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DRM Needs To Be Banned Because It’s Toxic

With the European Greens’ adoption of the Pirate perspective on the copyright monopoly, I have received a few questions from entrepreneurs, the copyright industry lobby, and libertarians why we want to ban Digital Restrictions Management. It’s a good question that deserves a good answer.

First of all, DRM is a type of fraud that robs citizens of their lawful rights. The copyright monopoly is chock full of exceptions that allow copying in many circumstances; DRM takes no notice of this whatsoever but establishes and enforces a superset of restrictions that goes well above and beyond those of the law.

Therefore, to begin with, a ban on DRM can be seen as a form of consumer protection.

Second, it doesn’t matter if Parliament writes laws — which is its job — if corporations can rewrite those laws at their own leisure with the help of technology. It is also Parliament’s job to make sure that writing laws remains Parliament’s job, and in particular, that it doesn’t bend over to the wishes of a special interest.

But while these two points are important, the third is the most important of all. Libertarians, in particular, have asked me why an open and honest goods declaration and a legal right to circumvent DRM isn’t enough. If people want to buy DRM-defective goods which are clearly declared to be so, and corporations want to sell them, then what is the problem?

Let me illustrate by drawing parallels — as I often do — to the shift in attitude that followed the rise of the Greens 40 years ago.

A few years ago, the European Union banned lead. As in “banned lead, period”. You can find the stamp “RoHS” on many electronics products, which is short for “Reduction of Hazardous Substances”. As the solder needed to create circuit boards in all our electronics was a mixture of molten lead and tin, every piece of electronics manufacture on the planet needed to be retooled, recalibrated, reinvented. It was a huge undertaking, as the replacement lead-free solder had different operating temperatures, which in turn put new stresses on the boards and long-term stability, and so on.

So let’s ask the same question. If a technically savvy corporation argues that it is sound engineering and profitable business to use lead in electronics (which it is), and people want to buy the electronics that contain lead, then what is the problem?

It is exactly the same problem as with DRM.

As a politician, I have other concerns than sound engineering and profitable businesses. It is my job — it is my damn responsibility — to take a larger view and look ahead, decades ahead, generations ahead. I fully support the ban on lead for this reason. And it is the same reason that I support a ban on DRM.

It is toxic. DRM is toxic. Just like lead. And needs to be banned for exactly the same reasons.

DRM poisons the free flow, analysis, remix, and usage of information. It requires a very specific set of conditions to operate, conditions that won’t exist five or ten years into the future. (Have you tried playing a five-year-old DRM-defective game?) It poisons the information ecosystem.

As the free exchange of TICKs — Tools, Ideas, Culture, and Knowledge — is essential to the industries, citizens and social life of the next generation, I fully support banning a practice that outright poisons the ecosystem where this exchange needs to thrive.

The Greens supported banning freon in their early days and banning lead recently, despite both substances being good engineering, good business, and attrative end-user products. This is the way it should be, and this is why I support banning DRM. There are other concerns that take precedence in lawmaking than short-term profits.

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  • Izkata

    That last paragraph seems really out-of-place, as though it was meant to lead in to more stuff that was cut from the end of the post, then re-worded slightly..

    • http://falkvinge.net/ Rick Falkvinge

      Really? I wrote it as a wrap-up and conclusion; that you can’t justify policymaking by seeing what is profitable in the present.

      • RIAAtarded

        There in lies the rub. Policy is suppose to be in the best interest of the people that voted you into power. Instead it is being used to further entrench a flawed business model in an effort to maximize profits. You always suspect lobbyist trying to move forward their own agendas but rarely are they so blatant or on a global scale.

        • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

          Both policy AND Party have been hijacked by lobbyists as well as major cash contributors to Party or campaign funds.

          Who are those major donaters of cash to the Party coffers? Well feck me, big business is.
          And do they regularly give millions out of the kindness of their hearts because it’s the right thing to do? No, they do it expecting ‘a return’ in kind, by being permitted or even invited to contributing directly to policy-shaping and formulation.

          And what process do the voters have in all this? None. None whatsoever, yet our government’s have the audacity to claim we’re democratic and free … lol, yeah right.

          When the UK’s Lord Mandelsson (Labour Party) returned from visits with major ‘content industry’ chief execs on their yachts and at their holiday homes abroad, he miraculously and by sheer coincidence proposed a new law that would help protect the interest of the industry to the detriment of voters, freedom of speech, freedom of movement of information and a fascist régime of warning and disconnections from the internet as well as website-blocking.

          It’s still law today and it’s called the (despised) Digital Economy Act 2010.

        • Tidaltree

          >> Who are those major donaters of cash to the Party coffers? Well feck me, big business is.
          And do they regularly give millions out of the kindness of their hearts because it’s the right thing to do? No, they do it expecting ‘a return’ in kind, by being permitted or even invited to contributing directly to policy-shaping and formulation. <<

          The most interesting part (, at least in Germany) is, that the lobbyists get their donated money back, counting it against their taxes to pay. Thus indeed the taxpayers as a whole are paying to deepen the disadvantage of the lot.

    • http://falkvinge.net/ Rick Falkvinge

      Really? I wrote it as a wrap-up and conclusion; that you can’t justify policymaking by seeing what is profitable in the present.

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  • LacritiaEvans

    Good article. Just basic common sense really although many seem to lack it as profits seem to come ahead sometimes than sensibility or responsibility (environment, etc)

  • Anonymous

    This isn’t a good answer, He doesn’t explain what the problem with the DRM is, and reeks of bias. Be specific about the problems and give real-world examples, please.

    • http://falkvinge.net/ Rick Falkvinge

      Dear Oxwivi,

      you might as well have told the Greens that they haven’t adequately explained what the problem with lead (or mercury) is. I give three specific reasons in the article, along with real-world examples (a five-year-old game is typically unplayable today).

      Besides, of course I’m biased. That’s my whole point: presenting a perspective that needs exposure in order to counter the copyright monopoly lobby. Once it has that exposure, let the ideas win on their own merits.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, we’re all biased, but in cases such as this, it should be explained properly. I hate DRM as well, but the thing is I find this article unprofessional and doesn’t address what it needs to.

        You say that DRM locks down on data disregarding the copyright exceptions. Give an example as to what they are and how it will affect the freedom.

        By real-world example, I mean reference to an existing game that is suffering from DRM restrictions. And it’s not just five-year-old games either. Go to Ars Technica – http://arstechnica.com/ – and search for DRM. You will find examples of the hands-on issues they found with gaming restricted by DRM. They’re very new games as well.

        My point is explain properly what the problem is, point to solid examples, and note the adverse effect. Like how Ubisoft released DRM locked games despite promising otherwise only leading to bad PR and legal gamers suffering from bad performance – illegally cracked version offered much more better gaming experience.

        • Anonymous

          If DRM/TPM are given legal status and are illegal to circumvent, they have the potential to trump any codified copyright or lawful-access exemptions. The software, and therefore the DRM, can be updated/modified without any warning, again, in practice trumping any legal rights you might have to reasonable, private, or other legally-supported uses.

          We live in an age where people just click next on license terms that often include the ability to “update those terms from time to time”. This is a related, but independent issue, but one that illustrates a lack of consumer awareness, as mentioned in the articles opening paragraphs. At the very least there should be labeling standards like “RoHS” for software and DRM in order to protect consumers

          I agree that DRM is “toxic” (meaning destructive) of healthy, creative, collaborative, communities. There are many examples. The Compaq/IBM-compatible clone market (an order of magnitude cheaper) never would have happened if they couldn’t reverse-engineer due to DRM. The printing press didn’t destroy the world either, even if it did undermine the authority of some people who had a monopoly on the content of certain ancient manuscripts.

          All progress is reuse, and the previous generation will always hold the next in contempt. Damn teenagers anyway… The business case for DRM isn’t as simple as “artists have rights” and the “intellectual property”/”imaginary property” metaphor, despite that often being used to polarize the debate. A lock on a copy on my computer, in my home, is nothing like a lock on your home that holds all your worldly possessions and secrets. I have a right to copy as much as you have a right to privacy, but we usually confuse the two.

          Creator rights do not trump consumers. Every creator is also, and was first, a consumer. IMHO, we have to allow for the unforseeable (Compaq, printing press, Wikipedia, …) in spite of “creator rights” like copyright and patents. We should be encouraging reuse, not limiting it. We all benefit. It is the responsibility of creators to respond to a real need, not to sustain a need to preserve unearned/forecasted profits. Business is risky and business models have to reflect that. It is not fair to use a current position to block alternatives to your business. We have laws against anti-competitive and monopoly tactics. DRM is toxic to innovation in the same way monopolies are toxic to business. That’s the definition of copyright: a government-sanctioned monopoly.

          DRM is anti-competitive, plain and simple and this whole copyright thing has gone too far. Innovation is suffocated under patents and 100+ copyright terms — it’s the same as “never”, on the Internet. We can’t wind back time with DRM and it is wrong to try.

        • Anonymous

          If DRM/TPM are given legal status and are illegal to circumvent, they have the potential to trump any codified copyright or lawful-access exemptions. The software, and therefore the DRM, can be updated/modified without any warning, again, in practice trumping any legal rights you might have to reasonable, private, or other legally-supported uses.

          We live in an age where people just click next on license terms that often include the ability to “update those terms from time to time”. This is a related, but independent issue, but one that illustrates a lack of consumer awareness, as mentioned in the articles opening paragraphs. At the very least there should be labeling standards like “RoHS” for software and DRM in order to protect consumers

          I agree that DRM is “toxic” (meaning destructive) of healthy, creative, collaborative, communities. There are many examples. The Compaq/IBM-compatible clone market (an order of magnitude cheaper) never would have happened if they couldn’t reverse-engineer due to DRM. The printing press didn’t destroy the world either, even if it did undermine the authority of some people who had a monopoly on the content of certain ancient manuscripts.

          All progress is reuse, and the previous generation will always hold the next in contempt. Damn teenagers anyway… The business case for DRM isn’t as simple as “artists have rights” and the “intellectual property”/”imaginary property” metaphor, despite that often being used to polarize the debate. A lock on a copy on my computer, in my home, is nothing like a lock on your home that holds all your worldly possessions and secrets. I have a right to copy as much as you have a right to privacy, but we usually confuse the two.

          Creator rights do not trump consumers. Every creator is also, and was first, a consumer. IMHO, we have to allow for the unforseeable (Compaq, printing press, Wikipedia, …) in spite of “creator rights” like copyright and patents. We should be encouraging reuse, not limiting it. We all benefit. It is the responsibility of creators to respond to a real need, not to sustain a need to preserve unearned/forecasted profits. Business is risky and business models have to reflect that. It is not fair to use a current position to block alternatives to your business. We have laws against anti-competitive and monopoly tactics. DRM is toxic to innovation in the same way monopolies are toxic to business. That’s the definition of copyright: a government-sanctioned monopoly.

          DRM is anti-competitive, plain and simple and this whole copyright thing has gone too far. Innovation is suffocated under patents and 100+ copyright terms — it’s the same as “never”, on the Internet. We can’t wind back time with DRM and it is wrong to try.

        • Toast

          I do not see you giving any examples to what “properly” would exactly be. Yeah we can search ars for their articles. No problem. But trolling and complaining isn’t the answer. The article was alright and related to real world issues, examples of a game…. just search ars you seem to be good at that..

        • Toast

          I do not see you giving any examples to what “properly” would exactly be. Yeah we can search ars for their articles. No problem. But trolling and complaining isn’t the answer. The article was alright and related to real world issues, examples of a game…. just search ars you seem to be good at that..

        • Anonymous

          @Toast I neither said we should troll nor complain, but point at real-world consequences. I think the Ars articles gives a pretty good idea about all the crap legit gamers are suffering through.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Let’s say, hypothetically, that you own a DVD/Blu-ray/Game that you really love and watch a lot. Let us assume, hypothetically (because there’s no way this happens on a daily base), that you decide to take a copy of that media to keep the original safe and in good conditions – preserved. There, DRM won’t allow you to do it.

          But wait, let us think, hypothetically, that you wish to have a copy of the media to keep at your girlfriend’s place so you can play without having to carry the original around risking to lose it somewhere. Again, DRM won’t allow it.

          But wait, it gets better. Let us suppose, very hypothetically, that you found a very interesting DVD on your trip to France (and you happen to speak French to a degree you can understand them speaking) and then you decide to buy and play it at home, let’s say, in the American continent. DRM will, yet again, prevent you from watching at home because it isn’t the right region.

          Of course those are all hypothetical situations that have never happened to me. Or to any1.

          And then we come to Rick’s article. Remix. Nobody ever makes compilations of parts of copyrighted works to create new works such as music videos and, bingo!, DRM prevents one from freely working with material they own to make new derivative works that will most likely fall under fair use.

          Despite the fact that MAFIAA hates fair use.

          You see, my friend, Rick gave solid examples. And there are plenty more out there. His point stands despite any ‘lack’ of solid evidence. Please, take the word ‘lack’ I just used with a grain of salt and irony.

        • Anonymous

          @Ninja, the examples you’ve given are not far-fetched. And you elaborated on what freedom that DRM will restrict, that is the thing Rick has sadly not done.

      • Servant Of The Man

        Now since you seem quite reasonable, what’s your stance on Dreadful Warming and the policies around it? Is there some existing post you have written on the subject you could point me to? Thank you!

    • Pistolparty12o

      One instance is a game that came out around 2002 called ‘Neverwinter Nights’ which to this day I still pay online. The game came with the DRM called SecuRom which prevented anyone from playing without the CD. But for about a year during which Bioware supported the game, players kept getting error messages from SecuRom saying the game was unplayable even with the CD in the drive. Many people complained and forums were filled angry posts calling to boycott Bioware and all of its games. Pirates using hacked .exe. files had no problems. In the end, Bioware made the decision to remove the protection completely for everyone, and people could play again. But the game still requires a set of CD keys to play, which is only asked once and prevented two people with the same key from playing together.

      All DRM did was piss off the legitimate players and help lose a percentage of fan base. If you want DRM in your product, just ask yourself how many customers you are willing to sacrifice… is 50% enough?

      • Anonymous

        Exactly, DRM only bothers legit paying customers. Pirates play with hacked .exe files and are not bothered with whatever the software maker puts in for protection.

  • Justathought

    Actually, by your reasoning, it is still fine to keep the DRM on initial release, but then force the publisher to remove said DRM after 6-12 month.
    Just a thought…

    • http://falkvinge.net/ Rick Falkvinge

      This solution, while it may be workable in theory, fails the “necessary, effective and proportionate” test for lawmaking. It would neither be effective nor proportionate.

      Cheers,
      Rick

    • Reader

      I would not buy the product aslong as DRM in it, so it’s 100% lost sales from me personally. Granted, it’s at a loss to me, but I’m not going to give up my freedoms and future of entertainment because of some company’s overpaid analysts tells them that they can get more money for nothing! ¬_¬

    • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

      Hi!

      This may work in theory, just like Rick said (Btw, great article!), but how would you imagine removing DRM from a 6 month old CD/DVD/Blu-Ray which I have bought in a store and is gathering dust in my shelf? I may play it in a year or two and in that time it may become unplayable because of how technology moves forward.

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  • http://chimel.myopenid.com/ Chimel

    Lead is a natural product that’s been in use for thousands of years.
    A better comparison might be PCB dioxins, a class of deadly toxic electrical coolants created artificially and recently by a greedy corporation, Monsanto.
    I might say created just as unnaturally as DRM, by mixing petrol by-products with chlore… ^-^

    The comparison does not end here, DRM also generates wastes in the form of these locked-in media files that are useless to anybody after they’ve been used, when the DRM server disappears, or as the media player technology evolves, or from many other causes.
    And just like PCBs created an after-market of specialized depolluting companies, DRM also created an unneeded artificial market of anti-DRM drivers and rippers.

    Wow, I think you hit the analogy jackpot, Rick! ^-^

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Not to worry about any of those difficulties Chimel as I’m sure the parent-company will happily refund you in full if they can’t allow you to access YOUR property that you’d paid for (ie the item that you purchased in the understanding that you exchanged cash for property and for rent.)

      The same applies to parent-companies who produced and distributed billions of songs and movies on vinyl or tape, etc. You’ve paid for the product already, why pay for it again and again and again?

  • http://upphovstratan.wordpress.com/ Tor

    “Second, it doesn’t matter if Parliament writes laws — which is its job — if corporations can rewrite those laws at their own leisure with the help of technology.”

    I find this particular argument a bit funny coming from the pirate movement since pirates normally have a high degree of acceptance for citizens who do the same, i.e. route around laws using technology. Now citizens and corporations are not the same thing, but still…

    Anyway, thanks for the interesting article. Borrowing terms from mathematics I guess one could say that consumers and corporations are trying to find a local (in terms of time and the number of parties involved) optimum whereas some politicians such as yourself are trying to find a global optimum.

  • http://travismccrea.com Travis McCrea

    Cross Posted from Falkvinge.net:
    As a free speech activist, and a person who finds software development a form of speech, I would like to amend this idea to this:
    DRM should not be something that is protected by law, but not banned. Consumers, however, should have the right to know what they are buying.

    I hate DRM as much as the next guy, but you cannot disallow for someone to write code. This would also block just the idea of creating DRM systems, and just as some coders like to break DRM for education, others like to create it for the same reason.

    On the topic of DRM products that you buy, it *COULD* be a law that the website specifically lists the type of DRM used, before you purchase it. This way the consumer knows what they are getting.

    • Johnny Galatikitis

      “I hate DRM as much as the next guy, but you cannot disallow for someone to write code.”

      Really? viruses, malware, rootkits – all of these together make DRM.

    • http://falkvinge.net/ Rick Falkvinge

      It is not the creation of the tool that should be illegal; it never was in any case. It is its usage in a destructive manner.

      Just as is the case with all other tools.

      • http://falkvinge.net/ Rick Falkvinge

        “Usage in a destructive manner” in a DRM context, to clarify, is using any encryption technology to construct a Digital Restrictions Management-defective product and offering it for sale, to the public, or similar.

    • Michael S

      I think what you’re focusing on has more to do with implementation, where Falkvinge was just talking policy.

      The only reason DRM has any real weight at all is because of the legal protections. Removing those protections sounds like a good way of “banning” it to me.

    • Anonymous

      If the DRM is not banned /as fully forbidden/ it will allow companies to promote it by artificial price management. As it happened. If for example they sell a DRM-ed song for a dollar, and not protected one for 10… you see. And nobody can prevent this to happen. So it will never be free market with fair concurrence between protected and unprotected variants of the goods.

    • Anonymous

      If the DRM is not banned /as fully forbidden/ it will allow companies to promote it by artificial price management. As it happened. If for example they sell a DRM-ed song for a dollar, and not protected one for 10… you see. And nobody can prevent this to happen. So it will never be free market with fair concurrence between protected and unprotected variants of the goods.

  • foff

    The logic here sucks. Freon and lead are health are environmental issues drm is not. Drm has not stopped remixes or any form of sharing. The only thing drm does is stop the technologically challenged from making copies and increases repeat sales.

    The laws that are lacking here is a warranty on disks or whatever replaces them. If copyrights last a hundred plus years then why shouldn’t they give a warranty on disks or whatever is on them. Don’t consumers deserve some protection in this area? If I buy a game or movie or music and the disk becomes damaged why shouldn’t it be replaced at minimal cost? As long as I have an original the manufacturer should replace it for the cost of the material in the disk (about .50 cents.)

    The point is there is no incentive to produce digital material that has a long life because the cheaper the disk more repeat sales are possible. The consumer has no protection in this area. If you have not made a copy of your original and it gets damaged from normal use your only legal option is to repurchase it at the original price. They want copyrights to last forever so why shouldn’t the consumer be equally protected. If a new format comes out shouldn’t he be entitled to exchange the old format for the new one? After all now that digital is king no new format will ever improve on quality in any significant way. Regardless of changes in storage medium the sound or video will remain mostly the same.

    Think of it this way if law makers passed laws that required producers to replace disks for as long as the copyright was in place then I bet the copyright industry would suddenly want a lot shorter copyrights as they would not want to be on the hook for replacing disks or whatever for the next 100 years.

    • Jctennis

      FANTASTIC idea!

    • Michael S

      It’s a good idea, but you rely on the definition of “ownership” of the media in question. If you can solve that battle of convincing everyone you completely “own” your media in this way, you’ve already abolished the producer’s copyright.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Actually, the lead and mercury examples are quite good. Or haven’t we seen a boom in samples and remixes that use a plethora of copyrighted material to compose new stuff? DRM is poisoning this yes. The freedom to do whatever you want with a content you legally own. It’s not a problem for my health you see, but it’s a problem for my freedom, for my property rights.

      Before lead was ban health wasn’t a concern. Maybe you don’t see what DRM affects as a concern today and that’s why you don’t see a problem. Still, your idea is superb ;)

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    Exactly right on DRM. It is toxic to the continuing of cultural handdown, to be blunt. So are copyrights more than 10 years, max. but that’s a different subject.

    DRM needs to be banned from everything and companies that used DRM need to release easy ways to REMOVE the DRM from their products.

  • Phil Landry

    Rick you should come to Canada and tell that to the Conservative Party. They are about to make a new law on copyright (BILL C-11) that would include the use of DRM and making circumventing them illegal.

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    DRM is like putting something in a box, and not letting you take it out, even after you bought the product. If we found things in stores, which couldn’t come out of their boxes, it would be a waste of physical space. There would be boxed items on the shelves which could be bought, but they couldn’t be used.
    This is the same with DRM products. They are a waste of virtual space. They are a waste of space within the computers, within networks. It is toxic to the network, because the products just take up space, and are unusable by most people.
    Downloading DRM products is also a waste of bandwidth; you are using bandwidth in order to get some product which only you can use, unless you have a DRM circumventing tool.
    I do not agree with outlawing the writing of DRM software; that is like outlawing encryption. However, it should maybe be illegal to put a product which has DRM into space on the internet. It’s like littering, or in our digital world, it can be compared to spamming.

  • No

    “There are other concerns that take precedence in lawmaking than short-term profits.”

    That is unamerican and practically terrorism. expect to be deported to Gitmo shortly. :)

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Only a year or two ago I would’ve lol’d at such a quip because this absurd idea was laughable, but today I merely raise an eyebrow in expectation of the MAFIAA lobbyists proposing this gets put into law.

      The ‘content industry’ are in a blind panic at their own failure to adapt to 21st century technology and social expectations. So I laugh no more at these fascist ideas and simply expect them to be implemented by the USA then exported Worldwide under threat of trade sanctions (as we’ve seen happen already),

      Ferkin depressing aint it?

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  • Thelolocaust

    I don’t like this example. I would much prefer to have lead based solder in my electronics. It is primarily due to the new lead-less solder in the xbox 360, and ps3 that red ring of death and yellow light of death occur. It doesn’t withstand heating and cooling as well, and develops micro cracks over a relatively short period. In our rush to create a more “green” product we have drastically lowered the quality of our latest generation of consoles.

    I share no love for DRM though, it is of no benefit to consumers whatsoever and therefore shouldn’t be in products. However I think it is corporations rights to cripple their own products in whatever manner they see fit, as long as it is also my right to uncripple or make any modifications I see fit. let the cat and mouse game continue!

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      You see, I do agree with you on the lead issue. As a matter of fact, you could keep using lead if every1 disposed of the circuits for recycling of the material (or at the very last the proper final destination) and the companies using lead should keep their waste waters and exhausts clean. This is obviously utopic.

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  • Armando

    From an author point of view your article sucks. DRM is a right of the author to protect their intellectual property. Piracy is theft. http://www.webali.eu

    • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

      Stop spamming douchewad.

      You calling it theft, doesn’t make it so. I realize you tools haven’t yet mastered the ability to accept any view outside your own yet, so I will pretend I fall into your definition.

      I’d rather be a thief than a moron who pays a corporation to fark me over.

      You keep bending over if thats what makes you happy, but the rest of us will not.

    • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

      Stop spamming douchewad.

      You calling it theft, doesn’t make it so. I realize you tools haven’t yet mastered the ability to accept any view outside your own yet, so I will pretend I fall into your definition.

      I’d rather be a thief than a moron who pays a corporation to fark me over.

      You keep bending over if thats what makes you happy, but the rest of us will not.

    • KnowledgeIsPower

      You know, I find it quite odd that in an age where information is literally within easy reach of your fingers and eyes, some people can still be absolutely dense about some things.

      “Piracy is theft.”

      No, it’s not.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling_v._United_States_(1985)

      That is the case, ruled on by the Supreme Court, that clearly and most definitively says copyright infringement is not theft. (Which is what piracy/file sharing is. Copyright infringement.)

      The exact quote that is relevant and the one that clearly shoots down your factually incorrect statement is as follows: “interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The infringer of a copyright does not assume physical control over the copyright nor wholly deprive its owner of its use. Infringement implicates a more complex set of property interests than does run-of-the-mill theft, conversion, or fraud.”

      So effectively, to sum it up, the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, says COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT IS NOT, AND WILL NEVER BE, THEFT.

      Also, TF did an article on this very matter awhile back. You can read it at the link below:

      http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-infringement-and-theft-%E2%80%93-the-difference-110827/

    • KnowledgeIsPower

      You know, I find it quite odd that in an age where information is literally within easy reach of your fingers and eyes, some people can still be absolutely dense about some things.

      “Piracy is theft.”

      No, it’s not.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling_v._United_States_(1985)

      That is the case, ruled on by the Supreme Court, that clearly and most definitively says copyright infringement is not theft. (Which is what piracy/file sharing is. Copyright infringement.)

      The exact quote that is relevant and the one that clearly shoots down your factually incorrect statement is as follows: “interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The infringer of a copyright does not assume physical control over the copyright nor wholly deprive its owner of its use. Infringement implicates a more complex set of property interests than does run-of-the-mill theft, conversion, or fraud.”

      So effectively, to sum it up, the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, says COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT IS NOT, AND WILL NEVER BE, THEFT.

      Also, TF did an article on this very matter awhile back. You can read it at the link below:

      http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-infringement-and-theft-%E2%80%93-the-difference-110827/

      • Ven

        If you read down that Wikipedia article, you will notice that the SC decided that “interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud.”

        For the love proper English realize that the above statement is not equivalent to saying that infringement is not theft. The SC made the decision that infringement was complicated to the point that general laws regarding theft were inadequate.

        Note also that Dowling didn’t even appeal the initial 9 counts of copyright infringement he was convicted of. What he did fight was an interstate transportation statute that was used to convict him falsely, because he was not transporting “Stolen, converted, or taken by fraud” materials, rather duplicated ones.

        Copyright law found him guilty; dated federal laws regarding interstate commerce couldn’t.

    • http://trueliberty.us icecycle66

      The best protection of your property is to not provide it to other people.

      • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

        … or as a copywrong holder try to sell it to people in return for cash or other favour yeah?

        The best protection a new artiste has against the copywrong cartel is to use the internet to spread their talents, and if enough people respond favourably, start to sell your works or ask for donations.

        The enemy of the budding artiste is not piracy or even the copywrong cartel – it’s anonymity.

    • Anonymous

      I understand and respect the desire to defend any investment of time and energy that was made with the intention of capitalizing on it, but I have to believe that private property rights trump imaginary property rights… I don’t want people telling me what I can do with my property in my own home, but DRM does that in very invasive ways.

      Would you really agree that a warranty label should be illegal to tear off? We’re not just talking about being excluded from manufacturer support, but it really being *illegal*, as in fines and police with search warrants, all because you posted pictures of the inside of a VCR online… Say goodbye to any “how to fix your iPhone” guides as well as the next generation of scientists, because they won’t be asking “how” anymore, since answering that would be illegal… The implications of DRM are are incredibly wide.

      As much as I want a stable economic environment in which to make capital investments, I think DRM is the wrong direction to take. We are ALL still adapting to the rapid increase in communication that occurred in the last 2 decades, but I’m not convinced the Internet will ever, or should necessarily be a place for “virtual economic investment”. It smells too imaginary, and why would we re-impose the constraints of real-life where there are none? It seems self-defeating. Why even invent the Internet just to leave it idle? I mean, there’s no need to limit copies, and no end to content, so why say “no” when we can say “yes”?. Even though YouTube and blogs are like the pulp-fiction of today, it doesn’t mean they’re bad – even if they’re not some people’s taste. Nor does it mean there won’t still be demand for a movie theater experience or a live performance. (I’m using movies, etc, but the analogy holds for other common products and services.) There is no loss of a market by the addition of a *new and different* market (the Internet). But, at the same time: it is not a given that the theater model CAN or should transfer to the Internet, where a copy can be instant, from anywhere, to anyone.

      The Internet is a different kind of place. It’s value to investors might be in marketing or word-of-mouth alone (I mean, it *is* a communication platform). Who’s to say it’s even a place for “information products”. It seems like a pretty big leap to me that a lot of people are feeling bad over things that were high-margin in a store being outright commodities on the Internet. There’s no reason to think they should transfer, OR that they are mutually destructive. They are just different. People still have bodies and houses and friends and products that give them very different experiences in real life than on the Internet. If the Internet is nothing but amateurs producing free/cheap content, so be it. We don’t have to burst in with guns and outlaw exploration or sharing because it’s products are different, and we shouldn’t expect to reproduce the real world, with all it’s limits, within this virtual one.

      Sharing and exploration are some really basic, and healthy, human behaviors that I think we should strive to expand wherever possible, and the Internet provides a place to do just that… Sharing and exploration are virtues in almost every context – except, it seems, on today’s Internet: where sharing is called piracy, and exploring is called hacking. I think something is wrong when the world is split along these lines.

      The Internet was a solution to a communication problem, but it’s a problem that a lot of people aren’t ready to let go of yet. IMHO, the Internet exists to facilitate sharing and intellectual exploration, but DRM opposes these values by restricting them. Since these values are at the very base of the Internet, DRM is simply out of place.

    • Ego

      I’m an author (game programmer). His shit makes a lot of perfect sense. I am a pirate also.

  • Anon

    There will always be property and a respect of that concept, there will always be trespassers who do not respect ownership and so there will always be locks in the real world. It’s time to get over yourself, Rick. You are yesterday’s news.

    • SF

      DRM is not comparable to a lock:

      a lock protects my property from thieves.

      DRM prevents my customers from using their property.
      If someone buys a copy of my software that copy is their property, copyright law restricts what they are able to do with their property in order to promote the creation of easily duplicated works (I consider this to be an acceptable tradeoff, as long as the interests are balanced (Which it currently is not).

      Given the scale of piracy it might still be beneficial to use DRM, but one has to always keep in mind that once it has been broken it will only hurt the paying customers, DRM reduces the value of your product and as such there should, at the very least be a legal obligation for distributors to inform the customers of any such restrictions in a clear way.

      The customers should at the very least know the following before purchase:

      1) Exactly what the restrictions are.
      2) How long the product will be supported and wether or not future versions of the supported platforms will be included in that support. (This is very important regardless of the existance of DRM)
      3) If the restrictions will be removed before support ends or once it has played out its role. (If restrictions won’t be removed before support ends it should be illegal to claim that the customer is buying the product and it should be made clear that the customer is only renting the product for the duration of the support)

      If no support duration is given the product should be assumed to have full support until the end of its copyright protection.

      If the distributor fails to live up to the promises made the customer should have the right to get a full refund from the distributor.

      • Anon

        Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I agree with much of what you’ve written. Transparency in marketing, promotion and retail is a worthwhile goal in all forms of merchandising, not just in digital goods. Your criteria might as well be applied to cars or electronic devices and be every bit as valid but if a digital good could be returned in the rivalrous way a material good can be, your refund requirement might be on firmer ideological ground.

        But I take issue with your statement, “it should be made clear that the customer is only renting the product for the duration.”

        You suggest that consumers are so confused or poorly informed about the fundaments of licensing they need it further explained that a “purchase” of a copyrighted digital good does not inherently grant them duplication, distribution, performance or remix rights in the same way that, say, Lessig’s CC may. That’s hard to support this late in the discussion.

        It’s well documented….http://www.copyrightkids.org/…..through studies and clinical trial that even very young children grasp and work easily within the idea that taking lawful possession for use and enjoyment is not the same as duplicating/reselling/redistributing.

        The “arrgh matey we be pirates” mentality that pretends confusion or simply defiantly copies whatever they want for whatever purpose they want to load a hard drive for free is tired and played out and is a residual part of the problem. An even sadder part are the “leaders” of this mentality so far removed from common sense (and quality metaphor) they appear to be here only to burnish flagging careers and reputations, bringing more pointless heat than truly valuable light.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Your original comment reeks of trolling. Your reply is actually better but still delusional.

          “You suggest that consumers are so confused or poorly informed about the fundaments of licensing they need it further explained that a “purchase” of a copyrighted digital good does not inherently grant them duplication, distribution, performance or remix rights in the same way that, say, Lessig’s CC may. That’s hard to support this late in the discussion.”

          He suggests and I agree. Most ppl don’t understand why they can’t copy for personal use. I don’t understand why even though I’m much more versed in the copyright issues than the ordinary Joe/Jane. This part of your comment shows that you are the one out of touch with reality.

          “It’s well documented….http://www.copyrightkids.org/…..throu… studies and clinical trial that even very young children grasp and work easily within the idea that taking lawful possession for use and enjoyment is not the same as duplicating/reselling/redistributing. ”

          Yes, all of us understand that. And that’s why we are discussing that here. We happen to disagree with the lawful part of that paragraph. Because the lawful way nowadays lack fair use. File sharers don’t resell and they don’t distribute. When you made a copy of a song in a cassette a while ago to send it to a friend so he/she could check out that artist you loved it wasn’t distribution. Technology took that up a notch and now you can find new stuff yourself, you can try new stuff yourself. I had plenty of recorded cassettes from friends and from music on the radio. I never bought all of the musics that I had recorded. But I did buy some of them. Same happened with every1.

          So, while kids understand these basic principles, they too can’t possibly interpret what you and MAFIAA think it’s lawful. Actually, MAFIAA has a nice little distorted view of duplicating/reselling/redistributing and lawful.

          “It’s time to get over yourself, Rick. You are yesterday’s news.”

          It’s time to get over yourself MAFIAA troll, you are yesterday’s news. The irony in your comment is just priceless considering the Pirate Parties are getting more and more exposure and support worldwide (see Swedish PP in EU Parliament and German PP in Berlin to mention some of the bigger examples). It’s slowly growing. Ppl don’t agree with you and the likes and they are fed up with your attempts to trample with their freedoms in the name of a distorted view of property.

        • DocGerbil100

          Deliberately misunderstanding other people’s comments = boring.

        • Anon

          @ ninja.
          We tell our legislators infringement is stealing. You tell yourself a difference of perspective is trolling. I’ll take those odds.

  • http://trueliberty.us icecycle66

    I’m pretty sure DRM can’t kill you.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      I’m pretty sure you failed to interpret the article.

  • Malcolm Haak

    I don’t think all forms of DRM are evil.
    Steam is a fine example of not-evil DRM.

    I think DRM that prevents you from having Fair-use should be illegal.

    Again, with that in mind, Steam is a non-evil, Fair-use abiding DRM. Hell I can even use it in Linux…

    • Ven

      Cloud-based computing and forced internet connections are the new DRM, and that is something no government is ever going to successfully figure out how to legislate.

      Technology is cutting edge; it will move faster than any legislation against it.

    • Anonymous

      ‘Steam is a fine example of not-evil DRM. ‘

      I like my games in physical form thanks, means I can resell them (and buy from others) on the 2nd hand market (good luck doing that with a Steam purchase).

      Since I can’t resell the games on Steam it is IMO an evil form of DRM because I have less rights with what I do with my purchases from a Steam bought (and downloaded, adding in costs of a net connection actually makes retail purchases cheaper [and that's before I even consider importing new release titles from the UK] ) product than I do from a box on the shelf (regardless of any DRM contained within this product, short of online activations… and well Ubisoft).

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        Agreed. It’s a smart move that you can’t resell the game and virtually kills the pre-owned market. I have mixed feelings about Steam. I sure won’t buy any game I can’t download and check out before. DRM free.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

        “I like my games in physical form thanks, means I can resell them (and buy from others) on the 2nd hand market (good luck doing that with a Steam purchase).”

        Look into green man gaming. They allow you to sell games unlike Steam.

  • Jon7272

    banning lead meant that my amps and tvs have a shorter life .brilliant. just means they end up in landfill defeats the purpose of environmental friendly doesnt it. bring back lead solder

    • Ven

      It was a covert lobby by those industries to sell us electronics that need to be replaced even sooner.

  • Anonymous

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  • Vaughan Bevan

    The lead analogy seems like it was banged out without much thought. Let’s make it legal for people to carry around plutonium in their pockets…as long as they know it’s plutonium. See, you’re comparing health risks that affect more than just the original purchaser to the free flow of information, which isn’t reducing lifespans in most cases..

    I’m all for the abolition of DRM, but you’re comapring Apple’s with Oranges…

    • Jon7272

      lead is not plutonium wtf

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      So just because DRM is a risk to your freedom and not your health (read: you won’t die cause of DRM) then it’s ok for it to exist. Interesting. Sounds like the Americans giving up their freedom because some terrorist might blow something up and kill you in a remote 0,0000000000001% chance.

  • Anonimoose

    If people suck their motherboards they deserve lead poisoning bring back lead we don’t want our products to have a shorter lifespan.

    DRM sucks but you can bet the MAFIAA will lobby for all their worth if their is any attempt to ban it en Europe.

    • Vaughan Bevan

      While a blanket ban on lead seems a little over the top, it still isn’t comparable to banning DRM.

  • TCGS

    Personally I think they just shoot themselves in the foot with DRM. I know I have ‘illegally downloaded’ a number of things to avoid the DRM nightmare. For example Fable III for the PC. I bought the game for a friend, cause I had already played it on the xbox (legally) and thought she would like it. The DRM was broken and it would not install, so I sent the game back (Amazon, they accept anything lol) and downloaded it.

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    It is not about short-term profits, it is about long-term rights. Banning DRM sounds like a good idea, because DRM is a Very Bad Thing, but what it DRM? Is any piece of code that protects Intellectual Property DRM? Is it the code that requires an online check? What gets banned and what doesn’t? And if we do ban DRM, who writes the regulations, other than the lobbyists for the copyright industry? Is it unlikely that a DRM ban can hurt small developers more than it hurts industry, in practice?

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      That’s pretty easy, really – any line of code which attempts to usurp control of my computer from the rightful owner of said computer (Me!) is unacceptable.

      Or to put it in a more close-to-home example, If I buy a car then I’d find it truly incomprehensible if my garage door remote suddenly wouldn’t open the garage for any other car than the one I bought. That’s approximately how DRM works on most computers – it removes your authority over things in your personal possession other than the product you bought.

      It’s a way of circumventing fair use altogether. Yes, we tech-savvy types can scrap or sanitize that form of DRM relatively easily. The ordinary consumer cannot. Where fair use is at all applicable, DRM needs to be opt-in at the very least for any product as it otherwise circumvents default consumer rights of a product.

      • Anonymous

        It’s pretty easy for me, as an ordinary consumer, to download a copy of a program that one of you tech-savvy types cracked. If a firm wants to make life more difficult for their consumers, that’s their problem, and they’ll bite the bullet for it.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          “It’s pretty easy for me, as an ordinary consumer, to download a copy of a program that one of you tech-savvy types cracked.”

          My point exactly. Once a solution has been created it is usually available for everyone. Same as with science all it takes is for one person to solve the problem and then suddenly everyone else is able to.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      That’s pretty easy, really – any line of code which attempts to usurp control of my computer from the rightful owner of said computer (Me!) is unacceptable.

      Or to put it in a more close-to-home example, If I buy a car then I’d find it truly incomprehensible if my garage door remote suddenly wouldn’t open the garage for any other car than the one I bought. That’s approximately how DRM works on most computers – it removes your authority over things in your personal possession other than the product you bought.

      It’s a way of circumventing fair use altogether. Yes, we tech-savvy types can scrap or sanitize that form of DRM relatively easily. The ordinary consumer cannot. Where fair use is at all applicable, DRM needs to be opt-in at the very least for any product as it otherwise circumvents default consumer rights of a product.

  • Mwhahahaha

    Good effort, though I don’t see how not having universal access to some media you brought is technically toxic. Sounds more like you’re being a whiny little bitch, which is a shame, because you normally write better, more restrained and rational pieces than this. Ones that would win arguments rather than just appealing to the people here.

    I didn’t even realise DRM was still being used, I thought they’d given up on it about 10 years ago after it was proven a monkey with a tape player could defeat it.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Like many have said, Rick is right on the money. What DRM does isn’t removing access to the material you bought – it removes your control of your computer from you in trying to do so.

      Like buying a new car and then discovering your garage door suddenly won’t open for any cars other than the one you bought.

      And that is in essence what makes DRM toxic in my book. If I buy a piece of software the very last thing I’d accept it to do is to have it blow holes in my firewalls and calling unspecified adresses. Or to have it block calls to my own disc drive or other third-party software.

      Far worse, there is a definition of “fair use” which any and all DRM actually tries to abolish completely.

      Normally this leads to every savvy individual simply using a cracked copy instead as that copy usually works better and doesn’t attempt to take control over what legally is yours in every aspect.

  • Lennart Lindgård

    I am a supporter of free copying. But I think that the corporations that are producing the products (films, music, book, software etc) should equally be in their full right to produce what ever product they want. This mens that if they are producing a product that is technically difficult to copy, they should have a right to do so. If they try to launch a product that only can be read via certin player, they should have the right to do that. If their products are distributed on a green and yellow polka dot coloured CD, it should be totally OK. If their product are only distributed via smoke signals, it should also be their problem.
    In all these cases, the company should feel the full force of the pros and cons of their actions.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    What is DRM principally for anyway?
    If it’s to stop people copying content they’ve purchased, then surely the parent-company HAS to provide an accessible copy when your purchase no longer works due to no fault of the purchaser, yeah?

    I reckon DRM was an ill thought-out conception that simply encouraged a generation of people to become filesharers because they’d already paid for a product they can’t back-up or re-format as needed.

    Go figure that DRM is now deemed toxic huh?

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  • Guest

    Actually I think DRM will be banned in the near future, perhaps in 5 years-time. But I’m not sure, when file-sharing for non-profit intention is going to be legal? Perhaps in 50 years-time? Or am I too pessimistic? Or what are your views on the future?

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      DRM will most likely not be banned. But just like cigarettes we may expect to see warning labels – like:
      “BE ADVISED THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS COPYRIGHT PROTECTION WHICH WILL ATTEMPT TO SUBORN YOUR COMPUTER AND INTERNET CONNECTION!”

      Or something similar.

  • Jack Murdoch

    Blah blah blah stealing… mmmm money money money in my ass from the MAFIAA

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Friday-Womens-Shoes-Riding-Boots-on-Sale/233134816735640 women shoes

    DRM usually ends up just pissing of the consumer more than curb pirating. Pirates just drag the DRM part out kicking and screaming in the installer or make a work around like the fake offline activation server for Assassins creed.
    Then the people who actually buy them, like me, have to do with screw ups in the software such as Steam not registering DLCs right or other mis-activation which has ended up with people having to call tech support, and no one likes tech support. In other words it has almost never worked a work around has always been found, DRM does more harm than good by frustrating the true customer base.

  • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

    Only area where I disagree with Rick.

    If publishers wish to use DRM then what right do you have to curb their freedom to do so?

    Also lead is physically dangerous, comparing lead to DRM is retarded.

    • Plop

      “Also lead is physically dangerous, comparing lead to DRM is retarded.”

      Re-read the article. Rick proposes that lead is analogous to DRM because they are both toxic – the former physiologically and the latter sociologically.

      As with all analogies, a perfect fit is not possible, but the validity of the comparison stands for the purpose of the framed discussion.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Prohibitions I concur, are NOT the way.

      Transparency would be though. If you bundle DRM with the software then you should at the very least be extremely specific with in what way said DRM will suborn your computer.

  • Sarah J.

    I think it’s fair to say there’s a de facto ban on the security method. People simply don’t pay for DRM, except when there’s no other choice, or they simply don’t know or don’t care. I think that our innate sense of fairness tells us that information should be free, and that that’s a hard thing to repress.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Actually I take one exception to that – information once published is free and attempts to restrict this fact are futile.

      But you can exert control over information only you are privvy to – it’s called “keeping a secret”. Your ATM pin code, your personal passwords and the image of your naked body probably all belong to that domain.

      The mistake made by the copyright industry is the assumption that you can publish a secret and still make it abide by the same rules.

  • deadsteve

    DRM screws my TIVO Desktop

    I am stuck using lame ass windows media player

    It makes mot shows un watchable durring the “streamin” state

  • Bluegeese

    I agree, particularly with regard to e-books. A paper book can be loaned out to friends and acquaintances, passed on to a secondhand bookstore to be resold, handed on from one generation to the next, or housed in a library and borrowed by hundreds or even thousands of people. Likewise with a DVD movie or music CD. A DRM-locked product, on the other hand, can be owned and is locked to a device and therefore can’t be loaned unless you lend out the whole device, which is ridiculous. Therefore DRM restrictions bind e-products way beyond what is both common and lawful usage with their material counterparts. I find this frustrating and reprehensible.

    • Bluegeese

      Sorry, bit of a typo there – I meant “can be owned by only one person and is locked to a device …”

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