How the Porn Industry Plans to Wipe Out BitTorrent
Written by enigmax on September 11, 2007With all the negative reporting about BitTorrent in the mainstream media, you could be forgiven for thinking that an anti-piracy crackdown against torrent sites would be a depressing issue. On the contrary, the porn industry’s approach to dealing with BitTorrent raises more than a few smiles.
Yesterday we reported on a porn-industry meeting where they decided to take on BitTorrent and tackle the piracy menace. Today we take a look at some of the pre-meeting arrangements and discussions leading up to the ’round table’ meeting. A message on the GoFuckYourself forums (which sent this writer’s Firefox ‘suspicious site‘ plugin crazy) made by ServerGenius (an 8000+ post veteran and member since 2002) sounded quite urgent:
Plan A: Starve the Internet of Pirate Porn
ALL Major Content Producers / Studios / Big Brand names IN HERE NOW!!!!
Hit me up, I have extremely important information regarding content theft, distribution of both Interactive Online Media as well as DVD movie releases. I’m onto a major site that is one of the main sources in distributing new fresh stolen content on a daily basis on usenet but also most torrent sites grab their content from this source to add it to the torrent networks. I not only have info but also everything needed to legally deal with them and to get them permanently shutdown. I’m not joking, I’m not bullshitting I already have taken all the steps needed to get them shutdown…..but want to collect as much evidence from companies who their content is listed before getting them closed down. Doing so will ensure they’ll stay down…..I will assist every step that’s required to get this done properly I need you to confirm on the content that’s yours and your approval to include that info in the documentation to be used to whipe them out.
ServerGenius (SG) reveals the plan to stop porn piracy and starve torrent sites:
I’m after a forum which is very active releasing adult content by using usenet…..The site offers .nzb downloads for its users to download everything without having to look for it……..it’s a usenet for dummies kinda thing as well as a community for quite a few of the bigger release teams that do porn.
The forum is also used a LOT for the torrentsite owners as their main source for new releases……example: Shane’s World releases a new DVD today……it’s ripped, uploaded and added with all the info, screen shots and full dvd-rip tomorrow…..same day or day after…..same content is listed on sites like: puretna.com, empornium.us and many others.
Do I make this up? No I don’t, are you sure about that? Yes I am…… I have logs and any other info that will backup everything I claim….how did you get all this info? Believe it or not, they gave it themselves to me…….but more about that later…..
So the plan seems to revolve around taking down a single NZB site (a site which simplifies UseNet downloading) so that adult trackers immediately lose their source material, just like that. The problem with this plan is - well, everything really. 1) Taking down an NZB site doesn’t remove the content from Usenet. 2) There are lots of other NZB sites and sites which enable you to make your own NZBs. 3) Experienced Usenet users don’t need NZB sites. 4) Releasers have multiple sources, not just Usenet. 5) They’re discussing their take-down plans on the open internet. People read and report on such things.
Plan B: The Solutions to BitTorrent Sites
Ron Cadwell CEO of CCBill (processer of credit card transactions for porn sites) weighs in with some ideas of his own:
I was reading a post that Raw Alex (very smart guy) made in another tread that got me thinking on how you could stop the Torrent sites. You need to attack them like the Spam Groups did on spammers. They went after the backbone providers (Level 3, Sprint, ATT etc). If you could get 7 out of 10 of the major providers to blackhole them they are dead.
The question is how do you do that? Simple.
1. You get a group of adult webmasters to file DMCA notices by the truck load or allow you to file them on their behalf to the backbone providers. The laws are very specific on Damages and what an ISP must do if a proper DMCA notice is files. (Be Very Annoying Here)
2. You start sending them URL’s like what Raw Alex showed about Child Porn. This is a HOT topic and no backbone provider that is a PUBLIC COMPANY would want to be associated with Child Porn Traffic?
3. Each of the large adult hosting companies have a good relationship with 1 if not more major backbone providers. We can also put pressure on their Abuse Departments to blackhole them also due to the complaints?
I am not sure if it will work but if you put enough pressure on them and the fear of newspapers/major companies finding out about it they will want to distance themselves very quickly from these sites.
Bingo Problem Solved
Not even the mighty MPAA/RIAA with their gargantuan anti-piracy budgets seem to have thought of this plan, however Ron Cadwell felt that spamming DMCA notices is the way to go:
With a little programming I am sure A1R3K’s new group could put an online system that could make it very easy to send hundreds of complaints a day to each backbone provider and really put the pressure on them to black hole the sites.
Drunkspringbreakgirls sees no complications and is eager to get on with it:
We need to make a list of all the torrents, which backbone they are using and then we can all start contacting their abuse departments of the providers.
RawAlex steps in with his way to take down The PirateBay:
Swedish embassies based in the US are great places to drop off DMCA notices. Their government not wanting to take action on obvious copyright violation is a real issue, and raising this issue to this level may in fact make a difference.
…and continues:
…with due respect, 90% of the companies providing the actual connectivity are either based in the US or are owned by US companies. As such, to a greater or less extent, they can be touched by a DMCA because they have responsibilities as good corporate citizens in the US.
Example, is piratebay.org - “hosted” by p80.net, which is (shock) registered at Directnic. That would be a good place to send a DMCA.
P80.net is getting their connectivity (the route I get) from sprintlink. Spring comes up with an address in Kansas.
There are all sorts of fun places to deal with on this issue. If P80 / port80 / rix internet is not going to remove connectivity from pirate bay (and like pirate bay will try to hide behind lax swedish laws) then you get the US based companies that provide their connectivity to take the action that US law obliges them to take……
…Piratebay is hiding in Sweden because they know pretty much anywhere else they would get escorted to a cell with Bubba for recreation for the next few years. Again, shows a consciousness of guilt. If they thought they were right, they wouldn’t be hiding under the ice in Sweden.
….unless the guys from PirateBay happened to be a) Swedish and b) not hiding and c) not breaking any Swedish law.
Brokep, one of the founders of The Pirate Bay is not really impressed by these plans. He told TorrentFreak in a response: “We welcome the porn industry to contact us, we need more updates for the legal page, hasn’t been any fun legal threats for a while - and the porn industry have a good sense of humor, just look at the movie names they copy and remake.”
The porn industry certainly isn’t getting much sympathy from the guys on Digg either. Kikkomann felt that torrents provided great publicity for their stars while str3ama felt that the adult industry had some infringement issues of it’s own to deal with.
homesickalien couldn’t understand how the porn movie business could ever lose any money: “it’s not like they’re shelling out millions to some a-list actors or spending loads on CG effects” he said. “All you need is a $50 hooker, a dv camcorder and a dvdburner. the porn industry couldn’t lose money if it tried to.”
However, the industry maintains that it loses 4% of its total worldwide revenue to piracy. ButterBuddha feels they should proceed with caution:
“The fight for that 4% will ruin the industry…”
The full discussions on GFY can be found here and here.
Previously: Most Popular DVDrips on BitTorrent (wk36)
Next: MPAA: Pirate Party Politicians Are Illegitimate Thieves
115 Responses
How do you wipe out something that isn’t centralized?
Futile efforts.
They I don’t know could ask them not to allow torrents of their porn.
The three porn porn trackers I use (puretna, empornium, and cheggit) have long Do Not Post lists from web sites and companies have have asked the trackers not allow torrents of videos, pic sets and games they own the rights too. Although the only business that has thought of this is JastUSA a hentai anime/game licensing company.
Funny how they think they can wipe out something that is globalized
I was reading some academic journal last week (seriously) about how the porn industry is struggling to evolve with the times, although they have previously led a number of technical revolutions — this is proof that like the MPAA, RIAA and other legitimate media companies (not saying pr0n isn’t legit - but come on, it’s not the same thing - their library doesn’t gain value year to year - it loses value, because who really wants to pay money for porn from the 80s? No one.), porn doesn’t get it.
If they think that trying to take on the interweb and off-shore usenet groups is the solution to gaining back that 4% they are allegedly losing, they might as well just move out of the San Fernando Valley now and get out of the business entirely.
You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.). Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches! Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)
[quote]…Piratebay is hiding in Sweden because they know pretty much anywhere else they would get escorted to a cell with Bubba for recreation for the next few years. Again, shows a consciousness of guilt. If they thought they were right, they wouldn’t be hiding under the ice in Sweden.[/quote]
Ha, someone is hiding because they base their web site in their own country?
DeathToTorrents, where have you been? what you are proposing has been tried by the movie industry for years. In the words of Dr. Phil: “So how is that working for you?” The “sue the world, one person at a time” strategy is not exactly killing the torrent community.
Fun? No. Slow and futile? Definitely.
[quote comment="163186"]You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.). Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches! Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)[/quote]
LOL yes you can sue everyone but do you know how much time it would be to sue every single person who’s downloading movies illegally? i can guarantee you it would be at least a decade to sue everyone. not only that but if someone has a wireless router you can’t even prove that someone isn’t stealing their internet and that the thieves are the one’s commiting infringement. additionally, not even all IP’s give their users these emails/letters. and even when they do generally it’s a warning with the most common worst case scenario is getting your internet cut off. the idea of court is laughable. the only thing any type of legal action would possibly do is scare people to stop downloading illegally. um…the RIAA tried that with napster. did it work? sure, maybe for a little while but n00bs are still using limewire for their music downloads xD
the MPAA, a much more powerful organization than the porn industry hasn’t succeeded. what makes you think you will
Don’t feed the troll.
[quote comment="163186"]Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served.[/quote]
That’s when you find out that the subscriber turns out to be a unemployed grandmother, and the only one who uses the computer in the house is her 12-year-old grandchild.
AND THEN IT MAKES THE NEWS. And not like RIAA and MPAA makes the news when this happens to them. Movies and Music are just trashy and violent — but YOU’RE THE PORN INDUSTRY, THE PEOPLE EVERYONE WANTS TO PROTECT THEIR KIDS FROM!
Suddenly, the government decides that regulation on the porn industry is not strong enough to protect kids, and comes crashing down on you.
- More 2257 regulation
- More health regulation — (barebacking isn’t that popular, anyway)
- Stronger adult verification of your customers
… oh, and I know …
- Since porn isn’t a “useful art” or “science” (the reason for copyright as stated in the Constitution), no copyright protection under the law
Yeah, go ahead!! Tell the world how the Porn industry is going to start using DMCA to get the personal information of Americans, perhaps even Children!
In fact — be REAL SMART about it and start making a big deal about it about a year before a major Presidential election.
The delicious irony will be to watch the porn industry screw itself.
[quote comment="163186"]You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.). Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches! Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)[/quote]
You do not understand. Bittorrent is not just for porn. Its for us who do not have direct or indirect access do content. For instance, I live in Guam. We have a lot of the same things as the Mainland US. But I cannot get all of the TV shows here. So I download them off EZTV. Another example is Jamendo. I get most of the my music from them through Bittorent. I really do not want people monitoring me while I download ANYTHING. That is considered an illegal wire tap. This is my private property and no one can look at it without a court order. I suggest you look at the electronic copyright act. As a network admin I have to deal with that. Just because they can see I download something does not mean they can act on it. Heck they would have to download it in order to find out what it is. What happens if it isn’t what they thought it was? Did they just infringe? yes. I hate these vigilantes that think they are above the law. Why don’t you go fuck yourself?
LOL at the GFY links.
Agreed with most of the posts above. The porn industry will not make any depression on torrents/p2p networks that would be remotely measurable.
Torrent/P2P networks are huge, they make up most of the Internet’s bandwidth and is very accessible to anyone with an Internet connection, which is (pure guess) like almost 1/6 of the Earth’s population. (again, pure guess, might be much lower than be guess, but still HUGE)
I also have to agree with some of the users from Digg, it is really not hard to get someone to do some sexual acts and them film it then distribute.
I love these two: “All you need is a $50 hooker, a dv camcorder and a dvdburner. the porn industry couldn’t lose money if it tried to.”
“The fight for that 4% will ruin the industry…”
As I have said in the other commenting section on the Porn industry, there is really nothing new as of content, like, nothing has changed.
Sure, technology has and distribution methods, but the same old nude bodies getting on, it’s not new.
That’s why I am no longer amused, or even “turned-on” by porn.
Anyway, they can’t for the sake of their dildos and lubes, they won’t “wipe out bittorrent”.
Unless they have the means of launching an EMP bomb onto the World’s Main Internet Servers.
IF something is created, there’s porn in it.
Torrentz doesn’t allow to search porn anymore. u have to type a porn title instead.
By trying to get rid of porn piracy will only make it more popular.
They’ll impress me when they shut down PureTnA, then they will get my attention. But…..its not going to happen, they might as well try and take down the internet itself, it will never happen. Like the “artists” that create porn can bring a better fight than the RIAA/MPAA. That’s fucking hilarious.
[quote comment="163301"]You do not understand. Bittorrent is not just for porn. Its for us who do not have direct or indirect access do content. For instance, I live in Guam. We have a lot of the same things as the Mainland US. But I cannot get all of the TV shows here. So I download them off EZTV. Another example is Jamendo. I get most of the my music from them through Bittorent. I really do not want people monitoring me while I download ANYTHING. That is considered an illegal wire tap. This is my private property and no one can look at it without a court order. I suggest you look at the electronic copyright act. As a network admin I have to deal with that. Just because they can see I download something does not mean they can act on it. Heck they would have to download it in order to find out what it is. What happens if it isn’t what they thought it was? Did they just infringe? yes. I hate these vigilantes that think they are above the law. Why don’t you go fuck yourself?[/quote]
Oh boo fucking hoo, you don’t get some of the shows you want to watch in Guam, contact your cable tv provider - but quit trying to justify your THEFT, jackass. And how hard do you think it would be to get a subpoena from your ISP with a screenshot of your IP as a peer on someones torrent containing copywritten material? I pray for the day when a bill is passed that requires distributors and/or websites providing access to distributors ( seeders ) to PROACTIVELY screen for COPYWRITTEN material. Theft is theft no matter how you try to justify it to yourself - for all that do, let me know when you’ll be gone so I can rob your house and sell all your shit to support my $1000/week escort service addiction. Come the fuck on…
[quote comment="163350"]
Oh boo fucking hoo, you don’t get some of the shows you want to watch in Guam, contact your cable tv provider - but quit trying to justify your THEFT, jackass. And how hard do you think it would be to get a subpoena from your ISP with a screenshot of your IP as a peer on someones torrent containing copywritten material? [/quote]
A..screenshot?
Yeah. Solid proof right there.
[quote comment="163209"]Don’t feed the troll.[/quote]
Come the fuck on yourself. I dare you the get me a subpoena, ask the site-admin for my ip address.
For years the (porn)industry milked the consumers with cassettes, vhs, dvd and now blu-ray and hddvd. Hell, the industry recycles everything. Now the same consumers find a way to get the same (and more) stuff for less, and suddenly all industries are complaining that the cow doesn’t give as much milk as she did before.
When you steal you take away something from somebody. When you copy something, the original product is still at it’s owner. And for your narrowed mind, some countries in this world actually have taxes for home-copying. Hell in my country it’s even allowed to download movies and music for home-use.
So come on, be a man and get me a subpoena or else shut the f up. It’s too ignorant that some people still think America is the only country in this world. Open your fucking eyes!
Finally something is getting the immoral pron industry.
Well, since some people here seem to be all about stopping BitTorrent and seeding a question needs to be asked. When is it illegal? All the time or just when you don’t own the right to the material?
I can use my self as an example. I pay for cable but I don’t have a device to record shows when I’m not at home. And I think we can all agree that it is legal to record shows for your own use. So instead I use a private BitTorrent site. They have a good request system that makes it possible for me to ask them to record the material I want. Sure, it is not a 100% successful system, sometimes I don’t get the shows I wanted. But, most of the time it works great.
Question is, am I committing a crime? The uploader sort of does, but I still have the right to the material, don’t I? And that makes me able to download it, right? So screening wont work, since the “illegal” material is in fact legal. For me at least.
You can make the same example with porn. If you have paid for the right to use a site, downloading compiled material from that site, on a torrent tracker, should still be legal.
So instead of bitching, moaning and making threats, why not try to use the medium to your own advantages???
[quote comment="163461"]When is it illegal? All the time or just when you don’t own the right to the material?[/quote]
Clearly the country you live in dictates the laws to which you are required to adhere but generally, it’s the unauthorized distribution (uploading) of copyright works which causes the legal problems.
[quote comment="163461"]Question is, am I committing a crime? The uploader sort of does, but I still have the right to the material, don’t I? [/quote]
Presuming you are a US resident and that you aren’t torrenting pre-release movies, you aren’t committing a ‘crime’ as such but it could be considered a civil offense, unless you have specific permission from the copyright holder to distribute (upload) his material. AFAIK, there’s no real legal difference between an original or subsequent seeder or indeed someone just uploading during the course of downloading as is normal with BitTorrent.
Hope that helps
Yawn, this is ballony. There are too many sources for bittorent porn to make a difference. PiratePorn Forever.
Ummm… they’ll take my porn from my cold, dead hands?
That doesn’t sound heroic, does it?
So, “US porn” is going to get less free advertising ?
The “non US” porn companies must be thrilled.
More “exposure” for them.
Pun intended. ;)
The RIIA and MPAA’s exuberance about its ability to wipe out BitTorrent by enlisting the porn industry is nothing but a wet dream.
lol @ death to torrents……ya might as well start flapping your arms and try to fly to the moon…! MUCH more chance of you doing that than stopping torrents or filesharing. I’ve been sharing from the day I got a internet connection and I’ll be sharing all my life……and reading punks like you whinging makes my day……The POOR movie stars/directors/porn stars/agents…….could only get 18 carat gold toilets in their private jets,instead of 22 carat……all because of us pirates BOO-HOO!!
There’s only a few sites (two that I know of) that index porn nzb’s, because they have to be completely free due to Paypal restrictions. That’s why Newzbin is divided into two separate sites. Binsearch can also provide porn nzb’s because they are totally free. If they did shut down those two sites it would slow down the easy distribution of porn. Here’s why:
1) Most of the content on the big porn torrent sites is non-scene, therefore it’s not trickling down from 0day torrent sites, it’s coming from usenet.
2) There are so many porn binary groups that you almost much HAVE to use nzb’s. Unless of course, you like downloading hundreds of thousands of headers or paying for some dick lick super search service.
Maybe it’s good that they will be cracking down a little, piracy is becoming way too easy for any old n00b using torrents.
Some people just can’t get enough….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOFTQpNhsWE&eurl=
Ill find out your IP come to your house with guns rob the place and blow your brains out fuck hole.
[quote comment="163350"][quote comment="163301"]You do not understand. Bittorrent is not just for porn. Its for us who do not have direct or indirect access do content. For instance, I live in Guam. We have a lot of the same things as the Mainland US. But I cannot get all of the TV shows here. So I download them off EZTV. Another example is Jamendo. I get most of the my music from them through Bittorent. I really do not want people monitoring me while I download ANYTHING. That is considered an illegal wire tap. This is my private property and no one can look at it without a court order. I suggest you look at the electronic copyright act. As a network admin I have to deal with that. Just because they can see I download something does not mean they can act on it. Heck they would have to download it in order to find out what it is. What happens if it isn’t what they thought it was? Did they just infringe? yes. I hate these vigilantes that think they are above the law. Why don’t you go fuck yourself?[/quote]
Oh boo fucking hoo, you don’t get some of the shows you want to watch in Guam, contact your cable tv provider - but quit trying to justify your THEFT, jackass. And how hard do you think it would be to get a subpoena from your ISP with a screenshot of your IP as a peer on someones torrent containing copywritten material? I pray for the day when a bill is passed that requires distributors and/or websites providing access to distributors ( seeders ) to PROACTIVELY screen for COPYWRITTEN material. Theft is theft no matter how you try to justify it to yourself - for all that do, let me know when you’ll be gone so I can rob your house and sell all your shit to support my $1000/week escort service addiction. Come the fuck on…[/quote]
Maybe you missed this memo, or nobody told you but um… it isn’t illegal to download TV yet guy.
Fuck you FOAD.
tv torrents aint illegal
[quote comment="163186"]You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.). Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches! Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)[/quote]
Teacher, you forgot to give us homework!
[quote comment="163539"][quote comment="163186"]You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.). Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches! Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)[/quote]
Teacher, you forgot to give us homework![/quote]
HAHAHHAHAAHA!!
The porn industry will get far less support and attention in the media and the court system than the record industry has received. And it should be clear that the latter is basically losing its ass because of the strong-arm tactics against individuals. They are encouraging people to steal with their own greedy methods.
The only solution to illegal copying and distribution is to make a product of such a high quality, including packaging and extras, that a person would prefer to spend money than get it free. The fact the product is basically worthless (a piece of overpriced plastic with garbage content) is why people are comfortable ripping and downloading.
Network transit providers are covered by “common carrier” laws in most countries. They cannot be sued for anything that traverses their network.
They don’t have a leg to stand on; this is just a bunch of conjecture by a bunch of people who don’t know the law.
Whats the big deal with torrent sites. I like getting my files from there. Its free and easy and fast. Why should I have to pay for a program these days? Really. I think if you are going to use a program for personal use, it should be free in most cases. If you are planning on distributing the program for companies, then charge the big boys. Regarding movies that are illegal… they should be free as well. The entire movie industry makes way too much money. Celebrities and musicians who are featured in illegal content should shut their mouths and remember how much money they already make. Why do they need to make more. I would understand and agree to pay for stuff, if lets say the proceeds went to better ideas like education and scientific advancement, not to support the easy, laid back lifestyles of celebrities.
Seriously, even tho it is almost impossible to stop Torrents (let’s not go into details), i think it would be awesome if torrents actually got killed. Read on, please, do not flame me. Remember how when P-2-P started it was pretty basic, with one computer sending files directly to another computer. Well, when Napster got killed, Torrents evolved. If you compare technologies, Torrent is way better and way faster and way way way, well … better! Now, using same theory, if something happened to Torrents, then the smart programmers will have to think something better! And by better i mean faster, lighter, easier to use, more widespread network (hell, my cellphone is online24/7, use that!), less traceable, …
You get the idea.
This will just spurn more amateur content and new ways to distribute porn. Maybe we can ask Al Gore what we should invent next?
Porn forever! -AnusJuice.com
The world is too concentrated on the wrong things. I can’t believe people are wasting their time caring about who downloads movies and music from torrent sites. Why not waste your time worrying about how the US is falling behind in the world. Our jobs are being sent to other countries, our children are being raised with lower expectation levels and less education when compared with, lets say Japan or India, and this torrent issue to some, means more. What the hell is wrong with some of you people?
Daemon has a good point. Evebtually, as time goes on, there will be better ways to get your content. Torrent is one of the best ways we have now, but in the future, as the internet evolves, there will be more and more ways to get your stuff. I dont think anyone will be able to stop someone from uploading some file to some server somewhere in the world. Just saying that sentence should re-assure you how big the internet is, how fast its growing, and how hard it is to control it. They will not be able to control the torrent industry. They tried with Suprnova and Audiogalaxy, you see what happened. Now, its available in more places with faster speeds and its even easier to get it now. Not to mention you can change your IP address willingly by disconnecting yourself everynight while you sleep. If enough time goes by, I think your lease will expire and you will be given a new IP address. Am I wrong?
Man they can shut down any site or server they want, but guess what for every site or server they shut down 5+ come up in its place. Plus every time people like to mess with Bit Torrent we as coders and developers find was around all the blocks. This is the one P2P network that is here to stay and will always evolve as the years go by.
[quote comment="163577"]Man they can shut down any site or server they want, but guess what for every site or server they shut down 5+ come up in its place. Plus every time people like to mess with Bit Torrent we as coders and developers find ways around all the blocks. This is the one P2P network that is here to stay and will always evolve as the years go by.[/quote]
It is ironic that Usenet started around the same era that I, Larry Flynt was fighting for the GFY guy’s rights to produce porn. The largest industry that had to fight censorship is now attempting to reverse it.
Post number 84 by StickyFingerz sums it up perfectly (smart/realistic guy). While VG’s reply (number 89) basically proves that complete idiots can run a business in the porn industry.
Did the porn sites just said that their movies contain child porn? That’s why they want the trackers to stop tracking them?
Just a thought - if I know that the certain porn producers are responsible for closing , what’s the chance I’ll do business with them? Buy their movies? Or pay for their troyan-infested porn sites?
There’s no way porn execs know what an nzb is, or usenet for that matter.
Give me a break.
[quote comment="163156"]I was reading some academic journal last week (seriously) about how the porn industry is struggling to evolve with the times, although they have previously led a number of technical revolutions — this is proof that like the MPAA, RIAA and other legitimate media companies (not saying pr0n isn’t legit - but come on, it’s not the same thing - their library doesn’t gain value year to year - it loses value, because who really wants to pay money for porn from the 80s? No one.), porn doesn’t get it.
If they think that trying to take on the interweb and off-shore usenet groups is the solution to gaining back that 4% they are allegedly losing, they might as well just move out of the San Fernando Valley now and get out of the business entirely.[/quote]
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Usenet/NZB is infinitely safer than torrents for the end-user. Torrents both give them your IP address and proof that you are uploading. There is a meaningful legal distinction between downloaders and uploaders.
If everyone switched to Usenet then the MPAA/RIAA would have to come up with a new game.
What’s copyrighted and licensed in one country, is legally non-existant in all the others. Whether it’s television, movies, music or porn no one can do jack if it’s not even in the same country, let alone the same hemisphere.
The industries (all of them) are dead set against globalization, which is the biggest advantage the internet community has. Blue collar stupidity FTW
[quote comment="163350"][quote comment="163301"]You do not understand. Bittorrent is not just for porn. Its for us who do not have direct or indirect access do content. For instance, I live in Guam. We have a lot of the same things as the Mainland US. But I cannot get all of the TV shows here. So I download them off EZTV. Another example is Jamendo. I get most of the my music from them through Bittorent. I really do not want people monitoring me while I download ANYTHING. That is considered an illegal wire tap. This is my private property and no one can look at it without a court order. I suggest you look at the electronic copyright act. As a network admin I have to deal with that. Just because they can see I download something does not mean they can act on it. Heck they would have to download it in order to find out what it is. What happens if it isn’t what they thought it was? Did they just infringe? yes. I hate these vigilantes that think they are above the law. Why don’t you go fuck yourself?[/quote]
Oh boo fucking hoo, you don’t get some of the shows you want to watch in Guam, contact your cable tv provider - but quit trying to justify your THEFT, jackass. And how hard do you think it would be to get a subpoena from your ISP with a screenshot of your IP as a peer on someones torrent containing copywritten material? I pray for the day when a bill is passed that requires distributors and/or websites providing access to distributors ( seeders ) to PROACTIVELY screen for COPYWRITTEN material. Theft is theft no matter how you try to justify it to yourself - for all that do, let me know when you’ll be gone so I can rob your house and sell all your shit to support my $1000/week escort service addiction. Come the fuck on…[/quote]
Did you go fuck yourself, yet? Because guess what? A lot of shows are not available here. No Satellite and the cable sucks. And ABC and Fox likes to block us from their streaming site. CBS allows me to access them and I do. I know this isn’t an excuse but I pay $65 for internet from the cable company. And I have every station they provide. And I still do not like illegal wire taps or vigilantes. Let the police be the police.
An easier and much more effective way to kill the pirates is with cannonballs and scurvey.
Kidding.
Actually, the best way would be to just use 1000’s upon 1000’s of dedicated servers to upload ever changning viruses to pirate sites perpetually.
For the same reason that mines are deadly in warfare, so too would ripping off content.
Simply fuck up hard drives, one after the other.
@Foad, if you care so much about my cable provider so much, then please bug them to lower the price and give me more stations here in Guam. Heck try and live here. Until then stop whining about bittorrent. Your probably a Hypocrite like that Senator Craig. I bet you download infringing material.
Once again, what is the major problem with using torrents to download stuff for personal use. I dont even think it should illegal to download an OS, let alone a song or movie. The corporation make soo much money from distributing their products to companies. Everything should be like Google, free. BTW, speaking of which, Google is offering free phone service and free phone numbers on top of all the other services they offer. Any reason why more things aren’t just given away for personal use?
What the fuck is wrong with all of you? Why don’t people demand that salaries be reduced to normal wage.. why are CEOs getting paid so much? A porn dvd costs over 20-30 dollars, when it takes cents to manufacture…
People dont mind paying for shit.. if its FUCKING priced correctly.. im surprised all you fuckers are happy with bringing down piracy..WHICH is the only thing..the public can do.. to help diminish the salaries of all these execs..who are getting paid way too much money.. all you fuckers on this board..are prbbly making under 120k…dont you ever wonder..why the fuck your ceo..or senior staff..is getting paid way more than you..just to manage and strategize your ass?? fuck..all you guys’..love living life in the mouse maze..enjoy the cheese you fucking tards.who support high salaries..and a high cost to consumers..
little late\early for april fools…
I forgot where I was going with this. I hate supporting people who make too much as it is. I dont care, if you are making $20 million a movie or an album, then be happy with that and stop worrying about everyone downloading your film or music for free. The US is the only country where we look at life this way, as if it is ok. Torrents should always be available to download whatever you want and as much of it as wanted. Period!
Fucking Metallica had to start this shit way back when….
[quote comment="163197"][quote]…Piratebay is hiding in Sweden because they know pretty much anywhere else they would get escorted to a cell with Bubba for recreation for the next few years. Again, shows a consciousness of guilt. If they thought they were right, they wouldn’t be hiding under the ice in Sweden.[/quote]
Ha, someone is hiding because they base their web site in their own country?[/quote]
you know who else tried that? RIAA
did it work? no
what was the end result? total backlash from music lovers a.k.a. customers
what kind of nonsense is this . rather than stop porn piracy , it will be better to just stop porn .
Rules 1 and 2!
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futile.. but it is entertaining in its own right. seems every1 has forgotten the darknets… porn will never be extinguished from the web. we are the grandfather of 99% of all files u see on any p2p sites and their is no way that any group will stop us. they waste their time/money/efforts on a fruitless task instead of trying to come up with ways to sell more… ie. reducing costs of dics. ($30 for a pr0n dvdr?! r u fuckin kiddin?) anyways… off to the next pre.
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The NZB site they talk of in plan A isn’t binsearch or newzbin. It’s a usenet posting community, ie. they post the actual content.
Taking it down wouldn’t change things as their main source is actually private bittorrent. The bittorrent site source is direct from scene, good luck taking the scene down.
I know this having spoke to some of the guys there.
Why is it that when someone wants to shut something down on the internet, its always OMG CHILD PORN!@
I dunno why, but that piece of teh article jumped out at me.
Like some comedian out there, talking about censorship.. he commented about people trying to stop somethign, and then went, “oh, but should we allow child porn? That’s what you’re saying!” As if we don’t censor teh internet, we are excusing child porn. How dose THAT happen?!
When you try to create terror, induce terror, to get things your way, you are just digging yourself into a hole. OMG THE TERRORISTS MAY BOMB THE AIRPORTS!! Its sensationalistic journalism, and its doing nothing but hurting this country. And this person’s rationale is NOT helping matters…
Why is everyone after TPB? I mean is this their illusion of a centralized bittorrent? These anti-piracy people need to get their collective head out of their collective ass. I mean this is the reason why bittorent has not gone the way of Napster. Billions of bittorent users equals billions of ‘central’ points like Napster. And everyone remembers the drawn out court battle for Napster. Multiply that with the amount of bittorent users and you get over a 100 years of court cases. Meanwhile wasting the court’s time and losing a lot of money on the failed cases. This will only go the way of the witch hunts. Kind of a Mafiaa inquisition.
Quoting Digg users to prove a point? Wow. Apparently you don’t know much about Digg users. EVERY one of the comments that you references were extremely inaccurate. Digg users are nothing but kids who act like experts on everything despite being experts on nothing.
Long live to BitTorrent!
HAHAHAHAHA
THey are talking about dropping off DMCA notices at SWEDISH embassies!!!!!!
DMCA IS AN AMERICAN LAW! It has NO authority in the Kingdom oF Sweden, GOOD JOB MORONS.
I personally feel that the costs involved with taking down piracy is more then their expected profit increases.
I for one wont pay $20-$30 / DVD let alone go into a porn shop. A cd cost mere cents to produce, and dvd’s not much more.
It’s nearly the same as recording it on your TiVo, or DVR to watch later. Or record on a VHS tape.
The only way to end Piracy is to End that which is being Pirated.
Anyone could record a video onto their PC from any video producing source (VCR/DVD Player/etc…), and then edit it into a Divx file, and distribute.
INTERESTING FACT:
Its not illegal to:
participate in, film, distribute, or watch Porn
It is ILLEGAL to mail via USPS (United States Postal Service)
Wait, companies who exploit women into having sex on camera..?
95% of porn webmasters do struggle to get their monthly 800$ revenue from affiliate comissions ( the strange numbers you see in the porn links are their affiliate id ). They feel very sad when some *** steal their money by sharing stolen content.The big porn companies don’t give a fuck actually- Some of them do make money with advertising on torrent sites !
Forgive my engrish
Actually, the proposals that have been put forward here, how to shut down bit-torrent sites, runs into a couple of problems.
Firstly is Net Neutrality. Basically, shunning a network is considered anti-competitive in the United States today because of freedom of speech legislation (imagine if someone was promoting the evils of the Bush administration, and the Bush Administration just told a US based backbone to pull the plug so no one could see it. No, the American government is not above that hence their current Net Neutrality push, and why they see it as important… other than also allowing large corporate telcos to victimize the little guys, America is all for that too).
And secondly, shut down one Internet technology and another, more complicated, more distributed, more mongrelly solution pops up with better search options and data through-put exascerbating the original situation. It all fails to deal with the original problem that current content distribution methods are lousy backed by a worthless after sales support (ruined your CD? Buy another one. New licensing fee. Oh, you made a backup before you destroyed it? Pay us $10,000 for infringing our copyright too).
Rip off your customers consistently for a few decades and of course they are going to rebel and demand everything for nothing
Well,
the porn indistry can wipe bittorrents ass.
I heard this is one of their specialities.
:)
It’s not illegal to mail porn via US Post office provided your recipient requests it and it’s discretely packaged. If it was, this outfit would be out of business so dang fast…This is the Netflix of the Porn Industry: Wanted List.
http://www.wantedlist.com/?wlaid=adwords
The torrent industry helps porn
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A little food for thought
1) You can’t send a DMCA compliant C&D notice to a Tier One Network carrier for an endpoint (user/BT Client) whose Public IP is part of another networks range. What are you going to do attach a traceroute output? How are you even sure that the packets with infringing payloads are traveling a specific backbone route. Packets behave more like electrons vis a vis Heisenberg uncertainty principle (http://tinyurl.com/kofm5). So the DMCA spam will be meaningless. Who will blackhole who. Network admits set your filters to vaporize!
2) Now if the local network owners ILEC’s (DSL & FTTP) and Cable Operators decided that piracy was a threat to VOD revenue growth, then they will be apt to blocking IP addresses that have been identified as hosting or facilitating copyright infringing material. You may scream Net Neutrality, but the RIAA, MPAA, et. al., plus the USTA & NCTA have quite a bit of sway in DC. Sure there would plenty of workarounds…but if they can stem the vast majority John Q. Downloader activity by say blocking thepiratebay.org and the associated Public IPs from their network plus so many more puveying and tracking torrent swarms with confirmed infringing material, they have fighting chance at taking a chunk out of piracy, at least on their distribution network.
That is, As soon as the Telco/Cable complex decide that piracy is bad for their business (think high growth video on demand) they will start to block access to “known” infinging IPs and domains which will have an impact on consumption of pirated material.
The big boys will always get their money…their shareholders demand it!
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I’m a pornographer and have been for 30 years. I run a pornsite and sell to magazines, DVDs, pornsites, etc. So here is my take on this.
Firstly my content (porn I produce) is my property. That means I get to say how it’s used. If you disagree with me please contact me and I will come to your place of work and steal what you produce.
Torrent/Tube sites are able to give away content because they don’t pay for it and they don’t pay for the traffic to get people to their sites. But they are there to make money, they are not a charity. How would they feel if someone hijacked their traffic? Or would that be wrong?
I beleive the porn consumer no longer wants to pay the prices offered for a 30 day porn site membership, but will many pay something for porn consumption. This can be PPV or low cost mini sites. The people who want can consume the free porn we put up as samples. Or they can boast they get it for free. = Steal it. Maybe they would feel put out if they were facing losing their job if someone was stealing their work.
There is here a lot of misleading info. The cost of duplicating a DVD is not mere cents on the numbers required. Figure in the cost of the master as well. However this is a fraction of the cost. Cost of production, shipping and retail has to be added. Nike make a shirt for $1 in the Far East, so can I walk into their stores and steal one? Think of this in relationship to your jobs and wage packet.
Mailing porn across State lines can get you in trouble with the law in the US, go do some research.
We do not pay porn actresses $50, more like $500 and up to $2,000 per scene. So much for them being exploited. LOL Or use crack whores. The reasons are too obvious to even state, think about it for few minutes.
We are not rying to get rid of porn, we are trying to earn a living selling it. Is that so wrong?
You can also use the excuse “They make so much money they will not miss it”
Tell that to the shop assistant about to lose his or her job because people are stealing from the company she works for. Imagine your reaction if your boss came to you and said, “Sorry but we are going to have to cut staff because so many people are stealing from us” What would you think of the people stealing from the company you work for?
Stealing does have consequences. Put yourself in the position of the person suffering from theft. Maybe as an employee of a company, even billionaires have people working for them. The rich don’t suffer, the guy working for him might.
i can almost feel empathy for ur argument… but fact of the matter is… it isnt going to stop.. nor are you going to stop it
lifes a bitch.
No need for generic porn when there’s loads of webcam (user generated content anyone?) stuff up there in usenet. Not to mention porn that is not produced in U.S. but in other countries. I am sure they will get their revenue boost. NZB sites arent a big threat especially since they are small and slow. Most users can use searches instead to create their own NZB or directly through client programs.
Cheers!
GoNZB.com
Professional porn is crap anyway. If it all suddenly disappeared from BitTorrent sites tomorrow, I for one wouldn’t care.
[quote comment="165413"]You can also use the excuse “They make so much money they will not miss it”
Tell that to the shop assistant about to lose his or her job because people are stealing from the company she works for. Imagine your reaction if your boss came to you and said, “Sorry but we are going to have to cut staff because so many people are stealing from us” What would you think of the people stealing from the company you work for?
Stealing does have consequences. Put yourself in the position of the person suffering from theft. Maybe as an employee of a company, even billionaires have people working for them. The rich don’t suffer, the guy working for him might.[/quote]
Your argument is bogus. Making a copy of something does not constitute stealing. Here’s a better analogy:
I see someone wearing a Nike shirt that I like. I make a drawing of it, take some measurements, then proceed to go home and make a shirt for myself based on the Nike design, which I wear but never sell or profit from in any way. The original is still intact. Nike does not get $30 from me, but I am not about to shed a tear because even if I didn’t have the skill to make a shirt like that for myself, I would never have paid the $30 to buy one from Nike. I simply would have gone without.
Making a copy of something is not, and has never been, stealing.
I’ll have to admit, I didn’t read every post, so I hope nobody has already mentioned this, but:
If you do the math, the porn industry says they lose 4%, or 2 billion dollars, every year. If you do the math, the money grubbing bastards are whining about the fact they only get to keep 48 billion dollars a year, due to piracy. 48 billion…..
The US porn industry has never exactly had a surplus of intelligent people, but this has to be one of their more stupid stunts.
Deliberately drawing extra attention to themselves when so many want to see them shut down altogether.
Sexually exploiting the young daughters of America for personal profit, oh yeah, sure way to win friends & influence people.
Please support our fight against those evil file sharers, we may be GANG FUCKING YOUR YOUNG DAUGHTER UP THE ASS & filming it for all to see, but please don’t take it personally, we paid her well, NOW SHE CAN AFFORD LOTS OF DRUGS.
Fools with a death wish, they’d shut up & duck their heads if they were smart & recognised what’s good for them. It wont take much thought for people to recognise it’s not their masturbating sons downloading a file that are the real problem here.
They pull this crap and I’ll stop watchin their fuckin porn and beating off :P
You have fucking got to be kidding me. The PORN industry thinks they’ll get the justice department all excited over the chance to sue the guys they claim are putting PORN out of business?
This IS the same Justice Dept that regularly sues various and sundry porn sites/studios to put THEM out of business?
What planet do these fools live on?
Of all the stupid shit I”ve heard, this tops it all.
porn = gross.
this is why I search for torrents on demonoid.
Haha.
I find this absolutely hilarious.
I’m Swedish myself, and a few years ago when I was threatened by the authorities, they ended up paying a fine to me for violating my civil rights and storing my IP for a non-just cause. See, we have rights in this country. And damn us if we don’t use them.
Our so called “Anti piracy agency” are in court right now for doing just that; Violating the civil rights of thousands of people by storing their IPs which is considered personal property here (much like your personal ID). The head of this organization is risking years in prison - all because he wanted to bust a 16 year old kid pulling his pud to Jenna Jamesons lovesnatch.
I’m a Usenet guy myself, and currently leeching about 100-150gb/month. And no one can do shit about it.
Well, this made my day.
[quote comment="168076"]Professional porn is crap anyway. If it all suddenly disappeared from BitTorrent sites tomorrow, I for one wouldn’t care.[/quote]
Maybe, all torrent downloaders should just turn this all around.
As I surf the net I find that free webcam porn is way more interesting than the legit porn sites.
So, if we all sent complaint letters to the ISP’s about porn sites operating commercially and demanded that they be blocked, would this hurt the porn industry….you betcha!!
This would then (I guess) encourage more webcamers to make their own (non-commercial) porn, which would be more interesting than the shit the current porn industry serves up to pirates or legit customers.
I hate to guess how many users globally are on the internet, but numbers like that surely would have a voice if someone could manage to organize it (perhaps someone like Google).
Just my 2 cents worth!!
If that projected 4% of revenue stays flat, then that’s not bad at all. From a sheer marketing/branding/advertising p.o.v. 4% for that kind of exposure is pretty good.
But seriously, if they just sent a letter to PTNA, then that studio’s work would be off the tracker. And you don’t even have to hire a lawyer for that. Lots of money savers here.
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I hate to say this, but if anything can take down the torrent industry (if thats what it is) on its own, its hackers, virus uploaders and many other things that just happen to be on the wrong side of the law. File sharing is a powerful way of spreading information, and I would describe it as computer communism. Capitalists (governments, big corporations) that are only interested in money want to get rid of something so powerful, but they dont realise that by creating all thier power-restricting laws and polices, theyve restricted themselves from being able to fight us.
I used to know people who d/led games illegally. (these people magically had the same name, age, height,home, and body as me ;)) Theyve stopped now because now, every time they look up a new game, there will be at least three wil in excess of a thousand seeds that will stop at 99% forever. Everyone thinks that its hackers or idiots who think its funny, but i think its someone out there working to deter people from torrents. think about it, if the first time you ever down loaded something, it stopped on 99.9% for three days you would never do it again.
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this is some of the most retarded stuff ive ever read i especially like some of their “solutions” at least 2 of their solutions are illegal in north america and as stated by many other people already here its global its a peer to peer so unless your gonna shut off the internet to your country in which case it becomes the country wide web LOL and would end up causeing most other countries to hate you and fear you cause it seems liek your hiding something… well … it aint gonna happen anyway this whole thing is retarded has anybody else noticed the usa is causing a LOT of big stirs and problems in the last 10-15 years? if its not one thing its another its lieka big celebrity LOOKIT ME EVERYONE!
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