Court Orders Rapidshare To Proactively Filter Content
Written by enigmax on June 24, 2009The Regional Court in Hamburg, Germany, has ruled that file-hosting service Rapidshare must proactively filter certain content. Music industry outfit GEMA asked the court to ban Rapidshare from making 5,000 tracks from its catalogue available on the Internet. The court estimated the value of the tracks at $34 million.
Collections society GEMA claims to represent more than 60,000 composers, authors and music publishers worldwide, protecting their copyrights. After a request by the group, The Regional Court in Hamburg has ruled that hosting service Rapidshare is forbidden from making any of 5,000 music tracks from GEMA’s collection available on the Internet.
Rapidshare was also ordered to delete any and all of those same tracks from its servers and ensure that they are not uploaded again by users. Previously Rapidshare had been using file hashes to recognize tracks that were already removed after requests from GEMA, to ensure that they weren’t uploaded again. The court decided that the technique used was ineffective.
The court found Rapidshare guilty of breaches of copyright law and estimated the value of the tracks at €24 million ($34 million).
“The decision of the Hamburg Regional Court is a milestone in GEMA’s fight against the illegal use of musical works on the Internet,” said Dr. Harald Heker, Chief Executive Officer of GEMA. “We are confident that in this way we will be able to reduce the illegal use of the GEMA repertoire on the Internet to a negligible level,” he added.
Understandably, Rapidshare sought to downplay the ruling. Bobby Chang, COO of RapidShare, Switzerland, said: “We do not consider the court’s decision to be a breakthrough. As other proceedings in similar disputes with GEMA have shown, there is considerable disparity amongst the individual courts in some cases.”
Noting that the courts of appeal “tend to restrict the scope of the decisions made by the lower courts,” Chang said it would make more sense to offer music fans the right products and services at the right price to “open up a new source of income for music-markets on the Internet.”
Update: We initially reported that Rapidshare was fined $34 million on the back of this report. This information is wrong, the court only stated that the value of the tracks was estimated at $34 million. The article is updated accordingly and we’re sorry for the confusion.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWPfcEOr2Yg
the above link is anti piracy video made by bender on futurama its really funny. the slogan of the anti piracy vid, is
D.O.I.T DOWNLOADING OFTEN IS TERRIBLE
i laughed my head off.
we should make that our slogan for piracy
D.O. I.T.
ITS FOR THE GREATER GOOD
I am fed up of anti piracy organizations and their tactics.Germany again going towards Nazi era. Fuck GEMA
Allah, WTF is going on ?
$34 million, rapidshare is F**ked up.
rapidshare could hire 3-4 person to review latest uploads to prevent illegal files, he could save lots of $ by hiring 3-4 person then paying $34 million, Lmao.
whats to stop you uploading a pw protected .rar with a misslabed name? Ya know like people do right now?
lets see how long it takes RIAA employees to spew their hatred and outdated morals as comments
@#3 you really think 4 people would be enough to read through the list of things uploaded to rapidshare, let alone actually review them? You don’t understand how many things get put there.
This is like trying to turn a colander into a bowl by putting your fingers over every hole. People just will upload somewhere else, why don’t they see that? stop punishing the hosters, go hunt the uploaders instead.
@#5 Nothing at all! of course, the people who upload stuff for the credits need people who want it to find it. And if people can find it, so can the Evil overlords of music.
@3 Password protection.
Ontopic.
How are they supposed to filter it? People will just upload stuff with names like 00389328.001 and h1k54ks8.001 instead.
Passwording it is mandatory anyway already…
Come visit http://extratorrent.com :)
@3 Password protection.
Ontopic.
How are they supposed to filter it? People will just upload stuff with names like 00389328.001 and h1k54ks8.001 instead.
Passwording it is mandatory anyway already…
passwording is not mandatory, if that was the case, the files would not be able to spread well due to lost pw
Passworded files dont take long to brute force these days
cool story bro :)
Let’s hope, pirates will turn these news to the good, just like the Pirate Bay case turned to the good.
For god sake, $34 million dollar, this is going too much. We, the Internet users, will protest soon, worldwide.
Who the fuck is GEMA?
That’s stupid. Since when websites are copyright police?
@3
You think 3-4 people can check millions of files every day?
Sad state of affairs. Nevertheless, encrypted RAR-files with passwords and random nametags are impossible to filter, and take little extra effort to compile and decompile.
I don’t know why thepiratebay keeps not working for me. It says “Could not connect to caching server”.
http://www-piratebay.org/torrent/4969576/WINDOWS_7_BUILD_7260_WIN7_RTM_X86_DVD_MULTI_LANGUAGE_Ultimate(by
This is not related to this discussion but I don’t know what’s wrong with TPB.
I dunno why it’s such a large fine, most rapidshare stuff is like 90% porn, not music etc.
@16
true . and not to mention that some people double the encryption (mix zip and rar)and split the files .
asking RS to filter contents is asking them to do something impossible.
I think try to decrypt gov top secret documents will be much easier
Pr0n is also copyrighted though.
Another easy solution is to change the file types of the rar files to other things, and then include a batch file to rename them all again. In that way passwords aren’t needed and I don’t think their automatic filters are smart enough to run a batch file first. If they are, all it needs is some random menu in the batch files that a machine can’t figure out but a human can. Even if that doesn’t work forever, it will work some time until they can program the bots to open batch files and stuff.
Long live privacy!
lol @ “I think try to decrypt gov top secret documents will be much easier”
@17 same here
What about all the other places like rapidshare? They are all the same and they will never be able to filter anything with password protected rar files
Will RapidShare communicate information about the files a customer has downloaded to third parties?
* No. RapidShare does not store this information. Accordingly, we could not pass on this information, even if we wanted to. The prohibition of such logs is an inherent part of the contract for all our customers and we don’t handle this differently for those who use the Free hosting either.
taken from rapidshares privacy policy
Also, rapidshare already has a filter in place. Not sure why no one has mentioned that already.
pirate bay is still up
http://ipv6.thepiratebay.org.ipv4.sixxs.org/
the comment from Bobby Ghang (“open up a new source of income for music-markets on the Internet.”)is the most sensible one, not only for Radidshare, but also for torrents, p2p and file sharing of all forms. problem now is, the various copyright/music/movie industries etc are being given so much money from fines imposed by corrupt judges, they have no need to produce and release anything any more. it is still, in my opinion, a matter of control. if these bodies can control the internet, they are basically controling the way the entire World can pass information from person to person and country to country. this is very bad and can only get worse. said before, once the use of the internet is changed from free to having to get permission, it will die as far as ordinary people are concerned. nothing and no one should be in control of the World, especially greed induced companies!
I hope they put this on there home page so everyone can see this is getting out of control.
@21
Well, when it comes to data management most of the governments of said countries do not really have an impressive skill in such areas.. I am referring to the loss of sensitive and personal data through simple loss of a flash memory stick as an example for this.
Rapidshare, megaupload and P2P must die
Can RapidShare afford a $34 Million fine?
only 34 mil hmm thats like nothing compared to that woman who got 1.9 mil for 24 songs
80 k for a song thats 400 mil :P
this is all getting just silly at this point… honestly there are bigger problems in this world…. genocides, revolutions (iran anyone?), cancer, HIV …everywhere why is soooo much money being thrown at these nut jobs fine them and throw the money to a good cause greedy greedy crazy people at this point… i just can’t even understand the effort against piracy at this point it’s just sooo illogical in this day and ago of real problems.
Since they appeal the court ruling, I think they won’t have to pay anything for te moment. By the way, does anyone know why a german court is competent to judge a Switzerland-based company ?
Fuck rapidshare, serves them damn right.
The sad thing is, people can keep uploading the same thing repeatedly, just by altering the MD5 hash. And furthermore, rapidshare usually complies with all takedown notices it receives, unlike some torrent site, *hint hint*.
I hate rapidshare, but I don’t condone this fine, as much as they deserve whatever costs are thrown at them. They basically got as far as they have by hosting (and indirectly profiting from) “illegal” files, and piss people off with the whole free-user-limits, like the timer before a download and the “download limit” crap. If I wanted more download limits, I’d switch to a crappier isp (which here in aus is a moot point, all our isps are crap unless you’re a rich mofo).
@10
depend on the number of files . we are not talking 1 or 2 file here . we talking of thousands . plus using brute force take cpu resources .
here is most common method people use before upload to RS.
1. create the iso (or any cd/dvd format) .
2. zip/rar with password protection and encryption .
3. split the files into very small pieces (about20 to 30 files)
4. zip/rar the files . password and encrypt
5. split into big files 100mb each
6 upload
in order to read the actual content of the files , you need to gather all the big files and decrypt . (one files only is not enough because of second layers protection).
by the time you get them all the last will be read the iso (or any cd/dvd format) .
I really want to see the program that able to do all these automatically if it exist.
P2P must die
Another score for the Corporate Nazi. Their slogan is don’t get in the way of our greed…or else!
next they’ll be sueing hotmail ,, i use it a lot for stuff ,, split up and encrypted ;)
stop this nonsense stupid freaks
i hate those pro-copyright organisations. they try to do someting impossible stop waisting money!
Ridiculous!!
Just Zip it, name it XXX, then add a password to it.
Only idiots will upload mp3s directly to RapidS.
i say it once more: atleast we have TPB!
I think they had it coming because RS became known for having copyrighted files up there, and they did make money, I don’t even use it anymore sand they did have it coming. People will just find another site to upload their files because it’s not the only place on the web for that.
@47: Yes but they don’t make money directly from the copyrighted material. It’s just that many pirates love to purchase premium accounts and download warez at full speed without exposing their IP address to the MAFIAA (which is what happens on public torrent trackers).
Nevertheless, Rapidshare’s intention was never to spread warez but legit files. Therefore, it’s unfair that they get fined when its their users that dumped the copyright material there. Not only that but rapidshare does take active measurements to remove copyrighted material but I guess the industry wants some magical spell to occur that automatically eliminates everything they don’t want.
Oh! and let’s not forget that for every copyrighted album/game/move/etc they delete, someone else is ready and willing to upload a replacement.
I still think RapidShare is stupid. Mostly since I’m not willing to pay. But 24 million is too harsh, much too harsh. If I was RapidShare, I wouldn’t pay a cent, write a fake disclaimer on the ToS saying that copyrighted content is not allowed and then do nothing about it.
OK, germans are fucking nazis – its settled… and I was naive inough to belive, that this nation did a mistake in 1939 – aparently its their standards…
Wow, big hit for rapidshare. I don’t like rapidshare though, have to wait 15 minutes after downloading a file before you can get another.
http://antimatter.atbhost.net/2009/06/24/rapidshare-fined-34-million-and-ordered-to-filter-content/
so rapidshare is getting fined $34 million for what other people have upload to the net?
That’s fucking well stupid
Sad to see..
Rapdishare has no control over what users upload and 34 million is way over fined for those few songs.. its absolutely appalling.
rapidshare hosts media content
there is a great difference between offering media for direct download and offering torrents because torrent sites do not host content
a torrent site cannot filter content because the content never passes through the site’s systems
Now I’d like to see how (if) that GEMA is going to distribute that fine among the artists it claims to represent. I somehow doubt musicians will see much of that money…
why do I see darknets becoming a popular concept in the future.
“passwording is not mandatory, if that was the case, the files would not be able to spread well due to lost pw”
I don’t trust rapidhshare search engines, when I download stuff I use forums. And the passwords are written in every new upload post.
“rapidshare could hire 3-4 person to review latest uploads to prevent illegal ”
haha #3 you are stupid
What do these bloody idiots think they are achieving? Clearly this will do nothing to actually stop piracy, people will just use another host.
Oh right, they got $34 million from nothing…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAhssu-no_o
For rapidshare and others like it, you can always use a program like jdownloader that resets your IP address after each download so no more waiting period. TPB is nice and all but I hate it when someone uploads a torrent w/ no details whatsoever; just a title (i.e. PAL/NTSC, language, bit rate, etc.). I find sites that archive rapidshare links tend to be MUCH better about that sort of thing. At least the ones I frequent. YMMV.
anyone else up for raping GEMA’s website to hell? >:)
when i think about it, how could rapidshare possibly moderate every upload to check for copyright content?
impossibility for rapidshare to filter its content in any effect manner
@12
Passwords can only be bruteforced if they are weak passwords. The encryption algorithm used by WinRAR, AES-128, is considered very secure, and, as long as a significantly strong password is used is generate the key, it cannot be broken even by our most powerful supercomputers. A ten character alphanumeric password would be enough to keep RapidShare from identifying your files. Make it twenty characters, and you can be sure nobody, even the government, can read on your files without forcing you to reveal to password or somehow stealing it.
Eh, I wanted Megaupload to go down instead…or better yet both.
@ 61
The problem is the government owns every algorithm to every encryption.. I know someone who works for a company that specializes in tapping and such.. the government technically has control over everything.. but of course the logistics of actually using such power is beyond complicated..
in any event.. they CAN get into any encryption. I know its besides your point.. because lets face it, its not going to happen.. but its worth noting.
good glad they were fined should have been more they charge people for downloading on premium accounts that means its gone past file sharing or free distribution to selling warez for a profit
For private needs you can use file sharing service called Sugarsync:
http://www.virturoff.com/sugarsync-offers-2-gb-4-free/
What is it with these money hungry campanies these days. What do they do pull a figure out of their arse and say will fine them this amount.
I think that they just like going after websites like Rapidshare because Rapidshare is just more popular then they are.
When will companies just accept pirating and deal with it?
http://www.beabetterproducer.com
Hm…thx for the update tf…but they should still be fined a good deal of money for profiting from their service.
I am gay…Wow I came out!
cool story bro:)
Who would use rapidshare if there were no warez, movies and the likes. As if I want to upload some pictures there…I mean I just do not get it.
What is with all the internet freeloading these days? Do they know what hard work is? Probably not since most of them spend their entire days taking advantage of people’s trust.
Rapidshare is extensively used in piracy. It is estimated that half the traffic of the internet is devoted to piracy. Pirates are exploiting every legitimate system for piracy, criminalizing them (those system)in the process.
File sharing by itself is okay. Like say I have some pics I made in Photoshop or something. That’s what rapidshare is for. It’s in the same. It was made for sharing files, but not copyrighted ones.
As usual people on the internet don’t listen to this, because anonymity makes people feel untouchable, and much like real life, most people on the internet don’t do the right thing when they feel that no one is watching. They think no one will ever catch them, which is wrong.
You people are ruining the services you enjoy through your own shortsightedness. RS will probably now be forced to add something like a file scanner (similar to youtube) which detects copyrighted files. Everyone’s upload times will be increased, including people who use RS legitimately. Utterly selfish.
Ahhh jk nevermind, I have no idea what im talking about and take everything that the industries say for granted.. I love believing lies!
RapidShare sucks ass anyhow. It is not even considered P2P, the speeds are slow, it is dumb, it is really dumb.
Who cares?? Nobody
A file scanner? Rlly?
Come on.
Zip it, place it on an encrypted disk image, rar that (password protected), split the rar into 20 or so smaller files..
Scan that.
@73 Rapidshare is fast if you pay for it.
One should always be skeptical about commenting on foreign legal cases, because there is so much we do not know about about the legal systems in other countries. (Note the mass confusion over the amount of money cited in the Rapidshare story, which was initially cited as a fine.)
However, in American terms, this sounds like Napster’s shutdown order in 2000. Napster was ordered to stop, absolutely and completely, the sharing of copyrighted files through its system. Filters were only about 90% effective. If turning the Napster central servers off was the only way to accomplish that goal, then that was what the court required.
As numerous commenters have said, there is no practical way to filter a file which has an obscure name and password encryption. So the question is whether Rapidshare is allowed to operate, because complying with the order is not technically possible, or whether Rapidshare must comply with the order by shutting down. In the USA, it would be the latter.
I bet they won’t do anything
All smart uploaders will use passworded archives with non-blatant names anyway.
Suck it.
“Pr0n is also copyrighted though.”
Pr0n distributers are not multinational corporations, nor are anime vendors. This is why they are lower risk and so prolific (not that music and movies aren’t).
@neostyles
Actually, first off, a message to everyone here: If you’re going to secure your files for p2p, can you find a way to do it that doesn’t involve .rar? Not everybody out there runs Windows and has WinRAR…
Now, then. neostyles, this one was barely even worth replying to.
You sure love to generalize. You do it in all your posts. It’s fascinating how ignorant you are of the concept of civilized discussion. But I’ll play along. Whose trust is being taken advantage of? When I download a file, I doubt I’m going behind the back of the uploader. I never see notices that say “I am placing this torrent on TPB, but nobody except my close friends is allowed to download it.”
How would you know unless you use it? And if you use it, it would therefore follow that you use it extensively for piracy.
The only thing I’ve ever downloaded from RS are mod files for PC games that my friends made.
Oh, dear God, you’re starting to come around! I think I may just faint.
Did you design BT? How do you know what it was made for?
Yawn, more generalizing and more of you telling people what’s right and wrong… we’re bored of it. Come up with something new.
Right, I’m totally letting everyone’s uptime go up just so I can download a song. Stop generalizing.
I really am writing that list of Things Neostyles Doesn’t Understand About Filesharing and I will be uploading it somewhere soon.
Wait, so, RS was already doing hashchecks to pre-filter uploads, but they were told to stop doing it because it was ineffective, and use the filenames to filter instead? Bahahahahaahahahahahahhaaahaahaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!!
I can’t remember the last time I downloaded something correctly named off there. Why would they discard a method that is far more likely to work, for one that is guaranteed avoidable?
71
Disregard that, I suck cocks.
rapidshit sucks anyway
goddamn TF, you’re so hasty in making a post that you report it wrongly in the first go. grrrrrrr
swallow my Rapid Semen flow, you wanker
Their calculation is wrong according to the “Jammie Thomas-case”.
24 songs = 1.92 mln dollar, so 5.000 makes 400 million USD = 285 million E.
I order the court & gema to eat horse dong.
Rapidshare really isn’t that bad if you pay for it… but if you don’t then good luck downloading any large files, especially ones that are split up.
There is no way to filter the internet, its like a teacher trying to prevent students from “sharing answers”, if they want to cheat they will find a way… unless the teacher finds a way to stand behind every student at once to keep a close eye on them.
I bet these media companies have lost more money trying to stop “pirates” than they have from actual pirating… Most of their content is crap anyway and isn’t worth $0.05, mis less $0.99 or $30,000 or w/e they ask for it.
P2P MUST DIE <<
BTW, I wonder why a swiss company should give a f**k about a court decision from germany.
If I were the CEO, i’d not give a sh*t, then another german court would call for rapidshare block (does anyone say piratebay?), then people would get vpn or move to another host, and RS would just serve 59 countries instead of 60.
do thy actually think theyll stop pirating by doing this and if they do are they fu**ing stupid?
@#92
Rapidshare was originally German, it used to be rapidshare.de but their main advertiser cut them b/c of piracy “problem”. So they renamed it to rapidshare.com.
I pay ~30-50 USD a year on ebay for RS accounts, and it gets me a ~2MB connection to almost any file imaginable. Rapidshare is worth the premium costs, but not if their going to be filter nazis.
Both Mac and Windows have free archiving apps available. The PC has 7zip, for example, and Mac OS comes with it’s own archiving utility. Obviously, both basically support every archive format in existence, including .RAR and .ZIP.
I assumed that part was clear. If you were an open minded person, and thought about things beyond pirates and their needs, the answer would present itself : Society. Society trusts that you pay for your things and provide the content creators with the compensation you are OBLIGATED to contribute.
Wow. Worst. logic. ever. Do you need do do drugs yourself to know that people are doing them?
Uh, here’s a thought. Maybe I go to sites, where material is offered up for download on rapidshare.
I love how you’re contradicting me on something that is actually stated in the article. It shows you’re just contradicting me for the sake of it.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=blogspot+rapidshare&aq=&oq=&aqi=g3&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g9&fp=leBsIIJAIN0
http://rapidsharemovieblog.blogspot.com/
I guess it stands to show that not everyone uses a given service legitimately, and more importantly, that the user base of people who pursue that simple fact is enormous.
I think you may have intentionally misinterpreted that part. I was very clear. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the nature of filesharing. But the way many people have used to it to indulge their greed and laziness at the expense of copyright holders is definitely a problem.
I was talking about rapidshare, but either works. Nothing about Bram Cohen, the creator of bittorrent indicated that his intentions were to create a means for people to violate copyright. Most people also generally have a natural tendency to stay with in the bounds of the law, criminals and pirates aside.
http://www.bittorrent.com/
They ares sponsored by every major movie studio. I doubt that would be the case if they were recreationally crossing paths with the law.
Taking something that’s not yours, while not contributing to the creator or the development of the product you enjoy is fundamentally morally wrong. There’s no avoiding it.
What……?
I dont think you get it. When legal pressure is increased against RS, they have to take whatever action is necessary to protect their business. If this means, unarchived every uploaded .ZIP or .RAR and checking it for copyrighted material, they will do it. Havent you ever used youtube?
Thank you for proving my point that pirates resort to insults when confronted and hide behind their internet connection.
As if I really needed any more proof that pirates are immature..
There’s this thing called countries cooperating with each other. Every countr that’s part of the World Trade Organisation is bound by copyright laws. Yeah, that includes sweden.
LOL
Go ahead. If it helps you validate yourself, go for it.
Does anyone understand the applicable law here?
Why does a court in Hamburg have jurisdiction over a Swiss company (Rapidshare Switzerland)? And isn’t this really a suit against Rapidshare Switzerland’s parent corporation in the USA?
This strikes me as venue shopping.
Basically, I don’t understand how a German court has jurisdiction here. Shouldn’t this belong with the WTO under the Berne Convention?
http://www.entertane.com – the easist site for torrents (movies, music, software, games) – faster, simpler – and you can search all your favorite torrent sites.
this is funny cuz 30 mil is proberbly my fault with my 21 rs accounts, now my rs selling business is over
fml
There is only one place in the world that have “safe harbor” laws and that is the U.S. any other place to my knowledge don’t have them and that make it easy to shutdown anything that don’t comply with the infinity little laws that all countries have.
It is not just about copyright in this instance is about a lot of things that people could do to servers like rapidshare and other types of service, people will destroy the foundations of something and doesn’t matter to them if the thing have good uses or not.
And that is why people are slowly but surely moving to decentralized anonymous encrypted networks where there is no chance someone could stop anything, it will be and internet on top of the internet, where people will do all they can legally in one and switch to the other to do those things that they are forbidden.
For good or for bad privacy will prevail in the internet if for anything else just because the number of technicians against the institutions it is far way bigger than the ones the institutions employ and sympathizers.
@95:
The Schengen Agreement may explain why germans can get to swiss territory LoL
I hate Rapidshare but isn’t it illegal for a court to order the impossible to be done?
Here is the funny thing about law, it is only illegal if the law say it is if there is no provision for that effect no it is not.
Guys If u want rapidshare account i hve a good warez site which contain rs accs also new movies,games etc…
logon to:
http://www.crackedsoftwares.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=8116
It is a known fact that they cant stop it without shutting down , rapidshare that is.
They like warez they just dont admit it , 90% of their traffic is illegal files… and their profits allowed them to pay the fine.
Go Rapidshare!!!!
Fight the power!!
@neostyles
your only complaint that i found to have any merit is that artist do not get compensated by file sharing. As i have stated before i believe the pledge system is the answer to this problem. the following article has more information concerning that.
http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk/index.php?id=197
but i have come to believe that you have a personal stake in this argument and that greed is your driving force not the good of society. you will ignore any argument that does not support your greed. therefore i fully expect you to say that artist should have a right to “own” idea’s and that we are trying to take there right’s even though it they are really priviledges and the public is the one being deprived. hence this will be my last message to you unless you actually show that you have considered an alternative to traditional copyright
Will be interesting to see how this plays out. They can certainly afford the fine.
@ 53 … Neotroll..
What do you care? You don’t consume media etc anyways you have no need for a site of this nature..
Hope this works, I didn’t realize the comments here allowed quoting…
[quote]Re: 82, 4nd;
“Actually, first off, a message to everyone here: If you’re going to secure your files for p2p, can you find a way to do it that doesn’t involve .rar? Not everybody out there runs Windows and has WinRAR…”[/quote]
There are Rar unpackers for Mac and Linux as well, available right from the official Rar site. They’re command line versions, but a quick search shows that there are GUI front ends available for both of them, as well as native GUI programs that will unpack Rar files on both OS’s.
If only Windows users could unpack Rar files, don’t you think there would be a lot more complaints about its use than there are now?
Oh well, guess it doesn’t use the stand quote tags…
Taking advantage of peoples’ trust? How is filesharing taking advantage of peoples’ trust?
Have you resorted to claiming things at random, now?
Considering that piracy itself isn’t a criminal offense, it’s entirely impossible for piracy to criminalize a legitimate system. Let alone anything. Please come back when you have a better grip on the reality, the law, and the English langauge as a whole.
Ah, I see. Is that why you don’t listen to anything? Because your anonymity makes feel untouchable, you little coward?
Quick hint: Unless your parents named you Neo Styles, you’re just as anonymous as the rest of us. It’s rather amusing to watch you accuse other people of “hiding behind the Internet”.
Enjoy Rapidshare?
Dear God.
Does anybody actually enjoy Rapidshare? Personally, I think the Internet would be a much better place if RS vanished tomorrow, but either way, the court ruling is still a farce.
(Disclaimer: I’m not the real neostyles. Sadly you aren’t watching him argue with himself in a fit of schizophrenia. I’m just using his name because it deeply, deeply annoys him :D)
when you people learn if you are criminal you will be caught, i mean look jammie thomas was 1.92 mil for personal filesharing, someone who does it commercially is much worse, hence the 34 million fine.
Now if you freeloading hippies got past your “share everything dooode” attitude and paid for movies and cd’s then maybe the movie industry and film industry won’t die, and don’t tell me people don’t need money to be creative, what are they just gonna make songs for fun then….LOL!!! you guys are a joke all of you
hotfile is booming…
I am happy to hear that they are not fined $34 dollars. I thought I would never be able to use RapidCrap again :D
@65 neostyles
See – this is the kind of comment that shows how little understanding you actually have! It does not matter one little bit if they know the algorhithm – without the RANDOM key which it would take decades or more to crack there is no way to look at the contents of the file! No government can crack it as you are describing.
A 20 digit password using A-Z and 0-9 without lowercase or punctuation would have 20^36 combinations (more if you count all the passwords under 20 characters since they would not know the password length!) – this would take thousands of years to break using brute force!
e-diot, swiss isn’t in schengen space.
@neostyles:
We need to stop this. Both of us. We’ve got it so, so wrong about filesharing and piracy. Why didn’t the RIAA tell us? I never got an email, fax, text, or anything! I mean, first they give us this list of sites to harass and troll and then they just leave us dangling. I’ve had enough. I could never really believe their piracy BS anyway. There is only so much lying you can do before it just gets so boring and repetitive, hehe, but you don’t need me to tell YOU that eh, neostyles? I know it’s a drag for you too having to lie every day and pretend it’s stealing.
I just think there’s other scams out there we could pull instead of this RIAA one. They don’t even pay me that much. I might go into phishing emails I think.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news_digest/Switzerland_links_up_to_European_police_files.html?siteSect=104&sid=9482144
Solution:
Pack the files in an archive with strong encryption. And do that TWICE so that people who don’t know the password will only see one single archive within an archive. Better yet, do it thrice or more if needed.
It would need super-duper computer to brute-force a multi-layered encrypted archive. That’ll surely slow them down and show that content filtering useless.
Damn, I just got a rapidshare account.
Lets do it, lets stop sharing.
Lets stop sharing everything.
A whole world of non sharing,
non giving. Lets ask Tim Berners-Lee to not share his World Wide Web with any one. Lets all live alone.
In the dark, in caves.
@114 Rabbit80
Keep telling yourself that bro..
You missed my point completely.. if you think that the government is going to allow such encrypted communication after WW2.. you are out of your mind..
Im not a conspiracy nut.. or somebody who thinks they know everything.. but im pretty sure FCC regulations doesn’t allow for any official encryption method that they don’t have control over.. its just not going to happen no matter how super secret you think everything is. We are all slaves to the government.
Its the same reason why they can triangulate cell phones.. or even find a cb radio..
Again.. the effort it would take for them to do it would be incredible.. not to mention the politics involved.. but don’t kid yourself.
I wouldn’t worry too much about decisions made by that kangoroo court in hamburg. They have quite a reputation in germany by now for making idiotic decisions that get overruled by the higher courts very fast.
So although I wouldn’t say that rapidshare will win this case I would bet a lot that the higher court(s) will make a much more realistic judgement.
Too bad Hotfile sucks. The download speeds are even slower than Rapidshare and they make you wait even longer between downloads.
You don’t need to encrypt twice to hide the filenames, Rar has an option to encrypt the filenames as well. Without the password, it looks like an empty archive.
Even if one were to grant neostyles’ claims about the ability to crack encrypted communications: there is a difference between doing it against one targeted person, and doing it against a flood of data pouring into a commercial service such as RapidShare. To comply with the court order, as I read it, RapidShare would have to decrypt ALL uploads, and that is clearly beyond anyone’s technical ability to do in real time.
5,000 tracks from its catalogue available on the Internet. The court estimated the value of the tracks at $34 million.
So $34000000 for 5000 files?
That is 34000000/5000 == $6800 per file.
That was some really expensive music!
Freedom, maybe they think 6000 people will download a $1 track once each.
Or maybe they know they can sue 1 pirate $6000 per song they find s/he shared.
I heared aboud ‘File Hash Changer’
This tips will kill the Fucking GEMA
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