Kim Dotcom Gets Green Light to Sue New Zealand Spies

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December 6, 2012
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A ruling by a High Court judge today means that New Zealand’s spy agency will have to reveal details of their secret surveillance of Kim Dotcom. The decision, which will see the Government Communications Security Bureau added to Dotcom’s lawsuit over an illegal January raid on his mansion, means that the GCSB may now be sued for damages after it was revealed the agency illegally spied on him.

When Kim Dotcom warned that the developments surrounding his case would be both big and controversial, the Internet entrepreneur wasn’t exaggerating.

The fallout from the January raid on his Auckland home has been making news every week since and today things stepped up another gear.

As previously reported, in June the police search and seizure raids were deemed to have been carried out illegally after it was revealed they relied on invalid search warrants and were executed with excessive force.

Then following a hearing August it came to light that the Government Communications Security Bureau had been spying on both Kim Dotcom and co-defendant Bram Van der Kolk. This action was also problematic since GCSB may not monitor New Zealand residents. This led the spy agency to concede that it had unlawfully intercepted communications.

And today, following an unprecedented High Court ruling, GCSB will have to reveal details of their secret and apparently unlawful surveillance.

In a 16-page ruling, Justice Helen Winklemann ordered GCSB to be joined as a defendant to
Dotcom’s lawsuit against New Zealand’s Attorney General over the illegal January raid.

The Judge also granted discovery of documents related to the previously secret surveillance operation and said that the GCSB must hand over any information sharing agreements it had with local police and U.S. authorities.

Three police officers were also ordered to provide evidence.

Detective Superintendent Pannett was told to produce an affidavit stating whether he viewed a live feed of the January raids and if so provide details of the source of the feed and the events being filmed.

Detective Inspectors Jones and Wormald were told to file affidavits setting out their dealings in respect of other cameras used.

Dotcom and his co-defendants were also given permission to amend their claim to seek declarations about the legality of GCSB’s actions and, crucially. to seek damages against both the spy agency and the police.

“Lets see about US involvement in illegal GCSB spying on New Zealand residents,” wrote Dotcom on Twitter following the ruling.

“The truth will come out, in court.”

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YESSS! Kick their ass Dotcom!! Kick their motherfu… ass!
- Wal-Mart
  
  They had just cause to spy on him, and your just pissed about it. People like you don’t know what you are talking about. He was breaking U.S laws and now he is going to pay for it…
  - Guest
    
    “He was breaking U.S laws and now he is going to pay for it”
    
    New Zealand != U.S
    - http://twitter.com/DrewKate2 DrewKate
      
      just as Victoria said I am shocked that any one able to earn $7080 in four weeks on the network.
    - http://twitter.com/DrewKate2 DrewKate
      
      ……goo.gl/ykdDF (Click on Home)
    - Wal-Mart
      
      Exactly, NATO made it so everyone has to abide by the U.S laws for the internet so he was breaking the law.
    - Anyone
      
      not sure what NATO has to do with anything here
    - asdf
      
      New Zealand isn’t part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. New Zealand, however, is a member of the United Nations.
    - SimpleStick
      
      Now that is just lazy trolling.
    - http://twitter.com/StefanieCarter3 Stefanie Carter
      
      Three police officers were also ordered to provide evidence.… http://www.youtube.qr.net/jO4I/watch?v=bj0HlZWjcAQ
    - Speakee
      
      @Wal-Mart
      
      Why people like you, are more and more lazy with their arguments everyday?
      
      All of you just make a horrible attempt to defend the copyright, great job.
    - Malt-War
      
      @Wal-Mart. You do realise that NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organisation don’t you? Maybe you can point out whereabouts New Zealand lies in the North Atlantic… lulz EPIC FAIL!
  - Smeg
    
    Your a cockhead!
  - CopyrightFuckItself
    
    It was lawbreaking to spy on Dotcom, so your douchebag comment make you a douchebag. Fail.
  - Violated0
    
    What a stupid comment. Even if you believe someone is breaking the law then you don’t break the law yourself to get them.
    - Wal-Mart
      
      They aren’t breaking the law. NATO made it so everyone has to obey U.S laws on the the internet.
    - Tony Almeida
      
      Unless of course you are Jack Bauer ;)
    - asdf
      
      New Zealand isn’t part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. New Zealand, however, is a member of the United Nations.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      @Wal-mart
      
      Apparently the New Zealand high court disagrees with you. And the agency doing the spying have already admitted they did so illegally.
      
      And here’s a hint – whatever NATO does or does not in respect to military cooperation, it does not and can not override the penal laws of the member nations.
      
      Man, first the copyright trolls start misinterpreting national laws, now they claim the national law is overridden by military co-op treaties…
      What next? “Dotcom is guilty because my breakfast cereal told me so”?
    - http://profiles.google.com/orfetheo Orfeas Theofanis
      
      I don’t agree with the megaupload shutdown, neither with any internet censorship.
      But when we’re talking about criminals (which DotCom ISN’T), breaking the law shouldn’t be a big deal.
      I mean if they are suspecting a serial killer and they “illegally” spy on him and discover he really has killed over 100 people, then I agree with illegal spying.
    - teenygozer
      
      I suspect he’s a Sad!Troll. He’s just sad-trolling, the pore wee mite.
    - Violated0
      
      For all of you doubters then remember even the Devil himself would be held to answer to the laws of man…
      
      A Man for All Seasons [1966]
      
      William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
      
      Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
      
      William Roper: Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!
      
      Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?
      This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?
      Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!
      
      No one person no matter how evil you believe them to be will not be ignored their rights to law and counsel.
    - Caleb
      
      Wal-Mart: That is A: Untrue, NATO doesn’t mean anything in regards to the entire world having to follow US law. B:New Zealand isn’t part of NATO. C: You’re a dumbass.
  - Andrew me
    
    1. “They had just cause to spy on him”. NO they did not , they did not have any evidence and used illegal wiretapping to get whatever evidence they have thought they might be able to use, then we found out that the files they are suing for are files they asked him to leave on his system. So your first 7 words are just nonsense.
    
    2. “and your just pissed about it” The comment showed the person is actually rather pleased about the findings the court have made, so these 6 words are a total lie
    
    3 ” People like you don’t know what you are talking about” Obviously he does as he is very happy about what the court have decided to do and how they have done it.So another 10 words that just make you look stupid.
    
    4.”He was breaking U.S laws and now he is going to pay for it…” He was not breaking US laws and has offered to go to America to stand trial if he can have access to his money they illegally seized to defend himself.
    
    So now i have broken down your comment into simple terms for you to re read you might want to take back your insulting someone you know nothing about and stop commenting about things you know nothing about.
    
    You are obviously very pissed off about something in your life and should maybe resolve that before you try to take it out on someone who is justifiably celebrating a very good ruling for DOTCOM.!!!!! yeah.
    - err
      
      “An affidavit from the senior officer in charge of the Kim Dotcom raid contradicts earlier evidence that he gave to the court, a judge has found.
      
      Detective Inspector Grant Wormald already faces questions about testimony that he gave in which he said no other agency had spied on the internet entrepreneur.
      
      Police must also disclose what they know about stationary cameras placed around Dotcom’s home.
      
      In the unprecedented ruling from Justice Helen Winkelmann yesterday, government spies will be forced to reveal top-secret details of its illegal surveillance on the Megaupload millionaire.
      
      Justice Winkelmann noted that an affidavit given by Mr Wormald, from the elite Organised & Financial Crime Agency, said “there was no live coverage of the operations going on at the Dotcom mansion”.
      
      But she said this contradicted earlier evidence he had given at a hearing. It was a “critical issue” whether there was live footage of events unfolding at the Dotcom mansion, she said.”
      
      ——They all lied.
  - mrtortoise
    
    No he wasnt
  - JordanKratz
    
    Bullshit !
    KD is going to Win.Millions of people have followed this Case.
    Was illegal on NZ and USA part.
    - ScrewEwe2
      
      KD is going to Win Millions!
      
      Hope ya don’t mind my edit :-)
    - RIAAtarded
      
      I agree what worries me though is the kiwi are the ones that end up flipping the bill in the end for the governments stupidity which isn’t right either.
    - http://twitter.com/EvanKnz Evan Kennedy
      
      As a New Zealander: mixed feelings about that. I’m pretty sure that taxpayer money could have been better spent, but oh well…
    - KimGotConned
      
      @RIAAtarded. I agree, but consider also that Kim Dotcom, as a NZ resident, pays taxes on his personal earnings into the NZ system. By shutting down MU the NZ authorities have already denied the system large amounts of tax monies he’d have paid. Plus, if he wins any significant damages he’ll most likely throw quite a bit of cash into his future ventures which could return decent tax contributions from him into the system helping to supply services for the very taxpayers who were left to foot the damages bill. So not all bad. ;)
  - markh
    
    which us laws, he is not in the us, but in new zealand so he falls under new zeland jurisdiction
  - Sketch
    
    no i think your full of shit, america has NO authority in other countries, its time WE learned the lesson that america is NOT quite the center of the universe……. that case is falling apart due to the cops in america and new zeland NOT following the laws they made. they are the ones gonna pay.
  - ScrewEwe2
    
    “NATO made it so everyone has to obey U.S laws on the the internet.”
    
    NATO? The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation
    
    “The North Atlantic Treaty Organization or NATO ( /?ne?to?/ NAY-toh; French: Organisation du traité de l’Atlantique Nord (OTAN)), also called the (North) Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance based on the North Atlantic Treaty which was signed on 4 April 1949. The organization constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party. NATO’s headquarters are in Brussels, Belgium, one of the 28 member states across North America and Europe, the newest of which, Albania and Croatia, joined in April 2009. An additional 22 countries participate in NATO’s Partnership for Peace, with 15 other countries involved in institutionalized dialogue programs. The combined military spending of all NATO members constitutes over 70% of the world’s defence spending……”
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO
    
    Dotcom may think of himself as the worlds best Gamer, but that hardly calls for NATO to go to war on him you dumb motherfucker. If you ever lose your Wal-Mart job, White Castle is always looking for good people.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      “If you ever lose your Wal-Mart job, White Castle is always looking for good people.”
      
      If White Castle is looking for good people, then that’s kinda bad news for the poster currently known as “Wal-Mart”, isn’t it?
  - Scary_Devil_Monastery
    
    Wal-Mart:“They had just cause to spy on him, and your just pissed about it.”
    
    “…This led the spy agency to concede that it had unlawfully intercepted communications.”
    
    “… following an unprecedented High Court ruling, GCSB will have to reveal details of their secret and apparently unlawful surveillance.”
    
    The high court ruled that they didn’t, and the spy agency admitted their surveillance was unlawful. You claim otherwise?
    
    I think your village called – they want their idiot back.
  - http://twitter.com/MAFIAAFire MAFIAAFire
    
    News for ya, US laws… not applicable in the rest of the world.
    If still unsure about what I wrote, check ThePirateBay responses to DMCA takedowns…
  - Who
    
    “Exactly, NATO made it so everyone has to abide by the U.S laws for the internet so he was breaking the law”
    
    UM…WRONG O…..
    
    @asdf: “New Zealand, however, is a member of the United Nations” that don’t mean you are bound to US law.
  - Who
    
    BTW if you read the DMCA it does state that NO international law of any kind may be broken for ANY copyright infringement claim. YET it has….so technically we should be @ war with them. but they are actually playing nice atm so things can unfold and that every one can get to the bottom of things.
  - Eddy123
    
    “Exactly, NATO made it so everyone has to abide by the U.S laws for the internet so he was breaking the law.”
    
    TIP: Better to let people think you’re an idiot than open your mouth and prove it ;)
  - eagspoo
    
    What laws? Please list. He was in full compliance with DMCA takedown laws and had even given MPAA/RIAA members their own tools for dealing with pirated content.
    
    YOU are just a tool who is ready and willing to bend over for any authority. Whatever gets you off I guess but don’t fool yourself into thinking there was anything legal about what the US govt did here or that he “deserved it”
  - Whatever
    
    Probably he was breaking other countries laws as well, but you cannot sincerely expect a website to monitor laws of ~300 countries around the globe (some with state laws as well).
    
    This is a farce.
  - An0nYm0u5
    
    No one likes the US nor respects their ignorant laws… now please… stop bringing up a group that has no actual pull in the world.
  - Royalgrand
    
    Befitting handle troll.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Not really. Wal-Mart apparently does offer quality goods at times.
      
      Whereas it’s pretty obvious that “Nickname of the month” is scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for new nicks he hasn’t already turned into laughing stocks.
  - 123fakest
    
    Just like we are going to go after Isreal for breaking American Civil Libirty laws, right? Maybe the rat bastard Americans should take care of their domestic problems before policing the rest of the fucking world
  - Adam
    
    He was not breaking US laws. He was DMCA compliant, co-operated with law enforcement (although they tried to turn that around and hold it against him) and were allready heading down the road of becoming a publically listed company which involved thorough audit by financial heavyweights to prove the company was entirely legal. See here for details: http://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-worked-on-a-multi-billion-dollar-ipo-120417/
    
    But that aside, this is about the New Zealand end….
  - watfordjc
    
    So… the police and the spies are the only ones that the courts have ruled have done anything illegal, and you’re accusing someone of committing crimes without any evidence?
    
    If the U.K. does adopt evidentiary hearings for extradition requests, and the U.S. refuses to provide any evidence when asked to by a court, guess what happens… acquittal. And you can’t be extradited for a crime you’ve been acquitted of.
    
    Oh, illegal wiretaps are also against U.S. laws and I believe evidence obtained through such means cannot be used.
    
    Are the NSA intercepting your communications legally because they can do so if they “believe” you are not inside the U.S.?
    
    One more thing, the Queen passes New Zealand laws (either herself or the Governor General as her representative). Are you suggesting she granted Royal Assent to an Act that passed the passage of legislation from the New Zealand House of Representatives to the U.S. after the House passed the Bill?
    
    I only ask because you appear to be saying that most American females on Facebook are breaking laws somewhere on the planet by showing their faces in public through their profile pictures. Should they “pay for it” too?
  - teenygozer
    
    Please tell me you’re speaking with your tongue firmly implanted in cheek. Or that you’re a troll who’s having a little fun pushin’ some buttons. Because if you genuinely believe what you have written in this thread, you’re a sad, crazy little person. Or possibly a nine-year-old.
  - 0omg
    
    i love when you fail so much you feel the need to come and comment on TF
    YOU FAILED COPYRIGHT TROLL
    
    dotcom will sue your ass GOOD
  - Thepatient613
    
    You’re the worst type of troll ever. Aren’t you supposed to be reporting copyright infringing sites right now? Get back to work!
  - Mike NZ
    
    The New Zealand Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) cannot spy on New Zealand citizens, which Kim Dotcom is.
  - Wala w. Wala
    
    pakawala ka ba ?
    - Aotearoa
      
      ^ What he said! :)
  - Please reply
    
    If he was breaking US laws then why wasn’t he extradited? If they had just cause, why were the search warrants invalid? surely you are talking about American legal justice, and not justice in the true sense of the word, US of America the place that has 5% of the worlds population and holds 25% of the worlds prisoners.
  - erzhik
    
    How is he going to pay for that? Almost all charges were dropped against MU and now new MEGA will be launched that would make it impossible for government agencies to shut them down and this whole fiasco will eventually turn against government agencies.
  - Nop
    
    He’s not an American, & doesn’t live in America, shit for brains. How would you feel about the Chinese government doing this shit to YOU for all the Chinese laws you probably break every day?
  - Nop
    
    And New Zealand isn’t a NATO member, you ignorant fuckface.
- Rohe
  
  I see the Kiwis as victims here. I think the FBI painted FatDotKim as some sort of an caricature of a insane “james bond-esque” mastermind – and some idiots thought “This is my ticket to government stardom”.
  
  And 12 month later they found out, that everything the “political” arm of the FBI told them was a good poached lie – and they fell for it.
  
  A friend of mine deals with american Lawyers and governmental trade rules all the time. He told me, that the only guy who is really able to deal with all the crap is an “exported” american. Only he “gets” the insanity.
  
  The Kiwis don’t. They didn’t get what the US clowns intended here. They were truly played.
  - http://twitter.com/MAFIAAFire MAFIAAFire
    
    Well, once they pay for their mistake the next time they are going to be a bit more careful… right?
    
    Sorry, I cannot muster any pity for government entities who do first then check later.
  - Guest
    
    The NZ authorities could have fact checked to see whether or not Dotcom was an NZ citizen before they spied on him. They didn’t.
    
    Is that the FBI’s fault, too?
    - http://twitter.com/EvanKnz Evan Kennedy
      
      He’s not a New Zealand citizen. The fact is that he’s a permanent resident, and due to a law change, he can no longer be spied on, where previously he could.
guess who

i’m looking forward to the usa being outed over this for their backdoor orcastration of the who fiasco.
- Ole Juul
  
  USA being outed is my hope too, but I fear that it will be ineffectual since they are just too slippery, and downright nefarious. BTW, I really like your spelling of “orchestration” – nice touch.
- http://twitter.com/EvanKnz Evan Kennedy
  
  Would be nice if they help us pay the legal bills too. – Nzer
Guest321

Good on Dotcom but its sad that the justice system all around the world is so heavily geared in favor of the rich. Justice should be for all, rich or poor, but unfortunately its only people like Dotcom with have lots of money that has any chance of winning against the MAFIAA and the government machinery. If the common man had any real power, the MAFIAA and their cronies would have been sued out of existence by now.
- Dewey
  
  The common man has the power not to purchase their monopolistic and exploiting products, to vote for better candidates, to petition those in power, and to encourage and purchase indie and non-DRM products.
  
  In short, the common man has power, just very few chose to use it…
  - Fuxy
    
    I agree with most of your comments however “vote for better candidates”? Do you know any? All i see is just some guys pretending to believe what the masses believe in order to get the position. I’ll vote for the first guy who has the balls to say what he really believe regardless of everybody else.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      And the incumbent parties will go to every length informing you that you are “wasting your vote” in doing so.
      
      Which is of course a drop-dead lie. If everyone who was disillusioned with the dems and reps in the US had voted for other options, you can believe said dems and reps would fall over one another to gain those swing votes. Why do you think every campaign is targeted at those 20% who haven’t already latched on to one party or the other?
    - teenygozer
      
      Massachusetts dumped Tea-bagger Scott Brown (so firmly in the pocket of the Koch brothers that he can barely breath for the lint) and voted in Elizabeth Warren. We need to clone her and get one of her running for office in every state.
  - Andrew me
    
    The common man also has the power to explain and help people to use the tools available on the Internet to download as much content as they want free of charge, to spread the word that is is crazy to buy any video or musical entertainment as the people that do are in a very small minority and a minority that is getting smaller every day, also because everyone laughs at someone paying for something that is freely available /s
  - OccamsKatana
    
    There is no ‘better candidate’ in a two-party system. You can choose between Tweedle Dumb or Tweedle Dumber. The common man has power in numbers. Not alone. All we have to do is decide to stick together. We need someone to lead….
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      “We need someone to lead…”
      
      We don’t, really.
      
      All we need is to vote for something other than the established parties for three mandates in a row. As long as that means both parties lose percentages of their voter base, they will react and adapt.
      
      In short, right now every campaign in the US is aimed at the 20% who are undecided. If those 20% were 30%, one third of which were one issue, such as anti-copyright we would instantly see IP protection falling by the roadside.
      
      At that point either one new party emerges or the older parties adopt the new paradigm.
    - OccamsKatana
      
      @Scary_Devil_Monastery I should have clarified. I meant lead the rebellion. WE have to stick together against them. LOL!
      
      Help us Obi Wan Kenobi, you’re our only hope……
      
      But yeah, we need more people who don’t give a shit about voting to get out there and show their disapproval of the candidates instead of moaning about it. Should we go with a compulsory voting system? Or should we have the right to not give a shit?
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      @OccamsKatana
      
      “But yeah, we need more people who don’t give a shit about voting to get out there and show their disapproval of the candidates instead of moaning about it.”
      
      Actually what we need is for traditional reps and traditional dems too used to voting for the party irrespective of what they think of every candidate to go out and vote for something else. Whether that would be Ron Paul or Michael Moore’s damn Ficus plant. It doesn’t matter what, or whether all of the disillusioned voters go after the same goal. As long as the established parties both discover they just lost an extra 5% each to the swingers and can guess the reason.
      
      At that point there’s either fertile ground for a new party to form – as happened with the Pirate Party in Europe – or change is simply forced on the established ones.
      
      “Should we go with a compulsory voting system? Or should we have the right to not give a shit?”
      
      Good question. As a conservative liberal I’m wholly against the idea of “forcing” people to the ballot. At the same time I firmly believe that going to the ballots is the one and only real “duty” a democracy must enforce somehow.
      
      Personally I’d say you might need to reward those who took their duty on those few days in the year it concerns seriously – a minor tax break for anyone who registered a vite, for instance. Or some minor subsidy. Because one thing is clear, democracy can not survive the enemy from within called “Meh! Whatever…”.
    - OccamsKatana
      
      @Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Michael Moore’s ficus plant was running? Damn… too bad I’m not American. I would have voted for that! If for no other reason than to spoil the ballot.
      
      Perhaps the Pirate Parties should push THAT as their platform. Rather than not voting because of the lack of choices, vote for me. Many people don’t take the Pirate Parties as serious, and for the most part, they lack a serious platform and leadership. (I’m a card carrying, registered Pirate Party member in Canada, eh…) So, back to the leadership…. we need someone to lead us. Give the people faith so it’s not looked upon as a joke of a party. As Members of a Pirate Party, we need more of a platform than copyright reform. It should weigh heavily in our push, but we can’t ignore every other social, economical, what-have-you problem.
      
      The Pirate Parties need strong leadership, lest we are mocked as a joke.
      
      Why vote for me? Because then your vote isn’t going to the other guys!!! If we could get the majority of people that sit on their asses to cast a vote for other than the main parties, it would send a helluva message. I’ve seriously thought about running as a candidate, but I really don’t know enough about politics to be taken seriously. With good leadership, and ‘political coaches’ we could make a difference.
      
      *sigh*
- Guest
  
  I agree Kim Dotcom is “kinda rich” but MAFIAA has more money… Don’t forget is fighting for him, artists and internet freedom.
  - Guest
    
    he is*
Guest

Long live Mega(upload) and The Pirate Bay!
- Violated0
  
  …and Torrentz.
  
  They are all very important in their own way. TPB for standing up to the law line and going no further back. Mega for a lawful DMCA company. Then Torrentz for ending a infringement link long before a search engine begins.
  - Guest
    
    I don’t know about Torrentz but I wrote about those 2 because they tried to shutdown TPB and it’s online, they shut down Mega… temporarily. :)
    - Violated0
      
      They aim to shut down many services which once even included YouTube before they became a US national monument.
      
      The MPAA often includes Torrentz in its list of rouge websites and now even their .eu domain has been locked pending legal action. Naturally Torrentz is no more a rouge infringing site than Google is and where the MPAA only include them because they are “popular”
http://twitter.com/Power2All Power2All

Dotcom is known by most as a greedy man.
But MegaUpload is one that stands up for making it legal for sharing sites.
Atleast he “kind of” cares, compared to a lot of others that just block and limit their services.
- http://newstechnica.com David Gerard
  
  Indeed. The most boggling thing about this whole affair is that it makes a colourful racing identity like Kim Dotcom look like the hero. Not that that’s hard compared to the MPAA ;-)
  - BuddhaFacePalmed
    
    Judging by the way MAFIAA goes about, Kim Dotcom has a pretty low standard to jump over. Giving him an edge over those who keep digging themselves a hole so they don’t have to jump.
  - http://twitter.com/EvanKnz Evan Kennedy
    
    More martyr than hero.
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  I’m more in favor of an innovative entrepreneur with a lot of chutzpah demonstrating a working market model – because that proves it works.
  
  Gandhi was good at bringing idealism to the table and was necessary for India to break free from the british empire. That doesn’t mean all of his ideas would work.
Violated0

Good news indeed when once you are attacked the best deference is to attack them back and to show how bad they are.

Most important part I believe is for Kim Dotcom to find out the details of what really happened including who did what in this unlawful attack. That would include talks between the US and NZ people involved when clearly the US had a big hand in this and you can be sure that the FBI/DoJ caused the NZ to do these unlawful acts against Mega and their workers.

So the more hidden details uncovered the more shame we can throw back against them in this seriously falsely Mega raid. I also hope Kim gets to find out if they were watching his Internet link months before their claim. He may also want to sue his ISP to uncover what details they have.
- Andrew me
  
  I cannot wait to see the ex politician Mr Dodd i think his name is being implicated in this fraud and being sued as an individual for everything he owns, his house his cars and every penny he has in investments.
  This case could actually be a godsend to the pirates as it could be a case that is talked about whenever the monopolists try to “encourage ” other countries to go after site owners.
  - JordanKratz
    
    I would love to see Chris Dodd go down ! Guy is a fucking scumbag and he needs to be hacked and cracked and opened up for the World to see.
    Dodd you are shit !
    - ScrewEwe2
      
      I’d love to see that Jack Ass Chris Dodd go down on a Donkey in a Tijuana Dog and Pony Show.
Sincity

Does really someone care about Kim whoever?
- Violated0
  
  Your comment means Justice has been blindfolded and her scales are out of balance if such injustice is served but now you know why she also carries a sword.
- Bloaxor
  
  Why, do you see anyone else being in a position to outright expose corruption and political filth to such a degree as we see here?
  
  And if that wasn’t enough, then it’s slowly getting exposed officially in court.
  Where I’d hope accusations like the ones mentioned don’t “mysteriously disappear”.
  - Andrew me
    
    I do not care about who Dotcom is, he committed a few serious white collar crimes many years ago and paid his dues for them, he was punished and that is the past , a very distant past. I dont care if he is a rich pompous fool, i dont care if he flashes his wealth around and likes to make other jealous of what he has, all i care about is the fact that he is winning this war for everyone, even though he is doing for himself, we will all benefit when he takes them down.
- Andrew me
  
  More than anything in this case though, i want the American ex politician who supported and assisted with this case to be sued for every penny he owns and every penny he will ever own.
  I want to see him arrested and jailed and everything he holds dear taken from him.
  
  It would be even more amazing and a joyous occasion if the MPAA and RIAA and all there cronies were sitting at work one day when swat came in and arrested the lot of them and seized all there computers equipment and all there assets were frozen. Now that would be the best thing that could every happen in a case like this, and although it might seem like a pipe dream, if Dotcom gets a reasonable judge this really could happen/
  - ThumbsUpThumbsDown
    
    So far, he’s not done badly.
    
    Too often, these government protected Corporate Powers can bury the hatchet in their victim’s head without anyone ever discovering where the bloody hatchet came from.
    
    That’s not what’s happening here. The American prosecutor’s case is exploding in a very ugly, very public way.
    
    The more publicly that happens, the closer we are to having American Appellate Courts and American Legislatures take down the Corporate Copyright powers that are committing these atrocities.
    - Gen. Eric Guy
      
      Soon enough, “The End of the World as We Know It” will come, for certain.
      
      Thank God this is what is meant by this. Liberty will reign once again.
      
      So Corporate dickbags and MAFIAA, how’s that Apocalypse going for ya? Personally, I’m preparing myself for celebration. 12-21-12 is probably going to be one hell of an awesome day, at this rate.
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  I dunno…would you care about a guy who has his business taken down after which it turns out that most of what the government did to him was in fact illegal and there is no real case against him in the first place?
  
  Question, did you care about Rodney King or did you just go “Meh, who cares who gets rubber-hosed as long as it ain’t me”?
- teenygozer
  
  Yes.
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Truth

megaupload sure never restricted free users to 50 KB/s!!!!!!!!!!!!

they werent greedy sons of a bitches like SOME hosts of today.
Curious_Aint_It

All wars are won after many smaller decisive battles. I’ve read numerous posts that include a battle cry for a “call to arms” and fight against the injustices of the enemy.

At this point you have a small band of mercenaries that are willing to go to battle in the UK. They’re going up against a multibillion dollar industry and all they need is a measly £5,000 in order to heed your call to protect your rights.

As in any battle, front line troops need support in order to function. This is what you’ve cried out for… Why do they need to beg?

http://torrentfreak.com/help-defeat-uk-copyright-trolls-121206/

It would be nice to see all the keyboard warriors step up, show your support and “conviction to the cause” and give them the supplies they need to fight THIS battle. Who knows? This may be the battle that creates a turning point.

I’ll be curious to see how this turns out.
- KeyBeast
  
  U just need to cut off the snake head, u dont need a battle
  - Curious_Aint_It
    
    Your conviction is admirable but don’t be delusional. They’re fighting a hydra, not a snake.
    
    I’m curious as to how all the people that wanted to donate to the “Winnie the Pooh” laptop girl will choose to support the troops in this latest battle? All they received for their “support” in that action was a decisive victory for the enemy. She got a new laptop.
    
    How did that help?
    - LappyJockey
      
      “She got a new laptop.
      
      How did that help?”
      
      The answer to your question lies in your own preceding statement. She’s growing up tech-savvy and her generation will redefine the consumption of media yet again in probably new and exciting ways :)
- xpmule
  
  i’m not ready to go to battle yet..
  this case is pending and as much i support file sharing i will wait to see the verdict to make a final opinion. Works both ways.. nothing much besides this story has proven KD’s innocence. For all i know he has committed some crimes and since the case is pending we all just don’t know yet.
  
  fairness works both ways.
  
  i’ve got my lighter ready but i’m not lighting my torch yet..
  some people are too quick to grab their pitch fork and join the mob !
  - Curious_Aint_It
    
    You might want to read the link that was posted… The battle I was referring to has absolutely nothing to do with Kim Dotcom.
  - IANAL But I Know The Law
    
    “nothing much besides this story has proven KD’s innocence”
    
    Despite all the stories about the FBI requiring him to retain identified infringing files for evidence in another case which were then used as evidence of his ‘complicity in known infringement’ to bring this case against him in the first place? Or despite the fact that he was fully DMCA compliant and the DMCA offers him safe-harbour provisions against exactly this kind of action? Or despite the fact that beyond his actual obligations as a DMCA-compliant business owner he extended special tools to certain privileged entities (within the MAFIAA) to identify infringing material that would otherwise have been invisible to them and issue takedown requests for the links to that material – way beyond what he was required to do under the DMCA?
    
    There’s certainly nothing to make you think he has committed any crimes, and as our various judicial systems in supposed democracies are based on the tenet of ‘innocent until proven guilty’ (and on the idea that you have to actually be investigated and charged with ‘some crimes’ in the first instance) I’d say the balance of probability is on him not having ‘committed any crimes’. Innocence, you see, doesn’t have to be proved it has to be presumed.
KeyBeast

ummm lawsuit… what a sweet smell !!!
please sue MPAA too
Michelle Hostetler

Kim Dotcom is nothing but a thief and a criminal. Although I’m all for due process and fair justice, this man should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I smell a rat with his excessive claims of victimhood.
- Curious_Aint_It
  
  I smell a rat…
  
  Me too. Good thing you aren’t a judge since your definition of due process and fair justice include:
  
  1. Illegal surveillance.
  2. Planting evidence to secure illegal warrants.
  3. The complete seizure of assets.
  4. The seizure of innocent unrelated party’s documents and files.
  
  Really all you’re saying here is that only the people that you deem fit are allowed “due process and fair justice”.
  
  I hate living in a world of which you are a member.
- Fredrika
  
  > “Kim Dotcom is nothing but a thief and a criminal.”
  
  In reality he’s a successful entrepreneur.
  
  > “Although I’m all for due process and fair justice, this man should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”
  
  Now you’re contradicting yourself. Had due process and fair justice been given he would never have been raided in the first place, nor would his business been destroyed.
  
  > “I smell a rat with his excessive claims of victimhood.”
  
  I think factual is the word you’re looking for.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GU43EPIIFPT4SZQYYCXUDMZG5I DJ Night Force 9
  
  Even if he has a questionable history, he still appears to be our best bet in letting the US (and especially their VERY greedy corporations) understand that they just can’t walk over the rest of world as they please including spying on foreign citizens and debunking a legitimate business due of a few pirates (although I even question that; it’s probably because he was about to become a rather threatening competitor to the music business with Megabox).
  
  I’m hoping all goes as planned simply because I don’t want to see this happen to other sites. Hollywood should NOT have control over the Internet because they only care about their profits and not anybody’s privacy, security, nor online experience.
- Preston Law
  
  Sure you smell a rat, but it’s coming the other way. Don’t you think he’s already being prosecuted to the full extent of their silly copyright law? Surely you’d think that the MPAA feel worse about him than you do…
  
  And look at what they’ve managed to get on him! Nothing but some files that they ORDERED him to keep online, and proof of illegal surveillance. You betcha they victimized him.
  
  On top of the other scandals like Winnie-The-Pooh-laptop-gate, when does everybody think the lawsuit is gonna go down the tubes?
- CYBERLOCKERS ARE DEAD
  
  He’s neither, but he’s a dirty player, especially, when you go try sue your own competitors for what…doing the same business as yourself. Greed got to his head, not being able to share the pie with others, and thus his business got shut down. Now his lawsuits against the NZ government will be his only income seeing the US will keep his assets frozen, indefinitely.
- ThumbsUpThumbsDown
  
  Since the legal process against Mega-Upload and Kim-Dotcom have not yet concluded, a fair minded person would have to acknowledge that, at the very least,
  whether Kim Dot-Com or Mega-Up-Load are criminals is very much open to question.
  
  The actions of the New Zealand Government against Mega-Upload and Kim Dot-Com, on the other hand, which hitherto have enjoyed the presumption of being fully legal actions in normal public service, are being very publicly revealed to have been illegal; and, perhaps corrupt. What is worse, they appear to have been instigated at the behest of the American government.
  
  A Public Airing is no small thing here.
  
  The current ruling guarantees more future light and future more air on the corrupting effects of Corporate Copyright Holders on the Democratic Process in New Zealand and in America.
  
  The news will be a terrible Truth for the Citizens of Europe and America.
  
  Perhaps those Citizens will make the consequences a very severe Truth for Corporate Copyright Holders.
- ScrewEwe2
  
  I smell a successful lawsuit.
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  “Kim Dotcom is nothing but a thief and a criminal.”
  
  What you mean is that even after it’s been proven that government has faked evidence and used illegal seizures you still want Dotcom punished…for what? Because a government lied about him being a criminal?
  
  Dear god, lady…the rat you smell is is sitting between your chair and your keyboard.
- Ronnie
  
  “Although I’m all for due process and fair justice, this man should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”
  
  Even if it means violating the law, girl?
- Guest
  
  “this man should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”
  
  If Kim Dotcom were to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, then he wouldn’t be prosecuted at all as Megaupload wasn’t doing anything illegal and neither was he.
  
  If trolling was a crime, you’d condemned to death by firing squad.
  - N_mailer
    
    “If trolling was a crime, you’d condemned to death by firing squad.”
    
    What do you mean if?
    
    Trolls come onto TorrentFreak and make up laws all the time, stating their fantasies as fact.
    
    Try your post troll style:
    
    Trolling is a crime. It is theft. Soon you will be arrested and punished. if you do not like being harassed by the police, don’t troll. The noose is tightening and all you trolls are running scared because you don’t like being pursued as the criminals you are. Look, I troll but I know it’s illegal, and I hate it when people come up with BS reasons why it’s not.
    - Guest
      
      I don’t even know what you’re trying to say.
    - N_mailer
      
      It was a dumb joke. I agree with you.
    - Legacynettech
      
      That, Guest, is because you are stupid. It is called an analogy.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      You realize you just provided the template for “Anon”, “Nejtillpirater” and “Bob Mail”?
      
      And just about every other drop-in copytroll under a random nick.
      
      You get +1 internets for that one.
- MadAsASnake
  
  Due process in a rule of law system applies to everyone, not just those you like. Go to North Korea for the type of justice you just described.
- Wallace
  
  He’s not accused of stealing anything, so I’m not sure how familiar you are with the case.
  
  If you are all for due process and fair justice, you will be concerned that he is being prosecuted fairly and not just assume without proof that his claims are excessive.
- watfordjc
  
  He has stolen from you? No? I’m fairly sure accusing someone of committing a crime without evidence is called defamation.
  
  A criminal? Are you in a part of the world where people that have served their time are still regarded as convicts/felons?
  
  You do realise that for him to be prosecuted (unless New Zealand decide to try him, without any evidence) he needs to be extradited?
  
  You do realise that for him to be extradited the evidence behind the extradition request showing an extraditable crime has been committed needs to be provided?
  
  I wonder if Jesus would have liked to have been tried under your idea of due process and fair justice.
  - Anyone
    
    Jesus didn’t really get a fair trial, now did he?
    
    bad example ;)
  - Scary_Devil_Monastery
    
    “I wonder if Jesus would have liked to have been tried under your idea of due process and fair justice.”
    
    According to historical data, Jesus was indeed. Or as the roman annals have it, the elders of Jerusalem demanded they get rid of a troublesome heretic and the roman governor said “fair enough, whatever gets you religious fanatics off my back”.
    
    Thomas Becket got the same treatment. You have to wonder at the morals and ethics of a woman who decides to drop in only to venomously spew support for extralegal lynchings.
- xpmule
  
  try contradicting your self in a shorter statement lol
  
  KD is a thief and a criminal and i’m for fair justice.
  
  yeah uhhm contradict yourself much ? lol
  
  victimhood ?
  hmm well i guess you were there then eh ?
- Pho Queue
  
  Your biggest problem seems to be in backing up your ad hominem with any kind of fact-based evidence.
  
  Seems you’re not so keen on due process and fair justice at all as you’ve already reached a verdict without so much as a verifiable charge being presented.
  
  I really hope you never breed, there are already enough unthinking cretins in the world.
Indie Artist

So like, when do I get MY songs back?
- Anyone
  
  when the US stops holding them hostage
MAFIAA JUST DIED IN NZ

He’s going to sue them into oblivion…How do you define treble damages in this case and who’s going to pay for them? New Zealand citizens. Wow John Key must be in deep water. Fucking moron to begin with.
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  Actually, I wonder whether the MPAA/RIAA thought this one through. Is it even possib le for NZ justice to reach any other party than their own government agencies acting as cats-paws here?
  
  Because I very much doubt that Dotcom CAN go after the people who asked the NZ authorities for their intervention. After all, it’s quite legal for anyone to go to any agency and ask them to do whatever you want.
  
  But the agency asked is then the one with the responsibility to say “No”.
Rekrul

The part I don’t understand is, if it was an illegal raid, why hasn’t all of his property been given back yet?
- Guest
  
  The US were told to give the evidence back to the court which then some appointed person will go through to sort out what is relevant to the case and what is not that cannot be used. So far the US has not returned anything back and even if they did i wouldn’t be too surprised that they make a copy of the evidence for themselves to mine it for evidence to be used in the US if Dotcom is extradited.
  - Guest
    
    The US did make a copy of the server data. The NZ courts explicitly forbade them from removing any evidence from New Zealand. So the FBI then copied the data onto hard drives and shipped them back to the US without NZ’s knowledge or permission. When the NZ courts found out, they ruled that action illegal and ordered the US to return the hard drives. So far, the US has just ignored that order.
    
    The US was also ordered to provide the evidence against Dotcom to the NZ court and to Dotcom’s defense team. That was months ago. Still no response whatsoever to that order.
    
    The US has so blatantly disrespected and insulted NZ authority that at this point, the only way Kim’s extradition can succeed is if the entire NZ court system is bribed.
    - MadAsASnake
      
      You have to wonder how the FBI got access to that data and the equipment to copy it in the first place. This isn’t a little sneaky USB stick in the office – it’s a major operation that would have taken some hours, and for property in legal custody. The custodian of that data should be being asked for a good reason why he should keep is job.
    - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
      
      That is a good point you bring up, Mad. This is a HUGE operation to do, the transfer of all that data to external hard drives or whatever was brought in to transfer them to.
      
      Why the hell were the FBI stopped and told “Sorry, but until we get permission from someone way up the food chain you cannot come in here and copy anything!”
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  Because if NZ seized the data then they can certainly be forced to give it back. If they handed the originals over to a third party – which, apparently, they have – then they can’t really force the third party to give the data back.
  
  I would offhand be guessing Dotcom can rip the NZ judiciary a few new interesting orifices (and be granted free use of them) in any local court of law, but that won’t impact the US judiciary one jot.
  - You Hum It I’ll Play It
    
    The fact that the data was handed off to a third party means that the NZ judiciary can no longer be sure any evidence presented by the US DoJ at an extradition hearing hasn’t been tampered with unless they can secure the return of those drives to compare to the originals that are still in NZ custody.
    
    That one little fact alone should signal KD’s acquittal from extradition and the unfreezing of his assets in NZ.
Guest

“Detective Superintendent Pannett was told to produce an affidavit stating whether he viewed a live feed of the January raids and if so provide details of the source of the feed and the events being filmed.”

Detective Superintendent Pannett I believe is someone in the FBI in the US and I wouldn’t be too surprised if he states that he did not watch the feed as there was no live feed of the raid. I wonder what else Detective Superintendent Pannett will state in order to wriggle out of this for both him and the FIB.
- OccamsKatana
  
  Damned if he doesn’t perjure himself. I think his affidavit will have to be a little more comprehensive than: Nope.
  
  Even if there was a 1/10 of a second delay, it can’t be considered a ‘live’ feed. But all that will come out in the affidavit. I’m sure the demands were worded a little more concise than what they gave in the article here. IE: Spell out all the details of video monitoring before, during and after the raid.The judge wants the facts, not an opportunity to whitewash the BS.
  
  If he is American, and does perjure himself, I guess NZ can put out an international warrant for his arrest and illegally invade the US to get him…… Tit for tat? What’s fair is fair…… LOL!
- Ronnie
  
  “Detective Superintendent Pannett I believe is someone in the FBI in the US…”
  American law enforcement has no “detective superintendent” rank or title.
mobanche

http://tiny.cc/syp4nw
Wtfbbq1212

So he is going to go MEGA on them. $h1T just got real for NZ. Lets see how they handle their game when the tables have been turned.
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Anon

This is so much ado about so little. DotCom is a dick and even pirates see and know that. Getting all that has happened to him couldn’t be focused on a more richly deserving guy.

Wiser minds will sit tight and watch, there is a long path out ahead. In time we’ll see if digital files will have a price where there is value, and we’ll see what governments are willing to do to secure that. I think we’ll all be dumbfounded at the heavy hand ahead if piracy doesn’t stop.

My own feeling is that the network we love will be lost to pirate malfeasance.

“You can’t stop us” is the poorest leadership in generations, with no one of quality stepping up. And everything since about 1998 or 99–especially DotCom’s so-called “contributions”, will be remembered as part of the sad destruction of our freedoms because some people found a technical means to possess but avoid the purchase, and simply refused to see a larger picture than being blinded by their own greed.
- Fredrika
  
  > “This is so much ado about so little.”
  
  The government and the authorities abusing their powers and violating citizens human rights is never something little? On the contrary it’s something extremely big. Although maybe not from the perspective of a fascist i guess..
  
  > “DotCom is a dick..”
  
  Then what would you call someone who openly advocates fascism and rape of human beings?
  
  > “..and even pirates see and know that.”
  
  Do not confuse your own warped reality perception with what other people believe or know.
  
  > “Getting all that has happened to him couldn’t be focused on a more richly deserving guy.”
  
  Successful entrepreneurs deserve to have their civil and human rights violated, and their companies destroyed? Are you against capitalism? Are you advocating communism? Sounds like it..
  
  > “Wiser minds will sit tight and watch..”
  
  Would that mean that you are an unwise idiot since you can’t sit still and keep quiet, instead of continuously trying to prophesy the future all the time, about how fascism will rule, to protect some weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market, and therefore deserve no money?
  
  > “In time we’ll see if digital files will have a price where there is value..”
  
  No, that fact has already been established centuries ago. Something that anyone can manufacture themselves for free has no economical value. Everybody that has taken an economics class knows this fundamental fact to be true and firmly set in stone.
  
  > “..and we’ll see what governments are willing to do to secure that.”
  
  Governments should manipulate the free market and fundamental economical facts, to secure something that doesn’t exist? What would be the purpose of that? To destroy the US economy?
  
  > “I think we’ll all be dumbfounded at the heavy hand ahead if piracy doesn’t stop.”
  
  Yeah, it’s been going for 400 years now, and in the Internet age it’s both legislatively and technically impossible to stop it without completely destroying the entire economy of a country in the process. is that your goal? To overturn the world economy?
  
  > “My own feeling is that the network we love will be lost to pirate malfeasance.”
  
  That feeling occurs since you lack the most basic fundamental knowledge of how the Internet works, how it’s built up and what’s possible and what isn’t. Any tech savvy 15 year old, or a Chinese or Iranian politician could educate you on that, if your mind would have been open to knowledge.
  
  > “”You can’t stop us” is the poorest leadership in generations, with no one of quality stepping up.”
  
  Since on-line piracy can’t be stopped neither legislatively nor technically, why would anyone have to step up? Piracy isn’t threatened in the first place.
  
  > “And everything since about 1998 or 99–especially DotCom’s so-called “contributions”, will be remembered as part of the sad destruction of our freedoms..”
  
  Again you prove that you don’t understand the concepts of accountability or responsibility. All the responsibility for any dismantling of any freedoms always fall on the politicians, and them alone.
  
  > “..because some people found a technical means to possess but avoid the purchase..”
  
  Those means have been around since the dawn of time. The possibility to manufacture something oneself instead of wasting money buying it has always existed.
  
  > “..and simply refused to see a larger picture than being blinded by their own greed.”
  
  The desire to save money is not called greed, if something it’s called intelligence or sane financial planning.
  
  The larger picture is that non-profit piracy isn’t a problem to society, and that society has no proven need for the copyright monopoly. The only one here who refuses to see the larger picture is you yourself. But what can we expect from someone who doesn’t know how business is.
- Guest
  
  So are pirates breaking more or less law over the last five years or decade, Anon?
  
  Make up your own fucking mind, fucker! Don’t let Daddy Pelouzey do it for you; I’m sure you’re not THAT brain-damaged!
  - Guest
    
    Mostly likely, that Anon and Net are paid to shill for the entertainment industry.
    
    So it’s almost like talking with tech support for a PC vendor: There may be some intelligence behind that voice on the phone, but it’s locked up behind an absolutely brain-dead script that they are forced to read from.
    
    I say almost because no intelligent person would willingly choose to work for the MAFIAA today. Perhaps this person is just extremely desperate for money?
    - Guest
      
      Tech support? No, I think Anon resembles tech support scam callers more, who in turn resemble the MPAA. They claim something’s on your computer and for that you have to pay them through the nose.
    - Anon
      
      “Mostly likely, that Anon and Net are paid to shill for the entertainment industry.”
      
      Net and I do more to encourage piracy than anybody else on this thread. There are good reasons to pay to acquire files on principle, but I make paying for content seem like the stupidest, creepiest thing a person could do.
      
      If I were paid by anybody it would be by one of the seedier streaming sites or cyberlockers.
      
      The truth is, abuse gets me off. I like threatening you with abuse and I like when you abuse me.
    - IHaveNoBalls
      
      “Mostly likely, that Anon and Net are paid to shill for the entertainment industry.”
      
      There’s a chance they are paid shills, they sure do talk like what you’d expect and MPAA cunt to talk like. But its not most likely true, its a possibility, that’s all. I think Net is just a troll
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      Please don’t confuse Anon or NTP with Tech support. Tech support reads from a script which has been established to be true more often than not.
      
      Whereas the claims Anon and NTP usually purport are based on an interpretation of law, technology and moral so skewed they manage to consistently get every statement wrong.
      
      Which is what is truly sad. In order to back up the case for copyright, the maximalists no longer have a choice other than making true trolls look reasonable in comparison.
- Guest 1
  
  “This is so much ado about so little. DotCom is a dick and even pirates see and know that. Getting all that has happened to him couldn’t be focused on a more richly deserving guy.”
  
  Being a “dick” is not a crime, or you’d be serving a life sentence, boy.
- Guest
  
  Anon is shitting himself because the MPAA & RIAA are half dead, the case against MegaUpload is falling apart and backfiring all over the place, and Kim Dotcom is about to bring the pain down on the GCSB for illegally spying on him – and possibly reveal illegal collusion with the U.S. in the process.
  
  Expect his comments to get more deranged as his side continues to lose.
  
  “You can’t stop us”
  
  Is reality and you can’t do a damn thing about it except gnash your teeth and wail.
- MadAsASnake
  
  Pirating is not risking the internet. It’s shitheads like you that are trying to break it because you don’t like it.
- Mogo
  
  Stop victim-blaming. The copyrightists and the corrupted legal systems that server them are at fault here. We have a right to copy, and it is right to break unjust laws. Remember, copyright monopoly is incompatible with free markets, property law and freedom of speech. Copyright monopoly enforcement will cease within my lifetime in civilised countries, even as fascists try to use it as an excuse for oppression.
  
  Plenty would agree that kim tends to be a bit of a dick, but it’s the copyright monopolists who are blinded by their own greed, and any of kim’s dickishness is dwarfed by the MAFIAA (“vcr is the boston strangler” …right) and others who presume to censor others and destroy the greatest innovation since printing press in the name of anti-free-market copyright monopoly profits. At least kim is technologically literate, the MAFIAA and fascist governments seem to think they can just wish the internet and the reality of digital communications away. They’re not fighting us, they’re fighting against *mathematics*. It’s truly stupid. Even people fighting *physics* have a better chance. What they wan’t isn’t just impractical, it’s impossible in the literal sense.
- Anon
  
  Again, just to be clear, we’ll all be dumbfounded at the heavy hand about to be applied to our backsides and lower thighs if we do not obey our masters. You will be just as dumbfounded as me and I will not be turned on at all by that heavy hand on your buttocks.
  
  I am sad about the harsh punishment that is about to come as our freedoms are stripped away simply because some people were greedy, and by greedy I mean they own things they did not pay cash for.
  - Wat
    
    i have no masters, wtf are you on about.
  - ThumbsUpThumbsDown
    
    You’re right about the heavy hand…..
    Did you really say “our” Masters?
    Pirates don’t have Masters…… Speaking about that heavy hand……
  - Scary_Devil_Monastery
    
    Damn, you keep sounding like the real maximalist “Anon”.
- IHaveNoBalls
  
  “My own feeling is that the network we love will be lost to pirate malfeasance.”
  
  What network is that, facebook or twitter?
  
  The internet is a rubbish dump nowadays, remember how well you’re search results worked ten years back.. Now i cant even do a simple search without getting BS..
  
  So who even cares anymore, all that we have to look forward to is shit like facebook, pay per view videos and a who load of controlled information and spying.
  
  and
  
  ” DotCom’s so-called “contributions”, will be remembered as part of the sad destruction of our freedoms ”
  
  You are so naive i swear, you’re suggesting that they will use Dotcom to erode our freedoms and so you blame him instead of the people taking away the freedoms, typical…
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  Thank you for informing us that you see due process as completely irrelevant as long as you don’t like the guy.
  
  I wonder if you realized that means that you’ve given all of us who don’t much care for you the goahead to string you up as well.
  
  Usually when i propose we let trolls provide the rope themselves, I don’t mean it that literally, but you really do break any and all boundaries. Reading you trying to make an argument sound reasonable is like watching a train wreck in slow motion, with the driver hanging his naked bum out the window and yelling “GERONIMO!”.
  
  “…and we’ll see what governments are willing to do to secure that. I think we’ll all be dumbfounded at the heavy hand ahead if piracy doesn’t stop.”
  
  Since we already know piracy will not stop or falter in any human society even when the “heavy hand” includes a few thousand deaths (as we have examples of in French history, for instance) no pirate today will be surprised to see the hand getting “heavier”.
  
  Not that it will affect us. Piracy is already beyond any and all possible legislation save one rendering the internet illegal to run at all.
  Which brings us to your next feverish claim.
  
  “My own feeling is that the network we love will be lost to pirate malfeasance.”
  
  Oh, yes…because in order to preserve Copyright, government will decide to break every aspect of the modern global economy.
  
  Have a wee look at China – the most draconian online environment possible without BREAKING the online environment. Now look at the estimated 60% activel filesharers in that online environment.
  What you keep failing to see is that more draconian laws further the growth of piracy – it doesn’t restrict it. Legal business will always be far more affected by such law than filesharers. For the same reason that no one has ever really tried to wipe out drug trade by mandating every citizen to strip-searched at every street corner.
  
  If, as you say, “the network we love” is in danger of getting lost then the public will vote anyone into office willing to ensure that network continues to exist. And it won’t be the one mandating that pirates should be flogged and hung at every street corner.
  SOPA and PIPA threatened Facebook and that alone sufficed for government to drop those acts for keeps. You think – honestly – that anything even remotely in that neighborhood will fly?
  
  “”You can’t stop us” is the poorest leadership in generations, with no one of quality stepping up.”
  
  Leadership isn’t really needed when what is happening is a movement by the people and for the people. The US revolution made leaders – it didn’t happen because there already were. The same way Marting Luther King Jr. wasn’t necessary for Rosa Parks to become uppity.
  
  TL;DR? Nice bit of trolling but, sadly, every last argument you place on the table still falls flat in the face of history and common reason. You had – unbelievably enough – more credibility when you were advocating rape as a suitably penalty for copying media files, as that reflected only your personal opinion.
ScrewEwe2

Off this Topic, but an interesting read about Prenda Law.

Copyright troll Prenda Law is accused of using a stolen identity for their offshore plaintiffs

http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2012/11/30/copyright-troll-prenda-law-is-accused-of-using-a-stolen-identity-for-their-offshore-plaintiffs/
Jimbo

would be interesting if the NZ GCSB went on to sue the US DoJ for feeding them false information, based on yet other false information supplied by the US entertainment industries, particularly, it seems, from the MPAA, after the statement that nob o’Leary just put out. i somehow doubt if there will be too much in the way of cooperation between the two law enforcement agencies in the future, not without specific written proof and the signed assurance from the head honcho that everything is fully legal before being undertaken
- MadAsASnake
  
  The NZ ruling is absolutely right. GCSB get no protection from disclosure because they were not operating within the law. There is also no National Security interest here (questions why GCSB even got involved) so everything should be revealed. The US agencies might be a little more cautious with this sort of BS in future. It would not be difficult to believe that their discussions with the NZ govt. would be protected. Also, a lot of folks in NZ might think a little harder about grandstanding for the benefit of US business interests.
  - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
    
    The problem with having a secret spy agency that answers to basically no one is because they answer to basically no one, they can get involved in things that they shouldn’t.
    
    That’s true with the CIA and NSA in America as well.
    - MadAsASnake
      
      GCSB seems to have some co-operation deals that pretty much nullify any oversight. If there was a case to spy on KDC it would need to have been done by SIS. SIS need explicit permission (from the PM I believe), so it’s a lot easier to use GCSB.
- Guest
  
  Good point. I’m not entirely sure if Kim can sue the US directly, but he can sue New Zealand, as it was the NZ government’s responsibility for checking out the American’s request before acting on it–and it was the NZ government’s responsibility to follow their own laws.
  
  But maybe the NZ government can then sue the US government somehow to compensate for the damages that Dotcom will receive from NZ. Then, in an ideal world, the MPAA/RIAA would receive a heavy backlash from the US government for dragging them into this mess.
  
  But no matter what happens, this case should make other governments around the world think twice before cooperating with the US.
  - MadAsASnake
    
    I get the idea that DotCom doesn’t want to go hard on the NZ taxpayers (he likes his popularity there). I also suspect that if he can get some direct proof of MPAA / RIAA involvement, that substantial claims might be filed in the US. I wouldn’t expect the NZ govt to get involved in that. In the past, NZ hasn’t been shy at taking a position of principle against the US, though that seems unlikely with Key. I’ve been away from NZ too long to know if any of the current opposition would prove more robust in this regard – maybe some other Kiwi’s here can share their views on this.
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Royalgrand

WINNING!
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Guest

GO KIM!
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watfordjc

When one talks about due process and fair justice, along with how things should really be done, the “would it kill Jesus?” question should be asked before committing to the proposed system.

Some people just don’t bother doing a risk assessment or apply the precautionary principle.
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  “Some people just don’t bother doing a risk assessment or apply the precautionary principle.”
  
  Usually some guy giving ignorant button-pushing “business critical” orders from a continent away meaning that the local administrators get to wake up to a fáit accompli of a screwed-up system not working anymore.
  
  This is why I dread going on vacation these days. Coming back to a place where I wasn’t there to say “The hell you do” and informing the powers-that-be exactly how their proposed solution will break “business critical concerns” – like legal compliancy or invoicing.
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