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BitTorrent Troll Admits Its All About Making Even More Money

When copyright trolls speak, they usually do so only through their lawyers. For the driving force behind a new wave of anti-BitTorrent settlement letters about to hit the UK, things are a little different. Out goes the stuffy legal jargon and in comes the basics – BitTorrent users are ‘tight’ and the upcoming campaign is about making even more money.

Last month the UK High Court gave UK pornographer Lyndsay Honey (aka Ben Dover) and his company Golden Eye International a provisional green light to obtain the identities of thousands of alleged file-sharers from ISP o2.

By now it’s a well-trodden path – send out scary letters to alleged copyright infringers and ask for money to make mostly imaginary court cases go away.

This controversial business is almost always conducted with a law firm front and center, who spend much of their public-facing time throwing around legal jargon and talking endlessly about infringed rights.

But Lyndsay Honey, who became famous in the UK for his ‘gonzo‘ style movies which placed himself at the center of the action, seems to want to ‘keep it real’ by continuing the tradition of doing his own dirty work – and that includes speaking publicly about his latest attempt at monetizing porn.

In an interview with Vice.com, Honey explains that due to “everything on the internet being free”, his income dropped by 90% in 2 years. This development didn’t go unnoticed by Revenue and Customs who apparently thought something underhand might be going on in Honey’s tax affairs. While noting that he assured them that wasn’t the case, Honey is clear about his motives for entering the ‘speculative invoicing’ market.

“At the end of the day, if I can’t make money out of porn, the only way I can make money is to get to the people who are not buying it,” Honey explains. “I need to earn a living. I’m not a charity.”

But while talking straight has its benefits, sometimes little nuggets of information leak out. From his own mouth it seems Honey isn’t that desperate for cash. After separating from his wife (their house went on the market for £2.5m), Honey now lives in a “beautiful apartment block” and goes on to admit that things are pretty good.

“I still have a very nice lifestyle,” he told Vice. “When I say I’m skint, people say, ‘No, you’re not skint mate, it’s just now you’ve only got three cars instead of five.’”

And even while claiming porn is “a sinking ship”, Honey admits that he’s still shooting movies (which of course someone must be able to sell) and to this day remains the highest earning porn star in the country.

“I still do like, two or three shoots a week in porn for other people, so I literally just turn up, fuck someone and come home and it pays good money,” said Honey.

As his venture into file-sharing settlements shows, Honey is trying squeeze every drop of revenue from the most popular items in his back catalog. His 2003 film Fancy an Indian is the movie that will appear in the letters going out later this year, but far from picking a title that hasn’t done well, the reverse is true. Honey says that Fancy An Indian and The XXX Factor are not only his most pirated titles, but also the ones he’s made the most money from.

However, according to the 60-year-old, not all free content online is bad. Currently he’s working on a mockumentary (NSFW), apparently in the style of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Ironically, Lyndsay is giving it away for free to build an audience with the intention of later selling it to a TV company.

But while an impoverished Honey isn’t an impression that springs from his interview, it may well be that getting even more rich from file-sharing settlements is something that will remain out of reach.

Due to restrictions placed on his company by the High Court, the letters sent out to O2 customers will be much more tame than those previously sent out by ACS:Law. Furthermore, when people respond with a clear “I didn’t do it, and I don’t know who did,” Honey and his associates at Golden Eye may well have to accept that answer as final rather than bully them into submission.

Internet users in the UK may have bent over initially for Andrew Crossley, but they’re better prepared for Ben Dover, there’s little doubt about that. Don’t give up your day job, Honey.

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  • Anarket

    Thanks for stating what we already knew.

    • Anonymous

      I didn’t know, but then again I’m no fan of 60 yr old male porn stars.

      • Anon

        +1 

        Fuck him and his skank bitches ! His pr0nz is utter crap anyway 
        Ben you just got fucked in the arse lol 

        • ANoi floppy cause of BEN

          + 1 floppy one ( also a bemused GF……. ” BenDover …uuugghhh “  )

          James Deen is not losing money ….. eh…. creepy , slippy slime ball BenDover ?
          James Deen is my GF’s fav porn star…. btw

                                     Pictures of their comfy bed

                       turn people on more

                                              over 9000 times more

                                than

                                          BenDovers porn

          http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9366/trololo.gif

        • ANoi

          This Dick BenDover is deleting negative comments on his YouTube page..

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DAIH40nl19I

        • Lord of the Files

           “I need to earn a living. I’m not a charity.”

          Your victims aren’t a charity either and I’m pretty sure blackmail isn’t how one earns a living. At least not an honest one anyways. I feel the most appropriate response for those who receive a demand-for-cash letter, besides stating they don’t know who did it, is to GFY. Shouldn’t be too hard for you given your skill set. :-p

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        Now that’s what I call a job the tires, but never “retires”……….

      • Anarket

        How it’s just about the money, not the porn star, dip shit. But nice try. 

      • BootyTape.Com
    • Anonymous

      my best friend’s ex-wife made $19574 last month. she is getting paid on the computer and got a $395200 house. All she did was get blessed and use the instructions made clear on this link>>> http://dealincash.blogspot.com/

    • Anonymous

      my best friend’s mother brought in $19791 a month ago. she has been making cash on the internet and got a $349700 home. All she did was get blessed and set to work the clues explained on this web page… http://onlinemoneycampaign.blogspot.in/ 

  • Porn

    “Internet users in the UK may have bent over initially for Andrew Crossley, but they’re better prepared for Ben Dover, there’s little doubt about that. Don’t give up your day job, Honey.”

    Classic ;)

  • Lange

    Maybe realize no one wants to pay for watching 5 minutes of porn, squirt and then get on with ones life, when there’s so much free and just as good content around.

    • Anonymous

      my best friend’s mother brought in $19791 a month ago. she has been making cash on the internet and got a $349700 home. All she did was get blessed and set to work the clues explained on this web page… http://onlinemoneycampaign.blogspot.in/ 

  • Antwad Wood

    You know the answer to this (not that he will have much success anyway).. but leave o2.

    Go to a provider who isn’t selling your private details to criminals and millionaire porn starts.

  • Infringethis

    If I could only get infringement letters from these girls …

    http://www.porn-star.com/top100.html

    • Guest

       All I can see are disgusting monsters with disgusting big boobs.  Beautiful girls look way different and more natural.

      This area needs more people like Grigori Galitsin.

  • Baffled

    Ageing Heimische pron star seeks income, maybe a new yardstick in the definition of Chutzpah ?

  • Mwhahaha

    “I need to earn a living. I’m not a charity.”
    So get an office job. No-one forced him to become a porn magnate.

  • Mwhahaha


    when people respond with a clear “I didn’t do it, and I don’t know who did,” Honey and his associates at Golden Eye may well have to accept that answer as final rather than bully them into submission”

    Fantastic.
    Utterly, utterly fantastic.

    With stamps now at 60p for first class it may not be even worth the cost of posting the letters if this is the case.

    • Anyone

       as it should be

    • MadAsASnake

       Yup – he has to accept an “I didn’t do it” or he’s breaching the terms of the NPO. Difficult to seehow he thinks this will make money…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000617943487 Máté Bikfalvi

    For a second there I thought the man in that picture was Putin, but I realised you can’t motherfucking handcuff the Putin.

    Russia fuck yeah!

  • Ericflorea1980

     I found a website with a a few really good reviews. what do you think of these programs?
    http://www.pacificcoastwebsolutions.com

  • Fantastic

    Yep I remember reading an article about the porn industry holding a conference and deciding that the mass lawsuit thing was flat out withing any other context “a viable revenue stream” Anyone telling you they are doing it to “protect their art” is full of it. Its one of the reasons they have such a heavy “parody” market that has appeared in the last few years to snag those that accidentally DL the porno of “Avatar” instead of the real thing or smiler cases.

  • Guest

    The greedy old perv needs to retire and just enjoy living it up, spending all those millions of pounds he’s accumulated over the years, seriously!! Very few people want to see an old man perform viagra induced porn, in a desperate attempt to portray his virility – and even fewer people acually want to pay for that sorta crap.

    Lets face it Ben Dover, your past it, and your porn is boring. The real reason people ain’t buying your porn is ’cause there is so much better, more exciting porn out there… on thousands of streaming sites – and all for free!

  • Anonymous

    Capitalism at its best. Or worst. Or just capitalism. Milk what you can from your product, regardless.

  • Fat Bob

    I never understood why people downloaded porn in the first place. Maybe it was all you could get in the past but streaming sites are surely more suitable for this sort of thing. After all nobody thinks I want to knock one off in 15 minutes, you want it now.

    • Guest

      You are a fat slob, you should know better.

    • Guest

       Streaming sites are nothing, but crap for collectors.

  • Lulz

    Ben Dover is a great lover of porn and performs in movies, so he obviously sees the value in it. So what kind of compensation can perverts receiving these letters expect to pay Ben?

    I would suggest pulling down those pants, taking a lewd picture and sending it in place of payment. Not only will Ben have the opportunity to make the book.. If he puts the paper in his mouth he can also suck your cock.

  • Anon

    I’m not sure why this is even a story. People invest time and planning and money to create entertainment they expect other people to purchase to reimburse their investment and make it profitable if the entertainment is truly admired and enjoyed. If it’s not it deserves to die. If it’s great it deserves to be rewarded in cash, if that is what the price is.

    Pirates hide and make illegal copies to avoid the anticipated payments, screwing the creators and their agents. Why wouldn’t the creators and their agents then take any legal step possible to return the screwjob to the pirates?
    Pirate have no balls, they just hide behind VPN’s! Speculative invoicing forever!

    • Guest

      >Why wouldn’t the creators and their agents then take any legal step possible to return the screwjob to the pirates?

      Assuming, then, the steps that are currently being taken are actually legal. Judges are realising that not only are these agents filing singular court fees for multiple (read: hundreds or thousands of) defendants to bypass legal procedure, they have yet to actually drag any of these pirates to court. Worse still is the fact that these agents have no qualms about dragging innocent people into this sort of litigation mess. If you want to “return the screwjob to the pirates”, you might want to actually return it to the pirates, not some unlucky individual who shares the IP address. While you maximalists are often happy to state that the majority of the populace will sympathise with alleged losing income, you’re unlikely to win the support of anyone when you have no qualms about getting your pound of flesh from anyone.

      By the way, if what these creators and agents have been doing is considered legal, I think Evan Stone, Terik Hashmi and Andrew Crossley stand as testaments against that.

      >Pirate have no balls, they just hide behind VPN’s! Speculative invoicing forever!

      Interestingly one of the biggest proponents of these schemes, John Steele, consistently uses a VPN. Are you saying that these agents have no balls?

    • Jon7272

      yep and loving it deal with it you will never win anon troll you hide behind a name like anon hypocrite much lol

    • Pab

       lol fuck you

    • Fredrika

      > “People invest time and planning and money to create entertainment they expect other people to purchase to reimburse their investment and make it profitable if the entertainment is truly admired and enjoyed.”

      All entrepreneurs expect to to sell something, but these expectations does not equal that you are a successful entrepreneur, that will manage to sell something, and thereby have any right to money.

      People’s admiration and enjoyment of intellectual works have no relevance for this fact at all. Creators of intellectual works have never been paid for causing admiration or enjoyment.

      > “If it’s not it deserves to die.”

      Entrepreneurs that don’t sell anything deserve to get no money.

      > “If it’s great it deserves to be rewarded in cash, if that is what the price is.”

      No, that’s not how the free market works. Entrepreneurs deserve money if they manages to sell something. Whether or not something is great has no relevance whatsoever.

      Are you against the free market? Because it sound as if you advocate something along the lines of a planned economy, where entrepreneurs do not have to actually sell anything to be rewarded monetary wise.

      > “Pirates hide and make illegal copies to avoid the anticipated payments..”

      Pirates chose a cheaper retailer or method of acquiring the desired gods or services, to save money. This includes the option of manufacturing the gods or services themselves with their own property that they already own, instead of buying it, as people filesharing does. This smart economical behaviour is the cornerstone of capitalism and the free market.

      Again, do you have a problem with the free market, or capitalism?

      > “..screwing the creators and their agents.”

      You seem confused. Capitalistic behaviour according to the free market rules and saving money does not equal screwing creators or agents.

      > “Why wouldn’t the creators and their agents then take any legal step possible to return the screwjob to the pirates?”

      Just because you are a weak failed entrepreneur that manages to sell nothing does not mean you have any right to any money, or should resort to disgusting criminal behaviour as extortion of Internet subscribers, threatening them to give you money?

      Does this really have to be explained to you?

      > “Pirate have no balls, they just hide behind VPN’s!”What’s wrong with pro-actively protecting oneself from extortion and threats from weak failed entrepreneurs that refuse to operate on the free market? It actually sounds quite smart.

    • Guest

      Umm pay for porn? WHAAAAAT? O_o

    • Tawnika Burns

       well some people have balls, and even no vpn and pirate so speak for yourself.

      • Guest

        I don’t have VPN. I don’t have Peer Guardian. I don’t use any proxy either.

    • MadAsASnake

       Forget about the “piretes” – what about the stress and destruction this can wreak on the lives of those innocently accused – oh – and that will be most of them, just as it was with ACS…

  • MadAsASnake

    Can’t see him making money on this scam. The NPO denied most of is IP’s and the thing won’t fly in any courtroom. He even refused to run a test case on the grounds that he “could not afford it”. Usual rubbish – no real evidence, lots of false accusations being turned into extortion. BTW, legal damages is limited to proveable losses… and he’s not allowed to propose a sum in his actions…

  • Guest

    “At the end of the day, if I can’t make money out of porn, the only way I
    can make money is to get to the people who are not buying it.”

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to get to the people who are buying it, and perhaps provide them with such service and quality that they’ll want to buy more?

    Another option is the unemployment centre and a 9 to 5 desk job — either that, or sell his third car. But, but… he worked 9 years ago; he should still be paid well for that! …

    • Guest

      Making money out of porn and calling it “work” is the biggest abomination ever.

  • Me

    if you like your porn with crack ridden skanks and absolute crap filming (gonzo my ass) the ben is the man for you, go ben go..

  • http://www.sensibilium.com/ Sir Oblong of Orange

    Interesting info on Revenue & Customs investigations, what is he hiding I wonder?

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  • No

    Ben Dover is a prostitute:

     1. One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
    2. One who sells one’s abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.

  • http://twitter.com/opaqueentity opaqueentity

    It’s the £700 for each person I don’t understand. If they tried something more sensible, say like £50 I’m sure they’d get an even higher response/payment rate.

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