GGF Plans Torrent Site Assimilation
Written by Ernesto on August 05, 2009Global Gaming Factory (GGF) is set to acquire The Pirate Bay by the end of August, but once the deal is closed they will set their sights on other torrent sites, in the hope of expanding their business even further. In time, GFF hopes to buy as many torrent sites as possible and turn them into ‘legit’ businesses.
As if the plans for the Pirate Bay haven’t generated enough publicity and controversy, GGF’s CEO Hans Pandeya is already preparing his next move. Aside from The Pirate Bay, the company aims to take over several other larger torrent sites.
“We will try to buy as many torrent sites as possible,” Pandeya told TorrentFreak. In common with their plans for The Pirate Bay, GGF hopes to turn these sites into large media stores where users can download content with the full permission of copyright holders.
TorrentFreak has confirmation from one of the major torrent sites that they have been approached by GGF. The owner of the site – who prefers to remain anonymous – told us that the contact was informal and that no deals have been closed thus far.
This isn’t the first time a company has targeted torrent sites in the hope of building a large network of traffic and potential customers. Three years ago Searching.com came up with a similar idea, and although they managed to get some advertising partnerships, none of the torrent sites were taken over at the time.
Things will be different this time around though. According to Hans Pandeya there are plenty of investors who are willing to partner with the company, and the entertainment industry is also following the latest developments with great interest.
The real problem for GGF is one of a different nature. They can buy dozens of sites and cut deals with all the big movie studios and record labels, but they have to find a way to keep downloading free, or at least dirt cheap. If they can’t pull this off, their newly acquired userbase will flock to the next torrent site in a snap.
Previously: The Pirate Bay to be Traded on NASDAQ
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106 Responses
go to hell GFF!
“TorrentFreak…
GGF’s bitch since 2009″
@2 Shut up and go take your Prozac.
As for this business model its doomed for failure. You can buy as many torrent sites as you want and make them look all nice & legit & pretty, and as soon as someone has to pay even 5 bucks a month for the SAME content they can get for free on another site, well…the net phrase “EPIC FAIL” comes to mind.
Dead in the water.
Any “hardcore” bittorent user will have plenty of alternatives.
The quite large user group they can target with this, are the ones who doesn’t know about private trackers – who only use bittorrent because of the availability.
These people will probably pay for the same services, provided it’s legit. And that’s fine really, let’s get some nice alternatives out there, I’m still using bittorrent.
I wonder how many admins will sell there site. Anyway I have set my hope oneswarm. piracy doesn’t go away, it evolves :)
GFF (or whatever): you can keep the name, “the pirate bay”, but the COMMUNITY SPIRIT will move on. No one will respect you. You will become another bag of corporate faggots WE, the freedom fighters, really HATE.
People won’t sell their souls to this absurd project. THERE ISN’T SUCH THING AS AN “ALTERNATIVE BUSINESS MODEL”. There is “FREE” and there is “PAID”.
I choose FREE.
No, even dirt cheap won’t work since there’s a lot of places in the world where the only type of money commonly available is cash. The problem is often not only with the fact that you have to pay something, it also concerns payment methods.
All this people from media industry are lunatics really.
They live in a fantasy island and really believe that the citizens of the world will stop of sharing simply because these morons (media industry) want it.
The people won’t stop of sharing, this is a legitimate right; but these morons don’t realize it yet.
I predict this will be similar to dot-com bubble.
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I wonder how many admins will sell there site.
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We don’t know… But TPB crew taught us that the money was more important that their beliefs, and that each human being has a price.
Some of these pro-bittorrent sites do it just by the money, and not by ideology.
Can anyone reccomend a few top alternatives to pirate bay to help a few noobs out?
just when you think he’s already got his head stuck firmly into the ground he’s now gone one further and decided his head wasn’t enough and to stick his whole body in lol
i’ve said this guy was delusional before today many times.. now reading this
not only does he believe this acquiring the pirate bay will work but he’s also believing he can start to acquire the rest of the torrent sites
is he paying people with monopoly money?
ok let the theory’s begin
1. he wants to aquire the entire lot of the big four sites once he has then he shuts them down as he is a front for the industry, once the sites are shut there is the main.. 4 sites that millions of people used daily gone.
2. he is really working on his own beleive that this whole sharade will work and people will use the service
what i would like to know from the creators of this site the authors who actually got to speak to this guy
did you tell him to read the actual comments of his future userbase on this site or other sites so he can see just how the public is reacting to this news? or does he just release news to the world then turn his computer off and not witness any backlash or any comments from his userbase?
would be nice if TF could actually get him to view the comments of his user base and actually help himself by coming clean with more details what or how their new business model will work.
TF your stories are great love reading them but you never ever seem to ask the right questions, the questions we the people the readers hope to see very soon.
if you have the chance again to speak to this guy ask them the questions we all want answers too and see the reply.
I wish people would stop crapping on about private trackers, faster downloads yes, extra security no.
Think about it, if I can get an invite or register on an open day so can everyone else, including the bad guys, and whilst the likes of TPB didn’t keep logs, private trackers have to so things like ratio’s can be monitored.
Anyway back on point, I do wonder where GGF are getting the funding from, RIAA etc are looking like the obvious culprits for me.
As much as i’d had enough of these ggf/tpb stories, we the community need to keep our eyes on GGF. Thanks torrentfreak for the headsup, these people need to be monitored.
fuck that.
it’s already 12$ to see a god damn movie in theaters, and 20$ to buy the dvd. i’m not paying shit.
exactly see he’s hoping to buy all the competition out so there wont be an easy way for users to just easy migrate to other sites
if there is no more public big sites to flock too then hes has the majority of users in his pocket they will be forced to use his new sites.
for the rest of the userbase who’s not going to be forced like a herded sheep into his new business model they will find their new home there is many around which has something in their headers like were not selling out anytime soon, we welcome all piratebay users with open arms,
upto now demonoid has been approached, eztv been approached and mininova
i can’t see the green devil selling out anytime soon with all they’ve been though eztv just re-launched their new site with new servers so they wont be selling out anytime soon as for mininova they already filtering torrents so it’s a given this is the next domain name and userbase that hans is going after.
I can confirm another. GGF did contact also us. Contact was informal and no deals have been closed. We also made it pretty clear to GGF that we will never sell our torrent site to anybody. We are priceless and millions of money don’t interest us. We are more interested about internet freedom and filesharing freedom. We did not like TPB “sellout thing”
It did also become clear that GGF is only tool for music and movie industry to try close “illegal” torrent sites by bying so many than possible. We wish also that other torrent sites think twice before sell. Is money more important than things we fight for? Of course it is much easier sell site and give up than fight. When Im talking about us, I mean me and my stuff we are us. Some credits for my stuff. Thank you guys for years loyalty and that we all could agree we never sell our site. Without you guys our site would be so great. So thank you my stuff for all. Lets keep continue and develop and evolve to something great in future.
We will hope that history will be remember us as group who did make fight for internet freedom and legal legal. We are happy to destroy old system, MAFIAA system which don’t work. We want also thank our site users without you we would be nothing. We know our users don’t like idea selling site and we fully support our site users.
We all are fileshare users and together all TF readers and all others we can beat MAFIAA. We keep fighting until filesharing becomes legal. To take this fight next level we need pirateparties. So all if you want change things vote pirateparty in your country also join pirateparty in your country. Thank you all for fighting for something more important than money
“Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated…”
Yeah right. Bittorrent will live on, until they close teh interwebs.
The Film independence day is coming to mind..their moving from planet to planet exterminating everything
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I do wonder where GGF are getting the funding from, RIAA etc are looking like the obvious culprits for me.
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GGF is simply a mask for the executives from the very corrupt USA media industry for trying of taking control of the BitTorrent protocol as a whole, that’s all. This is a very organized plan from them, and I don’t understand as apparently nobody has realized this so obvious.
Take away the legitimate right of the normal citizen of sharing via internet and converting it in a pay service has been the big dream of the corrupt and greedy executives from USA media industry by at least the last 10 years.
The only way of stopping these criminals is simply don’t buy or consume their products at all… each time that you buy a RIAA album or MPAA movie or you go to the cinema you are openly supporting terrorism and corporative power, remember that.
@2 is GGF invading TorrentFreak? No.
Corporate capitalism is trying to invade an absolutely true, pure, and perfect “free market” protocol.
And the market googles: “private tracker invites”
web sites don’t pirate people do
you can buy their ships, but can you buy them?
are all the uploaders going to stop b/c TPB is gone?
and as an aside….what happens to all the people who want to share their own content on bt sites legally?? if all the big sites are pay sites wont it hurt them?
I’m wondering where the author of comment 17 is from. Obviously someone has filesharing morals.
Hm, first the site founders gets sued like TPB, then it’s going to be bought. ‘Nice’ plan, if it’s been coordinated.
Let’s hope they don’t get rid of ISOhunt.
Every site should ’sell out’ meaning sell the domain name(s) (and other useless stuff like source code). And then just move the site to a new domain name. Enough names to think of. Like mafiaa-nova , thepiratecave-in, demons-in-disguise ?
This will take (some) money away from the MAFIAA and allows the admins to run the new domain(s) using MAFIAA money (no ads needed) and use it to protect themselves with expensive laywers and maybe even bought judges.
Its just a thought.
(Would the MAFIAA be stupid enough to try to buy the same sites twice ?)
It just sounds so strange how they imagine they can turn popular torrent sites into legitimate businesses just like that.
One thing for sure is that content on this kind of torrent sites would be highly limited compared to their current status, because in the end it would then be GGF deciding what’s worth taking under their shelter.
This won’t go happen.
The Torrent community won’t let it happen.
My advise
Remember your bloody pirates arrg lol
So sell your ships(sites) but before you go delete the logs Ctrl+C the torrents and Ctrl+V into a new website with a lot of cash to make it protected.
Why is everybody so worked up about this company buying up the big sites?
Sell them to it.
Use the cash to make bigger and better sites add free and anonymous and crap
just don’t sign non competitive with the deal ok
-Jay
the problem is that the record wasn’t making any moves into the new millennium, when we first started to download stuff. If they already had a cheap ass business model/plan for their content, their wouldnt be any “piracy” or at least not as much.
So i have to say only this to the record companies: TOO LATE, I AM SORRY :)
@ Anonymous
well that would explain the boring stories
Meanwhile, Brokep has gone bonkers
http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26229
People are going nuts because the bad publicity is spoiling an insider trading scheme of a couple of friends. Brokep, anakata and tiamo are using their own money to have their friends buy their site and then they can safe face pretending that they have sold the thing for millions and millions (yes, but they already had these millions). They can then go and pay their undoubtedly lower fine after the appeal and probably they will be put on probation.
Pirates happy, Swedes happy, MAFIAA happy, nothing changes.
‘legit’ business
How boring is THAT ?
‘legit’ business doesn’t have ANY interesting high quality content that happens to be free and in a convenient format.
Why else would there be a need for places like the old TPB ?
‘legit’ business !
No thanks, i’d rather plug an eye out, that would be more fun.
Especially if it wasn’t mine. ;)
Interesting thoughts. One also wonders whether they are only running 1 single bittorrent website.
Europe not as safe as you thought:
http://www.iptegrity.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=378&Itemid=9
Independence Day alright
http://www.theage.com.au/national/police-bust-harry-potter-piracy-ring-20090806-ea8s.html
According to authorities, Michael Crippen “willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage and private financial gain, circumvented a technological measure that effectively controlled access to a copyrighted work, more particularly, used software to modify a Xbox machine’s Optical Disc drive so it would circumvent anti-piracy measures contained on the original unmodified Optical Disc Drive.”
The student has admitted to modifying consoles for $30 a piece, but he was quick to point out that he was doing so to allow people to legally create backups stating, “If you’re talking about piracy, I’m not helping you out.”
The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 explains “no person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.” Mr. Cripped violated this act by modifying consoles that resulted in the bypassing of DRM security measures.
Micheal Crippen faces two counts of violating the DMCA which could place him in prison for up to ten years if convicted. Homeland Security said that the federal government had made a target of Cripped for organizing his home-based console modding business.
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/20465/Student-Arrested-for-Modding-Xbox-Consoles/
their not here to make peace they are here to destroy us they go from planet to planet wiping out any and all living creatures..
Those who support selling torrent sites. Have clearly not think about it much. Negative things selling site.
1. It is very selfish to sell site and betray all site users which are against selling. Most site users are against selling. Site users makes site popular not site owners.
2. After selling site MAFIAA got your full information. So if you start new site you will be sued fast to court and closed. No point.
3. Ads cover all site costs or user donations or both depends about site.
4. All time what have used to build site and its name would be gone forever.
5. Starting new site would take much time and also much time to build name for it. Don’t forgot part 2.
6. Betraying site users by selling would make difficult start from zero level again. Plus 2. and 5. parts.
7. After selling site and getting millions make motivation to make new site very low. Most site sellers don’t make new site.
8. Selling site also prove to all others that your values can bought by money. It also prove real motive to make site was actually making money.
9. It will also prove money is much more important than moral things in life. Torrent sites and internet freedom and fight to make filesharing legal and fight against MAFIAAA. Is much more important than millions of money. Do we want live in police nation what MAFIAA wants? or do we want live free nation where copyright industry is not lobbying laws. People would make fair laws and filesharing would be legal forever. In free nation there would not be copyright lobby laws because that would be illegal by law. In free nation peoples force copyright to make bisnes models which works even filesharing is legal.
10. Selling sites would also give MAFIAA and all others prove that site owners are making money. In long term that would have very negative effect to torrent sites.
Positive things about selling.
1. Much money.
2. Money.
3. money….
Anti piracy could not stop Torrent sites. so they bring a good plan how to decrease piracy.
They will buy famous torrent sites and piracy will decrease by 70-80% and that means full profit to Media companies.
Use your brain sometimes !
They will spend 8 million $ and save 1000 billions by stopping TPB file distribution service!
Get CLEAVER jack@sses.
They will buy all famous torrent sites and decrease piracy 80-85% i am sure.
I always recommended anti piracy companies to come with a good idea, at last they brought a good idea.
Really, this idea is very very good one to decrease piracy.
Spend 8 million $ – save 1000 billion.
Good Brain Anti piracy !
Better than outright piracy, but I have doubts about them being able to take the sites legal. The only reason why people torrent is because it’s free and the only way to make it legit is to require fees and, I doubt anyone would want to do that.
They will buy famous torrent sites and piracy will decrease by 70-80% and that means full profit to Media companies.
Hahahahahahaha!!
Umm, yeah.
Hahahahahahaha!! Hahahahahahaha!!
Hahahahahahaha!!
I really hope for you’re sake you’re kidding. Otherwise you’re just as naive as GGF is.
Pirate Bay buyer set for deal with top record label, The Swedish Wire writes.
EMI, Universal Music, Sony Music or Warner Music???
http://www.swedishwire.com/business/664-pirate-bay-buyer-set-for-deal-with-top-record-label-
Lol @ 42… Has any1 told you that there are plenty of alternatives to TPB already and that TPB database was already cloned?
It may work if they make a whole lot of music available for cheap prices. I mean, pay $5 a month and download what would cost $2000 in CDs is a fair deal or buy a song for $0.5 instead of spending $20 on a CD you don’t want sounds nice.
For the first case ($5 for whatever you can grab) I would probably pay a month just to justify what I have already downloaded and get higher quality songs for the ones that are too crappy… That is, if they ever have what I listen to…
For the second I’d just buy the ones that are worth buying instead of downloading a whole lot.
In either case I’d still go for the free sites to check the content b4 buying. So, mr Afghan, you are wrong. Downloads will not stop just like there are plenty of people that buy the stuff even after downloading.
“GGF Assimilating nothing into nothing”
Thats what comes to my mind when i first read the title, As far as I have read torrent sites are basically just web addresses.
@45 people do not just use torrent sites or content sites for music there is world outside of music and films.
tv, applications, scripts, dox, and so on.. then there is the great misc section and then porn
there is no way the bay will even get close to a deal with TV shows, Applications is a defo no because lets face it there is just that many applications in the world today, scripts again they are all commercial normally, dox, well they come from scene groups normally so they are out the window, he wont do porn due to the stigma it has with it, so thats 80% of the users gone..
music will be DRM’d and in their proprietary format same as movies.
Regardless what they try and do it wont work plain and simple.
The problem with existing legal downloading sites isn’t the price, it’s the restrictive DRM and the regional restrictions that limit sales to a few selected markets.
If GGF can address those two major issues, then they can quite easily charge a reasonable price for the service and people will pay. If they can do that while also offering superiour quality compared with common pirated versions, then they will very likely succeed in attracting the business of a lot of existing file shares.
But I have my doubts about that, and my guess is that they will offer the same low quality, DRM infected rubbish restricted to just a few markets, and when they fail, the MAFIAA will try to use it to blame file sharers for their failing business model again.
But, still, I’m keen to find out for sure.
Stop consuming “units of their product”.
Stop giving them free promotion.
Promote independent artists, promote those who support file-sharing as a promotional tool.
Fuck the RIAA/MPAA/etc. and their lame cookie-cutter artists and so-called “art”… or the same tired films that are constant re-hashes of crap we’ve seen before but with different overpaid actors in them.
Properly boycott them, their material usually teachs little other than how to be mindless, moronic consumers, fixated on stupid “bling” nonsense or a high life that hardly anyone can reastically achieve in the current economic climate!
Wake up, shut their industry down, make their pathetic mainstream “artists” seem uncool and that supporting them supports their efforts to violate your rights to fair use.
If they continue to attack us… it’s best to starve them.
If you feel you NEED to download their shit, shame on you… but at least make sure you NEVER promote it to your friends when they are around by playing it in their presence.
Promote independent.. lock down the mainstream.. shut ‘em down.
I can’t wait for the “Oh. This content is not available in Canada. So solly” then I’ll go back to downloading illegally.
They will just never ever learn.
The optimism of GGF is astounding, and not in a good way. What makes them think that their investors will want to pour money into buying other torrent sites once they see TPB crash and burn?
Unless that’s actually their plan. To buy torrent sites, make them legit, then sit back and watch the site effectively commit suicide when the userbase jumps ship. Pretty bad one if so. GGF’s dictionary obviously doesn’t define the word “hydra”.
@50 Sendaii
They can always start selling 99 cent ringtones…theres enough stupid people out there to earn a living off of.
@51 duMPAA: Yeah, and then charge them £3.00 a week for ever more even when they request that the subscription be canceled. Either that, or sue them for trying to cancel in the first place. I wouldn’t put it past the MAFIAA, that’s for sure.
if i’m going to pay, i want direct download links to the actual content with super fast download speeds and not a torrent that i hope someone is seeding.
they are going to fail hard
GGF already owns Torrentleech, all insiders know that. So the boss there is not delusional hes been torrent boss in many trackers you call “private”, he knows exactly what hes talking about, get a life and join the wagon.
Just a MAFIA’s bitch whose mission is killing BitTorrent. No way.
torrent sites and their communities are built on trust and reputation. you cannot buy trust. you cannot buy reputation
http//:www.h33t.com NOT for sale
oops
*http://www.h33t.com where too much beer is never enough
@46 GrX
Absolutely! Plus I don’t know how many “copyright holders” companies there are out there, but that’s a lot, if we want to include “tv, applications, scripts, dox, etc.”
GGF would have to sign agreements with every one of them that owns something that’s on TPB. I wonder how long it’s gonna take/how much it’s gonna cost/…
On the other hand, they could also just delete torrents, but that would be the fatal mistake as TPB’s spirit was to never delete a single torrent (and none ever was).
I will allways download 4 free to check it out, and I’m also happy that this might provide a good service to also support artists or programmers 4 stuff id like to buy. Lets face it, this will provide us with both. Free and comercial… the choise is then up to you to do what you want
it will work as long as they give theimpression the site is still ¬underground¬. Crowds are braindead and will remain braindead.
I know 4 very feted prive (or ¬elite¬) torrent trackers that are actually controlled by smart businesses.
Of course you still keep young egotrippers as facade admins.
Personally I`m totally against this sort of scam but reality is usually far sadder than truth.
Nobody cares about truth in torrentfreak, starting with this blog admins. But reality is inescapable now: BITTORRENT=UTTER FAIL
53 said:
“GGF already owns Torrentleech”
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Could you post some evidence of that?
I was googling but I didn’t find nothing.
TPB will most likely fail when the takeover happens, however if its ‘legit’ and prices are fair then i do not see why i should discontinue using TPB? They conformed to my belief that media should be affordable.
If the pirates ultimate goal is for all media/entertainment to be available for everyone for free at any moment, then we’re fighting a losing battle. There is a middle ground of affordable content which you never know GGF might strike.
on a side note; if i was TPB and i’d been sought of as a high value example by all the pro-copyright groups for various law suits over the last few years, i’d be inclined to take an offer and move on and get out of the lime light spending all my days wondering how many summonds to court i missed.
They where at the front of the fight for the last couple of years but they also made themselves the biggest target…. millions of dollars later and in the future maybe jail terms if more law suits come….
Maybe its time to let someone else carry the torch for the public BT community, its not like the oh so amazing private trackers are trying to make waves in the public arena.
63 said:
“If the pirates ultimate goal is for all media/entertainment to be available for everyone for free at any moment, then we’re fighting a losing battle.”
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We are not pirates. we are filesharers who exert our legitimate and legal RIGHT to share information and culture with others, Period. If you are looking for piracy; here a good one example:
http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-group-prosecuted-for-failing-to-pay-artists-090722/
BTW, you sound as a GGF shill.
After reading this article, a certain instance came to mind.
For years, we played Paintball for free in the woods next to a river. One day, the Big Paintball companies created a pay-to-play field which No one ever went to play.
Since they knew all the players were playing for free, they started calling the cops. They finally complained enough that the cops shut down all the free fields.
They thought it would make all the players go to the pay-to-play field if they wanted to still play paintball. This did not happen. A small group start other free fields. Most people quit. Now, all of the paintball companies are out of business.
I’m not saying anyone is going to go out of business. I believe torrents will exist and file share will always be around. (I started in the BBS days).
What I am saying, is that these businesses have been pissing people off for years. In a time where people are not buying much as it is. I would think you would want to be as nice as possible. No one wants to play with people who take you ball first. Most people who use torrents buy the DVDs/Music or Software. They just want to see how it is first.
Honestly, I wouldn’t mind paying a small fee to download episodes of The Office, or what ever, as long as the fee is reasonable, the downloads are quick, and no DRM is involved. I don’t pirate because it’s free, though that is a very nice additive, I pirate because it’s convenient.
I don’t want to make my schedule around TV broadcasters, nor do I want to have to wait for a DVD box set to be released to view the content at my own leisure. The box set prices don’t really appeal to me, either.
If I could pay for content with my bandwidth (keeping a reasonable or high upload ratio) instead of money, and download any movie or TV show in a clean, watchable format (h.264 720p encodes would be delicious) with no DRM, I would be all over that. Other people could pay with money instead of bandwidth to not have to maintain a ratio, and everyone would be happy. I get my content in the way I want it, MPAA/RIAA gets their cash from people who don’t want to contribute to the swarm (and ads no less), everyone wins.
The best way to stop piracy is not to go after the pirates, but to change your game to compete with them. Sure some people will still pirate, but many pirates only do so because it’s the only alternative to bowing down to the demands of the unreasonable.
Seem like bluff. Or like “what you can’t destroy, buy it” …
They haven’t even implemented a successful model yet and they want to buy out other sites. Pandeya is a frigging moron. The copyright holders are not going to give up their strangle hold on what they already have control of, unless its riddled with crippling DRM. Secondly they won’t succeed unless they’re the bitch of RIAA/MPAA/IFPI and in that case no one will use them.
Stupid company
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Fail
@Mr.Afghanistan
Err…
One: Filesharing doesn’t cause even a decimal point percentage of that number in damage. There is no evidence to show that it does.
Two: Remember Napster? When the RIAA shut it down, they undoubtedly wanted filesharing to die right then and there. It didn’t. The sharers spread to other protocols and the number of sharers expanded. TPB is not the only tracker out there, and if it does get removed from the game, people will just go elsewhere instead of quitting sharing.
it makes me laugh more and more … is there a link between these guys and the Irak minister of foreign affaires … you know the one that said “There are no Americans over here and if they will come here we slaughter them all” :-) he also made me laugh …
This entire system they are thinking of is domed to fail. Big fail however I think like any filesharing system torrent will one day also be replaced by something better and as said before … a good solution would be to make somekind of distributed tracker. The piratebay has about 32 GB of torrent files. with 2.000.000 seeders that is about … 4 kb!!! for every seeder. How hard can it be to make a distributed system that only has to share about 5 kb a person… make it redundant and put all data at at least 20 persons then it still is less then 100 kb !!! that is like seeding one torrent …
However I’m not a developer but a hosting provider. If anyone has good ideas just put some developer internetz together!
Demonoid says jam it up ya ring
@72 Aug 06, 2009 at 10:45 by cliff:
There are solutions already even if all trackers go down bittorrent still can function because it uses DHT(Distributed Hash Tables) the problem would be finding the torrents not the trackers.
Still even to find torrents anonymous solutions already exist like the hidden services from TOR or the Osiris serverless system(different from the Osiris security opensource app).
And there is the apps that already have all this functionality (search,DHT, anonymity and encryption) all bundle up in a single app like GNUnet, Retroshare, StealthNet and other, so you see P2P is ahead off the curve here and still developing fast and so fast that is hard to keep up with everything that appears.
Me think that the MAFIAA realized that instead of wasting millions to prosecute one user it would be better and cheaper to just buy the competitors out and close them down LoL
if people pay out around $50 a month for private sites like i do then having legal downloads of retail quality movies sounds great to me count me in GGF.
One thing I don’t understand is why people still use torrents to download music.
Youtube, daily motion, and others have a lot of music, illegal or otherwise and I just don’t remember the last time I used bittorrent to listen to music online and to be complete honest if its not on youtube I just don’t know about it or jamendo I’m making an effort to listen to jamendo.
Please count me out, anything that gives money to the MAFIAA I’m staying away from it until the laws are changed and balanced I will not give money to those people.
A new Discordia/iMesh/MusicLab is born? :S
fakeshareaza.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMesh#Legality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BearShare#History
Yeah, er good luck with that, GGF. You’re gonna need it.
Ahh interesting. Corporations have a multi-pronged attack. Their lobby groups corrupt various governments to do things their way. They corrupt the legal systems to get their “show trials”. Then they just buy out all the torrent sites to “legitimize” them.
They are going to crash and burn. Seriously, the point of torrents if FREE. Not, pay $50 a month.
Nothing if free someone has to pay for the servers, on so called free sites its advertising but these are slow full of fakes and monitored very closely by the wrong people logging IP’S and sending out warnings or worse , so I here you say use a proxy! Again slow and only the pay ones give good speed, pay sites give good speed and top quality more importantly they are a lot safer , what GGF want to do is create a massive pay site that’s fine by me BUT they best not rip people of or it WILL fail, value for money is key with this.
A new Discordia/iMesh/MusicLab AKA P2P-scammer is born?
http://fakeshareaza.com
without flaming anyone please take your head out the sand!!
1. 99% of the content on the trackers are by scene release groups which are leaked as we all know the scene doesn’t even want their stuff on bittorrent.
so now the new owner is going to be using and making a living of pirated scene groups releases? haha yea right the scene will just stop releasing anything because this guy is profiting from their time and hard work.
for the deliusional people here (oh i lovely 720p encode would be lush) come on wake the F up!! yea can see the industry sat there at their work stations lol encoding XviD and or .264 encodes lmao
i can picture it now mpaa employing people to take their commercial titles grab a copy of anydvd hd lol and break the ACCS protection and have a full line of staff at their little work stations ripping to 700mb or 1.36gb releases in XviD or DivX or mkv lmao…
what kind of world do you wake up in , in a morning it’s sure not earth.
what will mr hans do when scene shuts up shop or the leakers stop leaking the content just to make a point they stop for a few months,
where’s mr hans going to make his money from then on content that doesn’t exist for him to continue making money of?
is he going to rip his own movies and put them on or go buy applications and crack them himself.
thank you for reading for the people who has some common sense
I like the way a lot of you are claiming that GGF are tools for the music industry buying this and that out. But isn’t this a good thing in a way? At least they are offering a monetary solution rather than busting down their doors and arresting them.
75 said:
“Me think that the MAFIAA realized that instead of wasting millions to prosecute one user it would be better and cheaper to just buy the competitors out and close them down LoL”
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Exactly, You understood it correctly.
This is an organized plan from the MAFIAA for closing and destroying to the competition and staying the traditional MAFIAA cartels as the only alternative, that’s all.
Particularly, I won’t give a cent of my money for supporting these MAFIAA cartels, who are thieves and international mobsters, and who clearly want take away my legitimate right to share information and culture with others.
Oops! Sorry for my double post :S
I thought my first post was deleted..
omg Vaporwarez…GTFO
Another thing;
It’s a fact that they (the MAFIAA) want to take away our legitimate and legal civil right of sharing
freely information and culture with others via internet and converting it in a business, a pay service.
It’s from any point of view, something unacceptable.
The basic civil rights are not negotiable, Period.
If these damn capitalists would have had the opportunity of monetizing the sunlight, the oxygen and the water that all us need for living, even the point of making it a monopoly for controling to all us and our lives, believe me, they would already have done it; without care at all about of undermining us.
Damn greedy bastards.
The way I think it will work is like this, you will only be able to buy downloads of movies and other stuff that you can buy on the net or in shops, there will be no cams, screeners, or r5’s it will only be legit stuff but AT A FRACTION OF THE COST because there will be no production costs involved ‘ ie if a movie costs $15 in a shop $ 12 on line it may cost $6 or $7 to download a retail copy from this new system of distribution , this will do away with all the production cost’s to make a hard copy and will be a fast and easy way to distribute world wide , you may get deals like so much a month for so many downloads , just like the paid music downloads, sad I know but it is the only way a business like this can work and they will have to have a distribution licence from each movie company and so on and so on, you may also get a bit of advertising from the movie company’s as THIS CAN ONLY BE DONE BY AGREMENT if it is going to work, TOTALLY DIFFERENT to what we have now, I know some of you will laugh but trust me on this I know people in the industry, this is what they want it’s a compromise , we get things on the cheap they still get some cash for there labours , there’s a saying — all good things must end.
” One own the air / One pay to breath “
“there’s a saying — all good things must end.”
maybe, but filesharing will even outlive this planet.
Aug 05, 2009 at 19:43 by Jack
Can anyone reccomend a few top alternatives to pirate bay to help a few noobs out?
I RECOMMEND DEMONOID.
http://www.demonoid.com
Well, GGF are ambitious, you gotta give them that…
YOU KNOW WHAT NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE BROUGHT UP IS THE QUESTION THAT WHEN THESE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE MPAA AND RIAA AMONG OTHERS,IS WHEN YOU GUYS WERE KIDS GROWING UP DIDN’T YOU EVER HAVE A TAPE RECORDER AND MAKE TAPES FROM RECORDS OR CDS (BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T HAVE A PORTABLE CD PLAYER,BUT YOU DID HAVE A HOME PLAYER OR SOMEBODY YOU KNEW DID AND YOU HAD A PORTABLE CASSETTE DECK)? IF SO HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE DO AS FILE SHARERS? I THINK THAT IT IS THE SAME THING,ANYBODY ELSE AGREE?
I AM ALWAYS…
WILD
Dude, of course it’s basically the same thing, the biggest difference is how widespread it is and how much money record companies are losing because of file-sharing versus how little they were losing due to some kids tape recording songs off the radio.
This is pretty commonly accepted fact, I think.
Does anyone see the irony of having a legal download site called The PIRATE Bay?
lol x 1,000,000
haha ill NEVER buy from the mpaa or riaa again.
havent for years.
you sue my peers ruin lives so ill not for over another penny.
Did that guy (4) just actually use the term “hardcore bittorrent user”? seriously? I mean really?
GGF can be sure that I won’t be going on any site that they’ve touched, and they won’t be getting a cent from me. If it means that I have to go to darknets, then so be it.
Buying up sites just for the userbase is a retarded business strategy.
one thing i wanna say about GGF, GO TO HELL!!!!, U WILL NOT WIN!!!
This is bullshit.
GGF CAN GET LOST.
Sharing = sharing, not making $$$$
Based on the comments it seems that this statement “their newly acquired userbase will flock to the next torrent site in a snap.” is true.
Who can be so dumb in atempt to buy userbase.
It is same as buying bank and converting it into casino with hope that customers will not notice anything.
They can buy as many sites they want it cost nothing to make new site in few days. and it is even better if dome dumbass will buy it again that means more free money.
Only possible business model is voluntary payment that is how artists were living for ages before copyright.
ant that is how they will be forced to live in future.
I they will newer force me to pay anything because It is me who choses amount of payment and not content creator.
Man, Bittorrent admins are gonna be rich!
RICH i tells ya!
i’m gonna start my own BT site,
sell it,
restart it,
sell it,
???,
PROFIT!
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