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Jail For File-Sharing Not Enough, Labels Want ISP-Level Spying Regime

From October, knowingly uploading or simply downloading copyrighted material from the Internet will be a criminal offense subject to jail sentences in Japan. But despite now having the ultimate deterrent, it’s still not enough for the Recording Industry Association of Japan. The group is now pressing for ISPs to install spying technologies that will automatically block unauthorized uploads.

Earlier this week, Japan approved an amendment to its Copyright Law that will soon give the authorities the power to jail Internet users for up to two years for simply downloading copyright material.

Uploading copyright material has been illegal for some time, but the criminalization of downloading has caused some to worry whether simply viewing a pirate music video on YouTube could render people liable to prosecution.

Understandably this kind of talk has the potential to lead to a climate of fear among Internet media consumers, but if that leads to increased sales at authorized outlets rightsholders won’t be too disappointed. In fact, after lobbying hard for this tough copyright law amendment, that will be very much “mission accomplished.”

Not surprisingly though, even the toughest of sanctions aren’t going to stop the big recording labels coming back for more mechanisms to protect their interests. And that they have.

Several music rights groups including the Recording Industry Association of Japan say they have developed a system capable of automatically detecting unauthorized music uploads before they even hit the Internet. In order to do that though, Internet service providers are being asked to integrate the system into their networks.

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The system works by spying on the connections of users and comparing data being uploaded to the Internet with digital fingerprints held in an external database. As can be seen from the diagram, the fingerprinting technology employed is from GraceNote, with intermediate systems provided by Copyright Data Clearinghouse (CDC).

Once a match is found, rightholders want ISPs to automatically block the allegedly infringing content. But according to one report, there may even be requests to send out warning letters to uploaders. If implemented this would amount to the most invasive “3 strikes” style regime anywhere in the world.

The system is being promoted as a benefit to ISPs, in the sense that once installed (and licensed at a cost of around $600 per month) they can potentially avoid being held liable for copyright infringements carried out by their customers. Whether not having it installed will save ISPs from privacy invasion lawsuits remains to be seen.

Rightsholders have tried to get service providers to install this kind of system before, most notably resulting in the legal battle between music rights group SABAM and Belgian ISP Scarlet. That case ended in 2011 with the European Court of Justice declaring that spying on Internet users would breach their privacy and violate the fundamental rights of both the ISP and its subscribers.

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  • Steve Smith

    Yea they want ISP level spying which is very expensive and they want ISP’s to pay for it.
    “Several music rights groups including the Recording Industry Association of Japan say they have developed a system capable of automatically detecting unauthorized music uploads before they even hit the Internet”
    how does it know if its unauthorized? its almost impossible to tell less they listen to it.

    • djnforce9

      Yup, that’s typical entertainment industry garbage requests. Basically it comes down to them saying “YOU do our job for us (i.e. protect our intellectual property) but you and your subscribers also have to pay for it as well”. Completely outrageous and hopefully gets shot down like all the other futile attempts at this nonsense Benefits nobody except for these dinosaur industries..

      • Athox

        The Japanese are very respectful towards authority. You shouldn’t take for granted that this will be shot down. In fact, it’s more likely to be accepted than not.

        And if that’s not proof that these industry idiots will always add more stuff if anything gets approved, I don’t know what else to do to convince people that even the smallest “fix” is a BAD idea.

        Btw, if I did steal a car, the manufacturer doesn’t lose money. But we should probably pay them because they didn’t secure their product well enough. In fact, we should force every car to have an uplink to the manufacturer so that the manufacturer can check that the car isn’t being driven outside of its normal route to and from work.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          The Japanese need to stop being ‘very respectful of authority’. Bottom line in the real world is that 90% of the time the ‘authority’ is wrong on the subject at hand or has manipulated the evidence to make them appear that they are right.

        • WilkersonJesse

          Unless you’re a freegan and have found a way to live entirely off the grid, you probably need some sort of steady income in order to survive. The traditional way to earn money, of course, is by having a job. But now a days you can earn money over Internet>>>>[300$ in a day or even more] ?????? Open The Link From my name to read the details

        • Ophelia Millais

          @google-6bb179a6b07a293b0dbe2e8887cdb03f:disqus - easier said than done in a country with a 99.7% conviction rate, forced confessions, no jury trials, no common/case law, and a penal system that looks like something out of a Dickens novel.

        • Alexander

          Me too I was very respectful of authorities until the corporatists took over or government but I am still very respectful of justice.

          So respectful in fact that I am ready to kill for it. Me too I believe that jail is not enough for the corporate criminals, banker, oil merchant or entertainers.

          I think we shall shoot them all like what we did to Ben Laden. After all these pieces of garbage already killed more people than him with the economic mess they caused. It is going to end up this way anyway.

           

        • kblack3

           Yeh cause stealing a car is the same as stealing a song ….. VERY POOR Example …. simple don’t want to get busted , don’t steal music/Movie’s etc. Theft is theft.

        • Iyqd

          The Japanese are very respectful towards authority
          Not this time

        • Iyqd

          @kblack3Theft is theft
          Trolling is trolling

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        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=536486708 Coal Miki-Restall

          The Japanese are not respectful to authority unless it’s within their in-group. They’re boss they’ll be respectful to, as they will their parents and grandparents. The police and similar authorities are looked down on like they’re dirt. That said, it is a bandwagon society, so the only ways ISPs are going to adopt this is if all the ISPs do so first.

      • Diosj

        Yeah it’s not like packing something in a zip file with a password would make this whole law useless or anything…

        Nooooooo…

    • Guest

      You’re right.

      Additionally if I am a musician without a label, my upload, even if its for free, won’t be “authorised” thus blocked.

      This would also cain foreign music and smaller labels.

      • Booyah

        If you’re not signed to a label, why would there even be a fingerprint for your release in the centralized database?  C’mon think people.

    • Glib

      Sore sure what kind of bandwidth they have in Japan, but I’d imagine it’s quite substantial.  The processing power required to scan my personal connection would be more than my current PC would likely be capable of.  I mean, even a moderate ISP would be processing many TB of data per minute … that’s downright insane.  Also, uploading your music to something like Dropbox (something I personally do pretty often as it syncs all my music devices at once) would not be allowed.

      I can’t even imagine how this would be possible, given a single packet wouldn’t likely be enough to find a signature, and your computer / connection is sending an array of packets with varying levels of information.  That’d be a lot of queuing packets, and lots of CPU power to handle it.

    • Guest

      “The system works by spying on the connections of users and comparing data being uploaded to the Internet with digital fingerprints held in an external database”

      Put infringing content in zip or rar file
      Bye-bye fingerprint.

      The data base doesn’t even need to be corrupted for this to fail.

      • Danny

        Or if its a video or audio file (like most of the ‘infringing’ content) a quick re-encode and the fingerprint is also foobar.

        • blah

          I think the fingerprints are designed specifically so they’re not degraded by such processes. The only way to get rid of the fingerprint is if you have a fingerprint free file and compare it with a fingerprinted file. The encrypted zip file method would be the easiest method of bypassing the ISP filters.

      • blargo

        Even better: use SSL.

    • Anarket

      I suppose it’s tme to kick some Jap ass again.

      • Guest

         What by dropping an atomic bomb on them?

        • Danny

          Could do, it worked before.

    • Guest

      Not only that but if you see the example of u tube these fucking current audio finger print algorithm does not even work!  

    • Guru

      As can be seen from the diagram…
      LOL

  • golden55

    Does anyone remember the tool that adds a couple of filler bits to the end of any file so as to change it’s fingerprint while at the same time keeping it intact for playback? Would be a nice tool to overcome this spying.

    • Rallias

      At that point you may as well develop Bittorrent over SSL

      • Danny

        The BT protocol is already encrypted and you require the protocol to be able to see the entire downloaded file in order to be able to derive its ‘fingerprint’.

        • Rallias

          Oh durpie durp. Weak encryption is something we should all ENDORSE. Just something to throw off the trail of ISP’s throttlers.

          BT’s protocol is encrypted based on the hash of the torrent. All the ISP has to do is listen to connections to and from bittorrent trackers before they can listen into your data.

          On the flip side, SSL is negotiated by the clients, not with a key known to both parties until into the negotiation, and not with a key the ISP can easily derive.

    • djnforce9

      Don’t even need to go that far. Just zip the file and then upload it that way. There’s no way their database is so comprehensive that it covers the original file and all levels of compression of said media.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Hit the nail on the head. Just upload something, use a password on the thing, and encrypt the filenames.

      • danielravennest

         Dont forget to toss in a random text file along with the media file when you make the zip file, so each compressed version will be different.

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  • Trespass

    Do they have the death penalty in Japan?  God, I hope not or the MAFIAA will push for that!! Much Ado about a bunch of zeros and ones…

    • Shitgun

      Bring it on – they won’t stop at the death penalty: look forward to them lobbying for the summary execution of the downloader, the downloader’s family (including unborn children), the downloader’s neighbours, pets and perishable foodstuffs.

      Maybe then the wider public will see big content for what it really is.

      • JohnGaspardo

        So…What am i supposed to do about it? Maybe ill vote in the sham elections and Obama or Romney or any one of the other elected crooks can just sell us down the river(shit creek) again. Fascist Police State here we go again. This carnival ride just gets better every-time I ride it LOL 

    • Blah

      They do have the death penalty, and it’s by hanging too.  They have special hanging rooms with everything mathematically determined to kill a person in a single drop.

  • Anonymous

    In other news: Japanese government bans VPNs, TOR proxy network, SSH tunneling as well as any other transit based encryption.

    Newspapers headlines that day: “Japan officially worse than China”

  • Daniel

    I was listening to this awesome sound-track from inception.. time by hans zimmer, i then checked to see what’s new in torrent world and, after i read the article, the first thing that i came to my mind was: with “time” even ©Trolls will die. OTOH, it’s suck to be the ISP.

  • Guest

    I can imagine the chaos this will cause if this is implemented in the US and it could happen as there will be some copyright holders who will argue that if they can do this in Japan then they can do it here in the US. If this were implemented in the US then where will all these copyright infringes (according to the copyright holders) be housed once all jails are full.

    • Steve Smith

       ISP’s there probably fight this tooth and nail, I know for sure an ISP in the US will. 1. pissing with customers privacy is never a good idea. 2. mpaa/riaa won’t want to pay a dime for equipment and expect the ISP to foot the bill which ISP will just tell them to piss off. 3. well encrypted connections for ppl that use torrents are used a lot more which makes spying a lot harder to do.

      • Booyah

        Actually, I imagine many ISPs in the USA will embrace this–especially larger one’s like Comcast.  Comcast has long complained that certain “power users” that they’ve insinuated are people sharing copyrighted material illegally were in effect hogging other consumer’s bandwidth and preventing them from offering unlimited data plans.  This sort of tool sort of solves their problem.  They can cut out all that traffic, still charge the same pricing scheme, and not have to innovate.  You can’t really complain about it because it will be the law, and all the competition will be doing it as well.  It seems like a no-brainer if your Comcast CEO.  I mean it’s just a $600 licensing fee?

        • Guest

           You mean they want to offer something, but not really deliver on their offer? These people are not consuming more than they contractually paid for.

          What they want is to sell your grandma a 100mbit up and downstream for lots of $$$ and then sell that same bandwidth to a dozen other people. They won’t use it all, right?

          Well some people do, and that is what they’re bitching about.

  • OccamsKatana

     I hear they have also perfected the anal speculum.  Pucker tight!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Maclovio-Williams/100002087191236 Maclovio Williams

    Shamefur dispray Japan, smh.

  • thedude321

    This scares the living crap outta me. Not japs too!!! I mean I get Americans doing stupid things…but Japs?? This has gone too far! :P

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Oh dear oh dear, the media fascists have now paid-off the Japanese politicians to ensure their precious goodies are severely limited to only those who can afford and are also willing to pay hard cash up front.

    The noble and honourable filesharing community in Japan now has to deal with the immoral and unethical attacks on their actions and good name as they strive to dodge more political bullets from greedy, anti-social and narrow-minded fools in their own damned Parliament.

    Time for a change in voting behaviour methinks = politicians beware, and not just in Japan either ffs!!

  • Steve Smith

    Most the media in question they are made about in japan is anime, well since ppl encode it themselves and upload how would finger print database work on those files they were just created? This is just another solution that don’t fix the problem and more then likely gonna cause much larger issues.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6WBUFO6LXWQB7AQ4CFFELGCRTQ Da Pratsta

    The Japanese should just let them do it….provided the RIAA, etc pay for ALL the costs up front then monthly. They’d change tack pretty quick

    • techanon

      There’s the thing, they also want to charge the ISP’s for it. $600 per month.

  • radioactive

    Pfft, won’t work.  7-Zip the content and add a password with AES-256

    • Zqscusfz

       ^ That.

      Good luck monitoring.

    • Enforcer

      Except that they can brute force it. AES-256 CAN BE BRUTE FORCED! So it is MOOT.

      • Anon1

        With a dictionary attack, with KNOWN WORDS. If you use a cryptographically secure pseudo-randomly generated 64-character password, it’s damn near impossible.

        Nothing could brute force a code like something on this page:

        https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm 

        Unless a flaw is found in the AES algorithm, which hasn’t happened yet.

        • Anon1

          Either way, adding a password changes the hash or “fingerprint” of the data and their database of copyrighted material is moot, not the encryption.

        • Guest

          “it’s damn near impossible.” for a typical computer for sure. However, do not forget… this is Japan we’re talking about. Most likely they have some extreme super computer which can brute force in a matter of minutes >.>

        • Anon1


          “it’s damn near impossible.” for a typical computer for sure. However, do not forget… this is Japan we’re talking about. Most likely they have some extreme super computer which can brute force in a matter of minutes >.>”

          Again, brute forcing relies on known words, aka a dictionary attack. Even with a supercomputer, it would take years to try every combination until they arrive at the 64-character psuedo-random passkey. At that point it’s not even worth it.

          I hate math, but lets do a bit to see how we would arrive there. Lets say your average modern day computer can try 1000 passwords per second. And this is without any fancy GPUs, this is solely relying on the CPU, which is a lot slower at hashing. Even for say, a password with up to 8 characters, there’s (2^26 + 3^26 + 4^26 + 5^26 + 6^26 +7^26 + 8^26) possible combinations of passwords that could be used. And that’s just for regular characters in the alphabet, nevermind numbers or special characters, which replaces the ^26 after each number to probably closer to 100 (for round numbers). I don’t even have to stick that in a calculator to tell you that’s a LOT of passwords. Also for round numbers, suppose a “supercomputer” could hash 1,000,000 passwords/second. That would still take YEARS with a dictionary brute force attack. And again this is assuming a password up to 8 characters long using non-dictionary words (i.e. random characters). The complexity sky-rockets if you have a password longer than 20 characters. At 64 characters, no amount of supercomputers or botnets crunching numbers 24/7 could brute force a password in any amount of time that would make it worthwhile.

          And my initial point remains: The whole point of adding the password/encryption is to change the hash. Nevermind if they can brute force it or not; if you change the hash, you change the “fingerprint” of the data, and then they have nothing to compare the “infringing” file to. That’s a lot more important than having a secure un-crackable password. 

        • Anon1

          Ok I went back and looked at the numbers. Let’s just say a simple google search can explain it better:

          http://www.eetimes.com/design/embedded-internet-design/4372428/How-secure-is-AES-against-brute-force-attacks- 

      • lawl

         ORLY?

      • gullevek

        So you want to brute force EVERY encrypted file just to check if music is inside?

        Japan would need to build some more super computers for that.

  • Johndo

    Wow this is really bad. follow op_japan on twitter. anonymous has just noticed this and is planning to take action already.  

    Not only is this a huge invasion of privacy and has a huge potential to have plenty of innocent people arrested. It’s unlikely it would even work, bypassing this type of monitoring is proally very simple, if its not, someone will find a way to make it so.

  • http://twitter.com/meekcritic Meek Critic

    I don’t know how to contact the Recording Industry Association of Japan so I’m going to reach out to them here. 

    Dear Honourable & Distinguished Representative of the Recording Industry Association of Japan,

    I have reviewed your proposition to the ISP’s in Japan and I’ve found a flaw in your copyright protection strategy.  The inclusion of gracenote, Copyright Data Clearinghouse, warning letters and jail time is a good start but it doesn’t prevent people from thinking about committing copyright infringement and most importantly, it doesn’t prevent people from thinking of ways to defeat your copyright protection strategy.

    In addition to what you have proposed, I believe it will be necessary to devise and quickly mass produce a small, unobtrusive microchip that will be implanted in the cranium of everyone who pays for an Internet connection.  Each microchip will contain a unique identifier that will allow you to identify each and every subscriber in Japan and eventually, in the whole world.

    These microchips must be equipped with micro antennas that will communicate with specially made modems and routers that will be issued by ISP’s.  These microchips will be programmed to identify deviant thoughts.  In your case, deviant thoughts would be any thought (lasting more than 3 seconds) that consists of either committing copyright infringement or bypassing copyright protection strategies.

    It’s important to create a microchip that will be initially accepted by the Japanese citizens, so at first the capability of these chips must not be too advanced.  Therefore, the first version of this microchip will only report deviant thoughts to a central database which you control.  You would then implement a “deviant thought warning system” in which warning letters are sent to guilty parties.  A subscriber will have their Internet access suspended if they have more than 3 deviant thoughts in a month. 

    Down the line, once the microchip has been accepted and it becomes seen as a way of life, you can roll out a firmware update that will increase the capabilities.  In addition to reporting deviant thoughts, version 2 will allow you to send a small jolt to the cranium of the guilty party.  This will allow you to issue a quick form of punishment that will make it clear that you mean business.

    Eventually, you may find it necessary to eliminate repeat offenders if it becomes clear that zapping them does not correct their deviant behaviour.  Please note that the death penalty is an acceptable form of punishment in several countries and clearly, copyright infringement is a serious crime so this form of copyright protection strategy will be accepted if enough persuasion is used.

    I have several more ideas about how to protect copyright and I can be contacted via twitter.  I look forward to working with you in the future.

    Regards

    • blah

      Please don’t give them ideas, although this isn’t a particularly original idea. In fact, I suspect you may well be plagiarising some poor sci fi writer’s work. Please hand yourself in to the authorities at once or do the honourable thing and commit seppuku.

  • Anonymous

     no one to blame but ourselves. when the fight against file sharing started, there was absolutely no recourse taken by anyone. we all said the same thing, ‘it will never happen, it wont get that far’. now everything has happened and it has gone that far. financially, ISPs, courts, you name it, they are paying. for every other type of cost, there are the customers. everyone is branded a criminal. everyone’s privacy means nothing. everyone’s freedoms mean nothing. if no one can see that the entertainment industries ultimate aim is total control of the internet, at someone/everyone else expense, you must be blind. think of the gains for them with none of the outlay or expense. the best communications and distribution network ever invented in their hands. no business could ask for let alone have anything better! and slowly but surely, governments and courts are allowing that to happen. what they expect to get in return, i dont know but i can tel you what they’ll actually get and that is a BIG, FAT, FUCK ALL!!! i really hope that the Japanese public are made fully aware of what is intended, how it will affect them and can fight against it!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      No they won’t.  They’re in one of the worst recessions in Asia and all of the music industry has been hit hard.  Instead of taking notes from Korea, they’re doubling down on punishments.  This is not helping their economy and it won’t help people spend money they do not have.

      • JohnGaspardo

        Don’t you just print money in your basement ? Making copies is fun !!!

        • Cubespawn

          YES! but rather than counterfeiting fiat currency: I copy objects in metals, wood, plastic, etc in my small machine shop. Most of the copies are of things I, myself have designed – and furthermore, most of them are quite expensive (in currency terms) but pretty inexpensive in materials terms so yet I do “Print” money in my basement – as everyone should – it breeds wealth and self reliance these are valuable things ;-) 

        • JohnGaspardo

          so your saying that you create actual value instead of siphoning money from the real tangible economy like the banksters and copyright fucks who just use a complex financial scam to create a debtors prison and put gates on all culture and financial advancement for their own profit all by buying off government creating in essence true fascism

  • Abc

    I think it’s about time someone takes the copywrong trolls to court for crimes against humanity and attempting to pervert/hinder technical innovation for financial gain.

    • Mwhahaha

      How is downloading music technological innovation?
      People here do spout some sanctimonious bullshit sometimes.

      Yes we need freedom to express ourselves and to enjoy and share culture and pursue technological advances but we also need a fair system in place which rewards those who create all the wonderful things which improve our lives.

      Both extremes of this argument want something which is stupid, unworkable and which will be to the detriment of everyone if they win.

      Anyway, if anything the very fight against media corporations is actually creating the necessity for programmers to innovate to get round all of these gates they’re trying to place all over the net. Without copyright trolls, spying isps and the such like we’d still all be using shitty napster and limewire.

      • Fredrika

        > “..but we also need a fair system in place which rewards those who create..”

        We already have, it’s called the free market, where they receive this reward if they sell something. That’s how entrepreneurship works for all entrepreneurs.

        Do you have a problem with the free market? Do you not consider the free market to be fair? Are you advocating a planned economy or communism? Are you advocating that some entrepreneurs should receive monetary reward without selling anything?

        What makes these fragile, weak and failed entrepreneurs so special and extra important to society, so that they should be excluded from the normal free market, where you seem to believe that they can’t handle themselves, despite the fact that many of them already do?

        > “Both extremes of this argument want something which is stupid, unworkable and which will be to the detriment of everyone if they win.”

        You seem confused, or are you purposely spreading lies and false ignorant propaganda? What the political pirates want is a partial dismantling of the copyright monopoly, so that all non-profit use of intellectual works ceases to be illegal in all countries, not just some as today.

        This is in no way unworkable, it already works very well in those countries where filesharing is legal.

        In addition to that there exist no scientific evidence whatsoever to support the thesis that such a partial dismantling of the copyright monopoly will cause any harm to neither society, culture, creators, the goal with copyright or the content industry’s and creators current record revenues, so what is this detriment you speak of?

        I have noticed that you come up with all sorts of claims along these lines in the comments, as you just did again, but when your claims are questioned and refuted, you always go quiet, no longer being able to stand up for you claims. Why is that? Are you aware of that that’s text book troll behaviour?

      • Anyone

        how is trying to cripple all cyberlockers and cloud storage not hindering technical innovation?
        or what about DRM shutting out new devices so you are forced to buy the content again?

        the industry should just die already and all non-profit filesharing should not only be legal but encouraged

      • Guess

         ”but we also need a fair system in place which rewards those who create all the wonderful things which improve our lives.” tell that to the labels about all the artists they’ve forced to sign over the rights to their works, then taken the p**s and ripped the public off left right and center. DO labels pay a “fair and honest amount” to the artists ensuring they always get paid what their due without trying to f**k said artists over? DO THEY F**K, there’s plenty of people would LOVE to pay the artists directly cutting out the labels completely so the artists “who create all the wonderful things which improve our lives” actualy get the money.

        http://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-to-pay-45-million-for-pirating-artists-music-110110/

        http://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-face-60-billion-damages-for-pirating-artists-091207/

        http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-drama-prevents-artist-from-sharing-music-on-myspace-091007/

        (cant find the article about how to sell 1 million albums but still end up owing $1m)

      • Guest

        “How is downloading music technological innovation?”

        The fingerprint system is a perversion of technological innovation, and the protocols and systems used(and currently in development) to download music are technologically innovative. You might have realized this if you had used your brain for half a second instead of shitting out a comment without thinking.

        “we also need a fair system in place which rewards those who create all the wonderful things which improve our lives.”

        Nobody thinks otherwise.

        “Both extremes of this argument want something which is stupid, unworkable and which will be to the detriment of everyone if they win.”

        Really, what does the “extremist fringe” of filesharers want? I guessing your answer to that will be some shit you just made up. I believe I speak for every fucking filesharer when I say we want a fair system where the prices are realistic,  we can give money directly to the authors of creative works(not to a cartel of middlemen), and where we won’t be sued or jailed for sharing. 

        Yeah, that’s soooo extreme.

      • GkadW

        Shut up Mr. Split Personality daddy bugger!

  • Birdhouse

    So Ishihara basically banned tits, now the copyright laws turned to shit as well. Japan why are you guys so indifferent, Occupy Tokyo. 

  • anon

    so india > japan :D

  • saku

    now how will i watch all the animes :(

    • Mwhahaha

      If you really like them, buy them so the people who make them can make more for you to enjoy :)

      Share, care & reward.

      • Fredrika

        > “If you really like them, buy them..”

        As has been explained to you several times before, intellectual works does not constitute property, so animes can therefore not be bought.

        What can be bought is goods and services, but Saku did not mention any interest in any offered goods or services being offered for sale, he commented on the animes, as in the intellectual works.

        Why do you have such a problem keeping the intellectual works apart from goods and services in your comments? Usually ignorance goes away when you have something factually explained to you, but that doesn’t seem to be the case with you? Why is that?

        • Rodrigo

           Ah, but Fredrika, you have made a mistake. The OP said he wanted to WATCH the animes. You can not watch an intellectual work, you can only watch a copy of an intellectual work, which is a good. Therefore, what Mwhahaha was saying is that if the good was enjoyed, then the OP should pay the original creators of the intellectual work from which the model used to create the copy was derived. You may disagree with the normative claim about what the OP should do, but that’s not a matter of fact, that’s a matter of opinion.

        • Fredrika

          > “The OP said he wanted to WATCH the animes. You can not watch an intellectual work, you can only watch a copy of an intellectual work, which is a good.”

          An anime is not a copy. An anime is a graphical cultural creation. The copy is what you put in your DVD player. The copy constitutes goods. The copy, which is down by the floor in the DVD player is not what you watch. What you watch is a projection a couple of inches up, on the screen, which has been decoded from ones and zeroes on the copy. But you do not watch the ones and zeroes or the copy. You watch the intellectual work. This is not the Matrix where endless lines of ones and zeroes, which is the only thing the copy is made up of, means anything to our eyes.

          > “Therefore, what Mwhahaha was saying is that if the good was enjoyed, then the OP should pay the original creators of the intellectual work from which the model used to create the copy was derived.”

          First of all i’m not interested in your interpretation of what you believe Mwhahaha really meant, but did not say. The discussion was indeed about the animes, and those can’t be bought. If you can’t understand the difference between a copy and an intellectual work, you will be unable to grasp this discussion.

          Secondly, you can not pay someone for enjoying an intellectual work, because it is by nature free to do so. Please start a DVD if you do not believe me, and you will notice that’s its free.

          So what exactly is it you argue someone should pay for? It’s obviously not for the sale of any goods or service, which are the only things a buyer can pay for.

          > “You may disagree with the normative claim about what the OP should do, but that’s not a matter of fact, that’s a matter of opinion.”

          I have not disagreed with anything regarding what anyone should do. My personal opinion does not change the fact that’s its impossible to pay for enjoying intellectual works, because they do not constitute any kind of property that can be bought and paid for. You can only buy and pay for goods and services, but intellectual works does not constitute neither.

          It seems the mistake was made on your behalf.

        • Greevar

          Rodrigo:

          They are not goods. Goods are tangible things. Creative works (a.k.a. cultural symbols) are intangible and therefore, fall under the category of an intangible commodity or service. However, the copyright industry tries very hard to buck this concept in favor of transforming opinion that it is a “good” and, by extension, a unit of property. The funny thing about labeling works as property is that every work overlaps every other work in existence. They share pieces among each other. How does that even fit into the definition of property? That’s like you own your land, but you also own a portion of everyone else’s land and everyone else owns a piece of your land. What does that leave you with? It’s a commonwealth of community owned property that is owned by no one exclusively, but by everyone equally. What’s more is it’s non-rivalrous and non-exclusive, which means that everyone can have it and it will neither deprive others of what they have nor exclude anyone from having it.

          The people that made that anime provided a service. That service was the creation of the anime. It was their mistake to try to sell a service as if it were a product when this “product” defies any conventional properties of a product. Had they sold it as a service, they would get all the money they asked for and they wouldn’t have to do the work for “free” and hope to make the deficit back in DVD sales.

        • Booyah

          Is this the logic of a 12 year old?

        • Fredrika

          > “Is this the logic of a 12 year old?”

          If there’s something of what i wrote that you didn’t understand, please quote that specific sentence, and i will help you read it to a degree where you will also understand what it says. As for now it’s a bit hard to understand to what you referred.

      • Guest

        Since people download anime for free all over the place, and yet the anime industry still exists, you just might be full of shit with your implication that filesharing is destroying it.

        Your logic also rules out buying anime second hand, watching it on television, or watching a friend’s DVD or Blu-Ray of it. Apparently, we must all run out and purchase it new at retail for full price or else anime will die, DIE I TELL YOU! Right? 

        • Razul

          So you are basically saying, that the ones that PAY for Animes are “the stupid”, the lesser humans – and the one that copy it for free are the “intelligent ones”, “better ones”, the ones that “get it” how to free-ride on stuff that other paid. And keep the wheels going.

          I think we should be at least humanist enough to tell those who still are “stupid enough to pay” not to do so. Lets stop the wheels and look what happens.

      • http://www.facebook.com/matthew.swaringen Matthew Swaringen

        I agree with you I think, because you are saying “share” but I do think people should pay for the things they like.  Yes, they may not be buying the content, but just the medium, regardless, they should do more than nothing if they can.

      • Jon7272

        have you tried to buy animes outside japan you are a moron 

      • Myse

        many anime’s is’nt realesed outside of japan, and so has no subs. If he does’nt know japanese, the online watching is his only choise, and it does’nt matter if he buy’s them or not since he won’t understand what they say anyway

  • Andrew me

    The sooner the copyright monopolists are made irrelevant and free music is the norm on the internet we will continue to have this type of action, i would not be surprised if the music industry tried to get people executed for sharing copyright materiel.
     
    They have alienated themselves so far from the public that now it is common to hear people say that they do not buy any music at all and neither do they download copyrighted music.

    As soon as people see there is a whole new world of music alternatives out there they will ditch the monopolists and turn to free music creators. Eventually the studios will try to join in the new world of music distribution but hopefully they will be shown the same contempt then that they showed there customers now.

    MEGABOX where are you we need you now!!!!!

  • anon

    the more bending over and taking it up the ass the ISP’s do the more censorship and clamp down on privacy/freedoms and human rights the MAFIAA’s will push for.

  • 0omg

    like i care what they want ….. i want a million dollard and i dont have it …. suck it up, adapt or die ! 

  • Vincent Giannell

    I have a feeling more protests against these laws will follow and it will scare the Japanese government silly.

  • Rockets

    With shit like this and all those disasters combined with radiation, it’s safe to say there won’t even be a Japan at this rate.

    • Zqscusfz

      mmm, I dunno

      It just shows that “copyright” crap and lobby is more important than the people of Japan, who suffered and still do from these catastrophes.

      Something is rotten in the land of the rising sun.

      Everything is up to the people to remedy this of course.

      • blah

        The Japanese need to learn to stop being so compliant, otherwise their reactionary government will keep making up harsh, repressive laws. I think the Japanese are starting to wise up after the Fukushima incident, which is giving me some hope for the future of Japan.

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  • Gae

    This just shows how far they want to take things if given the opportunity.

  • Zenamez

    If it compares the music you’ve uploaded to a database can’t the uploader either zip/rar it up making it harder to detect without opening the file or scramble it a bit (and have software on the other end to decode it)? 

  • Me

    i REALLY want to see the victims of gun crimes to start filing lawsuits against the gun manufacturers.  i want to see the victims of car accidents to start suing car manufacturers, etc. 

    this equates the basically the exact same thing.

  • Andrew Lee

    They really don’t expect their methods to be successful lol.. Who knows they might but the fact still remains that when there is a way around something people are going to find it no matter who likes it or not.

    It’s just going to lead to much higher encryption mixed along with other methods. At the best their actions will lead pirates to practice better online habits to stay out of the limelight.

    Still I don’t buy what they’re selling I still think they rather extort people and lay down huge fines. Every legal action we see is a front that is leading to one thing.
    NO MORE COURTS REQUIRED FOR THEM TO TRACK PEOPLE DOWN

    Bye the way anon dude I wish that were true as well. I’d go buy me a Ford to blame everything on.

    You stuck a cigar in her vagina?

    Um Ford made me do it.

  • Jimbo

    the aim is to be able to bypass the courts altogether and implement their own punishment system and own punishments. why should any private industry be allowed to spy on what citizens are doing? going through the ISP alters nothing. the entertainment industries will be the one examining the ‘data’ and deciding what happens to whom. they will even be deciding whether a person is guilty or not. how any government can allow this is beyond me and deserves to be removed from power as soon as is possible!

  • Guest

    This is it.
    The biggest of all big brothers, the one we’ve been waiting for.

    Jail for interacting or viewing anything that’s someone’s copyright, somehow, somewhere.

    The ability to monitor all internet communications.

    This will lead to one of three things:

    -1-The good bye internet, it’s dark ages again end.

    Massive  chillling effect effectively kills it and all innovation and the political power it gives back to the people. Progress also suffers. Check it here how great internet has been among other things.http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2012-05/new-age-invention-2-Another pointless “war on___” boogeyman hunt that only serves to waste everyone’s time, people keep fighting the censorship and the new laws are applicable, weakening the legal system and just being a plain waste of time and resources.-3-File sharing becomes some political scapegoat to send specific undesirable individuals to jail for a crime that practically everyone could be guilty of, and thus anyone could be sent to jail for. For most people the law  remains ignored but it will be used as a tool against specific individuals. More legal costs, goodbye freedoms.Think of it as the way patents are used right now, they’re abused by companies to sue other companies out of business like that crazy motorola apple lawsuit that went nowhere.This is the kind of threats  to society that only the Pirate Party can fight.

    • JohnGaspardo

      but they already have unlimited power already so why would they need #3 ? As far as I remember the patriot act and the ndaa bills already signed away our relatively free and fair governance in favor of retroactive immunity for the people that get to send a hell-fire predator drone missile through anyone’s window anywhere in the world for any reason or no reason whatsoever. The NSA has been logging all internet traffic since at least 9/11 and therefore the only logical conclusion is that we have in fact achieved corporate fascism for the profit of a bunch of money hugger fucks  

  • Guest

    Fascism strikes again.

  • Bob

    Do you guys realize that they are trying to screw over the internet so less people use it .  That way more people will buy physical media.

    • YARIGHT

      sorry don’t care ill just make due with the 5 tb i have and you can go fuck yourself
      and hollywood and your physical ram up the butt fruity the loom idea of how they want net….all it does is free up money FOR buying hookers and drugs….

  • Jojo

    Sony is powerful in Japan

    • Jon7272

      sony is losing 1 billion every year lol for the last 6 years 

      • Booyah

        Which is precisely why they are grasping for straws at this point.

  • Noone

    Lol next time it will e death sentence for filesharing . People wake up and start protesting

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      We already are…. our elected officials just are not listening to us.

    • JordanKratz

      Our Elected officials are bought by MFIAA

    • Lightning

       LOOK AT ME IM A PROTESTOR, LOOK AT ME, IM ON TV, HEY!!!! LOOOOOOK AT MEEEE!!!!!!!

      • YARIGHT

        i like sticking a rod into the poster lightning so he becomes a lightning rrod
        he does after all like it in the rear like most hollywood fruits

  • Fantastic

     Can’t say one is surprised especially since this deals with those outside of Japan. They’ve always been horrifyingly xenophobic and now its starting to cripple them.   

  • EricPost

    Seems to me there has to be more to this, since you all say it’d be so easy to defeat with a zip file. People who develop this can’t be that ill informed

    • Jon7272

      you do realise your talking about the copywrong industry dont you lol 

  • TantoDang

    OK that just does not make any sense dude. Wow.
    Anon-Way.tk  

  • me

    Filesharing will just go underground in Japan. More darknets, more encryption, more steganography. This will also creep over to the West, and there too, we filesharers will simply go underground.

    So why bother? The next evolution of the Net is already underway, and only the fittest (we!) will survive. Let the global MAFIAA try their worst. They won’t stop the signal.

  • http://twitter.com/ReyesIvy1 ReyesIvy

    as Mary answered I am taken by surprise that someone able to profit $9266 in a few weeks on the computer. have you seen this site link  (Click on menu Home more information)   http://goo.gl/CLjUb  

    • Nope

      Nope.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/L2FW55JCG4NNVE2CCP5336XJRE Cheese!

    Japan, you sexy bitch!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676827475 Luke Solis

    I wonder how far that will get them when customers use VPNs

  • JordanKratz

    To the MAFIAA everything is illegal piracy except for when you have paid for their MAFIAAcontent .

  • Euhh

    So a country who got a fertility rate of 1.21 want to send people in jail for downloading music lol.

    So if we advance that people who download music/video are people of 30and under. That’s gona left a diying old country with a lot of young people in jail.
    Its funny and sad in the same time.
    So the only thing people need to do to avoid this laws is to tell to all of they’re friend to download the honeypot music to go to jail with them. More people in jail at the charge of the states that’s how music industry will survive loll. At one point small city will be only populated by old people who dont give a shit about pop music or movies lol.
    Money is like voting, you give it to the one you think is the best suited to help improve a situation.
     We live in an age where no one forget or forgive because of the internet.
    Annyways cheers to Godzilla playground.

  • Dupe

    file sharing is definitely fast turning into the most heinous crime on the planet. the entertainment industries are calling for more severe sentences. it wont be long before 25 years to life of even capitol punishment is on the cards, all over little plastic discs of make-believe. governments are not going to even try to stop this from carrying on because it gives them an excuse to implement new (stronger) surveillance laws. they seem to ignore the fact that the more they suppress the people, the harder is the eventual push back and the worse the consequences.

  • Robert

    I need to stop reading this site, everything makes me sad, no fucking good news ever

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    Aww, why, Japan, WHY? D: My interest for Japan is fading away with every news I hear about Japan + copywrong lately :(

  • White Witch

    why do the ISPs put up with this? They are the ones with the power. They can threaten to switch off if the government refuses to back down. Imagine if every single ISP switched off in protest… it would bring governments to their knees.

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  • Tokisho

    So the only good thing about Japan is anime, manga and their women. Never going to live there.

    • Olandhill

      Lived on Okinawa over two years & they were quite decent people.

  • shadowie1

    if those clowns got their way, there would be public executions for downloading a song to your mp3 player.

  • foff

    Damn japs need to grow a penis and come out their closets and stop jacking off to their dirty cartoons.  What can they be thinking.  They have one of the cheapest and fastest internets in the world yet if you notice nothing is hosted in this country.  They are one of the first adopters of many electronic gadgets yet they are years behind in the internet.  There has been no significant developments with respect to the internet come out of japan.  What can you expect of an aging senile population.  

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  • noko

    But, but…

    My anime and eroge!

  • Bo

    In Japan you can grab a woman’s butt in public and get away with it

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  • Jon7272

    no need for big bandwidth plan ill have a cheap 5 gig plan ty the isps are the ones losing money. one business sucseeds the other fails go figure .and yes i cant spell deal with it word nazis lol

  • Neotoasty

    Totalitarian, anybody?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

    Jail for file sharing?…
    By the same token I demand crucifixion for repeat parking offenders!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FR3GSTMU7YLGEO2PSJJBDNXO4I VelezRosalyn

    like Joan responded I am dazzled that a person can make $5924 in 1 month on the computer. have you seen this link  (Click on menu Home more information)   http://goo.gl/eqXBy  

  • Anonymous

    the best thing to happen would be for ISPs to stand up together and i mean all ISPs, not just those in Japan (you can bet that if/when this goes through, they will want it introduced world-wide!), and say that they will not be doing this and that they are going to remove all instances of entertainment industries from search results. (i really dont understand why the ISPs are being so gutless. have they been threatened by different governments?) that means no music, no movies, no games, no books, nothing, nada, zilch! let’s face it, these industries want everyone to find their stuff, they just dont want it to be available, whilst costing other companies money to fulfill their wants. just keep it in shops in physical form. see how long that lasts. easiest and best way is to make the stuff unavailable on the internet ever again. let’s see what sort of surge there is then in the independent music and movies and how long before the industries are crying to get their stuff back on the ‘net.

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  • YARIGHT

    JUST GO FUCK YOURSELF HOLLYWOOD

    • Booyah

      You do realize that there’s content produced outside the USA, right?

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  • YARIGHT

    so what here is how you kill such laws
    everyone download something and have like a million people turn themselves in , ya think greeces probs economically are an issue…jailing a million people and removing what taxes they pay will destroy any system

    they cant do it if you all stand together

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  • Alexander Vollmer

    They should tell people that they will need permission via email in advance of visiting commercial websites cause those consist of copyrighted material. Wonder how they will split that copyrighted material from other copyrighted material. How can people know it the site has a license to give it away? Will there be a link to a copy of the license on every picture? Or is it the old game that a suit and tie means its legal? And what if someone places copyrighted material without permission and blackmails us after a visit?

    That’s an idea … I think that can be done from elsewhere with every Japanese household later this year. Might be the next big con.

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    sounds like a new north korea there

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brent-Alan-Newton/1355656399 Brent Alan Newton

    First off putting the comment box at the bottom is stupid. Secondly what needs to happen is we all need to break our addiction to this hollywood garbage. That would fix it at both ends. Fuck them. I’m no doctor or anything, but I am pretty certain the last thing anyone on this planet needs is another remake of some shit movie from the 70′s or another cd from britney spears. Let us instead focus on more pressing matters like how all our govs are spending us into inevitable hyperinflation and civil anarchy. This time next year, I bet internet pirating is a distant memory.

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  • Alex Bers

    and I wonder if I use proxy+encrypted SSH tunnel or any similar service (PirateRay, Btguard , Tor, ), how they are going to identify the person and the content downloaded exactly

  • quawonk

    Best case scenario: they totally lock everything down, nobody buys their shit AT ALL and they go the fuck out of business. It’s that second part that’s LEAST likely to happen.

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  • Pos838

    There is NO WAY this will fly in the U.S. I am sure there are wiretapping laws against such actions. 

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  • Chilly Willy

    Packet inspection can make mistakes, which is why DPI mandates must be opposed. I know this because I had problems, back in the 1990s, with houskeepers whose kids would try to get my computer started, so I had filtering software installed. The problem with Cybersitter was that its DPI would cuase problems with Flight Simulator when downloading the latest weather. One string of characters made Cybersitter think that Flight Simulator was trying to download porn, and it would halt the download, and cause Flight Simulator to freeze and abort.

    Things like that are one good reason to oppose deep packet inspection.

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