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Google Defends Hotfile (and Megaupload) in Court

Google has filed a brief at a federal court in Florida defending the file-hosting site Hotfile in its case against the MPAA. The search giant accuses the movie companies of misleading the court and argues that Hotfile is protected under the DMCA’s safe harbor. Indirectly, Google is also refuting claims being made by the US government in the criminal case against Megaupload.

hotfileIn February 2011, the MPAA announced a lawsuit against Hotfile, one of the Internet’s most popular cyberlocker services.

The site’s popularity is “a direct result of the massive digital theft that Hotfile promotes,” the movie industry group said.

Two weeks ago the movie studios asked the court to issue a summary judgment against Hotfile and shut the site down. The MPAA argues that Hotfile is a piracy haven that should not be eligible for DMCA safe harbor protection.

This request didn’t go unnoticed by Google, who have now filed an amicus brief in support of the file-hosting site. According to Google, the movie studios are misleading the court by wrongfully suggesting that Hotfile is not protected by the DMCA.

What makes this even more interesting is that many of the arguments made by Google are also relevant to the criminal indictment against Megaupload.

In their brief, Google points out that YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Wikipedia are able to thrive because they are protected by the DMCA. But, if the MPAA has its way, these and other services will be in serious trouble.

“Without the protections afforded by the safe harbors, those services might have been forced to fundamentally alter their operations or might never have launched in the first place,” Google writes in the brief.

The MPAA has argued that Hotfile has no right to exist because it’s used predominantly for copyright-infringing purposes. Google replies to this by arguing that it’s irrelevant how many infringements there are. Under the DMCA it would only be problematic if Hotfile is aware of each and every individual pirated file on its systems.

“The case-law uniformly rejects efforts to deprive service providers of the safe harbor based on generalized awareness that unspecified (or even ‘rampant’) infringement is occurring on their services,” Google writes.

Google continues to say that the DMCA specifically states that service providers such as Hotfile can’t lose their safe harbor protection because they refuse to filter content upon request from the movie companies.

“It guards against any claim that a service provider loses the safe harbor by failing to ‘adopt specific filtering technology’ or any other technique suggested by copyright owners for affirmatively seeking out possible infringement occurring on its service.”

Google stresses that the burden to report and identify pirated material lies with the copyright holder, not Hotfile, and suggests that the MPAA tried to mislead the court to believe otherwise.

“The Court should not be misled. It should resist any effort to shift the investigatory burden that Congress deliberately allocated to copyright owners or to impose on Hotfile policing obligations of which it is specifically relieved by the DMCA,” Google writes.

megaupload logoMoving on to another issue, one that’s also key in the criminal case against Megaupload, Google says that there’s nothing wrong with only removing links to files.

Both the MPAA and the US Government claim that it’s wrong for Hotfile to delete links but keep the actual files on their servers, but Google disagrees.

“Plaintiffs make much of the fact that Hotfile, at least for a time, apparently removed only the specific download link identified as infringing in a given DMCA takedown notice, and did not take the additional step of blocking other files on its system (not called out in the notice) that might have also have contained the copyrighted work at issue,” they write.

“But, in this respect, Hotfile did exactly what the DMCA demands, and plaintiffs’ takedown notices cannot be used to charge the service with knowledge of allegedly infringing material that those notices did not specifically identify.”

This is an interesting observation that does indeed make sense. While Google doesn’t mention it, removing the actual files would indeed be overbroad and wrong. For example, if an artist stores his files on Hotfile but wants to take unauthorized copies offline, he or she would not want Hotfile to delete the original as well. The same is true for YouTube videos and a variety of other content.

At the end of the brief Google asks the court to “reject plaintiffs’ efforts to undermine the protections provided by the statute’s safe harbors” and dismiss the motion for default judgment against Hotfile.

While Google’s interest in the Hotfile case is no surprise (they rely heavily on the DMCA themselves), it is intriguing to see that Google is fiercely defending Hotfile and in part Megaupload.

After all the attacks on cyberlocker sites in recent months Google’s support will be welcomed with open arms by the file-hosting industry. Whether the MPAA will be very happy is a different story.

Update: MPAA just asked the court to deny Google’s amicus brief. They argue that Google’s perspective is one-sided and that the company acts as a partisan advocate for Hotfile.

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  • http://twitter.com/jwebbed Jonathan Webb

    I love moments like this because I get to remind some friends that not all corporations are bad. Regardless this is excellent to hear name’s like google putting themselves out there like this.

    • Anyone

      often Google is true to their motto “don’t be evil”

      • Anonymous

        If you call fighting fire with fire (throwing suitcases of money at politicians with stipulations) as not being evil..

        • Anyone

          well, tell me another way how to stop the MAFIAA from perverting the law further?

          money is the only language politicians understand, which is sad in itself, but for now that is simply how the system works

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          Let’s be frank. Google was principled then SOPA happened. Google now understands that they have to bribe Republicans and Democrats in order to ensure SOPA never happens again.

          They’ll soon turn fully evil (like their linking up to NSA) but that’s an entirely different fight for a different day.

        • Dgfjjsfhkn

          As long as someone made sure this gets to Mega’s lawyers… Because I thought they’d be f@cked for just removing links. Seems legit after all…

        • Anonymous

          They are “not being evil” as well as they can. Being a major corporation is like being a giant in the land of the Liliputs – it’s hard to move at all without squashing something underfoot.

          Should you have reservations regarding Google? Oh, my, yes. You should have reservations against anyone who possesses influence and power over you. Should you criticize them for wrong-doing? Yes.

          As you should with Apple, Microsoft, Facebook and for that matter your government.

          Don’t start demonizing them until they have a consistent record of abusing their customers however – or as the case might be, their “merchandise”.

          As for throwing suitcases of money at politicians…well, if they didn’t they wouldn’t exist anymore. It’s that simple. The aggressor chooses the rules of engagement and the battlefield. If you don’t like a system where providing gagging bagfuls of money at politicians with stipulations is the only way to survive in the market, then change that system.

        • Anonymous

          yes i do, that is operating in a system that is evil by definition. the only way you can do things in america is to throw money at politicians till they do what you want. In india and russia it is called corruption in the us and uk its called lobbying.

    • Gae

      Google care….. about themselves.
      The MPAA are trying to alter the way DMCA takedowns work and if they succeed it will be bad news for how Google operates and that is all they care about. They are only stepping in because they have something to loose too.

      • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

        Yup! Absolutely spot-on Gae. Google have lodged this amicus brief in the hope of avoiding similar cases being thrown at them in the future. This is a purely cynical move by Google for totally selfish reasons, and NOT some sorta mission of kindness to protect Hotfile or MegaUpload.

        And btw, Google’s new motto is “Trust us! We’ll do your Evil”.

        • MAFFIANeeds2Go

          It’s a win for all of us not just Google wake up the MAFFIA has nothing to bring to the table except more headaches.

        • Anyone

          anyone stepping up against the MAFIAA is welcome

        • Jonathan

          You don’t want Google to be playing defense in the name of kindness or some bs fantasy fairytale story that takes place in a utopia of self-sacrificial altruism. You want them playing defense like it’s their life at stake, as though their very existence depends on it.

        • GoogleE

          As someone who has worked with Google in London for 3+ years, I just want to say the idea that Google is evil and only cares about itself like other corps is wrong; Google genuinely cares about laws affecting Internet businesses & economic freedom – see HCY in 2009 for example; it actually damaged their business interests yet they defended it in court.

          Is Google angelic? No, but it is by no means evil.

        • Not-a-GOOG-fan-boy

          oh fucking come on! And why exactly are they evil?? DO you fucking own a startup company that got hit by Google because they moved to your niche?? How are they evil when they fucking offer you free awesome services without charging you anything??? But still they manage to scrounge up enough money to be one of the biggest companies out there… HOW THE FUCK IS THAT EVIL?? Making money and being good at what you do makes you evil?? MOving to niche because you think you can do awesome things in that niche, makes you evil?

          And even if Google did this for purely SELFISH REASON, what the fuck is wrong with that?? DO you expect all companies to be oh so cuddly and championing the cause of everyone? Fucking retard! At least they are doing something. How bout you?? are you doing anything about this? Is your beloved company(if you have one) doing anything about this? Seriously people… I dont get the GOOGLE IS EVIL rage nowadays. Fucking hypocrites the lot of you! If you really think they are evil then STOP using their PRODUCTS!

        • JK Henson

          What a moron. Even when someone is doing good, you’ll sling mud at him. Of course we know everyone except you in this world is pure evil. Do you want Google to put up a fight in the name of saving a unicorn instead of Hotfile/MU? Go spread your BS somewhere else you wanker.

          Respect to Google for standing up for what’s right and sticking it the MAFIAA stooges.

        • Techanon

          The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
          Who cares if google does the right thing for the wrong reasons?

        • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

          I swear Rob there is no situation that you can’t find something to pull out and declare evil or wrong.

          At this point you need to come to terms with that old adage: The enemy of my enemy….

          Corporate entities are not benevolent. If they were, they would become quickly irrelevant and cease to exist.

          Google, quite frankly, despite your incessant demonizing is the ONLY farking hope we the people have of keeping the internet any kind of free. Deny that, and you are lying to yourself. No other entity has the power, the cash flow, or the interest Google does.

          Google doesn’t have to give a shit. At all. They have a control over the internet even the most well versed has a hard time wrapping their mind around. They make money, and they act in their own best interest. Welcome to reality.

          If Google gave a shit about cash and only cash, they wouldn’t bother fighting this shit. Google walks up to MPAA/RIAA and says lets make a deal, there will be a synchronized dropping of drawers and excited questioning of which lube Google has a preference for.

          So yeah Google is out to make bank. Shit loads of moolah. They are willing to poke their nose into your privacy to keep you dependent on them and stay top dog. They also have a history of giving a shit about open internet and have always tried to innovate and share that innovation.

          We aren’t entering Utopia anytime soon, so judging, wishing and hoping for pointless shit is just wasted energy.

          Google has picked up the sword and decided to fight, and thank effing God because NOBODY else has the money and power to counter the lying scum fucks that are Hollywood. I really don’t give a shit why at this point. Google needs us in a way the Industry doesn’t. Google has given in a way the industry never has.

          So uh FUCK YEAH YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY GOOGLE!!!!!!

        • Anonymous

          Sad but there’s truth there. Google’s “principles” took them to the big leagues. Then they found that being in the big leagues was like trench warfare in a civilian area.

          Google certainly want to avoid similar cases but I’d ask myself the question – do WE want google to suffer similar cases? or Cyberlockers, Social sites, or basically any site which contains user-generated content or even indexed links?

          I don’t think so.

          I’m not on a “mercy mission” to defend Hotfile or MU either. I’m still defending them simply because I don’t want an internet where free communication is stifled and abolished by unrealistic demands on pre-moderation.

        • quimbylipzor

          Your logic is flawed. Do the motives behind Google’s actions alter the correctness of their brief? Last time I checked Google is a business that probably has a lot of common interest with other internet businesses, so it makes sense for them to be interested in the outcome, including taking action to try to influence the outcome that better suits themselves. By your logic only a completely unaffiliated advocacy service should be able to provide a contradictory argument. There’s a latin term for that type of logic…looking it up (ironically on Google)…there it is: “Argumentum ad hominem – attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea rather than the idea itself”.

      • Anonymous

        Of course. Nobody is suggesting that Google have any concern other than self-interest. But the point is that Google’s self-interest is the same self-interest as thousands of other Internet-based businesses which contribute millions of dollars to the economy. The MPAA’s attempt to censor the net would, if successful, be a massive blow to the tech sector as a whole and entrench outdated and unprofitable business models which will continue to act as a financial dragnet. Anyone who cares about the freedom of businesses to be successful and develop new ways of making money can only oppose attempts to legislate innovation out of existence.

        • MAFIAANeeds2Go

          I’m in agreement with you MarkSG :).

        • Anonymous

          well said. shame governments cant see the harm being done to more important industries whilst propping up one that wants to be helped by everyone else but do nothing to help itself, at least from a customers point of view

        • Anonymous

          A +1 right there.

          The thing to remember about Google is that they are acting out of enlightened self-interest. Any layman student of economy will recognize those key words. At the end, “responsibility” in any free market must mean that vested interests recognize the long-term consequences of actions.

          Google is, as companies go, a very smart one in that regard. They know full well that the first sign of trust abuse means they lose their current near-monopoly. Once their brand is tarnished their selling ability becomes null and void.
          Similarly if the internet cannot legally hold user-generated content, although it does not mean that user-generated content won’t keep being the major part of the internet, it does mean that no legal company can exist handling such. Lunatic legislation such as SOPA would not have dented piracy one bit. But it would have put Google and Facebook straight out of business. Any business trying to market any idea on the internet would have been walking barefoot through a minefield.

          The various media industries? They are good at adapting which means they too realize the current paradigm cannot last. However, while it does they will keep raking in extreme profits and so they fight a desperate rearguard battle trying to hold out for just one more year.

          The copyright enforcement groups otoh – MPAA, RIAA, Ifpi? They know for a fact that should the copyright battles die out they are for all intents and purposes gone. Long term there is no light in the tunnel for them. And that is why they will go to any lengths to “prove” their purpose, both to their clients and to the public. The very survival of these companies in effect relies on the internet being broken to the point of unusability. And that is why the legislation lobbied for is, in practice, trying to accomplish this paradigm.

      • stopping by

        Indeed – but they may have much more to lose by stepping in.

        They are not exactly popular anywhere after orchestrating the anti-SOPA campaign, and this won’t improve their situation.

        • MadAsASnake

          You don’t get it. They have everything to loose if DMCA safe harbour is breached. Why would opposition to a vile law like SOPA make them unpopular? Google has as much right to state a position as MPAA and so on…

        • beer nutz

          Maybe you should get your facts straight before you post. Google was LATE to the anti-sopa campaign. Very far from “orchestrating”.

          http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120207/03304417679/people-realizing-that-it-wasnt-google-lobbying-that-stopped-pipasopa.shtml

        • Guest

          @beer nutz

          Don’t be surprised. The SOPA worshippers are convinced that all opposition to SOPA was Google-funded and enforced.

        • Anyone

          that’s the problem if all the “news” organizations are part of the MAFIAA there can be no neutral reporting about it.

        • Anonymous

          Yes it was Reddit that started off Blackout Day but in a short space of time about 6000 other domains joined in. It is a shame only the major domains were documented by the wider media.

          Google was one of the domains that joined in and certainly them and Wikipedia were the big two that managed to pull the reported 14 million to our anti-SOPA cause. Many others including myself did link to their protest information.

        • Anonymous

          You keep right on spouting what can only be interpreted as gibberish. Google didn’t start acting on SOPA until very late in that particular game.

          It wasn’t until the entire tech sector as a whole climbed on board that Google decided to get on that bus. You should face more facts which is that SOPA was a legislation under which the internet infrastructure as a whole could not exist. Which is in the end what every expert had to say about it.

          In real life SOPA could only be compared to a legislation against, say, narcotics, which would authorize and mandate an air strike using cluster bombs against the city block in which a drug dealer had been sighted. Or the discovery of some person tapping a power line meaning that the entire block he lives in had to be shut down.

          I’ll say this again as you don’t seem to get it – Any legislation which allows collateral damage as an unavoidable consequence is unacceptable.

          That the collateral damage in SOPAs case far outweighs the potential benefits just underscores that point. Your reasoning is every bit as absurd as that of “Anon” and “Jack Murdock”. To the point that I’m wondering where you’d draw the line.

        • Stellablu777

          even if you are just an exploited artist, it’s astonishing to what degree you seem to have just swalloed everything the MAFIAA propaganda says wholesale. Switch your brain on – anti-SOPA was’t orchestrated by Google, just as the anti-ACTA movement, the mass protests and the millions of signatures on petitions against SOPA, PIPA and ACTA aren’t orchestrated by google. Look beyond your own little courtyard – that’s what the internet is there for!

        • Anonymous

          WHAT? Google is more popular, not less, after bringing SOPA to the public’s attention. derp.

      • Jonathan

        There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Google being interested in its own well being. That’s the best kind of skin to have in the game, and it’s good to have a situation where Google’s interest is at stake: they’ll play for keeps that much more viciously. Exactly the scenario you want. You want them fighting tooth and nail like it’s their own ass on the line, for it is.

        • FBI RATS

          “There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Google being interested in its own well being. That’s the best kind of skin to have in the game” You said it perfectly. I think some of us are dissapointed though because the “game” is rigged and not at all fair for the majority. ie why doesn’t the court hear our opinions (the world). instead it hears the copyright owners and google. this courtcase affects us all, even the judge.

          Its not google thats the problem. Google wants to keep operating and they want to keep making money. why not? they’ve played the game fair and invested alot of time and money into their business.

          The problem is Qoute “Nobody knows what the fucking law is, we wont know untill the courts decide it. this is a horrible scenario for anyone who operates a website. torrent owners, google, utube. We need total reform in the courts, lawmaking and the way are countrys are run. we won’t get that

          Google is a business so it cannot be “evil” or “selfish”
          One guy got very angry when it was called evil
          But you might even so call it evil if you wanted to easily and quickly type your opinion about the company.

          Fuck Google but mainly fuck all you guys for some reason

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        Google has a vested interest.
        Sometimes … GREED IS GOOD!

      • Not-a-GOOG-fan-boy

        And that makes them what?? Hate to break it to you man but, Google’s action is for the benefit of us all.. Just in case it is not plain to you. You and the other idiots here are calling Google evil? Being competitive nowadays is evil? So fucking what if they want to move to every industry that they want. They are a business! Their drive is to make money asswipes! of course they are going to move into industries they think will be most profitable for them! That does not make them evil!! I really dont get this… How can a company that developed an awesome business model that does not require it’s subscribers/audience to pay for it’s services, and still find a way to make tons of money out of it and in the process made so much innovation that helped the tech industry, can be called EVIL! If Google is evil, then what the HELL you can APPLE?

        • FBI RATS

          Hate to break it to you man but, Google’s action is for the benefit of us all.

          WE KNOW MORON, we are not stupid. who would have thought google could be greedy and self invested and at the same time help us all out. They want the digital market for themselves just like the ri-mpaa and apple. thats business. thats what businesses do. cant you see why someone would call them evil. You saw what google they did to ISO Hunt when they were/are sued. right?

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          Money asswipes…no, I really don’t see a market for those.

        • JK Henson

          Its okay if I make money but if you make money, you are evil.

      • FBI RATS

        Exactly! Don’t get it twisted, Google only cares about their own self interests. They sold out iso hunt, they allow censorship on youtube. F**k Google

        • JK Henson

          Why should they care about you? Please give me one good reason why they should fight for you. Have you invested anything in Google that they are obliged to look after your interests? Did Google declare that they are a Human Rights Organization that will fight for your rights?

          Last time I checked its not evil to do business and make money. If they have their own interest in mind for moving the court, that’s fair enough, why would that make them evil? As long as they are putting up a stand against the MAFIAA, who the hell cares why Google is doing it?

          You wankers need to get a life.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, thats true, and in fact no corporation does something without something being at stake. But I can’t help but love a good corporate bitch fight! :P

      • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

        No shit Sherlock.

        What’s YOUR motivation? Your interested out of concern for Kim Dotdouchbag’s empire? No. You have shit to lose. If you didn’t you wouldn’t give a shit.

        The difference is Google matters, you (and I and everybody else who makes less than a few million a year) don’t matter. Nobody gives a shit about you. If you and I fight together, nobody gives a shit about us. We enlist TF staff and everybody else and every user of the TPB and all of Sweden and Russia…then we will have a HUGE group of folks nobody gives a fuck about.

        Money talks, bullshit walks… Guess which category you and I fall in?

        Google? No matter how verbose those bastards get the world stands enthralled.

      • WaitWhat

        The enemy of my enemy is my friend

        Ever heard that?

      • Gae

        I have to add that whilst Google are only joining in for their own benefit, I still think they are doing so for the right reasons. What they lose we would lose also.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bennyturok Benjamin Turok Catarrivas

      First they came for the Streaming Sites but I was not a Streaming Site so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Torrent Sites and the File Hosting Websites but I was not one of them, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Social Websites but I was not Social Website so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, The Search Engine, there was no one left to speak out for me.

      And so Google decided to try and help out before it got out of hand… CONGRATZ GOOGLE! You are not as dumb as we all thought you were becoming.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

      One thing that shows how little understanding old media has of the internet is if you read any of Rupert Murdoch’s rants about google.

      Murdoch has the old fashioned notion of (even a free) news site being a destination in its own right wjere people visit the site to see what they are covering.

      He ibjected to search engines like Google listing individual stories along with the first couple of lines as he perceived it as robbing the site of traffic with readers dipping in and out to read individual items which in part is why he put up a pay wall.

      To think there was someone who effectively wanted google to delist his sites other than the front page rather than accepting that with the shear volume of info out there, its how people read online and should be greatful for the traffic. Paywalls now on both his UK and New York broadsheets and no one reads them.

      • MadAsASnake

        I think Mudocks rant declaring people that approached their elected representatives because they were opposed to a law as terrorists is a more telling veiw of the Murdock state of mind.

    • Anonymous

      The big G is gonna take out its big GUN! :P

    • Nme’s Nme

      Foolish. If it suited Google to do the opposite, they would. It has nothing to do with being good, and everything to do with business.

      • Sheesh

        Like you would kill yourself to save humanity…pfft.

    • Affaop

      even google is at risk

    • Anonymous

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  • TrustAvidity

    Bing will stay my homepage but props to Google!

    • Anonymous

      Eww..

    • Gae

      Bing? Why use Bing?

      • Tsunku

        he prefers to have ms direct his thoughts and ideas via bing. and ppl for god’s sake, it is LOSE not LOOSE, loose is the opposite of tight!

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          Looser.

        • Myflytrap

          Don’t LOOSE it, man!

        • Tsucku

          loose lose i could care less irregardless idiot

    • http://travismccrea.com Travis McCrea

      Seriously I am always baffled why people say “Fuck Google” then go on to switch to a Microsoft product. Seriously: Microsoft. The tech giant whose motto is practically “be as evil as allowable by law, and then a little more”.

      I am not saying Google is perfect… but a lot of the reasons people get upset with Google is because Google is very open about their practices. When they do something wrong they admit it. When they take down content or comply with a police investigation they make it public. So yeah it looks like they are doing all this bad stuff, when in reality… Microsoft (et others) are being even more abusive but they don’t tell people so everyone /feels/ more safe.

      • stopping by

        Nah, Microsoft changed their evil ways quite a few years ago. :) That’s why they survived.

        Until today, I was sure Google would do the same.

        Then this happens…

        • Anonymous

          Ah, but to you “evil” means “Not screwing everyone over despite the fact that I think they ought to”.

          That isn’t exactly the dictionary definition of “evil”. Be advised.

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        Microsoft: Because fuck Antitrust.

      • Jon7272

        yes i use pirated microsoft lol they dont get a cent hehehe

      • Anonymous

        I second that. “You know, I really hate my banker, I think I’ll take my slapdowns from Don Corleone instead”.

        You should always mistrust the interest which has great power over you. Always keep them to account. That holds as true for Google as it does for Microsoft, Apple, or your own damn government.

        Could Google become the next microsoft? Yes, without a doubt. As soon as their senior management barrel gets exchanged for one which contains bad apples the entire batch will rot.

        But we aren’t there yet. We might be in the future at which point in time it will be decidedly important that the people who laud Google today will be tomorrow’s critics. And the same holds true for political parties.

        Humans are just too lazy. There are too damn many who will plant their teepee on the turf of a given political party or company and then keep right on supporting said interest far beyond reasonable limits. At the end of that you get entire generations of sheeple blindly going to the polls and tossing their ballot for the same party their father and grandfather voted for. You get raging Apple-fanatics/Googlelovers/Microsoft-adherents.

        You get, in short, organized religion. You go through the motions with blind obedience even though you couldn’t from any reasonable perspective defend the actions of either you or that of your chosen organization anymore.

        If there’s anything humanity desperately needs it would be the chutzpah to be able to state with confidence – “I was right in supporting these guys then. Not Anymore”.

        • Stellablu777

          Fully agree. And because corporations can abuse power and have abused power in the past, because governments abuse power and have done so in the past, it is of vital importance to resist the establishment of a system of control over the internet – also because that control is much more thorough than anything ever possible in real life, becasue the traces of information we leave on the internet are preserved and available for abuse in a way that our actions in real life are not…

      • Anderson

        Neither Microsoft nor Google is evil. They are only doing business and are in it to make money. Problem? If they are evil, then so is everyone else because at the end of the day we all care about our own self interests first and then others. You certainly wouldn’t live in the streets so that a homeless person could have a good life.

    • Anonymous

      Using Bing instead of Google. Really? Apparently people have forgotten how dumb Microsoft can be. Remember when Google found them to be copying their results? Or to put it in context of the MPAA, “they deliberately stole creative works belonging to another and profited off it”

      • Tsunku

        well that is microsoft for you, if they can’t buy it, they will steal it and claim it to be innovation.

        • Anyone

          sounds like Apple
          except that they will sue the one they stole it from for patent infringement

    • Anon

      duckduckgo.com

      • Guest

        startpage.com

        • Anonymous

          Startpage FTW

    • Vinogradov

      wtf is wrong with you… lolololol

    • Andy P

      Bing sucks. Search for anything on Bing and then when you’re ready to find what you’re looking for use Google…. Google just works… Bing.. ‘eh.. not so much. BTW, Karen L Stetson can suck my dick. Twat.

    • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

      Bing?

      What the fuck is it 2009 and nobody told me? Shit, does this mean Microsoft maps is cool again?

      Decision engine…lol. Decide to go back to google engine. Ba dum tish

      Of course I still use an aol email so yeah I’m as awesome as 1995 bitches.

      • Anonymous

        “Shit, does this mean Microsoft maps is cool again?”

        My reaction exactly. Bing?

        LolWTF?

  • Anyone

    I for one welcome our new Google overlords

    • MAFFIAGoingDown

      Google isn’t being evil nor was Wikipedia when they did the blackout thing against internet censorship this will be good for everyone it’s a win for all well except the MAFFIA that wants to ruin the internet for self gains.

      • Anyone

        I did not try to imply that Google was evil.
        they have a huge potential of being really evil, but so far they have mostly stayed on the good side.

        but Apple turned from a loveable hippy company into their own 1984 commercial, so anything is possible in the future.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          Love that comparison. But who does the bitch with the hammer represent, if that’s Apple on the screen? Maybe the newer version would have a penguin throwing the hammer.

    • Anonymous

      At least Google provides a nice map so you can find your way back to your slave quarters formally known as your home address.

  • stopping by

    Supporters of the commercial Piracy Industry often argue that it’s hard to tell the difference between TPB and Google.

    And they’re right.

    So could the authorities — hey guys, we know you’re reading this :) — please take Google off the grid asap and keep them off until they go legit?

    Thanks.

    • Anyone

      don’t forget to seize all assets of Larry, Sergei and Eric and to arrest them with a full SWAT team

      • stopping by

        Think that couldn’t happen?

        • Anyone

          if you asked me a few months ago I would have said no.
          but appearantly if you bribe the right people in Washington you get your own private army to arrest anyone you don’t like, and if they have broken no laws they will just invent some charges.

        • stopping by

          Anyone,
          Some might argue that breaking laws has become a crucial part of Google’s current business model.

          Yes, big corporations spend a good deal of time suing each other. But Google *live* in court these days. Piracy, privacy, Android, pharmacies…

          And big corporations don’t live forever.

        • Anyone

          Google is a big target, so of course it will be dragged into court more often.

          but at least with Android and “piracy” it is not their fault that they are in court, it’s just other people wanting a piece of their success, be it Apple or the MAFIAA.
          for example with YouTube Google goes far beyond what the DMCA requires, and the MAFIAA still bitches and whines.

          I grant you privacy, Google is not always as transparent as they could be, but still mostly better than other companies. (just look at Apple tracking your every move and uploading it unencrypted, for example)

          no idea what you mean with pharmacies, that has gone unnoticed by me.

        • Guest

          >And big corporations don’t live forever.

          You’d be surprised. The music industry has been killed by “piracy” several times over and it still refuses to die.

    • You Shall Not Pass

      You should permanently banned from this site you troll this is not the first time you being spotted shitting here.

      • stopping by

        So, people are trolls when you don’t agree with them?

        Seriously? :)

        • You Shall Not Pass

          Well how much did they pay you? If you know what I mean. No seriously!

        • Anyone

          stopping by is at least sometimes persuaded by arguments.

          so either he is not a paid troll or just an underpaid troll ;)

        • MadAsASnake

          No, but you are.

        • stopping by

          You Shall Not Pass,
          Not enough. :)

          Aw man, like anybody wants to pay an artist for posting crap here of all places… :-|

        • Anonymous

          No, people are generally speaking categorized as trolls (and rightly so) when what they say can not in practice be agreed with by any measure of common sense, ordinary jurisprudence, or the UN statutes of human rights.

          It’s either calling them a troll or assume a third reich camp guard mentality on behalf of the commentator.

          I could go as far as assume rampaging ignorance on your part but that assumption must by now be considered disproven. Many of your posts call for a paradigm in which the right of free speech will in effect be unavoidably abolished and burden of proof reversed as far as the internet is concerned.

          So which are you? Someone set out to prove pro-copyright fanatics are repugnant morons by trolling or someone whose inability to analyze consequences is below that of the average kindergarten attendee?

      • Chuck

        Gee.. let me guess? He should be banned (censored) without due process… Hypocrite much?

      • FBI RATS

        He/she isnt a troll, you just didn’t understand the point they made

        • MadAsASnake

          Stopping by is something of a broken record. Doesn’t appear to give a damn about the law, due process or the collateral damage MAFIAA leave in their wake.

        • Stellablu777

          he seems to have a lot of free time for posting comments – and his points are never arguments, just conflating tidbits of information. Basically, broken record sums it up – and not willing to engage in arguments even if directly challenged. Sounds like a troll to me.

    • DutchGuest

      Obvious troll is still obvious.

    • Anonymous

      Absolutely. Because, as is patently obvious, any system which allows people to find things will enable them to find the wrong things. Google, Bing, Yahoo etc should all be shut own straight away and replaced by a directory of websites where only links approved by the MPAA and RIAA can be posted.

      (Warning: the above may contain traces of irony)

      • stopping by

        Oh please – the engines are already censoring huge amounts of illegal data every second.

        Now they just need to stop indexing stolen music, music and software along with child porn, hit men, silk road and plutonium.

        Otherwise they’ll end up like MegaUpload.

        • Anonymous

          Oh yes, and while we’re at it, don’t forget to treat everything we don’t want as if it were the same. Friends sharing music they like with friends are just as dangerous as terrorists plotting to blow up airliners and rapists abusing children.

        • Anonymous

          Hmm. The “Anon” commentary once again. Comparing information enabling person A to copy a file from person B with information exhange between people bent on raping children.

          I’m curious, Stopping By – do you also advocate mandatory search-and-seizure and paramilitary intervention where Jaywalkers are concerned? Do you think the national guard should have apache strikes against speeding vehicles on the freeway? And if not, why?

          Given that this is exactly what you suggest whenever the internet is concerned.

    • Mwhahaha

      Nah, let’s just alter copyright laws to favour the many and not the rich few.

      • stopping by

        Why not do both?

        The copyright laws certainly need to be modified.

        Just remember that you’re not favouring the many by favouring Google…

        • Guest

          Modified with what, SOPA?

          Aren’t you supposed to be just “stopping by”?

        • MadAsASnake

          Agree. They are way too much of a power grab. They need limiting a great deal.

    • Stellablu777

      @ stopping by. sad thing you’re not even being ironic. not sure if you are a paid troll or just feel personally vexed by piracy, but i quite like the fact that in your comments on this page you are revealing to everyone just how absurd your position is. Clearly, we have long been at a point at which stopping piracy actually means shutting down the internet, manipulate search results, censor sites etc – with all the consequences that have been discussed. Case open and closed. You seem to quite like that idea – quite a lot of other people, for very good reasons, think it would be very very dangerous. I suggest you start by reading ‘the filter bubble’ and other books on net freedom – only i suspect you won’t since you seem to be blind to the bigger picture.

    • Fredrika

      > “Supporters of the commercial Piracy Industry often argue that it’s hard to tell the difference between TPB and Google.”

      Neither Google, Pirate Bay, Hotfile or Megaupload constitutes any kind of commercial piracy industry, they are on the contrary all fully legal sites, so why do you bring this irrelevant claim up, other then to perform yet another logical fallacy, as in guilt by association? And you ask why you by definition is considered a troll? You do nothing but trolling.

    • Anonymous

      And now I just hope to God you’re trolling. Because what you in essence said is that any indexing service on the internet is dead.

  • h33t

    it is about time Google advanced from not being evil to actively fighting evil

    Google stop looking at the future and look at the now please

  • Rathland

    “This is an interesting observation that does indeed make sense. While Google doesn’t mention it, removing the actual files would indeed be overbroad and wrong. For example, if an artist stores his files on Hotfile but wants to take unauthorized copies offline, he or she would not want Hotfile to delete the original as well. The same is true for YouTube videos and a variety of other content.”

    Piece of crap pro-piracy propaganda. MPAA was very specific that they do not want ANY of their files to be stored at Hotfile servers. That argument would have been valid only if Hotfile in response to DMCA complaint sent a list of links back that point to the same copyrighted file and asked a copyright holder what to do with them – delete, replace with promo, monetize etc. Which of course Hotfile never did because they knew MPAA will tell them to just delete all other links too.

    And btw that is exactly what Youtube does through their DFP program – they list ALL matches and ask a copyright holder what to do with each and every of them, which is foundamentally different from Hotfile actions.

    • Hasaan

      ^Troll paid by mafiaa

    • Fuck RIAA

      MAFIAA fag.

      • Mwhahaha

        Fantastic counter argument there Mr….

        I have to say that Rathland does make a valid point in terms of the multiple versions/links to the same file. Yet at most, it’s a case of these sites being slightly pedantic and unwilling to be obliging, which at this point in time I think most media conglomerates have earned for themselves after many many years of over charging and underpaying their customers and employees respectively, being overly obsessive about their rights and generally alienating the very people who they should be catering to.

        Hollywood et al have a track history of being bloody awkward and pedantic when it serves their own purposes, they rarely do a single thing that isn’t motivated purely by money or status. Suddenly now they need a little good will from the world, and hey, you know what Rathland, it isn’t there.

        • Anyone

          good will?
          after how they behaved?

          of course there is no good will left after their behaviour over the last decade.

        • Tsunku

          mpaa’s biggest reason for shutting down cyberlockers, they dare to allow indie filmmakers use their service and that must not be allowed. mpaa works hard to deny indie filmmakers at every turn, if they find out about a distribution deal an indie has made they will work very hard to make it go away. all because the indie has the audacity to make films without paying mpaa membership. no other businesses are allowed to operate this way, if they try to, they find themselves in court being sued for trying to be a monopoly. odd how the usa has heavy laws against monopolies yet for some reason none of those apply to mpaa/riaa at all. we also have laws against extortion yet those too do not apply against those two. it’s high time that both organizations were investigated and possibly broken up.

    • Anyone

      what about my personal backup that I uploaded to hotfile? I’m allowed to do that under fair use, so why should hotfile delete it?

      and youtube goes way beyond what the DMCA requires, and is a lesser service because of it.
      try using youtube with a german proxy to see how bad it can be.

    • $2 Troll

      What a loser. Go on and troll harder next time

    • Pianogamer

      Too bad that is not MPAA’s right. Personal backups of their files are legal in many countries. To remove all content could violate other people’s right. Believe it or not, but copyright is a special monopoly granted, and it doesn’t apply under every circumstance. MPAA could point out that most links to infringing material is being distributed and thus illegal – and that is how the DMCA works, and it’s their job do it. Now whether their lobbying and misinformation to the courts could end up further altering law is what remains to be seen.

    • JakeDaynesPPCA

      You realise you’re on a site called TorrentFreak right?

      Also, Piracy doesn’t hurt artists, and P2P filesharing can be used to promote artists and the expansion of culture.

      Now I’m going to stop feeding you.

      • Tsunku

        many indie producers use p2p as a distribution method so they can get heard at all, which is exactly what riaa/mpaa desire to stop. they do not want you even known unless it is thru membership with them.

    • got teeth?

      “MPAA was very specific that they do not want ANY of their files to be stored at Hotfile servers”

      they dont own the files lol, the uploader does.

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      As a Canadian, I am entitled to an archival copy of media. If I choose to back it up in the cloud whilst I reformat my hard drive (or for any other reason, it’s my prerogative) then I also have that entitlement. There’s your legal copy. I didn’t lease that DVD, I bought it…and all the subsidiary rights involved therewith. That’s the problem with EULAs and IP, corporations are under the belief that they can sell you property and then tell you what to do with it. Got news for you guys, if I pay for your goods, I have a right to do whatever I want with it. Thusly therefore and ergo filesharing. QED.

    • Anonymous

      …and after verification Google finds that 37% of the allegations are false. Meaning roughly two takedowns out of 5 is in fact due to an MPAA corporation abusing some other copyright holder. You left that part out.

      Where Megaupload or indeed any cyberlocker is concerned, the same holds true. The plaintiffs who send the takedowns have been notoriously unwilling to prove any of their claims.

      In other words the MPAA has been acting like a bully who walks by a house, sees a parked bike and walks off with it since it bears a passing resemblance to his own.

  • Anonymous

    i doubt if Google will care too much if the MPAA etc are happy or not. what should come out of this is to show that it’s up to the company or industry that thinks it’s ‘product’ is being infringed in some way and do what it should do to positively identify it and have the infringement stopped. if it costs money to do this, the cost should be down to the company that wants the infringement stopped, not any other company. after all, if i want to stop burglars entering my house, i have to take the reasonable steps of shutting and locking doors and windows. if i dont and my house gets burgled, it’s my fault, no one else’s.

    • Mwhahaha

      Tell that to the UK ISPs. How much will it cost them to attempt to protect an outdated industry’s prehistoric rights?

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      I feel like the whole point is like teaching a lesson to a toddler here. You can’t tell them not to touch a hot stove, they have to learn it on their own.

      You can’t say to the MPAA that they can’t fight progress, you have to make them file a complaint for each and every infringement. When they say it’s your job, you have to say “no, you need to”, then when they say “well it’s impossible to catch each and every infringement!” you can help them come to the conclusion….

      YOU CAN’T FIGHT PROGRESS! ADAPT OR DIE, MOTHERFUCKERS!

      This is exactly how I help my kids learn their lessons. Same vernacular too. I’m father of the year.

  • Cyke1

    Google sees this case as an attack on DMCA safe harbor section and could used in future cases against other sites that are doing what DMCA says they have to do and nothing more.

  • Anonymous

    Well as I said last time it was a HUGE MISTAKE for the MPAA to charge HotFile with the same claims that the DoJ did against MegaUpload. Now they risk having these charges dismissed in Court which further undermines the MegaUpload case when now those same charges can no longer be brought against Mega.

    So due to this MU linkage the MPAA foolishly just turned this common court wrestle into a critical case that undermines the DoJ/FBI’s power to conduct such raids against DMCA safe-harbour companies.

    It is good to see Google’s involvement when they have certainly lived up to their CEO’s goal of fighting censorship. They know that censorship is a slippery slope that erodes our rights and starts to risk many Internet companies.

    I am also very happy to see DMCA safe-harbour fighting back and I love that section where it says a site cannot be forced to fit a filter or to lose their safe-harbour status if they don’t comply. True it is the Copyright Cartels own job to police their own creation but these days they want everyone else to do it for them.

    Well MPAA you are totally fucking this case up. If you want to do your pet theory cases then the HotFile example is the way to go. It has always been a major mistake to charge Mega with those same pet theories that this Judge will now trash.

    • Mwhahaha

      It was odd how they didn’t run one case thru to see what precedent it set before starting on a second. That’ll teach them.

      • Anonymous

        Yes that has been a long point of mine.

        The DoJ’s whole case rests on proving that MegaUpload broke DMCA law when if the Judge/Jury in their case find that Mega runs a lawful operation then all those conspiracy, racketeering and money laundering claims will quickly collapse.

        Well I would say the DoJ just got a serious interest in this HotFile case as well but it is not their place to interfere in a civil case. Should HotFile win this case then maybe the DoJ should take good reconsideration of the Mega case along with some personal resignations.

        We of course have to see what way this Mega case goes but the DoJ’s position is being eroded as each week passes. You do have to wonder if they have made a big mistake here.

        • FBI RATS

          Im confused is the money laundering claim simply megaupload receiving payments from premium users? dressed up into money laundering of stolen goods (copyrighted files) or somthing ???

        • Anonymous

          Their money laundering claim is divided up into two parts.

          First the Department of Justice Punishment claim that Mega through paying their cloud storage server costs they were laundering money. Most website owners smirk at this one and wonder how the DoJ could be so stupid.

          Second is that Mega through paying their Rewards Programme were also laundering money. This scheme was to reward users for uploads that prove popular including musicians distributing their own music.

          Should Mega be found to be a DMCA safe-harbour compliant company then that would mean their income is lawful. These charges would then quickly fail because they would have no need to launder lawful money.

        • MadAsASnake

          @Violated
          Were DOJ suggesting that Mega shouldn’t pay their server costs?
          For the second, wouldn’t DOJ have to show intent? The rewards scheme was marketed to Indies, I beleive…

        • Stellablu777

          @ FBI RATS – exactly. there is no independent claim of money laundering, no payments into dodgy accounts of business associates or ‘tainted gifts’. Just payments for server costs, and the rewards programme – all dressed up in teh indictment as money laundering, cause, you know – they are the biggest organized crime ring since al capone, so everything they do must be criminal!

    • MadAsASnake

      Yup – looks like the Mega thing went to their head – power is a dangerous drug. If Hofile summary is dismissed as it should me, then what is Mega guitly of conspiring to other than lawful activities? Laundering legal money is a senseless charge. The e-mails alone shouldn’t be a big deal given the questionable way they were gathered. Warner or Sony would be unlikely to fare any better under such circumstances.

  • AnonPSS

    Thanks again Google for standing up for an open and free internet.

  • You Shall Not Pass

    Google always is our best pirat…oppss…friends :)

    “The MPAA has argued that Hotfile has no right to exist because it’s used predominantly for copyright-infringing purposes. ”

    MPAA just like a cry baby . They are suppose to be the one that has no right to exist. I guess ripping off artist and customer is not enough…ehhh??

    • stopping by

      MPAA is a cry baby – but Google is not?

      And exactly how is Google not ripping off artists? 5 minutes after you’ve released a single, they tell your neighbor where to steal it without consequences.

      Compare that to MPAA who actually pay artists…

      • Anyone

        I know where I can steal a single, it’s in those big stores that sell plastic discs, I don’t need Google for that.

        Google will tell you where to download the single, which is quite different, since it is copied, and not stolen.
        then if you like the single Google will also tell you where to buy it, or where to buy other swag from the artist.

        meanwhile the MAFIAA is paying their artist $1 for a $20 CD, if even that.

        • stopping by

          :) You forgot the keywords ‘without consequences’.

          And the difference between RIAA and Google is that the artist can *choose* not to be screwed by RIAA…

          Again, an artist gets 70% when he sells his stuff from iTunes through Tunecore.

          And to repeat: A musician doesn’t give a shit whether a shoplifter steals a physical or a digital version of her album. Musicians don’t produce and sell plastic discs and boxes, they produce and sell content…

          And they’re not exactly the only ones.

          Huge and growing parts of the global economy are based on Intellectual Property – like it or not…

        • Anyone

          Google will happily point you to itunes or tunecore or amazon if you search for a place to buy songs

          it is not Google’s fault that piracy sites are more popular than official channels, and they should not be punished for the preferences of their users.

          at least you agree that musicians make literally nothing off of CDs with their music on it, yay for common ground.

          the “IP industry” is much much smaller than the tech-industry that the MAFIAA wants to dismantle, since the MAFIAA wants a fight to the death it should be clear which one has to die.

          but you seem to forget a fundamental economic law: if something is available in unlimited quantity its price by definition is 0
          now of course people will still buy stuff even if it was available for free, for example there are lots of people buying bottled water, even if the one coming out of their pipes is perfectly fine (yes, i know, that water is also not free, but it is dirt cheap ;)
          and so it is and will be for music or culture in general: copies of it will be available for free everywhere, but it will still get bought, since people want to support their favourite artists.

          welcome to the future

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Hell, you don’t even have to do that. A lot of people I know are now ‘banding together’ to buy ONE copy of a CD for 10+ people and then each is ripping it in loss-less format.

        • FBI RATS

          “Google will tell you where to download the single.. which is quite different,since it is copied, and not stolen.”
          YOU DONT GET IT DO YOU
          The technical details don’t matter. If your going to argue don’t rip apart the definitions of words. steal, copy, whatever. You didn’t go into a store but you got what was on the disc. stop hiding behind bs.
          Torrent sites should remain up but not under that argument.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          @FBI RATS

          No, you don’t get it. It isn’t a matter of semantics, it’s the core of what all of this comes down to. there’s no loss, nobody is hurt as a result, it’s not immoral.

        • Anonymous

          @stopping by

          …Huge and growing parts of the global economy are based on Intellectual Property – like it or not…”

          Then huge and growing parts of the economy are set to vanish into thin air. Even Jeffersson knew Intellectual Property was an impossibility in practice.

          For a more modern thinker you should read Friedman’s caveats. Most of “Intellectual Property” is not in effect property. It’s a monopolization attempt and a severe restriction on civil rights and property rights in general.

          The only valid points in IP is Trademark and Paternity Rights. The rest is a theorethical invention dreamt up to replace communism as the worst idea of the millenium.

          Honestly, when you hear the likes of Mick jagger, David Bowie, Trent Reznor, along with their illuminated predecessors describe how comfortable they are with people sharing copies of their music I can only assume that any artist who can’t make it is simply a talentless hack without the ability to gain a faithful audience. In which case I say “Good Riddance”.

          Being an “artist” without the ability to gather fans is like being any other professional unwilling to move to where the jobs are or unwilling to work in the one sector offering jobs in that field.

          In which case I have to inform you MacDonald’s and Wal-Mart are still hiring burger-flippers and Greeters.

      • FBI RATS

        Bruv you smashed it again.
        “5 minutes after you’ve released a single, they tell your neighbor where to steal it without consequences.”
        And they think your a troll.. haha, moron/s You from the Uk?

        • fffff

          implying they don’t appear days before the actual release

        • Techanon

          @ffff: that’s not Google’s problem nor responsibility. It just means the publishers have leakers mixed within their ranks.

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        I’m pretty sure there’s a lot of people involved in the movie industry who would disagree with you there. “Hollywood Accounting” is a real thing (well, “real” anyway)

      • MadAsASnake

        MPAA pays artists? Little annd rarely.

      • Fredrika

        > “And exactly how is Google not ripping off artists?”

        You seem seriously confused. Since Google has no obligations to artists, it’s by definition impossible for Google to rip them off.

        > “5 minutes after you’ve released a single, they tell your neighbor where to steal it without consequences.”

        Another lie from you. They, as in the phone book directory, tell you where you it’s sold, so you can visit there. And if it’s legally indexed on a filesharing site, such as the fully legal site Pirate Bay, for people who have legal right to distribute the latest song five minutes after it’s released, they obviously index that in their search engine.

        There’s nothing strange or wrong with that, on the contrary, it’s completely normal.

        > “Compare that to MPAA who actually pay artists…”

        Which they don’t.

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  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/7ZOOMI6GFLHHCMOVMIAHY65TGY TerryD

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    • LiteracyReferee

      Random words jumbled together. Put the meth pipe down and walk away. Whats your point?

      • Guest

        There is no point. I just flagged it as SPAM.

  • Mwhahaha

    Well I’ve been waiting for this to be honest, with every instance of sites being taken down due to what their users do, and even with what they link to, then google have surely been getting antsy. Remove linking and copyrighted things from their search results and suddenly they don’t have a business any more. That’s even before you remember youtube’s huge party of illegally uploaded fun.

    I do wish they’d also send their lawyers to help out the British lad who’s about to be extradited to the USA at this point. As he himself said, he did nothing more than what google themselves do.

    I think the emails in the MU case make their’s a slightly different case, but hopefully hotfile and many others will benefit from some much needed support from a big player.

    Without safe harbour surely the 2.0 version of the internet (or whatever it was briefly termed as) dies on its ass. Whilst I loathe FB and twitter bugs me beyond belief (so you ate a sandwich, why does the world need to know?), I would hate to see them die due to a loss of online liberty which atm DMCA protects.

    So how evil are google today?

    • Anyone

      don’t read too much into the emails, youtube had almost the exact same emails brought up in their case and they still won.

      of course it is not the smartest thing to be so open about those kind of things, but they never thought those emails would see the light of day ;)

      • stopping by

        Whether YouTube wins or loses the appeal remains to be seen…

        • Anyone

          that’s grasping for straws.
          they won the case, fair and square, I doubt it will get overturned.

        • stopping by

          Anyone,
          Still, it remains to be seen. Many expected them to get off the hook in the illegal ads case last year as well, but they had to pay $500m in the end.

          If they lose this one, they can double that.

          Then we have the illegal book scannings, and Apple, and…

    • stopping by

      The tube is completely legal today.

      Illegal material is removed on request – OR monetized. Which was a huge and impressive step forward.

      Now they need their search engine to go the same way. Otherwise, they’ll go the way of the dodo.

      • Anyone

        if the MAFIAA wants to have the top result of a search they can pay for it.
        otherwise whatever is popular should be first, and that might be “illegal” links

        that Google is even willing to delist perfectly legal sites goes too far in my mind, but nothing is ever enough for the MAFIAA

        • stopping by

          People insisting on top results can go molest themselves for all I care.

          But Google are running low on goodwill these days and they need to start playing by the rules.

          And rule number one is: Treat all illegal links alike – child-porn, piracy, plutonium.

          If they fail to do that, they’ll fail in general.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          Frankly I think even going as far as paying for top results is going too far…I know there’s a need to make a profit, but google is an aggregator. they’re a search engine. They should be showing all results, in order based upon the popularity of the link, or the best match.

          To your point, @stopping by, no. They shouldn’t censor anything. Google having a link to child porn does not imply the agreement with said link. they’re just showing what’s there. Don’t censor anything, that’s not your job. It’s the job of law enforcement to go after those who are breaking the law, if necessary…but linking is not a crime (which is why the pirate bay shouldn’t be held responsible for anything either)

        • Anyone

          piracy-links, childporn-links or plutonium-links are not illegal and should in my opinion not be censored.
          now, the sites and the admins behind actual illegal sites (hint: not piracy-sites ;)) should be prosecuted to the full extend of the law of wherever they reside, but that is not Google’s job.

          improve your offer and you can easily compete with piracy if your product is any good, there are a few companies that have proven again and again that people are willing to pay if you offer a good service
          treat your customers with respect and not as criminals and they will treat you with respect as well.

        • stopping by

          Gene Poole,
          Censuring child porn and other stuff that’s illegal by international law is indeed Google’s job.

          Fortunately, almost everybody in the world can agree on that.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          @stopping by

          I respectfully disagree, for two reasons: one, censorship is a slippery slope. Everyone starts with child porn, but once you start it never seems to end. Don’t confuse this with an affinity for kids being molested, that’s not the case, which brings me to my second point.
          It’s been successfully argued by many (including victims of molestation and childhood solicitation that censorship of child porn hides the problem so that it’s never dealt with (as it never is) by just sweeping it under the rug and pretending it doesn’t exist instead of horrifying the masses and dragging the purveyors kicking and screaming into the light of their shame to deal with this issue.

        • Anyone

          it should not be, the internet should not be censored, for any reason, be it criminal, commercial or political

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          There is no ‘problem’ with child porn nor with adults having sex with children.

          The problem is with the whiny little babies who cannot fathom that if they didn’t want to have sex with X person, even if it was their parent, all they had to do was threaten to go to another authority figure and report that person.

          I’m getting sick and goddamned tired of pedosexuality being made out to be some ‘scourge on society’. No, that is the idiots who cannot seem to fathom that SINCE WE ARE BORN WITH FULLY FUNCTIONAL GENITALIA, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING SEX FROM BIRTH OR SOON AFTERWARDS!

          Argument finished forever there, nature has made it very clear by not keeping us without genitalia until the age of 18.

        • Anonymous

          And rule number one is: Treat all illegal links alike – child-porn, piracy, plutonium.

          Child porn has been rejected by the vast majority of society which is why there are very clear laws against it.

          Piracy is a civil matter and therefore does not rank in the same category as other crimes. Also you do not own the links, the hash keys, the torrent data or even the index announcement sites. So the only piracy here is done between private user’s IP addresses.

          Plutonium is of course material that can be used in bombs and so needs to be strictly regulated. It is not a very radioactive element so there are far better sources for your common terrorist. Its best use is in power generation through very slow radioactive decay.

          Anyway we can clearly see which one is the odd one out here. Thanks for playing.

        • MadAsASnake

          @stopping by
          The correct way to handle kiddie pr0n links is to leave them up, locate the offender and throw him jail. This takes the site down and protects kids. This is a law enforcement issue, and most orgs will naturally co-operate fully.
          Similar situation applies to the supply of Plutonium. Neither Child-pr0n nor Plutonium should be freely available in our society.
          Now if you think that music and movies should be banned from society and their creators locked up then I could understand your point.

        • Anonymous

          @stopping by

          “And rule number one is: Treat all illegal links alike – child-porn, piracy, plutonium.”

          I see…and in real life, using your own arguments, Jaywalking should be considered terrorism and mandate legal intervention and legal repercussions of the same degree?

          Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. Proportionality in law is one of the things we need to have, or we can all just crawl back into a cave with a lifetime’s supply of canned beans and a shotgun.

          You do not EVER justify the same proportionality which exists for the rape of children to apply to the exchange of information on how person A can copy an mp3 from person B. The same way you do not justify clusterbombing a city block because one person has been suspected of smoking weed.

          From a practical perspective, in essence Google filtering copyrighted material from indexing means two things.

          A) Piracy goes on without even a stumble.
          B) Google and every other indexing service dies.

          In short you abolish indexing functionality for every legal purpose while failing to achieve your stated goals. All collateral damage, no gain.
          Fact of the matter, under your paradigm, the only thing you will reliably be able to find on the internet will be pirate copies of media. There is no way around that fact. Which is why every major tech company objected to SOPA. And which is why you have to be an utter technical illiterate to support SOPA.

          Even Microsoft’s technical departments have grave misgivings – despite the fact that MS actually do possess the dream, or vision – of having .net as a separate, MS-owned intranet.

        • Anonymous

          @stopping by,
          Since when in censorship, in any form, really legal?

      • Stellablu777

        @ stopping by. the tube woudn’t exist iff it wasn’t for it’s beginnings, which include everything you hate so much – secondary copyright infringement, scraping, etc. How do you think they got so big to actually be beneficial to independent artists. Megaupload was going down the same way, btw, not only with megabox, but also with a system that would have allowed ‘rent’ to be attached to downloaded files, which would have gone to copyright holders. Can you really not see that you are contradicting yourself? oh i forgot – you’d rather that youtube and google didn’t exist…or the internet in its present form.

  • Anonymous

    Google is jsut cool like that, I am not surprised at all man.
    Anon-Planet.tk

  • Guest

    Evil Google doing good? Wow.

    • Colten

      When was Google ever evil?

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  • Anonymous

    sooner or later Google is going to have to stand up and be counted. if the entertainment industries are allowed to carry on doing what it is and progress to do what else that it wants, all sites that are not liked will be hit. this is the ideal opportunity for Congress to do some more Google Bashing but they will be the first to moan should Google decide to move it’s whole operation to another country. cloud sites as well as search engines and file hosts are gonna be hurt if a stop isn’t put to this. why should an industry that doesn’t want to embrace the internet be able to dictate how others use it?

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  • http://twitter.com/FreePSDFinder FreePSDFinder

    Good to see Google is not taking it up the ass :)
    However MPAA Are slimey bas*ards as it says
    Update: MPAA just asked the court to deny Google’s amicus brief. They argue that Google’s perspective is one-sides and that the company acts as a partisan advocate for Hotfile.

    • Anyone

      of course only the MAFIAA is not one-sided at all

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ender-Wiggin/100000885624281 Ender Wiggin

    here we go…i picture google here as one very quiet, very bland lawyer, in a ten thousand dollar suit, with a 5mm thick briefcase, handcuffed to his wrist. he’s sitting off to the side of the court room, watching the prosecution. he never blinks, and he never, ever stops smiling. (he may actually be an android.)

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  • desbest

    Five words: Google Music and Google Books.

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  • http://mostobvious.com/ Most Obvious

    if i buy an ebook and want to store it on hotfile or megaupload, it would be ok to do so.
    if someone else uploads the same ebook and shares out his link, that would not be ok.
    if two files are identical on the back-end, then there would be no need to have 2 copies of the same file. therefore in order to save costs, the service provider would consolidate the data on the back end and have multiple links to the same file. Therefore removing only the link does make sense, because the files themselves may still be in use by legitimate licensed users

    • MadAsASnake

      This is exactly the point. It’s a standard IT solution that is being deliberately misrepresented. If hotfile or mega made a separate copy for each, the links would be identical and the external behaviour of the system would be identical, and MAFIAA problem of finding all the links would be exactly as it is anyway.

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    • Anonymous

      … thats against disney wrong group there..

      • Anyone

        it is against all the members of the MAFIAA (in case you haven’t noticed there is a +9 more link)

  • Epicness@itsfinest

    Stick it to ‘em Google, stick it to ‘em!

  • ANONYMOUS

    fuck you MPAA, someone BIGGER IS IN THE GAME!!! AND YOU WILL LOSE IT.

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  • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

    Well as far as the update goes, the MPAA isn’t necessarily wrong. An amicus curiae is used when the defense aren’t necessarily capable of representing themselves, or when the ones filing the amicus have a special interest. While the latter is true, the former certainly isn’t, and apparently hotfile’s lawyers are also representing google (youtube) over a similar suit…

    there’s also the issue of apparent page limitations when submitting your case. If Google can submit an amicus neutrally (even though they’re clearly not neutral) then it can be seen to essentially extend the defense’s case, which would be unfair…and unfortunately this has already been ruled out in a previous trial when Google tried to do the same thing for a company called ReDigi. Looks to me like their amicus will get tossed out.

    Which is unfortunate, because I really want this shit to turn out right. If they’re working within the constraints of the DMCA, it’s not right to try to strip them of the safe harbor, but it seems like that’s the way the money’s going…

    • Balistic

      The MPAA is dead wrong and we shall eliminate anyone part of this organization of gangsters. I will volunteer to roll away the dead bodies in trash cans once it is done.

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        I’m talking legally speaking. Trust me when I say I have no love for the MAFIAA

    • Anonymous

      Well at worst HotFile can repeat Google’s claims or use it as a reference within their own defence.

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  • http://twitter.com/happyizpunjai happy

    Give it to them google. we don’t want another DDOS attack over the web again. Remember Hotfile we have your back .

    • Guest

      The next Ddos attack will last for months.

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  • Anonymous

    “One-sided”? Did the MPAA even consider that they themselves are “one-sided”? I mean you (MPAA) can’t honestly use that phrase and think you won’t get called out on it yourself!

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      Yeah but if they say it first then any reply can be safely ignored as “IKYABWAI”

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  • Guest

    “Hotfile As Bad As Megaupload, MPAA Tells Court”

    This mean not bad at all.

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    I don’t see the courts denying the amicus brief just because Google is solely on the side of Hotfile being legal here.

    If that was the case, then the EFF would have had amicus briefs denied on a regular basis.

  • WisleBlower

    “MPAA just asked the court to deny Google’s amicus brief. They argue that Google’s perspective is one-sided and that the company acts as a partisan advocate for Hotfile.”

    So now do hotfile will ask the court to ignore the MPAA motion to deny Google amicus brief?

    After all the MPAA is an organized crime organization conducting racket, money laundering and child prostitution?

    It is also common knowledge that Chris Dodd himself is a dangerous pederast.

    Just saying.

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  • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

    “MPAA just asked the court to deny Google’s amicus brief. They argue that Google’s perspective is one-sided and that the company acts as a partisan advocate for Hotfile” LOL like MPAA are open viewed and haven’t only just stated one sided defense, but have been proven to consistently lie even to the people they supposedly protect

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately Google isn’t the paid judge in this case.

  • Toysoldier

    One could argue that The MPAA has no right to exist because it’s used predominantly for monopoly purposes.

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  • foff

    The arguments of Google make a lot sense. If you want to extend the arguments of the Mafiaa shut down google and the whole goddamn internet. After all it is the internet and google that make the all the piracy happen. File hosters are nothing more than a tool why should they be singled out. You don’t ban bullets after all it is really the bullet that kills not the gun. It is the bullet that enters the body and does the damage. So why ban a tool or attack it.

    The lazy fucking mafiaa want ban all the tools, it should not happen and does happen in the real world. Our stupid ass law makers need to re examine the validity of copyright laws as applied to the net. Digital files should = public domain. Only those who attempt to sell digital files w without a license like those sites that try sell you a membership and then give you a torrent link that you could have found on your own should be shut down. Non commercial sharing ought to be legal as hell.

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  • Redrico

    Google and the MPAA are on a collision course to be sure. I think it is inevitable that Google will emerge the winner. Aside from the fact that they have more money, they also have progress on their side. The MPAA are dinosaurs of the media era. When the media disappears and all you have is digital content that can be transferred between people anywhere in the world in less than the time it takes to go to the DVD store you can no longer extract obscene profits by controlling its delivery to the consumer. that is the inevitable historic truth that the MPAA is trying so hard to deny. They have been made irrelevant and unnecessary. Into the dustbin of history with them.

    • foff

      Amen you said it. Trying to enforce copyright on digital files on the net is like pissing in the wind and hoping to avoid getting wet.

  • Sesew

    But they still have to submit to the underlying principle that is copyright law, which is corrupt in its very nature. What major corporation will be first to publicly denounce it?

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  • Stephane

    “MPAA just asked the court to deny Google’s amicus brief. They argue that Google’s perspective is one-sided and that the company acts as a partisan advocate for Hotfile.”

    Shouldn’t the court also deny MPAA claim because they are one-sided against cyberlockers?

    • Anyone

      the MPAA is the accuser, so they are of course one-sided

      but Google is not the defendent (yet), so they have to be neutral when adressing the court, or join hotfile’s team (they kinda already have, since they share the same lawyers ;))

      so it is a valid complaint, but still funny coming out of the MAFIAA’s mouth seeing all their propaganda, lies and spin.

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    “Update: MPAA just asked the court to deny Google’s amicus brief. They argue that Google’s perspective is one-sided and that the company acts as a partisan advocate for Hotfile.”
    Yeah because not all MPAA arguments are one-sided, pointless and draconian.

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    yaaayyyyyy Google !!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • max

    i dont understand why people always expect someone else to to the job for them..why should google care about you except privacy ?? imagine no google search just 1 day we need google more than google needs us..are they selfish with this move they doing now? hell no

  • a_theorist

    so, sooner or later it was bound to happen: economic interests opposed to those of MPAA are emerging and trying to influence decisions in the courts.

    the model viewing the MPAA as an obsolete form of business that’s going to be replaced by new a new kind of businesses seems to find confirmation in this piece of news.

    note, though, that even here only centralized economic interests matter (those of google vs those of MPAA), and not the diffuse interest made of many single individuals that get their small (economic) benefit from dotfile and the DMCA laws.

    this is because nobody yet has found a way to organize and direct diffuse economic interests (that’s the whole of what’s wrong with democracy, which by the way is still the best system we’ve got).

    btw I find very naive those who say that “google is a good corporate”, there is no such thing as a good and a bad corporate, there are only the interests of single individuals competing and every one has to find the best way to make one’s interest prevail. in this case we, “the torrent people”, should find a way to convey all our small economic interests towards our goals, and I see that very few are attempting this.

    what do you think of this analysis? (it’s based on what little i know of public choice.) let me know, I’m really curious.

    • Anyone

      google is not good, but at least it’s not evil

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Black-Dragon/100001900463859 Black Dragon

    Google rocks

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    Anonymous, help us again! XD

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  • http://www.facebook.com/ValhallaLegend Andrew Lee

    Well I’m not a big hotfile fan but the claims against them are absurd. Hotfile removes copyrighted content like it’s going out of style. I mean seriously look at google you can find pretty much anything and if it is removed it’s posted on ce with a list of a billion other file host. Yeah that’s pretty messed up they have list with thousands of websites on single claims. Hell you can almost find more with them lol…

    Look at some of the sites like phaze before they moved again. Links to tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of forums for nothing but software. The only reason movie piracy is made so big is because of the MPAA. When compared in size software piracy is so huge it almost makes it seem invisible.

    There is so many movies that come out every month it’s pretty easy to go watch them all as long as the trip is short with the prices of gas lol.. Now take software and compare it so many new programs are released each day it’s impossible to keep track. Clones of other services all the way to something original that’s never been seen.

    What do the movie studios do to protect their shit? Try to kill freedom of information and privacy. What do some software places do to protect their shit? Look at adobe with photoshop they try to keep up with the times always upgrading their software security. Yeah it’s probably going to be cracked every single time but at least they’re trying to keep up. Are they bitching with the MPAA I don’t know lol probably if I had to guess. I would also guess the lack of computer know how by most would stop a lot of people from trying to install cracked files with decent security.

    I guess the MPAA are too good to have to spend money for file security like Adobe,Microsoft,Apple,Sony,Samsung all the way down to files by unknown people. At least they try to make it harder for people to exploit unlike the fools over at the MPAA. It would be like leaving a fucking bucket of cash on the street with nobody around to guard it. It’s basically begging to be took. At least put some form of security around it before you’ve said that everything that could be done to protect it has been done already.

    I know it looks odd watching google defend them with their shady ways lol. We all know they’ve done some shit that’s pissed a lot of people off including me. I will give them props for fighting for the greater good.

    • MadAsASnake

      The problem they have is that copy-protection can be broken. They dictated a format for DVD, and players are built to that format. They were safe at first as DVD recorders and blanks were expensive and the code was unknown. All that is history now, anyone with a standard PC can remove the copy protection off a DVD and copy to a new blank (less the silly junk). Given that the DVD players are hard-coded with the cracked encryption system, they are stuck. A new encryption system would be incompatible with most DVD players out there. Same is happening already on Blu-Ray. Even if they do work out a “perfect” system, it still needs to be decoded to be shown on a screen and it’s usually pretty easy to hook into that output – only has to be done once and there are plenty of geeks know how to do that.

      As they have found, no end of laws actually stops people doing it. The only way to address the problem is as a service issue. Price and package it intelligently and the problem goes away.

      • Anyone

        with HDCP they tried to prevent that, all content is encrypted when it goes from one device to the next, only if all devices understand HDCP it will even output.

        now of course, that has also been broken already and masterkeys are out there, so it is pointless.

        as with all DRM it only hurts paying customers, the pirates will never encounter any issues
        and they wonder why people pirate…

        • MadAsASnake

          Aslong as they need to decode it to play it this will be true.

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  • Unknown Soundsystem

    the fact that if i google for example ‘mission impossible download’ it points me to pirate sites. Thats saying something. its saying that the movie companies dont put enough effort themselves into the download market. If instead search engines pointed me to an official site the whole situation would be different. You cant blame google or web-servers for this blatantly poor attempt to capture the biggest market on the planet.

    If movie and music companies hate piracy maybe they need to nip it in the bud. The fact they wait so long for piracy to be rife and then prosecute people who simply own a server and sells space on it to anyone at all says to me that they dont like the fact they were lax enough to let their content get pirated in the 1st place.
    a) lower the ripoff prices of cinemas and hard or soft copys of the content, and …
    b) maybe throw some of the billions of currency they make into anti piracy measures in the 1st place. If they stopped the film being leaked in the first place then it might be different.

    Ask anyone in the movie/music industry why they got into film/music making. i bet it wasnt distinctively ‘to make bags of cash’ i bet it was to get your ideas and product to as many people to enjoy as possible. They make enough bloody money as it is. corporate greed is destroying this world, not with courts giving the big men an extra helping hand.

    Fact is there is such a fine line between business and theft nobody can tell you the difference any more.

    • Anyone

      google shows on top what is most popular
      if that is piracy links the fault lies with the content distributers and not with google

      try using Netflix, Hulu, etc. outside of the US, even if I wanted to pay for MAFIAA content they won’t take my money.

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  • Guest

    Even if Google acts selfishly because its own interests are in danger due to this bullshit of MPAA, no one can deny that its actions stands for the freedom on the Internet and defends us against the danger that MPAA represents to the Internet as we know it.

  • John

    I’m no fan of google but I’m happy to see them as the good guys here.

    Now, the RIAA and the MPAA and all those guys can have their MAFIAA to spread misinformation, bully and manipulate politicians and the legal system but if all the newer technology corporations worked together a little more they’d standa chance together. For freedom, for the opportunity to keep innovating, for society.

  • Anon

    MPAA … argue that Google’s perspective is one-sided…

    Oh dear. Pot and the kettle.

    • Thomas Wrobel

      They don’t seem to understand how courts work :p

      • Thomas Wrobel

        Kinda like a criminal complaining the witness that saw him running from the bank with the cash is being “one sided”

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  • Anonymous

    you know just when I am about to give up on Google, What with this new policy change they do something redeeming….

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  • Cavalier1645

    I don’t care if Google is doing it out of kindness of there hearts or out of some self serving agenda (which confidentially i lean towards.. but hey i’m pessimist with such low opinion of my fellow man anyway) The MPAA got to be stopped and idiot government got to stop wasting their time and our tax payers money on these stupid internet piracy cases.

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    Guys, you can say whatever you want but it doesn’t change the fact that Google really screwed up – maybe for the first time ever.

    Nobody gets away with supporting criminal organizations like MegaUpload.

    It is now clear to even the most naive anti SOPA protester – and that says a lot :) – why he was tricked into protesting against a bill he never understood:

    To serve & protect Google.

    Google spend most of their time in court nowadays, and it’s hardly surprising that they are desperate to influence the development of the law.

    But they don’t win anything on this, except the support they already had from the criminal world.

    On the contrary; they risk losing it all.

    Why?

    Because their customers are ordinary people.

    And ordinary people just don’t want to support criminal organizations.

    • MadAsASnake

      Mega was not a criminal organisation. Due process dear boy, and in case you didn’t notice, the prosecution is screwing it up big time. When you have a guilty verdict you can say this, not before.
      MPAA risk loosing it all. The hotfile case is simply MPAA telling a court to closedown another company. No evidence, no legal reason, no precedent.
      I have every expectation that the courts will honour the concept of innocent until PROVEN guilty. Your name calling is petty and wrong.
      You know ordinary people don’t like being presumed to be and being accused of being criminals when it is not true. It is MPAA etc that do this… not google

      • Stellablu777

        why do you even try to argue with him? he constantly shows that he knows next to nothing about either the MU case or the way the internet works. He also never engages in argument but simply comes out taunting people. I don’t think he’s a paid troll, though he for sure repeat everything the MPAA says verbatim. I think he’s simply bitter and does not care about any of the broader political issues involved. In fact, I bet he’s an artist who thinks his career has not taken off as it should because of piracy. Funnily enough, he could make money out of his notoriety on this board and thus prove to himself that he’s wrong and the internet is actually a good thing for artists – but for that he’d need some creativity and initiative and he seems to be lacking both…

  • XXx

    MPAA — ARE the one who fund loads of stuff

    THE lawyers are being BRIBED for sure to be SO one sided

    ++++++ MANY lawyers hardly know anything about the latest technology +++ latest laws

    HOPE google Protect torrent — should share some of its free software VIA torrent

    GOOGLE is right in saying that the the COMPANIES should look for links to be removed and notify the FILE hoster NOT the other way round

    GOOGLE should not remove any LNK from his search RESULT ONLY if the COMPANY tell so ????????

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t they just remove DRM and encryption, then pray for people to buy them? Pirates always find a way around and buyers will still buy with or without DRM. The company saves money for not needing to develop new encryptions and consumers are happy. Seriously, what could go wrong?

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    I like that fact that there are now 2 big players in this game.
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    i am highly skeptical about googles involvement …

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  • John Doe

    “MPAA just asked the court to deny Google’s amicus brief. They argue that Google’s perspective is one-sided and that the company acts as a partisan advocate for Hotfile.”

    Google’s perspective is one-sided? Then what about the perspective of the MPAA.

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