How the Porn Industry Plans to Wipe Out BitTorrent
Written by enigmax on September 11, 2007With all the negative reporting about BitTorrent in the mainstream media, you could be forgiven for thinking that an anti-piracy crackdown against torrent sites would be a depressing issue. On the contrary, the porn industry’s approach to dealing with BitTorrent raises more than a few smiles.
Yesterday we reported on a porn-industry meeting where they decided to take on BitTorrent and tackle the piracy menace. Today we take a look at some of the pre-meeting arrangements and discussions leading up to the ’round table’ meeting. A message on the GoFuckYourself forums (which sent this writer’s Firefox ‘suspicious site‘ plugin crazy) made by ServerGenius (an 8000+ post veteran and member since 2002) sounded quite urgent:
Plan A: Starve the Internet of Pirate Porn
ALL Major Content Producers / Studios / Big Brand names IN HERE NOW!!!!
Hit me up, I have extremely important information regarding content theft, distribution of both Interactive Online Media as well as DVD movie releases. I’m onto a major site that is one of the main sources in distributing new fresh stolen content on a daily basis on usenet but also most torrent sites grab their content from this source to add it to the torrent networks. I not only have info but also everything needed to legally deal with them and to get them permanently shutdown. I’m not joking, I’m not bullshitting I already have taken all the steps needed to get them shutdown…..but want to collect as much evidence from companies who their content is listed before getting them closed down. Doing so will ensure they’ll stay down…..I will assist every step that’s required to get this done properly I need you to confirm on the content that’s yours and your approval to include that info in the documentation to be used to whipe them out.
ServerGenius (SG) reveals the plan to stop porn piracy and starve torrent sites:
I’m after a forum which is very active releasing adult content by using usenet…..The site offers .nzb downloads for its users to download everything without having to look for it……..it’s a usenet for dummies kinda thing as well as a community for quite a few of the bigger release teams that do porn.
The forum is also used a LOT for the torrentsite owners as their main source for new releases……example: Shane’s World releases a new DVD today……it’s ripped, uploaded and added with all the info, screen shots and full dvd-rip tomorrow…..same day or day after…..same content is listed on sites like: puretna.com, empornium.us and many others.
Do I make this up? No I don’t, are you sure about that? Yes I am…… I have logs and any other info that will backup everything I claim….how did you get all this info? Believe it or not, they gave it themselves to me…….but more about that later…..
So the plan seems to revolve around taking down a single NZB site (a site which simplifies UseNet downloading) so that adult trackers immediately lose their source material, just like that. The problem with this plan is - well, everything really. 1) Taking down an NZB site doesn’t remove the content from Usenet. 2) There are lots of other NZB sites and sites which enable you to make your own NZBs. 3) Experienced Usenet users don’t need NZB sites. 4) Releasers have multiple sources, not just Usenet. 5) They’re discussing their take-down plans on the open internet. People read and report on such things.
Plan B: The Solutions to BitTorrent Sites
Ron Cadwell CEO of CCBill (processer of credit card transactions for porn sites) weighs in with some ideas of his own:
I was reading a post that Raw Alex (very smart guy) made in another tread that got me thinking on how you could stop the Torrent sites. You need to attack them like the Spam Groups did on spammers. They went after the backbone providers (Level 3, Sprint, ATT etc). If you could get 7 out of 10 of the major providers to blackhole them they are dead.
The question is how do you do that? Simple.
1. You get a group of adult webmasters to file DMCA notices by the truck load or allow you to file them on their behalf to the backbone providers. The laws are very specific on Damages and what an ISP must do if a proper DMCA notice is files. (Be Very Annoying Here)
2. You start sending them URL’s like what Raw Alex showed about Child Porn. This is a HOT topic and no backbone provider that is a PUBLIC COMPANY would want to be associated with Child Porn Traffic?
3. Each of the large adult hosting companies have a good relationship with 1 if not more major backbone providers. We can also put pressure on their Abuse Departments to blackhole them also due to the complaints?
I am not sure if it will work but if you put enough pressure on them and the fear of newspapers/major companies finding out about it they will want to distance themselves very quickly from these sites.
Bingo Problem Solved
Not even the mighty MPAA/RIAA with their gargantuan anti-piracy budgets seem to have thought of this plan, however Ron Cadwell felt that spamming DMCA notices is the way to go:
With a little programming I am sure A1R3K’s new group could put an online system that could make it very easy to send hundreds of complaints a day to each backbone provider and really put the pressure on them to black hole the sites.
Drunkspringbreakgirls sees no complications and is eager to get on with it:
We need to make a list of all the torrents, which backbone they are using and then we can all start contacting their abuse departments of the providers.
RawAlex steps in with his way to take down The PirateBay:
Swedish embassies based in the US are great places to drop off DMCA notices. Their government not wanting to take action on obvious copyright violation is a real issue, and raising this issue to this level may in fact make a difference.
…and continues:
…with due respect, 90% of the companies providing the actual connectivity are either based in the US or are owned by US companies. As such, to a greater or less extent, they can be touched by a DMCA because they have responsibilities as good corporate citizens in the US.
Example, is piratebay.org - “hosted” by p80.net, which is (shock) registered at Directnic. That would be a good place to send a DMCA.
P80.net is getting their connectivity (the route I get) from sprintlink. Spring comes up with an address in Kansas.
There are all sorts of fun places to deal with on this issue. If P80 / port80 / rix internet is not going to remove connectivity from pirate bay (and like pirate bay will try to hide behind lax swedish laws) then you get the US based companies that provide their connectivity to take the action that US law obliges them to take……
…Piratebay is hiding in Sweden because they know pretty much anywhere else they would get escorted to a cell with Bubba for recreation for the next few years. Again, shows a consciousness of guilt. If they thought they were right, they wouldn’t be hiding under the ice in Sweden.
….unless the guys from PirateBay happened to be a) Swedish and b) not hiding and c) not breaking any Swedish law.
Brokep, one of the founders of The Pirate Bay is not really impressed by these plans. He told TorrentFreak in a response: “We welcome the porn industry to contact us, we need more updates for the legal page, hasn’t been any fun legal threats for a while - and the porn industry have a good sense of humor, just look at the movie names they copy and remake.”
The porn industry certainly isn’t getting much sympathy from the guys on Digg either. Kikkomann felt that torrents provided great publicity for their stars while str3ama felt that the adult industry had some infringement issues of it’s own to deal with.
homesickalien couldn’t understand how the porn movie business could ever lose any money: “it’s not like they’re shelling out millions to some a-list actors or spending loads on CG effects” he said. “All you need is a $50 hooker, a dv camcorder and a dvdburner. the porn industry couldn’t lose money if it tried to.”
However, the industry maintains that it loses 4% of its total worldwide revenue to piracy. ButterBuddha feels they should proceed with caution:
“The fight for that 4% will ruin the industry…”
The full discussions on GFY can be found here and here.
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How do you wipe out something that isn’t centralized?
Futile efforts.
They I don’t know could ask them not to allow torrents of their porn.
The three porn porn trackers I use (puretna, empornium, and cheggit) have long Do Not Post lists from web sites and companies have have asked the trackers not allow torrents of videos, pic sets and games they own the rights too. Although the only business that has thought of this is JastUSA a hentai anime/game licensing company.
Funny how they think they can wipe out something that is globalized
I was reading some academic journal last week (seriously) about how the porn industry is struggling to evolve with the times, although they have previously led a number of technical revolutions — this is proof that like the MPAA, RIAA and other legitimate media companies (not saying pr0n isn’t legit - but come on, it’s not the same thing - their library doesn’t gain value year to year - it loses value, because who really wants to pay money for porn from the 80s? No one.), porn doesn’t get it.
If they think that trying to take on the interweb and off-shore usenet groups is the solution to gaining back that 4% they are allegedly losing, they might as well just move out of the San Fernando Valley now and get out of the business entirely.
You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.). Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches! Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)
[quote]…Piratebay is hiding in Sweden because they know pretty much anywhere else they would get escorted to a cell with Bubba for recreation for the next few years. Again, shows a consciousness of guilt. If they thought they were right, they wouldn’t be hiding under the ice in Sweden.[/quote]
Ha, someone is hiding because they base their web site in their own country?
DeathToTorrents, where have you been? what you are proposing has been tried by the movie industry for years. In the words of Dr. Phil: “So how is that working for you?” The “sue the world, one person at a time” strategy is not exactly killing the torrent community.
Fun? No. Slow and futile? Definitely.
[quote comment="163186"]You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.). Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches! Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)[/quote]
LOL yes you can sue everyone but do you know how much time it would be to sue every single person who’s downloading movies illegally? i can guarantee you it would be at least a decade to sue everyone. not only that but if someone has a wireless router you can’t even prove that someone isn’t stealing their internet and that the thieves are the one’s commiting infringement. additionally, not even all IP’s give their users these emails/letters. and even when they do generally it’s a warning with the most common worst case scenario is getting your internet cut off. the idea of court is laughable. the only thing any type of legal action would possibly do is scare people to stop downloading illegally. um…the RIAA tried that with napster. did it work? sure, maybe for a little while but n00bs are still using limewire for their music downloads xD
the MPAA, a much more powerful organization than the porn industry hasn’t succeeded. what makes you think you will
Don’t feed the troll.
[quote comment="163186"]Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served.[/quote]
That’s when you find out that the subscriber turns out to be a unemployed grandmother, and the only one who uses the computer in the house is her 12-year-old grandchild.
AND THEN IT MAKES THE NEWS. And not like RIAA and MPAA makes the news when this happens to them. Movies and Music are just trashy and violent — but YOU’RE THE PORN INDUSTRY, THE PEOPLE EVERYONE WANTS TO PROTECT THEIR KIDS FROM!
Suddenly, the government decides that regulation on the porn industry is not strong enough to protect kids, and comes crashing down on you.
- More 2257 regulation
- More health regulation — (barebacking isn’t that popular, anyway)
- Stronger adult verification of your customers
… oh, and I know …
- Since porn isn’t a “useful art” or “science” (the reason for copyright as stated in the Constitution), no copyright protection under the law
Yeah, go ahead!! Tell the world how the Porn industry is going to start using DMCA to get the personal information of Americans, perhaps even Children!
In fact — be REAL SMART about it and start making a big deal about it about a year before a major Presidential election.
The delicious irony will be to watch the porn industry screw itself.
[quote comment="163186"]You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.). Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches! Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)[/quote]
You do not understand. Bittorrent is not just for porn. Its for us who do not have direct or indirect access do content. For instance, I live in Guam. We have a lot of the same things as the Mainland US. But I cannot get all of the TV shows here. So I download them off EZTV. Another example is Jamendo. I get most of the my music from them through Bittorent. I really do not want people monitoring me while I download ANYTHING. That is considered an illegal wire tap. This is my private property and no one can look at it without a court order. I suggest you look at the electronic copyright act. As a network admin I have to deal with that. Just because they can see I download something does not mean they can act on it. Heck they would have to download it in order to find out what it is. What happens if it isn’t what they thought it was? Did they just infringe? yes. I hate these vigilantes that think they are above the law. Why don’t you go fuck yourself?
LOL at the GFY links.
Agreed with most of the posts above. The porn industry will not make any depression on torrents/p2p networks that would be remotely measurable.
Torrent/P2P networks are huge, they make up most of the Internet’s bandwidth and is very accessible to anyone with an Internet connection, which is (pure guess) like almost 1/6 of the Earth’s population. (again, pure guess, might be much lower than be guess, but still HUGE)
I also have to agree with some of the users from Digg, it is really not hard to get someone to do some sexual acts and them film it then distribute.
I love these two: “All you need is a $50 hooker, a dv camcorder and a dvdburner. the porn industry couldn’t lose money if it tried to.”
“The fight for that 4% will ruin the industry…”
As I have said in the other commenting section on the Porn industry, there is really nothing new as of content, like, nothing has changed.
Sure, technology has and distribution methods, but the same old nude bodies getting on, it’s not new.
That’s why I am no longer amused, or even “turned-on” by porn.
Anyway, they can’t for the sake of their dildos and lubes, they won’t “wipe out bittorrent”.
Unless they have the means of launching an EMP bomb onto the World’s Main Internet Servers.
IF something is created, there’s porn in it.
Torrentz doesn’t allow to search porn anymore. u have to type a porn title instead.
By trying to get rid of porn piracy will only make it more popular.
They’ll impress me when they shut down PureTnA, then they will get my attention. But…..its not going to happen, they might as well try and take down the internet itself, it will never happen. Like the “artists” that create porn can bring a better fight than the RIAA/MPAA. That’s fucking hilarious.
[quote comment="163301"]You do not understand. Bittorrent is not just for porn. Its for us who do not have direct or indirect access do content. For instance, I live in Guam. We have a lot of the same things as the Mainland US. But I cannot get all of the TV shows here. So I download them off EZTV. Another example is Jamendo. I get most of the my music from them through Bittorent. I really do not want people monitoring me while I download ANYTHING. That is considered an illegal wire tap. This is my private property and no one can look at it without a court order. I suggest you look at the electronic copyright act. As a network admin I have to deal with that. Just because they can see I download something does not mean they can act on it. Heck they would have to download it in order to find out what it is. What happens if it isn’t what they thought it was? Did they just infringe? yes. I hate these vigilantes that think they are above the law. Why don’t you go fuck yourself?[/quote]
Oh boo fucking hoo, you don’t get some of the shows you want to watch in Guam, contact your cable tv provider - but quit trying to justify your THEFT, jackass. And how hard do you think it would be to get a subpoena from your ISP with a screenshot of your IP as a peer on someones torrent containing copywritten material? I pray for the day when a bill is passed that requires distributors and/or websites providing access to distributors ( seeders ) to PROACTIVELY screen for COPYWRITTEN material. Theft is theft no matter how you try to justify it to yourself - for all that do, let me know when you’ll be gone so I can rob your house and sell all your shit to support my $1000/week escort service addiction. Come the fuck on…
[quote comment="163350"]
Oh boo fucking hoo, you don’t get some of the shows you want to watch in Guam, contact your cable tv provider - but quit trying to justify your THEFT, jackass. And how hard do you think it would be to get a subpoena from your ISP with a screenshot of your IP as a peer on someones torrent containing copywritten material? [/quote]
A..screenshot?
Yeah. Solid proof right there.
[quote comment="163209"]Don’t feed the troll.[/quote]
Come the fuck on yourself. I dare you the get me a subpoena, ask the site-admin for my ip address.
For years the (porn)industry milked the consumers with cassettes, vhs, dvd and now blu-ray and hddvd. Hell, the industry recycles everything. Now the same consumers find a way to get the same (and more) stuff for less, and suddenly all industries are complaining that the cow doesn’t give as much milk as she did before.
When you steal you take away something from somebody. When you copy something, the original product is still at it’s owner. And for your narrowed mind, some countries in this world actually have taxes for home-copying. Hell in my country it’s even allowed to download movies and music for home-use.
So come on, be a man and get me a subpoena or else shut the f up. It’s too ignorant that some people still think America is the only country in this world. Open your fucking eyes!
Finally something is getting the immoral pron industry.
Well, since some people here seem to be all about stopping BitTorrent and seeding a question needs to be asked. When is it illegal? All the time or just when you don’t own the right to the material?
I can use my self as an example. I pay for cable but I don’t have a device to record shows when I’m not at home. And I think we can all agree that it is legal to record shows for your own use. So instead I use a private BitTorrent site. They have a good request system that makes it possible for me to ask them to record the material I want. Sure, it is not a 100% successful system, sometimes I don’t get the shows I wanted. But, most of the time it works great.
Question is, am I committing a crime? The uploader sort of does, but I still have the right to the material, don’t I? And that makes me able to download it, right? So screening wont work, since the “illegal” material is in fact legal. For me at least.
You can make the same example with porn. If you have paid for the right to use a site, downloading compiled material from that site, on a torrent tracker, should still be legal.
So instead of bitching, moaning and making threats, why not try to use the medium to your own advantages???
[quote comment="163461"]When is it illegal? All the time or just when you don’t own the right to the material?[/quote]
Clearly the country you live in dictates the laws to which you are required to adhere but generally, it’s the unauthorized distribution (uploading) of copyright works which causes the legal problems.
[quote comment="163461"]Question is, am I committing a crime? The uploader sort of does, but I still have the right to the material, don’t I? [/quote]
Presuming you are a US resident and that you aren’t torrenting pre-release movies, you aren’t committing a ‘crime’ as such but it could be considered a civil offense, unless you have specific permission from the copyright holder to distribute (upload) his material. AFAIK, there’s no real legal difference between an original or subsequent seeder or indeed someone just uploading during the course of downloading as is normal with BitTorrent.
Hope that helps
Yawn, this is ballony. There are too many sources for bittorent porn to make a difference. PiratePorn Forever.
Ummm… they’ll take my porn from my cold, dead hands?
That doesn’t sound heroic, does it?
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