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Kim Dotcom: US Govt Is Protecting An Outdated Monopolistic Business Model

The dramatic shutdown of Megaupload and the US government’s case against the operators of the service has the potential to alter the entire service provider landscape, not just in the United States but all around the world. Indeed, some observers believe that has already happened. After defeating attempts to put him back behind bars yesterday, Mega founder Kim Dotcom is back with more insights into the reasons behind the site’s closure.

After speaking with TorrentFreak on Monday, Kim Dotcom has elaborated on his situation in an interview with 3news’ Campbell Live, which now gives us the opportunity to reveal a bit more detail about the current musings of the Megaupload founder.

Aside from the heavy-handed nature of the shutdown, the underlying shock in this case has its roots in the undermining of a previously presumed level of legal protection for service providers.

Earlier this week, Dotcom told us that in recent years Megaupload had spent millions of dollars seeking out the very best legal advice and the conclusions drawn were clear – providing the site did its part in tackling infringement it would be protected under the DMCA and could not be held liable for the actions of its users.

Towards achieving this protection, Dotcom told us that the company had developed relationships with 180 takedown partners – companies authorized to directly remove infringing links from Megaupload’s systems – and between them they had taken down in excess of 15 million links. Those companies included the major studios of the MPAA who, incidentally, in 7 years of the company’s existence had never tried to sue Megaupload for copyright infringement.

On the advice of Megaupload’s legal team, the company believed it had the same rights as YouTube in its case against entertainment giant Viacom. In that 2010 case U.S. District Judge Louis L. Stanton said service providers can not be held liable for infringement as long as they remove links upon copyright holder request – even if the provider knows that parts of their service are being used to host illicit content.

“[YouTube] won their lawsuit and I’m sitting in jail, my house is being raided, all my assets are frozen without a trial, without a hearing. This is completely insane, is what it is,” said Dotcom of his predicament.

Dotcom told TorrentFreak that the indictment left out many key facts, not least that Megaupload users enter into a binding legal agreement when they sign up to the file-hoster which included promising not using the service to commit crimes or infringements, a point tackled again today by 3news’ John Campbell.

“Of course, that is a romantic notion though, isn’t it, that just because we tick the box accepting the terms of service that we’re going to behave ourselves when we’re in there, right?” questioned Campbell, adding that Mega must’ve known that people would have inevitably agreed to the terms of service and then gone on and done whatever they liked.

“Well there are other laws that protect users and those are privacy laws. For example in the US it’s the Electronic Communication Privacy Act which prohibits us from looking into the accounts of users proactively and look for things,” responded Dotcom. “It’s like mail, it’s private, we cannot just go in there and police what these users are uploading.”

Although the company is clearly trying to distance themselves from comparisons to Megaupload, Swiss-based RapidShare made much the same point in a recent TorrentFreak interview. The file-hoster said that it would always respect customer privacy by never looking through their files without permission. Earlier this month, the EU Court effectively banned the practice after music rights group SABAM failed in its bid to force social networking site Netlog to proactively scan uploaded user files for infringement.

It’s not unusual for huge figures to be punted around in copyright infringement cases and in this one in particular Megaupload is accused of costing copyright holders half a billion US dollars. That figure has been repeated dozens of times but according to Dotcom, it’s just the tip of the iceberg.

“If you read the indictment and if you hear what the Prosecution has said in court, at least $500 million of damage were just music files and just within a two-week time period. So they are actually talking about $13 billion US damage within a year just for music downloads. The entire US music industry is less than $20 billion,” he explained.

So, with all of the file-hosting services out to choose from, why would the authorities single out Megaupload? We discussed this with Dotcom on Monday and in common with the Campbell interview, the name Mediafire came up.

Mediafire is a huge file-hosting operation – in July 2011 they were clocking up 34 million unique monthly visitors, just 3 million behind Megaupload. In the previous month, the term “mediafire” was even partially censored by Google as being a piracy-related term. There can be little doubt that either Hollywood or the recording labels asked Google to take this action.

But of course what Mediafire doesn’t have is the imagery generated by a figurehead like Dotcom, and if there’s one thing that Hollywood is all about after money, it’s image – and Dotcom believes he presents their perfect arch-enemy character.

“I’m an easy target. My flamboyance, my history as a hacker, you know, I’m not American, I’m living somewhere in New Zealand around the world. I have funny number plates on my cars, you know, I’m an easy target,” he told 3news.

“I’m not Google. I don’t have 50 billion dollars in my account and right now I’ve not a penny on my account. All my lawyers currently are basically working without a penny and they are all still on board and all still doing their job because what they see here is unfair, is unreasonable and is not justice.”

But when one cuts through all the drama of the past couple of months and even with the demise of Megaupload, a service painted as the worst of the worst by Hollywood and the authorities, piracy has not gone away. Despite everything it continues and Dotcom believes the reasons for that are obvious – it’s a service issue, with regional time delays providing a prime example.

“If the business model would be one where everyone has access to this content at the same time, you know, you wouldn’t have a piracy problem. So it’s really, in my opinion, the government of the United States protecting an outdated monopolistic business model that doesn’t work anymore in the age of the internet and that’s what it all boils down to,” he explains.

Yesterday, at the behest of the US government, a court in New Zealand considering revoking Kim Dotcom’s bail. In the event that attempt failed, with the Megaupload founder continuing to insist that he’s not going to flee the country as the prosecution has suggested.

For what it’s worth, we believe Dotcom’s claim. He is full of fight, genuinely optimistic that he can win this battle, and has exciting plans for the future – none of which appear to involve hiding in a cave or befriending Hugo Chavez.

“I’m no piracy king,” he concludes. “I offered online storage and bandwidth to users and that’s it.”

You can watch the full 3News show here, and read our earlier article here.

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  • Goosmoo

    He hit the nail on the head. It’s about the money. Nobody can expect to take on Google and win. But it’s a lot easier to take on one guy with a lot fewer resources and a checkered past.

    I see infringing content on youtube ALL the time, yet nobody dares go after the big G. If Google had owned MU, none of this would have happened, and it would be business as usual, and we’d still be watching movies.

    • Goosmoo

      legal movies of course…. lol

    • Guest

      Please DO NOT forget Megabox. It would “kill” iTunes by giving more profit directly to the artists.

      • http://twitter.com/AndySpiaggi AndySpiaggi

        Yes, Megabox is being omited, DOTCOM was taken down before flight. But saying it would “kill” iTunes is an understatement, it would cut out record companies. So blame these.

    • Mok342

      I always wondered about Youtube since it is loaded with copyrighted movies and other content. And why doesn’t the US Government raid Cogent? They took one million per month for the Megaupload servers and they certainly knew what was going on. If Megaupload is responsible for the content of its users then Cogent should be just as responsible.

      • Anonymous

        it’s already in the indictment that indicates Cogent and Carparthia hosting was working with the FBI in taking down Kim. That’s why they’re only listed as co-conspirators and not indicted. Basically they saved their own ass. Who are we to blame for them to do that.

      • Anyone

        itunes gives 70% to the “artist”, the only problem is that in that case the “artist” is still the record company skimming off most of the profits

        • Rohe

          It cost $50 to upload “your” crap to seven services including iTunes via tunecore.com. The problem is not 30% off, the problem is that 30% off nothing is still nothing because nobody knows you. Or you are unable to produce something the masses want in the quality they want it. Some peoples dis iTunes because they grab 30% for doing nothing, but those people are usually already music millionaires.

          OK GO, for example, constantly throws up crazy complex videos on Youtube, everybody is talking about that, but are those doing something about it? Just staring at the upload-button will not change anything.

        • Rurikloderr
    • Ralph

      The big Google pays labels big $$$.

    • Mwhahaha

      And he wasn’t in it for his own profit at all….

      He does make some valid points, but when he’s earning money off the back of other people’s hard work and vision then I have little sympathy.

      Why can’t the studios set up a similar ad driven service?

      • Zig

        Then every single ISP is earning money off the back of other people’s hard work. All those billions of hours spent building all those websites, filling them with all that content. And those dirty evil ISPs are making money by simply selling people access to it all. Do the content creators see a penny of that money? o they don’t. Therefore ISPs are STEALING!!!

        /sarcasm (obviously), but you get the point.

        • i3o6

          Yes, the ISPs should pay “the artists” for every meter of cable they own and are connected to! Also the volume of 3G coverage!

    • Anonymous

      It’s easy to take on Google, if first you seize ALL their assets, servers, and throw the execs in jail. Take away all anyone’s resources, and all they have left is NUTHIN’.

      My Gawd, they didn’t seize OJ Simpson’s assets when he was accused of murder. And we all know you can buy your way out with enough cash. Now take away anyone’s resources and I don’t care who you are. Can’t pay your lawyers, yer screwed. Dotcom will pay his lawyers at the end of the day. If he gets a fair trial of course.

      I don’t know why the US gov’t is even bringing this to trial. Throw Kim Dotcom in Guantanamo as an enemy of the state and deny him justice like they do with every other ‘terrorist’. (note sarcasm!)

      There is no justice. In a few years, the US will openly admit to hiring assassins cuz it’s cheaper and easier than chasing them and proving ( ! ) anything. They are getting so arrogant that it will only be time before they openly admit that the rules don’t apply to them. Oh, they admit it now, but in circles…. IE: Yes, we see your petitions and protests, but we don’t have to stick to the letter of the law. We ARE the law around here….

      • i3o6

        No need for sarcasm, the [b]did[/b] send a fkn anti-terrorist squad to collect him!

        • i3o6

          carp … diddley*

    • Anonymous

      Google also has programs that search waveforms and actually manages to remove a HUGE amount of infringing content automatically. They’ve made it clear they will cooperate with these things, since they’ve already been taken to court multiple times by companies like Viacom. And then yes, they’re Google, and no one fucks with the best lawyers $50 Billion can buy.

      • Anonymous

        Its too bad those same programs also flag tons of content that isn’t infringing or is compliant with the DCMA.

    • yello

      few points…. I just got back from watchin the episode of 3news… now im gonna get a few posters of my new god….. ps…. as i was watching the episode, one of my movies finished downloading… piracy lives on…

  • weka

    Here’s a mirror of the interview, TV3′s website is getting hammered

    http://serve2.com/file/kim-interview

    • Camilo

      I believe this thread is bugged by the copy-morons or something :/

  • Anonymous

    Good luck to him and this will sure be the biggest court case for what could be the next few years. No surprise at all that the RIAA based music monopoly is behind this one what with the previous UMG versus the Mega Song.

    15 million links removed by 180 take-down partners, including the MPAA, sure sounds like DMCA safe-harbour compliance to me. The Judge may simply laugh this case out of Court.

    We can only hope Kim gets this Copyright Conspiracy shut down and their power base shattered under anti-trust laws.

    • Anonymous

      Which is why they invented all of these other charges, and made silly claims to cast them as villains.

      They were laundering their illegal gains! – The company used their revenue to pay for the costs of hosting and server space.

      The estimated damages are in the kajillions! – We can’t prove they cost anyone a freaking dime so we pulled a number out of a hat based on math from studies the **AA’s gave us that have been soundly debunked repeatedly.

      THEY USED TO MUCH ORANGE! – So we arrested the graphic designer.

      I think they will have a hard time getting him out of NZ, as they will need to prove the “criminal” portion of the case to get NZ to extradite.

      • MadAsASnake

        They’d use a parking ticket as evidence of criminality… oops – crime therefore all financial transactions are fraud and laundering…

        Joke

        • stopping by

          It’s good to see that most people still feel the need to talk about RIAA, Big Content, Big Gov when they try to defend theft.

          Goes to show that nobody really wants to steal from ordinary people like you and me. And that happens to be what the new music ‘industry’ is made of. Ordinary people. Individuals.

        • Anyone

          noone is stealing, we’re just copying

        • MadAsASnake

          @stopping by

          I am not defending theft.

        • Anonymous

          @MadAsASnake: is it really stealing from them if all your doing is taking it back? They steal from us to begin with…… We are standing up to them by taking it back.

        • MadAsASnake

          @OccamsKatana

          Copyright infringement is not theft.

          Copyright and IP law is currently very broken and being pushed in the wrong direction by vested interests as we see here. The balance is too far to the claimants who are increasingly claiming property rights on it – which doesn’t work.

          While I don’t necessarily agree with copyright infringement, its a pretty trivial offense [like personal use grow-your-own]. It’s happening on an increasing scale because several incumbent industries have failed to understand a very disruptive technology: The Internet.

          The disruption has occurred in a number of ways that were difficult to predict:
          - information is now easy to find – we get a lot closer to perfect market conditions
          - information is now completely abstracted from media
          - information communication is simplicity itself

          So we see several responses to this:
          - censorship. So while big media embarces the marketing opportunities, they demand total control over what can be there. They are attacking links (the basis of HTML) and trying to create vicarious responsibility laws (but not for themselves, of course) and reverse burden of proof. This censorship threatens legitmate interests well beyond their sphere of activity.
          - attempts at tying information to media. We see DRM, and complaints about format shifting. DRM only hurts paying customers and format shifting is fine – once I have that media, I’ll use it however I want (no, that doesn’t include selling it…). It’s actually beyond their control anyway.
          - I don’t think the content industries know what to make of high speed digital comms. They don’t like it as they can’t control it, so we get all this copying is evil BS.

          Some things are clear – people are not going to put up with having to access media by going to rental shops and paying premium prices and only when the providers say we can have it. Why? When copying and transmission is so easy, why artifically restrict access? This approach isn’t working, as people are solving the problem themselves. This of course has always happened within family groups, neighbours and so on but the nature of the internet spreads this way further – it’s just one of those disruptive effects.

          Rights (including those enshrined in copyright) are social grants that are very delicate. In denying the rights of others while demanding for themselves the content creators have actually forfeited them. If they want to sell and profit from their copyright legitimately, they must make a viable business proposition to the market. The Internet gaurantees that this today is different than it was even ten years ago. The old business model is dead – it just doesn’t know it yet.

          We’ve seen digital technology do this in several industries already… photography – film is a rarity now, music, well iTunes changed that game, mail, telephony and so on. Now the incumbents do have stuff to offer – they have vast experience in production and so on but need to understand the the game has changed. They are only making pariahs of themselves at the moment.

          I suspect that this is the tipping point. It’s impossible to justify the methods used to takedown Mega – Mega might not survive but I don’t think the US DOJ will try that again.

          … hope this gives an idea of where I am coming from …

    • Anonymous

      Which is why they told Kim Dotcom “You can’t touch us” when he was suing over his MegaUpload Song. How fucking corrupt is that? They knew he was cooked long before. What kind of conspiracy is that?? Sad, really…..

  • politux

    If i had the cash I’d donate to his legal fund.

    • Mwhahaha

      I’d imagine he’s quite well off

  • Anonymous

    Kim Dotcom 4 President

  • Steve Smith

    Welcome to corp run goverment. where $$$ buys you ppl in charge.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000467119517 Jay Schmidt ?

      Governments have always been this way. It was never about building roads, educating children, and keeping you safe from foreign invaders. The purpose of government is to extract the maximum amount of wealth possible from the middle class. Governments are monopoly security corporations. Google Murray Rothbard for more insight into this from an economics perspective.

      • X1

        A thousand times this. The older I get, the more I realize Rothbard was right. Thinking you need the State because it provides roads, schools, etc., is like inviting the Devil in through your front door because he brought a housewarming present. It may take a while, but you’re guaranteed to regret letting him in.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/matthew.feringa Matthew Feringa

    Really good interview. Can’t wait for August when the New Zealand court will refuse extradition

    • Anonymous

      The problem with that is the mighty US will still have all his assets. Unless he fights, he’s screwed. Unfortunately, if he does go, the last thing he’ll get is a fair trial.

      • Anonymous

        Two problems in that idea.

        First is that it is other countries beyond the US who hold most of his assets and with extradition refused and no future trial then those assets should soon be released back to him.

        Then second would be even with his butt stuck in NZ he could still then send his lawyers to the US to sue them.

        He will have a hard time trying to beat extradition though when this is usually a smooth process aimed to bring people to justice. Of course the US in this case are using it to bring them to punishment instead and he is lucky to have a good team of lawyers.

        • Anonymous

          Fingers crossed that should extradition be refused that he would get 100% of his assets released. But as they were seized under duress of threats of sanctions, etc, by the US government, it is likely those threats will still stand. We all know how the US LOVES it’s sanctions. (Do it our way or we won’t play with you anymore!) And they certainly won’t release his seized servers in Virginia.

          Send his lawyers to the US? You mean retain lawyers in the jurisdiction he’ll be suing? I don’t think his lawyers would be licensed to practice if they were sent. Would that still work, even if he is a material witness and wouldn’t be there to testify?

          In any case, it’ll be interesting over the next while.

        • Anyone

          the extradition has nothing to do with his seized assets
          i’m sure they will keep those even if he wins the extradition case

        • Anonymous

          His assets were seized for the trial under a major crime condition.

          If such a trial cannot go ahead then it is up to each country to decide what to do with those assets and all of those would see the ruling of one NZ Judge saying that the extradition request is not valid and rejected.

          He could then apply to have seized assets released. Getting seized assets back from the US would be more of a problem but those assets should be minor compared to NZ and HK.

          I see my “send his lawyers to the US” was not the best description when more correctly his lawyers can all meet in the US and authorised US lawyers can represent his case there.

          Still as I said before unless his lawyers are really good then I would expect his Mega butt to be extradited to the US for trial. It will then be up to the US Judge what to do with his assets following many appeals by the loser.

  • djnforce9

    I still believe he suddenly became a target because of the service he was about to open that offered a 90% return rate for music artists. That would have completely obliterated those worthless labels that grab all for themselves and offer the bare minimum in return. I hope he wins and gets that new label model off the ground to teach those pathetic leeches a lesson that artists ARE worth a lot more than like 1% of the total profits from their works.

    • Anonymous

      And FBI and MPAA and RIAA had a timemachine that could go into 2011 and predict that Megabox was going to happen when they started the investigation in 2010 March? Please don’t let off nonsense unless it’s real good nonsense. Yours is bad.

      I’m not siding with any of the aforementioned organizations, but RIAA didn’t want his guts, the MPAA did and Megabox wouldn’t be a factor that would harm their business.

    • Anonymous

      Those musicians who sign up to an RIAA label would be looking at about a 60% cut leaving them with 40% or usually even less due to their trickery.

      It is indeed an obsolete distribution system that will only collapse further as more and more distribution outlets welcome the independents.

      • Camilo

        What???

        No no, much way much less than 40%. Unless you’re the next Britney Spears you don’t see the color of the money. And even then, do you think she’d still be working for them if she had gained a substantial amount of the money?

        Once you deal with them, you’re screwed.

        • Capt Sensi

          You’re absolutely right. At most you’re lucky if you see as much as 4 or 5 percent as an artist. And even then, that percentage has to be used to pay back the original record label advance used to record the tracks. They never use the money THEY earn from selling your music as a repayment for their ‘investment’. Only after they’ve recouped their outlay (via YOUR royalties) do you actually start to see any payments coming to you. So a huge majority of artists never make any money from selling their music and rely solely on live shows for income. The recordings for an artist are purely publicity to raise awareness of their existence, build a fanbase and increase audiences at their gigs, thus make more money form those gigs. So with alternative distribution and publicity channels now available cheaply for any artist there’s not really a good reason left to sign to a label.

      • Jmorse43508

        It’s much, much less than 40% the artist gets when they sign a contract with an RIAA-affiliated label. Try around 10% (or less in the case of iTunes).

        I’m not sure exactly what it is, but I’m sure it isn’t 40%. RIAA label artists are constantly being screwed over by their labels, unless they are a big name act that earns the label a lot of money,

  • Federal Mafia

    US government will continue to trample on the rights of its citizens and foreign citizens with corporate pressure until voters and taxpayers raise enough hell over it to stop them. Its simply a criminal organization unchecked.

  • Noah C.

    This is the bottom line. Whether or not the business model is out-dated or not has absolutely no effect on whether what Kim was doing was either immoral or illegal.

    In the Governments eyes, what Kim was doing illegal. I can’t just steal something from an Amish person’s business because “their business model is out-dated.” It doesn’t matter.

    Unless Kim can prove that MegaUpload was actively taking down downloads as requested my DMCA takedown requests, then he doesn’t have much hope.

    I’m a long time Torrent-Freak reader, and it hurts me to say this. Torrentfreak has become a breeding ground extremists dedicated to the theft of music and movies under the guise of a “moral” obligation/right to do them. File-Sharing, such as giving my friend a CD I burned, is not file sharing in the same sense as Torrenting something which is also being torrented by 400 other people. Think about if they DID buy that CD. That’s $2,000 to the artist.

    Is the Entertainment Industry Outdated and wrong at times? YES. Absolutely. I think even they would agree with it. The Industry is at a point in it’s existence where the entire music scene is transitioning around this one thing called the Internet, and the beast doesn’t know how to react.

    They’ll come around. In 20 years, we won’t have these problems. Is there anything wrong with Kim’s Cyberlocker Service? No, but if it IS being used extensively for the piracy of Intellectual Property, then the owners have the right to send a DMCA take down notice. If the download is still up, the have the 100% right to sue to the maximum.

    • Stellablu777

      they have the right to sue in a civil case – so why didn’t they? and have you listened to the interview? Kim claims that DMCA take-down notices were honoured – even more, that big content providers had direct access to servers, where they could take down however much they wanted. Which is why MU never got sued before this whole “criminal conspiracy” thing was sprung on them. Whatever you think of the rights and wrongs of copyright, clearly the main charges here (and the ones that got all that foreign police involvement), are drummed-up ones, eg. money-laundering charges where in reality we talk about paypal payments by users and advertisers – all based on the existece of a “criminal conspiracy”. And this is wrong. BTW, it is true that Germany can and should prosecute a case brought by a foreign government, if they think the charges hold, and they clearly would given the seriousness of the alleged money-laundering and racketeering – but Echternach has been arrested and realeased without charge, apparently the Germans don’t believe they have a case.

      • MadAsASnake

        NZ doesn’t think there is a case in NZ either…no charges brought there… odd isn’t it

      • Alice3415

        This case is clearly about copyright issues and only that. The use of RICO by the U.S. is certainly overreaching and is abusive prosecution.

        • Anonymous

          Yes not to forget that a good RICO case usually takes around 10 years to assemble while this Mega case has clearly been thrown together in a short space of time due to the numerous mistakes made.

    • MadAsASnake

      Noah, copying a CD for your girlfriend is exactly the same thing. Trust me 400 sales won’t give the “artist” $2000 in this rigged setup – drink at the bar if they are lucky. And 400 downloads will never translate int 400 lost sales. Mega WAS honoring take-downs. And prosecution has to prove he wasn’t. It’s called Innocent until poroven guilty. Now we all know MPAA always want to reverse burden of proof – but (with the odd exception of Germany) they haven’t got that. MPAA didn’t want safe harbour at all – they want infinite rights to take down ANYTHING with no accountability. The part you have missed is that any particular work will be up dozens or hundreds of times. Each one has to be taken down independantly – and no he can’t monitor the uploads for this – it’s illegal in most countries.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NS5PLUJ2PVRME66VUECIGCZYGU Rick

        Well said and well informed.

    • Anonymous

      “That’s $2,000 to the artist.”

      I’ll just leave this here….
      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120223/14091117852/did-universal-music-try-to-expense-costs-eminems-producers-suing-over-unpaid-royalties-back-to-eminems-producers.shtml

      When it takes years to sue them to get what the contract says your supposed to be getting, and when you win they just hold it against your profits.

      Copyright infringment is a civil offense in the US, this is a criminal farce to get him out of NZ and to the US where they can make him suffer more. The treaty doesn’t work for civil claims.

      While there are many people sharing to “stick it to the man”, the industry threw the first punch. “Piracy” is often the result of denying consumers access to what they want. If you make it available people will pay you for it, but when you make it impossible for people to pay you and obtain it until some silly flowchart says its safe to release it in the next tiny portion of the globe your model is flawed. There is this thing, its call the internet. We can send messages to the upsidedown land of OZ in milliseconds… why does it take them 2 years to get a record there? Why do they still cry about the loss of album sales, and charge artists for the standard rate of breakage of vinyl records for each release?

      I hear alot of people use guns to commit crimes, lets arrest all the gun manufacturers. Sounds silly don’t it?

      • Oscaroreilly

        1. Just posting alink to a techdirt article does not constitute a counter argument.

        2. If your “availability” argument were true then of course piracy would only take place in the territories it is unavailable and only of the content which is unavailable. We all knwo this isn’t true. It goes along with “If I like it, I’ll buy it” as one of the great 21st century lies.

        3. I actually would forbid the sale of guns but that’s another argument.

        3. Using the “occupy movement” face as your avatar doesn’t make your argument more valid or you more mysterious and techwise. What’s happening in Syria is Government oppression not stopping you and your mates nicking music.

        • Stellablu777

          Funny you should say this – given that in ref to your point 2), MU was not all that big in the US – it was actually biggest in Asia, Latin America, France and Spain – those places where content isn’t available and/or there is a considerable time lag – and in many cases, where people are actually too poor to buy content at the prices the music industry wants to charge (and yes, that may include Spain at the moment – youth unemployment is endemic in that country..). Read up on your facts before you claim that “we all know..”.

        • Anyone

          1. it is about how the record companies are screwing artists, they are the ones stealing from artists, not the pirates

          2. look at steam, itunes or netflix, they all easily compete with free. itunes and netflix would do even better if it didn’t have to regionlock much of its content

          3. yes it is

          4. (learn to count :p) the guy fawkes mask has been the symbol of anonymous long before the occupy movement or the arab spring.

        • Anonymous

          Posting a link to a techdirt article that supports my statement, rather than just making a statement with no actual factual basis like yourself would make me a douche. Being able to support ones position with factual information rather than your “feelings” and what some media talking head told you was true is important when having a debate on an issue.

          As the others have pointed out Mega was way bigger outside of the US, but you seem to be stuck on the idea that the US is the center of the universe so everything has to happen here.

          The gun argument, is the same argument they are using to railroad Kim Dotcom. Its ridiculous to think that way and sometimes you have to reframe the argument to make people see it. But nice try trying to dodge that one.

          Funny my Avatar is a representation of Guy Fawkes, a historical figure.
          It is also the “face” of Anonymous, V from V for Vendetta, as well as Occupy.
          Trying to compare Syria and the issues there to a completely unrelated topic means you have found yourself in a corner and can’t think your way out of it.
          You brought these subjects up, so I am guessing your just trying to cloud the issue on which you find yourself outwitted.

          Want to try again?

        • Tom

          “it is about how the record companies are screwing artists, they are the ones stealing from artists, not the pirates”

          Record companies actually pay their artist. They also put money towards their music production fees, video production, advertising, distribution etc. Piracy doesn’t do any of this.

          How the hell were you even able to rationalize that piracy isn’t stealing from and screwing the artists while the record companies are?

          Plus it’s the artist that choose to sign up with record companies and choose to renew their contracts. They aren’t forced to.

        • MadAsASnake

          @Tom

          No Tom – try and do it yourself professionally and they’ll use DMCA to kill it dishinestly. That is EXACTLY what happened to the Mega song.

    • Anonymous

      You’re wrong. The US courts ruled that Youtube was not violating any laws as long as they took down offending content upon request. Megaupload followed the same protocol. Megaupload has not violated any laws.

    • Arthurtwoshedsjackson

      “File-Sharing, such as giving my friend a CD I burned, is not file sharing in the same sense as Torrenting something which is also being torrented by 400 other people. Think about if they DID buy that CD. That’s $2,000 to the artist.”

      That argument suggests we’d all go out and buy it if we couldn’t download it – I hate to break it to you but ‘no’ – they (and me) wouldn’t go out and buy it – as you seem to be assuming.

      This is the dumbest argument ever devised… And saying ‘think about if they did…’ holds no water – how about ‘think about if they didn’t’ ?

      You are assuming everyone is a thief – Let’s put this another way – I KNOW and everyone with half a braincell KNOWS that if I don’t buy my favorite artists latest album then I’m not helping him/her (or encouraging him/her) to produce another one so. guess what?! – I go out (well, purchase online…) his/her latest album to support them.

      I download a lot of crap on the internet – but if I actually really like something, and I can afford it, I buy it. End of story.

      This is called ‘common sense’ .

      For the RIAA it’s called free advertising.

      • MadAsASnake

        Of course the 400 is counted as 160000 as they try to hold you accountable for everyone that connected to you and don’t work out the true quantum. This is where the telephone numbers quoted as “losses” come from.

      • Noah C.

        Let me put it this way:

        Giving Girlfriend Burnt CD = Sharing.
        Torrenting = Mass Distribution of Un-Authorized Copy.

        That’s the difference. There IS a difference.

        I’m not saying I disagree all the things on this site. I’m simply fed up with seeing extremists that are mainly greedy, excuse making bastards who want to twist the law on to their side and get away with mass infringement and make it sound like it’s moral.

        Frankly, I believe file-sharing on the massive scale is wrong. I think you’ll be hard pressed to find an artist that would sue over 1 CD burned for his girlfriend, but imagine if you printed a book, was going to sell it on the street, and the stall next to you somehow magically printed the same book, written by you, without your permission, right next to your stall.

        That’s the situation. While I disagree with the methods that the RIAA uses to prosecute file-sharers, and most of their practices regarding the treatment towards the artist, the have the law on their side, and that’s the point. Regardless if you have morality on your side, the law is not moral.

        Personally, I’ve downloaded a lot of things in the past. I’ve stopped, mainly because I have Spotify and I feel bad when I download things, because I usually discover I would’ve paid for it, but I already have it, so I don’t need to. That’s the kind of issues I come up with.

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  • stopping by

    Mr. Dotcom’s arrest is the best thing that has happened to musicians since the invention of the electric guitar.

    • http://profiles.google.com/orfetheo Orfeas Theofanis

      Oh really? Now tell me this, is youtube bad for musicians too? Because we listen and download free music from it?
      Or is it good because it generates a lot of advertisement (both for good and bad musicians) for free?

      • Anyone

        it’s exactly the same

        • stopping by

          MegaUpload was a parasite..

          YouTube is a gift to us all.

          See the difference?

        • Anyone

          there is no difference
          both get rich off of user submissions

          youtube censors much more than it is required by law, that makes it worse (and of course “better” in the eyes of the MAFIAA, still hasn’t stopped them from sueing)

      • stopping by

        YouTube today is simply the coolest thing that has happened to musicians and music lovers since the invention of the synthesizer. :)

        People have fun uploading vids, fans get music and vids for free, and musicians are payed — no matter if the material is uploaded legally or otherwise.

        What’s not to love?

        • Anonymous

          And if you were a content producer you would have known that Mega would pay out if you hosted on their service. There isn’t a difference between Youtube and Mega. What’s not to love?

    • Stellablu777

      “MegaUpload was a parasite..

      YouTube is a gift to us all.

      See the difference?”

      oops. for a moment i thought you were being sarcastic. But wait – I bet you are! cause what’s defined “parasite” and “gift to us all” in these cases is entirely in the eyes of the beholder…

      • stopping by

        Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder — parasites not so much.

        “par-a-site:
        [...] a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return”
        source:
        http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parasite

        YouTube:
        Provides free music and video for you and me — while they return most of the ad-generated revenues to the right holders.

        See the difference now?

        • Stellablu777

          sorry, you still don’t get it. YouTube does that now, but after having won a court case against Viacom that was based on exactly the same accusations against MU. The difference between the two business models is marginal. And the right holders are not the artists, I hope you are aware of that too…

        • Stellablu777

          Oh and I should say “returns most of the ad-generated revenue” is a tad exaggerated…otherwise youtube would not be a viable business model at all. Agreed that participation of the content industry in profits generated from streaming could be a way forward, but we are not at that level of debate. In fact, in 2010 MU tried to suggest something like that, but there was no interest from the industry…

        • Anyone

          Megaupload also tried to return its revenue with the affiliate program.
          it was abused by some users and the MAFIAA blames MU for that.

        • stopping by

          Stellablu777,

          YouTube haven’t won anything, the game’s still on…

          But the difference between YouTube and MegaUpload was indeed marginal until recently.

          Contrary to Google’s claims, they repeatedly ignored DMCA takedowns prior to Viacom. Which is why I said: ‘YouTube *today*…’

          However, YouTube did go legit because of Viacom.

          And that, my friend, makes all the difference in the world.

          But who knows, perhaps Mr. Dotcom is going the same way when he gets out in a few years.

          Otherwise, he’s going the way of the dodo and the pirates.

        • Stellablu777

          youtube won against viacom in 2010…not sure why you say the case is still on? anyway, MU was on the way to going legit too…with that famous megabox 90% to the artist business model, which would have benefitted smaller artists in particular cause MU was big enough and well known enough to be a viable distribition alternative. Something similar was in the works for video, though not sure how that would have worked. They didn’t get sued becuase of that, but just like youtube they were wanting to go legit..

          Anyway, given that so much of the indictment hinges on the fact that MU was a criminal business model *from the start*, while the likes of youtube aren’t, the fact that there was until very recently only a marginal difference at best matters.

        • stopping by

          Stellablu777,
          Re Viacom vs. YouTube: The appeal started October last year.

          Like I said, the game’s still on.

          Maybe you’re right that MegaUpload ‘wanted’ to go legit — many criminals do.

          Unfortunately, they failed miserably.

        • Anonymous

          Hypocrite much?

          hyp·o·crite
          ? ?[hip-uh-krit]
          noun
          1.
          a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
          2.
          a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

          Did Megaupload not provide anything useful to anyone involved? The millions upon millions of users would tend to disagree with your one opinion. Megaupload gave back exactly what it’s users wanted. Not a parasite, but a service provider on a grand scale!

        • stopping by

          OccamsKatana,
          It’s not surprising that criminal organizations are popular among criminal individuals, is it…

        • Stellablu777

          still the same point – so youtube wasn’t legit, but went legit (forced by the lawsuit) and is now a gift to us all. MU wanted to go legit, but was closed down before it could do it – so they are criminals? Just saying…

        • Anonymous

          OccamsKatana,
          It’s not surprising that criminal organizations are popular among criminal individuals, is it…

          OBVIOUSLY. That’s what makes them criminal.

          Megaupload hasn’t been proven to be criminal. Show me the results of the court verdict if you disagree. Otherwise, innocent until proven guilty. Best you don’t get called for jury duty. Open-minded, you’re not.

        • stopping by

          Stellablu777,
          I’ll be the first to congratulate Mr. Dotcom if he decides to create something useful some day. There’s no doubt he has the skills. So why not…

          I also don’t believe in revenge and have no need to see him behind bars.

          That doesn’t change the fact that MegaUpload’s mega fall is the best news to artists in a loooong time.

        • stopping by

          OccamsKatana,
          I know for a fact that MegaUpload didn’t respect DMCA takedowns.

        • MadAsASnake

          @stopping by

          do share, if you want us to take you seriously. MPAA etc certainly don’t respect DMCA and they wrote this nasty law

        • stopping by

          MadAsASnake,
          MegaUpload did indeed remove the links mentioned in a substantial amount of complaints — but they didn’t remove the actual files.

          And that’s criminal.

          However, there’s no doubt Mr. Dotcom will try to defend himself with storage issues. That’s probably the light he sees at the end of the tunnel.

          And yes, there’s a chance that his lawyers will be able to convince the jury. Like you or somebody said, he isn’t convicted yet.

          But MegaUpload as we know it is history.

          Should it ever return, it’ll be as legit as YouTube. Which would be great.

        • stopping by

          MadAsASnake,
          MegaUpload did indeed remove the links mentioned in a substantial amount of complaints — but they didn’t remove the actual files.

          And that’s criminal.

          However, there’s no doubt Mr. Dotcom will try to defend himself with storage issues. That’s probably the light he sees at the end of the tunnel.

          And yes, there’s a chance that his lawyers will be able to convince the jury. Like you or somebody said, he isn’t convicted yet.

          But MegaUpload as we know it is history.

          Should it ever return, it’ll be as legit as YouTube. Which would be great.

      • MadAsASnake

        @stopping by

        They are required to block access to it for Safe Harbour (or remove it).

        They don’t have to remove the file if there are other legitimate links. If there are no links left, I’d be surprised if they remove it (but hey, no links = no access = safe harbour) If their system can identify multiple copies of the same file it saves server space (sometimes a lot) and is a good technical solution.

        BTW – whether a file is infringing depends on factors that a cyberlocker cannot know (private use, local laws and so on) – the file is not infringing – it’s the use that may infringe.

        Your argument shows ignorance of the tech and the nature of infringement

        • stopping by

          MadAsASnake,

          Bottom line: Artist X, who’s a hard working, ordinary guy just like you with wife and kids — as opposed to the popular NaziLabel/BigContent/BigGov fantasies — filed legitimate takedowns 24/7 while criminals kept stealing his work. Cause it was never removed.

          That’s history now.

          Yes, the arrest of Mr. Dotcom was the greatest news to music world in a long time, but you won’t find many artists who care whether he goes to jail or not.

          The fall of MegaUpload is not about him. It’s a turning point; a symbol that marks the end of the Pirate Decade and the rise of new possibilities, not only for artists, musicians, writers all over the world, but for everybody who’s going to make a living from Intellectual Property in the near future.

          And that, I’m sure, is going to include a lot of you guys.

        • MadAsASnake

          @ stopping by

          Yes I think it’s a turning point – but in a different way. Taking out one businessman on a civil charge with 70 armed anti-terrorist police is not a poster child for effective or proportionate law enforcement. I can tell you the content industries rob far more from the artists than any “pirate” ever did. Copyright / IP law is completely broken at the moment – over-enforcement and broad criminalistaion is not thhe answer.

    • Anonymous

      OccamsKatana,
      I know for a fact that MegaUpload didn’t respect DMCA takedowns.

      PLEASE, Do provide facts. All else is bullshit.

      Troll much?

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  • Anonymous

    unless a service is run by or endorsed by the entertainment industries, at a price, that service is deemed illegal by them and must be stopped at all costs. as for the part about the US government, i believe that to be completely true. just look at the efforts that are being made around the World to try to protect the US entertainment industries. if any other country had gone to such lengths, they would have been slapped down, particularly by the US. i cannot for the life of me understand why just about every other country is going along with this crap. is everywhere else really so scared of the US that they wont even defend their own citizens? if so, it really is a very sorry state of affairs!

  • Anonymous

    unless a service is run by or endorsed by the entertainment industries, at a price, that service is deemed illegal by them and must be stopped at all costs. as for the part about the US government, i believe that to be completely true. just look at the efforts that are being made around the World to try to protect the US entertainment industries. if any other country had gone to such lengths, they would have been slapped down, particularly by the US. i cannot for the life of me understand why just about every other country is going along with this crap. is everywhere else really so scared of the US that they wont even defend their own citizens? if so, it really is a very sorry state of affairs!

  • Gdgdfgdf

    only solution make cost affordable by common man

  • Meatn24

    It is easier than ever to start your own tv show and profit from it, there are going to be plenty of new channels and people to influence change, I’m just shocked there hasn’t been anyone yet. Maybe because no one knows what to make of it yet.. Google can easily be taken out of the equation if people stop thinking there is no work, where there is the internet empire to conquer..

    • Goosmoo

      Yep, I’m finding that there are better alternatives than google out there. I use fastmail for my main email and duckduckgo for my internet searches. The only time I use google or gmail any more is to check old email accounts and for work. Once you get out of the google stronghold and realize there are alternatives, it’s refreshing.

      I do still use youtube as I can find documentaries and movies there, and they allow me to search their copyright-infringing content within their own site. lolol

    • Anyone

      thatguywiththeglasses.com is a good example of a “tv channel” that is not a tv channel ;)

      i’m sure there are more, that is just one that i know and love

  • Oscaroreilly

    Outdated business model?

    What?

    One that pays artists and sound engineers, invests in new talent, pays for studio time, artwork and all other peripherals that og to make a sound or video performance? Yep really outdated that!

    I am still astounded by a group of people who refuse to bow down to “The Man” yet fully support “The Man” at the same time.

    Kim Dotcom is “The Man” people whether you like it or not. He is no better than the record and movie company executives you vilify except he doesn’t believe in rewarding artists for their talent.

    Stop bleating on about freedom of speech and business models and admit that you all just want something for nothing and Dotcom and his contemporaries just want to make a dishonest buck whilst exploiting artistic talent. I’d have a bit more respect for you if you did that.

    • Stellablu777

      I think the “outdated business model” referred to the disribution, not the making of content. It’s an old debate, but boils down to two things

      - the genie is out of the bottle; people want content now, not in 6 months, or never because hte copyright holder does not want to release content becuase it#s not profitable enough, but does not want to give away the copyright either (the case with many old TV series and other fringe interests). Any amount of criminal prosecution will not put the genie back into the bottle – the only way this would happen is by fundamentally altering the structure of the internet – “censoring”, which is what people are protesting about.

      - the content industry could make a lot more money adoping a business model similar to MU than they are currently making by artificially restricting access to content either through price (an ebook for the same price as a real one? But you cannot give it away, lend it to anyone or sell it. really??) or through timing of release. So YES – it’s an outdated business model and they fail to understand economies of scale (or simply are afraid that they will lose their monopoly).

      • Oscaroreilly

        But in the same way as you accuse me of ignoring reasoned argument you have done the same yourself. Nobody wants to address the fact that the MU model was successful because artists and producers etc weren’t/aren’t rewarded for their work. If the content you offer is free then it is easy to devise a successful business model.

        Also, history is being rewritten here. Music file sharing started long before there were any digital services offered (whether overpriced or not) it didn’t start because of overpriced digital offerings.

        I think you are correct about the Genie being out of the bottle and I have no desire to disinvent the Internet. (although I do think some level of control and censorship is inevitable and we are naive to think it won’t happen/isn’t happening) I am just sick of thieves telling us that what they are doing is being done in the name of free speech whilst they tuck all the money into their bank accounts. The kids are being fooled by the Dotcoms, Neijs and Sundes of this world. They are not Robin Hoods, they are 100% Sherrifs of Nottingham

        • Stellablu777

          music *file*sharing started with the internet, and yes it started because of overpriced offerings – or, more commonly becuase things are not even available. THis is why it reached its current numbers, and this is why the genie is out of the bottle – people don’t want to pay the same amount of money for data that they want for physical products (and the law agrees that *copyright* is not the same as pysical possession, which is why copyright infringement is not theft – I’m making a simple statement of fact here). However, if the genie is out of the bottle, as you yourself acknolwedge, and if successful business models are out there which *could* reward artists (i.e. a megaupload model that gives a share to the artist), then the current criminalisation of a large part of the internet-using public, and the excessive use of the law to destroy a company which was *marginally* different from youtube is problematic. And the current business model of the content industry is and remains outdated hurting artists (who typically get below 10% of proceeds if everything is taken into account). Hope you understand my point now. It seems you are someone who would advocate *censoring* the internet to prevent piracy (to use the same kind of emotive language you are using when you talk of theft). I woudn’t – I find that much, much more problematic than any loss of earning through coypright infringement. Partly because the question of loss of earnings through copyright infringement is an open one – there are all those studies who claim that poeple who download a lot also spend a lot on legal content. certainly the each download=loss of sale argumetn is bs..

        • Lordoftorture

          Most torrent sites dont make money. Emule and other filesharing software are not commercial in any way.
          Nobody is saying infringing=freedom of speech, but you have no way of stopping infringement if you respect people privacy and right to read and write. Internet is literacy.

        • Anonymous

          The law that applies to such services is DMCA with its “you ask and we remove it format”. As long as an Internet business follows that law, as MU seems to have done, then you can whine, moan and name call all you want when that being the law of the land makes you wrong,

          Why is the law wrote this way? That would be because copyright enforcement always needs to be balanced against public and business rights. Privacy, anonymity, free trade and business growth.

          We all love YouTube right? Well had SOPA became law a decade ago then YouTube would never have become what it is today when it would have been sued and taken offline very quickly. So why try to kill the next Internet sensation?

          Let me make things very clear. The Commerce of the Internet VASTLY outranks that of the entertainment industry. As the Internet now matures Internet Commerce is set to DOUBLE during the next 8 years in an industry that will bring the most jobs to the economy and be worth trillions.

          Do you really think it is a good idea to fuck over that emerging economy not in the name of artists but in the of the Copyright Cartels? Is it even a good idea for the United States to wipe billions off their economy through scaring legitimate trade overseas? Listen to the market at what your oppressive laws and enforcement has already done when many now say “don’t use US hosting and domains”

          Then here you are imaging a future of increased censorship. I am sorry to tell you this but far too many people are well aware of what is exactly going on here and we can and have rose up in the millions to stop you. We love our Internet and we will not allow undue censorship, filtering and old market land-grabs.

          If you want to do real change then give the public what they do want such as with services like iTunes, Spotify and NetFlix. Public demand for entertainment, go meet it and go profit.

          All I can say is don’t be afraid of the changes happening when we are only breaking up old monopolies and bringing free and fair trade to the market that will result in artists being paid a larger cut. We all love media and do welcome good creation being rewarded.

    • MadAsASnake

      Watch what you accuse people of… I don’t want everything for free but I don’t want to be surveilled by extortionists or have the internet vandalised by SOPA / PIPA / DMCA either. Copyright Infringement is a Matter of FACT. You can’t stop it. It does not give them the right to trample the rights of others.

    • Guest

      if u live in street u know the meaning of 1 cup of tea .
      if that cup of tea is to high in cost so not affordable by a common man
      so u have nothing
      is not this is not discrimination
      when they could earn profit by selling it to a low cost
      now someone has made already few cup of tea
      should i not drink it
      i respect each an every individual on the earth but then
      why should i

    • Anonymous

      Invests in new talent you say….
      I’ll just leave this here…
      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120228/17592017904/if-major-labels-are-all-about-helping-artists-why-do-we-keep-seeing-artists-calling-out-their-labels-screwing-them.shtml

      And all of those people are paid from what the talent earns, before the talent gets a cut. It’s for the artists… that we are bleeding dry.

    • Tom

      “Outdated business model”

      It’s the new meme, man! All the cool kids are saying it!

      • MadAsASnake

        Outdated. If they compete against the Internet instead of working with it they will die. If the only way they can maintain it is to buy corrupt and oppressive laws that criminalise significant parts of society then they must die.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mohd-Zaki/100003585426868 Mohd Zaki

          I totally agree with you .Old people who controls those corps just hates the internet because they can’t control it .Instead of trying to accept the change ,they spend a lot of resources fighting the internet without any concerns about people’s rights and freedom .

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

        Except it’s not a new meme at all, of course; the mantra has been on everyone’s lips for at least a decade, and it always either takes that exact form, or variations of “industry unwillingness to simply adapt to the changing marketplace”.

        What does seem to be a relatively recent fad, however, is focusing on this one particular explanation for piracy: different release dates for different regions—i.e., the fact that some people pirate (movies, mainly) because they don’t want to wait for a licensed release in their area.

        There’s really no debate about that being one of many reasons some people pirate, but based on the way he’s quoted in this article, it seems Kim Dotcom is dubiously implying that piracy wouldn’t be an issue if this one issue were addressed. Maybe he was referring to the industry’s failures in general, though? In any case, I feel he’d be better served by focusing more on the insightful, perhaps prescient point of view that unlicensed copying and distribution would be reduced to a “non-issue” if the industry were to offer what the unlicensed segment of the market and the grey-area middlemen like Dotcom are mostly providing already: content in a way that satisfies nearly all consumers in terms of availability, affordability, format, convenience, and anonymity/privacy. But the industry wouldn’t even have to do that much; with a stroke of a pen, they could all but eliminate piracy by simply granting the public a broad license to copy and share their content noncommercially. Monetizing that would require some creative thinking, though, something they’re not very good at.

    • please..

      Just so you know Oscar, “The Man” is usually used in refence to people above you… people in charge, like your boss at work, or the government in this case.

      You rebel against “The Man” because you are fed up of what they are doing without consideration for what you want, even when thats what they are supposed to be doing.

      The “The Man” in this context is the government, in case you were wondering, not KDC.

      Maybe you should learn a bit more before making such silly statements or blessing us with your uninformed opinions.

      • Oscaroreilly

        Thanks for your extremely informed opinion about what “The Man” means. It was quicker than typing Record Company Executives is all. It was an illustration that your old mate “KDC” (Obviously a term of endearment) is no better that the very people demonised by the piracy sympathisers. Next time I’ll run my (obviously uninformed because they don’t correspond with your point of view) posts past you in case I haven’t got all the popular culture sayings correct.

        Thanks again.

        • PelouzeTF

          Did you really expect the people here to understand your point ?

    • Guest

      I am a long time lurker on these forums, and the fact that I work for a company closely associated with these forms of issues makes my point of view slightly skewed, but none the less here it is:

      I have been in this business for some time now, and when I say business I mean digital rights management and copyright protection. I know many of the people who stand up for harsher legislation towards file sharing, and those that view it as nothing more than free marketing. There is an expression, “There is no such thing as bad publicity,” which rings true here more than ever. Are the charges against MegaUpload trumped? Of course. Will there be a trial? Probably. Will he win? Portions of the charges will inevitably be dropped, yes. The issue here really isn’t based around copyright law, as some of you have pointed out; the entertainment industry still uses an outdated business model.

      Before someone jumps on my use of ‘outdated business model,’ please note I am not saying the current method of distribution does not work; I am simply stating that in a world where global connectivity reigns supreme, there are numerous countries who cannot access content without resorting to alternative methods. Many readers forget that even sites like YouTube or Hulu are not readily available in emerging markets. Should these consumers resort to piracy? Of course not. Is it legally justifiable to steal a Mars Bar when visiting Canada because your local grocery store in Venezuela does not carry said product? Naturally the answer is (morally and legally) no.

      Unfortunately for the founder of MegaUpload, he decided to flout a grey area in global legislation by poking the golden dragon known as Hollywood with his MegaUpload Song. Even though it was completely within his rights to do so, it was in poor taste from a rational standpoint. Just because something is technically legal does not mean you can withstand the weight of an industry who wants you shut down. Take The Pirate Bay as a prime example of this.

      Never forget that it is the power of the masses that changes laws; SOPA was on the books for quite some time before anyone outside of perhaps Reddit began to actively protest. Laws need to be adjusted for the sake of an ever-changing media landscape. There was a time where oral sex was punishable by death in certain U.S. states; I doubt anyone would disagree some laws are archaic.

      • MadAsASnake

        SOPA was done mostly behind closed doors and back doors. As was ACTA. Push this garbage through WIPO you’ll see it burn and die…

        Yeah – mega is in a grey area … but Dodd threatening bought poiticians in public? now thats black – now I noticed that Dodd hasn’t been arrested…

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Actually, Megaupload is NOT a grey area. They did everything they were required to ala DMCA, so it’s time to stop saying they are ‘grey area’.

          They are almost lily white.

        • MadAsASnake

          @KC – I think it pretty clear that Mega more than complied with DMCA – yeah – “White”. It’s an industry that attracts infringement – “Grey”. Is an area being grey reason not to do business there – not at all.

      • Lauriel

        Quote: “Just because something is technically legal does not mean you can withstand the weight of an industry who wants you shut down.”

        Are you seriously suggesting that he deserved to have his business shut down, his assets seized, his home raided, lose his liberty, and be facing charges of money laundering, amongst others, simply because he dared to challenge a dominant business? SERIOUSLY? And you see absolutely nothing wrong with this?

        You are stating outright that international governments should serve the corporate interests of one industry, over civilian civil rights, because “ven though it was completely within his rights to do so, it was in poor taste” to challenge an established business in a free market?

        Do you have any understanding AT ALL of why most people outside of your industry react with contempt and anger at your “rational standpoint”?

  • Crappypants

    Boom babba, BOOM!

  • Fanny-batter

    fuck the USA and fuck overpriced films, music and porn.

    Long live the pirates. LOL

    You’re a cunt and you know it. LOL !!!!!!!!!!

    • Oscaroreilly

      Well thought out argument. Pretty much proves my point really.

      • Stellablu777

        selective commenting, my dear – still makes you a troll. there are enough reasoned arguments here, but you choose not to engage with them.

        • Oscaroreilly

          The trouble is stellablu777, well reasoned arguments which start with the premise “I’m not happy with the way things are so I’ll steal” can never really be well reasoned. Especially when they are made on a site which clearly supports and promotes “all things pirate” and reports in an extremely biased fashion. I am genuinely interested in the arguments but, as I said, they are mostly made by people who don’t want to pay for stuff and disguise that as being some sort of Freedom Fighter.

        • Stellablu777

          you haven’t replied to any of the substantive arguments that are provided by me or other people below. As I say in a comment below, i’m not interested in the rights or wrongs of copyright. Personally, I have never downloaded a single movie or song from MU or anywhere else – may sound incredible, but its true. I am however interested in the politics of the internet, and US use and abuse of legal prcedure, i.e. how something that has always been a civil matter suddenly gets criminalized. Hence, if you are genuinely interested in the arguments, engage with them! I haven’t seen you doing this.

      • MAFIAA_Representative_GTFO

        Lol just stfu you MAFIAA troll..

    • Anonymous

      Hey, lots of us in the USA support pirates and hate overpriced films!

  • TelezarZ

    I hope he will win. But i guess US will destroy the evidences…
    Remember, they have the Megaupload’servers in their possession.

    • Anyone

      no, the servers still belong to the hosting company
      they just withhold payment for them, so they might be forced to delete the data to make room for paying customers.

      • Anonymous

        Yes but it seems some agreement has now been reached so that this data will be protected.

  • Lordoftorture

    Sooner or later they are going to learn – you cannot charge for single copy on the internet.
    Make a monthly subscription and give access to everything. You dont even have to invest in infrastructure or staff. Look what the Pirate bay did with 3 guys (only one fluent with programing) and inexpensive PC hardware.
    I have no problem paying 10, 20, or even 30$ per month for my favourite torrent tacker as long as I know it is going to the artists and creators of music and movies and I am not breaking the law. How hard is it really??

  • Hater

    US Govt be hating

    • Desu75

      Is that a same sex couple? BAN BAN BAN~!

  • guestman234444

    I think it’s time to boycott hollywood dont buy any of their movies or listen to anymore of their stupid music.

    Support indy films and folk artists fuck this corporate controlled entertainment monopoly.

    • Anonymous

      Yes the BLACK MARCH boycott starts today.

      • Guest

        Haha, I already failed that one. Maybe next year… Or probably not, if I am honest with myself.

        • Anonymous

          I believe the point is to do as best as you can. A late start or unavoidable exception is better than nothing,

          All it takes to complete BLACK MARCH is to avoid using the services of the SOPA supporters listed here for 31 days…
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_with_official_stances_on_the_Stop_Online_Piracy_Act

          As to alternatives then watch free lawful indie movies here… http://www.indiemoviesonline.com

          Or free lawful indie music…
          http://www.jamendo.com/en/
          http://www.freeindie.com/

          Also check out… http://www.kickstarter.com

          Lists of other indie media sources welcome.

        • Guest

          Yeah… Still not gonna happen. I really don’t care about music or movies, I like games, and the simple reality is that indie games can’t do as much as mainstream games. They make great platformers and uniques, good adventure games and 2-D sides rollers. Beyond that, they are very limited.

          If I did like movies or music more, I could see myself being part of black march. Indie music is functionally undistinguishable from studio music (I mean that the lack of money does not hurt the song creation), and movies can explore any topic short of high octane special-effects action (not the biggest loss). For games, if I want a good shooter, rts, rpg, etc… Then I need a bigger game.

          I mean, have you ever tried an indie rts? Apox and Oil Rush taught me my lesson there.

          To put it simply, I go for quality, and while indies are getting more of that quality, games like Mass Effect 3 are simply better. It’s not like movies or music where Hollywood or label stamp matters little; the big players are actually good in this industry.

          Also, I get games through Steam, and I am pretty sure valve does not count as indie. Not a big point, but I’ve heard people bitching about that before, so just throwing that out there.

          So… Yeah. ME3 is out on tuesday and it will be mine, Black March or not. Hope the movie and music people resonate with your message more. Good luck.

    • PelouzeTF

      By that, do you mean you will delete everything from your hard-drive that was created by a company you deem as “hollywood”. And delete (if any) anything that you might currently be sharing.

      And that you’ll be supporting indy films and folk artists by purchasing their content.

      Or does it mean nothing at all and you’ll just keep downloading what you like and maybe buy 1 dvd a year ?

      • Guest

        What the fuck is wrong with you, Pelouze? While you’re here gloating about Kim Dotcom countless pirates are not being brought to justice by Andrew Crossley. Where’s your concern?

        • PelouzeTF

          My concern is not with Andrew Crossley or parasites that run cyberlockers but squarely with those that create original content.

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    It’s all cause money. Most of ppl don’t know, but Mega was planning to launch few new services (MegaBox for example) which with it’s attractive terms to users/clients would have hard impact on those monopolistic shit like labels company and such, if not even drive them out of business

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  • Zax

    Doesn’t he mean the banking system?

  • Anonymous

    You have to admit, the guy makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
    Went-Anon.tk

    • Guest

      SPAM

  • Mwhahaha

    Why is everyone sticking up for a guy who doesn’t even give any money to the artists behind the content he was making money from? He’s no robin hood guys. He knowingly and purposefully made money off sharing things for profit.
    Yes the system is broken, but he didn’t have the answer to its problems, he’s a fat chancer.

    This is theft, not sharing.

    • Anyone

      the affiliate program was designed to give something back, ideally you’d upload your content and if it was popular you get paid.
      of course it was abused by some users, but that doesn’t make it a bad system.

      also, he didn’t rip anyone off, MU was the best cyberlocker you could use for free, good speed, short wait time, I never saw the need for a premium account.
      other services tried much harder to “convince” you to buy a premium account.

      he provided a service people wanted and because of that he made money.
      capitalism at its finest.

      if anything MU proves that people are willing to pay for content if the service was good enough, it proves just once again that piracy is a service issue, provide a good enough service for your content and people will pay. sue old ladies and you get boycotted.

      • Really

        72 minute limit for free users on MegaVideo when movies are slightly more then that…doesn’t ring a piracy concern? Link checkers to see if your content has been removed? Paying $30 for every 1,000 downloads of content 1GB or higher? Who shares 1GB files to thousands of people? Seriously? You people are ignorant.

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  • RIAAtarded

    Of course they are protecting the only thing they make anymore. No one buys the cars so the only other things left they make is entertainment content and war.

    • Fantastic

      Yep I remember some no account legislator making the argument a couple years back that the US could support itself on Intellectual Property and Support Services. Support Services are now all outsourced so they have only one thing left that gave them any sort of leverage on the global market. MAFIAA has hated innovation from the start (they wanted to kill the VCR and the Tape Recorder in their infancy) and they dismissed the internet as some sort of plaything and didn’t care to adapt. Now everything has changed and they are screwed and they are lashing out in an attempt to keep things the way they were. They are going to lose history proves that. Only question is will they fade away or go out in a panicked mess of fire and incompetence.From what I’ve seen my money is on the latter.

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  • http://twitter.com/rottedcockmeat rottedcockmeat

    these radical charges being placed on him are crazy enough, so the fact they’re trying to extradite him is……seriously…..wtf? just….gtfo.

  • Eve00

    I think our knowledge and availability to information vs. the availability of movies, films and television series is the reason for downloading and sharing. For exampel I live in a small town about 3500 peps and our availability of movies is what you can call thin. One cinema where they screen one, two times a week. That’s not that much tbh. And we the rental service on movies is just stupid. Why would I want to go and rent a movie at my local store for 7-8 bucks, roughly calculated to USD, when its like -32 Celsius outside in the winter, and thats the time I really want to watch since there nothing else to do. Or I can take my car and drive to the next city like 45 miles there to watch a way over priced movie. Car ride in gasoline 14 USD each way, so 28 USD + the movie for 19 USD, so a total of 47 bucks. That aint reasonable!
    Still I can access the knowledge of what’s hot and new, like on IMDB.com. Its just human nature to get it in the easiest and fastest way. Instant gradification!

    So it got nothing to do with megaupload or dotcom.. The truth is the guys in hollywood and there kind of marketing is just to old and to slow for todays people. And they can’t control the situation so they are scared, which is human nature as well. They should stop being so damn stubborn and embrace that things do change…

  • Guest

    I find it to be a total miscarage of justice on a global scale. not only have they single handedly dismantled his company but they have taken away any financial and legal ability for a meaningful defense on his part. like the article says his lawyers are working pro-bono which means that he only has lawyers while the case is in their best interest. while his assets are seized he doesn’t have access to pay legal fees on the most basic of levels: filing costs. that comes out of his lawyers pocket if any. further investigation practices are limited while MU servers are in limbo. I can imagine a defense that would be politely eye opening with hash data. even similar files have dissimilar hashes, all it takes is a diffrent file name to change the hash size to break the system. its not a failure of technology its a principal application of it. just because the DMCA partners couldn’t find ALL the files dousen’t mean they weren’t removing them. I’ve came a crossed dead links all the time, even on ligitimate files.

    its an atrocity and a sad fact that he has already lost this battle. the legal system is biased and built on a system that favors the prosecution. while this case against him as the entity known as MegaUpload should be a civil matter it has been turned into a case against individuals under the guise of conspiracy. sure they did some stuff that was illegal, even joked about it in casual conversation. that dousen’t merit the killing blow the combined judicial bodies took to remove MU from the global scene.

  • foff

    Many comments point to money as the reason. Dot Com has astutely pointed out that the claimed losses equal almost as much as the entire industry makes. If the claimed losses were true then with the shut down of many file hosters the industry ought to be making records profits. This is not happening and won’t happen ever. People who download for the most part are not prospective customers and have never been and will probably never be.

    When I was young I bought music on tapes then on CD’s but those purchases stop at a certain age when disposable income is used for other things. I will never buy another CD and will never buy a movie because I don’t believe in buying movies I never have, I don’t collect and I don’t run a theater.

    The reason for all the actions against internet sharing is not money. They use money as the excuse but the real reason is control. They hate the fact they have lost control of the distribution channel and the value of their old copyrights has plummeted. Old copyrights, older then 10 to 15 years with or without legal protection are now almost worthless. Anyone who has interest in older music or movies is no longer a customer. Even collections of CD’s, DVD’s or older media have little value are obsolete and are nothing more then museum pieces.

    So the internet has taken away distribution and diminished greatly the value of older copyrights. This is what they are fighting. A copyright collection of the beatles that Micheal Jackson paid 50 million for 20 years ago is probably worth 5 million today if that. Only a few collectors would ever buy anything released from that collection today and that is only one example. If fact a few years ago the collection was released on thumb drive and it was all over the net instantly. The Disney idea of keeping a movie in a vault and occasionally putting it back in the theaters no longer works. They hate the fact they can no longer control an artificial and perpetual monopoly. This is what they are fighting and not any real or imagined retail sales loss.

    • Not

      But it is all done for money, which is why they need control. Control is the means to getting there.

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  • ahahaha

    tahnk you kim.com you did it you won you greasy tub of shit!

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  • http://twitter.com/YoungbloodJoe Joe Youngblood

    I agree that it SHOULD be private, but YouTube is clearly proactively going through files and removing them with their audio scanning and matching technology, facebook is scanning your messages and even text messages and google scans your email for ads. I dont like those practices, but they happen.

    So far Kim as a strong case. The 2010 ruling in favor of YouTube should show that, also since MegaUpload is a corporation it should be treated the same way Google/YouTube were for that proceeding, where as the domains were left online and the company funds in tact.

  • http://profiles.google.com/morefunthanwork aikanae whatever

    I would like to see Dotcom get a fair trial because I think it could highlight a lot of the abuses by major corporations – including taking down Mega’s promo videos, anti-competitive practices, trumped up lost revenue and “money laundering”. The charges are a joke. However i’m not dumb enough to think Dotcom’s got a chance of a fair trial – anymore than that UK webmaster who just linked to sites (legal in UK) or that copyright abuses such as these will ever recieve balanced reporting in headlines.

    One thing sticks with me; Rapidshare was on the “rogue” list in 2010, but not in 2011. What changed? About $300k to a lobbying firm hired by Rapidshare. Dotcom paid for promo videos instead. That’s the price of a law now days.

    • Anonymous

      He paid 3M USD for the video…That could have made him lobby the crap out of his company and make it more legal than Google & Yahoo together.

  • Blubberbuzzel

    How should multiple stays in detox clinics be financed if we don’t buy movies? They are in need people!!!! They give us so much and are good examples for us all !

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  • Faster than Eddie

    Sure – and piracy will never be outdated thanks to some thin hardworking somalis and well fed shareholders like Fuckin Dotcom…

    To me filesharing is only about consumer resistance. Pirate Bay, Isohunt and other public trackers are what´s worth fighting for.

    Megaupload is a business model for profiteers on copyrighted content. A legit Megaupload….? Haha – who need it….yea – hypocrites with a weak moral concience. Seed you borgeouis filelocker pirates with pimped computers. Share god dammit…

    • le

      What’s wrong with your head?

      • Faster than Eddie

        Relax,

        Until someone breaks into your home and take your pimped computer you will keep wondering, LE Somebody.

  • SoilentGreen

    I frequently used Megaupload as a legal, free way for customers to transfer large files to me. It was fast, easy for my customers to use and understand. Taking down a service that has legitimate uses because some used it for piracy is ridiculous.

    Safe harbor should apply to MU just as it does for YouTube and other hosting sites.

    Kim, if you ever see this, thank you for doing the hard work that made my work a little easier. So long, and thanks for all the files.

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  • Max Renn

    He’s right about the service issue. Content, TV shows in particular (even cable shows), need to be made available around the world at the same time. A year or more delay (even six months) is just unacceptable in the modern age of instant information.

  • Anon

    At least he now admits he is a pirate. I agree with what he says though this monopolistic idea of copyright needs to be looked at to become fairer and more transparent. Copyrignt like patents are bad for the human races ability to progress, They hold us back to make a few people,wealthy who just go and die anyway then they want to keep copyright and hand it down and then they just go and die. People die we all will so copyright should die with a person. Even that is probably too long with humans set to do 100 years old now very often. A small window is all patents and copyright should have then public domain.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      He isn’t a pirate in the slightest. Some of the people who use his service are (not really, if you use critical thinking skills, which Anon’s don’t have).

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  • Neflyte49

    Hugo Chavez, wtf what happen here? Lord Chavez is an hero (well a future hero) and he only use twitter to defend latinoamerica from the Evil Empire that jail DotCom.

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  • Derp

    I’m 100% certain he doesn’t have a chance, and will probably do 10-15yrs in a US fed prison. Corporations run all our governments, if I were him I’d immediately disappear. Hopefully he kept some of his millions in untraceable bitcoins, LR, WMZ or a seychelles bank account.

    He has a point about their outdated model. They claim his site was doing 700million/year in advertising revenue no reason they can’t adapt.

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  • Anonymous

    if what Kim was doing was anywhere near as profitable as the entertainment industries keep trying to convince the world that it was, they would be doing it themselves. as they are not, you can bet your bottom dollar, the figures are nothing but out and out lies! there is no way in hell that they would turn down even the remotest chance of getting that sort of money!

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    incidentally, in 7 years of the company’s existence had never tried to
    sue Megaupload for copyright infringement.

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