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French Govt Reports Large Increase in Three Strikes Piracy Warnings

The French government has significantly stepped up its game in the war against online piracy. In a new report the country’s anti-piracy agency reveals that in January 2013 it sent 82,000 “first strike” warnings, twice the amount it issued in the same month last year. To find more people receiving a second strike than they did in February 2013 we have to look all the way back to October 2011. Despite the uplift, roughly the same numbers of people are going on to a third strike.

In a step away from some of the more historically aggressive anti-piracy schemes against individual Internet users, during the last couple of years there has been a settling on a perceived middle-ground.

In some countries rightsholders are now permitted to inform Internet users via their ISPs that their illicit habits are being noted, allowing users to maintain a theoretical level of privacy while an educational message is imposed.

The result are so-called “strikes” schemes like the one launched in the United States at the end of last month. The project is similar in nature to the one pioneered in France, so keeping an eye on what’s happening there should prove of interest in any subsequent stateside comparison.

Yesterday the French government’s Hadopi agency released the latest stats from their scheme and they reveal a huge increase in the effort.

In January 2012, Hadopi sent 41,396 so-called “first strike” warnings to Internet users. During January 2013 the agency sent 82,000, a 98% increase.

The following month saw a similar trend. In February Hadopi sent out 80,000 initial warnings versus 51,621 in the same period last year.

To find months with a greater output we have to go all the way back to May and June 2011, where 103,989 and 82,795 first warnings were issued respectively.

The trend looks like it will continue. In January this year Hadopi announced it would step up its game and for the last five consecutive months the number of warnings sent has not dipped below 61,000, which has never happened in Hadopi’s history.

The chart below shows first-strike warnings issued to the end of February 2013, with the red line representing the cumulative amount, a total of 1,599,847.

Hadopi March 1st Strike

While first strikes are indeed important, the instances of subsequent strikes are perhaps more indicative of how well the system is performing when it comes to its educational aims.

Taking the last two months as examples and comparing them to the same periods last year, we see that the huge increase in first strike warnings sent does not proportionately affect the totals of second strike warnings.

In January 2012 a total of 6,450 second warnings were issued, versus 7,350 in January 2013. That’s just a 14% uplift despite 98% more initial warnings delivered.

In February 2012 a total of 7,350 second strikes went out, versus 8,550 this year. That represents just a 16.3% increase in second strikes in 2013 even though around 55% more initial warnings went out.

The chart below shows second-strike warnings issued to the end of February 2013, with the red line representing the cumulative amount, a total of 138,953.

Hadopi 2nd Strike March

But perhaps of most interest is the numbers of Internet account holders who despite first and second warnings still go on to a third. Perhaps surprisingly, despite the large increase in warnings sent, roughly the same amount of people are receiving their final strike each month.

January 2012 saw 38 individuals received their third warning, versus 36 in the same month this year. A total of 41 people had their final strike in February 2012 compared to 33 in February 2013. No matter how many first or second warnings were sent out, in no month since the scheme began have more than 43 people received a third.

The chart below shows third-strike warnings issued to the end of February 2013, with the red line representing the cumulative amount, a total of 488.

Hadopi March 1st 3rdd Strike

Despite the stats detailed above, it remains difficult to assess the street-level success of the scheme. The numbers of first strike warnings sent versus the constant level of thirds could suggest that people are indeed heeding the warnings, but it could also mean that they’re shifting to other file-sharing systems that are more difficult to monitor. On the other hand it may be that Hadopi only has the stomach or capacity to deal with the amount being passed to judges so far.

The truth is there can only ever be one real barometer of success – a large uplift in the revenues of entertainment companies. As far as we can see, that reward is yet to be observed.

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  • Guest321

    You piss people of with strikes against their Internet account & threats of disconnection and you expect them to turn into loyal customers? Well good luck with that. Never heard of a business model where entrepreneurs try to gain customers by pissing them off.

    • glomzz

      Every loyal and pissed off customers needs to switch to a good VPN service (with military grade encryption) instead of constantly taking it in the ass by the French government and rightsholders.

      If they governments won’t protect the privacy it’s own people’s from greedy rightsholders, then it’s time for the people to take matters in their own hands and ensure own privacy matters ourselves by any means possible.

      I’d rather pay that extra 7 to 8 euro’s a month for good VPN service in order to get my privacy back so I don’t have to deal with this corporate oppressive hadopi horseshit anymore.

      • djnforce9

        Or just avoid well known trackers that are highly likely to be monitored if you can’t get a decent VPN service. There is no way to track file hosting sites for example although download links tend to go down quickly so you have to be fast to grab your stuff.

        • dave

          or just switch to one of the thousand other smaller isp’s ;)

        • Austin Williamson

          Or start (or join) a small RetroShare network or some other web of trust.

        • http://twitter.com/LionelModric LionelModric

          like Samuel said I am blown away that a single mom able to make $7855 in one month on the network.

        • http://twitter.com/LionelModric LionelModric

          …..—-goo.gl/Ojz5K (Home more information)

      • http://twitter.com/LudaHarry LudaHarry

        like Leslie replied I am shocked that anybody can earn $4748 in a few weeks on the cnetwork.

      • http://twitter.com/LudaHarry LudaHarry

        …..—-goo.gl/l8qvc

      • synapsis

        i read the recent revised vpn services article in TF the other day but i didn’t see anything that said military grade encryption.
        can you offer a few places ?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Um. Basically, anything running L2TP/Ipsec or OpenVPN is to be considered “military grade”.

          And even PPTP is “secure enough” unless you count on your presumtive adversary possessing resources of the order which makes one wonder why they simply don’t raid your house if they’re interested.

        • synapsis

          ok so i made a silly question. but i’m techno challenged. thanks for your answer :)

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “ok so i made a silly question. but i’m techno challenged.”

          And now you are a little less so.

          And no, the question isn’t silly. Unfortunately software and home electronics businesses are today’s version of yesterdays used car dealerships. They will flagrantly use terms meant to convey the image of power, speed, imperviousness and realibility to technology while trying to peddle unsafe, difficult, or obsolete rest stock they couldn’t sell at premium prices to you.

          And so asking questions such as that are NOT silly.

          Happy to answer.

        • Mouseanony

          That’s wrong on so many levels. You can have a very weak encryption on L2TP/IPsec which makes it useless. PPTP for example had a weakness that allowed anyone to crack the passwords almost instantly. The protocol is as important as the encryption used. There’s no such thing as “military grade” unless you go above 1024bits but then it gets very expensive.

        • Whatever

          I would say that nowadays there is no such thing as “military grade” in encryption, period. Only good and bad encryption methods and protocols.

          “Miltary grade” is something that has been used in producing integrated circuits in the past. These components were made to survive a larger temperature range.

          In the past there might have been a secret military version of encryption and another one for the public (at the time the US had the funny idea of an export ban on encryption).

          For connections you could take the best encryption possible as any modern computer can handle the (relatively) slow speed of a connection. (Yes, it is different for VPN providers whose servers decrypt/encrypt several streams all day long so that will indeed come at a price)

          Besides the collateral murder video was from the military and encrypted but obviously not good enough.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          That you can have a very weak encryption on L2TP and IPsec by using the protocol badly or by setting a password defeatable by a dictionary attack does not render the protocols any less “secure”.

          That’s like saying a bank vault door is unsecure because it might be mounted on a meringue wall or left open.

          “PPTP for example had a weakness that allowed anyone to crack the passwords almost instantly.”

          Yep, and this is how you do it.

          https://www.cloudcracker.com/blog/2012/07/29/cracking-ms-chap-v2/

          The point being, and I iterate, that PPTP is still “secure enough” for many purposes.

          Most modern locks can similarly be defeated in seconds by a locksmith, anyone learning how to use a bump key, and of course, the common crowbar. That doesn’t mean the lock won’t defeat and deter 99% of attackers.

          If all you want to do is keep your online habits safe from casual snoopers, PPTP can be considered secure enough.

          And it gets there as soon as you hit core encryption of 192-bit AES which is rather common. Key exchanges should always be made in higher bit encryption, but that’s not exactly “resource intensive”.

        • glomzz

          AirVPN.

      • TerribleTony

        Or communities should start their own broadband services. It’s very easy to do, and you won’t get disconnected. Plus it will piss off the big players who are busy pissing off their customers.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Never heard of a business model where entrepreneurs try to gain customers by pissing them off.”

      Actually their intent is to gain customers by scaring them. Same way the mafia does it.

      “Pissing them off” is the (for the copyright industry) unfortunate side effect of being clumsy, overbearing, inept and lacking common sense while still trying to be a bully.

      Now what I’d like to see is a correlation between the number of letters sent out and the number of new VPN subscriptions.

      • bobmail

        Nice try, but a complete failure, like many of your posts. Your basic misunderstanding of business is pretty overwhelming.

        There is no intent, at any level to gain customers by scaring them. I would be confident that everyone involved, from the government to the ISPs to the content producers all hate with a passion what they are doing. It would suck greatly if they were pissing off potential customers, and ones that could walk away from the product and live without it.

        Reality is, however, that most people these days can’t live without the internet (try it some time, it’s really fun). Most people will weigh the free lunch mentality of piracy against the reality of losing their internet connection altogether, and they will choose to curtain or at least disguise and slow down the activities that are getting them in trouble.

        it won’t create a single new customer, not directly.

        The ISPs hate it, but at the same time they realize that the customers will have to go somewhere for service. if they leave ISP1, they will end up with ISP2, and vis-versa. There are only so many ISPs, so many ways to get connected, those options are not unlimited.

        While some customers may go one way, some others will go the other way, and in the end it all balances out.

        Content producers, well, they don’t generally hold out any big hope of converting dedicated leeches into pay customers. None of this is aimed at those people, except perhaps to hurt the supply side of things. They are aiming more at the opportunistic pirates, those who do because it’s easy and they can, not for any other reason. When it’s no longer possible (or becomes too hard to do) they will likely return to legal channels, many of which are “free” to the consumer anyway (ad supported models such as broadcast TV and radio, example).

        You are right in one way – the most hardened, most dedicated pirates will get VPNs, seedboxes, and whatever else, and they will continue to do what they do. But as it becomes harder and harder to do, when there starts to be actual expense to pirating, more and more people will shy away from doing it.

        Nobody is trying to scare anyone into being a customer. That’s just an anti-copyright propaganda piece.

        • Turbo

          “”Nice try, but a complete failure, like many of your posts. Your basic misunderstanding of business is pretty overwhelming.”"

          Speculation and/or opinion is not evidence of fact.

        • dondilly

          Its not he doesnt understand. He isnt paid to understand.

          Infact as we hadnt heard much from bob over the past couple of weeks i had assumed BREIN had fired him due to his trolling being ineffective.

        • Asashii

          niether is saying scared to get customers, what an idiot, piracy days are over for the main stream tards, back to the know how and idiots can stay out of it!

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Your basic misunderstanding of business is pretty overwhelming.”

          Once again I apparently need to hang my head in shame and go tell my boss I don’t understand business.

          He will be surprised.

          ” I would be confident that everyone involved…”

          The same sort of “confident” that you had when trying to tell everyone that MEGA would receive no investors – AFTER it had in fact almost been trampled by the rush of companies trying to invest in it?

          Or is it the ‘confidence’ you had when you were trying to tell us “filesharing protocols” would be outlawed and blocked?

          Your ‘confidence’ doesn’t inspire much of anything by now other than a desire to ask you to back up your statement with fact. Something you have always, when asked, failed to do.

          You can’t even form a single non-contradictory argument.

          “Most people will weigh the free lunch mentality of piracy against the reality of losing their internet connection altogether, and they will choose to curtain or at least disguise and slow down the activities that
          are getting them in trouble.”

          Or report the matter to EHCR at which point HADOPI ends. Too bad by now those people “weighing the risks” are having to do so after seeing not one single successful court case after years of operation by HADOPI.

          You know the risk of being killed in an automobile accident in the western world is 40,000 times higher than being caught filesharing? And yet people speed and take no pains to adjust their behavior.

          It takes a monumental idiot to assume HADOPI will work any differently – especially given the cheat sheet we hand of recent anti-pirate action.

          “There are only so many ISPs, so many ways to get connected, those options are not unlimited.”

          And at the cost of 5-10 € a month, those options need not be invoked at all.

          “When it’s no longer possible (or becomes too hard to do) they will likely return to legal channels…”

          As long as running a dual-tunnel VPN is still vastly easier than the “legal channel” that’s not likely to succeed.

          “You are right in one way – the most hardened, most dedicated pirates will get VPNs, seedboxes, and whatever else, and they will continue to do what they do.”

          Uh, like everyone who even bothered to learn to set up a p2p client to begin with would even consider it a speed bump?

          News flash – the pirates who would respond to that tactic ceased to operate when DC++ and Kazaa went out of vogue.

          “Hardened”.

          “Hard”.

          “difficult”.

          You keep using those words. I don’t think they mean what you think they mean.

          “Nobody is trying to scare anyone into being a customer. That’s just an anti-copyright propaganda piece.”

          Should we quote you some Chris Dodd or for that matter, some “Anon” fresh off these boards?

          Hell, should we quote some of your own posts and see what we have in the form of “scare tactics? I believe we have a few dozen suitably sulphurous ones handy.

          Or should we quote chapter and verse what the US government had to say when urging the supreme court to allow the Jamie Lee Thomas verdict to stand?

          I’d say to the contrary that everyone on the copyright sects repeat performance of the fifth crusade seems very heavily invested in deceit and intimidation as first and last weapon.

        • bobmail

          “I apparently need to hang my head in shame and go tell my boss I don’t understand business.”

          Yeah, your Mom will be upset. No extra cookies in your pay packet this week.

        • Pelham123

          “Nobody is trying to scare anyone into being a customer.”

          They’re trying to scare customers into looking like they’re not pirating, and other customers into not trying hard enough to succeed.

          They’re doing it for PR reasons, not to increase sales. So if everyone involved goes darknet, the program is a success.

          And you’re right, they probably hate it on the ground level. It proves the big congloms that own them care more about shifting numbers around than making artists money.

          Jesus, now I’m helping you, Boob. You’re just so helpless sometimes.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          First time I ever heard you could pay rent in cookies. Is this common in your world, bobmail?

          Oh, wait, my bad…maybe for you, it is.

        • Parasite

          “There is no intent, at any level to gain customers by scaring them. I would be confident that everyone involved, from the government to the ISPs to the content producers all hate with a passion what they are doing. It would suck greatly if they were pissing off potential customers, and ones that could walk away from the product and live without it.”

          Can pirates also use the same type of excuse (i.e. “it’s not our intent to deprive content owners of profit”) as justification for their actions? No? Then don’t use the same type of excuses.

          Fact is… they ARE pissing off their customers, whether they want it or not.

          “Reality is, however, that most people these days can’t live without the internet (try it some time, it’s really fun). Most people will weigh the free lunch mentality of piracy against the reality of losing their internet connection altogether, and they will choose to curtain or at least disguise and slow down the activities that are getting them in trouble.”

          Lots of assumptions. First assumption: that there is any actual risk of anything, if someone just streams stuff online or uses direct-download/cyberlocker type of things… protip: there isn’t. Second assumption: that people are actually in risk of losing their internet connections or being involved in any crime, even if they clearly are engaging in copyright infringement… protip: in most places in the world, doesn’t work like that. Third assumption: that people actually HAVE a legal alternative that’s reasonably priced and accessible (or, at least, as accessible as “pirated” media)… protip: that’s actually also not the case in lots of places/situations. Fourth assumption: that people will actually stop “pirating” and start buying their stuff, if (for some strange reason) they do “get caught”. [citation needed]-a-plenty.

          “it won’t create a single new customer, not directly.”

          Correct. Quite the opposite, actually.

          “The ISPs hate it, but at the same time they realize that the customers will have to go somewhere for service. if they leave ISP1, they will end up with ISP2, and vis-versa. There are only so many ISPs, so many ways to get connected, those options are not unlimited.”

          Maybe, if you live in a country with an ISP oligopoly. Luckily, many places in the world avoid that horrible fate. I assume you live in the US, where (according to you) people have to maintain 3 jobs to get by but, (apparently) can easily live off getting money from posting random unjustified opinions on TF. I don’t.

          “Content producers, well, they don’t generally hold out any big hope of converting dedicated leeches into pay customers. None of this is aimed at those people, except perhaps to hurt the supply side of things. They are aiming more at the opportunistic pirates, those who do because it’s easy and they can, not for any other reason. When it’s no longer possible (or becomes too hard to do) they will likely return to legal channels, many of which are “free” to the consumer anyway (ad supported models such as broadcast TV and radio, example).”

          Oh boy, more assumptions. You automatically dismiss another very valid option: stop consuming/pirating overpriced crap altogether. Remember… “entitlement” is a two-way street. You’re not _entitled_ to getting paid, you earn it. Acting like a dickhead doesn’t make me feel like giving any money to you, I’ll tell you that.

          “You are right in one way – the most hardened, most dedicated pirates will get VPNs, seedboxes, and whatever else, and they will continue to do what they do. But as it becomes harder and harder to do, when there starts to be actual expense to pirating, more and more people will shy away from doing it.”

          No… Actually, it’s the opposite. In the past, ONLY hardcore pirates would bother to get seedboxes/VPNs… nowadays, even casual pirates (i.e. of the try-before-buy type) might get a seedbox or a VPN, actually making them LESS likely to have disposable income to spend on “legitimate” media. Also, if they start PAYING for a VPN/seedbox, you better be sure they’ll be pirating MORE, not LESS.

          “Nobody is trying to scare anyone into being a customer. That’s just an anti-copyright propaganda piece.”

          Well.. when people are being lied to about the alleged (i.e. not real/imagined) criminal nature of personal-level copyright infringement, it can be seen as nothing other than “fear mongering” (or, if you prefer, “propaganda”).

          People already explained to you that the best way to kill piracy is to actually provide viable alternatives. Cracking down on it will achieve nothing except alienate your costumers. Microsoft and Adobe understand it, but you don’t.

        • bobmail

          “they ARE pissing off their customers, whether they want it or not.”

          For the content providers, the pirates that will get pissed off weren’t customers anyway, just leeches.

          For the rest of your post, you are just spewing the usual anti-copyright stuff. Nobody claims any entitlement to get paid, they only want to get paid when their product is consumed. If you don’t want to deal with that, then STOP CONSUMING IT ALREADY.

          Entitlement is where you feel you can make a choice for someone else, like you being able to choose to be a freeloader, and that everyone else should pay the price for you.

          “People already explained to you that the best way to kill piracy is to actually provide viable alternatives.”

          The level of viable alternative desired is “everything for almost nothing, immediately, in every market, in every format, without any restriction… at a price so low that I can’t be bothered to pirate”. You can join scary devil in not understanding business basics.

        • Pelham123

          “they only want to get paid when their product is consumed.”

          This sentence describes false entitlement. And it is antithetical to capitalism. And it obliterates consumer rights and private ownership.

          And THAT is what this is really all about – the world’s fight against the evil, oppressive fungus of a concept you describe in this sentence. It doesn’t really have anything to do with music or movies on either side.

        • Guest

          ” STOP CONSUMING IT ALREADY.”

          Nah, I think I’ll keep pirating it with no fear of being caught. Is that okay with you?

        • UraPhake

          “In the past, ONLY hardcore pirates would bother to get
          seedboxes/VPNs… nowadays, even casual pirates (i.e. of the
          try-before-buy type) might get a seedbox or a VPN, actually making them
          LESS likely to have disposable income to spend on “legitimate” media.
          Also, if they start PAYING for a VPN/seedbox, you better be sure they’ll
          be pirating MORE, not LESS.”
          =-=
          You have that exactly right!
          Case in point: Me.
          I always wondered how the copyright people came up with “casual” versus “hardcore.” Now I know.
          Several years ago, I used a Swedish VPN off and on. Then I quit. In all of that time (even up to this point) I received only a single notice (for downloading an episode of “Heroes” which I had missed on television the night before.)

          Now, with this bullshit “Six Strikes” scheme coming into play, you can bet that when (if) I receive that magic “Six” I’m getting a VPN again.

          Will I infringe less? Hell no! Because of the added expense you can bet your latest Hollywood blockbuster that I will be downloading as much as possible. They will be creating a “hardcore” infringing file sharer due to their idiotic meddling. I will be downloading for friends who do not have Internet access and giving them DVDs of whatever it is they want (if it’s available).

          The copyright maximalistas will be accomplishing nothing less than the total opposite of what they claim they intend (education, my ass)!

          I’ve already been looking into the various seedbox providers and I’m sure that they (the people Bobmail works for) will appreciate that I would be able to upload and download 50 times faster than before and they can’t do shit about it.

          To them I say, “Nice job assholes!”

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          I always wondered how the copyright people came up with “casual” versus “hardcore.” Now I know.

          Yep. “Hardcore” in their own little world tends to mean “Downloaded and installed uTorrent or Vuze. Then ran it”.

          And this is amply illustrated by the copyright church adherents thinking installing opera or running through a proxy is a “hard thing to do”.

          Well, ok…ten years ago, it was something only the clued-in could do. Then we got tired of doing things the hard way and invented handy one-click apps to perform the operation.

          And this is where every last cultist belonging to the church of copyright gets it wrong. Being technical neanderthals themselves they take every cue they have from hired-in tech consultants who immediately despise them and give them the quick answer without providing the friendly advice that the “solution” will be circumvented immediately.

          And every time they try to train someone to be a tech in-house that person immediately realizes the same we do. That’s what happens, after all, when a religious fundie receives scientific training. Cognitive dissonance appears at once.

        • IDIOCRACY

          hey bobby, making yourself look stupid again? hehe

          I keep wondering how one can be so transparantly oblivious to reason and logic. Your replies to mine in other threads show you are even worse than I first thought. They clearly show you are trully pissed and every time you seem to confirm my posts by your lack of logic in your replies. So tell us please….we like to know what you smoke….hehe

        • bobmail

          I address you points when they have merit, and I don’t answer your trolling questions or bad attempts at spin.

          Stop spinning, I answer better. Spin, and I ignore you and call you out for it.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          So it’s “spinning” to point out that your entire given argument is a 180-degree reverse of your previous position on this?

          I can’t wait to see what you’ll redefine for us next.

        • sammiguy

          you may be right to a point but they will lose customers in the sense that they will downgrade their connections… currently i pay $$$ for unlimited .. at a preminum price ;… i personally will disconnect internet, cus i have no other use for it, , but most will simply just downgrade to the cheapest package .. so yes, .. they will lose revenue. despite what you say

        • Pelham123

          “There is no intent, at any level to gain customers by scaring them.”

          Are you insane, Boob?

          Of all the things to argue about, you pick THIS? And you go on about it for paragraph after paragraph?

          Their intent is to to instill fear of punishment in people who, to use your term, “break the law.” Right?

          And you (wisely) suspect everyone involved hates what they were doing … so you acknowledge that what they’re doing is unpleasant in some way. Because it makes customers feel fearful.

          You do realize that this article says that Hadopi is a success, right? You have some legitimate pro-Boob stuff to take from this. Go read it again, you cheesehead.

          “it won’t create a single new customer, not directly.”

          Right. Instead, its intent is to … finish the sentence. Troll well. I know you can do it.

        • Guest

          “There is no intent, at any level to gain customers by scaring them.”

          But that’s the only conceivable way they can gain customers. So are you saying their intent is to simply lose customers?

          Oh yeah, also, trying to scare people into becoming customers IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF GRADUATED RESPONSE SYSTEMS LIKE HADOPI, YOU LYING FUCK.

          The threat of blocked internet access and possible prosecution is supposed to make filesharers run out and buy stuff, through fear of these things.

          Jesus, how fucking dishonest can you get, Baghdad Bob?

          “and they will choose to curtain or at least disguise and slow down the activities that are getting them in trouble.”

          Okay, so you admit that schemes like HADOPI are useless because their victims will just choose to protect themselves and keep filesharing. Oh, and there’s no need to slow down once they’re protected.

          “it won’t create a single new customer, not directly.”

          *slow clap*

          That’s twice you’ve admitted that HADOPI is a failure. When even MAFIAA trolls are admitting this…

          “They are aiming more at the opportunistic pirates, those who do because it’s easy and they can

          You know what’s infinitely easier than returning to legal channels? Paying 3 euros a month for a VPN.

          Checkmate.

          “the most hardened, most dedicated pirates will get VPNs”

          Because you have to be a hardened, dedicated pirate to sign up for a VPN.

          Hahahahahahahahahahaha

          Newsflash: if somebody has enough technical knowledge to operate a torrent client then they have enough technical knowledge to use a VPN. It’s really that simple.

          That’s why these schemes do nothing. Their targets are already computer literate enough to bypass them right out of the starting gate.

        • Yay Bobmail

          Hey, bobmail has slithered back out from under his rock! How you doing dipshit? We’ve missed your illogical made up reasoning and petty minded childish corporate dick sucking arguments. Good to have you back.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “We’ve missed your illogical made up reasoning…”

          I don’t think we did. “bobmail” may have been dormant but the “nonamthanks” alias was doing the job instead.

    • dondilly

      If i were a conspiracy theorist looking at the effects of hadopi i would have to conclude that hadopi was a false flag operation lobbied for and funded by the VPN industry as the media companies couldnt be so dumb as to put themselves in such a position.

    • Predator

      Ya, someone should tell these morons to stop digging. We don’t need their graves to be that’s deep. “3 strikes” does not work hum? Too bad! “6 Strikes” is not going to work either. Try 64 strikes may be?

  • TheyAreNotStupid

    Hardly surprising, they need to prove they’re needed with all the funding cuts they had last year.

  • rrr

    ipodah.net = hadopi backwards to combat hadopi

    • Why a U.S domain?

      Who ever is in charge of that website needs to switch to a domain that has nothing to do with U.S or for that matter U.K.

  • js

    I wonder how much the VPN trafic has increased ?
    or how many more ( if any ) retail sales they made ?

  • BonxRonx

    Man that really annoys me. Who do they think they are all of a sudden?

    Net-Privacy.us

  • sharms

    They’re going to make online piracy even bigger, as now people will fight back for varied reasons including privacy concerns, hatred of big brother tactics, etc. Piracy isn’t responsible for lost sales you morons. People who pirate would not have purchased it anyway. And any lost sales are more than made up for by the percentage of those who do download as a demo and eventually purchase. Bunch of morons in Corporate America.

    • apocalyptic_akai_tsuki_no_sora

      Nicely said. There are studies suggesting the benefits of piracy. Corporations who have their ego still cling to their beliefs even though the basis of their ideals are contradicted.

  • Ignas

    After six strikes you can just switch ISP, or get yourself a fake passport, or your other family member/friend might sign new contract. I don’t know about every country, but in my country valid id is all you need for a contract.

    • fake id? Or Food?

      getting a fake id is not cheap in every country. Most country’s now days are a third world country, people can’t even afford food much less a fake id.

      • Ignas

        Well, VPN/Proxy is a way to go then, or hacking into someone else’s internet connection.

  • dondilly

    With all these various schemes, it would be interesting to correlate their notifications numbers against signup data for new accounts with vpn and proxy services.

    The other thing often missed is that if it is costing rights holders to both monitor a title and to have notifications sent out, they are going to try and be as cost effective as possible.

    That said, the bigger picture has nothing to do with perceived lost profits. It is a battle over who controls the net.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      I said the same.

      So far we can only point to a study made in Sweden where the single IPRED law caused a surge in VPN subscribers – from 20,000 in 2006 to 400,000 in 2009.

      And if you’re savvy enough to run a bittorrent client in the first place, VPN isn’t exactly hard.

      • dondilly

        It is ultimately self defeating and hadopi will never result in increased media sales for the simple reason that creating a climate that drives vpn sales for privacy protection leaves less money to spend on media.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          True enough.

          Although it has to be said, I sometimes wonder if the continual anti-pirate lobbying isn’t also funded by VPN providers. Talk about generating a market…

  • Guest

    The internet really is a threat to tyranny.

    • bobmail

      “tyranny” as is “I didn’t get my binky”.

      Your parents must have been tyrants.

      • dropin

        Your parents should have used a bucket of water on you,head first.

      • Guest321

        You must be that unwanted child your parents never wanted, to have so much negativity in your mind.

        • ScrewEwe2

          bobmail is a nattering nabob of negativism that deserves neutering.

      • Andrew me

        Damn why did you have to climb out of that bucket when you were born

      • Guest

        No, bobfail, the internet threatens tyranny because it destroys tyrants’ ability to control and censor the flow of information and culture, as well as their abbility to hold impoverished masses down.

        Maybe one day when you grow up your thought process will go beyond binkies.

  • ivi

    What if people after second/third change ISP. Then they would again receive 1st strike again?

  • Violated0

    So the French Government aiming to cut public funds to Hadopi has only increased their efficiency. Maybe they need to do larger cuts then.

    I am sure these Copyright Cartels are keen to prop up this French 3-strikes scheme being the flagship scheme that all other countries see as a shining example.

    So a mixed bag of chips that you can’t tell much from. We can be sure though that French file sharers soon found ways to protect their hobby when they can’t educate people who believe they do no wrong.

    • bobmail

      You do hit a good point, and one I am interested to see what the TF staff have to say. When the original budget cut but more notices thing was announced a few months ago, they were all over it and laughing and saying it wasn’t possible.

      Now it has happened.

      So the question is this: What else have the TF staff gotten wrong?

      • dropin

        (I am interested to see what the TF staff have to say)

        Why would they want to answer a mafiaa troll like you.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “…they were all over it and laughing and saying it wasn’t possible.”

        Oh? You mean they weren’t simply saying more warnings would simply do no good? There’s a difference.

        Now, it’s true that we shall have to wait and see but from what I recall about the actual number of filesharers being sent to court over HADOPI over it’s years of operation, and the outcome of said court case, I’m pretty certain the french pirates can relax.

        The only reason to be wary is the stated intent by HADOPI to attempt to use fines instead which will make every letter sent the equivalent of the same mass extortion scam recently buried in the US.

        Either the legislature buries that idea, in which case pirates win.

        Or HADOPI is allowed to go ahead and mass mail extortion letters to hundreds of thousands of french citizens, many of whom will never even have heard of filesharing.
        The outcome of that is, by now, predictable. Ostensibly, it’s a lot worse for the copywrong church.

        • bobmail

          No, saying straight out that there was no way they could cut the budget and and send out more notices.

          Use search, you can find it.

        • Anyone

          all that shows was that hadopi was paid too much in the first place

          if they can send more warnings with less money, they simply wasted money on the first run

          of course, it is all a waste of money, and it is astonishing that it is paid by tax money and not out of the MAFIAA’s pocket

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Then what that means is HADOPI was before either holding back – which is called defrauding your employer.

          Or HADOPI’s new batch of send-outs follows less stringent criteria.

          Why you should want to insist on TF being in error when what they in practice stated turns out to be an assumption of HADOPI being well run is beyond me, but I thank you for the information.

          As, I’m sure, does TF.

          We’ll have to see whether previous overfunding or sloppy procedure is what enables this new batch of notices, then.

        • Guest

          Use search, you can find it.

          I did use search. I found you were lying.

          Are you secretly crying out for help, bob?

      • Guest

        @bobfail

        When the original budget cut but more notices thing was announced a few months ago, they were all over it and laughing and saying it wasn’t possible.

        Nope, you lying fucking sack of shit, that never happened. You’re completely making it up.

        http://torrentfreak.com/three-strikes-anti-piracy-budget-too-expensive-to-justify-says-minister-120603/

        So, bob, I just caught you in a lie. How are you going to respond to that? Oh, you aren’t going to respond at all?

        How surprising.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          What IS surprising is, however, the way these happy little astroturfing copyright trolls think they can peddle any outright lie and not get caught.

  • asd

    we pay isp’s and they slap us in the face with their bullshit

  • Guest

    I report huge hatred coming to french government.

  • dondilly

    @andy They will never see an uplift in sales using the current tactics of threatening their customer base. It only serves to entrench views and results in people vowing not to feed the media industry.

    An excellent example of copyright fascism from the early days of the net where at least Paramount finally saw sense. Back in the mid to late 90s when the wider public hadnt caught on to the net, there were far more personal websites run as hobbies. Amongst these were many star trek fansites usually containing stills, audio and info from the franchise often sites were designed around LCARS the fictional trek display style from TNG. You could even download many LCARS windows themes. Paramount at first got their lawyers busy until there was an almighty bqcklash from fans and they finally backed down and OKed it for non profit use. This ultimately led to fan video productions, so impressive in at least one case one of the original trek writers donated an unused script and actors from the franchise have made guest appearances oh and i blieve in one case paramount even used one groups bridge set for a scene. Fans not only keeping the franchise alive but giving something back.

    Contrast that to the dmca days of today and we are back to fan media being attacked. Fan wallpaper apps getting pulled, picking on kids fansites again. One of the worst franchises for this is the hobbit/lord of the rings, much to some of the casts disgust. Attacking your fans is not a way to maximise profit.

    • bobmail

      ” threatening their customer base”

      Your assumption is that they are customers, which they are not.

      • dondilly

        With fansites and fan media, yes, customers. As for filesharers research data that even a troll cant ignore clearly shows filesharers have a bigger media spend, so yes CUSTOMERS.

        • bobmail

          Yawn.

          The usual boring stats, with one thing unexplained:

          if pirate are such big spenders, then why the hell are sales down all over?

          Oh wait… it’s because pirates aren’t big spenders, just a few of them are.

        • dondilly

          Thats simple bob, the cost of vpn comes out of the same disposable income as media.

        • Guest

          Because you are lying that sales are down and they’re actually up. The movie industry just had its best year ever in 2012 and so did the music industry.

          This all corroborates the fact that pirates are the best customers.

          http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=pirates+%22buy+more%22

          You fail again, as always, MAFIAA-bot.

        • icec0ld

          They’re only boring because you don’t agree with them.

          Sales aren’t down. They’re in and always have been in an upward trend.

          It’s been proven pirates are the most biggest and most loyal customers of the works they pirate. Stop lying like a sack of shit.

      • Pelham123

        “Your assumption is that they are customers, which they are not.”

        There’s a post above that disagrees with yours. And I quote:

        “Content producers … are aiming more at the opportunistic pirates, those who do because it’s easy and they can, not for any other reason. When it’s no longer possible (or becomes too hard to do) they will likely return to legal channels”

        The author of that post? Someone named Boobmail.

      • fuck off bobmail

        AAARGGG, must, not, threaten, to, kill, the, troll……….

      • 2013sUxAlright

        As if nobody in their life ever visited a movie theatre. Come on bobby don’t fall asleep halfway through responding. We are all customers and they would be very glad to have us on a daily basis. But today the world just decided to show these types of media industries the finger and simply not buy. If a big head has to pack up and leave his seat I am all for it. Those people don’t suffer from their lost sales… they are not in it for the passion of film making. These cold blooded business men are only happy if they get their money back tenfold… I bet they don’t even pay the crew properly. With that sense of entitlement for deserving so called lost profits/sales they can go fuck themselves and their fat pockets and anybody who supports their influence in politics. Fucken plutocrats. If the product was any good the studios would see much more money. Now they just prey on the simple minded and the majority of people that are not aware of new mass media outlets. Put a long story short: If they are talking about lost profits they should already know the term of potential customer… that group they constantly keep pissing off. Just like you do, fuckface.

        have a nice day.

  • wimbledongreen

    “The truth is there can only ever be one real barometer of success – a large uplift in the revenues of entertainment companies. As far as we can see, that reward is yet to be observed.”

    If this never happens, the entire project would backfire. People will conclude that a little bit of piracy isn’t ‘that’ bad’ and… well… pirate more.

    How long has Hadopi been running? 2 years?

    …and we’re still waiting for this dramatic ‘upsurge’ in profit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

    make it a hundred strikes and it still will make no difference. people have grown up with file sharing, you can’t reverse that. there are so many ways to share files, all this system achieves, is educating us all, and letting us know whether our proxy, etc is working well, thank you hadidiotopi, we would have to pay for software to verify anonymity if it were not for you. how nice of you. maybe you can roll out some decent statistics next as well, instead of the drivel of a few insignificant numbers that are meaningless

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676827475 Luke Solis

    or, 50% of the 488 3rd strike warnings are grandma’s with open wifi networks or high jacked PCs.

    I wonder how that will look in court.

  • anonymous

    regardless of the bribes being paid to politicians to carry these measures out AT CITIZENS EXPENSE, i might add, why has no one actually stated (i am sure several have realised already) that there is far more money, none of which is ‘entertainment industries’ supplied, being wasted on this type of action, trying to stop ‘piracy’, file sharing’ whatever name you want to give it, than on educating the entertainment industries themselves? in these times of Austerity, when countries keep penalising people because of countries debts, why spend money on this? it could be better spent on hospitals and schools. if the industries want to do something sensible about people sharing files, give them choices to curb the sharing, and i dont mean ‘stop or go to prison’ either! they should at least foot their own bills!!

  • roit

    They must strike harder before population start riot… maybe couple millions strike and they get well earned reward from angry public, ;)

  • OuiMonsignor

    The French are actually moving to the more secure F2F.

  • glory

    pointless fight

  • Traveller

    Just a few dozen persons get caught by the third strike. It shows how pathetic is Hadopi and how much money is being wasted in that system.

  • Traveller

    One more thing:

    “Most people will weigh the free lunch mentality of piracy against the
    reality of losing their internet connection altogether, and they will
    choose to curtain or at least disguise and slow down the activities that
    are getting them in trouble.”

    Gee, i wonder if they’ll have a “Big Brother” system of following you after losing your Internet connection, so you can’t connect using a public WiFi with a laptop/smartphone or getting into the Net iin places as public libraries or callcenters.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Gee, i wonder if they’ll have a “Big Brother” system of following you
      after losing your Internet connection, so you can’t connect using a
      public WiFi with a laptop/smartphone…

      “Anon” will no doubt be along shortly with suggestion just along those lines. And a suggestion involving consecutive “dates” with a cellmate named “Pierre” and Mademoiselle Guillotine.

  • Fleabeard

    Ye want to stop US PIRATES……then cunt the power. Rrrrrr

    • Pierat

      so ye agree that cutting the power is the only way. btw you misspelled “cut” CAPTAIN, or did you really mean the cunts?

      • Fleabeard

        Rrrrr I meant cut. but ya CUNTS will work just the same.

  • geebus

    Now if only they put as much effort in to stopping drug dealer,pedophiles,car thief you know the sort of thing 99% of people care about not the 1% of the elite. The governments today need a fucking slap.

  • ralph

    HADOPI is simply trying to perpetuate itself as an organization, to survive and grow

    Chris Dodd of the MPAA has a salary of around 2.4 million USD a year. He also is trying to grow his organization and keep it healthy so he can continue to collect his fat salary.

    The TSA seeks to perpetuate itself.

    None of these organizations really care about their effectiveness or their adverse effect on society. They care about the perception of usefulness, which is exactly that: a perception.

    Depressing groups

    • Anon

      Why pay artists when you could be paying Chris Dodd?

      Your punishments are coming. Oooooooh.

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  • Guest

    So, HADOPI proved that it could spend less money to send out more notices? Not a surprise. It proves that they’ve been bullshitting about their efficiency, AND their claims that their initiative is reducing piracy (or they’re sending out even more false positives).

    Of course bobmail doesn’t care. He’s too busy chugging down Pelouzey’s industry white chocolate to care he’s been caught with his pants down and jizz in them.

  • TerribleTony

    Brilliant. Looks like the French Justice system is going to be clogged up with crap for the next 100 years. Hollande <- le fake Socialist.

  • TerribleTony

    Amazing that the first country to do the US’s bidding is the very same country that the US branded as “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”. It would appear the US has the French authorities down to a tee.

  • GoingPostal13

    Clearly working then …

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  • Mr_Joseph

    once upon a time, they said Internet is free & always will be.
    When Internet touched their Profits, Internet ain’t free
    WTF

    By the way, french people & their french colonies watch american movies dubbed in French, do you like watching Mr Schwarzenegger movie with voice of a french bastard ?
    Screw you french assholes !

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