someone who can’t grasp it.

    • Derp

      Yea the scene releases that way for a reason and also THE SCENE DON’T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT TORRENT USERS IF ANYTHING THEY HAVE CONTEMPT FOR US.

      • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

        Sure, they despise us. They despise everyone. They despise each other. That’s why they are on the Scene, to inflate their ego’s. Mind you, I’m not complaining, since I enjoy great benefit from this.

        They do give a fuck, though.

    • Anonymous

      Some of us really appreciate the split .rar format in order to be able to keep up our ratios through partial seeding on private trackers. Whatever I’m “given” (even as a by-product) is something for which I’m “grateful.”

  • Anonymous

    funny article. Tough breed of customers indeed! lol

  • Guest

    douche bag,.. i mean all caps man not the release group. I’m greatful the RGs do what they do or the rest of us would be stuck with TIVO. I’m hoping the formats are compatable with my PSP so I don’t have to 3pc them anymore ^^; cool beans on standards update!

  • KannaBlis

    I think it was about time for the change. And I’m getting a great deal of amusment from these “children” who are crying over the change. What gives these people the right to complain about something they are downloading for free. I never understood the mind set behind complaining about receiving something for free. It’s why I call the complainers childern, because they are acting like children. You want xvid/avi format, learn to convert the video or just deal with the change. It’s time to move forward, stop living in the past. Better quality and compatibility is the future.

    • KannaBlis

      After reading the comments I’d just like to add that I’m glad they didn’t jump to mkv. Not that I have a problem with mkv format, but I think mp4 was the best move for SD. Where mkv is for HD quality, it gives people a few choices in what format to choose. Plus, I think more devices and programs support mp4 right outta the box where mkv you’ll have to install a codec. For myself, I couldn’t care less what format it’s in, as long as the quality is nice.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

      What gives them the right to complain is the fact that these are “rules” being foisted upon them by their peers in the scene. If they were just guidelines, recommended best practices, etc., it would be different, but basically one group of kids have formed a little “sharing” club and they won’t let the other kids play in it unless certain rules are followed, so it’s not really about generously sharing and graciously partaking, it’s about power and reminding people who’s boss. It’s all quite amusing if you’re old enough to remember BBSes and the shenanigans the sysops used to pull.

      • Anyone

        nothing is stopping you from recording your own tv and releasing it in whatever format you see fit

        “the scene” just wants to uphold a certain quality standard, and for that strict rules are necessary.

        • Mwhahaha

          The Scene are kinda cute aren’t they in this kinda situation. I like to imagine their lil meetings and decision making processes. I bet they all feel so important, rather than just feeling like people who record stuff off the TV.

      • http://Not.Telling/ Kr0nZ

        you seem to think the Scene cares about P2P

        THEY DONT

        they would prefer if their releases never leaked to P2P at all

        These rules are agreed upon by a group of members from the top Scene groups, they couldnt care less what me, you or anyone thinks about how they go about doing things

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angri-Fellow/100003086139190 Angri Fellow

        downloaders and uploaders are not peers. But any elite that enforces their rules on others should worry that their subjects will become restive.

  • Bloaxor

    The funniest thing about them crying is that this is a GOOD change, as H.264 (which x264 is) is way, way superior to H.263 (which, you guessed it – XviD is.)

    • Bloaxor

      I should’ve probably included that H.264/3 are just standards, and that the two programs are just following the current/older standard.

      In which case it’s to be noted that not only is H.264 superior to H.263, but also that x264 is an amazing codec. (Much better than XviD, that is.)

  • Phil Landry

    It’s about time they change! x264 is way better than xvid

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    why complain? x264 rocks, and compared to it, avi sucks hard.
    Anime mostly released with x264 for a long time now, I wonder what took so long for tv shows to be released with it

    • beenkeke

      TV shows has been released in x264 for many years. It’s just those people who prefer SD over HD that has been left with xvid.

      • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

        why some ppl prefer shitty quality over good quality. (´?_?`)

        • Anonymous

          I keep everything on my external harddrives/laptop and watch most TV shows that way. I went with SD only because it takes up less HD memory. x264 gives higher quality for even less space. I’m thrilled with the change!

          If I like something enough to watch it repeatedly in HD and/or through my DVD player and on TV, I buy it! (What a concept?!)

          Thanks to the uploaders out there. Y’all rock on!

        • Ioioio

          Filesize.

          x264 has often meant huge HD rips leaving those who don’t want to have to download that much data stuck with shitty XviD.

          Hopefully now we get to enjoy much higher quality rips for the same filesize.

    • Anonymous

      “why complain? ”

      LOL screwed up some of their MP4 releases, the audio was out of sync by about 4 seconds (But not 4 seconds exactly which would have made resyncing easy)

      • Losers

        TV Rip groups like those listed are not REAL SCENE groups…. just losers who couldnt make it in the scene or have no skillz…. i can record tvshows and call myself a scene group…. those groups mean NOTHING to the scene and their rules dont apply sorry losers

  • Mc

    People are stupid sometimes.

    Almost makes you see the mafiaas point of view. Almost.

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  • gueststar

    I’m always for better quality, so I really like these new rules or rather standards. That said, I wish they would explicitly ban the use of Normalizers in TV-shows. I can’t remember which group is responsible for the “Walking Dead”-releases but they just fucking overdo it! It annoys the hell out of me when those silent moments get louder and louder by the second just to be cut off hard by spoken parts. It always breaks the immersion and just sounds shit!

    • guest

      You should get the 720p releases with untouched ac3 audio then

  • http://twitter.com/TinkerToyTech bryant ‘BT’ thompson

    I’m glad to hear that the most technically asute are moving forward, but alas, I too have to divx usb dvd upverting players that will need to be retured for an ApleTV2 with XBMC

  • anon

    Morons being morons, complaining that their free shit is packaged in green paper instead of blue. We’ll never be rid of them.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      More like their “free shit” is padlocked, and they don’t have the key. Always nice to get “free shit”, but less nice if you can’t use it.

  • JoJo

    Last time I checked xvid eats your laptop and your pc’s CPU. So can anyone remind me again why people like it?

    • Anyone

      people hate change

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      Because x264 eats even more? Just guessing…

  • asdf

    I didn’t even notice the change until this article. I was a happy camper with everything working with vlc. Now that I noticed I saw that the dl size is smaller. As long as the quality is the same or better I remain to be happy.

  • Anonymous

    BTT users trying to bark at the hand that feeds them. Please stfu.

    If scene-groups werent around 9/10 of the stuff you find online wouldn’t be available. Those users who try to bark at BTT sites doesn’t have scene access and if they were in a site-chan bitching and moaning about the new format they’d get site purged —– Fact. Scene groups don’t give a rats ass about these BTT noobs. Please go away

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      Yes, they don’t give a rats ass! For instance, that’s why they hated so bad on aXXo, when he became immensely popular in spite of breaking with Scene standards. They didn’t give a rats ass, they just hated on him because… because… Shit, I can’t think of anything. Anyway, there are other examples. For instance, that’s why it takes weeks before a release hits the torrent sites. The scene doesn’t give a shit, so it doesn’t become generally available until some undercover n00b manages to infiltrate the Scene, and leaks it. Um… No, that can’t be right… Most releases hit the torrenting community within an hour of airing, probably within seconds of final compilation. Why would that happen, if the Scene didn’t give a rats ass?

      Having thought this over, I’m starting to doubt the absolute nature of the Scene’s indifference…

      Not that people shouldn’t be grateful for their releases. After all, they do share freely, and we do enjoy their generosity.

  • Blink

    Some people will be always very stupid and ignorant …lol

    Remember what Mr. Einstein notice :
    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.”

    It is so true !

    • Sim224

      EVERYONE is stupid/ignorant to some degree. I think the bigger issue is people don’t like change so they have a tendency to put up a big fight about it to resist it. It’s probably a consequence of our nature that we often act that way.

      • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

        Actually, people love change. They just hate having it pushed on them. Being generally rational, they prefer choice: To buy new HW, or to continue using Xvid. Once sufficiently many have updated HW on their own accord, phasing out XviD would hardly create any fuzz at all. The reason for the uproar is that the Scene acted prematurely.

        • Sim224

          It’s a fair point.

  • http://www.weberclean.com/ Kyle-Carpet Cleaning Fargo ND

    Yeah I agree people hate change.

    • Mwhahaha

      I prefer notes if possible

  • Ender Wiggin

    this is awesome, roku plays mp4 natively, so it should make local streaming to my roku boxes immensly easier.

  • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

    the ones that have been bitching about the change are just idiots. hell originally i was like WTF , but after comparing to a previous xvid release, the quality was much better and it still played smoothly even on this piece of shit i have. and don’t forget it takes years for the scene to just catch up on a single bloody format, where as many p2p groups change when they feel something is of better quality.

  • BRiTiSHSM

    we invite everyone over to TheBox.bz where all UK TV torrents will be produced in PROPER Dual Pass XviD something that is way beyond what scene were ever able to accomplish – lazy little kiddies with one pass encoding (gotta race it you know) – and if you believe x264 is higher quality in a smaller file could you please send me $100 I’ll send $200 right back! … LOL @ LOL LMAO @ LMAO and PMSL @ TF …

    • Anyone

      I love thebox, highquality stuff despite xvid, and often the only source for rarer stuff.

      but please don’t sink to such a level ;)

    • Anon

      Typical ignorant fuck. Nothing more to say.

    • Grrr

      All scene releases are two-pass, you idiot. You only have to look at the file sizes to see that. The second pass is actually to *remove* data in a lossy way to meet file size requirements. You’re so full of shit, shit defines itself by dilution from you.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      ROFLMAO! You’re going to be rich!

    • Mwhahaha

      box has shitty ratio issues compared to some private trackers, but good content over all.

  • oed

    Who the fuck uses DVD-players anyway?

    • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

      people who cant afford anything else or do play games….

    • Racer63

      Maybe you don´t but there ´re many around who still burn DVD´s with Divx/xVid

    • Mwhahaha

      People over 12.

  • http://johndrinkwater.name/ johndrinkwater

    It causes uproar because it’s mid?season for most US series, anyone with OCD and wanting a collection is going to have fits ;)

    For supposed encoding specialists, shouldn’t the scene be able to realise x264 is an encoder, not a codec? First line of standard is braindead.

    • Anyone

      for most popular show there is still an xvid if you want to get that.
      it might be a bit later than the x264 and less seeded, but it is out there if you want to collect.

      codec = (en)coder/decoder
      a codec can be used for both encoding and decoding, so they got it right.

    • Anonymous

      I agree that switching midseason may have been an oversight, however it still would have caused an uproar no matter when it occurred and would have likely still happened in the middle of some series anyway.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      I don’t get it…

      What’s up with this bunch of people who don’t realize that all enCOders come with a corresponding DECoder, combining into a codec? Why do they all feel called upon to spread their misconception, often with a tone of misplaced arrogance?

      Seriously, I’d like to know: What went through your mind while you wrote that nonsense?

      • Anonymous

        x264 isn’t a codec. It’s just an encoder for H.264. (I think. I’m not sure.)

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          uSalt2:

          It’s refreshing that you’re honest enough to admit uncertainty, especially considering how many rude comments there have been in this debate. I’ll be on my best behavior, myself!

          The (en)coder is a software library containing instructions for how images should be analyzed, and, based on that, how they should be compressed. The decoder is the software library containing instructions on how to reverse the process.

          The codec must be compiled into an executable, and combined with niceties like user interfaces etc., before it can be used. The H.264 codec is copyrighted, and to compile it into your applications without permission is illegal.

          That doesn’t mean that all hope is lost, though. You can write your own software library, and if its instructions result in the exact same method of compression (identical compressed files as from H.264), it can be used in exactly the same way. Since you wrote it from scratch, that is without simply copying the code in H.264, you can use it freely.

          The result is two codecs that contain different program-code, do their jobs in different ways, but always produce the same results, and are therefore 100% mutually compatible (even interchangeable). There are some reservations to this, though. Programmers will often fall to the temptation of adding improvements; such additions may (but won’t not necessarily, and rarely intentionally) limit the mutual compatibility, until the programmers on the other side match up. Users will hardly notice such things, apart from a little nudge, once in a while, to download a new version. With codecs, those nudges are usually very far between.

          x264 was created to be, and is, such a match for H.264. Both are codecs.

  • http://Not.Telling/ Kr0nZ

    LLLLLOOOOLLL

    Sometimes I wonder if torrenters are as old as the Mafiaa Corps themselves, because torrenters are the last people that want to embrace change.

    Or maybe im thinking of this backwards
    Mafiaa Corps are spoiled brats, just like these torrenters who hate change

    AFAIK isnt mkv for HD? they are talking about changing the format for SD

    I just checked my torrent tracker and most of the TV HD is in mkv

    • Anyone

      .mkv is just a container (like .avi or .mp4), not a codec (like xvid or x264)
      you can stuff into .mkv whatever codec or resolution you want (also in .mp4, but a bit more restrictive)

      so just because a file is .mkv doesn’t mean you can play it if you don’t have the proper codec used inside the container

  • Anonymous

    PS3 doesn’t recognize the x264 codec :(

    • O’lay Pirate

      PS3?! LOL, why would you even bother using that shit?

      I own a PS3, I cannot watch movies on it… it’s got some stupid copyright protection which cuts the movie off after 5 minutes of watching it.

      • Anonymous

        You are doing it wrong.

    • DoNo

      x264 is NOT a codec, x264 is an open source h.264 encoder.

      Note: PS3 supports mp4 (h.264 with AAC audio)

      • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

        Right, it’s an encoder. Uniquely, it’s an encoder with no corresponding decoder, making it absolutely impossible to use for anything, on any system, except to take up space. Of course, if it COULD be played (decoded), then it would be an enCOder/ DECoder, also known as a codec. But it’s not. Obviously. I mean, that would just be silly. A video file that can be played; what a hilarious concept!

        Given that you’re a bit dense, I should probably point out that I’m being ironic? I am. That means that I’m pretending to agree with you, for the purpose of ridiculing you. I think I did a good job. Certainly better than you did on pops87…

        • Anonymous

          h.264 is the codec. x264 is just an encoder for that codec. There IS no corresponding decoder for x264 specifically, but h.264 decoders can decode streams encoded by x264.

          And I have no idea what I’m typing about, but this is what I think.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          uSalt2:

          It’s refreshing that you’re honest enough to admit uncertainty, especially considering how many rude comments there have been in this debate. I’ll be on my best behavior, myself!

          The (en)coder (first half the co-dec) is a software library containing instructions for how images should be analyzed, and, based on that, how they should be compressed. The decoder is the software library containing instructions on how to reverse the process.

          The codec must be compiled into an executable, and combined with niceties like user interfaces etc., before it can be used. The H.264 codec is copyrighted, and to compile it into your applications without permission is illegal.

          That doesn’t mean that all hope is lost, though. You can write your own software library, and if its instructions result in the exact same method of compression (identical compressed files as from H.264), it can be used in exactly the same way. Since you wrote it from scratch, that is without simply copying the code in H.264, you can use it freely.

          The result is two codecs that contain different program-code, do their jobs in different ways, but always produce the same results, and are therefore 100% mutually compatible (even interchangeable). There are some reservations to this, though. Programmers will often fall to the temptation of adding improvements; such additions may (but won’t not necessarily, and rarely intentionally) limit the mutual compatibility, until the programmers on the other side match up. Users will hardly notice such things, apart from a little nudge, once in a while, to download a new version. With codecs, those nudges are usually very far between.

          x264 was created to be, and is, such a match for H.264. Both are codecs.

  • Anons

    Lol, So many noobs who know nothing about the scene. Stick to p2p kiddies.

  • Anonymous

    If it’s better quality then I don’t mind.

  • a.

    I’ll take my bandwidth somewhere else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Joking of course.

  • ScytheNoire

    MKV should be the only file format content is being released in.

  • RIAAtarded

    Honestly the only ones bitching are those that don’t understand encoding or fail to have the right hardware to play the new format. MP4 is used to cover the widest variety of appliances not because it is the best so come on people maybe it is time to upgrade from whatever old POS you’ve been using and move into this century with a proper HTPC setup. As to those bitching at the tracker level that is just moronic they don’t cap, encode, rip, crack anything they just give you access to scene content you otherwise wouldn’t have. Scene would prefer you didn’t have it at all to even bitch about this.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      Really? You want to claim that it’s mistakes and slip-ups, when scene caps always hit the p2p community within seconds of the files being compiled? Every single time? The scene is just riddled with traitors and spies, leaking their hard work all over the Internet? Right… Very believable…

      I was actually on ARPANET, back before it turned into the Internet, studying at the only European university to connect to ARPANET. I’ve been a professional programmer for 15 years, and a programming nerd since C64 hit the market. I’m no n00b, and I prefer XviD/avi over x264/MP4.

      The fact is that a very good case can be made that x264/MP4 is a piece of shit. Check my other post, farther down on the page.

      • Lawrence Roberts

        Ok everyone, this guy was on ARPANET, he must be right. Lets go back to xvid again!

        • Anonymous

          So say we all!

        • anony

          and i miss my ascii porn and 5 1/4″ floppy disks damnit

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Goody! Now the rude idiots are bragging about being n00bs… You guys really need to make up your mind. Either XviD can only be preferred by n00bs, while you’re all seasoned hackers, or you can claim that being a n00b means being modern and fashionable, and you’re all n00bs.

          You’ll notice that my arguments regarding x264 can be found further down on the page. If you want to debate it, have a look there. My lack of n00bness is an argument, but it’s an argument against the relevance of whether people are n00bs.

      • Anyone

        it’s usually not “the scene” releasing it to P2P, but some people with access to scene servers

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          I know. That’s not the issue that’s being argued. The question is whether that would be possible, if the Scene truly wanted to prevent it. I say not, others cling to the belief that the Scene lacks the competence to stop it.

      • RIAAtarded

        Lord I love those that not only have no clue what they are talking about but also fail at basic literacy. Where did I say slip up, accident, or mistake? Actually where did I mention any of the entire first paragraph you’re babbling on about. The scene sells access whether it be racing credit, overall cap usage you can buy, or allowing them access to your bandwidth / server as a dump etc. They are a closed circle though and hate p2p with a passion. Anyone caught uploading to a tracker is del purged and generally they release all info associated with you to burn any further access elsewhere. They consider p2p a security risk which isn’t entirely inaccurate.

        As to your resume not sure your point there being a programmer 15 years doesn’t mean you know anything about the scene, torrent sites or encoding. I didn’t even argue which format was better just pointed out the reality of why MP4 was used and it was multiple platforms compliance. Honestly video quality is a dumb argument at this point it is still SD source and in a day and age where only LCD TVs are sold why not grab the HD version and call it a day. Long and short of it is the scene doesn’t give a shit what you opinion is their encoding it for themselves and it bugs the shit out of them you even have access to it in the first place. So it isn’t going to change no matter how much those of you want to argue the merits of xvid / avi so best to to adapt now or learn to encode it yourself. Always surprises me the amount of complaining about the hard work of others by the masses who are putting in no effort of their own to get it.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Are you arguing that releasing information on insiders isn’t a security risk, but a torrent with no connection to them is? Seriously? Or are you merely arguing that the Scene is deluded enough to think so?

        • RIAAtarded

          I’m telling you what happens why you’re bothering to argue the point is beyond me. If the scene rips / encode / cracks etc and keeps it in a closed loop within their network it mitigates their risk factor. However if it gets off their dumps and into public hands it is disseminated everywhere and then the enforce groups readily have access to it. So it goes from a product meant for a small group of elitists to evidence in a pending trial. That is just the reality of it so yes they do del purge and pass the info around so others aren’t put at risk that just makes sense. It isn’t a delusion to want to ensure your safety when sharing shit that at best is in a legal grey area and if the yanks have their way something that carries a jail sentence globally. All this makes perfect sense to me, it is all about mitigating risk which in reality we all are trying to do from the scene right down to joe blow looking for Dora to keep his kid quiet for 5 minutes.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          You’re not the brightest, are you?

          The torrent can only be backtracked to the uploader at the most, and that’s only if he’s incompetent. The release can’t be backtracked to anyone. There’s no electronic fingerprint. The filename does point to a release group, but gives no indication as to who it’s members are, or how to find them. More importantly, when you’re talking about “evidence in a pending trial”, is that the file name is invented by the torrent uploader. He may or may not choose a name that makes sense, he may or may not credit a release group, that group may or may not be the actual originators, the group may or may not be a figment of his imagination, the group name may or may not be a typo. He could name any CEO or Congressman as the originator. It’s completely useless as evidence.

          An outed Scene insider, however, will know a lot more than what can be learned from a filename. My guess is that he won’t know enough to cause any harm, but, if the Scene is so nerve wracked that a leaked media file scares them, then the panic should be complete when an insider is outed.

          I have no idea where you get your information from. Who knows, perhaps it’s true. What I can say is that, if it’s true, then the Scene consists of a bunch of incompetent, halfwit, panic stricken cowards, lacking both in basic computer skills and the survival instincts that evolution has bestowed on the rest of us.

          I choose to believe that this is not the case, until presented by more conclusive evidence than your unfounded claims.

  • Pignewton

    I like turtles

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      Me to. I’ve never met one I didn’t like.

  • Jason

    Proper lol at ignorant eztv users and general pt users they havent got a fuckin clue hell even some of the lazier and generally clever users have moaned that there favorite rar playin media software dosnt work with new sd standard

    2 all the noobs stop being fuckin tight an invest in some new hardware

    2 all the noobs moaning learn how torrents and scene fuckin work before bitchin

    umad ucry unoob !!!!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      JDLMAO…. it just needs to be said again: “umad ucry unoob !!!!!!!!!”

  • Viewer

    Well, bless their hearts!

    In all fairness, though, for some of them, the “entitlement” may be as much of a cultural thing as the ignorance itself.

    What impresses me most, though, is the exceptional goodness of the people who are converting and re-upping the files for the hardline DVD player loyalists.

    When I add that to the kindness of those who make us a present of the mp4s in the first place, the volume of generosity is humbling!

    So thanks for the article. You’ve given a jaded old person a small but very pleasant dose of uncharacteristic hopefulness for our species!

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  • Guestington

    Wow, this is ridiculous. Just take a few minutes to convert the damn Mp4 to AVI/MKV/whatever. Good on the groups like LOL and MOMENTUM for even having standards in the first place.

    • Anonymous

      “Just take a few minutes to convert ”

      *hours

      • Anonymous

        damned right. even my quad cored 6gb ram computer STILL takes forever to transcode a damned video file. and then you trash the quality in the process.

        • Anon

          Your kidding right? It takes me just a little over an hour to encode a 720p movie using x264 codec on my i7 2600k. I have over 3000 encoded movies in my collection. If it took forever to encode I would have never had that big a collection. A 40 minute TV episode will take 30 mins at most to encode.

          Seriously you are getting shit for free in the first place and then you are telling me you people can’t spend 30-40 mins to encode a damn show before watching it on your precious TV? If you just watch it on your computer, you won’t even have to go through all this shit. Seriously, the scene should make a public announcement and give ya all the big middle finger.

  • Hehh

    Those comments look like they came straight out of, well, any one of the comments on omgubuntu complaining about whatever free software change they didn’t like.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    I find it very odd that release groups are more democratic than our government…

  • http://about.me/lnz LeonimuZ

    Most likely people complaining think VLC, XBMC and Boxee won’t read them (which they do)

  • It’s a fit-up

    I normally hate the ‘entitlement’ label but here it seems quite fitting.

  • Anonymous

    Long Live RealVideo! We are still using .rm, aren’t we???

    • Anyone

      I almost surpressed the memory on that format

      thanks for reminding me

    • R0dney

      I encode all mine to WMV as it’s the best.

      • Steve Jobless

        Bill Gates, is that you?!

      • PK

        I always use Mpeg-1 as my codec of choice. Superb quality and highly compressed size.

  • Anonymous

    Good riddance Xvid, seriously. I’ve been wondering for a long time why they were still using Xvid.

  • optional

    haha, reading these comments is like 8 bit vs 10 bit with anime.

  • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

    Whiney bitch ass morons gun whine.

    Enjoy the your lolz fella’s you have earned it. :)

  • noko

    >dropped XviD
    >replaced it with h.264

    I fail to see a problem.

  • llort sdrawkcab

    DVD players? Those funny boxes that were in use before the computers were invented? Who uses that today???
    LOL.

    • Guest

      I use it only for DVD-R

  • astroboi

    I don’t know what kind of new hardware you guys think plays these formats. I want to play stuff on a stand-alone device and store the files on dvd blanks, not a 1000 gig hard drive, which most of the players require you to use. Plus, I have seen so many interlaced HD files, files full of artifacts and pixelation and, of course, the sound out of sync, all because the encoding is done wrong. I’ll trade lower res for in-sync sound anytime. Oh, yeah. Ever try to save a 5 gig MKV? Won’t fit on a dvd, will it? And it doesn’t even look that much better than the xvid and 1/10 the file size. And you do this…why? To play it on a phone or a 7 inch tablet? Guess I’m too old fashioned but somehow trusting my entire collection of a big hard drive kinda scares me. I can replace a dozen dvds if necessary. But constantly backing up a monster HD for no gain otherwise just seems pointless. Just my opinion. Maybe I am old fashioned.

    • Anonymous

      You are clueless.

      x264 is more efficient than Xvid which means same resolution encodes should be SMALLER, not bigger. This is the SD standards so if you think releases will be 5GB you have no idea what you are talking about. Just shut up before people realise what an idiot you are.

      Phone and tablet support? H.264 hardware decode is MUCH more common than MPEG-4 II hardware decode on these platforms.

      New hardware? There is 5 year old stuff that plays these encodes. You can buy $40 media players with 1080p H.264 capability.

      Your comment regarding interlaced content, artifacts and OOS audio make no sense whatsoever. Release groups will be capturing broadcasts using MPEG2 and other methods as normal. The only change is they are transcoding to x264 instead of Xvid. All the same deinterlace methods etc will be used.

    • Anonymous

      This has to be a troll.

    • Anon

      Yeah time to die grandpa.

  • Anonymoose23

    I think it was a bad move to switch formats mid season. They should have had a clause or something in the standard where all the shows of this current season would keep on being xvid avi mp3, but then the next season would have the new format, so then we would be adopting the format for the summer shows and so on.

    Now my files don’t match :(

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  • Anonymous021

    i still find it funny how demanding people are when they get something for nothing. you don’t like it? DO IT YOURSELF!

  • Anonymous

    I would say just let them do releases in x264. I like many here remember the days before MPeg4 .avi of the lowly .mpg format. You can’t hold back progress and soon time to think of upgrading.

    With that said and done then there is a whole consumer market out there and VAST man(&women)hours are put into serving that market. This is all supply and demand and if someone is not meeting that demand then someone else will do so instead.

    Let people see for themselves if x264 is worth the money, ROTFL. If it is then word of mouth will make the market upgrade. This is just what happened last time when people came to love XviD,

    So time to change your BF/GF and the bed of x264 awaits you.

    • Anonymous

      Bet that the ones bitching about the format progression are the same ones bitching about magnet links….

      We really should have a second internet for those that like stagnation. Ours is all about progress.

      • Anyone

        that’s what the MAFIAA is trying to create ;)

  • MAFIAA = Digital al-Qaeda

    MP4 is a much better format than AVI. AVI quality is naturally more grainy than MP4 and x264. Give it time and the complaining downloaders will get used to the idea.

    Why does anyone still burn files to DVD to watch from their DVD Players? DVD is a old technology now. Plug your computer to the TV and watch without having to do anything.

  • IFUXXSYSTEMS

    Consumers don’t like not being involved, nor do they like new changes, initially, particularly on the web.

  • Anonymous

    i really like this change, for a long time i’ve been telling myself that scene xvid releases should just go, xvid isn’t good anymore thats why i stopped watching scene xvid releases and switched to x264/mkv p2p sources now with this new change i will be back to scene releases, these new standards offer greatly better quality and lower size which really helps when downloading and storing the files. but some people don’t adapt well with change or atleast think it will be bad but in time they will realize that this was the right thing to be done and i can’t stop laughing at some of these comments people are even clueless about many things and they talk like they know it all. its so funny to be honest.

    • Anon

      Those x264/720p shows you download also comes from the scene, not P2P. The scene used x264 exclusively for HD content prior to this.

      • Anonymous

        i do realize this but it was small sized compared to the 1.09gb per episode but this new rule should fix this problem.

  • Barlerer

    F*ck that, I use my media player for 720P MKV!

  • Chronoss2008

    i rerip xvids to x264 for my pc
    512 kilobit , AVC , AAC at 40-80K sound
    tv comes nice at 200meg and most movies around 450 meg
    i save tons a space….BUT without xvids and the HUGE file sizes these noobs want…..im done

  • Anonymous

    My only problem is MP4 instead of MKV, and the codec. H.264 is also a crappy patented format. If it’s SD, why not use Theora? Or else, WebM maybe… but at least MKV. and for those looking for codecs for hours: Media Player Classic/VLC Media Player.

    • Anyone

      x264 is a open source implementation of the H.264 codec
      (much like xvid was the free version of divx; after divx sold out it was quickly dropped ;))

      • Anonymous

        but x264 has a lot of patent issues.

        • Anyone

          so?
          patent is like copyright: easily circumvented if there is a need.

        • Ccccc

          So does Xvid. Both are implementations of patent-encumbered industry standards.

        • Anon

          Nobody cares about codec patents. So there’s no issue unless you make one.

        • Anonymous

          hmm, x264 works for now. but if MPEG-LA starts to become even bigger assholes…

  • Anonymous

    Really? Why not just install CCCP so you can run whatever format you want? Mp4 is better for HD quality movies and it runs on iPods/PSPs and most everything else. Oh, and guess what else? Xvid is Mp4 based! Just change the format and people will stop whining after a while. And I’m sure the same thing will happen with music as well. AAC and FLAC completely beat MP3 in terms of quality. Computers and bandwidth are getting faster, hard drives are getting bigger and cheaper, time to keep up with the times. Don’t like it? Have fun watching your 2.4GB Divx avi, grandpa.

    • Anyone

      or VLC, that way you don’t even have to bother with different codecs since VLC has them all builtin

      • Anon

        VLC sucks donkey dick. Should know that by now?

  • Let’s Ask aXXo!

    Why does there even need to be a single, unified Scene standard? Isn’t this “one size fits all” idea just plain silly?

    Let’s not forget that a big reason why aXXo releases were so popular was because aXXo REJECTED THE SCENE STANDARD.

    • Anyone

      of course there needs to be a scene standard
      if you don’t want to follow it don’t follow it, noone is forcing you, just do your own releases.

      but if you want quality you need standards.

      besides, there are different scene rules for different formats and sources, it is not “one size fits all”, not by a longshot.

    • Let’s Fuck aXXo!

      aXXo was/is a n00b

    • Anonymous

      aXXo was never really popular, the actual case was that he/she/it re-encoded or ripped everything he/she/it could possibly find and flooded the internet with subpar over compressed crap. the only reason aXXo releases were downloaded so often is that they were smaller (often to a fault) and fucking everywhere. given the right motivation and a decent upstream you (well maybe not you..) or I could do the exact same thing and accomplish a similar result even now.

  • Xvidsadvantageoverx264

    the only benefit which xvid holds over the x264 codec is… that on most laptops you can play the codec smooth. so that your video doesn’t freeze every 3 seconds. but if they want to change it, it’s their decision, you ***** should appreciate their work. without them you wouldn’t be even able to download.

    • Anyone

      If you laptop can play SD xvid it will also be able to play SD x264

      of course 720p or 1080p is a different story ;)

      • Anonymous

        I have a quad core computer with 6gb ram and a 2gb video card and it “STILL” chokes on some of those damned 264 videos. its why I avoid them like the plague.

        hardware support is simply lacking and encoding is not even close to standardized. and good luck finding non pc hardware to play it.

        • Nerys’s Mom

          Oh you stupid fuck!

          Fucking wee baby!

          If I could virtually slap you…

        • Anonymous

          careful. I bite.

        • Nerys’s Dad

          and shove your 6g ram, 2g gfx, quad-core-cunt up your arse!

        • Nerys’s Gay Fuck Buddy

          Oh you stupid fuck!

          Fucking wee baby!

          If I could virtually slap you…

        • Ccccc

          Then you’re doing something seriously wrong. The crappy Atom N270 processor can play 720p video, as produced by the scene. Some small hiccups at bitrate spikes, but mostly it plays fluidly. I should know, I have exactly that crappy Atom N270 in my netbook.
          So if you quad core can’t plan these new SD rips, like I said, you’re doing something seriously wrong.

    • Anon

      Even my crappy old netbook running on Intel atom processor can play 1080p movies using x264 codec. Anyone saying their laptop can’t play SD x264 is lying through their teeth and needs to be shot.

      • Anon Fucker

        go find your prick, before your atom processor plays it ;D

      • Ccccc

        1080p? Not possible. Unless you have ION graphics, in which case you have a dedicated hardware decoder. Which means it’s not the Atom doing the decoding. The Atom can handle 720p, but not 1080p.

        • Anon

          Either way the point still stands right? OP is saying his laptop can’t play SD quality x264 releases without freezing which is impossible if even Netbooks with Atom processors can play 720p x264.

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  • fraseralbie

    It’s been a long time coming,Mkv is far better than Avi,I watch it on my computor and if I want it on Tv I recode with flytoavi,it only takes minutes.Some major sites,like Torrentday is also switching,there’s another major change taking place,as reported here on TF,torrent trackers are also being replaced by magnet links,anyhow we should all say thanks to people like LOL.Anyhow there’s a simple solution to this,let some of the loudmouth moaners recode and reup it,simple!!

  • John

    I prefer the newer and superior tech but if some people get some benefit from the older ways I see no problem in downloading the x264 version, converting it and uploading the avi version.
    It’s helping out the people, much as the guys who upload the original version do.
    I hope they’re not offended by that.
    Though it wouldn’t hurt to try the newer formats, there’s a reason they’re considered better.
    These are the two sides of piracy, funnily enough, one side that embraces freedom and sharing and one side that embraces the newer technology and progress.

  • Fuck You whiny Pricks

    ah u whiny fucks sftu and upgrade from your bullshit dvd or avi only players

    From the amount of money you saved not buying content over the last 5years+ should have enabled u to afford a wdtv or similarly nice hardware player

    It’s not the encoders/scene faults your too cheap to not only have decent hardware but that your too lazy to convert it yourself for your crappy hardware fuck u entitled leeching pricks

    oh btw I have encoded alot of releases myself for both 480p 720p and web dl so im not just shitting out my ass like some people are.

    You lazy ass leechers need to learn to encode/reconvert or stfu about what format it comes in.

  • guser

    while i do not support those crybabies, websites/trackers earn money from ads/donations and other services like VIP with unlimited ratio etc

    i can understand why some people are upset
    but not to worry, other release groups will fill the void. even if its just a matter of converting :)

  • Input-Output

    Been nice knowing you, XviD, thanks for all the good times. *raises glass*

  • Adam

    Nice, I like the .mp4 format. I’ve encountered some problems when watching .mkv files via PS3 media server, but .mp4 files work just fine.

    I hope that the new format will also bring better quality to the SD-version of video-files.

  • Omega

    LOL, I’ve been using mp4/AVC encodes for years and now they’re complaining?

  • Raven Sirius

    I do appreciate the groups work as I have no other television access except by downloading. However I’m also not in a position to upgrade any of my tech! So I’m stuck with DivX/XVid at the moment. Any complaint that I have is that the groups that are releasing playable standards (thanks FQM & 2HD) are not being linked to by sites like EZTV anymore. All most people are asking for, of sites like EZTV, are that they continue to link to these groups.

  • Anonymous

    These scene groups are doing those guys a favor by weaning them off AVI. Outdated and they can get better picture quality + small file size. Like all things these guys will bitch and moan for a week then everyone will adjust and move on with the better codec.

  • Foxaholic

    I’m a Leecher and I’m happy. It’s Leecher who tells me.

  • Yeah sure

    Scene elitism has been a source of hilarious entertainment for years and years now. You talk about file sharers feeling entitled, but forget to mention the gallon of piss flowing inside the brains of these “scenesters”. Priceless.

  • Trevor

    I think the scene groups made the right decision. I champion the MKV container but I don’t really see its use for SD. Plus, MP4 has much wider support. Either way, I usually download 720p MKV rips so this decision doesn’t really affect me. I want to see XviD and .avi die already, though.

    • Anonymous

      I have DOZENS of devices. 100% of them play 263 – 2 of them play 264

      WHERE are you getting this “wider support” crap from ? please don’t tell me your sole data point is icrap?

      • Anon

        Unless we adopt x264 on a mass scale, the hardware market won’t grow either and we will be stuck with stupid devices that don’t support x264. Its simple Supply and Demand. If you don’t demand x264 compatibility from your devices, the companies wont give it to you.

        When scene groups started using Xvid instead of MPEG and DAT, there was a similar hue and cry because back in those days, you had to burn videos in DAT format to CDs to be able to play them on TV. Only the most advanced and expensive DVD players recognized Xvid back in those days. Imagine watching a CD quality movie with 320*240 resolution today in 2012!!

        You have got to adapt and move on with the times or you can die a painful death like the MAFIAA.

        • Anonymous

          OUR adoption of x264 is 100% meaningless.

          wait. wait let me think. ahhh how cute. how quaint. you ACTUALLY THINK the divx files the “scene” produced actually caused manufacturer’s to produce divx support in set top devices.

          ahhh how cute.

          Let me explain to use WHY we have “SUCH A PLENTIFUL” supply of divx/xvid compatible hardware.

          Because an ACTUAL CORPORATION (Divx) PUSH for licensing of their codec in HARDWARE.

          they put actual MONEY into it and this CATAPULTED divx support.

          so where is your white knight for 264?

        • Joker

          Idiots will be idiots. That’s you nerys. Nobody is talking about divx here but Xvid. Who is the pirate scene uses divx?

  • Loganschlife

    Finally MP4 is the best…. EVERYTHING supports it! Hopefully they will release HD videos using x264 instead of mkv.

    But I can only hope.

    • Anyone

      you are an idiot

      this is x264 inside .mp4
      HD is x264 inside .mkv

      you are an idiot

      • Loganschlife

        I meant mp4 for HD…. but I think most people knew that I was implying that.

        • Anyone

          .mkv is superior, they only chose .mp4 because SD is more likely played on iCrap, and of course that closed system doesn’t support a non-Apple codec

      • Loganschlife

        I meant HD using mp4… But I think most everyone understood what I was implying.

      • Loganschlife

        I meant HD using mp4… But I think most everyone understood what I was implying.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t like the change cause LOL screwed up their releases. The audio was out of sync in some by almost 4 seconds.

    • Anonymous

      god thats why I hate 264 so damned much. its almost “NEVER” got in sync audio.

      • Anon

        You are a noob and a fucktard at that. Don’t talk about shit you have no idea about. It only shows your ignorance and stupidity.

        • Anonymous

          want to do a count of the out of sync audio video files I have downloaded in the last 2 years.

          I will bet you a years salary 100% of the sync issue files are 264 videos.

        • Anon

          Let me see…3000+ movies and 500+ TV show episodes downloaded in the last 4 years in x264 format…just 2 movies I can remember being out of sync and I still managed to fix the sync issue. I myself am an encoder who regularly uploads to torrent sites and all movies in my collection I have encoded myself with x264 codec. Audio/video sync is a non-existent issue. End of story.

  • fuck you.

    Don’t like it? Then go buy it you fucking whining crybabies. You have no right to complain when you get something for free.

    • Anyone

      the formats that you can buy are even worse :D

    • Anonymous

      would gladly buy it if I could. alas 99% of its “not for sale”

      in fact its the only reason I download my videos. they are flat out “NOT AVAILABLE” for sale.

  • Leonard

    “We really should have a second internet for those that like stagnation. Ours is all about progress.”

    Quite right…maybe…if everyone were rich and so had plenty of time to study up on and apply the arcane world of codecs, containers, 8 bits v 10, etc. The fact is, most of us don’t, and that’s why we hate change.

    All this “progress” or at least the abruptness and speed of it, appears to be strictly of, by, and for a minority of people who love to fiddle with computer stuff, and so will use most of their spare time for that. The rest of us have to scramble behind you to catch up and make our entertainment junk work again–in bits and blocks of time stolen from the family and the job, and, oh yes, sleep.

    And as dessert, we get to listen to you act condescending to us–just because we like free stuff that you have created to show off your knowledge, and that incidentally has practically become the standard way of seeing video.

    Leonard

    • Glib

      Install VLC, use it. Not rocket science to update software once a year. My mom installed VLC on her own a few days ago; she learned how to use a computer 3 months ago. Why did she install it? Because I sent her a video that her computer couldn’t play and she Googled it.

      Being too stupid to install a codec is hardly a good enough reason to not move forward.

    • Anon

      You have to be an imbecile to not know how to install a codec or a media player that can play x264, a codec that’s been around for over a decade. Even a monkey fresh out of the womb can do that for you.

  • x264

    The Scene just posted shitload of x264 on tpb today!

    DANG!

  • CLL

    I can understand H.264 for HD rips, but I really don’t see any point in dropping MP4 in the AVI container for SD. Many people download SD so that they can play it on a standalone divx player (although now in the days of decent media player boxes, those are now becoming less common).

    • CLL

      Bah, mistyped. Meant MPEG4 (divx and xvid), not MP4.

  • I like Xvids

    I readily accept any format you guys want to use, but my concern is for the people who have older hardware.

    MP4 and MKV require more system resources to play than standard Xvid. I want us to be a community that supports all users, not just the ones with newer hardware. I want everyone to be able to take part and enjoy. There are a lot of people around the globe that still use older computers.

    This is why I love Gnu/Linux and open software so much. The ideas behind this technology are not based upon separating the haves from the have-nots. It is not about social status or money, but rather about making the technology accessible to all.

    I myself have never been a video purist. I enjoy and appreciate whatever is available…old VHS rips, low-quality kung-fu movies in RMVB, or great looking MP4s. It really doesn’t matter to me. Speaking on behalf of Xvids, I must say, I have seen some that looked absolutely astounding in quality and yet they were only around 500-600MB. That amazes me. Xvids can look very good for a small file size. I suppose it depends on how someone does it.

    I RARELY download/upload 1080p. They take up too much space on your hard drive and take longer to download/upload. I sometimes download 720p, but if I am given a choice between 720p and a standard Xvid, I’ll always go with the Xvid.

    I don’t think we should abandon Xvids. Any future uploads that I may do will be in Xvid.

    • Anyone

      for now most stuff is also released in xvid, x264 is a new category, it doesn’t replace xvid as such.

      of course over time xvid will fade out, just like mpeg and mpeg2 faded out before.

      • Anonymous

        Do you know “WHEN” mpeg/mpeg2 faded out? when the industry as a whole reached a critical mass of “hardware” that could play 263 video.

        we have NOT reached this critical mass of hardware for 264 and I don’t anticipate we will in the next 3 or 4 years.

        in fact I have exactly 2 players that will even handle 264 and NEITHER of them will handle “ALL” variations of 264 not even close.

        all of my hardware however will play pretty much “ANY” 263 file I toss at it.

        there is no logical reason “NOT” to use 263. it encodes faster it decodes faster and the “quality” is more than sufficient for the intent of the content.

        I spent a LOT of money buying a special damned player to handle the stinking mkv files the anime community loves so much (for its dual audio capacity)

        • A Supporter

          FAIL!

        • Anyone

          as i said, for now there still are xvid releases, get those if you need them
          and if there is no x264 content there is no reason to make x264 hardware, it’s a “chicken or egg” problem, so one side has to start, and this is it.

          also, Raspberry Pi, a $25 computer can play 1080p x264, there is no reason to spend a LOT of money

        • Anonymous

          Oh yeah. HEY MOM for your birthday here is a raspberry pi I got for $25

          Plus the money for the hardware so I can hand here a disc or usb drive with files on it.

          Plus the hardware to make it remote controlled so she can hook it to her tv

          PLUS the training to teach her how to use it.

          Versus. hey mom here is a $30 set top dvd player you already know how to use and here is a disc full of the “I had to do nothing to them” video files you wanted.

          yeah GREAT choice

    • Anonymous

      By “newer hardware” you mean something less than 10 years old?

    • Glib

      My 7 year old laptop that wasn’t even great when it was new can play 720p h264 video without issue; probably can do 1080p as well, though I don’t think I “own” any.

      If they want to switch to better formats, so be it; makes no difference to me as all my decoders are software based (PCs), though I could see someone not being too happy. Personally, I just don’t like that all my files don’t have the same suffix ;).

  • Gargamel

    Well its about time ‘The Scene’ got their shit together and pulled their asses out of the mid 90′s.

    Christ they only started encoding in FLAC this year to and had to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the mp3 era.

    • Guest

      >FLAC
      People are distributing in lossless format?

      HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

      AAC is comparable at much lower file size. Unless you have the really expensive, top quality audio equipment and you’re an audiophile, you’re not going to notice a difference.

      What’s next? We’re going to release videos in lossless HuffYUV or lossless x264 format?

      • Google Support Engineer

        RGB/YUV RAW VIDEO is the best

      • FLAC Enthusiast

        Hearing the difference now isn’t the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is ‘lossy’. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA – it’s about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don’t want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.

        I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange…well don’t get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren’t stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you’ll be glad you did.

        • Anonymous

          Are you trolling? That’s not how lossy compression works.

        • Anonymous

          uSalt2: He’s trying to parody audiophiles.

        • Audio Archiver

          I have a PhD in Digital Music Conservation from the University of Florida. I have to stress that the phenomenon known as “digital dust” is the real problem regarding conservation of music, and any other type of digital file. Digital files are stored in digital filing cabinets called “directories” which are prone to “digital dust” – slight bit alterations that happen now or then. Now, admittedly, in its ideal, pristine condition, a piece of musical work encoded in FLAC format contains more information than the same piece encoded in MP3, however, as the FLAC file is bigger, it accumulates, in fact, MORE digital dust than the MP3 file. Now you might say that the density of dust is the same. That would be a naive view. Since MP3 files are smaller, they can be much more easily stacked together and held in “drawers” called archive files (Zip, Rar, Lha, etc.) ; in such a configuration, their surface-to-volume ratio is minimized. Thus, they accumulate LESS digital dust and thus decay at a much slower rate than FLACs. All this is well-known in academia, alas the ignorant hordes just think that because it’s bigger, it must be better.

        • Audio Archiver

          I have a PhD in Digital Music Conservation from the University of Florida. I have to stress that the phenomenon known as “digital dust” is the real problem regarding conservation of music, and any other type of digital file. Digital files are stored in digital filing cabinets called “directories” which are prone to “digital dust” – slight bit alterations that happen now or then. Now, admittedly, in its ideal, pristine condition, a piece of musical work encoded in FLAC format contains more information than the same piece encoded in MP3, however, as the FLAC file is bigger, it accumulates, in fact, MORE digital dust than the MP3 file. Now you might say that the density of dust is the same. That would be a naive view. Since MP3 files are smaller, they can be much more easily stacked together and held in “drawers” called archive files (Zip, Rar, Lha, etc.) ; in such a configuration, their surface-to-volume ratio is minimized. Thus, they accumulate LESS digital dust and thus decay at a much slower rate than FLACs. All this is well-known in academia, alas the ignorant hordes just think that because it’s bigger, it must be better.

        • Anonymous

          @MadDonkey: Oh. I see. Wait, audiophiles actually make those types of arguments?

      • Anonymous

        They are not so much bigger than 320kbps MP3 and I guess that people who can hear high frequencies well may easily hear the difference.

  • Anonymous

    The scene should go back to VIVO just to annoy all you retards even more

    • Anonymous

      ^ This guy wins.

    • Google Support Engineer

      Scene should upload to YTube :D

      • Anonymous

        Dear [username]:

        We have disabled the following material as a result of a third-party notification from [copyright holder here] claiming that this material is infringing:

        [name of scene release here]
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=video id here]

        Please Note: Repeat incidents of copyright infringement will result in the deletion of your account and all videos uploaded to that account. In order to prevent this from happening, please delete any videos to which you do not own the rights, and refrain from uploading additional videos that infringe on the copyrights of others. For more information about YouTube’s copyright policy, please read the Copyright Tips guide. If one of your postings has been misidentified as infringing, you may submit a counter-notification. Information about this process is in our Help Center. Please note that under Section 512(f) of the Copyright Act, any person who knowingly materially misrepresents that material was disabled due to mistake or misidentification may be liable for damages.

        Sincerely,

        — The YouTube Team

  • Hai

    Oh my. The anime community phased out XviD since 2006/2007. The Scene is way behind. They’re just now adopting x264? Guarantee that means 8-bit x264 encodes. I’m guessing they’re 10 years away from adopting 10-bit x264 encodes. By that time, the anime community would already adopted the open source version of the h265 standard for 5 years. The Scene needs to learn from the anime community.

    And for the hardware players that are mentioned in the article–hardware players become obsolete fast. We shouldn’t hold back technology just so you guys made a bad choice and chose something that became obsolete very quickly.

    The only solution is to learn to re-encode yourself. There’s at least 3 trillion all-in-one re-encoding programs for you. I can suggest one that I used when I was dumb enough to use a hardware player: xvid4psp. I also hear all-to-avi and handbrake are pretty good.

    • Anyone

      for anime the reason was probably subtitles, which are a pain in .avi and much better supported in .mkv
      and when you are using .mkv you might as well use x264 as well ;)

  • Anonymous

    You have to look at the advantages of MKV – more audio formats, better sub support etc, and then ask yourself if they are important for SD TV shows.

    Most of the time they are not. You’re not going to be delivering a 1500kbps DTS track with a SD TV release..! And subtitles are rarely practical for real time TV releases, if a show has just aired then naturally there is no subs available for it yet.

    So using MP4 makes more sense due to better hardware compatibility.

    • Anonymous

      I am not sure why people keep saying “better hardware compatibility” when I have precisely TWO pieces of hardware that can even PLAY 264 video my Galaxy SII and my Computer.

      Everything else won’t TOUCH 264 video. 100% of my hardware (and its a lot of hardware) plays 263 video.

      • Anonymous

        Because it is true.

        Go look at some current gen SOCs. They all have H.264 hardware decoders but very few have MPEG-4 II decoders in HW.

        H.264 is the de-facto format for online delivery of video. That’s why H.264 hardware decoders are built into any modern SOC. Phones, tablets, consoles, low-end GPUs, all these things have hardware H264 decoding but not MPEG-4 II.

        Xvid is not an implementation of H263 and the fact that you think it is suggests that you know nothing about the subject.

        • Anonymous

          online yes. for online you want “tiny” yes I do notice all the videos I extract from youtube are mp4 and I assume 264 codec (never bothered or cared to check)

          I have to admit not sure what SOC is? Streaming On Command?

          all I know is not a single one of the 50+ DVD players I have play 264 video files (its complicated we have a lot of dvd players at work)

          but 9 out of 10 of them play divx/xvid

          EVERY transcoder I have calls xvid/divx H263 so I just assumed thats what it was. I will admit my stuff is rather old since its been a long time since providers have used anything but the desired universally compatible xvid/divx codec

          Define obsolete? how can you call a popular well supported mature MANY TIMES MORE THAN GOOD ENOUGH format obsolete?

          When something “ceases” to adequately perform its function such as a “horse” compared to a “car” THEN you can call it obsolete.

          I have a word I use. I call is presolete. think of it as the same as but opposite side of obsolete.

          Kind of like the USELESS digital tv they shoved down our throats.

          it works with nothing. no portable players no audio players no vcr’s no dvd-r’s no “usable” tuner cards since all cable providers have gone back to PROPRIETARY signals rendering all tuners “useless” (and before you say I am blind there are plenty of portables those are NOT PORTABLES. those are MINIATURES and nothing more. Don’t believe me? try to so much as “walk” with one of them. you will INSTANTLY lose signal. they flat out “DO NOT WORK” in motion even 5mph. Worthless.

          I hate digital tv. I hate it with a passion. Not because analog is better. but because they INTENTIONALLY CRIPPLED digital so its “rendered” useless by default.

          Now H264 is not the same as this but it suffers from similar problems. ZERO adoption rate.

          the ONLY reason my phone plays H264 is that is has a freaking dual core processor and a GPU.

          You say don’t complain its free. That’s just it. ITS NOT FREE. it requires the purchase of new hardware for ZERO GAINS.

          what does h264 get me? saves me 150mb an episode. WOOPEE

          better quality? thats supposed to be a joke right? we talking WHAT 720×480 at best? you think there is ANY “usable” visual difference between a 200mb h264 and a 350 divx file? your kidding right? who you trying to sell that snake oil too.

          HEY trust me I WISH it had more support. I WOULD LOVE 200mb files it means I can fit more episodes on a DVD.

          I LIKE burning stuff off to DVD while I have 12TB of hard drives it scares the crap out of me to realize what I could lose if one of them 2TB drives decides to puke.

          but changing formats “just because” without a truly USEFUL reason to do so is patently stupid in my book.

          there was a VALID usable reason to go from mpeg1 to divx.

          I loved and used mpeg1 for the same reason UNIVERSAL compatibility.

          once there was massive support for divx IT MADE SENSE to switch. smaller files and higher resolution. VISIBLE NOTICEABLE resolution change.

          that was a “worthwhile” upgrade

          mpeg1 is STILL to this day NOT obsolete and the reason is simple. FLAT OUT ANYTHING will play it and for the content from the mpeg1 era the quality is largely “good enough”

          remember we are talking TV EPISODES here not MOVIES.

          you guys have a fracked up concept of what the word obsolete means.

        • Anonymous

          nerys: What are you tolking about? Most new TVs can even play H264 directly from a USB stick.

      • Ccccc

        You’re so caught in your ignorance that you completely failed to notice that when people say “better compatibility” they’re talking about *containers* – mkv vs mp4.
        Even if it’s the same formats inside, a device also needs to know how to demux the container. And well, there are devices out there than know to demux mp4, but do not know to demux mkv.
        But you need something to base your rants on, so you’ll conveniently ignore that.

      • Anonymous

        What are you talking about? Even most TVs can now play H264 directly from a USB stick. You can’t find a more widely supported format.

        • Anonymous

          not a single one of our tv’s play ANYTHING of that sort. none of them have “usb ports” or “memory card ports.

          I just got back from walmart. ONE television had a USB port and it was $2500 yeah I am gonna go buy that right now hang on while I whip out the cash.

          I am not replacing all my TV’s because of some stupid 264 video files. WE are not wealthy. we don’t have a household full of 50″ $3000 televisions.

        • Anonymous

          nerys: Then move to a developed country. (or stop lying)

      • Asdf

        I think your problem is that you’re poor.

  • Fredrik Blomqvist

    Those that complain should complain to their mothers creating them instead.
    I’ve always wondered why they use such a sucky codec as Xvid when x.264 rocks the quality – size ratio.
    But yeah, MKV would have been wishful, I mean if you don’t have a player that supports it, buy one! Since you probably have some money over after downloading movies instead of buying them ;)

    • Anonymous

      There is a simple reason why they used divx/xvid

      EVERYTHING READS IT. phones? got it PDA’s ? done Portable Players? DOne
      Streamers? Done – Low end computers? Done – DVD Players ? Done

      which of those play x264 files? mid grade and better computers – GOOD high end android phones and thats about it.

      there is a reason 264 sucks. nothing supports it. Does not matter how “superior” a format is if I can’t play it.

      • Anonymous

        You’re an idiot.

        • Anonymous

          I know you are neener neener.

          that about all I can justify you with your such a twit.

        • Anonymous

          Still an idiot.

  • Snoop Cat

    I got an idea … if what they get from them for free is not good enough, why don’t they buy it? All for freedom but complaining about this is a bit ott imo

  • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

    Fact of the matter is it’s a non-issue. bittorrent works with seeds and leechers, the more popular formats will be the heaviest seeded ones. If one can’t find the media they want in the preferred format, they can always convert (first world problem, really), but if .avi is the most popular format then any file in that format will be the most heavily seeded.

    It really is supply and demand. If you don’t like your w4r3z from one source, switch to another. Big fucking whoop.

  • Ralph Brubaker

    “For those who understand, the whole thing is pretty amusing.”

  • foff

    Oh shut up babies. I stopped downloading xvid a year ago when I finally got a tv capable of displaying higher resolution. You can see the difference. If you are still in the stone age and need xvid then convert it or save your money and upgrade now run along and stfu.

  • Desu75

    About time the scene community caught up to where the anime community was 5 years ago.

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  • Guest343387

    Eh, MKV and .Xvid both have their own pros and cons.

    Xvid Pros:
    Almost any device can play .avi
    Uses less resources when played on a PC
    Smaller file sizes

    Xvid Cons:
    Picture Quality is slightly worse
    Since .avi is not a container you cant have language tracks in one file.

    .Mkv Pros:
    Mkv is a container thus allowing you to many language tracks and subtitles in one file
    Picture Quality is slightly better than xvid

    Cons:
    Not all devices play .mkv such as Xbox 360, PS3, DVD Players
    Files size are larger
    Uses a lot of CPU and Memory resources, meaning it wont play nice on older computers.

    • Anonymous

      *twitch*

    • Desu75

      “Files size are larger” huh? If it’s an x/h264in the MKV container then you use b-frames which make the file size considerably smaller.

    • Anyone

      you can’t compare xvid and .mkv, that’s literally like comparing apples and oranges

  • theChaser

    I can’t get a message to you owners, if anyone can could you pass this along,
    kat.ph/thelocalbay-desktop-kat-and-tpb-archives-search-bubanee-t6221788
    removed the linkable parts.
    You guys who own this site should follow this up. it’s a huge option and a kick in the ass for authorities.

    • theChaser

      just remove the / and add .html to view

  • Bert

    I must say that this new change is inconvenient to me because I watch most of my stuff on standalone DVD players that handle XviD perfectly. I am unaware of a player that handles MP4 that is as affordable as the XviD type. I have a HTPC setup yes but for ease of use standalone DVD player is great for relatives, quick setup etc. In the meantime, although inconvenient, I will convert the new downloads as I have been already for some time. I can see where the release groups are coming from but it’s all about the nerd-factor here so am surprised this didn’t happen earlier. Expect to see a lot of re-encodes appearing on sites now. It’ll balance out OK in the end. Some people will take up the XviD torch even if it’s not cool enough for the scene groups now. The ignorant posters aren’t needed and it’s not a real reflection of the majority of good sharers. Life goes on.

  • Jo

    torrentfreak just brings more heat to the scene….

    • Bert

      You are a moron.

  • Songo

    I’m surprised they chose mp4 and require closed source Apple or Nero AAC. This goes against everything I thought the scene stood for. I’m also surprised at the lack of a mod16/mod8 resize requirement. I’d also like to see the -tune feature be required not just allowed, it makes a HUGE difference.

    While the mp4 container is more widely accepted by devices than mkv, these same devices are typically restricted by VBV. Anyone who understands x264 knows that CRF plus VBV restrictions don’t mix (lots of blocking artifacts). It’s either 2 pass with VBV or CRF and no limit on VBV. This will cause problems for people with Xbox360 and PS3 who think ALL mp4 scene rips will work flawlessly, under the scenes current encoding standards some videos will stutter from time to time.

    Clearly the “scene” has a bit of learning to do and needs to decide exactly what defines a modern media streamer. IMO gaming systems don’t qualify but if they do VBV and 2 pass is necessary.

    I was expecting mkv with mp3. So much for supporting open source.

  • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

    What an exceptionally smug article…

    Let’s get one thing out of the way:
    “First off, these release groups aren’t deliberately releasing TV shows to please the masses. They do it for their own entertainment and it’s only when they leak out do the wider world get access to them.”

    This is high grade fertilizer. It’s supposed to be by accident that these things “leak” out? The release groups do not AT ALL compete in delivering quality, using popularity as one of the measures? They’re completely uninterested in winning a reputation? They’re doing it just to share with a select group of close friends?

    Come on, the average peer may be an idiot, but he’s not stupid enough to fall for that crap. You point out yourself that some are already rushing to supply this demand. I suppose they, too, just want to share with some select few friends?

    The fact is that the scene thrives on the support of vast masses of file sharers, and depend on it for maintaining their own anonymity. Without this, they’d have to create completely hermetical communities, because they’d be too exposed due to small numbers. They’d be bored stupid, locked in ever diminishing, tiny VPN communities.

    True, average downloaders owe the cappers, rippers, release groups, index sites, indeed the whole scene, a debt of gratitude. However, as pointed out, it’s not quite as one sided as some would have it.

    Then there’s the smug phrase “move with the times”. Yeah, sure. Better compression. Great! 20 years ago, I could’ve really needed that. Today, I have an ISP literally (yes, literally!) forcing bandwidth on me, and I can’t buy a new HDD with less than a TB even if I wanted to. Both these upgrades are ludicrously cheap and so simple that a 90 year old n00b can do it.

    At best speed, I can download 210 MB/min. Double the size of the standard XviD file, and I can still dl a hour episode in 3 minutes 20 seconds. Of course, that’s just in theory. In reality it’ll take a few minutes to reach top speed, and it won’t always be possible at all, so 10-15 minutes is more likely. Even that’s not a problem; I can handle a 10 minute delay of gratification.

    So, are they “moving with the times” when they’re satisfying my 20 year old need, a need I no longer have? Of course not! They’re under-utilizing the most bountiful computer resources, and straining the most limited resource. I’m a programmer, and know the technical terms for that: Incompetence, when unintentional, and rip-off, when intentional. There’s much too much of it within programming, most of it from big corporations, and it keeps driving consumers into buying “better performance” which offers no benefit.

    As it happens, my computers can all handle x264. Even my oldest manages it flawlessly, though by a fine margin. Being a nerd and IT professional, I always have the HW to run anything, and if I don’t, I still find a way. Even so, I’d go for a double, triple or quadruple sized XviD files before x264. That would actually give exquisite quality, but more importantly, keeping in mind that I’m a nerd, it would allow me to use those delightful CPU cycles on other tasks, of which I have plenty.

    x264 isn’t more advanced. In fact, it’s poorly designed; it’s suited for platforms with painfully slow bandwidth, tiny (not in the good way) storage devices, massive image resolution, and powerful CPU’s. Those are rare creatures indeed! x264 is newer, and will only run on newer hardware, but that isn’t the definition of progress. It does provide better quality per MB. In fact, it provides impressively good quality per MB. It also provides unnecessarily good quality per MB. There’s no need for it. No demand. No target user group. Except, that is, the ones who will always go for the newest, most expensive, “high status” solutions. There’s always those.

    Nobody wants to please ALL CAPS MAN, but that’s no reason to go out of your way to please Snooty Snob Man, is it? After all, Snooty Snob Man doesn’t know what he wants until you tell him, and then he’ll believe anything you say. Just tell him it’s fashionable to stand on your head while downloading, and he’ll be happily giving himself a fashionable aneurism, with no exertion on your part.

    • GoodForYou

      Seems to me like you’re the Snooty Snob Man, bragging about your 210/MB/min e-wang. Most I’m able to do is about 6/MB/min, or 360/MB/hour with no possibility to upgrade. That makes even XviD SD rips a pain to download. But I’d MUCH rather get those SD rips in x264 at the same or better quality for a lower filesize, or the same filesize but at a higher resolution and quality. XviD has had its day, it just doesn’t cut it anymore by comparrison. It can’t match the quality at the same resolutions or filesizes as x264. It’s had its day just as Div3/DivX did all those years ago after XviD came along.

      • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

        I don’t mind the fact that x264 is available. Why would I? The question is: Why do you mind the fact that XviD is available to those who need or prefer it? I really don’t get that.

    • Justin Smith

      Actually… scene would prefer you did not acquire these files. If it were up to scene groups no one outside their FTP and IRC networks would ever see the files they release.

      However the hardware operators of FTP/IRC tend to sell the files to the owners of private torrent sites, whose users then leak it to TPB and company.

      • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

        Right. Now explain why the Scene doesn’t encrypt their communication.

        The fact is that they’re not bothering to take even basic precautions to stop the dissemination of the rips. The precautions that they do take, are to keep their identity hidden. Considering how good they are at that, I would expect them to be more efficient if the really “would prefer [we] did not acquire these files”.

        Your insinuation that VTV, EZTV, etc. are cash machines, providing bribes to server operators, is ridiculous. The idea that the operators would take bribes from torrent sites, to leak the files, but not from the MAFIAA, to NOT leak them, is beyond ridiculous.

        So, I have this watch, which shows the time with uncanny precision twice a day. I guarantee that this precision rivals that of atomic clocks. What will you give me for it?

        • Mike Oxlong

          Again someone on the outside looking in voicing a misinformed opinion.
          Fucking self entitled torrent user.

  • songo

    I’m surprised they chose mp4 and require closed source Apple or Nero AAC. This goes against everything I thought the scene stood for. I’m also surprised at the lack of a mod16/mod8 resize requirement. I’d also like to see the -tune feature be required not just allowed, it makes a HUGE difference.

    While the mp4 container is more widely accepted by devices than mkv, these same devices are typically restricted by VBV. Anyone who understands x264 knows that CRF plus VBV restrictions don’t mix (lots of blocking artifacts). It’s either 2 pass with VBV or CRF and no limit on VBV. This will cause problems for people with Xbox360 and PS3 who think ALL mp4 scene rips will work flawlessly, under the scenes current encoding standards some videos will stutter from time to time.

    Clearly the “scene” has a bit of learning to do and needs to decide exactly what defines a modern media streamer. IMO gaming systems don’t qualify but if they do VBV and 2 pass is necessary.

    I was expecting mkv with mp3. So much for supporting open source.

  • yuck

    With tablets becoming more popular MP4 is the way to go.

  • dummies

    x264 is by far superior to xvid. get a fucking cable to connect to your tv idiots. hopefully dvdrips will have x264 standard next. those 700mb AVIs are shit. p2p > scene though

  • Dox

    So sad that some people will need to convert mp4 to avi. These comments show how truly stupid the casual “pirate” is.

  • Mwhahaha

    uhm, can’t all you angry ppl just alter the file format to what you like best with something like freemake video converter?

    I did find it a bit weird that eztv didn’t let ppl know this would be happening to their releases.

    Changing at the end of TV seasons would work best, esp for the more anal among us.

    I’d imagine that if a groups release went from 1m downloads to say… 18 downloads they would care a lot about it, after all what do they do it for otherwise? It’s a sense of self aggrandisement gained from the amount of ppl using something they ‘created’.

    If it all speeds up sharing then all the better.

  • lothoplast

    People should direct their frustration at their player manufacturers to update the firmware to play mp4 and mkv rather than complain here and on torrent sites.

  • Psyatika

    only posting to make the login button work

  • LOL

    http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/109730
    http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/109852

    hover over differences between xvid vs x264 releases. no one can say the xvid looks better.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      No one is saying that it does. Note, however, that it could, with enough passes, care, and skill, not to mention with a greater file size. The question is whether compatibility with older HW is important enough to be providing both XviD AND x264. Unsurprisingly, people who want or need to use older HW think that it is. Personally, I agree with them, even if x264 causes me no problems.

      Why some are objecting to providing both is a mystery to me. The most popular arguments seems to be that those who want both are stupid n00bs. Exactly how this connects to the importance of preventing them from getting XviD is somewhat unclear. I can only assume that it makes sense to those who argues it. It seems like that kind of pettiness and illogical reasoning would make sense only to stupid n00bs…

  • yea its all EZTV fault :)))))

    “….begins one user on popular torrent site EZTV….”
    lol so many years EZTV was stilling from the scene and didn’t give them any credit, i think it deserve a little nagging about “their releases”
    on private trackers people know that trackers only provide the files from the scene and have no control of what the scene release :)

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      Right… They’re “stilling” from the scene, ’cause the scene owns those shows. And, giving full credit in the torrent names isn’t giving credit. And, of course, everybody knows that EZTV is a tracker. Right?

      Jeez… I don’t know whether to laugh or cry over such abject stupidity. The most fascinating, though, is how such stupidity combines with arrogance and an attempt to ridicule others.

      • yea its all EZTV fault :)))))

        on tpb and every other public torrent at the end of tv torrents there is the name eztv and on sites like tpb people always says eztv has the best releases and if people knew that eztv just upload torrents they wouldn’t complain about them directly to eztv, and when people give advices and complains about the rips on comments ? when they know that the uploader is the person who made the rip
        all i said was that that i think eztv must let people know where it gets its torrents and don’t be like all this people who post things they found as there own

        oh and arrogance? does eztv says that it gets it torrents from the scene? would people nag if the knew eztv can’t do anything about the fact that the change of quality of the files? would it even be an article on here if they didn’t nag about it?
        all i am doing is making fun of a fact i notice

        eztv not saying that they don’t make the rips themselves -> people complaining so much to them that TF made an article about it
        and notice the name i us “yea its all EZTV fault :)))))”, all the people went to complain to eztv about it like its there fault but eztv actually have nothing to do with it and people on pt knows that

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          EZTV makes it very clear that they have nothing to do with the ripping, several places on their site. The providence of the rips are traced as far as possible, through the names of the torrents.

          EZTV does have excellent torrents, in that they’re big and well seeded. They also have excellent rips, and some credit for this. They choose which rips to list, and they have been choosing well.

          What they’re being criticized for now, is that exact choosing: XviD releases still exist, but EZTV chooses to not list them. For this, the entire responsibility is on EZTV.

          If XviD releases didn’t exist, it would be a different matter. Then the agents of the Scene would be the ones who made the choice, and therefore are responsible.

  • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

    I hoped to get through with the current seasons of my fav. TV shows in Xvid/AVI, would have switched to 720p/x264/MKV after that any way.

  • PRIVACY is priceless to me

    They’re right, avi sucks and divx suck even more, it’s now time to get rid of it.

  • Gargamel

    Well its about time ‘The Scene’ got their shit together and pulled their asses out of the mid 90′s.

    Christ they only started encoding in FLAC this year to and had to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the mp3 era.

  • Brrr

    I welcome the change. I’ve been specifically seeking out .mp4s for quite a while. When I do get an .avi/xvid or an mkv, the first thing I do is convert it to an mp4. And, yeah, I do that so I can use it in iTunes.

    It’s easy to deride people who use “iStuff”, but having a central library that automatically streams to all of your devices is a godsend. No more discs or cards, no copying or transferring to other devices. My home computer, my laptop, my tablet, my phone, and my TV all play the same file, and it remembers where I left off even when I start playing it on a different device.

  • Jo

    i love it, but then i’m one of the sane people who built an HTPC rather than buying some half assed DVD/BD player with streaming.

  • leog

    Now someone please get a hold of the Chinese encoders and tell them that key frame interval of 30 is 15 years backwards.

  • Shen

    Normally the quality of a xvid tv release is 640×350 size 350MB but mkv/mp4 formats has better quality 720×480 avarage size 120MB so i think it is better to upgrade to this new formats, it saves bandwidth,diskspace,it has better quality too !!!!

  • Anonymous

    Somehow I have a feeling they will get over it.
    Gone-Anon.at.tc

  • Tracker

    The best way to fight this is simply not downloading x264 or MKV files and download the Xvid version on site that make them available.

  • slowpoke

    HOLY SHIT GUYS, DID YOU HEAR? THERE’S A NEW AWESOME CODEC THAT INCREASES QUALITY WHILE LOWERING FILESIZE THAT’S NOW AVAILABLE! IT’S CALLED XVID! I THINK WE SHOULD ALL SWITCH TO IT!

    ALSO, THERE’S A BETTER WAY TO TRANSFER FILES NOW! IT’S CALLED TORRENTING! I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO START USING THIS METHOD OF TRANSFERRING FILES NOW!

  • Losers

    TV Rip groups like those listed are not REAL SCENE groups…. just losers who couldnt make it in the scene or have no skillz…. i can record tvshows and call myself a scene group…. those groups mean NOTHING to the scene and their rules dont apply sorry losers

    • Anonsy_staymad

      You are so fucking stupid it’s unbelievable. Stick to p2p kid. Those groups are in the real scene you fucking moron. You are not on topsites, therefore you are not in the scene dumb cunt.

  • Losers

    TV Rip groups like those listed are not REAL SCENE groups…. just losers who couldnt make it in the scene or have no skillz…. i can record tvshows and call myself a scene group…. those groups mean NOTHING to the scene and their rules dont apply sorry losers

    • Anonymous

      You must be from 2HD. :)

  • Jonathan

    I won’t download x264. There’s many torrent sites with the Xvid version. Too bad EZTV was good site but there are many others.

    • Anyone

      good luck
      at least until the scene actually stops doing xvid

      I give it about a year

  • Tom Drake

    The change in itself hasn’t annoyed me as much as doing it halfway through a season has.

    You can’t fight progress but a little logic should have been applied to it. I’ve already left the HDTV scene behind for the most part and now download the WEB-DL format, which is much better without station logos or “next on” advertising.

    They should have allowed a show to finish it’s season before changing the format, as that just seems more logical to me. Anything that I was d/l’ing in HDTV is being filled by FQM so cheers to them for that…

    • Anyone

      there still are XVID releases for now.
      they might just be a bit slower than x264 since there is less of a race

  • Dings

    puahahahhahahahah

  • John Silver

    People should just get with the times.
    Sure, you had whiners too when Xvid became popular 10-12 years ago, and everyone that was using a DVD player to watch shows and movies kept whining they should keep releasing in VCD and SVCD format or else they couldn’t watch them.

    So your xvid-dvd player from 2004 doesn’t play H.264, so what ? This change is a long overdue kick in the butt that some people need to make them realise things change, and that they need to change too. Resistance to change is a wellknown characteristic of immatures and autisticsm, it’s not a good thing.

    I also don’t get the comments from people that say they have to hook up a laptop to their TV, that’s also 10 year old technology. Nowadays you can just buy a $50 media player box (or use a bluray or dvdplayer with builtin media player, even better a TV with a builtin media player like all Samsung TVs), connect it to your network and you can watch everything. Burning disks, copying files to USB, all obsolete.

  • Jayekko

    Off topic: where the fu@k can I get virus free torrents from? I went from torrents to rapidshare to hotfile to fileserve but now I have to go back to torrents? Damn….. Any advice will be muuuuuch appreciated! Thanks

    • Anyone

      TPB
      just read the comments, popular torrents are usually virus-free since the ones with a viurs are deleted

  • Yapoo

    what the fuck – they’re getting shit for free and they’re complaining? Fuck them – just stop ripping movies/tv shows for these ingrates.

  • http://facthai.wordpress.com/ unblocktheplanet

    Absolutely. I have no preference whatever against MP4 or MKV. HOWEVER, we then need to know the best standalone player to play these files. Does the Pioneer MediaTek chip, for instance, play both?

  • Anonymous

    Dey took our jerbs!

  • Robertesimmons

    X264 is an overall better codec and plays on all modern devices. Only some asshat with a 50dollar 10 year old DVD player would whine about this.

  • DedTV

    If your problem is with the codec, that’s too damned bad. If you don’t like change, get yourself a betamax player and watch Porky’s on your 19″ Zenith for the rest of your life. Or, you could move into this century, ditch the spools of DVDs and get one of the stand alone media players that can play x264 off USB flash drives and such.
    If the scene didn’t change we’d still be pulling down 750mb VCDs for SD shows.

    If the container is an issue for some reason, you can easily switch containers in about 30 seconds without the need to reencode with FFMPEG.
    ffmpeg -i C:filename.mp4 -vcodec copy -acodec copy C:filename.avi

  • Asdadadas

    all I can say is:
    XMEDIA RECODE
    http://www.videohelp.com/tools/XMedia-Recode

  • http://www.facebook.com/nicholas.matkovic Nicholas Matkovic

    i don’t like how the want the files to be packaged as .rar files…. this will lead to heaps of spam… they tried it with movies once and they were always password protected or just rar files inside one another

  • Kole_94

    Stay mad faggots hahaha

  • McBillington

    It’s pretty insane that the anime scene, out of all things, is the most advanced when it comes to codecs.

  • Anon

    Anyone complaining about this can simply be summed up as being a cheap, lazy, ungrateful piece of shit.

    Oh, you’re going to boycott leeching content for free? Man, you’re such a threat. Keep in mind that the scene groups don’t need you, you need them. Fucking crybabies.

  • Aaaaaa

    Personally i do prefer the avi format, especially since mp4 and mkv lags the shit on xbox which i use for movies on the TV.

  • Guest

    I don’t care whether files are released as AVI or MP4. At least they aren’t releasing them in the horrible VOB format. 4 GB of VOB files contains about 2 hours of video. There is simply no good reason to upload VOBs when AVI or MP4 formats can hold the video in decent quality at a much smaller file size.

    I also don’t understand why the release groups bother to release 720P versions. It seems pointless as the quality of SD releases is good enough. HD is just a waste of disk space.

  • Guest

    I don’t care whether files are released as AVI or MP4. At least they aren’t releasing them in the horrible VOB format. 4 GB of VOB files contains about 2 hours of video. There is simply no good reason to upload VOBs when AVI or MP4 formats can hold the video in decent quality at a much smaller file size.

    I also don’t understand why the release groups bother to release 720P versions. It seems pointless as the quality of SD releases is good enough. HD is just a waste of disk space.

    • Nagromh

      You obviously don’t have a tv that’s over 32 inches.

    • Joker

      Yeah right cave man, HD is a waste of disk space. Perhaps its time to upgrade that 1gb hard disk gifted by your grandpa.

  • Nothing

    First of all. people need to read up on container formats. Saying you want AVIs back makes no sense, since everything can be an AVI.

    Also, H.264 is obviously the much better choice than XViD. Lots of mobile phones and players out there with dedicated FPGAs for H.264 decoding.
    Also of course the most excellent H.264 encoder there is, the free software library x264.

  • Woto

    This is just sad, it’s time people stopped watching on their shitty old Pentium 3′s, their crap ass little WD media station and and start watching on a computer that is less than 7 years old. For those who can’t into simple codecs go download the Combined Community Codec Pack, it’ll save you a lot of hassle in about 5 years when they finally consider Hi10P x264 encoding

    • anon anonymous

      my “crap ass” wdtv live plays everything I throw at it, and always has. You’re clueless.

  • Berysax

    This is hilarious. I’ve done mkv forever. Thanks PS3 and showtime.

  • Michael

    You’re getting something for free, then you need to convert it to AVI and you call it third world? Fucking entitled assholes.

  • Luckyd2039

    I don’t know who is more pathetic, the people whining about the change or the people defending the change.

    • Anonymous

      Or your mother.

      • Luckyd2039

        You might be the sorriest of them all. My momma might be whore, but she still won’t give your sorry ass the time of day.

        You are probably one of those losers that marry their pillows.

        • Anonymous

          Could you provide me with information on states or countries where it is legal to marry a pillow? I’ve very interested to hear anything you know on the subject. ^_^

    • Anonymous

      She’s a whore btw. ^_^

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angri-Fellow/100003086139190 Angri Fellow

    While the comments are clearly moronic, the idea that indexing sites are not servicing customers when users download is also also moronic. These sites make money via advertising and if their “customers” find a better/more convenient indexer they will lose revenue. While this particular issue might not be something indexers could fix, they should not see downloaders as anything other than their very important customers.

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  • John

    for a start: everybody is arguing about mkv or 264 or avi or divx….it’s free stuff for christ sake!!!
    everyone is talking about the big label companies because they want to keep their old business model,etc…they need to adapt to today’s demand,etc,etc…
    And what do some of us do????the exact same thing!!! Listen guys:EVOLUTION!!
    Just take what is given to you ( for free…!!!).You don’t have the right stuff to read these files? upgrade or convert!!! simple as that!
    I used to convert ALL my stuff for years to be able to play them on my outdated dvd players…FOR YEARS ( that was a pain but I did it because it was nobody’s fault but MINE for not having the right equipment…simple ).
    now my players can read all comon files around from dvix to mp4 mkv x264etc…so no more pain in the back side: so no ARGUMENTS.
    You don’t want to complain….: get the proper equipment needed to read those kinds of files.And for god’s sake stop moaning when you get everything for free…INGRATES!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/billyup Jesse Jones

      Some sense in an otherwise senseless world. Thank you for that.

  • Seraph

    Here’s the thing – a lot of those torrent sites run based on ad revenue from page clicks. If people are threatening to go elsewhere for their torrents, even if the sites are not at fault, it will still hurt the sites.

  • None

    @Christopher Kidwell – you really missed the point of this entire post, didn’t you? Fuck off with your false sense of entitlement you prick.

  • Justme

    Speaking as a somewhat abnormal person for a moment.
    I prefer the video quality of the 350Mb Xvid to the others.
    I see fluorescent lights flicker like strobes, and the 720*, 1080* etc stuff is just as bad.
    24Fps theater viewings are impossible for me, 3D is just a barf bag waiting.
    The softer picture from XVID means less flicker on my screen, recently went to a used LCD after my old TV died, really don’t like the new stuff (264) since it flickers so much, can’t afford new TV since I am out of work.

    In my own opinion the whole movement to drop XVID is silly.
    It is captured in some ridiculously high res and down converted via scripts anyway, So why not just add the new and leave the old alone for those who just want good enough, or compatible with what they have..
    Change for change sake alone is not progress.
    Unless the release groups are actually working for the hardware manufacturers to increase sales, which is silly.

    As for rar’s, please keep including them.
    Perhaps include a par2 file in the rar as a sanity check.
    Added to torrents it could expose fakes.

  • Anonymous

    If its MP4, its ok. If its .mkv, theres no play as very few devices, including PS3, dont support mkv.

  • Anonymous

    I love the guy who thinks converting to avi is 3rd world. More importantly, that he complains it won’t work on his DVD PLAYER. Any cheap streaming device should be able to stream those file types over the network. X264 is worlds better quality than xvid.

  • John

    I won’t download x264. There’s many torrent sites with the Xvid version. EZ was good site but there are many others with all the torrents including the Xvid version.

  • Anonymous

    a lot of players don’t play well with multi-channel audio through mp4… mkv is where it’s at.

    -tony sock

  • Abc

    is there a way to fix or play to broken mp4′s

  • Ian

    I think they should use the most efficient codec available that is reasonably available and widespread. If people want something else, they can transcode it. H.264 is the best codec to fit these requirements. Hell, I wouldn’t complain even if they started using the VP8 (WebM) codec, as it’s more efficient, yet.

  • http://twitter.com/marduk191 marduk191

    Almost all modern settop devices will play mp4. Those are just screaming 12 year olds on piratebay. It doesn’t take a monster machine to rewrap it into mkv containers in a minute or two either. Kids are going to have to get used to it. Anything built in the last 10 years can convert to xvid in a couple of minutes anyway…if you refuse to keep up with the rest of the world.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      “Anything built in the last 10 years can convert to xvid in a couple of minutes anyway.”

      Right… Do you know a single f*cking thing about this topic?

  • William C Bonner

    Is there a separate document related to HD releases? I just spent the time reading this one, and both formats seemed to be in here, at least HDTV that was converted to 720p.

    The two things I was most interested were the specification that things should be released in uncompressed RAR format, and that audio should not be in AAC but should be converted to 2 channel stereo.

    I’ve enjoyed watching shows in the past that were HD, but primarily because they included 5.1 channel sound. I am always disappointed with the increase in file size and download time if the sound is only stereo.

    I have been playing with a few things in MKV format recently, but am still frustrated by the container. Samsung disk players seem to be able to read the format, but my home server won’t show the mkv media on the DLNA server since it doesn’t know how to render the files.

  • SmilingAhab

    I always thought .h264 was only for hi-def. I guess that’s the only place I’ve seen it, but if it scales down as well, then that makes sense. I kinda don’t understand the stereo choice, but my 5.1 buds can wait. Also can’t play MP4s on my smartphone.

    In the meantime, anyone interested in retaining the old AVI format can use Any Video Converter which is a not-too-bad ffmpeg-based converter. Does a good job, but it take a loooooong time to convert when input or output framerates are nonstandard.

  • B6510963

    They should not be bitching because they are putting NO EFFORT into the means of production. If they want, they can do shitty transcodes to any format or resolution they choose very easily with free software. Or they could start up their own release group and start releasing in their favored format. The scene is democratic in that way.

  • https://twitter.com/misterjayem MrJM

    This compression will not stand!

  • Anonymous
  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/QT5P6FPZLHUB2ZHLJM3QU6VTJA LOBO 4 LIFE

    Thanks for the article Enigmax… 8 years ago when we were searching all over the old newsgroup sites ( the original P2P) we were excited to share new Video stuff or Music or Games.. It was tough going and there were not all the torrent sites you find today.. We relied on a few trusted Uploaders and the comments of users..Formats changed regularly. The Evolution of Bit Torrent sites and the massive Legal battles along the way have been Epic… Governments in almost every Country now seem to want to jump in and legislate control over these web sites…. Without knowing the history of where we have been has led to a sense of Entitlement with some new users… However… The Price is Right … You just can’t beat Free….. Long Live P2P Sharing…..

  • Anonymous

    Anyone else get the feeling that Erik is super butthurt?

  • Kideternity

    Thank god! Hallelujah! Finally a format that can play on dozens of devices without converting! An open, industry standard format that plays on mobile, stream, and computer alike. DVD is dead and to whine and moan about a lame Windoze format JUST for the ability to burn it to a dead format is ridiculous!

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  • Anonymous

    This is the dumbest complaint I’ve ever seen. Especially because these complainers aren’t paying for anything.

  • Jess

    I don’t download the x264 version only the xvid version.

    • Anonymous

      Then by the spring tv season I suspect you’ll be downloading exactly nothing. :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MANXKEIA4ZADHNNEN2MQBN4FTU King

    swgs

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MANXKEIA4ZADHNNEN2MQBN4FTU King

    Well, Iam glad that xvid/avi is gone. Personally I don’t like them because the quality of the video and audio is not satisfactory. mkv and mp4 are always good.

  • John

    x264 is another fad like the MKV crap. The XVID are not gone (beside on the EZ tv site). I always download XVID torrent version from other sites now.

    • Anonymous

      *sigh*

  • John

    http://thepiratebay.com for one always got the Xvid version too.

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  • http://twitter.com/mikecane Mike Cane

    I noticed the change before the formal announcement and wondered if it was due to the lockers being shut down.

    My current crap PC can’t play these files. The hardware is too weak. But I’m grateful for their releases and realize the future has to begin without me right now.

    TV Sharing Dumps AVI For x264
    http://mikecanex.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/tv-sharing-dumps-avi-for-x264/

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  • Anonymous

    I’m not part of the Scene, and never will be. That being said, people who bitch about something that’s free just might deserve SOPA.

  • somebody else

    I’ve seen the nfo from someone that releases fansubbed stuff in MKV only that is a total @##. He says he finds codecs that won’t work in things like Media Player Classic (usually distributed with klmcodecs) to try and force people to use VideoLan Client (VLC).

    I have hardware I play stuff on that won’t do MKV of any sort.
    The video conversion software I have and can afford, often has trouble converting mkv when they have subtitles or multiple audio tracks.
    MP4 isn’t as bad, but it’s not much more convenient for me, as I usually still have to convert, even to put it on my wifes phone that can run mp4 videos.
    As to the AVI files, they always worked, except with my wifes phone. (She never watches them on her phone, so I don’t know why she occasionally wants one on there.)

  • Ya ok

    Whaaaaaaaa my 8 track player won’t play 3d blue-rays …hahah what the hell

  • Imsorrybutidonthavesuchathing

    haha! that was really funny! :) especially the ALL CAPS GUY. lol indeed! XD

  • Anonymous

    Go away, x264 is much better than XviD.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RC4YVUSHHE5EGPRYT6XXUA54AY Clint Brothers

    VP8 is where it should all go because that’s the best codec and it’s drm free. Open Source is the future and html5 so google bought on2 and the VP8 codec (better than h.264) and Open Sourced it. What more could you want, why ever use anything else because Open Source is available to every one in the universe free of charge no matter what kind of computer/device/gadget/OS you use! Just like Google did Android (took Linux and made it for the masses) they will do with VP8 video.

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  • Taradonald

    HOW DO YOU CONVERT A MKV FILE TO WORK ON A XBOX OR PS3??
    THANKS TARA

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TMJ66JH4SIZIQ46DJIQCC6TCYI Alfred

      Find and use an app called MKV2VOB.

  • None

    Th thing I hate about this is switching formats mid-season. I have several xvid shows downloaded that I will most likely have to complete as x264. That bugs me :-/

  • Anonss

    I’m still amazed by the shear amount of morons who haven’t a clue about piracy. And think that LOL, DIMENSION etc release on torrent sites. These are SCENE groups, they have NOTHING to do with torrents, infact these scene groups actively hate p2p.

    So bitching and whining and saying you’re going to boycott a public torrent site will fuck all impact on the scene rules. The scene doesn’t release for the public. Those scene releases get leaked onto p2p.

    Fuck off p2p kiddies.

  • http://twitter.com/boldintrepid Nathan Cho

    Wow… MP4 and x264 has so much more quality than AVI. It is able to offer HD at a smaller size than AVI can. YiFy is a great example

  • Jackass4u

    I don’t think anybody mention this but mp4 is so much smaller than avi. I just downloaded mp4 cleveland show at 65mb, while the avi was 175. Real Time at 200mb vs 500 for the avi version. Why the hell would anybody want to download a larger file if they didn’t have to?

  • Anonymous

    x264 is a bullsh!t mac codec these guys are just trying to make things difficult for anyone not on mac…hah ha ha (sit back and watch the responses) but in all seriousness xvid accomodates everyone where as h264 does not. If the people doing the encoding dont feel like doing it in xvid…find your files somewhere else. You cant expect these people, who are doing this for free to simply respond to your wishes. You need to understand that they simply DO NOT CARE. There will be other who will still publish in xvid and you can get it from them, and then when those people who are using mp4 with h264 say things like “we are responsible for most of the tv files you guys watch” you can turn around and say “uh no you arent, the only ones downloading the content you put out…is you”
    Personally I myself prefer mkv and download as little h264 as I can (the whole mac comment about was just a joke if you havent figured it out). Although the number of non english films I watch is only about 35 % I still prefer the sub in mkv plus I find the video and audio is better. I havent had to download an mp4 with h264 in a while, as most is still in xvid-avi and more and more is being done in mkv, so for me this isnt an issue. For those of you complaining remember this, yo get this free and while I do agree with you that this is probably bulls!t laziness (and I am looking at you too lazy ass handbrake developers for dropping the avi file format) if you dont like it…there are plenty of other places for you to get your shows

  • Votum76

    x264 is a no brainer for video encoding, xvid is seriously crappy compared to H.264 as for the container, it makes no difference to me, though I do prefer the ease of use with mkv but, I play both regularly on my media player, time to upgrade your media players you can get something that supports H.264

  • Bees3200

    Mac Fanboi culture is what sucks because it leads to the misguided subversion that those who create these releases tragically $$buy$$ into.

    These Mac Fanbois will be the end of the free internets and Job$ is ROFL in HELL.

  • Bovski

    I think MP4 was an inspired choice HD comes in MKV it gives people a choice of containers XViD & AVI have had their day as have DVD Players. H264 is the current standard people accept it Blu-Ray, DVB-T2, DVB-S2,Vimeo, YouTube, Adobe Flash Player, Microsoft Silverlight, Quicktime …

  • Chris

    X264 ftw, I get upset when I see xvid because I know that I can get better quality for the same size. I also can’t play xvid on my iPod, x264 will play.

    As for DVD players, who cares, it’s the digital age, watch it on computer or ps3

  • Zypher69

    I don’t see what everyone is freaking out about. Didn’t we all know that someday the .avi format would become old hats and make way for another format such as MP4? I certainly did. I mean – it’s MP3 and .AVI today but now the time has come to consider the “new” formats, whatever they will be. I’m not worried. If it’s MP4, then it’s MP4 and it’ll dominate for a while and then it’ll be some other format in a few years.

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  • Gest

    First world problems…

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  • Aarend

    My only problem is not being able to play it in WMP12 even with ffdshow installed. It keeps making blocks. VLC works great but i prefer WMP12 as it organizes my network library.

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  • http://twitter.com/TPBGirl TPBGirl

    Well if somebody wants to buy me a DVR that can read mp4′s or mkv’s off a DVD- or +, then I am all for it. Until then, AVIs only for me! :P

    Some people actually have to work for a living and pay bills. Not all of us can afford new toys because of a format change by nit picky people.

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  • NiggersSuck

    if the type of video file matters to you,YOU’RE A FUCKING RETARD.It’s even funnier that these “pirates” care if people don’t dl their stuff.stupid niggers

  • Marty

    The Xvid version is still available for all TV shows. Only the EZ tv site is hiding them from us. Piratebay still got the Xvid version. I don’t download x264 since I can’t play them on my DVD player. When it will, I will download x264 but not until then.

  • Chris Johnston

    I’m quite happy with MP4, since it’s the only type of file (other than MOV) that I can open in Quicktime Player and go frame-by-frame both forward AND backward!
    I love to study stunts and pyrotechnics, so I’m ALWAYS making heavy use of the Step button. I’ve always been annoyed by how DVD players can only Step forward, while all the higher-end VHS players back in the day let you go forward and backward.
    And while MKV does deliver the highest image quality I’ve seen, just try the Step (E) button in VLC Player — it goes a bit nuts.

  • Concur

    Anyway, get ready for H265 ^^ HAHAHA

  • MonGateau

    You said: “First off, these release groups aren’t deliberately releasing TV shows to please the masses. They do it for their own entertainment”.
    Well, I don’t think so,maybe I’m wrong but I think they are satisfied when people download their releases, and that’s their payment.
    If people boycott x264 massively they get back to xvid

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597254525 George Panagopoulos

    now that is stupid!!!
    oh i am not talking about the decision for mp4 but for us!
    this thing is free! they do all the hard work! they clear the video from any commercials! they work for us to have the episodes as fast as they can! but no ! we have to bitch out for their decision to move on a better format(mp4 right now is damn fine ) cause we are lazy to learn how to read these files!!
    20 years ago i had to wait 3 weeks to watch 6 episodes of something cause a friend of mine was sending vhs tapes from america to greece!
    seriously guys?
    peace out

  • wingedearth

    Who cares what is compatible with a DVD player? Why not just connect your computer to your TV with a VGA or HDMI cable? DVD players are so obsolete they’re almost steampunk.

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  • bigdaddyp33

    I use my xbox which is connected to my network, mp4 doesn’t show. so i got a converter mp4 to avi takes about ten minutes per show and then watch through xbox, i know there is another way but haven’t had time to research it. don’t care what format just want to see my shows. ps love the eztv site.

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  • Billco

    I love the total lack of synaptic activity in the criticisms. Xvid is an *archaic* format. It was kind of shit back in the DVD days 14 years ago, but at the time that was the state of the art. It took several years for any standalone devices to support it, and quite poorly at that.

    Then, oh I dunno, 4-5 years ago, everyone and their mother started releasing $99 set-top boxes that played just about any 720p or 1080p video you could fit on a USB stick or hard disk. The other half of the equation is that x264 is significantly easier to encode, thanks to CUDA accelerated encoders. On my machine, even with a 3 year old GPU I can encode at over 350 fps, more than twice as fast as the software encoder on my 8 core PC. Most guys only have 4 cores so double it again! This cuts down significantly on ripping time, which means those rippers can handle more releases and miss less shows – or, god forbid, have a life. Then don’t forget the smaller files, so they transfer quicker, you can hoard more of them, and the seeds are likely to stay a little longer. It’s a win-win for everyone.

    You’re getting shit for free, at the very least have the decency to keep up with the hardware side of things, especially when it’s so ridiculously affordable these days. You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t give a flying fuck about people still burning TV shows to dollar-store DVD-R discs, for playback on their 10 year old analog DivX player, when you can buy a 1TB USB hard drive for about $80. If you wanna play with high tech, you gotta keep up with the Joneses at least a little bit.

  • Guest_Poland

    it’s a good thing to change to h.264. for few years I was wondering why they are still using Xvid. if a 20 minute file in sd is now 125 megs not 175 what’s not to like? those people who write complains are idiots. you can expect to use 10yr old dvd player forever. you can’t address complain to those, who publish stuff for free. if you go to store and buy (yes “buy” – new word for some of you) legit dvd it will play :) mkv is most advanced, but not very common. mp4 is the right choice. btw. you can buy set top box for dvb-t with usb media player with mp4 mkv avi and vob. it costs 20-30 pounds. it’s time to upgrade you old timers. again, you can’t complain on free stuff. buy legit then do that.

  • Boggieman

    MP4 is like the MKV crap it will die do to lack of backward compatibility and quality in general. As long as Xvids are also available for download, I don’t have problems with them adding mp4 for ipod and such. It’s easy to search for the Xvid version on piratebay and such torrent sites.

  • NigelTB

    I don’t have any problem with switching formats. According to the articles, I “should” be able to play these files fine on my XBox 360. The problem is that I have not been able to. I got two files from eztv, put them on my flashdrive, stuck them in my XBox 360… only to get error codes when I try to play them.

    I don’t think of myself as an idiot… I’m moderately tech savvy. But I’ve been going round and around trying to figure out what the problem is.

    I can play the files fine on my computer… but not in my 360 (which is attached to my TV… where I “want” to watch the files).

    If anyone has any suggestions other than “convert the files” or “buy a new DVD player” I’d really like to know, as I’d like to know what I am doing wrong.

  • Jonathan

    At first, I was worried about the new format but I just bought myself a new DVD player (BD620C) which can play x264 (h264) and it works (I just verified one x264 file yet and it worked). Before that I had the Philips and an old LG divx player which couldn’t read this x264/mp4 file format.

  • Itachinsdap

    you know what let them be mad i mean is 2012 i only download HD releases u must be dumb to download/watch a ”brrip xvid” movie/tv show when there is a 1080p+DTS version avaible xD

    • Doom

      u are the dumb one for not realizing that most of the world doesn’t have new hardware to play full hd videos or the money to buy new hardware. it’s about providing a service to the masses, not a select few

  • Jonathan

    You’re the one which is dumb. Not all people got the same TV setup as you. I understand people who have no money for another DVD player and are stuck with a model that only plays Xvid not x264. The new format is just unplayable for them. Personally, I don’t download HD format because I like to keep the files and HD format is too big to keep without keeping millions of DVD-R. I just bought a BD620C (low cost) and it plays the x264 files, before that I had a philips and a LG which did play xvid but not x264.

  • Kakka

    Where is Daiz when you need him?

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  • Ummonus

    XBOX with Tversity does not stream the x264 format. Can anyone point me to some help on getting this to work?

  • fools.

    Gotta love TorrentFreak, public site posting about scene activities/scene release specs. Followed by p2p’rs chiming in not knowing a thing that they are talking about. Do these people ever read the .nfo’s? You know, those comments like fuck p2p, keep off of p2p etc..? Where theres money to be made scene releases will leak, either by corrupt siteops or insecure user, looking for ‘fame’ or $ from the p2p community. Also it’s great to see the exact types moaning in the article is replicated by the idiots in the comments.

    Oh and yea, fuck p2p.

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  • Attrapp

    Just to clarify, .mkv and .mp4 are containers, not formats. Its all x264.

  • Anonymous

    Guys, there is no need to bicker and sweat about relatively a small thing. As long as file sharing is there, we will still all be satisfied and happy. We will all get by as we go along. If the SCENE wants to adopt MP4 via x264 then that’s fine. You may not have noticed this but the SCENE has guided you all in the past as well as it adopted its own sets of standards since time immemorial. It’s normal that some people would get bothered by change but eventually they all come along and embrace it as they can’t do anything about it. You just can’t influence the SCENE from the outside, you’ll have to get in there first and it’s not easy to be vetted and be recognized. That’s why the SCENE always demands respect from among its members – because they know how much they can influence the entire “pirate community”.

    Think ahead. This is not so bad after all. This is good. We still have something to share and watch. Now, this thing that’s happening with Megaupload and Filesonic – that’s bad even though that’s a different story. It is still BAD.

  • RegularGuy

    The scene got us by the throat. LOL

  • Conrad Mazian

    What they should have done was move to WebM. It will end up killing MP4/x264 in the long run.

  • Doom

    Unfortunately my pc can’t play these files properly. I have a 2,4 ghz processor and 256 mb ram. The files keep blacking out at certain frames with these small releases. km player is useless now for me. So is vlc. My only hope now is bsplayer.

    I don’t understand why they would do that. I understand that this is free and that they are doing it for fun but when you think about it we are the consumers. They are releasing for us, the more people the better. So if a big number of people can’t play the files anymore what is the point? The majority of downloads is done in eastern europe and russia. People here don’t have the money to buy the latest hardware for smooth playback. Sure the picture is sharp, but blackouts from time to time and not so smooth playback on these small files.

    If you look on private trackers that offer both the 350 mb files for tv shows, and the 250 ones, you will see that 70% of the people download the 350 ones. Even if they could download the smaller ones and save up some ratio

    • Justin Smith

      Scene doesn’t release for you, unless you’re also a scener who rips files and uploads them to topsites and pres them on IRC. If you’re getting your files from a more public P2P network (ANY torrent site, FXP, RetroShare, DC, etc) you are their enemy. They don’t want you downloading files that they release, and if it were up to them they would create DRM as restrictive as the content industry to PREVENT you from downloading and using their files.

      In a sceners wet dream TPB has been shut down and draconian censorship laws have been implemented to stop people from sharing files over P2P. Just sayin’.

  • Taiofmine

    I was wondering why I was seeing so many more MP4′s. I was massively confused. Oh well. That’s why there’s file converting software.

  • Jonathan

    I know people with Xbox got problem with the new format. My dvd players couldn’t play the new format either. I just bought a LG BD620 (about BD630 in the USA) and it plays x264 files perfectly. Before that I had a LG and a Philips (with a USB) that played Xvid fine but couldn’t play x264. But now my low cost, LG BD620 is playing xvids, divx (from 3.xx to current), avi, mkv and x264 (H.264) perfectly. Check LG website in your region before buying a model to assure yourself that it support xvid, divx and H.264 (which equals x264/mp4). I’m sure other manufacturer offer similar compatibility like Philips.

  • darren

    This is hilarious… I convert videos 24/7 and am no stranger to the annoyance but MP4 is not difficult to convert. AVI is extremely outdated and is known for horrible quality. Why can’t people just go download Handbrake or quicktime 7 pro? or just go buy the media they want to watch?

  • http://nsanedown.com nsane

    Just bought an “IncrediSonic Ultra Play IMP150″ for watching videos on my TV and it works great. It’s $38.95 right now on amazon.com. So quit your bitching, people.

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006FNCWSY/

  • Typhoid Mary

    I’m in the same or worse boat as all the other whiners crying for the good old avi files of days
    past. Hell, I’m still using an original Xbox with XBMC!

    The difference between me and those whiners is that I am going to USE ALL THE MONEY I SAVED
    DOWNLOADING AND UPGRADE FROM THE STONE AGE TO THE YEAR 2012.

    Some people just want EVERYTHING for free…

    • Ironicbob

      Who doesn’t? LOL

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  • http://twitter.com/bigwallace David Wallace

    XViD is a failure. It’s fate was sealed the moment it failed the transition to HD. I have one set of 1080p BDRips that are XViD and I hate them! CPU intensive crap and I don’t think aging DVD players can even handle 1080p XViD. Furthermore, x264 STBs exist for less than 100$ now for those who use their DVD players. The scene that united the nightmare of formats that used to exist is once again ushering us into the future in a united front. Evolve or die, don’t fight progress.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      There’s something severely wrong with your set up, if XviD is more CPU intensive than x264, in any resolution. Less decoding means less CPU use, and XviD is less compressed. It’s an inescapable fact. Your system may start unnecessary processes along with the player you use for XviD, you may be using a crappy player for XviD, the player may be improperly configured. The only thing I can say for sure, is that something’s wrong on your system.

  • Spcstrick

    beggers can’t be choosers getting the shows for free why complain you have to download them using a computer watch them with the computer if you can’t or want to watch them with a dvd player well convert them to dvd and play them use vuze and pay for the full version you can convert to dvd with that bittorrent

  • TeQuiLa-Addict

    who’s complaining ? its hi qualty and free >> I dont get why all of this fuss is about !!!

  • Me

    Just you wait until 10bit encodes become mandatory.

  • Wow…

    Those bitching about the move, the scene doesn’t do this shit for you. Boycott all you want, they don’t care. If it was up to them, you wouldn’t be downloading anything that they release at all. Either start releasing your own shit, or stop bitching. And no, they don’t get any money for any of this shit.

  • groucho

    fuck the council and this shitty idea, im sticking with xvid caps. scene rls or p2p rls idc

  • Snovvdog

    Bunch of whiners imho, I’ve not had any problems, both my telephone ( Samsung Galaxy s2) and my pc plays all formats fine. The eps take up less space and look great. SD tv’s ? This is 2012! You can get a 32” hdtv for 280 euros! DVD players ? Use a htpc (or any spare computer not from the stone age) with XBMC or so…

    The scene moves with the times, why don’t people ? You don’t play ps3 games on a ps2…

    I didn’t even notice until I saw my favorite eps being twice as small in filesize, then again I barely ever touch SD media, 1080p always or 720p for tv series when 1080p is not avaiable.

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  • Vieira Lisboa

    WDTV HD (gen1) plays these mp4 files out of sync.

  • ex mnt

    its about time. Above everything else is the size issue. A 75MB x264 mp4 cartoon looks better than a 175 MB xvid avi. The amount of room that is wasted by outdated xvid is ridiculous

    • Guest

      x264 definitely works better for maintaining picture quality at small file-sizes, but i personally wouldn’t touch anything less than 100mb in size, because from experience, anything that small has awful sounding audio. The smaller you make a file, the more you have to compromise with the video and audio. Your brain can fill in for parts of the video, but not the audio.

  • Anonymous

    this sort of like a dog that bites the hand that feeds them, and I’m not surprised, most pirates are of low income status and uneducated, why do you think they don’t buy any of the stuff, it’s cause they can’t afford it!

  • Ahwell

    My PS3 seems to 100% like mp4 format as opposed to 95% liking avi/xvid format (every once in a blue moon I get an AVI file the PS3 seems to crap out on.) I’ll admit I was a tad confused when I first downloaded it, thought I had grabbed the wrong file, but I’m cool with it. Funny part is even though mp4s are standard for ipods, my iPod classic is so dangblasted old I still have to convert them anyway to make ‘em work.

  • Nononon

    Shifting to a better format? One with better encoding, and smaller file size? FUCK THEM!!! FUCK XVID!!! I WANT WMV

  • Slav

    I don’t give a shit about new formats and their better quality. If you want a better quality buy a DVD. I want to play my files at any equipment I have and that’s only possible with common AVI / XVID formats.

    • Anonymous

      So convert to Xvid moron

  • http://twitter.com/odishon Frak Apple!

    Go MP4.. I don’t care.. MKV, MP4.. whatEVER.. give me my TV shows in glorious HD – 720p (or 1080) and I am happy. Works streaming and I fail to see why I’d burn a DVD just to see it.

    But OK – if people has problem, let them rave.. I just say.. “U mad bro?” How the *** can you complain if you are downloading copyright protected material? It’s like a thief complaining the stolen goods are defunct.

    Keep up the sharing, we are all caring and adapts whenever the formats change.

  • Logan

    Can anyone confirm that these new mp4 are even compatible with the iPad/iPhone/iPods??? I can’t get them work on my first gen iPad. What’s the point of encoding to x264 and using mp4 if they encode using a preset setting that’s incompatible???

    This is retarded!!! Please release them in a compatible mp4 format!

    • nx6

      They wont work on your iPad because they’re encoded in an h264 profile that’s HIGHER QUALITY THAN APPLE USES. First Gen iPad wont support h264 High profile, at least not in Apple’s playback app.

      And they aren’t encoding for your iPad, dumbass. They’re encoding for playback on PCs. The point of using x264 is it’s much higher quality than XviD. MP4 was chosen probably because it’s supported by more portable media players than MKV. Although I also think MKV would have been the better choice.

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  • Hello

    Too Lazy to Read Comments.
    - MP4 Not All Are SD
    - AVI Not Everyone Likes IT
    - MKV Average (Some Players Dont Support it)
    - OGG the best :D – Winner

    Ah One More thing Do NOT reply to this comment, just IGNORE it.

    - Anonymous AVI HATER

    • Guest

      I choose to ignore your ignore. Umad?

      The container you use doesn’t really make shit difference.
      The only thing that should matter is the codec used for the content.
      And in case you didn’t know, Matroska(MKV) can contain MP4, AVI or whatever other shit you may hate. Grab mkvmerge and have a look at your next MKV file and see what it uses, you might be surprised.
      And as for OGG, its basically the same as MKV, except the default formats for it are OGM and Vorbis. but if you want, you can easily jam whatever other formats in there.
      So people. Stop whining about the containers used and just pay attention to the codec used.
      And if MP4, AVI or whatever other format doesn’t work for you, just fucking convert it or find another copy.

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  • nx6

    In reply to the comment from the article:
    “LOL, why are all your new uploads MP4 format? How do we get hold of you? We need the AVI format back, really frustrating as most DVD players don’t play MP4 format which means we are back to converting format to AVI – how 3rd world LOL,”

    LOL@Playing AVIs on your DivX DVD player… now THAT’S Third World.

    Get a decent bluray player and it will play back h264/mp4, or use your PS3, or build a HTPC.

  • bob bobson

    I have both an ipad and a smart tv that plays mp4 through usb. Mp4 torrents save me so much conversion time.

  • Trev

    Can someone tell me what is the best Convert
    To Convert to avi thank you

    • Guest

      Grab Format Factory [http://www.formatoz.com/]. It can convert to many different container formats using whatever video/audio codec combination/s you like.

      All to MP4/3GP/MPG/AVI/WMV/FLV/SWF.
      All to MP3/WMA/AMR/OGG/AAC/WAV.
      All to JPG/BMP/PNG/TIF/ICO/GIF/TGA.
      Rip DVD to video file, Rip Music CD to audio file.

  • DarkRadience

    Really the move has been a blessing :) love the new formats we will take a mp4, mkv, or what ever any day of the week when it is a 1080p blu-ray rip and around 1.5 gigabytes and regular dvd rip down to under 500 megabytes, smaller downloads over all and better quality, torrent users, well real computer savvy ones are glad to see the progress and hard work :)

    • http://twitter.com/quietobserving Andrei Dascalu

      I guess you weren’t paying attention. This isn’t about BR/movie releases, it’s about TV release groups. MKV has been the standard for BR rips for a long time.

      Personally, I don’t give a damn about what a format can do. MKV and MP4 both have a lot of potential that just isn’t tapped by TV release groups, so as far as that goes, the whole discussion about the general MP4 vs XVID+MP3 is pointless. All I care about is what I receive.

      Although I love the idea of this move, that is definitely a move forward, what I don’t like is one simple fact:
      - all the LOL group releases (I get my TV series from LOL simply because no TV provider in my area carries the TV shows I like) in MP4 have poor sound quality. I’m talking about echoing sound and all sorts of noise especially with the high frequencies. Whatever their encoding tool, it’s not used right.

      I don’t have the issue with the old XVID releases but also it’s not present in other groups’ MP4/MKV releases either.

      • Guest

        Just for people who don’t know, MKV is a container format which can hold many other containers of video, audio and subtitle.
        People may whine that MKV is better than MP4, but in truth that MKV probably contains an MP4 anyway (Usually MP4+ACC+ASS). If it’s not MP4, its AVI or other formats. So please people, stop whining about the dammed containers and focus on the codec used. And actually, AVI is perfectly fine as a container, remember its the codecs that matter.

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  • White Witch

    Those in support of MP4 and MKV seem to miss the point… the quality is probably alot better in these formats BUT most people need to watch them on their computer or convert them in order to watch on their dvd players. There are a lot of dvd players on the market that play AVI but do not play other formats. That is why people are complaining about the change. Plus, when converting MP4 to AVI it is sometimes difficult to get full screen resolution for the dvd player. The only devices (apart from their computer) that most people have to play MP4 is their mobile phone and lets face it, alot of people do not want to have to watch a tiny picture when they have a big tv. Most freeware software is unable to change MP4 to AVI while keeping full screen resolution (especially for widescreen) because most of this software is geared up for making conversions for mobile phones.
    While file technology may have moved on in making MP4 and MKV king, people’s hardware and software converters has not moved with the pace. As such for the majority of people MP4 and MKV are useless formats for their needs.
    While people like LOL and LMAO may be taking after their acronyms in laughing at us for wanting to stick with AVI (for the now – if hardware changes in the future then people will be more willing to make the switch), the biggest laugh will be on ‘the scene’ because there will be fewer seeders and longer dl times.

    • White Witch

      oh and one last thing… this whole idea of ‘nuke’ and ‘the scene’ for controling what is uploaded is counter to the whole concept of piracy… it is no better than the movie studio attempts at curtailing copyright breach. The fact that the majority of file shares want to keep the avi format (especially as these switchs are being made mid-season) makes it very difficult to ‘nuke’ an avi uploader – rather it is more likely that the MP4 file will be the one ‘nuked’ with negative feedback and the avi uploader praised with positive feedback. I can’t believe that someone who is fighting against attempts at closing down torrents would use a different technique at closing down torrents. Talk about hypocrisy.

      • l33tp2p

        You have no idea what you’re talking about do you.
        Nukes within the scene have nothing to do with what you leech from public p2p sources.

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  • Ungreatful bitches

    People are stupid for ccomplaining about somthing thats free.
    thoes complaining sound like some naging dumb bitch.
    they don’t appreciate shit.

    • NinjaPirate

      And here you are COMPLAINING about people complaining about things.

      Kafkaesque… o_o

  • http://theoks.net/blog/ Darren

    AVI is a horrible thing. The file extension tells you nothing about the contents, it could be a H.264 stream, it could be an Xvid stream, it could be a WMV stream, it could be a Fraps stream.

    H.264 and AAC are a very very popular combination, and they’re what you expect from a .mp4 or .m4v. You look at those extensions and you know what’s in that file.

    Yes Xvid is great because there’s no patents, but x264 is just as good, if not better in technical respects, especially because it is the fastest H.264 encoder, period.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Straw/100002694451161 Jack Straw

    People who want XVID and AVI are geezers who need to get with the modern times. Forget ancient DVD players, hook your laptop / PC up to your HDTV like everyone else with half a brain.

    • White Witch

      Bit of a hassle taking my PC downstairs and setting it up on a tv so that the family can watch a film or tv series. My PC is built for gaming not as a dvd player. Laptops don’t come with the capacity to play high end games on full graphics.

  • Abunchofgibberish

    LOL @ folks who consume pirated content on set-top DVD players in 2012.

    • Jonathan

      LOL@folks who watch pirated content on their computers or through cable from computer to TV, while I watch my TV shows and movies like ordinary TV shows and movie sitting on the couch with my bluray/dvd players remote in my hand. Fast forwarding, rewinding, pausing, zooming, putting on subtitles, etc, normally.

      I also prefer to archive my medias on DVD-R, so I like to have a bluray player that plays them directly.

      Seriously, I wasn’t happy about the change until I bought a new low cost bluray player LG BD620C in my region(I think one of the new Philips bluray player is also playing these). For LG, it’s important to assure yourself on their website that the players model number you want to buy also plays H.264 (which means it plays x264) and DIVX (while you’re at it). You can read it in their user manual.

      Previously I had a LG and a Philips (with USB) players that only played Xvid/DIVX.

  • mindbomb

    h264 should actually be better in terms of compatibility paradoxically.

    It is easier and more efficient to just send the entire video bitstream to a dedicated h264 video decoder that everything nowadays has, from phones to 5 year old graphics cards, rather than do things in software, which is typical of xvid decoding.

    So, this little backlash is hilarious. Since you are essentially asking for something that is worse in every conceivable metric just so it can play on some crappy dvd player you bought, which was probably not a good investment anyway.

    • Jonathan

      Maybe it should be it isn’t. People watch TV shows on the TV not on iphone and h.264 (x264) still has a poor compatibility with TV devices (especially older players, xbox that played xvids). Still, I found myself a new bluray player that can handle both.

  • Anonymous

    Have problem with compatibility? DVD Player cannot play X264? Too dumb or too lazy to convert? Bla Bla Bla…

    ***If you cannot evolve yourselves then buy the retail DVD and enjoy dude.***

    The one who encoding video and making sub aka. “making the release” do a lot more work than you leechers.

    AVI = age 50+
    X264 = Teenager

    You choose..

  • Jonathan

    Both x264 and Xvids are still available. EZTV don’t always have the xvids but other sites such as piratebay and other torrents site have the xvid version too.

  • http://twitter.com/thedagger4 Paul Hood

    Hi all, brilliant comments and advice so many thanks from me Im learning a lot.

    Now can anyone please advise a bluray player that can play these new x264 mp4 movie files, my LG BD370 does not (it only plays H264 but most releases are becoming x264 now) and i want to buy a new one but dont know which one – any tips please

    Ta

    • Jonathan

      Could be interesting if people post Blu ray and DVD players that can play both Xvids and x264 files in here.

      My new low cost bluray LG 620c does play both Xvid and x264. I’m sure other brands like Philips does too. On the LG manual, x264 is written as H.264. I would guess a new LG model with H.264 support should play those x264 files (as other LG model probably use the same decoding ships).

      While ez tv often doesn’t have the Xvid version of TV shows, most other well known torrent sites does. I don’t know why ez tv doesn’t put both versions consistantly as other torrent sites does.

  • Derp_007

    Xvid crybabies.. go back to listening to your favorite abba album that’s stuck in your 8track player.. Xvid has sucked for awhile and i’m surprised its taken this long to realize the foolishness of its continued use. if can’t get your codecs to work properly on your computer maybe you should go back to suckin on your mom’s titty. you weee babies..

  • http://www.bbgamer.co.uk/ Ben

    If you want the XVID version, make it yourself. Download the MP4 and use a conversion tool.

  • xvid streamer

    this site still uses xvid on a daily basis http://www.dailyflix.net/divx.php

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Migue-Garcia/640246416 Migue Garcia

    usenet has grown , jess, just remembered that guy in Spain i used 2 give 100 usa for dumps then fxp to whatever, was naive , this is nice overdose,2 good

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Migue-Garcia/640246416 Migue Garcia

    what would be the hot sauce? broad in synch at real 100mbs? web dav to ftps?

  • http://twitter.com/forbannad Kinne

    2002 called and wanted to cheer the xvid proponents! I’ve been waiting for this since x264 became standard for hd. yesterday I watched the new FG episodes and compared it with the last one being xvid and the quality difference is REALLY noticeable on my 42″ plasma. And still the x264 episode was 65mb and the xvid 174. People wanting xvid to stay alive are like people denying the earth is round. Couldn’t care less what container being used, people should try to be at least a little 1337 and use GOOD software like xbmc or vlc that can handle everything, and stop using shitty 10 year old hardware. You already have a computer that can play it don’t you? Get a long hdmi cable, it costs like 10-20$, and use your computer for everything. And rars ftw!

  • 8day

    OMFG, 100% sure that those people that say “Matroska sucks” haven’t used at least 1% of it’s functionality (i.e. they are total noobs). First of all it’s “scalable” (partly because of XML, I guess), it supports cropping of video (well, it have to be supported by splitter), stereoscopic video and WHOLE LOT of other features. Personally for me it’s #1 container format.

  • None

    If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

  • Camaro1975

    Any newer Bluray DVD player will play these files perfectly. If your still living in the non-HD world with a standalone DVD player its time to upgrade to a Bluray or put your PS3 or Xbox 360 to better use.The new format is such nicer picture compared to old avi files, althought I prefer 720p mkv files.Get with the times people its time to get HD.

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  • Sven

    Every argument I see in favor of x264 vs. Xvid starts off with the premise, “Clearly x264 is a superior format…”, or words to that effect.

    Well, clearly it ain’t, at least to me.

    When I first decided to compress a bunch of my video files, I picked a half dozen representative samples (e.g. action, scenery, cartoons) and tried compressing them. Since I believed the initial premise, I chose x264 as my codec. I spent at least 25 or 30 hours reading everything I could find about x264 and then began encoding my test files at various bit rates and with various and sundry quantizer settings, etc. For a couple of the particularly troublesome files, I encoded them at least 20 different ways.

    And, here’s the thing. Even at bit rates that were double those necessary to make Xvid look good (e.g. 2400 vs. 1200), the x264 encoded files looked like crap. Admittedly, the foreground detail was great but I got really, really tired of watching cockroaches crawl all over the flat surfaces in the background. Maybe its just me but this behavior renders the videos compressed with x264 unwatchable. The moving blocks on the background surfaces are just too distracting.

    Funnily enough, Xvid doesn’t suffer from this problem. At much lower bitrates, the walls, etc. look just fine.

    Again, maybe its just me. Maybe I don’t have clue one about how to optimize the x264 codec so that it can do its job properly. Heaven knows it has more than enough inscrutable tuning parameters that are poorly, obtusely or merely not at all documented. I tried a boat load of them but, hey, maybe I missed the magic, “make it work” parameter.

    I’d certainly be willing to try another 20 or 30 times, if somebody were to clue me in to *THE* magic parameters.

    Meanwhile, it would be great if the guys encoding the latest TV caps in x264 would also use *THE* magic parameters. Because some of the ones I’ve seen really look like crap. The cockroaches are back in spades, crawling all over the walls.

    Sven

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/village1diot village1diot

    Time to put the XviD player in the closet. Luckily I did that 3 years ago.

  • Tick Tock

    i love how so many are just trying to defend the change to mp4. did we all forget that avi also supports the x264 codec? avi and mp4 are both just containers that can be filled with the garbage we so like. now lets get to some real talk. one of the main reasons why xvid is still preferred is a simple one. it streams and delivers. with these mp4 encodes. you can not always stream them because of the encode methods used. these “scene” guys are using servers with ffmpeg-php set up incorrectly and the encodes come out ruined for streaming. therefore the file has to be downloaded completely.

    what they should of done was stick with mkv (also just a container) but with much better options.

    now try explaining this to everyone and watch how the (I’m so smart and up to date) blu ray blah blah blah techs get so pissed that they will simply just say…. and i quote all of you…

    ditch the dvd player and buy a blu ray player or use your pc or use your ps3/xbox.

    ****************************************************************

    my personal take is this. yes, x264 looks good. but i am a streamer. and xvid streams simply look better on my hdtv. (Simple, but hard to swallow). thats just my personal take on it. if you prefer mp4. more power to you.

    either way, when encoding at 1200 kbs or below. it really just doesn’t matter if its mp4 or xvid. now go have a brainstorm and loose some sleep LOL….

    • Chiizu

      I stream MP4 just fine?

  • Ernesto

    I have to say i agree with these groups. Its time to move ahead and dump these archaic formats like avi. But Also i have to say i prefer MKV over MP4. MKV is easier to stream over internet, and MP4 tends to lag more + caused me always some problems with sound in VLC media player.

  • Jonathan

    I just want to add that while my bluray player LG620c play all new x264 thus far, it didn’t play some CSI NY h.264 files. It played the first few episodes ok, but then episode 14 for example, didn’t play right (no image, only sound). I guess an encoding option used for ep 14 (and many others ) were a problem for my bluray player for this particular csi ny h.264 torrent.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rosalind-Smith/1046665178 Rosalind Smith

    i used eztv everytime but now as the formats have changed i use the UL ettv on TPB as he does avis and 264/mp4. I have converted 264/mp4 to avi and use a good software prog but the quality is not good on conversion like a long play video tape quality as opposed to the sharp digital quality that we all know these days. also it is a nuisance to DL and then in real time it takes to convert to avi is not a forward progression. i have looked for dvd players that have a usb port and can read MP4 and there arent that many. And i just bought a sony usb port dvd player last year which reads Xvid and avi and mp3 etc only. so for the moment i can get avis still from trusted uploaders.

  • WMVPLZ

    Y NOT WMV??

  • Slav

    I wrote earlier that I prefer .avi format and I was called a morron. I read other comments and maybe I really am. Maybe really new formats are better? But you have to explain what’s the difference between those formats in size and quality. The standalone 40 min episode of the show is about 350 MB. What’s the size of it in new format?

  • WayneH

    Its not so much the mp4 because I mostly stream- its the share sites that restrict downloads that frustrate me. Just to make money-

  • Anonymous

    Right. I have a brand new TV that I got less than six months ago, with a USB port. It plays XVID. It doesn’t play H.264. I get home from work at 8pm. I want to watch three one hour shows that I have downloaded during the day – with xvid, no problem. With these new files? No, I have to spend at least 30 minutes converting each one. Can somebody tell me what – with 0 physical cost – I can use to have these files available to me IMMEDIATELY to watch on my TV as I do currently? Because if not then the new format is no use to me. I will not spend money when my TV does its job perfectly well.

  • NinjaPirate

    It’d have made a lot more sense to standardize MKV’s.  Is anyone else reminded of the VHS/Betamax wars?

    Ah well.  At least they didn’t go with .mov.  XD  (Since it’s OBVIOUS these people have iProducts…)

  • Slav

    I agree with some of you guys that mp4 or mkv is better than Xvid, but not always better means more popular. Betamax was better than VHS, but the second one won. Ogg is better than mp3, but mp3 won. Png or jpg 2000 are better than jpg, but jpg won… etc. The same thing is with Xvid / mp4, mkv.

  • I want .avi back as well

     I am one of those who want the freaking .avi back! I mainly watch TV shows. Online. And it is a freaking nuisance to seach 200 links for a working .avi link and have to go through useless .mkv and .mp4 and whatever links!
    All those flash based files don’t serve me at all! They interfere with everything else I’m doing on the comp while watching. And I end up with a blurry picture that hangs itself up all the time!
    Why not at least give us SOME working .avi links?

    • Chiizu

      Because MP4 & MKV are superior formats. Why do you go out of your way to find an avi and skip through “useless mp4 & mkv”? What the hell flash based files are you talking about? If you are getting blurry or hanging files then you are doing something wrong.

      Perhaps your problem could be resolved with simply installing a codec & video player that will play formats that have been around for years. Stop bitching because you can’t figure out something as simple as playing a video. People who actually take the time to cap the programs, edit them, and then encode them don’t do it to please you. I bet you have never contributed anything once so ever to the community. You are not entitled to jack shit so get over it and adapt to change. (And just to clarify donating to a bittorrent site is not contributing. The people who are releasing these have nothing to do with the torrent sites and are not making any of that profit.)

  • uT-User

    “Somewhere along the line a consumer appeared who not only wants
    everything super quickly and for free, but also believes that the same
    should be offered with Class A service. Should these things not be
    delivered, he feels it is his right to take his “business” elsewhere.
    Could this become the new consumer standard for service on the Internet?”

    You seem to have forgotten a lot of sites rely on users donations, so for some users they would be taking their business elsewhere. Not saying they are right just saying, some users feel they have a point.

    • Myemail

      Divx/xvid Avi should be killed off totally. Mkv or mov/mp4 all the way.
      If you like watching brown mush go fill your backyard with mud.

  • I want .avi back as well

    First of all, uT-User, I HAVE donated in the past! But now that I only find those stupid mp4 files everywhere I definitely don’t.
    And I am never one of those who wants to have it all right away!
    I am just asking for .avi links. That work.
    You can all have your precious .mp4 links…I would just like the occasional .avi link.
    And I usually wait a full day or two until I even look for a link…speaking of links for TV shows here…where the links are usually up a lot faster…so I am not one of those that wants it all and right away!
    And “Myemail”: avi/divx is definitely no “brown mush”.
    I don’t know if you need new glasses…or whatever…but when I actually find an avi link online somewhere the video quality is usually a LOT better than those mp4 files that only interfere with everything else going on and turn into mush!

    • Chiizu

      Why not use some of the money your cheap ass is saving from stealing all the TV shows & movies you watch and invest in something that will play new formats? I mean people seriously still burn avis to DVDs to play them? Jesus I remember DVD players with Divx codec used to look like utter shit.

      Number of ways you could move with the times.

      You could get a TV-Out wire for an Idevice or your cell phone
      Purchase a media center or make one
      Many modern DVD/Bluray/TVs support the format and will even stream it…
      A modern gaming console

      I bet you were one of the people who were pissed off when they started to phase out the VHS for DVDs. Always moaning how you dislike having to repurchase your vast collection of 4 tapes. In your eyes the quality difference was negligible & even worse!!!! You probably were in that group of people who protested the movie to widescreen and would bitch how not many DVDs were being sold with a fullscreen option.

      Being stubborn and just plain ignorant you focus on the negatives and disregard the positives of change.

      “Man I don’t want to have to endure clicking play on a menu to start my movies damn it. Adding extra features such as behind the scenes and bloopers YUK!! Who cares about commentary from actors & crew. Selectable subtitles are so useless too! Maybe instead of taking the time to create chapters for me to skip from scene-to-scene they could have came and asked me personally what I thought of format changes. I don’t see this format lasting very long. People will miss the feeling of complete joy when they go down to the local Blockbuster and pay $3.99 for the magical black box and sticking it into the best video player ever created. Glancing to their 27″ tube television and to their joy getting to see what happens at the end of the movie because the guy who had it before either forgot to rewind or was being a really thoughtful person and wanted to give you a preview of what happens in case you can’t finish it. I mean it is a 1 day rental after all. Speaking of tube televisions that is another change I hate! They don’t have enough space on the top of them for me to put a couple decorations on. Plus they are cutting off half of my TV screen now! WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THAT? The quality on those 1080p superTVs is really not a negligible change from my tube tv. Honestly, I think my tube looks better sometimes and i get to watch everything without them crop anything out. Stupid half screen viewers. Come on guys you know you are going to miss that fantastic sound the VHS player makes when it starts eating the tape. You just don’t get little joys like that when you play a DVD.

  • Jake Patrick

    h264 is not as good as xvid. The files are larger and the audio is worse. 
    Why break something that was working just fine?

    • Chiizu

      What shit site are you using. The file sizes are generally smaller when done by the new standards then the old and the audio is too for that matter.

      It is not a matter of breaking something that worked. It is moving on with the times. If we go by your logic we would all be reading cave drawings.

  • I want .avi back as well

    And the video is not as good either, at least that’s what I’m thinking. 

    • pcGnome

       There is one major problem with the switch from avi to mp4.

      LOL is by far the most prolific capper … but with almost a decade of glitch free AVI files, LOL just can’t seem to encode an error free mp4 to save their life!

      I have documented more than 70 glitches in LOL files, but only one for each of COMPULSION & 2HD. As far as I can tell, all other cappers seem to be doing a flawless job.

      Is there any chance information ever gets upstream?

      There used to be a capper XOR that would completely botch videos and hopefully … eventually … those who cannot meet some basic glitch free standards should be quietly encouraged not to share substandard items. Only then will quality step in to fill the gap.

      Where is FQM when we need you?

      pcGnome

      p.s. – it is possible to encode x264 in an AVI container …

  • Anonymous

    I’m already converting everything to 264/AAC mp4′s to stream to my TV. So if anything I’d like to see this for HD releases too!

    264 is king, and if that’s a problem, just learn to use ffmpeg. It’s quick, easy to use (especially if you have a nice fronted like WinFF), and sexy as all hell.

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  • Dorkapotamus

    The manufacturers need to support MP4 by updating firmware however they seem to do so by promoting more expensive units like Samsung for example. I convert them myself but its just a preference. I can stream the files over my network and watch them via a ps3 with no long ass hdmi cables.
    My converted Xvid files are more than double the mp4 file size and look worse for some reason. Most people who complain about mp4 files probably can barely turn on a pc let alone use the software required to convert them.

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  • Markou V.

    I KNOW WHAT WE GET IS FREE,,, BUT, PEOPLE LIKE ME…OLDER, DON’T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OR THE MONEY TO BUY BETTER TECH…SO, PLEASE MAYBE SOME NICE PEOPLE OUT THERE WILL CONTINUE GIVING US AVI . I LOVED EZTV, BUT NOW I CAN’T DOWNLOAD ANYTHING FROM THEM.

  • Something

    x264 has better quality/bitrate than xvid which means same quality at a lower size, or higher quality for the same size, either way is a win-win so why the fuck is anybody complaining?  Oh, because some are still using antiquated hardware instead of cheap PC/$50 Bluray player etc to enjoy the benefits. These people are stupid beyond imagination.

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