Dozens of Copyright Groups Petition Against File-Sharing

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August 31, 2009
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September 1st will see the start of a new anti-filesharing initiative. The petition called “Share – Do Not Steal” is currently supported by 1,750 copyright holders and 36 groups including record, movie, TV and games companies. It will be publicized in Norway’s press tomorrow morning.

A new anti-P2P campaign will begin in Norway tomorrow. Entitled “Share – Not Steal” the campaign is supported by 36 industry groups including IFPI, TV, movie, games and software associations, along with (at the time of writing) another 1750+ artists, musicians and other copyright holders.

The campaign carries a petition which hopes to force Norway’s political parties to show their intentions on unauthorized file-sharing.

“Legal file sharing is good. Illegal file sharing is theft,” begins a statement from the organizers, which goes on to say that just because everyone is doing it, it doesn’t mean to say that the practice should be legalized.

“Currently the systematic and organized piracy of digital media is carried out to the extent that the very existence of the basis for artists, composers, artists, filmmakers, writers and other rights holders are threatened,” it adds.

The organizers say that some political parties have proposed the “legalization of software piracy” by compensating the original creators through the budget or taxes, “rather than ensuring that Norwegian law is enforced” against infringers.

The organizers hope that the petition will force Norway’s political parties to become more open and clarify their stance on the issue of unauthorized file-sharing and copyright issues before the country’s elections this fall.

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fuck

fuck them, they can’t stop us.
RIAA/MPAA

We support this
Phil

Wow… Next petition will be against war and force the use of condoms. Please, its not with the signatures of a dozen of individuals that piracy will end.
Pery

I’d also like to know the different political parties views on this issue. Need to know who to vote for :)
Phil

p.s.: i LOL’d at the 1st comment.
wger

I thought I was sharing…
knux

And once again, who’s to say who is legally sharing a file and who’s not? I mean there are tons of stuff that I can legally share, yet would still get a damn DMCA notice for doing so. It ain’t gonna change things.
Joe

Copyright infringement is not stealing…
peter@brokep.com

I have some thoughts on this

Mail me if interested

http://flattr.com/
Mel

Share – Do Not Steal, essentially means upload but don’t download. Thanks for the permission guys.
TiAMO

I am about to share my body in prison
Anakata

Do you think I can hide the mushrooms in my beard or do I need to soak my beard in gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid?
tAdxX

I lol’d at @1
AZRiEL

Not sure. I think they do deep packet inspection in penitentiary facilities.
fuck

What the fuck? Why you cocktards edited the 1 comment?
caprio4us

That’s good to here, i think it gonna replace “thepiratebay” but with a lower dose of sharing, they just did it in order to decieve us that the “free-file-sharing” is over for good, there still “warez” sites.
Baku

Ban Libraries. That is copyrighted material they are offering and nobody is paying. Thieves, the whole lot.
Peter D

I wonder which petition would have more names, the people who want file sharing legalised or this one……

@1 lol
Peter

I don’t get it. We are sharing. I share a lot. Never steal.
Phoenix

good idea !
why don’t we sign a petition to dissolve RIIA/MPAA ?
it will be signed by million of ppl :)
t00z

Petitions almost alway fail.

Besides: I think at least 1 million people would sign a pro file sharing petition, if not 10 million or more.
Sopicaos

@9: Nah it means something along the lines of:

Upload and give away copies – do not take away someone else’s property

that’s perfect, still I see the company ‘TONO’ is on the list, guess I will stop buying their shorts and socks.
KILLDEATH to all the oppressors of free flow of (digital) information!
hm

“legal fielsharing is good” but only if i choose to share things with my friends that ‘you’ say are ok?
Orbit

I had a bad night at work I needed a good laugh
TheLeftTurnAtAlbuquerqueTroll

Well if they legalize piracy and compensate it that actually would be ensuring they’d be enforcing the law. Just not their preferred law.
Reasoned Mind

I like there campaign.. dont steal.. share! so im gonna go download some stuff right now.

I dont steal, I copy.
ROLF

@1

should be the title of the article :)
me

what a steaming hot pile of….
PearHat

the artists are really the only ones tat make a difference in this the companies should be discounted entirely or broken down to individual signatures, but interesting they actually came up with a good idea for trying to stop us for once… though i would still argue more people are pro sharing than anti.
Reasoned Mind

lol one of those companies is called fagpressen..

heheheh..

fags..
foo42

Copyright doesn’t benefit artists. Copyright only benefits MAFIAA.
idora

as a “non-file-sharer” i always wondered:

if so much people do something that is against the current law, they (politicans) should consider to adapt the law, because i think that “the people” should make the laws, not the soul- and faceless companies.

or is it carved into stone that existing laws can not be changed as centuries go by?
655321

if there was something worth paying for, I might consider it. but generally, most of what’s out there isn’t even worth downloading, music or movies. I saw some movie called Inglorious Bastards at the theater – my first theater experience in two years – and it SUCKED. I should have downloaded it, saved $15.
roflcat

Huh.

I vote we start a petition about the unfairness and biased judging of the Pirate Bay Trials. If they give them a fair trial then I’ll think about not stealing, yes, stealing, no use prettying the word up, the material of these corporations and whiny little celebrities who are “omg so poor” despite the fact that the ones who have talent and a brain to go along with it are incredibly rich and well liked.

But until they start treating us as equals in the Justice system, and life in general, we have no reason to so much as give these idiots the time of day.
MissedMemories

CHANGE NAME!!!

I don’t steal. I give a try to something I think might be good, and then, after I’ve done all testing, If I’m still interested I’ll buy it.

THEY CAN’T BAN SHARING! We’ll find ways to do it.

Is like trying to eradicate evil from Earth. There will be always evil, else, there wouldn’t be a balance.
Factx

Why is there no international organization that is pro piracy and against current copyright system? I would gladly donate money to them, and they can start anti-bullshit propaganda to educate people on the real picture of this whole situation
SHez

Join you local Pirate Party:
http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/
dnR

“Sharing isn’t really sharing unless by sharing you mean you’re actually giving us lots and lots of money for a product you might like”

There you have it, folks
Bluneon

The real battle here is ultimate cotrol of the internet and all users. Why do you think So many governments are cooperating in this? Fight!
joe rootkit

i find it funny that global copyright laws do not exist, maybe its ‘covered’ in the lisbon treaty
sjena

*looks at logos* Don’t know any of them, I don’t give a fuck about what they want, what would I care about them signing saying they hate what I love?

They should do something useful, like cry in a corner and slit their wrists like good emo kids.
Anonymous

Here is what i think and most people think:

when I have a game or movie or wtv copyrighted material, i lend it to the whole neighbourhood , thats sharing .

with the Internet progress that sharing came to be into a whole new level. therefore filesharing is not piracy nor illegal and the industry should adapt by either making physical data way cheaper with better content so as to make having the original a must.
Or sell the data on the internet exluding all the price that comes from physical production and knock down the price severely and still with more content.

in videogame case most people download play and then buy the game because the original offers more online content thats a huge step and one of the reasons why videogame industry is not entirely affected by filesharing.

Piracy my friends is copying content and then selling it, noone is selling anything we are just lending data to our neighbours via better technological options.

the idea that copyright groups are infriging human right laws to pass their own agenda is depicable, if they spent the money evolving instead of trying to go after people and sue them for doing something we always have since there wasnt any tecnology and people knocked on doors for a cup of sugar, then they should vanish and new companies should arise adapted to the current world.

bottomline is most people that download do buy , but those that dont sometimes wouldnt buy in the first place or end up bying if the original content is better, which is the case of alot of dvds and games, although in Dvds sometimes it doesnt offer that great extras stuff. so if companies wana sell make whatever their selling worth it

and stop blaming p2p for not earning more money during a HUGE GLOBAL CRYSIS.

because their still earning millions and billions of euros, while we have to struggle to buy food on a monthly basis.
Vwe

Here is what i think and most people think:

when I have a game or movie or wtv copyrighted material, i lend it to the whole neighbourhood , thats sharing .

with the Internet progress that sharing came to be into a whole new level. therefore filesharing is not piracy nor illegal and the industry should adapt by either making physical data way cheaper with better content so as to make having the original a must.
Or sell the data on the internet exluding all the price that comes from physical production and knock down the price severely and still with more content.

in videogame case most people download play and then buy the game because the original offers more online content thats a huge step and one of the reasons why videogame industry is not entirely affected by filesharing.

Piracy my friends is copying content and then selling it, noone is selling anything we are just lending data to our neighbours via better technological options.

the idea that copyright groups are infriging human right laws to pass their own agenda is depicable, if they spent the money evolving instead of trying to go after people and sue them for doing something we always have since there wasnt any tecnology and people knocked on doors for a cup of sugar, then they should vanish and new companies should arise adapted to the current world.

bottomline is most people that download do buy , but those that dont sometimes wouldnt buy in the first place or end up bying if the original content is better, which is the case of alot of dvds and games, although in Dvds sometimes it doesnt offer that great extras stuff. so if companies wana sell make whatever their selling worth it

and stop blaming p2p for not earning more money during a HUGE GLOBAL CRYSIS.

because their still earning millions and billions of euros, while we have to struggle to buy food on a monthly basis.
#YLS#

Yeh we “Share – Not Steal”, the damn anti-copyright guys copied (and sevrely twisted) one of our slogans, I guess we should have applied copyright to the phrase and therefore made us a shit load of cash to live off
QK of KI

Though I can understand their plights about why software shouldn’t be pirated. It will also be there. The more you crack down on it. The more exciting it will be for people to find new ways of obtaining pirated material.

So good luck with that, Norway. Your efforts truly are in vain.

Unless they enforce a ridiculous jail sentence and/or death penalty. They are just wasting time.

Q
lverona

Wow. They are active. Pirate parties are not that active and usually become active after something happens.
Cujo

Quote: It will be publicized in Norway’s press tomorrow morning.

good way to recruit new pirates :D
Sanderman

I do wonder how long it would take them to change ‘Think of the children!’ to ‘Think of the artists!’. Shit, I shouldn’t give em any ideas!

Unfortunately people are gullible, and if/when the big media start aggressively campaigning, I fear a lot of naive/uninformed people’s views on filesharing will be distorted to the point where we may not be very successful with any counter-petitions.

Nevertheless. Getting politicians to clarify their stance on important issues is always a good thing, no matter who demands it.
hifh606

“Share – Do Not Steal”

But that’s what I am doing…
phishybongwaters

just remember the corporations rights far outweigh the individuals. And really, if they hadn’t thrown up roadblocks in the way of us exercising our rights, we wouldn’t be
“stealing”

under fair use, i have the right to backup my media in any method i choose, but they implemented DRM, and circumventing DRM, even to exercise MY RIGHT, is illegal.

So it’s illegal for me to rip my legally purchased DVD to avi to watch on my laptop. It’s illegal for me to download an avi of that dvd for my laptop.

So guess what? I’m gonna download it.

And, please explain, how I can watch the last season of malcolm in the middle legally? It is not airing on any stations HERE, and is NOT available on DVD. The ONLY method of watching is to pirate.

The same goes for Perfect Strangers, and a number of other obscure crap I happen to have on my HD right now.

So yeah, any artists signing on to this can kiss my Canadian Ass, if they didn’t suck balls, they’d be making money. Not everyone can “make it” and I don’t care how “emo” you look, if you suck, you suck, and suing the internet is not going to make you more talented.
NEWSFLASH

lol mod +1 above person
AND everyone start asking

WHAT DOES 50 OR MORE YEARS OF COPYRIGHT DO FOR YOU CITIZEN
mattias

that’s just daft…
Le Fake

I recall the “culture is being threatened” statement being around ever since Napster, possibly even earlier. It hasn’t to this day gone anywhere, now has it?
Anonymous

@10
“Share – Do Not Steal, essentially means upload but don’t download. Thanks for the permission guys.”

Downloading copyrighted stuff is an copyright infringement, not stealing, so it seems we are allowed to download too :)
DarkFallz

the force use of condoms will never happen because the Cathlic Church does not believe in them. No matter how hard the Anti Piracy group try they cant change the Cathlic Church’s mind. maybe we need to find a way to get them on our side.
xentar

“just because everyone is doing it, it doesn’t mean to say that the practice should be legalized”

Hmm. That’s quite interesting. What is the purpose of laws that contradict everyone’s wishes?
joe rootkit

culture is being threatened, lmao now thats a despicable quote.
their ‘executive’ decisions and lifestyles have forced todays kids to idolise karaoke-strippers
kottonface

@ #1 \m/ \m/
That comment wins!!!
DISAGREE

ILLEGAL FILE SHARING IS AMAZING.

LAWS BLOW.

YOUR COMPANY WILL FAIL WITH HUMILITY.
dan.vintage

junte-se aos piaratas brasileiros
http://www.partidopirata.org
webcrawler

Are we just doing what their slogan say?

Hell yeah we just share; we do not steal.

How can i steal a virtual thing; i just copied bytes and bits.

Lest we forget SHARING IS COMMUNITY.
xpat06

Is this supposed to coincide with the elections here in Norway? That is funny. The lobby groups here do not yield the power nor wave the money so freely as they do in the US to get their way.

Anyway, is it stealing when you download something for personal use or when you download something only to burn copies and sell them?
thiefer

i steal more than bush stole votes in florida. they can’t stop us.
Why we will find you

…and hunt you down

Because you are made out of flesh. Your body and mind are way more imperfect than any PC out there.

Greed, pride and selfishness will do the job. Your ego will finish it.

Bits and bytes will be forever
File sharing will be forever
Pirates will not
Anonymous

All these “dozens” of group are all the same group of the 7 corporations of parasites that we have to put out of business for the sake of our societies.

Boycott the enemies of democracy:

RIAA:Warner Music (US), EMI (Britain), Vivendi Universal (France) Sony BMG (Japan and Germany)

MPAA: Time Warner, Viacom, Fox, Sony, NBC Universal, Disney.

Not one peny should go to any of these corporations of terrorists above!
Carefully watching

Most people feel file sharing isn’t theft. If everyone is doing it then a new model needs to be created not stop the progress of society. The internet is just an evolutionary step, and copyright is an old fossil. They will die and be recorded in history. The model will change and we will be at the forefront of a new open world.
Xcel

**********bottomline is most people that download do buy , but those that dont sometimes wouldnt buy in the first place or end up bying if the original content is better, which is the case of alot of dvds and games, although in Dvds sometimes it doesnt offer that great extras stuff. so if companies wana sell make whatever their selling worth it

and stop blaming p2p for not earning more money during a HUGE GLOBAL CRYSIS.

because their still earning millions and billions of euros, while we have to struggle to buy food on a monthly basis.********

Well said #43…..
boycott

What’s the best way to counter a petition like this?

Boycott every company that signs it!

Just need to find an organisation to back the boycott so it gets more press, and therefore the attention of the companies signing the petition.
boycott

*cough* pirateparty *cough* *nudge nudge wink wink*
Anonymous

If sharing is theft there is a lot of thief’s in the world as everybody watching TV is a thief after all they pay nothing or do they?
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Norwegian

The article should also say that later this september there is national elections in Norway. And that this is a campagne to pressure politicians to make hasty statements. If no one fucks up I don’t think this is something to worry about, because come october, this will again be a forgotten issue. Politicians here seems to be very carefull not to thread on any privacy laws or our citizen rights. And they should be.
sjena

On the talk of boycotting we need a site of stuff we can still buy if we boycott those companies…. My wallet grows saddened from non-use.
nordmenn

Norway is the only country left in Europe that defends privacy and stands against corporate bullies. Don’t let the bullies win!
Anonymous

Filesharing is such a hot potato for commercial business the ones that go public are the ones that see their revenue decline sharply so they try to push the responsibility to others, but ISP don’t want to have bad publicity and governments don’t try to tell nothing openly and I laugh.

Since 1930 when radio appeared pirates take music for free on their little boxes, from the 1940 again pirates started to pirate movies and films all over the world and since 1990 again pirates are still pirating music and movies for free, why the industry just don’t die?
Anonymous

@71 Aug 31, 2009 at 23:04 by sjena:

Jamendo is free, french and have a lot of musicians that agree to let the songs play under liberal licenses.

Apart from that there is a lot of other choices that ars and technocrunch recently showed but some are paid, others pay royalties to big corps(like youtube were I go for music) and a few that are more like stores.
Nef

Steal – then share. ;)
Anonymous

I love it when all these asses are outing themselves. Its good to know our enemies!
Anon

Theft involves depriving someone of personal property. This is not related to sharing in any way.

File all the petitions you want, won’t do any good. The whole system needs a reform.
Anonymous

File sharing is sharing, period.

Selling copyrighted material is not.

Fuck off, we’re not selling.
AllAboardTheFailBoat

@1 ’nuff said.
MM99

The IFPI Logo is pretty cool. Never heard of the others though.

I think you guys have got it wrong. As they said:
“Legal file sharing is good. Illegal file sharing is theft”
They were talking about the ‘evil’ guys who download from filesharing sites and sell them. Not aimed at the general filesharing public though.
Yeah, let’s think it that way….
Anonymous

Also, I have so many legally store-bought CDs, DVDs, and games that I literally do not have room for more. If I had to, I would easily go without, I like older stuff more these days anyway (usally.. I don’t like that, it probably means I’m getting old)

Anyway, I definitely preview now, and if something is truly great it often does get a purchase. Bands I discover get my money in concert tickets and maybe even a t-shirt at their show, which makes them far more money than selling their CD would.

I can see a movie ticket stub right now on my desk.

So they’d rather make it all illegal and I just go without instead of continuing to buy their shit? If I don’t pirate I won’t find things I like which means I’m not buying much, if anything. Piracy is one of the only things that drives me to purchase things these days.

These companies are dumb. And jerks. Figure out how the world works these days and make money from that, don’t try to change human nature.
Cool Beans

Man I like those logos, can we steal them?
BadMoJo

Do you remember the movie that came out this summer called Blank.
It was done buy some people on their own and they have been selling it on the net.
http://www.blank-movie.com/
It’s a so so movie but I bought it anyways and you should to.
Give your money to the little guys and more will follow.
That’s one way to hurt the big money pockets out there.
Deville

Share, don’t steal leech. I support this.

…
Dont know

Share = not stealing
MM99

The petition is in Norwegian so I had to use Google Translator.
However, they did not justify any single reason of how it is affecting them or making their existence miserable. It was like threatening that if you don’t put an end to this now, we are going to………not support you and will MAKE MOVIES THAT DESTROY YOUR REPUTATION!

Perhaps I went too far coz I don’t know if there is a hidden pdf with their justifications on their site but if there is, please tell me….
hello

i dont live in norway, but hopefully this initiative wont do well
PlopIt’sFudge

I got an idea let’s start a petition against all the ways these jackoff companies try to screw us on their overpriced bug filled product.
.neo.styles|nvDX

Ban Libraries. That is copyrighted material they are offering and nobody is paying. Thieves, the whole lot.

That’s not the same. Every book in there is copyrighted and that’s why the library had to receive permission from the publisher to let people borrow their books.

Share = not stealing

People are always going to favor calling it sharing, because it sounds much more positive than stealing. ..But stealing is what you are doing. If you aren’t paying for it, then you are stealing. It’s just like shoplifting except the fact that the medium in question combined with today’s technology allows you to make copies, instead of removing a physical product. Copying something, in effect, is the same thing as stealing a physical product. You are enjoying the work of somone else without giving anything to them.

Boycott the enemies of democracy:

RIAA:Warner Music (US), EMI (Britain), Vivendi Universal (France) Sony BMG (Japan and Germany)

MPAA: Time Warner, Viacom, Fox, Sony, NBC Universal, Disney.

Could we be a bit more senationalistic, please? Enemies of democracy? The way, I see it, working hard and earning a living from what you do are American ideasls. Lazilly sitting around and stealing anything you want off the internet and then blaming others is… well… How are they enemies of democracy? In democracy, everyone matters. Under the pirate system, only the consumers matter. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me. Oh right, they’re evil, let me guess? What you have probabaly done is much worse than anything they have.

Downloading copyrighted stuff is an copyright infringement, not stealing, so it seems we are allowed to download too :)

And that makes it okay? The fact that you can indulge in rampant piracy somehow makes copyright infringement trivial? Just because you can “share” means that paying for things went of style.

Copyright infringement IS stealing.

Theft involves depriving someone of personal property. This is not related to sharing in any way.

You are. Except in the digital age, the propety in question can be copied and distributed without removing a physical product. You are also depriving said person of the opportunity to profit from their work and grow as a business.
so

This means if i rent a dvd and then lend it to my brother im breaching copyright and should be put away right!
Also if i go to the library and take out a good book read it then lend it to my brother before taking it back again im breaking the copyright laws ?
It makes no sense but then again greed makes no sense but the corporations insist on keep doing it…
HA

The problem with all of this.. is of course the fact the nature of file sharing in itself incompatible with the “Stealing”.

For something to have been stolen, the item in question must no longer be in possession of the owner.

That can’t be said for Digital Copies.

Thus, the petition fails.
pan_2@LJ

rock’n'roll against drugs, bees against honey…
xpat06

MM99, your post #79 is correct. They really are trying to most of all stop the people who would download or copy then sell. There was a UiB (University of Bergen, Norway) that should young people who download are more likely to buy.

The Norwegian general election is in about two weeks so the petition is hoping to take advantage of this time. It says that just because so many people do it we should not legalize it. They are also against an idea that has been set forth by one party that file-sharing be legalized and the various companies of copy-written material receive government compensation or subsidy. They do not feel that it is appropriate use of public funds. They are asking that the political parties join together against said proposal.

It will fail to gain general acceptance.
Legal Lowtech DDoS

Everyone reload the “dele – ikke stjele (share whit your friends)” page starting form 06:00 or whenever yout get up and make the page as slow as hell… Make every effort you can to make this onsided shit go down… Make them pay as much as possible for their bandwidth… Make it go away…

Can someone please make a small app that makes users able to participate in electronic sitdowns at the sites one chooces to protest against…
MM99

Speaking of piracy, I saw a guy selling copies the other day. Among those copies(mostly copyrighted), there were:
Trackmania Nations
Ubuntu Linux 9.something
And game emulators,roms and what not…

Freeware being sold?(The roms are not though)
Those people are the real ‘pirates’. Selling even freeware..
Anon y mous

The record and movie companies are the real criminals.

Long live sharing!!!!!
5318008

Here’s a stance for you: If you don’t like us sharing files, go suck a donkey.
Xcel

Dont be shocked, but im old enough to remember 8 tracks, When cassets hit the market, and casset recorders, this is exactly when this whole business of piracy began, before the internet had barely started, the corporate pigs were pissed then that we had the ability to “Copy” and share something that we purchased from the store…
And still, they give us the same abilities with video, DVR’s, TIVO, VCR’s etc…
They sell us the means to copy whatever form of media that we care to, then they bitch whine and complain when we actually do it…

Now I do agree, if you are profiting from someone elses hard work, then that *IS piracy, but if you are downloading something for your own personal enjoyment, or even making a copy for a close friend or 2 then you are NOT pirating/profiting in the least and they really have no basis to accuse you of piracy…

One of my favorite sayings is..
If nothing is missing, how the hell can you accuse me of stealing!…
ratero

They will have to pry my files from my cold dead hands.
DigChrono

When the printingg press was first invented, it was treated the way piracy is now; condemned by the ruling party and most other people.

Go to a book store, thats the result of the printing press.
Anonymous

lets make a petition too,I bet we’ll totally get more people to sign
yupp

And who is the multi-millionaire?
Whiny pricks.
IFPI

We lead such sad lives, that we have to do crazy sh1t like this in order to get noticed by the people around us. Otherwise, we’d just be a bunch of no-lifers that breathe down peoples necks for listening to music too damn loud.
Anonymouses

Well said #1 #34 #50 #68 #83 #96 and finally #97

This is nothing short of bullshit. There trying to get the government to side with *THEIR* Definition of piracy. Which in there case is sharing files with other members of the planet earth. Yes and as 96 said they want us to stop yet we have they give us the means too be able to share files. You would think they would try to get in on the action with the companies that make the new technology that gives us the ability. OOOHHH wait they do so all around they trying to with us from both sides. In the Word of #1 on this page *Fuck’em They can Stop Us*
umm

ummm… I am sharing already when u use p2p…

A big part of the problem is in how you define sharing.
starship

And we can build this dream together
Standing strong forever
Nothings gonna stop us now.

Aye matey!!!
Anonymous

Jesus was a stealer too. :o
RIAA fan

“Legal file sharing is good. Illegal file sharing is theft”

WT* is that? Old communist and nazis would be proud of your neologism and propaganda, guys. Pathetic…

What does it mean really. That if I but a movie I can share it, upload it, spread it? Or does it mean that I need your approval to share something? Both explanations lack of fundamental logic and ethics.

Share it’s fair. No matter if it’s ‘legal’ or not. Because sharing is caring.
Sir-Real

LOL @17
i totally agree.
Anonymous

They don’t know much. To be successful a circus needs more than just clowns.
headofRIAAmustdie

“Legal file sharing is good…”

LM FUKING MAO . how r we supposed to share when u assh0les sue us for $1M for sharing 1 file.

fuk off. srsly
Ok Ok I’ll stop file-sharing

Over my dead body!

All those who signed the petition can suck on ma big .. BANANA!
johannesfaust

It is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you are ……. morons, and
that you should please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons.

Please also note that your e-mail and letter will be published in full on
http://www.thepiratebay.org.

Go fuck yourself.

Polite as usual,
anakata

http://static.thepiratebay.org/dreamworks_response.txt
Anonymous

Do you know that Jesus was copying and sharing copyrighted bread illegaly?
time traveling white rabbit

@1 – sums it up quite nicely.

here i thought norway was kvlt…
all +1750 artist can go to helvete…

i download and delete so much crap this past year that its saved me thousands of dollars. im very rarely ”entertained” by the crap these so called ”artists” put out. these groups, musicians,movie makers,ect…need to take a long look at what their producing and realize that 90% of it is uninspired,unoriginal,bilge. cry poor, i dont care,youve still make billions of dollars every year regardless of p2p. yet ive been laid off this past winter and cannot afford their prices for entertainment
so if im poor and all my money goes to bills and food then i dont deserve to be entertained…thats only for rich spoiled greedy elitists.
if i still had my job i still wouldnt purchase any thing though.
HTCowboy

Information is & always will remain free. Fuck them all bring it on.
d[iO]nysus

I was actually going to go spend money on seeing District 9 because based on Alive in Joburg, I thought it was going to be THAT good. Fortunately, I downloaded it first. Saved myself $12 on PIECE OF CRAP movie.
(w)

I have to ask myself a question: Why the hell is it copyright holders, record, movie, TV and games companies, not authors, composers, actors or singers, who should be logically the first to cry?
Andreas

“Just because everyone is doing it, it doesn’t mean to say that the practice should be legalized.”

Actually it does. That’s why it’s called democracy.
Mined.se

things like this makes me wanna roll my eyes and hope for their best that they’ll stop doing these stupid things. As we all have said a million times, use other business models, learn from radiohead, learn from the pirate bay community and learn from this site.
Anonymous

The solution independent of the laws is just not buying nothing from them and not using their services.

We don’t need more trackers we need more Jamendo style sites that only put up liberal licenses so if you want to be heard you will have to give it away.

This is another front on this war, the opensource community already showed the way to do it and make some money along the way.

Don’t buy from those who want to hurt you, pirate if you have to, but change your consume habits to stirr the market in a more healthy direction if you can that is the best way to win because there is nothing absolute nothing they could do short of instating taxes which many can object to.
RoestVrijStaal

“Share, not Steal”
…
We already share torrentpieces all the time, we have never stolen anything unlike leechers :þ
Anonymous

Lord Mandelson

“taking something for nothing, without permission, and with no compensation for the person who created and owns it, is wrong.”

Well so millions of radio listeners are thieves too not counting millions of TV viewers LoL
Jan Schotsmans

The artists etc’s livelihood isn’t threatened, their ancient business models are.

There’s plenty of new publishers and old artists that have embraced the digital age and are making just as much money as before. If not more, since they are able to cut away about 10 layers of bloat the old media giants pad every sale with.
Anonymous

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86928/german-pirate-party-to-win-several-seats-in-germany/

By the looks of it Germans said enough is enough and are voting Pirate Party all the way LoL

I hope in the U.K. the pirate party flourish too and soon as God knows britons are in dire need of privacy protection.
lulz

at least they are doing it more right this time :p
4nd

I support filesharing as much as the next peer- which anyone who has read any of my posts should know- but I’ve recently come to a conclusion that this bit of news helps support.

It is my opinion, one shared by a lot of people online, that the record labels and publishing companies and such are constantly committing acts of evil. They draw their life force- artists, authors, and such- in with promises of fame and glory, and they lock them into contracts that keep them from signing up with anyone else. They take the copyrights to the artists’ works, sell copies of those works, and pay the artists themselves next to nothing. This alone, in light of our modern technology, can be construed as evil, but I’ve only gotten started. When you think of all the other bullshit they push- DRM, blaming any and all drop in sales on filesharing, attacking filesharing despite record profits, that ‘work for hire’ business, lobbying and buying laws, pushing to be able to pull away more and more of our freedoms as a general public… and the kicker: this is all in the interests of their profits. Perfectly fits my definition of evil.

The simplest solution to this problem of festering evil is one that many people on TF recommend: Ignore ‘em. Refusing to buy their movies and music and such is certainly great, but it also helps not to even share them. To share something is to acknowledge that it has value, and the evil tactics practiced by these corporations are enough incentive for me to no longer regard their merchandise as valuable. If people were to stop sharing these things (and I know it won’t happen; I’m just dropping my two cents on here), and if people were to stop buying these things (a bit more likely; cross your fingers), they will die. Oh, they might try to push through absolutely totalitarian laws, more so than they have, while claiming that they’re dying because of p2p, before they die; but they will eventually buy the farm. After that new industries can arise, ones that work with the customers, not against them, and focus on keeping the customers happy, not treating them like criminals.

The existence of such organizations as Creative Commons proves to us that you don’t need draconian copyright in order to write songs and movies and books. Creativity would not die tomorrow if suddenly everyone started to share everything they had. In fact, works that are licensed to be shared are far better to use than works that are not, both because these works promote the spirit of sharing and because you won’t run into any legal troubles while downloading them. I don’t run Windows anymore; I use free software. I don’t download CDs from BitTorrent anymore; I download CC-licensed music. And honestly I’ve not suffered from it.

Again, I’m definitely a p2p supporter. I simply can’t support the commercial organizations that act in this way, and are, without a doubt, evil.

Finally, @MM99:

Speaking of piracy, I saw a guy selling copies the other day. Among those copies(mostly copyrighted), there were:
(…)
-Ubuntu Linux 9.something

It’s legal to sell free software. Not the best business model, but it’s legal.
TerribleTony

Insubordination with be dealt with harshly! Do not disobey your masters. We will control all that you see and hear.
greylion

What are the odds, that some of those 1750+ artists, musicians, etc. have never signed this petition?
Think about it

@ 90 Sep 01, 2009 at 00:32 by .neo.styles|nvDX

You seem to be neglecting the public domain. Suppose you want to get paid for that too? Why is it that the one’s whining all the time are the ones that make money from other people’s work? We know who the real thieves are.

And I see you still haven’t done your homework.
.neo.styles|nvDX

I give up, you win.

I am a jerk. I know that.
Ninja

LoL @ neo.styles

You fail. I download and if like I buy. If I don’t download I don’t buy. You, MAFIAA and merry friends don’t seem to get the point so you FAIL. Miserably.

I do hope this failure of an industry, not to mention disgusting for its actions, go down the hill and vanish for good.

Or you could stop being a bunch of imbeciles and start evolving and working with the people you are criminalizing. People that are some of the heaviest consumers of your products.

…

Assholes.
uknowme

Don’t price fix.

Don’t corrupt politics with excessive copyright durations.

Don’t profiteer from dead artists.

Don’t blame p2p for losses that are really attributed to expenditure shifting to other media such as videogames, etc.

Don’t make out file-sharers are losing you profit when studies show the damage caused is statistically insignificant (and almost indistinguishable from zero percent)

Don’t try to ruin people’s lives over 30 f**king songs to make an example out of them in your misguided attempts to sue (and subsequently alienate) the consumer.

…then come lecture us about stealing!!!

Until then you’ll continue to be considered by the millions of us that do share, nothing.. apart from MAFIAA pricks.

Have a nice day!
MM99

@128 4nd

Thanks for commenting. If as you say it is legal, then clear this up for me:

1)I have read some freeware licenses which state that the free software in question must not be sold and charging for them is illegal.

2)But further down, it is written that if there are costs involved in distributing the software to others like burning it on a disk for instance, then you can charge for that. However, you must not charge for the software itself.

From this, I get that you may charge for the costs involved in passing that software to others but not for the software. On wikipedia, Freeware is without involving cost(for the user). If it is sold, it is no longer freeware and it violates the license. Please explain on what basis you have said that selling freeware is legal.
MM99

@128 4nd
If by ‘free software’ you meant open-source, then you are right. I just checked it on various sites.

In the previous reply, I thought you said that for freeware. Sorry anyways…
Hom3r

Theft is defined as:
“the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another”

I’d like to know what exactly are we taking and carrying away.
All I see are copies being made.
TurtleSoup

“Systematic and organized”? This is the world on the internet, not a mafioso.
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Trelew

(sigh) nothing but propaganda from the corporate suits and their lackeys. In the end they will get what they want because they can control governments to do what they want. It’s pretty frellin’ sad
Anonymous

intellectual property law is a detriment to progress and should be abolished. the free exchange of ideas will serve humanity better.
AnonPB

I have the damn solution!

The greed monsters can lower the prices.

DVD = 8 bucks
CD = 5 bucks
iTunes song = 5 cents
Games = 10 bucks

Do this and file sharring will be gone. And you will make a bunch of money.

What’s that? Not enough money? Arg…..swab the deck!
koko

i wonder if there could be some kind of rating by an independent institution f.e. for movies, if it comes to their ‘quality and value’ of being rather not piratebayed…(?) i am indeed willing to pay a small amount for good movies of decent firms, but i am not willing for hollywood-crap and/or the monster-firms operating there… or extremely bad actors (as f.e. brad pittbull)

maybe i should set up such an rating institution (?)
ravensky

I would highly suggest and additional tax be placed on all blank media, cd dvd etc say along with copy devices. I personally cant say as to how much it should be taxed and how should be divided.

Things arent as clear cut as they used to be in the day of the 9800 baud modems , where bbs boards were mostly local and things were shared at way, the internet has become to huge to oversee and control, or when you wanted to share your copy of windows 3.11 you went to your friends house with a ton of floppy disks.

Companies are global money comes from everywhere and not only that but you have companies that follow a business model that makes little to no sense at all.

Sony
produces music and movies
produces blank media
produces the devices to copy
produces televisions

now you corner a whole market. provide everything and then complain when people are doing exactly what you wanted from the start.

everyone here has made some great points in regards to what theft is and ideas how to stop it. reality is as long as someone has it someone else wants it. I would place 100 dollars to bet that even if you didnt have to buy something all you needed to do was sign your name, there are those who would still steal it.

not to sound or make humanity sound horrid but we are all selfish and greedy people , we covet and desire anything that we dont have or cant get on our own.

maybe I went a tad off topic but in the end no matter what laws, rules or compromises are made greed will still run all business ideas and decisions and greed will still keep all kinds of theft going.

imo people dont want to pay for inferior goods nor an inferior service. how many times are you going to watch the same movies, gone in 60 seconds!! same movie or buy starwars over and over again. Hell I have 6 copies all slightly differnt. music is especially horrid point, lets all buy that new band that sounds like that other band or heck stick with your favorite band and but the best of hits, greatest hits, and the archival compilation of them. The big 4 wonder why no one want to purchase music well maybe come up with some original music not the same old cookie cutter crap.

I download movies because of the cost of the theatre 9 bucks a pop, plus candy and snacks, you also have to deal with the people who talk phones, nasty spill food all over and the crowds, or I can sit at home, watch the same movie from my livingroom, off my 62in plasma, being able to hit pause, or go do whatever I want,

I download music why because I dont listen to the radio, same song every 20 min, and every station sounds the same, or doesnt even play the type of music I like. I dont buy it at stores because half the time I have to special order it, or I have to deal with people who dont even understand what you want.

I dont watch tv because of all the commercials one has to sift through. Pay 80 bucks a month for like 500 channels and find nothing to watch.

I can only assume there are others who feel the same way as I do, all these corporate entities are the ones who imo forced me to go my route and find alternatives that suit my needs and desires. After all I am human and well I live in the now generation , everything my way right away when I want.
basement dweller

“Legal file sharing is good.”

I wonder how they define this. What would be legal sharing???
A Victim

It is such a shame that one actually has to create a petition to ask for basic property rights. The masasive violation of rights by pirates shows a major decline in morality. I look at the extreme greed in these posts, the complete lack of respect for the rights of others and can only shake my head.
Dave

145: Information != property. Property rights are derived from the idea that any given item can be owned by only one entity at a given time. Depriving someone of property is the definition of theft.

I cannot deprive you of a piece of information you created.

Copyright, in fact, is an attempt to do just that: depriving people of the right to do what they want with information they have acquired. Copyright has much more in common with theft than does piracy.
Greg

@4:
Democrats: Against
Republicans: Against

Solution: Don’t vote for either.

(That is, of course, assuming you’re American)
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