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Hotfile As Bad As Megaupload, MPAA Tells Court

The MPAA is moving full steam ahead in their ongoing battle with file-hosting service Hotfile. Pointing to the criminal investigation against Megaupload, the movie studios are asking for a summary judgement against Hotfile, a development which would effectively shut down the site. The MPAA argues that Hotfile is a piracy haven where more than 90% of all downloads are copyright infringing.

hotfileAs one of the ten largest file-sharing sites on the Internet, Hotfile has become a prime target for Hollywood.

February last year the inevitable happened when the MPAA filed a lawsuit against the file-hosting service. Since then there have been dozens of court filings and Hotfile even sued MPAA member Warner Bros. right back for allegedly abusing its copyright takedown tools.

This week the MPAA took an important step by filing a motion for summary judgment at a US District Court in Florida. With this move the movie studios hope to avoid a lengthy trial and have Hotfile shut down as quickly as possible.

In court papers Hotfile is described as a service built around copyright infringement. The movie studios use the recent indictment against Megaupload as leverage and argue that both services are identical.

“Hotfile’s business model is indistinguishable from that of the website Megaupload, which recently was indicted criminally for engaging in the very same conduct as Hotfile. Defendants even admit that they formed Hotfile ‘to compete with’ Megaupload.”

The MPAA further highlights similarities with other file-sharing services that have lost legal battles in US courts.

“Hotfile is responsible for billions of infringing downloads of copyrighted works, including plaintiffs’ valuable motion picture and television properties. As with other adjudicated pirate services that came before it, from Napster and Grokster to Isohunt and Limewire, Hotfile exists to profit from copyright infringement,” they write.

“More than 90% of the files downloaded from Hotfile are copyright infringing, and nearly every Hotfile user is engaged in copyright infringement.”

The latter statistic comes from research conducted by University of Pennsylvania professor Richard Waterman on behalf of the movie studios. Waterman concluded that 90.2% of all daily downloads on Hotfile are infringing, opposed to 5.3% that are clearly non-infringing.

Aside from pointing out the massive infringement on Hotfile, the crux of the case is whether the file-hoster is protected under the DMCA’s safe-harbor provision. According to the MPAA this is not the case.

Among other things, the studios point out that Hotfile previously failed to disconnect repeat infringers and that Hotfile employees actively induced copyright infringement. Not meeting these requirements means they have no right to safe-harbor protection.

The MPAA’s motion is supported by a slew of exhibits ranging from internal emails where Hotfile staff assist users with downloading infringing files, to forum discussions about the affiliate program, and testimonies from anti-piracy chiefs at the movie studios.

When combined, all evidence leads the MPAA to conclude that Hotfile should be shut down and the studios awarded damages.

Whatever the outcome, the case is expected to set an important precedent for the future of similar cloud hosting services that operate in the United States.

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  • waffle waffle

    Pretty soon no one is going to bother using US based domains, or have very much to do with the US at all internet wise. ICE and DoJ seizures of foreign owned web sites puts the shits up the rest of the world and it was nice to see Putin come out and say the US should not be in control of the Internets, the UN should be.

    If China can’t censor the web with millions of censors, what hope does the US Gov’t think they can do. Win another war on drugs? Obesity? Any guerrilla army? The Internets?

    Idiots.

    • Anonymous

      no single country or group of countries should be in control of the internet at all. it should be left as it always has been, FREE!

      • Anon

        Free? Network access sets me back about $40 a month.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000617943487 Máté Bikfalvi

          Not free as in free pancakes silly, free as in freedom,

        • Fredrika

          > “Free? Network access sets me back about $40 a month.”

          You have misread what was written. He was not speaking of the price for a service, such as an Internet connection, he was speaking of the ability to disrupt the transference of information between two users that already has access to such services, and that when they do, they should be able to freely transfer information between each other, which in fact is a human right, according to §19 in the UN charter of Human Rights.

          To put a company’s possibility to profit through a legislative monopoly, a monopoly that intrudes into peoples property, as more important than human rights, as in this case with Mpaa, is textbook fascism, but some people, and propaganda machines as Mpaa and Riaa, continuously openly advocate fascism without any concerns, on behalf of their North American employers.

        • Alux

          You don’t pay for the internet, you pay to connect to your ISPs network which in turn connects through the internet to other servers.

        • Neutron

          When people start claiming US hollyweird stuff is somehow more “a human right” like meds, clean water or an safe living environment, then its time that this “Empire” should really burn down.

          Hollyweird exists because they can embezzle billions of dollars out of extremely bored brain dead existences. Just not paying for it or asking it to be free sounds like a junkie who didn’t like his druglord anymore.

        • Fredrika

          > “When people start claiming US hollyweird stuff is somehow more “a human right” like meds, clean water or an safe living environment, then its time that this “Empire” should really burn down.”

          First of all, it’s not clear what you mean with “US hollyweird stuff”, but rest assured, no one claims “US hollyweird stuff” is a human right. However, §19 in the Universal declaration of Human Rights clearly stipulates what is a human right:

          > “Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers“.

          That is an exact description of filesharing, which is that person A, the uploader, imparts information to everyone who wants it, of what pattern his physical property holds, that he owns, and then person B, the downloader, receives this information and instructs his physical property to manufacture a copy of person A’s property. Since it is a human right, the government is not allowed to with any judiciary means obstruct such transference of information.

          > “Hollyweird exists because they can embezzle billions of dollars out of extremely bored brain dead existences. Just not paying for it or asking it to be free sounds like a junkie who didn’t like his druglord anymore.”

          There’s nothing to pay for when you manufacture something with your own property that you already own, as people filesharing does. The price can never be anything else than free. You do no need to ask for that price, it’s inherent and it’s not up for discussion. Not understanding this fact might depend on drug use, but it might also depend on other things, such as usual plain ignorance, or trolling, maybe paid such.

        • MadAsASnake

          @Neutron
          If they are SO desperate for people to not see it they should not promote it so heavily and keep it to themselves.

        • Neutron

          “Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers”.

          I don’t see anything there that is says it has to be _for free_.
          I also don’t see anything about “big robots destroying New York” is limited by any frontier. Nobody is hindering you paying $15 for the blu ray.

          Who is limit your expression to give someone else the big robots and which is the “big opinion” you give with the file? Is there a text added to your upload where you deconstruct the robots destroying New York? Where is this text? Can I read it? I see no opinions in any download anywhere. Maybe you can point me to the mass opinions shared “with the media” you are referring, for example on TPB?

          You are constructing, as many others, a egoistic _ hard consumerism based_ world view that just “fits” your lifestyle – not the other way round. You are not discussing movies or music or the content thereof, and such, posting texts or movies on sites. Nobody is hindering you doing it, and then throwing around such big words seem to impress some people who think “yes! I have 20 TB with stuff here, its a…human right!! Yes! Thats the solution for me as consumerist whore! ”

          No its not. As people say: you are what you eat, you can extend that to “you are what you consume”. If the US digital media “feces” are so dear to your heart than let it be. There is no need to construct a world view – and still shooting jabs below the waist line when someone is questioning it.

          Whats next? Quoting the christian bible and constructing, why you are entitled to “big robots destroying new york” because its written there?

      • OldTimer

        The US has always been in control, so no, it certainly shouldn’t be left as it is at all.

      • Goest

        without a governing body, would the internet exist?

    • Mwhahaha

      The US should start a war on something they’re sure to beat.

      Maybe disabled kittens or something.

      • Chris Dodd

        iCloud as bad as megaupload

        Microsoft SkyDrive as bad as megaupload

        MyPC Backup as bad as megaupload

        Google Cloud as bad as megaupload

        Dropbox as bad as megaupload

        fuuukkkkkkk itttt I hate the internet.

        torrentfreakers
        Y U NO LIKE OUR OLD BUSINESS MODELS ?

      • ghomp

        has the US ever won any war ever?

        • Holyjeeziwantedtolickem

          without the US, you would all be speaking german over your nightly jew-burning ritual before bedtime. lets shit on an entire society because 2 companies decide to sue people. typical ignorance of basement-dwellers. also, all of the filesharing site owners have been raided by their own country’s police force

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N47BKIQ74F5DGX4BXJMKBF37LI Mike

          Holyjeeziwantedtolickem…..Funny you should mention the jews since its THEM that are trying to communise the world.

    • Anonymous

      My biggest fear is the changing of the 13 main DNS servers on the web. That really scares me.

      If the MPAA get their hands on those servers, who know what they will do….

    • Anonymous

      If I had a ton of money and wanted to invest in Computers by building a Company I would build that Company in a Foreign Land not in my homeland.
      USA is not the USA I grew up in.It is turning into the dreaded 1984.And it is owned by the greedy Politicians and their Corporate Masters.
      Fuck You MPAA !!
      And you too ICE.

      • MadocComadrin

        Psst, if it’s owned by corporations, it inherently CAN’T be 1984; rather, a cyberpunk setting. Please learn to distinguish your distopias. :P

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N47BKIQ74F5DGX4BXJMKBF37LI Mike

      You really think the UN would be a good place to govern the internet? If so you had better do your homework before bragging that would be a good thing.

  • Steve

    Go Hotfile. I mean, stay.

  • Anonymous

    The court isn’t even DONE with MegaUpload and they’re asking for a SUMMARY judgment against Hotfile?

    The arrogance here by the studios is killing me….

    • Anyone

      they just know which judges they already paid off

    • MadAsASnake

      Typical of the Due Process abuses these clowns try. At the very least these issues need to be tested in a court. An indictment is not a court test in any way. A summary judgement is what you ask for where there are no contentious legal issues and clarity over the facts of the case. Summary must be denied in this case.

      • another sneaky precedent

        Due Process is not Judicial Process.

        The Corporate Controlled Government just made that shit up this week.
        (of course blaming terrorism as the reason)

        Wonder….. who is now going to use that ???? hmm

    • Anonymous

      Boycott them !!!
      Do not ever let them near your wallet again.

  • http://twitter.com/happyizpunjai happy

    Putin all the way crunk up. US thinks it can do any thing they want and try to pretend to play nice then hurt them where it hurts the most. Like Iraq, no weapon of mass destruction but plenty of oil. US is now working to get Iran to mess up so it has an excuses to attack them

    • Rohe

      Not true. In Afghanistan, the Chinese have already secured 20% of the resources, the Russians and the Turks wants another 40%. In Iran, the Turks, the Russians and the Japanese already secured over 40% of the _future_ oil for themselves.

      Its looking more and more that the US just went off to some sort of religious madness crusade; with some 1000s US soldiers dead, some 10.000 (physically) crippled for life and 100.000s of Iraki civilians bombed away.

      FOR ZILCH. Nada. Nothing. The NY Times had an article about it.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Well, the people in power try to bullshit that it is all about getting ‘dictators’ out of power. But I will be blunt: As long as a dictator keeps his fingers out of my private life (includes religion and ‘morality’) and my job, I couldn’t care less if even the United States had a ‘dictator’.

        In fact, I hate to say it, but the United States system of elected officials hasn’t been working too well for the last 20 years or so.

      • y u change the subject

        It’s true…. Israel have told America to.

        The Israeli people don’t want it and criticize the extremist Israeli government.
        American poloticians pander to extremist Israeli government.
        I hope I am wrong. But .
        looks like a duck trying to start a war with Iran…… probably is that.

  • TheS4ndm4n

    Yes, lets take down these cyberlocker sites. That will stop piracy.
    Just like prohabition stopped alcohol.

    • Neutron

      I never heard anything about people wanting to steal alcohol in masses?
      You can’t compare digital good with real goods. One thing has demand and is paid for. In digital land, its more like an paradox: we want you to go bankrupt, but we would like you to continue. Nobody knows how to do that (besides having stupid ‘lowlifes’ pay for you), but this is an completely another topic about “supposed” different types of Humans – those who know and the sheeps.

      • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

        There is so much stupid here…I don’t know where to start.

      • Neutron

        At least you had the decency to admit your limits.

        Some postings down everybody is claiming “piracy is not stealing” and five minutes later the argument is “valid” when it fits in an absurd pseudo argumentation. It would be nice if someone at least keep “their” ridiculous facts straight. I can accept fringe believes, but not if they contradict themselves.

        • puddipuddi

          ‘we want you to go bankrupt, but we would like you to continue’

          You don’t seem to understand. We want the corporations to go bankrupt, but we want the brilliant and creative minds to continue (except we want to pay them instead).

          The people that make the entertainment are getting screwed. This is especially the case with musicians, who make basically nothing from record sales.

          I want to pay a human being for their creations, not a talentless corporation that lobbies against my freedomes. BECAUSE FUCK YOU THATS WHY.

        • MadAsASnake

          Copying is not stealing. It may (OR MAY NOT) be copyright infringement

        • Pmvfjxvp

          No, it just means your stupidity is unlimited, silly :D

        • Neutron

          So, why are then those people who produce for Bittorrent then downloaded
          3 million times, but don’t make a fricken DIME per download?

          I understand. All talk, no _action_ => http://vodo.net/pioneerone

        • Fredrika

          The reason for this answer being posted here in the wrong place is because you chose to post your answer directed at me to Anon instead of to me, which you could have done through your Disqus Dashboard. In the future, try to post reply’s to the correct person. That always possible when someone has answered to you.

          Link to the comment replied to:

          http://torrentfreak.com/hotfile-as-bad-megaupload-mpaa-tells-court-120307/#comment-461253730

          > “I don’t see anything there that is says it has to be _for free_.”

          First of all i have never claimed anything about the human rights mentioning prizes for things retailers sell. It only mentions what constitutes human rights, as in things the government isn’t allowed to interfere with or deny citizens, as in the transference of information between people, as in P2P-filesharing or access to sites on Internet.

          Secondly, as i explained to you in my previous post, the price can never be anything else than free when two people connect to each other and share information between each other, or if you manufacture a copy with your own property, as people filesharing does. The price is not up for discussion. It is free.

          > “Who is limit your expression to give someone else the big robots and which is the “big opinion” you give with the file?”

          You seem to have missed that §19 does not only cover opinion, but also information.

          > “..and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.”

          Because of your inability to properly read what §19 in the Human Rights says regarding the transference of information, most of what you wrote afterwards about opinions was completely irrelevant.

          > “Nobody is hindering you doing it, and then throwing around such big words seem to impress some people who think “yes! I have 20 TB with stuff here, its a…human right!!”

          I never claimed that?

          > “If the US digital media..//..are so dear to your heart than let it be.”

          Why should one restrain from something one appreciates? That makes no sense in this case.

          > “Whats next? Quoting the christian bible and constructing, why you are entitled to “big robots destroying new york” because its written there?”

          I’m not sure what you mean with this, but considering entitlement, rest assured people will always feel entitled to their own property, that they own, and if they wish to manufacture copies with their property, they will do so, which they have done for the last 400 years, and no copyright monopoly in the world will be able to stop that.

          Because of technological advancements it’s now actually possible to do so in an absolute unstoppable way, with F2F, so you can also rest assured that filesharing will continue to grow over the next couple of years, and the possibility for rights holders to go after people filesharing using F2F simply does not exist, so pretty soon there will be an end to all this meaningless resource waste with extortion schemes, lawsuits, trials and demand for harder legislation.

          Through technology the filesharing community won a final victory that can not be overturned by any law or technical countermeasure, other then shutting down Internet all together. And even then it’s very easy to build a P2P-Internet that routes through every wireless router on earth, completely independent of ISP’s.

      • guest

        Copying is not stealing.

        • Tom

          Just keep on telling yourself that.

        • MadAsASnake

          @Tom

          Copying is not stealing. It may (OR MAY NOT) be copyright infringement
          Copying is not stealing. It may (OR MAY NOT) be copyright infringement
          Copying is not stealing. It may (OR MAY NOT) be copyright infringement
          Copying is not stealing. It may (OR MAY NOT) be copyright infringement
          Copying is not stealing. It may (OR MAY NOT) be copyright infringement
          Copying is not stealing. It may (OR MAY NOT) be copyright infringement

        • fact v propaganda

          @TOM

          Not only are we telling ourselves that. We are TELLING THE WORLD

          “COPYING IS NOT STEALING. UNLIMITED COPIES ARE WORTHLESS”

          bye bye Tom

        • Tom

          The world isn’t listening to you.

        • Tom

          Copying can be stealing according to the definition of Data Theft. And theft doesn’t always require a physical item to be taken as defined by both Data Theft and Theft of Service. Bearing this in mind I would like to see your explanation that copying can’t be seen in moral terms as stealing.

          “Data Theft
          Data theft is, quite simply, the unauthorized copying or removal of confidential information from a business or other large enterprise. It can take the form of ID-related theft (the theft of customer records) or the theft of a company’s proprietary information or intellectual property.

          http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1220308

        • MadAsASnake

          @Tom
          If they want it to be confidential then they shouldn’t be selling it. The “Data Theft” definition you use is for identity theft and corporate espionage (trade secrets). Movies and Music are no longer trade secrets once they have been released

        • Guest

          @Tom The 99% isn’t listening to you.

        • Anon

          I stole your post Tom.

          Copying can be stealing according to the definition of Data Theft. And theft doesn’t always require a physical item to be taken as defined by both Data Theft and Theft of Service. Bearing this in mind I would like to see your explanation that copying can’t be seen in moral terms as stealing.

          “Data Theft
          Data theft is, quite simply, the unauthorized copying or removal of confidential information from a business or other large enterprise. It can take the form of ID-related theft (the theft of customer records) or the theft of a company’s proprietary information or intellectual property.

        • Tom

          @MadAsASnake
          The point is that you are doing it without permission that’s what makes it stealing. That is usually the case with any type of theft.

        • Tom

          @Anon
          By posting here I am giving you permission to use my posts as you see fit. However, if you use my posts as your own I am within my rights to demand that you provide attribution to me. I thought that you were aware.

          So, no.. you haven’t stolen my post. Well not yet anyway.

        • Tom

          @Anon
          In short you did not plagiarise my post.

          “plagiarize
          to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one’s own : use (another’s production) without crediting the source
          intransitive verb

          : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source

          http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plagiarize

        • MadAsASnake

          @Tom, @Anon

          Attribution is far more important than copyright, and as your little love in shows, you don’t even get that…

        • zxy

          @Tom…….you sure are stupid.

          The future will hit you hard.

        • Tom

          @zxy
          Wow… that was deep.

          @MadAsASnake
          Whether it is or not.. What’s exactly is your point?

        • Tom

          Well seems like Torrentfreak are removing my posts. So much for free speech. Ah well here we go again. Copying can indeed be theft.

          “Data Theft.
          Data theft is, quite simply, the unauthorized copying or removal of confidential information from a business or other large enterprise. It can take the form of ID-related theft (the theft of customer records) or the theft of a company’s proprietary information or intellectual property.

          http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1220308

          “Plagiarism
          to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one’s own
          to use (another’s production) without crediting the source
          to commit literary theft
          to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source.

          http://www.plagiarism.org/plag_article_what_is_plagiarism.html

          So, if you think that stealing requires the owner to be deprived or an item. You are either ignorant or fooling yourself. Theft of Service also goes against this idea.

        • MadAsASnake

          @Tom
          The vast majority of copying and sharing is not infringement – Claiming attribution for something you copied is far closer to theft, of course. I do hope they are not censoring you, but as it’s all repeats, there can’t be too muc damage

      • Lauriel

        Quote: “we want you to go bankrupt, but we would like you to continue.”

        This is no more paradoxical than claiming Hotfile and MegaUpload profit (in the millions, no less) because pirates won’t pay for anything. Either pirates are willing to pay subscription models for a service that they want, the ad-based services work, or the MPAA/RIAA are completely full of it, and are harassing services who do not profit. Which is it? Because if it IS a profitable enterprise, that pirates (customers!) embrace and also benefit from, then why won’t the MPAA/RIAA industries provide a similar service?

        Steam has flourished in the games industry, and has managed to do so in “pirate havens” such as Russia. oTunes and Spotify have both made inroads into reducing piracy by providing a legal alternative. Avatar was the most downloaded, AND the most profitable movie of 2010. No one has conclusively and satisfactorily proven (you know, with data instead of slogans) that piracy harms the industy as much as is claimed, if at all. There are models that are succeeding in other areas.

        There are also a range of alternative models that are working for different people – not a one size fits all approach, but working.

        I guess it’s just easier to tell everyone that they are “different types of Humans” than it is to step up and do something. Because insulting your customer base and complaining that nothing works is always an effective business model.

        • Neutron

          “There are models that are succeeding in other areas”
          And there are so many that fail because people don’t drop a single buck.
          Many many many tried and failed. They gave it away, people liked it and still: no money made.

          “I guess it’s just easier to tell everyone that they are “different types of Humans” than it is to step up and do something.”
          Exactly. That wasn’t my argument. Some people are using this argument, that “someone else” already paid some cents for it, thus it must be free for the rest of humankind. I’m totally against this mentality, because it assumes that you are better then the “rest”.

      • Fredrika

        > “I never heard anything about people wanting to steal alcohol in masses?”

        Nor are any masses wanting to steal anything when using cyberlockers.

        > “You can’t compare digital good with real goods. One thing has demand and is paid for.”

        Yes, goods is goods, and goods is something that can be owned. An intellectual work does not constitute goods or any kind of property, it can not be owned, and it can not be paid for.

        > “In digital land, its more like an paradox: we want you to go bankrupt, but we would like you to continue.”

        You seem to be confusing a few large monopoly holders in North America, with the creators of intellectual works. When you manage to keep those two apart, there is no paradox.

        > “Nobody knows how to do that (besides having stupid ‘lowlifes’ pay for you), but this is an completely another topic about “supposed” different types of Humans – those who know and the sheeps.”

        Would that mean that those entrepreneurs arguing against filesharing are sheeps, since they cry and ask others to come up with new business models for them, and maybe a planned economy, where failed entrepreneurs are guaranteed money, even when they don’t sell anything?

    • Anonymous

      Yeah. but alcohol is a bad thing. What the hell is wrong with piracy? You are not stealing, you are just sharing, and that is your right…now if the digital economy does not work for you then screw you, make chairs, but since you are in the digital economy make products that people do not want to copy, or sth else.

      • Boozer

        “Yeah. but alcohol is a bad thing.”

        Not true. It’s cheap, it makes ugly women beautiful and it comes in a neat handy container. I’ll drink to that! <3

    • Tony Soprano

      I rather like this concept: a file-sharing Mafia vs. the MAFIAA.

      Let the bloodshed begin… <3

  • Andylite

    Any service with servers and (or) financial arrangements connected with the USA can be taken down. I suspect that there are very few services that have no connections to the US so most are vulnerable to attack.

    A new infrastructure is needed where the USA is embargoed. The logical option for US organisations and Government will be to censor search for foreign sites from within the USA. Everyone (except the US user) is happy.

    • Captain Buzzoverinthehead DFC

      It’s past time for an Internet Death Penalty for the entire USA…

      • me

        GeoIP databases are widely and freely available. Imagine a boycott by as many non-US website owners as possible redirecting every client IP originating from the US to a page of the EFF (or whatever) explaining them why they have been redirected, because their country behaves in an anti-social way w.r.t. freedom on the Internet. Think Hulu’s GeoIP restrictions, just the other way.

        • Guest

          Great idea. (but money talks)

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Unlikely to happen, me. Even uploaded.to and the other cyber-lockers who did that are now being hammered by the elected officials in the countries where they are based, asking why they did this if they don’t have anything to hide.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ender-Wiggin/100000885624281 Ender Wiggin

      no worries, all us US users are using chinese VPN’s and proxies anyway. Don’t worry about us, cut the fuckers off at the knees.

    • Anonymous

      one reason why the US is so desperate to get ACTA in existence is so it can either get the relevant country to do what it the US wants or go in and do it itself, regardless of which country it is

    • MadocComadrin

      Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, nothing better than to create a sense of xenophobia and bind the American people closer to their current government than to do such a thing.

  • Anonymous

    Well, there goes more internet business from the US. Not like they needed the jobs or anything. I’m sure the MPAA’s ability to spend hundreds of millions making a “Battleship” movie about aliens that fire giant pegs at real battleships is more important.

    • Mwhahaha

      I so wanna watch, yet not pay for, the film you mention.
      Is there any way I can accomplish this?

      • Sir

        Here’s the gist of what you’ll have to do:

        1. Steal a car
        2. Take a handbag
        3. …
        4. Profit

        I forget the rest

        • MadAsASnake

          Oh? Doesn’t that suppot terrorism – FACT says so?

      • Anyone

        not yet, it has to come out first

  • Goosmoo

    Let’s make the mpaa happy and just go back to the pre-sneakernet era and trade files by physically handing each other printed pieces of paper.

  • Unbelievable

    MPAA is just ridiculous. they have such unreasonable arguments, i don’t get it, how can they even succeed with this dumb shit they talk. how do people believe that? i mean people in positions… are they all paid / corrupt or something?

    they got no actual proof, they just playing god. you can’t just shutdown some others people business for no reason. wtf? they should be the ones in jail and shutdown.

    after i heard what kim dotcom had to say, why he went to jail etc…. i was like…. WTF???!!! on what grounds were they even able to pull something like this off?

    unbelievable.

    • Anyone

      they bribed politicians and judges, it’s as simple as that

      money is power, and as long as we still buy their crap they got power.

      don’t buy anything ever again that has even remotely to do with the MAFIAA, it’s the only language they understand.
      and even if they don’t understand once they (hopefully) run out of money they run out of power because the bribes stop coming.

      • Mwhahaha

        But how do they even have any money to bribe people with?
        I thought they were all paupers now, due to all those nasty pirates stealing their revenues.

        Perhaps if they stopped “contributing” to politicians, they wouldn’t notice the % loss that piracy gives them.

        • Anyone

          sadly people still pay them, so they have too much money and use that money to take away our freedoms and rights

          hopefully that will change, the death of the MAFIAA is long overdue

        • Arzak

          But what will Torrentfreak post then on the most downloaded movie list every week?

          1. Youtube: Kick in the Nuts
          2. Youtube: Kick in the Nose
          3, Youtube: Cat with Dog
          4. Youtube: Dog with Cat
          5. Youtube: Baby laughing

          I smell “Warez”.Groups filming it off the screen to even simulate R5.

        • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

          @Arzak Hey, Dog with Cat is a seriously underrated piece of cinema.

          Kick in the Nuts however was pure shit. Remake of America’s Funniest Home vid’s circa Bob Saget.

    • Neutron

      Occams Razor says: if the logic forces you to an impossible conclusion, it must be one thats right. Rapidshore blocks your account if you upload too much infringing material. MU and Hotfile didn’t. If you Hotel is frequently used for strange activities, you either get used to constant Raids by the police, broken doors and windows you have to pay for or you just don’t give out keys to “those”. Its not very hard.

      No need to bribe anyone. Its way to expensive and its much easier watching them implode themselves. Hotfile did all the wrong things to hang themselves.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        You joking? I know quite a few people who were banned from MegaUpload and Hotfile for uploading copyrighted content only ONCE!

        You really don’t know what you are talking about.

        • Tom

          Really? do you have any evidence of this?

        • Neutron

          Around 200 “sites” removes their Hotfile links, when the first hammer came down on them. Fileserve went bazookas on their cloud and probably deleted lots and lots of “questionable” stuff. I’m ok with users doing whatever they want, but you can’t question companies doing exact the thing you expect them to do to keep their asses off the heat. Just because one or two doesn’t do it, it doesn’t mean that everybody else has no clue how to avoid….helicopter landings.

    • Holyjeeziwantedtolickem

      im all for filesharing, but dont sit there and pretend you don’t know why its wrong. Kim Dotcom made millions of fucking dollars running a site that ppl use to share copyrighted files. how is that not wrong? i think hes a jackass. if he really supported filesharing, he wouldn’t have made a profit from it. he was all about the money, not about “supporting a free internet”. and no actual proof? hmmm, let me see, how bout when I go to download say, Mass Effect 3, and its listed in 120 parts on hotfile.com. Don’t act like you cant find millions of illegal files right now on any of these sites. Like I said, i support filesharing to an extent, and I want these companies to update their business models, but I’m so sick of everyone on this site pulling out all these ridiculous twisted interpretations of laws to support what they do.

      Bottom line, if any single one of you people actually made something, like a movie or a tv show or a game, and you put in hundreds of hours making it, and the next day it was all over the internet downlaoded a million times, meanwhile, only 15 people logged into your site and bought it, you’d be pissed too. If everyone just downloaded everything and noone paid for anything, then these companies and “artists” would have no incentive to make any new works, and we would have no entertainment. You Ubisoft or EA is going to continue spending millions making games if everything is free? Its kantianism, if its not okay for everyone to do it all the time, then its not morally right.

      Thats why i support services like iTunes (.99 songs) and steam. filesharing helps breed competion, which creates higher quality and more affordable services. But don’t pretend for a second that “copying isnt stealing” and all the other bullshit everyone on this site says. It is stealing because someone used their intelligent brain to make somehting that you couldn’t do on your own, therefore, they should be paid for their “sweat of the brow” work.

  • Byte Master

    The only problem I see is a RELIABLE payment processor; it’s easy to use a .ru domain and have servers in e.g. The Netherlands. The problem is paying for your server without using Visa/MasterCard/AMEX/PayPal or anything else that doexn’t terminate in the US. Once that last hurdle has been taken, you can isolate yourself from US jurisdiction.

    This won’t stop them from leaning on their allies to go after you based on local laws (allofmp3)

    • Anyone

      there are bitcoins
      but you are right, non-US payment system is badly needed, I’m surprised there isn’t one already, clearly there is a demand for that.

      • Mwhahaha

        Please let’s not have the bitcoins debate again.

        • Anyone

          agreed
          but it is an option, even if I would not personally trust it

        • Guest

          Dictate much? That’s MAFIAA way. “Let’s not discuss things”. There are alternatives for everything! Even for monetary system but humans are always afraid of change.

        • bitcoin is…. OFF TOPIC

          +1
          bitcoin debate has happened too much.

          OFF TOPIC

  • Anonymous

    considering the Mega case hasn’t even gone to court yet, i find this request for ‘summary judgement’ rather concerning, as it make me feel that i was right when i stated under another topic about Mega that the ruling was decided even before the raid! hope i’m wrong, but it looks bad. it’s also extremely presumptuous of the MPAA, even though nothing less than a usual tactic of theirs, considering that to claim that 90% of the files are infringing, i bet they haven’t checked any more than the specific 5% that may be theirs

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  • Guest

    This is bullshit

    they aren’t even done with MU.

    It’s like they’re just lashing out at sites at random.

    If this keeps up, NO ONE, will want to use the internet anymore becuase they could get royally screwed over for one click.

    Google already refused to give them info because the legal window has ended. I hope the US court puts a stop to this insanity.

    • Mwhahaha

      If they’ve claimed something about MU in a public space aren’t they influencing any possible trial before they’ve even extradited the fatboy? Seems a bit contempty to me.

  • Anonymous

    ‘set an important precedent for the future of similar cloud hosting services that operate in the United States’

    let’s hope then that all other ‘cloud hosting services’ have the sense to keep the fuck away from the US and ban anyone from the US from using them.

    sorry and all that to the people of the US but when you seem to be doing nothing or seem to be unable to do anything to stop the overreaching and heavy handedness of the US government and law enforcement agencies, you have to suffer as well. shame. but as is stated by the companies that shut done sites falsely or shut down multiple sites instead of just the one it should, that’s ‘collateral damage’.

    • Anyone

      it’s sad that the politicians let an industry kill another industry that is so much larger and provides so many more jobs.

      but I guess the IT industry doesn’t bribe nearly as well.

      • me

        Maybe that’s the problem. The IT industry needs to outbribe the MAFIAA and beat them at their own game. All it takes is a consortium of the Big Five IT firms to buy as many Congress-critters as they can. Every one of those turncoat politicians will immediately sing to the tune of their new masters.

        • Rohe

          You can’t win on the shady side. You have to win by producing mass stuff outside the studio system _and_ making enough money to finance it. No more 15 million dollar paychecks, no more Hollywood Accounting, no more bribery.

          As long you “take” something from “someone”, every judge in this solar system will give him stupid rights to hunt you for that. We have to go the Firefox route. IE still exists. Nobody took it down. Microsoft is still there. But Firefox/Chrome won, because its a different way, a better way.

          Why should the IT giants like Apple, who take insanely 30% for doing nothing, wanting to make those bankrupt who give them 30%? It makes no sense.

  • Wyrm

    “According to recent studies, 80 to 90% of all emails are spam, many of which are also scam. We should forbid email as it is massively used for criminal behaviour.”

    That have the same kind of flawed reasonning, particularly in a digital world where “massively infringing behaviours” doesn’t (or shouldn’t) kill perfectly legal concepts and usages.

    • Mwhahaha

      I think facebook’s on a mission to kill email (and most of tinternet) all by itself.

      • Mark Suckerberg

        Everything about Facebook is negative. Just look at who funded the “project” and what they do with YOUR personal information. I fail to see why people “need” it or why they’re so obsessed with that stupid site. Fuck Facebook.

  • Nimski

    New headline next week: “MPAA CLAIMS YOUTUBE GENERATES MILLIONS OFF COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL”

    • Anyone

      they already sued youtube (and lost)

      • Rohe

        And thus, Youtube is unusable from about 30 different countries. Everybody resorts to proxies and stupid tools now, because they conformed so much that you find nothing.

      • Guest

        They lost because YouTube is owned by Google which has infinite resources to defend themselves from thugs like MAFIAA.

  • Appeal

    If the US District Court in Florida grants the summary judgment, Hotfile will appeal to the higher court (with a likely reversal).

    This case WILL most likely go to trial.

  • Guest

    >>Waterman concluded that 90.2% of all daily downloads on Hotfile are infringing<<

    Interesting the % of infringing files they put forward. Waterman based that on a random sampling, but did not check if the files where infringing copyright. That was left to "Scott A. Zebrak" who put forward that that % was infringing OR highly likely to be infringing. What is "highly likely to be infringing"? it either is or it is not.

    Quite interesting that Scott A. Zebrak past includes being:- Vice President, Litigation & Legal Affairs at RIAA 2007 – 2011 (4 years)

    A nice little earner for waterman too
    "I am being compensated for my services in this case at a rateof $450/hour ($550/hour for testimony)"

    • Fredrika

      > “Interesting the % of infringing files they put forward. Waterman based that on a random sampling, but did not check if the files where infringing copyright.”

      More importantly, a file in itself can not be infringing. The transference of information needed to manufacture a copy of a file is what can be infringing. But on Hotfile’s behalf the number of infringing transferences is 0%, because US copyright law does not consider an transference of information an infringement until Hotfile have disregarded an DMCA take down notice.

      Whether or not a copyright infringement takes part on an end users behalf is something that neither Hotfile or any other party can verify or control, it is decided by the copyright legislation in the end-users individual country, and other aspects, and in reality it’s basically impossible to get any correct number at all, and it’s completely illogical to put any responsibility for that on Hotfile or any cyberlocker, things that they have no way of verifying or control.

      • Wyrm

        Not exactly right either. Hotfile cannot be held responsible for copyright infringement on their service if it complies to DMCA requierements. That does not mean that a transfer is not an infringement (for those who don’t like double negations: “it means that a transfer might be an infringement”). It just means Hotfile itself is safe from being sued.

        DMCA does not negate infringements but defines conditions for a lack of responsibilities. Hence, you could have 90% of infringing transfers, as long as Hotfile fulfills its obligations towards DMCA, it should not be held liable for them.

        Of course, MPAA and RIAA want the judges to think otherwise. There’s never enough guilty parties for their procedural hunger.

        • Neutron

          The problem begins, when DotComUpload or else would conform to that statement of “not knowing and not wanting problems” by blocking reupload by this IP/account/kickback money. They know that this account infringes (they got the papers), they still don’t kick them out, they still let them reupload and still pay out the money the made with the infringing material – which can be considered “money laundering” by insane US laws.

        • MadAsASnake

          @Neutron

          No they don’t know. They know that the user may be and has been accused on numerous occasions by vested interests. There are a number of possibilities:
          - The upload may not actually be copyfight of complainant (10% Mega, 37% Google)
          - The upload may be fair use (or local law equiv)
          - The upload may entirely legal in the juristiction (even though copyright material). It is the usage of the material, not the material that is infringement.
          - and of course the usage may indeed be infringing.
          A storage service cannot possibly know which. To add to the abuses of taking down content that is not infringing, you are now saying that these services should block those uploaders. Based on the DMCA takedown notices alone (acusations), you are saying that Hotfile should have cut off the accounts of large numbers of perfectly legit users?

          I cannot see anything in DMCA that would require this, and the fact that it is being demanded and given in so many cases is the worrying thing. That the MPAA is demanding other organisation to self-censor is just wrong. As this case shows, MPAA constantly presents is accusations as proven fact. We see it again here – presenting the Mega indictment (whih is a travesty, BTW) as the basis for Summary Judgment. This is not remotely the case.

          The DMCA (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA) are noxious overbearing laws written by MPAA and similar (why on earth is this tolerated???) and pushed through by corrupt methods (why on earth is this not prosecuted???). They are then disregarded by the very people that wrote them. Now I am not particularly pro-copyright infringement, but these laws deserve to be treated with complete contempt.

        • Fredrika

          > “Not exactly right either. Hotfile cannot be held responsible for copyright infringement on their service if it complies to DMCA requierements. That does not mean that a transfer is not an infringement (for those who don’t like double negations: “it means that a transfer might be an infringement”). It just means Hotfile itself is safe from being sued.”

          Isn’t intent required in US copyright law, for a transference of information to be considered an infringement on Hotfile’s behalf? Hasn’t the courts decided years ago that until knowledge of an alleged user initiated infringement exists, no intent can be considered existing, thus no infringement on Hotfile’s behalf?

    • Mwhahaha

      I’d check those files to see if the were infringing for a low, low $200 an hour.

      Tho my results might differ somewhat than his. Say around 0.0001%.

  • Mwhahaha

    Did anyone see the libel (i think) ruling for google in the UK where the judge claimed that google wasn’t responsible for comments left on its blogger comments sections.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109349/Google-victory-judge-rules-held-responsible-defamatory-blog-posts.html

    (excuse the use of The Mail as a source)

    So how is a file locker or indeed a torrent site *any* different, other than being in the US, of course.

    • Anyone

      it’s not any different

      but it wouldn’t be the first time the MAFIAA bought a verdict or a law.

    • The Peoples Court

      not excused

      Guilty for using DailyFail.

      Please standby and await your punishment

      • I must have missed the trial

        what’s so bad about the Daily Mail?

  • Guest

    If anything Hotfile aggressively maintains strict copyright enforcement for what’s uploaded. The MPAA, as usual, is smoking the good weed.

    • Anonymous

      No the MPAA just try to destroy a business rival using foul trade tactics.

  • Guest

    Just to add to my earlier post:

    The method of sampling looks suspicious, as it is based on “data that showed the number of recorded “daily downloads” of files in a particular day,which is used by Hotfile in its formula to calculate payments to Hotfile’s “Affiliates.”
    The sampling taken could be (probably was) from the highest number of downloads of a single file, it would not take into account the possibility of millions of files being download once or twice(or more) that in their eyes would be non-infringing.

    • Anyone

      i’d say the majority of the files on those services is private stuff, since you can’t really email big files this is one of the easier ways to send data to friends and relatives

      if you only look at files that are downloaded a bunch of times they might very well be mostly Imaginary Property of the MAFIAA, simply because that kind of content is more popular, free or otherwise.

      as with all statistics it matters how you interpret the data, you can make data say anything that fits your agenda if you twist it long enough.

    • MadAsASnake

      Like any other MPAA data – it will be highly selective, no peer reveiwed and paid for.

  • Cyke1

    easy way around this for those sites, don’t have any servers in the US problem solved MPAA will have to piss off.

    • Desu75

      But then maintaining speed.

      • Anyone

        block US users
        the speed for the rest of the world with local servers should be fine

    • Anonymous

      Yes we should just cut the main Internet cables to the United States and say “You deal with your network and we will deal with ours”

      • BobBacklund

        And then businesses worldwide would scream bloody murder as a sizable chunk of their customer base is taken away. Cutting the US off from the internet as a whole will never, ever happen.

    • Mikko

      don’t have a .com .net .org domain

  • Gues

    When is summary judgement expected to be made?

    • MadAsASnake

      That would be an abuse of process. These issues need to be tested in front of a judge.

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    And, do we have to point this out again: most things on the internet that people ‘pirate, games excluded, have already been paid for by those people in question.

    How? Through cable TV subscriptions, through satellite radio subscriptions, etc.
    Also, sometimes the things in question are available for free on the internet from legitimate sites!

    These people are just being greedy in the extreme and trying to make people feel that they have to pay MORE THAN ONCE for anything they wish to view or listen to.

    Sorry, but that isn’t going to work, people are smarter than that.

    • Neutron

      “And, do we have to point this out again: most things on the internet that people ‘pirate, games excluded, have already been paid for by those people in question.”

      This one is funny in many ways. Especially when they pirate gold masters _stolen_ from CD-Manufacturers three days before even the game/Cd/DVD reaches the shelves. The whole process begins there with a true true life “theft”.

      Not that I’m against paying nothing for a $200 million movie. I just not see the numbers adding up when one guy on earth pays $1 for it (“so he had paid for it”) and all the other 7 billions earthlings copy it. How do they get the other $199.999? You wont “suggest” that there are different type of humans? Some who are “stupid” to pay and some “who are the elite, the better”?

      There is no need for torrents if you want $1 shite stuff. Just go on Chatroulette. Nobody will “hunt” you for that crap you wish so hard.

      • MadAsASnake

        So you would agree that all the other levys and wedges they get (like those on blank media) should be removed? They can’t have it both ways…

      • Goest

        you don’t understand the avenues of development of paying services into which such music and video products can be bundled…:

        unlimited online backup of the content you paid for… a nice “digital” package for your files… various levels of quality for your files depending on your needs

        so many people would agree to pay for that, look at the profit kimdotcom made

      • Goest

        you don’t understand the avenues of development of paying services into which such music and video products can be bundled…:

        unlimited online backup of the content you paid for… a nice “digital” package for your files… various levels of quality for your files depending on your needs

        so many people would agree to pay for that, look at the profit kimdotcom made

  • Anon

    Step 1: Make a huge blank file
    Step 2: Post it on a file sharing service under the name of a popular movie
    Step 3: Have it taken down for “copyright infringement” by the MPAA
    Step 4: Sue the MPAA up the ass for unlawful infringement claims
    Step 5: ???
    Step 6: Profit.

    • Soahs

      Better yet, put a picture of your dog inside this large file. Make sure to name your dog with the same name as a popular movie. Have your online firiends do the same. Form a camera club. Then when the MPAA tries to take these pictures down you can fight back with teeth.

    • lets do it

      I like it …. let’s make it happen. Meme the word out

      How to troll copyright !

      Step 1: Make a huge blank file
      Step 2: Post it on a file sharing service under the name of a popular movie
      Step 3: Have it taken down for “copyright infringement” by the MPAA
      Step 4: Sue the MPAA up the ass for unlawful infringement claims
      Step 5: Profit.

      • Anyone

        you forgot the step where you have to bribe the judge, or the MAFIAA will win the case

  • ryder4life22187

    lol trying to sue for a judgement to gain back lost revenue. so what the MPAA and the studios think that if lets say 20 ppl DL this movie that they just lost about 15 to 20 movie sells yeah right if they didnt DL who’s to say they would go out and buy it. Maybe they should look at their own business practice who in their right mind is gonna spend 19.99 or more on a movie. Come on studios lets talk 5 to 8 bucks then maybe more people will buy movies instead of DL

  • Coldtoon

    ok am i the only one that is seeing a trend here? first i see that megaupload made mega song right riaa took it down and so megaupload called them on it then riaa takes a pirate claim out on them..

    WB abuses it’s hotfile tool and takes down legit content so hotfile called them out on it then the mpaa takes a pirate claim out on them

    you see where it’s going? these call outs can really hurt them so they try to shutdown these people to avoid that

  • Mc

    Dont do business in the US. Dont colo in the US. Dont service the US. Dont use US domains. Help em out while they wall themselves in from the rest of the internet. It will be a firewall not to keep us out, but to keep them IN. Theres a whole world out there other than america, and we should all invest in any non-US economic activity that we can. The arrogance has gone on too long. Defund the united states, watch as their “digital economy” founders while everyone elses booms, then we can all get on with living our lives and leave them to lie in the bed theyve been so happily making up.

  • Anonymous

    I thought megaupload was still waiting for a trial, they were already declared guilty huh?
    And hotfile and megaupload “identical”? Is hotfile also part of a super duper racketeering conspiracy now?

    • MadAsASnake

      They will be accused of anything convenient – just like Mega…

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  • Gargamel

    Whatever the outcome, the case is expected to set an important precedent for the future of similar cloud hosting services that operate in the United States.
    -
    Only an idiot would operate a cloud service in the U.S nowadays.

  • Anonymous

    So now they’re using the MU raid as leverage? The case hasn’t even gone to trial and the evidence may have been falsified to execute this raid. How can you use something as “evidence” when the service hasn’t been convicted yet. HF should use RS as the example.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ValhallaLegend Andrew Lee

    How many MPAA members does it take to change a light bulb? 100!! 1 to change the light bulb and 99 to sue the makers for copyrighted text on the light bulb.

    • MadAsASnake

      No… the lightbulb doesn’t get changed. They sue for copyright infringement on the bulb but destroy the evidence anyway. They then complain that there is no light and that this is the infringers fault.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ValhallaLegend Andrew Lee

        LOL

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    Run that by me again…

    The MPAA is going after Rapidshare civilly…

    While prosecuting Megaupload *criminally?*

    WTF?

    • Bribe the “right” people

      Unlike MegaFatty, Rapidshare spent quite a few pesos on lobbying. That’s why the MAFIAA is being so “civil” with them. ;-)

  • Anon

    its amazing how the MPAA can claim that 90% of the downloads from hotfile are piracy considering they do not have the statistics of hotfile downloads. They should stop making up rumors and false statistics.

    • MAFIAA executive

      Hotfile causes cancer, terrorism and child abuse. Some other shit too but I can’t recall everything our lawyers are creating. Hmm, maybe we need more lawyers.

  • maniacks

    This video is dedicated to MPAA RIAA and other such organizations on how to earn by giving stuff for free a 5 minute video explaining how “kolavari di” made millions by giving stuff for free m/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lhnyxspSDxo

  • Searinox

    Ernesto we need an article QUICK!

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120307/13454918027/obama-administration-acta-is-binding-dont-worry-your-pretty-little-heads-about-tpp.shtml

    The Obama administration just admitted that ACTA is indeed BINDING to the United States, as in, it FORCES the US to adopt the measures specified within. Quick! An article!!

    • Anonymous

      Yes that is an important admission. So they now admit that ACTA will bind the powers on Congress to set the IP laws it wants. This also means there is no way for ACTA to become law without being ratified by Congress first.

      As I have said all along the President’s signature on ACTA is invalid. Maybe ACTA won’t charge the law now, even if the ambiguous wording in ACTA makes that very unclear, but it will be certainly be power to change the law in the future.

      Then TPP is certainly a dictatorship law. How crazy are these people to think that the negotiation documents will only be released 4 years after TPP is ratified? We should recall International Law overrides national law and existing International Law makes very clear that ambiguous points are clarified from the founding negotiation documents.

      So with both ACTA and TPP they are asking countries to sign up to be bound to an agreement that they REFUSE to state the true meaning of until 4 years after they become law.

      Does anyone doubt how dangerous that can be? Then do we doubt that all this would not be kept ultra secret if they did not have big things to hide?

      • MadAsASnake

        Extremely dangerous. I read the article – after reading about how “super-transparent” this was, they said the public must not see it as no-one would ever enter trade agreements with the US again. Pretty plain it’s something thatv should not be happening. Can’t imagine this law having any legitimacy. Civil disobedience on this is irrelevant – how can you possibly abide by a law if you are forbidden from knowing what it is.

        • Anonymous

          We will certainly find out the nasty way 4 years following ratification once they take services to court and they pull out documents showing what those ambiguous points exactly mean. When it comes to ambiguous terms like “commercial infringement” then there is indeed a huge scope on how you define that term.

          Surprise you broke the law even if you cant read what it was. We can only hope ACTA soon dies and TPP follows. On any International Trade Agreement there should always be high clarity.

      • Anonymous

        and without signed countries being able to then change their own individual copyright laws in any direction except to make those laws even more draconian (worse). how much are the entertainment industries going to love that? it will basically give those industries the right to interpret the laws as they see fit when they want and give them the right to make the laws as harsh as they like at any time

  • Anonymous

    I doubt this one will work. The MPAA is always trying to bypass or to kill DMCA safe harbour law but judges are not that stupid. Well we have to wait and see bur I only expect the judge to conclude that HotFile go above and beyond their lawful requirements under DMCA law.

    Even if 90% of files are infringing then they are still trying to blame HotFile for what their users do. Then due to their direct take down access this would be the MPAA failing to do their own removal job and blaming HotFile for the remaining files they did not find or remove.

    Go blame yourself MPAA and not only for an imperfect job but also in not meeting the market needs creating a whole space for infringement anyway. This means even if they kill HotFile this same market demand just moves elsewhere.

    • Anonymous

      MPAA wouldn’t care about that anyway.

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  • Searinox

    4 years is the magical figure. It ensures the bastards responsible for this will no longer be in office, perhaps even in the country, to be held responsible for what they wrote.

  • Anonymous

    so what response has Hotfile put out, assuming it has put one out by now

  • Anonymous

    I wish someone would take the MPAA out at the knees already, enough is enough.
    Done-Anon.tk

  • Guest

    Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics
    Then what the MPAA/RIAA says

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  • http://www.facebook.com/chillinfart Arturo Julio Zevallos Córdova

    This is a joke?
    I no see any data about “infringing files” or what names matches with them, only read about a 90 percent and samplings in document.

    This is not clear.

    • MadAsASnake

      Oh! You were expecting more than an unsubstantiated statement? From MPAA?

  • Annat99

    “more than 90% of all downloads are copyright infringing”
    And to how many files on hotfile does MPAA have rights to anyway? 2%? 5%? I never granted MPAA authorization to pursue infringers of my copyrighted files.

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  • Gae

    I have no comment other than fuck the MPAA

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  • http://twitter.com/happyizpunjai happy

    They didn’t think about the impact. Remember what happen to megaupload will happen agian.

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  • Arthurtwoshedsjackson

    I’m still loving the fact that Rapidshare – which was removed from the MPAA’s offenders list – is still going strong… in fact it’s doing great for pirates if you’re happy to pay a buck or two to get something fast…

    The process of going after them one by one would make sense if Rapdishare wasn’t ‘magically’ exempt from all of this – which is exactly how it is right now.

    Why? Because Rapidshare set up a team to lobby the US government last year…

    This isn’t about piracy – it’s about Rapidshare taking down the competition, bit by bit… They’re doing a pretty good job so far – I just wish someone would investigate this utterly ridiculous paradox and point it out to a federal judge some time.

    Well, we can dream, can’t we?

    • Anonymous

      I don’t know, what if the feds think Rapidshare gets out of line and decides to have it shut down?

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  • foff

    Fuck the Riaa. Hotfile is pretty much dead anyway so why do they still fucking care.
    Anyway what they can’t seem to understand is a download does not equal a sale and never will. All effort aimed at stopping downloads does zero to improve retail sales. In the history of the internet no shut ever resulted in even a mild spike in retail sales.

    What they may be afraid of is if they don’t make an effort to complain about digital downloads then at some point by acclamation digital files would be considered exempt from copyright claims. When you think about there is no copyright law anywhere that has really addressed whether a digital file should be copyrightable or deserves any protection. In my opinion trying to enforce copyright as we know it on digital files is like trying to enforce a law prohibiting water from flowing down hill. It is basically a useless effort.

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  • Great White North

    sooo….how many helicopters did they use this time?
    FBI->u suck!
    obviously a large part of the funding aka bribery didn’t make it your way this time?
    puppets, freaking 2 faced useless puppets
    1 company gets treated as terrorists, another you talk to.
    I am impressed at the depths of the U.S. corruption.
    I knew the media corps were running things but I had no idea that it was so bad.
    I am not for the use of any of their methods at all, don’t think for a second that I am against Mega or CyberL, I am 100% on their side.

    I am however embarrassed, disgusted, angry, fed-up and ashamed to be a neighbor of the United Corporations of America..
    The crimes of your politicians are far greater than any of the so called alleged copyright infringers that you treat as terrorists and your inept, inconsistent reactions are beneath contempt. It sickens me that my country calls itself a partner to your bullshit.
    Americans-> how the hell can you call yourself citizens of democracy and at the same time allow this crap to continue? have you no more pride in your country?
    Is the U.S. that used to be, forever gone?
    Is this what you pay taxes for? Are you really happy with what you see in the mirror every morning?
    Why do so many of you call yourself Canadians when you are overseas?
    Do the right thing before the rest of the planet does it for you!

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  • Guest

    Does anybody still use Hotfile? I haven’t seen anything posted on there in a long time since they started aggressively taking files down.

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  • Me

    This is a load of shit there’s going to be nothing left of the internet we have to be able to upload files, and it’s not possible to check every single on the server!

    The goverment has to accept you can’t stop piracy since privacy comes first!

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  • Cdknowles2

    Personally. I just plain don’t believe in intellectual property anymore. We live in a world now where all information, knowledge, and media, can and should be shared freely and globally. And don’t tell me that I’m wrong. Times change, and so do moral values along with it. File-sharing, or “piracy” as people call it is widely accepted as moral by a vast majority of earths populace. To bring up any stat stating otherwise is obvious false propaganda. In the early roman era it was morally acceptable to bang little boys.. But times changed, and so did morals.. Thank god for that. This is a new era for the human race. And humans are finally learning to share things with one another. There are things more valuable than money, and the ability to share information, knowledge and media expediently with the rest of the world is priceless. As I will continue to share as much as I can for as long as I can with the rest of the world. This piracy war has resulted in me never paying for a song or movie for the rest of my life. Neither will my kids or their kids. They are hurting themselves though. They are only pushing people to create newer better technology that will always be one step ahead of those against it, As with any war. the people will always have the last word.

  • http://twitter.com/univluvinguy machoman

    Meanwhile, in the MPAA/RIAA’s headquarters….

    Mook: “Sir! I just discovered something amazing!”
    Boss: “What is it?”
    Mook: “People pirating use the road for transport.”
    Boss: “Burn the roads! All of them!”
    Mook2: “But what about all the legitimate uses of a road–”
    Boss: “PIRACY!”
    Mook2: “B-But–”
    Boss: “Piracy! Burn the roads! The roads are killing our economy! Burn the people who made them, too!”
    Mook2: “Right away!”

    Mook: “Oooh, I also figured something out that’s vital to our goals!”
    Boss: “Go on.”
    Mook: “Pirates transport their goods using legs!”
    Boss: “BREAK ALL THE LEGS. And SUE GOD FOR GIVING THEM TO US.”

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  • Hello

    @MachoPuss : Get A Life
    @All Of You : US should be bombed. Make them have a taste of their own medicine.

    - Anonymous US Hater

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