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Google Strikes Back After MPAA Objects To Hotfile Intervention

Google recently filed an amicus brief in which it suggested that the movie companies of the MPAA were misleading the court in their case against file-hosting service Hotfile. In response the MPAA objected to Google’s intervention with claims that the search giant is only interested in influencing the law in its own favor. Now Google is striking back stating that the welfare of legitimate businesses and the climate of free expression online is at stake.

The heat in the year-long copyright infringement lawsuit between the MPAA and Hotfile stepped up a level recently after Google filed an amicus brief in response to the studios’ request for summary judgment against the file-hoster.

Worried that a negative judgment might have lasting effects for sites such as YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Wikipedia, Google explained the the studios are wrong when they say that Hotfile doesn’t deserve protection under the safe harbors of the DMCA.

“Without the protections afforded by the safe harbors, those services might have been forced to fundamentally alter their operations or might never have launched in the first place,” Google wrote in its brief.

But the MPAA objected to the search engine’s intervention, describing its brief as a “systematic effort by Google, itself a defendant in ongoing copyright infringement cases, to influence the development of the law to Google’s own advantage.”

“Although Google purports not to take a position regarding summary judgment here, Google unmistakably seeks a ruling against Plaintiffs. Google’s motion should be denied,” the studios conclude.

Now Google has responded and roundly rejects the MPAA’s opposition.

The search engine denies that it wants the court to rule one way or the other, but is instead trying to highlight the importance of the DMCA’s safe harbors “and the broad consensus that has developed among courts called upon to apply those provisions.”

Google says that its intention for filing the amicus brief is not to directly assist Hotfile or indeed further its own interests, but to help highlight the importance of the court’s decision on the wider Internet.

“Google’s aim in seeking to participate in this case is to underscore the importance of the Court’s decision to a wide array of legitimate and socially beneficial Internet services, and to the overall climate of free expression online,” Google’s counsel writes.

Google says that its filing is “classic amicus curae” – assisting in a case of general public interest, supplementing the efforts of counsel, and drawing the court’s attention to law that escaped consideration. It adds pointedly that the MPAA has not attempted to use relevant DMCA case law to have the brief dismissed.

“It is telling in that regard that Plaintiffs’ Opposition does nothing to refute the actual legal and policy arguments in Google’s proposed brief,” Google notes. “Rather than oppose Google’s arguments on the merits, Plaintiffs try to silence Google.”

It will be interesting to see the outcome of the conflict here between the MPAA and Google and whether it remains localized in the Hotfile court room or spill over to other affairs. While Google’s points regarding the effects of this case on the wider Internet are noble, it seems unlikely that they aren’t considering their own interests too. Nevertheless, that doesn’t make their stance any less valid.

The IFPI also took up an aggressive stance (1,2) against Google recently but it’s difficult to see how rightsholder conflict with the world’s most influential Internet company will yield the results they’re looking for.

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  • Derp

    Go google go!

    • Anonymous

      American ISPs to launch massive copyright ‘graduated response’ on July 12.
      Wah wah waaaaahh…

      • Google Is King

        Burn, Fire, Burn

        • : )

          tits , or , GTFU

      • 9gag user

        9gag reference anyone?

        http://9gag.com/gag/3513220

        • Krosis

          get cancer pls

        • Guest

          Fuck 9gag

    • Anonymous

      FIX THE GODDAMN TORRENTFREAK RSS FEED FOR GOOGLE READER USERS WITH CHROME.

      aLSO: Article Typo:
      “Google explained the the studios are wrong when they say that Hotfile “

    • Guess

      “to influence the development of the law to Google’s own advantage.” correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black? has the MPAA and RIAA and the rest of the copy wrong trolls been doing exactly the above, ACTA, spoa pipa etc?

      • FBI RATS

        Yes i was amazed to hear them say that too. If the judge knows anything about the copyright gang, surely he sees the irony in that statement to.. right? I can’t believe what i just read…

    • exploding diarrhea

      tits bounce tits!

  • jabbaz

    Finally, someone with deep pockets willing to stand up and fitght the MAFIAA

    • Anonymous

      Google is protecting those deep pockets.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000617943487 Máté Bikfalvi

        It doesn’t matter in this case. Our interests in this is the same as Google’s. So if Google wins, we win.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          One time I have to agree. Google’s point of view here is TorrentFreak’s point of view for the most part.

          Saying that the DMCA notices work very well and that the MPAA and RIAA should NOT be allowed to whine and moan just because Hotfile, Rapidshare, etc. refuse to blacklist X file from being uploaded just because they want them to, on the basis that not ALL those files being uploaded even if the same are necessarily infringing.

        • http://twitter.com/BIGELLOW Bob Bigellow

          The enemy of our enemy is our friend?

        • Guess

          Considering a lot of the DMCA notices are done with automated software and a lot of them wrong, is there anything legaly saying companys receiving DMCA notices for files that the copy right troll wrongly submits cant be billed for the time taken to verify on say youtubes, hotfiles etc end? wonder how eager they’d be to use automated software if they get charged for wrongly submitted DMCA notices?

  • MadAsASnake

    And MPAA are working in the interests of all. Hah.

  • Anonymous

    This could be good if they disallow Google’s Amicus Brief. Google might then take up the reins and go full bore against the MAFIAA. The MAFIAA certainly doesn’t want to lock horns there, because Google more than has the resources to take them all on.

    • Anonymous

      I’m thinking the same. Google, by and large, is a company which lives and breathes creativity and engineering. They have better things to spend their huge resources at than lawyers. They vastly prefer sinking that massive income into further creation and construction. So far!

      If you convince Google that they can not function on the same continent with current IP legislation – which is what the MPAA/RIAA/BSA seem hell-bent on trying to accomplish – then google will start swinging those massive resources in self-defense.

      I’m minded of nothing so much than a bunch of mice trying to eat a sleepy tiger alive. That goes well only until he’s had it with the nipping.
      Fact of the matter is, Google could drown the MPAA in lawyers. They haven’t so far because they’ve seen no real need.

      • Anonymous

        But if this is truly a war, the resources they spend now would be more than made up when they win. And if they don’t win, it really doesn’t matter, because it would be the beginning of the end of the Internet as we know it. Not to mention all our freedoms, not just internet based freedoms. Don’t forget, the copyright freaks hunt down singing barbers, children’s school choirs, wedding receptions, and libraries that have public book readings for kids. Dr. Seuss would be ashamed, I’m sure. They need to be put down like the rabid dogs they are.

        • Anonymous

          I use to think car bombing and assassination is excessive.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          I hear you, Anonymous…… honestly, the more and more I hear this bullcrap from the MPAA/RIAA the more that little voice in the back of my head saying “They deserve whatever the hell they get as long as their families are left out of it!” gets LOUDER AND LOUDER!

          At this point, it’s screaming. Thankfully, I have a lot of willpower when it comes to my violent impulses so I’M in no danger of acting on them. Some other people? Perhaps not.

        • Timmy

          IF MPAA wins, it’s not just the end of the internet. It’s the end of other freedoms too. The next step is accessing other technology (eg. OnStar, cell phones, etc.) for home and mobile surveillance of the public, just to see if they are playing (perhaps even humming) music and movies they didn’t buy.
          Extrapolating the current trend: in 10 years, people will be arrested for humming a tune to themselves, because it will be considered an unauthorized performance that violates copyright.

      • John

        In many ways google is a sleeping giant here, if they took the same initiative and methods the MPAA and RIAA have been using to manipulate the law for years it would be big.
        So far they’ve been attacking google and its credibility while google politely limits itself to pointing out the law but should they push google too far who knows what might happen.

        In a way it’s sad because it means a company that so far has focused more on creativity and development would be dragged down to the same manipulative tactics as the old powers it’s trying to fight but the alternative would be to give up the fight and give up progress.

        • Guest

          Google is most definitely a sleeping giant in this case, and depending on the result of the Hotfile case this whole thing could blow up. Google gets over 2 *billion* search hits a day worldwide. Throw in Gmail, Youtube, etc. and it probably doubles. Google literally has the power to cause a public uproar about the whole situation. Remember how effective the SOPA blackout was? Now imagine if Youtube blacked itself out for a day. People world wide would be PISSED. Combine this with Google’s own lobbying that can be done, and the RIAA/MPAA is screwed.

          Google also has a lot of influence on other companies. A lot of like-minded companies would back Google with this… potentially even their rivals. For example: Facebook will likely have similar interest (even if its only self-interest) because the DMCA also protects them. That adds another 2 billion or so hits per day…

        • Anonymous

          Concur on all points, as both you and Guest below point out, Google has a potential influence which is massive. Google has, to my knowledge, never used any of it. From all points of view, Google is actually very conservative and cautious in how it uses it’s political and fiscal power.

          If that changes – if you piss off Google until the point where they can see a clear confrontation with the BSA, MPAA and RIAA as inevitable if they are to keep doing business – then we will see a shitstorm unleashed the like of which no one has seen in modern times.

          Google not only has massive clout on the net. They also possess a potential war chest a few orders of magnitude bigger than that of the MPAA and RIAA combines.

          Of course…from the point of view of the MPAA and the RIAA none of that matters – whether they lose or win is to them not even of consequence as long as they can keep billing. In that respect those lobbying firms are like war profiteers who couldn’t care less if their “clients” are left in burning wrecks on the sea while the dreadnaught H.M.S. Google sails blithely on with smoking cannons…

  • Anyone

    looks like Google is playing for keeps
    hopefully that will shut up the MAFIAA

    and if this case falls the MU case will also fall.

    • Anonymous

      It is not true that if this HotFile case fails that the MU case would also fail but it would do a great deal of damage to it.

  • Anonymous

    This is satisfying. Hollywood suckers get a heavy-weight opponent instead of getting to bully soccer-moms.

    • Anonymous

      A pool of imported spring water.

      • Colten

        Who has that?

  • Gest

    “MPAA objected to Google’s intervention with claims that the search giant is only interested in influencing the law in its own favor.”

    How can I file a brief? its just 3 words

    Pot. Kettle. Black.

    • Gae

      That statement actually made me laugh out loud

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  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    I remain somewhat distrustful of Google and their TRUE incentives in lodging this amicus brief, but that’s not to say they may actually be assisting people worldwide (as well as their own business interests) by attempting to have a say in the outcome of this awful case brought by the MPAA against freedom, democracy and human society in the 21st century.

    The MAFIAA’s so-called “logic” of making a profit from that which is no longer profitable will be very profitable for many movie-makers and actors in the future, lol.

    Put simply, the monopolistic nature of the MAFIAAs CopyWrong Cartel is no longer appropriate nor required in the 21st Century given our technological progress. And for that dying industry-model to keep throwing cash at our elected politicians in the hope that more anti-freedom and anti-knowledge laws will be passed is simply unacceptable in our World of today.

    Give it up MAFIAA – we don’t want to hate you, we simply want you to accept OUR mutual future together.

    • MadAsASnake

      MAFIAA will end up like Bin Laden in the end. Years in hiding before a quiet burial at sea. No one will be too upset.

    • Slashdot

      Shut up dickhead. Google FTW!

      • Anyone

        no need to use personal attacks, we are trying to have a civilized discussion as long as we still have a free internet.

      • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

        Once you gag on my delightful dickhead and swallow like any other decent Google-slave, I’ll seriously consider implementing your demand xXx

    • Anyone

      if you don’t like Google you can happily live without it
      sure, they offer a service/product for practically everything on the internet, but there are also alternatives for each and every one of those.

      so even if Google may not be good, they are at least leaving people that want nothing to do with them in peace instead of sueing everyone in the planet to use Chrome and Google+ like the MAFIAA would do in their place.

      • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

        It’s actually VERY difficult to “live without” Google as it’s so pervasive.

        Using the NoScript add-on with Firefox, I’ve already blocked many unnecessary Google functions that occur without you, the surfer, knowing what they do every time you visit a site. But it’s almost impossible to avoid ALL Google functions and ‘products’ which, in my book, is rather unfair and overly intrusive.

        So yes, I don’t like Google for it’s unavoidable presence in my online life when I didn’t invite it to so do. You understand my reservations a little better now perhaps?

        • Anyone

          I do
          I didn’t really think of their “AdSense” stuff that is on most pages.

          I was thinking more of endproducts like gmail or google maps

        • anon

          Crybaby.

    • Gilbert

      I’m kinda feeling the same way about google. no doubt their looking out for their own ass with this brief, but what happens in the end game? google has become quite a virus the last few years, buying up almost everything…how long before they start acting like the MPAA, bending the laws to fit their agenda?

      Kinda wish I could just say “go google” and feel like the world is a better place with them in our corner..but with them buying out everything(add Motorola to that list now) and their continued amassing of power nearly daily, will our internet freedom truly be safe…or freedom in general for that matter? or will the enemy change form a few years down the road into something truly unstoppable…..hmm kinda like a massive corporation with nearly unlimited financial resources?

      as many people here have said, the MPAA/RIAA wouldn’t stand a chance if Google started throwing money around and it appears google is our only hope against corporations threatening our internet freedoms.

      hypothetically, if Google switched sides…then what would we do? protest, that seemed to really stop the MPAA/RIAA, didn’t it? how about boycotting google products…well they’ll probably own nearly 80% of all electronics with in the next decade, think you could stop using your cell phones,search engines, car devices or youtube*ect*? it’ll be like the MPAA/RIAA on steroids.

      granted, this sounds a bit like doom saying, but greed always wins in the end and from the looks of it, google has plenty of it..

      meh, this post is kinda off subject, but seeing people root for Google kinda makes me think of people accepting one coup being replaced by another potentially bad one.

      TL::DR:
      MPAA/RIAA/Google = Money hungry corporations.
      more info? read my rant.

      just some food for thought.

      • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

        Well said Gilbert, and if you don’t me saying, put so eloquently too because you describe in detail my own reservations and potential fears that Google will indeed turn into the next evil monster we need to slay – merely to keep our privacy and internet freedom secure from corporate busybodies and their intrusive intentions to interfere and influence our daily lives.

      • anon

        Every motherfucking human being on Earth is a money hungry whore because money makes the world go around. The more you have, the more you want, your wants never end, human nature really. Don’t pretend as if you’re some saint and don’t care about money. GTFO.

  • Anonymous

    not sure if Google is just flexing it’s muscles here, trying to defend only it’s own business or whether it can see what is going to happen to the wider internet in general if the entertainment industries keep getting away with everything they want. am still of the opinion that had Google come into the fray years ago, the internet would not be in the state it’s in now, with people being found guilty on accusation, receiving massive fines/imprisonment, losing their internet connection (which is a MUST HAVE in today’s society as many banks etc do everything over the net) and even kids being unable to do school work. and, i say again, all because of a few bits of data!

    • Anonymous

      I would believe Google sees this in two ways.

      First is that the MPAA is indeed doing an attack on DMCA law aiming to insert a list of exceptions where DMCA law does not apply so that they can bypass this safe-harbour status. That is clearly a direct threat to Google and others.

      Then second it is hard for anyone to miss that the MPAA in this HotFile case have just filed the same charges against HotFile that the DOJ did against Mega meaning these cases are now linked. Should the MPAA win this case then that would mean the DOJ/FBI could go on to raid other DMCA safe-harbour companies whenever it wanted.

      So not many can miss that DMCA safe-harbour law has been placed under serious attack as the Copyright Cartels try to discredit it until toothless and worthless.

  • Gbrln

    Google should leave the States and go to Russia (there is more transparency there these days), so they will learn….

    • Jhvkw

      No, the US government should go to Russia and leave Google alone, so they will learn…

    • Anyone

      political censorship might be better than commercial censorship, but it is still wrong.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      In Soviet Russia…

      Oh wait…

  • http://www.twitter.com/echoman74 echoman

    Goggle is stepping up and not letting themselves be bullied speaking of bullying on Mpaa’s recent tweets they’ve mentioned about bullying. So wouldn’t it be interesting for them to take their own advice? I mean seriously if they mention how they lose money with their fake amounts & guesses of how many people in the industry are “losing jobs” with the exaggerated amount of “2.2 million”.

    Seriously hmm well Louis ck wasn’t going broke from the Internet and um wow if it weren’t for the Internet even though you might not like JUSTIN BEIBER holy shit he came from the net too. (Please not J.b. and Louis ck are just examples)

    So my point here is Goggle won’t allow Mpaa/Riaa bullying them.
    Mpaa/Riaa the evil duo who seem to think they own the world seriously can’t defeat the net and now the war has begun Tech industry vs. Mpaa/Riaa’s industry. Because they are no longer deserving of the title creative industry.

    When they’ve repeatedly placed harm through government, fans, customers, consumers, music and film lovers, artist, musicians, producers, directors and everyone and everything.

    The end is coming. You cast your evil upon us and don’t think for one second you won’t be struck back with karma via mpaa/riaa.

    P.S. NEVER FORGET THE INTERNET/PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS WIN!

  • Anonymous

    “…the MPAA objected to Google’s intervention with claims that the search giant is only interested in influencing the law in its own favor.”

    The sheer hypocrisy of that statement is overwhelming.

    • The guy

      The MPAA has no right to accuse google of the one thing that they themselves have been doing for quite some time now. It goes to show that the MPAA has gotten very desperate for their so-called justice.

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    I’m really wishing this become a full scale nuclear war between Google and the MAFIAA so everything will be brought in shambles to the ground so we can start over and build a decent, fair and reliable copyright base.

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120316/04432718127/should-there-be-right-to-copyright-exceptions.shtml

  • anonymous

    MPAA:
    Phase 1: Make movie
    Phase 2: ???
    Phase 3: Profit $$$

    Humm … phase 2 = lawsuits

    • Sir

      Oh please! The MPAA shouldn’t be concerned with such lowly activities as actually participating in productions of movies. That’s for the peasants! Then the MPAA will gladly free said peasants from the evil clutches of money. For the artists’ sakes!

      • Tsunku

        but they are concerned with productions of movies, productions of movies they have no hands in the pockets of, independant producers of movies who are not and never will be members of mpaa and thus pay $0 to the mpaa. that is one of their biggest complaints against all cyberlockers and other distribution methods because they do not deny the independant movies a distribution method. a lot of mpaa’s takedown notices have been for these independant movies and will continue to be so until they can figure out a way to force the independant movie makers under their thumb.

  • Pianogamer

    “systematic effort by Google, itself a defendant in ongoing copyright infringement cases, to influence the development of the law to Google’s own advantage.”

    Remaining at status quo, like Google wants, is not a development of the law.
    MPAA seems to base their allegations on how they prefer the law to develop in the future.THEY are the one systematically influencing the law to its advantage… lolwut.

  • Anonymous

    the enemy of my enemy….

  • Pricetag

    If Google is involved here then I guess the outcome could be obvious. Lets see if MAFIAA has more money and resources to offer to those fat bastard america politican than Google does..I will be keeping my finger crossed.

  • Techanon

    TL;DR version of this article:
    Google: “MPAA your argument is Ad Hominem. Pointing our interests doesn’t make our argument any less valid.”

  • Anonymous

    GOOGLE do us all a favor and remove all MPAA & RIAA & Hollywood Studios info from your Search Engine.Get their stooges off your Search.
    Fuck The MAFIAA ! When you finally die we will then get to live the good life.

  • http://rct.me.ht/ crashsuit

    I lol’d at MPAA saying anyone else was “only interested in influencing the law in its own favor”

  • Anonymous

    What are they 12 year olds? It like they are children fighting for the attention of a parent. Just have a good fist fight and get over it. And since the MPAA is in my mind run by old men who only want more money before they leave this earth (shame on them) I think Google (the younger and more powerful) would win.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    The irony is inescapable that as you see the gradual erosion of net freedom being driven by the MAFIAA.

    Who would have thought 10 years ago that the goal posts would have shifted so far that wewould now be defending our freedom under the DMCA, a MAFIAA sponsored act that was intentionally left open to such wide abuse via false take downs by the MAFIAA that they originally hoped they could kill internet startups at birth

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    Millions vs millions. I’m curious to see how it will develop

  • Noneone

    Currently the MAFIAA want to get rid of the safe harbor standards. With no safe harbors then the new standard is from the MAFIAA is “keep doing what I tell you till I don’t want to sue you any more”. Those new MAFIAA standards are unacceptable to any business that resides on the internet.

  • Anon

    MAFIAA is trying to see how far they can push their b.s. Hotfile gets rid of DMCA complaint files pretty quickly so targeting them is one more step in destroying safe-harbour protection.

    MAFIAA likes to sue low-income moms for hundreds of thousands of dollars so MAFIAA members can pay for more cocaine and hookers.

  • foff

    Here is the question: I once had a steamload account and had nearly a terabyte of data in it. However I could never get the data because it cost like $25 per 100mb to download. This model never worked and the company went out of business. Along comes cyber lockers which allow almost unlimited storage and downloads for a small fee. I have perhaps 20 terabytes of stuff I would love to store have no confidence that any of these companies will survive.

    These companies are nothing more then a tool like google. Although pirates have found this tool useful it does not make them anymore illegal then google. Here is the sticking point: Should they allow publication of a pubic link? The Mafiaa would like to say no but free speech and free internet say yes. What google is afraid of is the demise of the free internet. There is no way a program can censor links effectively. It would take an army of millions to scrub the internet of pirate links and even then millions of encrypted or mislabeled links would remain. This is the world that the Mafiaa wants that google is fighting.

    The Mafiaa basically wants an internet reset where they can control every byte of data on the net. Judges who follow their dogma are in danger of facilitating the set back of freedom of speech and expression hundreds of years all in the name of an artificial cartel. Digital must = Public domain for freedom to rein.

  • RIAAtarded

    The only reason MPAA is bitching is because someone with the money to back a fight against them has stepped up. They’d much prefer to silently get judgements,put forth legislation, and otherwise KY all our respective posteriors then legitimately deal with the issues at hand. They aren’t willing to admit they created a need for piracy and the issues lie with their own actions. Google you want to take these morons on and at anytime need support post it you’ll have my signature / vote. We need someone with money and size to put these idiots in their place.

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      and otherwise KY all our respective posteriors

      Why does it always come down to sodomy with you people?!

      • Anonymous

        Because it’s a good metaphor and does possess some characteristics as concerns one partner forcing their beliefs on another resulting in a painful and unwanted-for action?

        That said, I personally favor a more resilient metaphor. What the MPAA engages in wholesale is, basically, Fraud.

      • Anonymous

        Because it’s a good metaphor and does possess some characteristics as concerns one partner forcing their beliefs on another resulting in a painful and unwanted-for action?

        That said, I personally favor a more resilient metaphor. What the MPAA engages in wholesale is, basically, Fraud.

  • http://twitter.com/hmcca Harry

    Larry and Sergei could buy the entertainment industry if they wanted…

  • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

    Where is my popcorn? This will be very interesting. MAFIAA vs. Google, yay!

  • Guest

    MegaUpload represented 25 percent of Carpathia Hosting’s revenue, and 30 percent of LeaseWeb’s revenue http://www.thewhir.com/web-hosting-news/whd-2012-legal-lessons-for-web-hosts-from-the-megaupload-com-indictment

  • Anon

    “In response the MPAA objected to Google’s intervention with claims that the search giant is only interested in influencing the law in its own favor.”

    LOL
    oh i had a good hard laugh at that one..

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  • Bglhs02

    Maybe Google should take the MPAA and RIAA offline for no good reason too. Take all the movie music sites and studio, music sites down as they offend the decency of many people and the movies, music are offensive to many others. The MPAA are the enemy and Anonymous should attack and cripple them next. They definitely deserve it.

    Get with the times MPAA RIAA and embrace the internet. You had your chance at the beginning and in your arrogance dismissed the internet and its users. You thought it was a “fad” and something that would go away…WRONG! They have alienated their audience…the very people who buy and consume media! It’s ironic!

    We are the consumers and we drive the system. Do not support these people! They need to learn! This is more crippling than piracy. Are you with me?!

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