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Hackulous: iPhone Pirates Don’t Hurt Jailbreaking’s Image

On the eve of the iPhone 4 jailbreak by the iPhone Dev Team, and with the recent positive rulings over jailbreaking’s legality, concerns over the purpose and impact of opening Apple’s line of iOS devices still exist. Dissident from Hackulous explains why he believes piracy does not ruin the image of jailbreaking, and gives insight into the real effects piracy has on application developers.

hackulousLast Monday the U.S. Copyright Office ruled that jailbreaking an iPhone or other mobile device does not constitute a violation of federal copyright law.

The timing of this announcement is perfect, as rumors persist that the iPhone 4/iOS 4.x jailbreak will be released today. As soon as it does, many hundreds of thousands of owners will rush to carry out the procedure which will allow them to run 3rd party software on their device completely legally.

UPDATE: Jailbreak has just been released and it is web-based – http://jailbreakme.com/

Of course, free pirate copies of material otherwise available from the App Store also become available, largely through the Installous app which is installed via Cydia, a piece of software included in the jailbreak package.

Installous is developed by the Hackulous community which is run by a guy called Dissident. TorrentFreak hands you over to him for the rest of this article.

Guest article from Dissident of Hackulo.us and apptrackr – undoubtedly the web’s largest resource for cracked iPhone Apps.

Firstly, I would like to thank TorrentFreak for giving me this opportunity to publish this article on their website. My name is Dissident, and I am an administrator of a website called Hackulous — an online community which has, for the last two years, been working to circumvent the DRM on Apple’s iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad products.

Apple has always been very stringent regarding what programs can be run on these devices. These products are distributed with a tightly locked down operating system and are forced to work only with Apple-approved software available on the iTunes App Store. Since the beginning, even before the advent of Apple’s portable iDevice product line, “jailbreaking” has been the attempt of talented reverse engineers to find ways to exploit the devices. The goal is to break out of the software jail imposed by the operating systems, so as to run any kind of software that users want on their devices.

Jailbreaking the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad is no different. Several millions of owners of Apple’s devices have used jailbreaking to push the boundaries of what is possible with their devices. Installer (now defunct), Cydia, Icy (also defunct), and Rock are well-known examples of distribution centers that jailbroken devices can access to obtain homebrew applications that really add a lot to the overall experience.

For example, Winterboard, the application that allows theming of the iDevice’s interface, is one of the most often downloaded items and is marked on every “must-have” list of homebrew applications. For iPhone users displeased with the subpar Messages app that came with the iPhone OS, there are at least two texting apps on Cydia, biteSMS and iRealSMS, that add features such as Drafts, Quick Reply, Quick Compose, and more. Before Apple introduced their backgrounding and folder features in iOS4, we already had Backgrounder and Categories. These are just a few examples of the freedom of customisation jailbreaking afforded us.

Eventually in 2008, Apple unveiled the App Store, a virtual marketplace for developers to sell their applications via an Apple-controlled channel. Since the beginning, one of the key missing features of this store has been a trial service, or even a refund policy. Considering that many competitor products have had these policies for years, some would expect them to be unquestionably employed by Apple, yet two years later in 2010 people are still being swindled by sub-quality applications.

Installous in action

installous

The iPhone “cracked app scene” started from the idea of people being able to trial apps before sinking their money into them; an especially useful and welcome exercise considering that such a large number of apps on Apple’s App Store are pointless, underdeveloped, overpriced, and with deceptive descriptions to boot. In the two years that have passed, our community has enjoyed an explosion of activity resulting from the interest of many to trial iPhone apps. Many of our users appreciate the opportunity to be able to make a confident and informed decision when handing over their money for apps.

Understandably, the developers who paved the way for jailbreaking are not too eager to join our community. These are the forefathers of the iPhone jailbreaking scene, who have released tools such as Pwnage Tool, redsn0w, and Spirit, and they are collectively known as the iPhone Dev Team. The team members have shown disinterest in our community, citing that a considerable portion — perhaps a majority — of our users are pirates.

Various Dev Team members recently did an interview on TWiiPhone, and the consensus among them was that they detest anything remotely associated with piracy. They have stated that they believe piracy gives jailbreaking a bad name, and while I concede that point of view, I would like also to present three important details that demonstrate that Hackulous’ brand of activity is not causing as much damage as the Dev Team and everyone else may think.

1. Most of the pirates who use our services do so because they simply cannot afford to purchase the applications. One of the prominent members of the Dev Team, planetbeing, described the pirates who use our software as “predominantly in their early teens where money is scarce and time is abundant.”

Since these users have never had any intention or capability to purchase the applications whether or not cracked versions are available, developers of these apps are losing significantly less than what they believe they are to these people.

2. Another portion of our pirates are those who have the capability of purchasing iPhone apps, but not the desire. These pirates typically do not “need” any particular application for free, they just want whatever application that can provide a certain level of entertainment for them.

They are not so much making the choice between purchasing or pirating software A, but rather making the choice between pirating software A or B. So again, the profit lost attributed to this tribe of pirates has been overestimated; these pirates would not have forked over their money anyway, they would just move on.

3. Over three million devices are running our software, Installous, to download and install cracked iPhone apps. The people using these devices are Apple customers who are likely to purchase another device, purchase new Apple products, or refer their friends to Apple. As I have stated before, the people who use our services to trial iPhone applications actually help Apple more than they hurt it.

Why, you ask? If a majority of our three million users are pirates, the value in Apple’s devices is significantly higher: These millions of users, who would otherwise be incapable or unwilling to purchase apps, now have a rich source of entertainment that greatly enhances their experience with their devices.

Apple does not like piracy, but as long as piracy increases the value of jailbroken iPhones, they have no need to be passionate about stopping it. As music has shown Apple and Steve Jobs himself, DRM can always be defeated. Apple is in fact embracing piracy for what it can accomplish for their company.

4. Piracy also helps to expose an application to the masses, much like music piracy helps artists and bands get more publicity. Without cracked app sites like apptrackr, a lot of applications would be left languishing in the pits of the App Store among the rest of the 240,984 apps (at last count) available.

Only the top 100 free and paid apps and the top 10 free and paid apps in each of the 20 genres, summing up to 600 apps, get any considerable notice. A large number of apps only get to enjoy recognition from the people within the developers’ circle of influence. When they are placed on apptrackr, however, they are exposed to an extensive audience which make up millions of unique visitors a month.

Plenty of these visitors might have never discovered these apps if not for them being placed on apptrackr. Now that they have, developers stand to gain an arbitrary percentage of profit from those who choose to buy the app after trialing, rather than to not get any customers at all.

To sum up my points, the negative impact of piracy on the market has been overstated. Contrary to what people see on the surface, piracy is not truly as detrimental as developers claim. Even Apple is likely to be more concerned with unofficial unlocks than our DRM circumvention.

This article is not in any way an attempt to convince anyone, much less the Dev Team, to condone piracy, but more to demonstrate that the population has no need to feel that piracy is corrupting the concept of jailbreaking.

The community at Hackulous, for one, has never sought to blur the lines between jailbreaking and app trialing, and we do put in effort to educate our users about the difference. Our core community has always embraced the true spirit of jailbreaking, which is to free our devices from the grips of Apple’s closed platform, and while we parttake in circumventing Apple’s DRM, we have always disapproved of associating piracy with jailbreaking.

In addition, none of the Hackulous staff are pirates and our moderators are advised not to discuss nor encourage piracy. Appulous, Installous, and eventually apptrackr, were created purely for trialing purposes. I am aware that most people think we say this to save face or for plausible deniability, but it is the honest truth. We know that a large portion of our users do not use our services as intended; this is an unavoidable fact of life. There is nothing we can do about this except to shut down our services entirely, but to be frank, our legitimate users mean a lot more to us than the pirates who use our software for unintended purposes.

I would like everyone to understand and acknowledge that we would not be operating our websites and creating the tools if we were to believe that pirates are truly harming Apple or its developers. We have our conviction that they are not, and that is why we persevere.

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  • CFultz

    The only way that the “crack” scene is able to operate is through the jailbreaking. The way people look at it, cut the head off (stop jailbreaking) kill the body (scene).

  • the people

    there would be no need for a crack scene and|or piracy if big ass companies simply developed good software to begin with, open source is making a revolution

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  • AndroidLoverAppleHater

    Just get a DROID OR SOMETHING:
    iDon’t take pictures in the dark
    iDon’t have changeable batteries
    iDon’t allow open development!!!!

    Everything iDon’t…
    DROID DOES

    Avoid the app store, 52% of android stuff=free
    23% apple=free
    Rooted android=100%free!

  • AndroidLoverAppleHater

    plus android isnt censored like apple, they even got torrent client

  • pwnst4r

    Sadly, Apple’s app approval process tends to let slip a few truly horrible apps now and then. All those mirror apps, seriously? Some of them are paid ones too, and they are somehow approved and placed on the store.

    The rational way to stop app cracking is to address the key reason the cracking scene was born. This is already mentioned in the article, and I quote:

    “[...] the App Store, [...] an Apple-controlled channel. [...] missing features of this store has been a trial service, or even a refund policy. [...] two years later in 2010 people are still being swindled by sub-quality applications.”

    Address these problems and who knows, Hackulous and all those other cracked app communities might be willing to step down.

    1) Buck up the approval process so retarded and/or deceptive apps do not get on the App Store.

    2) Implement a trial system for apps.

    3) Have a flexible refund policy.

    Stopping jailbreak to kill piracy is an incredibly myopic and thoughtless solution.

  • Ninja

    Basically, they let you do as you please with your gadget. It should be this way from the beginning. If you want flash running in your gadget you have flash running in your gadget. If you want linux running in your ps3 you have linux running in your ps3.

    But no, usually the companies behind some of the best gadget available out there provide their costumers with hard to handle locked operating systems and firmwares all in name of the infamous DRM. I for one haven’t spent a few thousand dollars in some gadgets because of the limitations imposed. Same for apps, when available for a determined gadget.

    Great article, the facts pointed here are very consistent and true. Not that MAFIAA (generally speaking here) would listen to the obvious…

  • cdevwill

    “On the eve of the iPhone 4 jailbreak by the iPhone Dev Team”

    way to fail at the first line TorrentFreak. it’s from @comex. if you actually did some research you would find that not only is this entire article bullshit, but you don’t even have simple facts straight.

  • Jean

    Look hère all the app you want for free http://www.cydia-iPhone.fr or just here http://www.iphone4g-pro.com

  • Teslanaut

    Uhh… Is there an approval process for comments on here? I posted… but I haven’t seen my response on here yet.

  • Teslanaut

    I guess I’ll break it up into two parts:

    @#2 What does quality apps have to do with people pirating it? Good or bad, the quality of apps doesn’t matter. People will still pirate it because they like to not pay. Which is different from saying that it’s “Free”. Saying that Open Source is making a revolution has nothing to do with piracy whatsoever. Piracy & Open Source are two completely different things.

    @#3 You are so very, very wrong. Also, check’s in the mail from Verizon, Motorola, & HTC. Droid also does Piracy too! Even with such an awesome open source operating system, even with the great feeling of Free & Open, even with a 24 (Now 48) hour refund trial, there is still rampant piracy even on ANDROID. It doesn’t matter whether one App market/store has XX% free or paid apps, it doesn’t matter if it’s built on Free & Open source, people will still steal. Just because you can.

  • JTK

    @1 it’s impossible to stop jailbreaking, it works by hacking the iPhone, and no system is 100% secure, Apple or otherwise.

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  • nope

    I use cracked apps for trial purposes…….except I NEVER end my trial lol.

    F*** the AppStore. Crack for life!

  • pwnst4r

    @cdevwill:
    (re: http://torrentfreak.com/hackulous-iphone-pirates-dont-hurt-jailbreakings-image-100801/#comment-693430)

    I do not feel the article is bullshit. On the contrary, the writer is rational in his delivery, consistent in his points, and appears sincere to extend a hand to the rest of the jailbreaking population for a mutual handshake.

    He is also willing to acknowledge that he and the community he runs are standing in shady waters. However, they undeniably do not wave pirate flags around and the writer also claims on behalf of his community that they do not have the pure intention of piracy. I am sure neither he nor his colleages can help that true, devil-horned, skull-faced pirates land among the Hackulous community.

    According to the article, Hackulous strives to nurture an environment that distinguishes between jailbreaking and piracy, and I think a mutual effort in achieving this all around including outside of Hackulous would be more appreciated than an all-out fight between an extremist group and a somewhat borderline community.

  • Anonymous

    try before you buy is what i do. if its worth the price buy it, if its not worth the price then dont buy it and then evaluate if it is worth keeping.

  • SomeGuy

    LOL, YA GUYS, I LIKE STEALING STUFF AND NOT PAYING FOR THINGS TOO!!!!

    LOL!!!!

  • jay

    I don’t understand why people here are recommending to get the DROID… It doesn’t even compete with the IPhone…

  • Chris P

    I really hate it when pirates give the “I can’t afford it” excuse. If you don’t have money for a song or movie or app, don’t get it/use it. You can’t steal a TV to use until you can afford to buy one, you either rent one or don’t get one.

  • Mr Boring

    I stole a can of coke from 7-11 the other day. I’m a criminal. I steal an app from AppStore or help people to do it and I’m some kind hero. Go Figure.

  • Pirat

    Can’t really expect iFags (iPhone Dev Team) to be reasonable, let alone support piracy, which is a good thing.

  • Anonymous

    @18 mr Boring.

    Stop repeating the same entertainment corporate parasites non-sense over and over again.

    you are a troll. I hope you are not spending tax payer’s money.

  • Anonymous

    Chris P=Mr Boring=jay=Some guy.

    Hey troll, if you really want people to believe your are more than one person don’t you think you should space you comments?

    On another hand this is good because you are obviously wasting the money that the entertainment corporate parasites stole from the artists and the public.

    Obviously the money they spend on you will not be use to victimize the people.

  • JD

    @3, @15
    Grow up, it’s the new kids of the Internet like you that give us all a bad name.
    I miss the intelligence the ‘net once had.

  • waah

    he is saying:
    I am not taking your cake…I am just giving it to me.
    Piracy hurts developers.
    That all there is there to it.

  • rae

    #16 And the iPhone doesn’t compete with a Blackberry

  • Doink

    The iPhone sux.

  • Truther

    For anyone seeking info…
    The iOS4 jailbreak just came out a couple of minutes ago, but we can’t blame you for that since they weren’t going to leak the info early. This is a Comex release, while all jailbreak sites generally have nice ties to each other this should be cleared up.

    Bringing back the old school device side jailbreak, no connection to your computer is needed! JailBreakMe.com its getting heavy traffic of course.

  • Pirat

    @17
    @21

    Don’t compare physical property to IP.

  • Quality Wallpapers

    Sense of interest

  • Justin

    This article and the authors POV is complete bullshit. Just so you know, when you download a cracked app, you’re not ripping off some faceless corporation or sticking it to the corporate machine, you’re taking real money away from individuals. I am a one man shop. I only get a check if I exceed $150 in sales each month. My June sales did not produce enough to generate a payment. (this will roll over until the threshold is breached)

    Imagine my surprise to learn that my app is on hackulous! There’s no way to tell how many times it’s been downloaded. All I know is that I didn’t generate enough income to even get a check for June.

    I’ve also been looking into anti piracy implementations, but I’m afraid of alienating my paid customers.

    Why don’t you guys think about that for awhile?

  • NCnite

    Clearly people want to use their devices the way they want to use their devices. Control-freak companies limit their own success with short sighted policies.

    People want to not have company imposed restrictions.

  • Anonymous

    Pirates may not hurt jailbreakers’ images, but anyone using an apple product certainly hurts the pirate image.

    While I’m all for unlocking/jailbreaking anything and everything, the fact that people continue to be anally penetrated by Steve Jobs is quite beyond my capacity.

  • Anonymous

    Jailbreaking a 4.0 Ipod touch is a bitch to do. Been trying for several weeks. Always freezes

  • optimist

    doesn’t the preacher run apptracKr LMFAO

  • HahahLameIpad

    When the fuc|< did gay-@ss Torrentfreak become Engadget. Less about rotten Apple more about Torrents and filesharing

  • Jessup Wilder

    Sorry but a iphone that isnt jailbroken is useless dude.

    real-anonymity.at.tc

  • Tom

    @27 (Justin)

    Let’s be honest for a second, most people that would have pirated your app wouldn’t have bought it in the first place, and some who pirated it probably bought it.

    I spend hundreds of pounds on apps that promised a lot and gave nothing, so I came up with rules. I will download a cracked app – I will have a week in which to try it, if I like it – I buy it. If I don’t like it, I delete it forever. This has not only helped me as a consumer, but the developers of the app (which I just bought and gave a review on) are glad that I liked their app enough to buy it when I could just have a free version.

    Don’t even look into anti-piracy measures 1. you are wasting your time, and 2. as you said, you will be alienating paying customers.

    And this is all coming from a dev as well ;)

  • zappa

    Only reason I haven’t Jailbroken my iPhone is because I’m worried about the security implications. Having third-party code that can do anything on my mobile device is not something that I want, as mobile bandwidth is bloody expensive. It’s one thing to have viruses and botnets on a PC with a broadband connection but possibly having the same on the iPhone would be a nightmare, especially when the bill comes in.

    Hey, I’m all for piracy (PC, NDS, Wii, you name it) and hating the RIAA/MAFIA as much as the next guy, but with my iPhone, I want the genuine article. I even buy the odd app… hell, at $1 a pop who cares?!

  • uim

    All apple products are for gay

    Reality check: we need no overprice fashion accessories

  • Anon

    Dissident is so full of spin, Hackulous & Apptrackr support piracy despite his ‘try before you buy’ spiel. It used to be like that but not anymore, and why would you then develop and distribute an application(s) that helps people to pirate these apps if you don’t support piracy, the majority of your users are pure pirates and you give them the tools to be so. It will be a good day when Apple finally hauls you all before the courts and developers get the chance to take what belongs to you in compensation for what you have taken from them.

  • BIOS

    I believe it is true that most of the time piracy does not literally result in lost sales.

    There are different types of people:

    1. The guy that tries before he buys.
    2. The guy that says he will but never does.
    3. The guy that wouldn’t purchase anything digital even if it was a penny.

    The only scenario that affects sales is guy #2. He would have purchased the product has he not been lazy. I am guilty of the same thing regarding PC Games. But usually I will get around to buying a legitimate copy.

    I also agree with the concept of “if you can’t afford it, don’t buy it”. Just because someone makes something, doesn’t give you the right to use/have it. Even if it would cost that person nothing, it would not be right for you to simply take it. While there is no harm done in most cases, there is really no excuse for it.

    Sure there is less harm done for filesharing and the like, but for direct to consumer products like Apps, you need to understand that you actually are hurting the developer, regardless of your self interested views.

  • Nutman

    Most well written and interesting article in awhile. More guest articles please.

  • crack addict

    @10 and the other mindless drones? cry more. wah wah wah.

    …lets not forget that intellectual property laws are bullsheet, and that laws that are bought should not be followed.

    legality does not equal morality, and no amount of calling ‘copying’ ‘stealing’ is going to change it..

    in conclusion: cry some more. :D

  • Proud Pirate

    Anything with an apple logo on is an overpriced underpowered pile of shit.

  • Tomas

    Well, I’m undecided on the argument that some people can’t afford it. It’s a good argument against the “I’m losing money to piracy” statement, as in fact you are not if the person would never have bought your app in the first place.

    On the other hand, morally I just don’t know if I agree.

    But the trial issue is a very very valid point. In my house there is me with my Android and my housemate with her iPhone. She got this app called ‘signal booster’, which was mis-represented and in fact does nothing to boost signal. It just tells you not to cover the bottom of the phone because that’s where the antenna is. Now that was a paid app.

    The thing with Android is that you wouldn’t be ripped off in that way. You’d refund the app.
    On the other hand it stops all apps of this type, as you could refund it after reading it anyway, even if it said in the description it was pure textual information.

    But contrary, you could argue that the refund policy actually helps piracy on Android. All you need is a rooted phone and you can buy all the apps you want, pull them to your PC then refund them. After you get your money just push them back to the phone off your PC and presto.

    Google have just implemented a way for apps to check with the store what state they are in (never downloaded, downloaded version x.x, refunded version x.x etc) per user account, so that shows they’ve also recognisted the refund policy flaws.

    The big thing Google try to push with their apps is advertising as a revenue stream. They’re even working on ad snippets you can drop right into your app. It highlights something I keep trying to say, which is that, before whining about piracy, you should recognise there are lots of ways to work WITH piracy and still generate income. Ads in the app are just one way.

    Personally I’ve got a few apps in the Android store but I only develop for fun so I don’t charge for them and never intend to make a penny from them. If it were my livelihood then piracy may present a problem to me, but I’d at least have the rationale to see the 3 points repeatedly made:

    1. A significant amount of pirates would have never paid for my product
    2. A reasonable amount of pirates may pay for this or find another of my products and pay for that through the one they pirated.
    3. Piracy gives my app much more exposure than I could do alone, which in turn may lead back to point 2.

    And when my app did get pirated I would look, as I said, as non-intrusive ads through it (because intrusive ads would get ripped out in minutes). I’d look at cross-promoting my other products so pirates and non-pirates alike could see what else I’ve done.

    It’s been the case in the past where I’ve pirated something, liked the quality and feature set, then purchased a different product from the same developer because I know their standard of work. I believe that is one of the points that the article attempted to raise.

    So to sum up, being smart about piracy can ultimately make it a non-issue or even work to your advantage. Just look at Ink.

  • John

    I installed a cracked game on my iPad the other day. It was a shooting/sniping game where you had to take out a number of targets in a short amount of time, without shooting hostages, etc. A bit like Silent Scope. This app cost £5 in the appstore.

    After playing it for 2 minutes, I found that the game concept was pretty good. I probably would have really enjoyed it if only the game wasn’t so damn buggy.
    Moving around the screen could be done by either tilting the ipad around, or holding your finger down and dragging it. Obviously, there are times when the game doesn’t know which input method to use and you can’t aim at all.

    Other times, after killing everyone on a mission, they would all come back to life and be shooting you while you select the next level (and kill you as you can’t shoot them back!).

    So all in all, I felt that if i’d had paid for that game I would have been totally ripped off. I mean, it caused more frustration than fun, and I thought I was buying fun.
    On the other hand, I would have liked to have given *something* to the developers, because:
    a) there where moments I enjoyed,
    b) A bit of funding might encourage them to keep developing.

    Sadly, there was nothing I could do about that. No way was I going to give £5 to the developers, but I couldn’t give £1 to them either.

    This problem isn’t the developers fault, nor is it my fault – it’s the distributors fault for not having a suitable method of exchanging money for product.

  • mk

    At the end of the day, stealing is same in digital era. Lots of individual developers are getting pounded with piracy. I am sick and tired of watching the reason behind jail breaking like a good thing.

    I had three developers so far and I had to let all go the way our apps were bleed to death.

    Whatever folks. I hate people pirating apps thinking that their contribution hurt apple which is not. Big companies make their way to make money anyway.

    People, don’t find a way to evaluate an app even though developers don’t provide a way for it.

    Good day folks

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  • StevO

    To all of the Devs and ppl selling APPS. Get a different career. Look at all the jobs computers took away from working people. SO dont complain when your field gets suprpassed as well. Fact of life. Think back even as little as 10 years ago. The post office employed millions of people, now it doesnt, and will have even less. So dont think that because you have dedicated your life to making software is secure, it isnt.In fact more and more software is becoming free. Because the internet is FOR the people, BY the people. Outside of your phones TRUE use of CALLING people, its nothing but entertainment. And MANY MANY peoples HOBBY. SO they will continue to GROW the OPEN SOURCE FREE software, with the incentive of a HOBBY. OPEN OFFICE is kicking Microsofts ass as well as GOOGLEDOCS, is taking the life right out of Office. Why? Because there simply is no reason why it should cost $500 to make a damned Document. And for LOCKED phones? Thats retarded. They focuse on micropay systems for people to LOSE money for an instrument they paid alot of money for. Its the same concept of people tricking out their cars. Some people buy a Porshe, or Ferrari so they dont have to do it themselves.But saying to a person who tricks out other cars, is illegal, is plain wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Gotta admit that while I used the jailbreak site described in this article, I’m rather concerned about the security issues as well. We’re talking about a simple webbased program here. While you do have to give permission to have it installed, I’m sure it would be child’s play to get around that and have things installed automatically.

  • ohhhh

    IF you can’t afford it, DON’T buy it.

    DON’T let the rich impose limits based on wealth.

    If in the future , the recipe for the “” Cancer cure “” was copyrighted. And cost $1,000,000 to buy the cure.
    Should people who CAN’T aford it HAVE TO die ?

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

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    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    IF you can’t afford it, DON’T buy it.

    DON’T let the rich impose limits based on wealth.

    If in the future , the recipe for the “” Cancer cure “” was copyrighted. And cost $1,000,000 to buy the cure.
    Should people who CAN’T aford it HAVE TO die ?

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    IF you can’t afford it, DON’T buy it.

    DON’T let the rich impose limits based on wealth.

    If in the future , the recipe for the “” Cancer cure “” was copyrighted. And cost $1,000,000 to buy the cure.
    Should people who CAN’T aford it HAVE TO die ?

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    IF you can’t afford it, DON’T buy it.

    DON’T let the rich impose limits based on wealth.

    If in the future , the recipe for the “” Cancer cure “” was copyrighted. And cost $1,000,000 to buy the cure.
    Should people who CAN’T aford it HAVE TO die ?

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

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    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    IF you can’t afford it, DON’T buy it.

    DON’T let the rich impose limits based on wealth.

    If in the future , the recipe for the “” Cancer cure “” was copyrighted. And cost $1,000,000 to buy the cure.
    Should people who CAN’T aford it HAVE TO die ?

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    IF you can’t afford it, DON’T buy it.

    DON’T let the rich impose limits based on wealth.

    If in the future , the recipe for the “” Cancer cure “” was copyrighted. And cost $1,000,000 to buy the cure.
    Should people who CAN’T aford it HAVE TO die ?

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    IF you can’t afford it, DON’T buy it.

    DON’T let the rich impose limits based on wealth.

    If in the future , the recipe for the “” Cancer cure “” was copyrighted. And cost $1,000,000 to buy the cure.
    Should people who CAN’T aford it HAVE TO die ?

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    IF you can’t afford it, DON’T buy it.

    DON’T let the rich impose limits based on wealth.

    If in the future , the recipe for the “” Cancer cure “” was copyrighted. And cost $1,000,000 to buy the cure.
    Should people who CAN’T aford it HAVE TO die ?

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    IF you can’t afford it, DON’T buy it.

    DON’T let the rich impose limits based on wealth.

    If in the future , the recipe for the “” Cancer cure “” was copyrighted. And cost $1,000,000 to buy the cure.
    Should people who CAN’T aford it HAVE TO die ?

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    IF you can’t afford it, DON’T buy it.

    DON’T let the rich impose limits based on wealth.

    If in the future , the recipe for the “” Cancer cure “” was copyrighted. And cost $1,000,000 to buy the cure.
    Should people who CAN’T aford it HAVE TO die ?

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    IF you can’t afford it, DON’T buy it.

    DON’T let the rich impose limits based on wealth.

    If in the future , the recipe for the “” Cancer cure “” was copyrighted. And cost $1,000,000 to buy the cure.
    Should people who CAN’T aford it HAVE TO die ?

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    NOT – won’t pay…….

    CAN’T PAY.

    $ELFISH RiCH BA$TARD$

  • ohhhh i

    Selfish ANTi-PiRACY fans that condemn the people who CAN’T afford it.

    Fukk YOU , YOU POOR BA$TARD…… DO WITHOUT.

    didn’t you hear me ?

    Fukk YOU , YOU POOR BA$TARD…… DO WITHOUT.

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    Fukk YOU , YOU POOR BA$TARD…… DO WITHOUT.

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    didn’t you hear me ?

    RiCH people….. you have to protect yourselves from the POOR Ba$tards who will steal everything.

    FUKK THEM……

    IF they can’t afford it…….

    LET THEM DiE.

  • Dude

    Shut UP. stop spamming.

  • ohhhh yeah

    Repeating is more foul than the attitude of the ANTi-PiRATE fan boys ? i i

    My comments are related to the discussions of this post.

    Hardly spamming…… get your facts right.

    World English Dictionary
    spamming (?spæm??) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]

    —n
    the sending of multiple unsolicited e-mails or text messages, usually for marketing purposes

    You ARE A TROLL…. why comment ?
    you are not contributing to the discussion. Are you ? troll

    By repeating… I was just making sure , the people who , hate people that Can’t afford to buy things , realised how childish and selfish they really are.

    Do you wan’t me to shut up because you dislike WHAT i said ? troll ?

    _____________
    troll definition

    n.
    an internet user who sends inflammatory or provocative messages designed to elicit negative responses or start a flame-war.

  • PhandroidsAreMorons

    LOL, Phandroids are idiots. Especially #3.

    Read this: http://www.pcworld.com/article/199845/smartphone_camera_battle_iphone_4_vs_the_android_army.html

    Now tell me how delicious that humble pie tastes.

  • Hey Mobs

    Apple’s products don’t get viruses, but they can be easily exploited. I fail to see a connection in here, but if you look close enough I think there’s an e in both viruses and exploited.

  • Name

    going to the apple store to jailbreak some shit :D

  • AndroidLoverAppleHater

    @John w/iPad:
    GT AN ARCHOS 9 IT HAS WINDOWS 7 AND FLASH!!! AND LOOKS LIKE AN IBAD

  • chris p

    im not a troll, i have no other aliases. i fully support sharing and bt. but while pirating isn`t “stealing” you are making a conscious decision to get a product in an unauthorized manner, and 90% of pirates never actually buy. excuse for trying to have a civilized discussion.

  • Lng0004

    Ok, piracy does hurt the developers. That part is true. But how do you explain Fruit ninja, Angry Birds and Doodle Jump still selling millions of copies? (Doodle Jump celebrated it’s 5000000th dl a while ago I believe).

    Bottom line, make quality apps and people will buy them regardless of piracy.

  • srchino

    What is a droid?

  • FxChiP

    Can’t afford/wouldn’t buy arguments are bullshit and here is why:

    If you are getting something of value for less than the stated/requested value, you have caused a loss for the requester of that value. It does not matter that you would not pay nor how much money you have; you have something of value that took resources to produce, and you have done nothing to help replenish those resources while you enjoy the product of those resources. Piracy is not an equivalent exchange; one party (the pirate) clearly benefits at the clear expense of the other party (the author). No matter how you look at this, one has gained, one has not, whereas in a normal, legal transaction, both parties have gained and lost. This is the core of how economics works.

    In short, there is at best a no-gain for the author; at worst, there is a loss of labor and other costs that are most certainly not being recouped by piracy of the product being enjoyed continuously for free.

  • Hakm

    Look here more app than hackulos http://www.iphone4g-pro.com

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  • dsq

    “But how do you explain Fruit ninja, Angry Birds and Doodle Jump still selling millions of copies?” – Because there’s still enough honest people out there?

    And now for something different:

    Why Dissident’s Arguments Are False Entitlement.

    1. “Most of the pirates who use our services do so because they simply cannot afford to purchase the applications.” – That is sad on a personal level, when someone actually spent ALL their money — like the actual rest of it — on an iPhone/iPod touch/iPad, and now they have to resort to desperate measures, but all sarcasm aside: Even if this were true, and the pirates were nothing but desperate people in need of apps, why does that matter? Since when does “need” justify theft? The point that it does not HURT anybody because they would not have bought the apps anyway is children’s logic for “you would’ve thrown half of the expensive steaks away anyway, so me STEALING one from the kitchen does not make a difference”. But it does. The restaurant decides it wants to sell steaks, and you steal them instead. You unilateraly change the market rules (if only by perpetuating the thought that you don’t have to pay for things if you stay in need forever). Now, if you’re actually an enemy of said market, say so, don’t pretend to play by the book.

    2. “These pirates typically do not “need” any particular application for free, they just want whatever application that can provide a certain level of entertainment for them.” – Words fail. The argument here is just: Let us take your code for free, because we want it, and oh, we don’t actually value your work anyway, so feck off. Can’t phrase that in a nicer way. The “no profits lost” argument here is, again, irrelevant.

    3. This argument is the “try the app” argument. This comes down to the weird sense of entitlement that in my view is at the core of this mess: You don’t decide if I can taste the steak, I take it without asking, chew it, and then pay you if I like it. That must be true for ALL steaks out there. This is really just idiotic. It is for Apple and the developers to decide if they want this to happen. If you argue otherwise, you have a strange entitlement similar to one to want to rule the world because you frickin well want to. There are signs that Apple wants to implement a try-the-app model, BUT IT IS ON A DEVELOPER OPT-IN BASIS for frak’s sake. Why should it be otherwise? You’re in the all-must-be-free-camp? Get an Android phone or write your own apps! Get free apps. I can’t belive I’m actually writing all this at this point, it’s that silly.

    4. “Piracy also helps to expose an application to the masses, much like music piracy helps artists and bands get more publicity.” – That does not make it right, does it now? Let Apple and the developers decide how they want to advertise the platform. If the incentive for App developers is so great, ASK THEM IF THEY WANT TO BE ON HACKULO.US. It’s all about choice, you say, so give developers some choice. Don’t claim to be the most altruistic of people and “only wanting to help” by forcing a decision on them.

    Bottom line: The thought that Dissident’s piece provokes is actually, “why does our current society succeed so badly at making people understand fair emuneration of work, choice on both sides of the market, choice to not get a certain product while accepting that there are certain TERMS that come with it.

    Continue doing your piraty stuff if you will, but don’t claim that everybody must realise that you and only you have the truth about it.

  • SquareWheel

    That was well written, but I have no trust for the admins of Hackulous. Puy0 and Kyek were not in it for money, they only wanted to help the user. Here is what Puy0 (the original author of Installous) has to say:

    - – -

    Hackulo.us *Has been* a nice community. The core staff has gone nuts at money making. Today they just consider members and even their moderators as puppets. I am really happy to have left them, what happened after Install0us was created is just proof of it.

    TDDebug / dissident > I have always been polite with you, but what a waste. Continue to bring down hackulo.us, people will eventually understand who you really are, a salesman/bullshitter. One sincere advice, you really need a psychotherapist. (Our good friend venusanann was right).

    - – -

    Both Puy0 and Kyek left the scene for legal reasons and because they were sick of the corrupt Hackulous administration. For the record, I have nothing against AppTrackr or what they are trying to do. I do have a problem with them trying to exploit their users though.

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  • led02

    “Appulous, Installous, and eventually apptrackr, were created purely for trialing purposes.” — if that’s true, why didn’t you just add some kind of timeout to your tool? It wouldn’t be that hard to at least inform the user that he is “trying” an App since let’s say 2 week and he is going to be a pirate from now on. Or even just uninstallous the App again…

  • KillerTJK

    I agree with the article, that it is not purely piracy. I do realize that there are some people who want to jailbreak for piracy only, but that is their nature.
    As an example of what I’m saying is the recent event (a day ago), which I encouraged one of my friends to do. Well, he needed a SIP client to make international calls. While he had 3G and 3GS, there was a free application in the Cydia called Siphon, but this free client didn’t work for the iPhone 4 (apparently the dev of the app quit), so he had to do something to be able to use a SIP client on his iDevice. So, what I did was, I went to apptrackr and downloaded the Softphone app from Acrobits, and let him use it for about a week on my iDevice (not iPhone 4). After he saw the functionality and the interface was good for him he bought it yesterday.

    As can be read from above, not all of the people who use the cracked apps use it for pirating intentions.

    I did like this for a non-apple store app from Cydia too. The My-Wi app, which let’s you tether your iDevice internet coonection.

    I hope that people (who shout that people at hackulous community are all pirates) will understand the fact that there are always people who give a bad face for something, but there are afew other people who support the ideology of the certain things. And to be honest, I think that all this have to do is with the person’s morals.

    P.S. If you wonder if I kept the app, then YES, i did, but as I have 3GS I use the Siphon form cydia, which is free.

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  • KabutoCub

    Ok, first of all, some dude said something like “Stop Jailbreaking, stop the scene”… That’s just stupid, and its a simplistic, ignorant statement.

    Second of all… Hey FANDroids… go spam some other Droid/Android related article. THANKS.

    Third of all… I have used cracked Apps in the past. Right now I don’t have any installed, but I have, so I can’t say there is no value to doing it, but I CAN’T say its completely right and justified. I HAVE done it mostly as try-before-you-buy… MANY of my current legitimately owned apps where once cracked apps on my phone. I hate “lite” versions… I hate downloading useless, crippled software that I will end up deleting anyway. I also hate paying ridiculous amounts of money for apps that are NOT worth it. So I download them from Installous, experience the FULL version of whatever app, and I decide if I want to own it. There are clear advantages to owning an app, such as having the latest version and being able to get updates.

    Apple needs some other system to let people try an app that is fully functional, such as timed trials.

  • Genius

    in reponse to one of the comment about antroid steroid being better and 52% free. yh sure maybe when andoiapps hit the 242,000 mark they might have less than the 23% free apps apple has. just sayin and what’s the big deal with taking pictures with your phone in the dark. yh sure dude get a freaking rea;l camera cameras on phone is just a fn novelty nothig serious. the battery comment…well no comment mr mechanic i like to get under the hood and fix it. embrace tehnology…embrace apple. give apple a damn hug:P

  • FxChiP

    To the obviously-pirate slammer who constantly shouts “DO WITHOUT” and “DIE IF YOU CAN’T AFFORD IT” as if they’re actually anti-pirate slogans or some retarded shit:

    There is a huge and obvious difference between a product that saves lives — like a cancer cure — and a piece of software primarily used for entertainment. There is also a huge moral difference between stealing a necessity due to lack of funds and stealing/copying a luxury/”frivolous” item. Stealing a necessity if you need it and can’t have it by normally acceptable means is basic survival; stealing a luxury item that you can’t have by normally acceptable means is still morally wrong since it has nothing at all to do with your personal survival, just your ego and sense of entitlement.

    Just saying.

  • Monox

    I have been reading through these comments and laughing my head off. I personally am an PAID apple developer, (that’s right, I paid apple 100 bucks to work for myself) and I have 2 jailbroken iPhone’s. I think you can justify anything whether you are on either side, but I personally think a LOT (not all), but a LOT of “pirates” just don’t look at the big picture. You spend an average of $3.00 for a soda everyday! Developers (like me) spend weeks and months making apps that are worth 1 dollar to every F**king person on this planet. I think everyone has an excuse to put out there, whether it is “evaluation”, “no money”, or “lazy” but people really need to start getting their heads on straight instead of thinking that paying a whole BUCK for an app isn’t worth it and they should go spend 15 min downloading a cracked version. Once again, everything can be justified, but most apps on the app store were made by people who spent a lot of time making something that was worth less than a average soda….

  • Nighttime

    This is just bullshit. The people who can’t afford it cry me a river. You can afford a 200 to 700 hundred dollar idevice can’t afford 0.99 cents seriously if they can’t afford it they shouldn’t have it. That’s not exclusivity or elitist that’s simple fact. You can’t buy a mansion you won’t live in a mansion you don’t walk into a five star restaurant eat then leave with out paying let alone a piss poor dinner. The fact of the matter is the food had to be bought from a person, the food is delivered by a person, and the food is prepared by a person. You don’t hurt apple by pirating software. Apple has already profited and will continue to profit off of sale of an idevice. You only hurt the developers and give them no incentive to continue to improve their product. For those people who will never buy yours or any app then they just should have yours or any app. For those who say they can’t afford 0.99 to buy an app after they spent upto 700.00 on an idevice you shouldn’t have any app or for that matter an idevice. Go back to the motorola clam shell and enjoy tetris or bejeweled. I live in NYC US a pack of cigarettes cost $12.84 in the surrounding borroughs and $15.84 in manhattan you can’t afford my ass. The fact is it cost developers like myself educational fees + the price of a Mac (1500.00 plus) dev program starting at $99.00 + books and reference materials listing in the hundreds & uncountable hours of studying training planning writing compiling debugging. I’ll admit that the AppStore needs a refund system but this assface acts like that gives pirates any entitlement. Well entitlement has a price and it starts at 0.99 cents. Incidently anyone using iBooks enjoying the new PDF features can thank me. I’ve been writing apple every week and will continue to do so until iBooks works the way it should. I will not rest until PDFs can be highlight, have a dictionary and we get the same page flips as ePubs. I suggest you all do the same with the apps you claim to hate.

  • Nighttime

    You forget jailbreaking didn’t happen to free your device from the evil grips of apple. It happened because some kid bought an iPhone and realized after buying it that it didn’t work for tmobile. That’s it. No supperior or noble goal. The kid just wanted to stay with tmobile.

  • Nighttime

    Can’t afford it seriously 0.99 cents. As a programmer/developer I had to pay thousands for my education + 1500.00 plus for a make 699.99 for iPhone + 99.99 to get into the dev program + hundreds on books and reference material and countless hours of planning writing compiling debugging. Entitlement has a price and it starts at 0.99 cents even for the droid. Go back to a motorola clam shell phone for the guy screaming about programmers getting a new career needs to realize thatbif we did you would quite literally have nothing. For those who weren’t goin to buy regardless then you never were entitled to anything. For those that don’t like the apps outthere spend the years that it took us to learn to code then do it yourself. I live in NYC a pack of cigarettes ranges from 12.84 to 15.84 don’t cry about 0.99 cents. I’m a very skilled lock picker and can pick a standard pin & tumbler lock within 2-3 seconds anybody want to post their addresses so that I can try all of your stuff to see if I like it (you’ll never get it back). Copyright means that you purchase the right to use abiding by a set of rules and this guys whole article is just bs

  • Anonymous

    Stev0 if you want you car tricked out you would have to buy or make the parts what you’re talking about is stealing the parts. The post office lost alot of employees because of

    1. Competition within the industry
    2. Subpar service
    3. Mismanagement of funds within Our government
    4. The invention of email.

    If we debs stop making software you wouldn’t have anything to put on your phone. There would be no jailbreak because the name says it all iPhone”dev”team in fact there would be no iPhone,tv, car etc a programmers job is more secure than a dr. Lawyer, politician etc because there’s alway going to be a need for stuff and a programmer has to program it. Tricking out a car. Go upto a police cruiser take the tires and tell the cops your taking them to trick out your car. See what response that gets you. Your stealing then you all cry when cats like geohot don’t want to make anymore jailbreaks and you feel like they have to jailbreak it just because you bought an iPhone. Jailbreaking maybe legal that is true but software piracy is not and that is what the discussion is about. Another point is jailbreaking is legal but there is no law against apple increasing security and patching up holes. Sooner or later it will be locked for good. I can just see the cry babies now “I bought an iphone but now I can’t steal any more boo hoo hoo”

  • Tyrant

    Its so funny to read most of this posts, but for most of you who earn thousands of dollars its easy to talk, but for example if u live in some country like like portugal with a salary of 500usd and a rent of aprox. 400usd maybe that dollar would make some diference, and for some ignorants jailbreak allowed me to have an iphone for a reasonable price since i was able to unlock it to vodafone, not everyone makes piracy to steal

  • Anarchy

    Instead of your hipocrisy, you really should think before talk, it true stealing will always be stealing, but nobody is a saint, but why dont you say that the big corporations are stealling you everyday, its easy to speak of this trivial acts no? its true tha piracy harms the developers but its a bigger truth that it makes the apple sell more iphones…
    Some say that bla bla bla i payed millions to graduate in development and they steal my apps, at least you coul afford to graduate saddly you choosed the wrong platform bla bla bla
    Do you know why playstation3 lost most of its followers? Because xbox was easyer to hack….

  • Gazeddy

    I use hackulous and have bought many of the apps before i actually “pirated” because they were only 59p and thought might as well just buy it. But the bigger apps Inc tomtom stayed for the first use because I didn’t like them. Now what’s the moral difference between trying on my device that is setup how I like it or trying it on apples device in store where it’s not a true representation of how it will behave for me. And £ 80 was just to much for a laggy bug ridden app

  • Nighttime

    After the 911 I lost my job and had to take a job as a direct care worker cleaning up old peoples rumps for a living. My app developing I do on the side. I don’t even make enough to call it a supplemental income. So no I don’t make thousands. This is what caused the recession in the first place. If you cant afford it dont buy it. Apple doesn’t care because apple is still making money. So your not hurting apple you hurt the devs. Simple solution educate yourselves and make you own apps the is the true meaning of. Open source not free4all. I’m sure dissident has some legal action coming his way.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Droid fans: The iPhone 4 is capable of Native Flash thanks to comex and theplanetbeing is porting over the Android OS. If I wait a while, the iPhone 4 will be better.

    Compared to the Evo 4G, here’s what I think:

    iOS + Android + 3G > Android + 4G + Better Camera.

    Btw, there’s no 4G connection in my region yet :P I do wish Sprint 4G did have SIMs though D:

  • Nighttime

    Ps3 doesn’t enjoy the following that xbox does for very simple reasons. Xbox 360 supports a native 1080p resolution while the ps3 only supports 720p. Xbox came out first and hyped up throughout there microsoft network (which is quite extensive) infect till just the recent up you were able to install Linux on the ps3. The only reason to hack a game system is to run home brew & region unlocking. Same reasoning to jailbreak your iPhone is to run home brew, to allow an alternate selling market (cydia) & to unlock you region to be able to use the phone on other carriers but all this system does is let you steal and no amount of reasoning is going to justify it. Not being able to afford something should motivate us all to get into a possition where we can afford it, and it doesn’t give any of us the licence to steal regardless of the circumstances. If you cant afford 0.99 then you shouldn’t have an iPhone. Whe are all trying to make a living and this fake try before you buy is just an easy way to steal from all of us. Someone said they didn’t like lite versions well we make lite version so that you get the to experience the app without compromising the full app but if your only interested in the full app then chances are your only interest in pirating. Hackulous is making money from all of you hand over fist while from us. He profits off of our hard work and hides it under noble intent and when this all goes down he’ll pay but you’ll a suffer for it rulings can be overturned and appealed.

  • tyrany

    what you say is a piece of crap, you are mixing concepts in your idealistic mind, are you saying because i was unlucky to be born healthy that i cant have the same previlege of the others? for instance if i never intended to buy an app and hack it instead how can you say that im making you loose money ? its not like if i steal you car, im not taking the property from you, its just a copy not the program itself, and if you do good apps instead of sh*t it would sell even with piracy

  • Nighttime

    The one guy throughout this entire argument that keeps saying he steals the app and that’s that consistently says that he pirates and thats that also made the comment that his trial never ends. He is the most honest person here. The car you own is a copy of the original car it was based on. To say you didn’t take the original app is like saying I only stole a copy of a car and not the original. If you want to try the lite version then go ahead and buy or delete at your discretion but, to say that if it were good your apps would still sell. Why? If I could just download the app for free without anyone knowing it. Most of the arguments on this article is that if out of 18,000 people who downloaded the app only 200 paid for it we should be greatful. How does that make any sense when the developer is cut out of 17,800 downloads and dissident is making the profit from the 17,800 downloads. Oh and he is making a profit believe me. But don’t worry because apple makes a profit on new iPhone sales. That has nothing to do with us, apple doesn’t share it’s profits with us. If you want to try before you buy that’s fine use the lite version, if there is no lite version request it. Again what’s going to happen is iPhonedevteam will stop jailbreak just like geohot did apple will eventually plug all of the holes which they have a right to do until eventually people won’t be able to jailbreak reguardless of whether it’s legal to jailbreak and you all will no longer be able to steal.

  • Nighttime

    The one guy throughout this entire argument that keeps saying he steals the app and that’s that consistently says that he pirates and thats that also made the comment that his trial never ends. He is the most honest person here. The car you own is a copy of the original car it was based on. To say you didn’t take the original app is like saying I only stole a copy of a car and not the original. If you want to try the lite version then go ahead and buy or delete at your discretion but, to say that if it were good your apps would still sell. Why? If I could just download the app for free without anyone knowing it. Most of the arguments on this article is that if out of 18,000 people who downloaded the app only 200 paid for it we should be greatful. How does that make any sense when the developer is cut out of 17,800 downloads and dissident is making the profit from the 17,800 downloads. Oh and he is making a profit believe me. But don’t worry because apple makes a profit on new iPhone sales. That has nothing to do with us, apple doesn’t share it’s profits with us. If you want to try before you buy that’s fine use the lite version, if there is no lite version request it. Again what’s going to happen is iPhonedevteam will stop jailbreak just like geohot and just like darkalex in the psp scene did. apple will eventually plug all of the holes which they have a right to do until eventually people won’t be able to jailbreak reguardless of whether it’s legal to jailbreak and you all will no longer be able to steal. And to answer your previous question in the AppStore you pay when you download
    You pay at that point unless your downloading a light version. You wouldn’t be able to hack it when getting it from a legal distribution point (AppStore) and if you had no intention of buying it dont download it. this venue does nothing for the sales and advertising of our app all it does is steal from us and if dissident had any noble intentions he would ask us if we wanted to be on his service, pay us usage rights and royalty fees like most p2p applications to date do. You want to beat down corporation yet you feed apple and hackulous and other venues like it who completely clout us out and neither apple or hackulous through us a cent. You want better apps demand them don’t steal them.

  • Anon

    It’s interesting how many of the comments here say “Make a stricter approval process” when many developers, etc. lament the fact that the approval process takes much too long and is much too stringent (makes pushing out updates a huge PITA). Perhaps we should be telling Apple to IMPROVE its screening process for applications? They certainly seem to have the resources, and stopping shitty applications right at the source, while expediting updates to well-known or well-developed apps, trusted apps, etc. seems to me to be the way to go.

  • Tyrany

    I could argue with you all the time that you want and bla bla bla, you have your ideas and i have mine, but not everyone mekes jailbreak for hack apps, i jailbreaked mine so i could use an american iphone here since they are much cheaper in the usa, you are free to think what you want but not all networks make good prices like At&t and our salaries are not that good, i know thats not your problem but everyone have to remember that not all jailbreakers are pirates, you cannot make us pay because someone wants to hack apps thats their problem not ours…

  • Hate_breed

    Piracy is wrong but like someone says you cannot compare tangible goods with software if i steal a tangible good you cannot seel it because you loose property of it but if i steal software you are still able to sell it because you still have the property of it and if people really like your job they’ll buy it regardless of it being hacked or not,(like doodlejump and much others), yeah but you can say that that dont give the right to hack it, but thats a moral subject that everyone has to choose, like tyrany said not everyone are thieves most just want a better phone and so on… your problem its not the hackers but its more like a lack of comunication with apple, they make more profit with hacking you just have to make a stand and make a better sistem with them cut some prices, make better apps, a more reasonable market, another ways of payment ( you cannot ask a kid to have a credit card or paypall they are just kids no? remember that most of the world societies are not so free like usa ) i could make a bigger list but the problem is two sidded we cannot be so sttuborn

  • Tyrany

    Nighttime if you want to stop piracy stop the sites that make them not the people that honestly create jaillbreaks so we can our phones freely and without network restrictions…

  • drsgfire

    I think you should change this in your article.

    “Of course, free pirate copies of material otherwise available from the App Store also become available, largely through the Installous app which is installed via Cydia, a piece of software included in the jailbreak package.”

    The installous package does not come included with cydia and to say it does is hurting the jailbreak community. The hackulous source must be added manually first to cydia and only then can you download the installuos package.

  • scott

    although I have kept some more expensive apps, I have also gone beck and paid for ones that I tried through hackulous. It is for sure that 90 percent of the applications did not meet my standards and so I am thankful I was able to try it first.

  • scott

    Forgot to add, this was an Excellent article, I am struggling on how to explain to my 10 year old how using programs like hackulous may be technically illegal, it is still moral if you pay for what you keep.

  • scott

    One more thing……I have taken the position that if I buy the app for the iPhone then I should have rights to all incarnations of the app……it irks me to see them charging more for the same software for my iPad……it is just a big iPod touch….nothing new here especially since they have to scale the apps anyway for the retina display

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  • everyone

    Can apple see if you have cracked apps on itunes or can they see apps that you did not buy. I have been trying to find this out for some time now.

  • Nighttime

    Tyrany I am not trying to stop jailbreaking. Jailbreaking allows me to us a different sim card when I travel and unlock or modify to access great features. My problem is that people will always will always equate jailbreaking with piracy Thanx to groups like hackulous. Even @planetbeing is selling an app on cydia called signal to continue funding his work. Would you steal from him after he work so hard to give us a jailbreak. People keep commenting on how there just taking a copy and that there is no harm. And how if they never intended to pay what’s the harm if they stole it. Well let me give you a break down.

    Apple charges devs $99.99 to become a dev

    I put an app on the AppStore and sell it for 0.99. I don’t make 0.99 I make 0.69 as apple gets 30% of each transaction.

    Now for a new scenario. I make a free app an use iAds I need about thirty clicks to make 0.99 but I don’t make 0.99 I actually make 0.59 as apple takes 40% of the transaction seems fair (hell no! You do the work they make the money)

    Each download of a “paid” app (reguardless of intent to pay) represents a transaction of let’s say 0.99 cents. Now the paid app has been downloaded (transactions) 10,000 times, out of 10,000 transactions (downloads) only 200 were legit AppStore purchases means that 9,800 transactions are lost revenue. That translates to 9,702 or 6,791.40 (after apple steals from me) that I will never see. Instead what I make from legit sale on the app store is 198.00 and after apple takes it 30% I’m left with 138.00 which means apple won’t pay me.

    I know I’m not going to convince anyone to stop pirating as long as someone can say look at what my phone can do but, at least you all need to understand that dissident isn’t helping us he is hurting us for his own selfish gain. And remember that everything you buy is a copy of the original, the clothes you buy are copies, your watch, your books, your car etc. Fair enumeration of value. Surely anyone can save up to buy a 10.00 iTunes card. And simply when you buy an app you review should never be this is stupid as you probably knew it was stupid before you bought it but, rather you review should always contain “this is how it can be better” we devs are willing to work with you to make the product work for you.

    Summary:
    jailbreaking good
    Piracy bad
    And fire.

  • BPG

    I understand that by typing this I cross the threshold into bitter, grumpy old man territory well before my 40s, but the “logic” shown in this discussion is laughable. The argument that since people can’t afford it so they should just take it is exactly the mentality that is killing this country, my god. I want it so I get it. I’m sorry that teenagers can’t afford lots of things. That’s kind of the incentive to go to school and get a career so you can afford shit like apps. Plus, how cash strapped can you be if you’re carrying a cell phone which costs a f’ing hondo a month to have. If you’re using it as a try first thing, fine. However I know about 20 people who use this and not one has ever bought something they’ve tried. Their mantra/selling point is, “YOU DON’T HAVE TO PAY!!!”. Just because it’s digital doesn’t make it any less unethical. Then the other side of this is, well you’re hurting people…..just not that much. You’re still hurting the people who are creating it! That’s like me using the logic of, “People think I kicked you in the nuts, but I really just slapped you in the face. See, not nearly as bad so that’s ok!!” I love jailbreaking, but it’s the people stealing apps that give Lord Jobs and the anti-jailbreaking community a righteous argument against it. Too bad. If you’re going to steal, fine that’s your choice. Don’t try to rationalize it though.

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