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MPAA Anti-Piracy Lobbying Targets FBI, DOJ, ICE, DHS and Biden

According to a disclosure report, the MPAA spent $400,000 lobbying a wide range of US government departments in the first quarter of 2011 including the FBI, Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, ICE and the Vice President’s Office. Issues on the table include so-called “rogue sites” including RapidShare, streaming, graduated response (3 strikes) and domain seizures.

mpaaIn its quest to stamp out piracy, the MPAA continues to pump money into its lobbying activities in the hope of planting the seeds of legislative change.

While the debate over whether corporations should be allowed to lobby crime-fighting organizations such as the police and FBI will rage on, at least there is an enforced level of transparency which allows the public to see where lobbyists are spending their money.

The MPAA have just made their mandatory disclosure for the first quarter of 2011 and it makes interesting reading.

In total the member companies of the MPAA – Disney, Sony, Warner Bros., Paramount, 20th Century Fox and Universal – spent $400,000 in the first three months of the year lobbying influential government departments. These included the office of Vice-President Joe Biden, a valuable MPAA ally in 2010 with his mantra of “Piracy Is Theft, Clean and Simple.”

In the filing, which covers the period from January 1st to March 31st, several government departments are listed repeatedly including the U.S Senate, House of Representatives, Homeland Security, Dept. of Justice, FBI, ICE, U.S. Copyright Office and U.S. Trade Representative.

On the back of moves to turn the activity into a felony, it’s no surprise that streaming illegal content featured heavily in the MPAA’s 1st quarter lobbying. Considering the huge effort already underway with domain seizures, many of them streaming-related, Operation in Our Sites remained firmly on the agenda.

Also listed is the issue of “Pay processors role in IP enforcement”, a reference to the developing strategy of strangling the revenue to sites that the MPAA believe are generating income from infringement.

In November 2010, file-hosting service RapidShare was among the first Internet services to be labelled by both the MPAA and RIAA as a so-called “Rogue Site”, a move which forced the cyberlocker service to initiate lobbying of its own.

In 2011 it is evident that Hollywood is continuing to pressure on the Swiss-based company. RapidShare is mentioned several times in the MPAA disclosure report under several headings, not least ‘Rogue Site Legislation’ and ‘Law Enforcement/Crime and Criminal Justice’.

Interestingly, ‘Graduated Response’ is also listed as a lobbying subject, although the U.S. appeared to rule out so-called “3 strikes” regimes earlier this month in response to a United Nations report.

On the educational front, the MPAA is keen to drive home the anti-P2P message to the country’s schools and universities. Equally it is pushing for anti-camcording activities in the Asia-Pacific region plus awareness of counterfeit movie usage at US military bases, a subject we’ve touched on previously.

The MPAA also discussed the anti-piracy company MiMTiD. A DMCA-related controversy connected to that company was covered by TechDirt in February.

The $400,000 spent by the MPAA in the first 3 months of 2011 represents a $30,000 uplift on the same period last year and a $60,000 increase on its spend during the final quarter of 2010.

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  • politux

    I’m sure that $400,000 had absolutely nothing to do with ICE seizing domains and Biden spewing corporate propaganda. It’s just a coincidence!

    • I am a sausage not a hotdog

      In due time my friends all this lobbying and treasonous behind the scenes stuff they are doing will bite them in the ass.You can bet on that.Many people in the senate and congress are beginning to wake up.

      • Trespass

        Unfortunately, I see no evidence that anyone in government is waking up. The kool-aid just keeps flowing. Ethanol is a farce, electric car technology has been available since the ’70s, the list goes on and on… It all boils down to who has the money. The people have no say anymore because the people don’t have the money to effect change. Sad, but true.

        • I am a sausage not a hotdog

          Perhaps you haven’t joined demandprogress.org and perhaps you haven’t heard of Ron Wyden or Jeff Merkley ,Jim Demint ,Ron Paul ,Rand Paul ,congress women Cynthia McKinney ,congresswoman frederica wilson etc etc etc.I could make a list if i had to.See I’m one of those that speak to them.
          Writing to them fighting for the people to have rights on the Internet instead of thinking everyone in government is crooked and not taking action.Petitions work your voice can be heard.Eventually if you have faith and beliefs things happen.But if you procrastinate ,complain and do nothing about it ,nothing happens and all that you spend time typing in a forum or blog goes to waist.
          Anyone that is a member of demandprogress get updates through their email.Bless Ron wydens mother who just passed but the senator Jeff merkley who also is in Oregon is also looking to this situation.50,000 Demandprogress members have written to the government. So just rethink for a moment.
          The voice speaks louder than the wallet.Eventually all who do wrong will have “karma.”THAT INCLUDES MPAA/RIAA……

        • Trespass

          @ I am a sausage not a hotdog

          Yes I have joined demandprogress.org and i write the letters to senators, congressman, sign the petitions and all that. The replies I get are not that encouraging. I get double speak on how this issue is under scrutiny and after studying the situation a consensus can be reached… Another senator flat out said she supports the Protect IP and rights holders deserve…..blah, blah, blah.

          Public Relations and education need to be tweaked from the sharing perspective. The word “pirate” automatically gives a bad impression, and people will not listen after hearing that word. Politicians will be very careful not to support any situation that will cost jobs and lost sales. You and I know this isn’t true, but the majority of people believe the crap that the entertainment industry is dishing. People think I’m a hacker because I download and share media.

          The propaganda fed to the public by the entertainment industry needs to be quashed. How do we do that? Have our own PSA’s that say “Sharing is Caring”? That would take money. You are assuming there are a majority of people that share, when in fact most people have never heard of bit-torrent. Of course I am probably MUCH older than you.

          I think you are an idealist, nothing wrong with that, but unfortunately the mighty dollar is now what speaks the loudest.

          I wasn’t always this cynical…..

        • I am a sausage not a hotdog

          My friend if i am an idealist then i will create campaigns i will organize people and get people aswell as good government willing to listen educate the few that won’t.
          I never give up! Just like the industry would never give up.I will let stuff get thrown at me and pick it up and throw it back.You are right propaganda needs to be quashed.Let’s not forget.This is everyones world and in this world we have the power to speak out.
          We have communication.Don’t just think just in my state alone i have written to my senators and 25 members of congress i right everywhere.My point you either fight with an iron fist or you let all your freedoms run from you!!
          Giving up is never the answer giving in makes you stronger. As far as being called a hacker don’t let words hurt you.When the cia are the ones doing the hacking.All I’m saying is don’t give up your fight keep fighting.

        • PB

          Electric car technology hasn’t improved meaningfully since the 1910s.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Oh we wish. At least they have to make it available. We can spread the word ans show how those bastards are pushing to make laws against the ppl. And it’s great that TF mentioned the heads behind MPAA. When I read LulzSec manifesto these days they mention Sony with love. Sony is getting their share. Warner, Universal, Fox etc should be following and losing millions. And I won’t be one bit moved by their losses. Governments are working against ppl, ppl are telling them ‘fuck you’ and ‘rogue’ groups are popping up everywhere. Companies are being asses and doing what Sony and the likes do and ppl are slowly telling them ‘fuck you’.

      I’ve said before: dark times we are living. But damn interesting.

      • Razza

        Meh. Shit’s not that bad. Trust me, I’ve lived through some dark times. If filesharing is all we have to worry about, then we’ve got it pretty good.

        Corporations have always had their hands in government. That’s always been a reality, but with the new media, we have a way to combat them. The trend is moving towards freedom, not towards oppression.

        Remember one thing though; you may not like the corporations, but at some point, they have to answer to us. LulzsSec and Anonymous don’t ever have to. Don’t trust them any more than you trust the corporations. It takes practically nothing for a group without anyone to answer to too become corrupt. Don’t assume that they’ll be working for us for any length of time longer than what it takes them to get our bank account number.

        • Razza

          Correction; “If PROHIBITIONS on filesharing are all we have to worry about, then we’ve got it pretty good.”

    • HR

      Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden just working to support the best interests of his friends in the entertainment industry.

    • Danny

      BIDEN IS A BIG NOSED J3W Just jike all the MPAA members, warner,viacom,disney… all money sniffing j3ws….

  • KiRE

    I’ll keep downloading as I see fit, and if they come knocking on my door, they better bring alot of backup….

    • Gargamel

      Everyones a tough guy on the internet lol

      • hikaricore

        By “alot of backup” they mean external storage space because all that content won’t fit on some puny little drive. :p

        • Ugly American

          They just need a screenshot as “evidence.” ;-)

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          I’ll send them a screenshot of my….. Ahem. I bet they already get tons of those from their ‘fans’.

      • KiRE

        Not a matter of being a tough guy on the internet. I do not hide behind my keyboard. I will not bow down quietly to anyone, cops be damned. Come knock on my door, you’ll earn your paycheck. Says the Ruger SR556/6.8

        • Slasher McGurk

          Amateur! Guns are for show, knives for a pro.

        • Anonymous

          @ Slasher McGurk

          Hey calm down there Soap. (Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels reference, just in case you don’t get it.)

  • Trelew

    Simply put, our governments run to the beat of the corporate drum. Corporate lobbyist and CEOs can get behind closed government doors with east and influence (re:bribe) senior government bureaucrats (who don’t change on the whim of elections) and politicians to provide corporate-friendly legislation. They get away with it because governments operate under the cover of no transparency and no accountability for their actions in government. The provides for the conditions of a perfect storm of greed & corruption where corporate welfare is more important to governments that that of the people they are suppose to protect.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

    is lobbying even legal? I mean, all it is is bribes and corruption.. and bribes as far as I know are not legal…

    so hey, anyone lobbying are breaking the law, can we sue them for it? we might be damaged by their lobbying, and lobbying is bribery and bribery is illegal..

    • Trololol

      Lobbying is corruption made legal. “Clean and Simple” ^_^

      • Anonymous

        Corruption is a disease to a healthy society.

        You can ask how many did their anti-piracy action due to being right and how many did it for the lobbying funding.

        Yet another example of how copyright is a monopoly that abuses its position.

        • Ven

          To me, crooked politicians are a separate issue from lobbying. What I absolutely hate about lobbying is how all those zeroes will give your views and opinions more weight when it comes time to sift through the politician’s mail, even honest politicians.

          The system assumes that people will put their money where their mouth is, so those with money to spend have the ears of all parties, crooked or otherwise.

    • brudda

      Lobbying is freedom of speech in the USA. It’s one way you can express yourself. That’s why Rapidshare chose to start doing it last December. The rules of the game are clear, and I applaud Rapidshare for their choice of action. It will get more accomplished than a bunch of children in their mommy’s basement ranting and raving about civil liberties and corruption.

      • goobertastic

        just because ur bed is stationed some where between the sump pump and the laundry room, dont assume everyone here failed to launch when pushed from the nest

      • Momo

        Of course corporate lobbying is freedom of speech — corporations are people too, you know! And unlimited campaign contributions are not bribes (bribes and wrong and disgusting!), it’s just the corporations exercising their right to property by buying a few voices in congress. Do they not need to be represented? If you are opposed to lobbying then you are opposed to the fundamental rights of free speech and property. You should be ashamed of yourself!

        So please, friend, let us not confuse ourselves with negative words like “bribes” and “corruption”. Our kind politicians always have our interests at heart, and everything they do for the corporations they do for us.

        Can you imagine a world without the beauty of music, for example? A world where the arts have withered because the artists were neglected by the government? Can you imagine how terrible their lives would be if they couldn’t get paid for every copy of the art they made 50 years ago? Or worse still, if their children and grandchildren could not get paid for every copy made 50 years after their father’s death? Really, do you want to see those children suffer? You must be a terrible person if you do!

        Honestly, isn’t it simply unfair to let poor people have access to copies of books and culture they didn’t pay for? That’s against the very essence of capitalism and democracy! By handing out monopolies like copyright and allowing the seizure of rogue websites set up by thieves and terrorists, the government is only making sure the corporations can keep looking out for our artists, and all the other amazing people necessary for the creation of art, such as the record executives, the lawyers, the accountants and even the very protectors of free speech, the lobbyists.

        These are all valuable jobs that must be protected if we are to go forward. The internet makes up in excess of $1 trillion of the US GDP, so clearly the internet companies already get too much money — the creative industries also need to be supported, so our government needs to adapt its policies accordingly!

        The internet is killing music, so the internet needs to be regulated! Websites competing with the distribution rights of our benevolent corporations need to be destroyed! The filthy pirates must be punished because they are stealing the property of the artists!

        The politicians need to do what must be done to protect the American people from this horrifying affront on our cultural ecosystem. They need to ensure that talented artists such as Bob Marley, John Lennon, Elvis Presley and Justin Bieber will continue to make money from their hard work and will keep creating more works in the future under the protection of our charitable corporations.

        • Haxor

          and music existed far before copyright of the 1700′s ROFL and its strong arm religious dark ages mentality of the last 50 years.

          WE as a race are being held back by corporations whom fear equality for all.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

          best, sarcasm, ever.

        • unslaved

          Wow mommo, how sad. You sound like a greedy artists yourself.. whatever happened to natural music being created round a campfire and artists producing it to share the joy and passion they feel in themselves. These days its all about how much money can I make from this song and that is the sad thing. You are a complete fool if you think we would ever have a world without music. Im a pirate, I have no money, I devote my life to helping my disabled relation and helping the people around me I love and quite frankly i consider your ignorant comments about filthy pirates a disgrace to humanity as you are too worried about artists being able to fund extravagant millionaire lifestyles.. pathetic. Its greedy, money hungry people like you that that have landed society in the chaos that its in. Wars, famine, genocide, all products of the same greedy perspective you have displayed in this comment. And as for the lobbying comment, do you not think that the whole lobbying process contradicts the idea of democracy in which each individual should have equal say?

          Im just pleased to see that you are in the minority and at least the majority of visitors to this site dont have such a narrow minded, greedy and self centred perspective on reality as you do..

      • Ven

        The problem with financial lobbying is that it gives wide space for greed to play a part in legislation, and is a way for the companies with the most money to squash out any competitive issue they have.

        I would be willing to bet for instance that we will see the labels move against sites that allow bands to really establish themselves on the internet (Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Tunecore, etc.). Pirating labeled music means they still have you hooked; being a fan of true independent artists means you’ve moved on, and that will scare them far more.

    • Zzzzz

      If law enforcement wasn’t for sale they wouldn’t be spending so much money.

  • http://www.mafiaafire.com MAFIAAFire

    Ahhh, the time is coming close before we need to release something new to counter… ;)

    • Donotreply

      Can’t wait for the big reveal, I’m not a pirate but anything that keeps members of the MAFIAA up at night is more than welcome.

  • Anonymous

    tinyurl.com/2df4ccp

  • NeoToasty

    Lobbying just shouldn’t be legal. Anything like a corporation lobbying the fabric of authority to do it’s bidding just should be a simple shot to the foot. And 400k? Our government, vice president, and so on should see that as small change to them. Yet they still went with it simply because these corporations act like they’re the end all or be all of the world.

    That is what I call poor leadership, is when you give in to something so small. If the government, or anything it could have done, was to simply make these bastards pay by the millions or tax the hell out of the executives if the corps wanted them to do something.

    • brudda

      Talk about giving in! Why haven’t ALL the cyberlockers joined together to fight all this MAFIAA lobbying with lobbying of their own. Poor little Rapidshare is out there all alone using the necessary weapons to fight these greedy, corporate bastards. IMO, companies like Megaupload, Fileserve, etc only have themselves to blame because they aren’t screaming as loud as they can about the legal and necessary service they provide! Play the game – get the word out – start to change public opinion. Cyberlockers (except Rapidshare) are failing to do that!

      • Ven

        First off, those companies may do well but they can’t afford to throw millions of dollars down for their cause. They also lack a good underdog story of woe that (ironically) the labels spew about their starving artists.

        Lastly, I doubt people want to spend the money on a fight that is going nowhere at the moment. They will be happy to wait until laws are drafted to ban cyber-lockers (which will never happen) and then fight when they have no chance of ever making more money without change.

        • Haxor

          you mean like if the peole have 100 $ and have ot give it to the rich poor…er rich executives then they cant spend it in the destitute US economy to help job creation ….i see…shows bad leadership on the file locker side too.

  • townie2

    nothing in this article surprised me, money talks.

    • Anonymous

      The person with the most money gets to write the laws. End of story.

      • NeoToasty

        And gets into office to be elected. Nothing is sacred anymore or honorary.

  • Njh

    This is the declared ‘lobbying’. which in practice means wining and dining our elected representatives at expensive resorts and hotels, whilst saying ‘piracy is bad, we’d really like it if you made these laws’. what they don’t disclose is the bribes, favors and promises they throw at them too. When they are voted out / forced to leave in a scandal, there will doubtless be a lucrative ‘board of directors’ position at a MAFIAA member organization waiting.

    • gae

      As far as I am concerned, lobbying is just a nicer word for bribing.

  • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

    You silly sheeple, this is all about censorship for the world government.

    • Guest

      Yep, not all of us are blind.

      USA = police state

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    soon some wacko will rise up to take out the MAFIAA offices.
    The Mafiaa must be stopped.They are throwing millions at this government every year and that is the open money.Imagine how much they are paying off in bribes behind closed dooors.

  • Anonymous

    Where can I download this disclosure report? As usual, TF doesn’t link to the PDF.

    • Ven

      The Lobbying Disclosure section of the Office of the Clerk site:

      http://disclosures.house.gov/ld/pdfform.aspx?id=300372179

      Notice that while they were lobbying things like graduated response, Rapidshare, and rogue site legislation, they also were spending money for such things as:

      - The wording/layout of the FBI/ICE/DHS Anti-Piracy banner and seal.
      - On Location Production Economic Impact.
      - Visas for workers shooting pilots for television.

      Not all of it went to sticking it to piracy.

  • Tom

    Pro-piracy groups and organizations should also begin lobbying… they might beat MAFIAA et al. in their own dirty game

  • LyleD

    So.. 400k on lobbying.. What’s that? bribing the powers with wine, women and song? That’s actually pretty bloody cheep for the damage they’re doing to everyone’s freedom..

    I don’t believe that’s all it costs to buy these people in power.. What’s missing?

  • Sam

    Who cares? I will continue to download what I want. I am not scared of other humans giving me “rules” to follow, I follow my own moral code. As Rick Falkvinge said; it’s everyone duty to defy unjust laws.

    • Sam

      Just realized how arrogant that sounded, of course I follow laws, as long as they don’t conflict with my own moral reasoning.

    • Sam

      Just realized how arrogant that sounded, of course I follow laws, as long as they don’t conflict with my own moral reasoning.

      • Guest123

        Of course. Just so long as you acknowledge that you can justly be punished for breaking the law.

        • Anonymous

          Unlawful today is maybe lawful tomorrow.

          That should come when they realise that file-sharing causes no harm despite their lies to the opposite.

        • Guest123

          Ok, look. People do have a duty to defy unjust laws, but you’re using way too wide a definition of unjust. Unjust is supposed to means laws that are directly meant to harm innocent people. Laws like the Nuremberg laws or the Jim Crow laws that violate the basic and inalienable rights of human beings. You can argue that copyright is stupid and should be changed, but you don’t have any grounds to claim that it is so damaging that people must defy it.

          And yes, you can always defy the law if your moral compass tells you too, but you should be ready to accept the punishment. Society has a responsibility to uphold its laws, so if you really believe the laws are so unjust that you can’t morally obey them, then you should be ready to either become a martyr for your cause or a freedom fighter against the status quo. If the laws aren’t unjust enough to you to justify either of those actions, then either you don’t care enough, or the laws aren’t as unjust as you say they are.

          We don’t stop punishing people just because they claim a moral right to do something. Anyone can claim a moral right to do anything. Your claim is no different.

          And while filesharing in its current state may cause little harm, I remain completely unconvinced that a repeal of copyright would not do harm.

        • Guest123

          Also, if it is lawful tomorrow, then do it then. How about you campaign publicly for it to be lawful? That would be more productive than… whatever it is people do here.

        • Ven

          @Guest123

          I like what you said below Violated0′s post. While I don’t know how much damage piracy now causes compared to copyright abolishment later, I do like your inferred statement that sitting on your ass, pirating, and calling yourself a freedom fighter is inconsistent.

        • Guest123

          @ven

          That’s pretty much what I was trying to say summarized into one sentence. Thank you for for saying in 4 lines what took me a short rant.

          Lord, I have to stop being so wordy.

  • Trespass

    We (the United States) have the best laws money can buy. That is why democracy is an illusion in this country. Special interests and lobbyists run the government. Corporations run the country.

    The biggest scam right now is the ethanol in our gasoline. It has been proven that ethanol is bad for cars, breaks down parts, reduces gas mileage, drives up the cost of gasoline, and actually adds to the greenhouse gases, both from it’s expensive production, and it’s use in gasoline. Nevertheless, the law states it has to be in our gasoline. The power of lobbyists and special interests….

    • Haxor

      no its copyright….

      • Trespass

        Copyright is but one issue that is being focused. My point is that “we the people “, have very little control over what legislation is passed. It was not my intention to minimize the importance of the copyright issue.

        I have been active in writing senators through Demand Progress. One gave me a vague reply as to how his team is investigating this issue….. a bunch of doublespeak. One came right out and definitely stated her support for Protect IP and told me how she was going to vote. Sad thing is that the public has been fed so much propaganda about how jobs are lost and sales are plummeting. A lot of the general public believe it, blindly.

        • Ven

          To be fair, the high unemployment rate is the topic that will hang politicians (and probably decide the next U.S. President), so when someone comes along with statistics and says “X number of jobs are being killed by this or that” they are all ears.

        • Haxor

          you dleude yourself if 10 million people marched over to the white house and said copyright at 5 years and end the dmca what you think they gonna do roll out tanks …..ya right , go back to your appleware….drones…wait till end of the year when 40+ states just stop paying the employees whom will just leave and go tryand find a job elsewhere thus crippling the govt. THE end is coming and all the scams they did on you all is coming to an end.

  • dlj

    Both the RIAA and the MPAA are like a virus running in the system, you guys really need to fight the virus before the right to privacy and the right to share cease to exist. Although, to be honest, at this point I am not sure if there is a way to change anything. By the time enough number of people actually do something, like a boicot, they will just move their government to force people to pay them with some “Rewarding creativity” act that will be tax payer money going straight to them.

  • dlj

    Both the RIAA and the MPAA are like a virus running in the system, you guys really need to fight the virus before the right to privacy and the right to share cease to exist. Although, to be honest, at this point I am not sure if there is a way to change anything. By the time enough number of people actually do something, like a boicot, they will just move their government to force people to pay them with some “Rewarding creativity” act that will be tax payer money going straight to them.

  • Ou812

    I knew Biden was a bribe taking son of a bitch!

    • Gargamel

      What Politician isn’t.

  • Guest

    Unbelievable!

  • Predator

    We have to kill them all.

    • Anonymous

      Why haven’t they had the fortune of suing some vengeful psychopath yet?

      • Ven

        Because people who are vengefully psychopathic over fines from file-sharing don’t exist. Or, they are just vengefully psychopathic in general and are already on trial for shooting up a preschool or something.

  • Anonymous

    Lobbying is the most serious treat to our democracy. We have to dismiss all the branches of our government employees included who are totally corrupted by the corporations.

    Corporations have become parasites of the human society.

    Our ancestors did it in 1776 we have to do it again.

    The three of liberty need refreshing.

    • Guest

      Democracy? What is that?

    • Guest

      Democracy? What is that?

  • Anonymous

    Should be very interesting to see how that all turns out.

    http://www.web-privacy.no.tc

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  • Anonymous

    Now we know why ICE seizes domains in violation of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Bribes and corruption.

    Anyone not following these two documents is anti-American and harms principals of the fabric of the United States.

    Then there is Joe Biden. Has a meeting with the MPAA, leaves a lot richer, then launches attacks on infringement and file-sharing.

    US Vice President owned by the MPAA. Then we wonder why the US corrupts the laws in other countries.rruption.

    Anyone not following these two documents is anti-American and harms principals of the fabric of the United States.

    Then there is Joe Biden. Has a meeting with the MPAA, leaves a lot richer, then launches attacks on infringement and file-sharing.

    US Vice President owned by the MPAA. Then we wonder why the US corrupts the laws in other countries.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      So what is the problem here?

      Piracy or lobbying dollars?

      • Anonymous

        It may read clear now that I have edited out the double post. I hate it when it does that with post your message fine and half of it gets repeated. I cant fix it while using my phone and it can take hours to return to my laptop.

        The problem is that the MPAA don’t just want laws changed to their benefit when this is also backed up by a money reward.

        This is why for far too long the copyright side has had their own way unopposed and limited only by what politics can swallow. File-sharing is actually good for the MPAA when it gives them the perfect excuse to force through draconian laws and to seize more control over the population.

        • Ven

          “File-sharing is actually good for the MPAA when it gives them the perfect excuse to force through draconian laws and to seize more control over the population. ”

          Everyone should read this and make it your mantra that you function by. Everything that isn’t helping progress towards copyright-freedom is giving them ammunition to have all kinds of crazy things done. Don’t stand up and proudly call yourself a pirate: that is exactly what they want to be up against in the press. Instead, support the constitution, free speech, and cultural development.

          Piracy is not necessary for survival. You do not topple governments and laws by pirating because you disagree with them. Fight copyright legally, in the press and in debate and in letters to your politicians. Vote for those politicians that want the same future as you.

          Don’t try and convince people that you have to pirate entertainment (<— which is idiocy), or that piracy isn't going anywhere. That only furthers the mindset that you are an unreasonable thief who has no right to be considered. You WANT to be considered.

          This is the way the world works, so don't act like children if you want to change the minds of adults.

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  • Foff

    As far as I am aware there is nothing in copyright law prohibits digital distribution or streaming. I see no reason that If I buy at least one copy I cannot stream the movie as it is equivalent to renting. Copyright was meant to protect publishers so that not just anyone could print a book and sell it. Publishers need protection because they have costs that need to be recovered.

    However digital reproduction costs are almost nil. Thus there is no actual costs to recover in digital reproductions. My point is copyright laws protecting digital forms need to be rewritten. All those extortionist pay up or else schemes ought to be outlawed or at least marginalized. It would be like this: each digital copy is worth say $.25 (Being generous) thus damages for every copy downloaded or streamed would be at most .25 for each copy that could be attributed to a specific ip. When I download something via torrent a rarely see more than six peers, in that case the most damage that could be obtained might be $3.00. Those kind of damages are not even worth a letter. As a side note I know owners of red boxes that buy their disks from Walmart. So none of these so called rental outlets are paying any kind of special license.

    As far as lobbying goes. In my opinion the only ones that a lobbyist should be able to lobby for are those that can actually cast a vote. This would put an end to corporate lobbying as a corporation cannot caste a vote. An organization cannot caste a vote either, I would only allow organizations to lobby that specifically represent a certain group of voters. Organizations like the MPAA or RIAA do not meet that definition as they are bought and paid for by corporate interests and not a group of individual voters.

    • Guest123

      “Copyright was meant to protect publishers so that not just anyone could print a book and sell it.”

      Citation please.

      Article 1 section 8 U.S. constitution

      “To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.”

      First, copyright (in the U.S. at least) was created to incentivize creation of culture or scientific knowledge with the goal of furthering progress. It isn’t just meant to be a means for people to recover costs for material copies, it’s meant to serve as a grant of exclusive rights to control copying and initial distribution. The goal is to give artists and scientists the opportunity to make a profit from their creations or discoveries before the culture or scientific discovery becomes public domain.

      “However digital reproduction costs are almost nil. Thus there is no actual costs to recover in digital reproductions.”

      Again, covering the costs of reproductions is not the goal of copyright. Second, even it recovering costs were the goal, then we’d still have the costs of initial creation to consider. Things like movies or video games (particularly games) have large creation costs that have to be covered before any profits are made.

      “thus damages for every copy downloaded or streamed would be at most .25 for each copy ”

      That’s a completely illogical solution. In that case, there’s no punishment for breaking the law, because the punishment is equal to the cost of the item. We apply punishments greater than the value of the item to dissuade people from breaking the law. Without a punishment, laws mean nothing.

      “As a side note I know owners of red boxes that buy their disks from Walmart. ”

      The difference between these boxes and online distribution is that the Red Box guys aren’t producing new copies. When they rent the disc to someone, they temporarily lose the copy. That’s why it’s legal. They aren’t producing new copies, they’re selling (or renting) copies that were produced at the discretion of the copyright holder.

      Copyright has flaws and needs to be changed. One notable flaw is the long length before the culture enters public domain, which needs to be shortened. However, I’d encourage you to do some research into what copyright is actually meant to do, because you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue.

      • Anonymous

        “thus damages for every copy downloaded or streamed would be at most .25 for each copy ”

        That’s a completely illogical solution. In that case, there’s no punishment for breaking the law, because the punishment is equal to the cost of the item. We apply punishments greater than the value of the item to dissuade people from breaking the law. Without a punishment, laws mean nothing.

        That varies by country. Here in the UK copyright infringement is a civil case and not criminal case. In that respect it is seen more as a dispute where they do not aim to over punish.

        Copyright holders do have to prove the actual damages caused to be awarded compensation for that loss. Dispute settled and the loser often pays the court costs. The court can also ban you doing it again with a contempt of court risk and increased damages.

        So here one download is worth exactly that based around one cinema ticket price or cost of the DVD. That is their loss and that is what is paid. This is also why in BT cases they try to make it a more serious upload and distribution event. The law does not clearly see that on BT you need to upload to download and most people stick to a 1:1 average so not quite a major distribution source.

        My point would be if the infringer had to compensate the copyright holder their actual loss and legal expenses, and they were banned from doing it again, then why should they be punished even more?

        • Guest123

          “My point would be if the infringer had to compensate the copyright holder their actual loss and legal expenses, and they were banned from doing it again, then why should they be punished even more? ”

          A few things. First, a quick disclaimer. I live in the U.S., where copyright infringement is treated as a crime. For criminal laws, additional punishments make sense, and I don’t think you’re disputing that, but as you’re talking mainly about civil law, I’ll address civil suits. I’m also unfamiliar with U.K. laws, so if I say something that goes against what the law there says, you will know why.

          Even in civil suits, people often have to provide compensation past the basic amount of damage done. Punitive can be awarded at the discretion of the judges, although if my understanding is correct, they’re not usually awarded in cases of this scale.

          I suppose if you want to treat copyright infringement as a purely civil law matter, then paying back damage done and court fees with a threat of greater punishments next time is a reasonable way to handle it. I remain unconvinced that treating copyright as a civil matter is the best way to handle the law. The copyright holders should have the right to a civil case to recover damages, but copyright law usually treats the infringement itself as the offense, not the money lost by the company or copyright holder. If the goal is to prevent people from doing it, then criminal law can better accomplish that purpose. In civil law, it seems to be almost unenforceable because you have to prove monetary damage done, as opposed to proving infringement itself. Also, civil law is often used either to resolve disputes or to seek restitution for wrongdoings that are also covered by civil law. This isn’t a dispute, it’s a wrongdoing because there was no agreement or contact between the groups.

          It’s a possible way to handle it, I’m just not convinced it’s the most effective one.

          Also, I just dislike the idea of metered punishments. I don’t like the idea of letting people get away with anything because it’s the first time they did it unless what they did could be a legitimate mistake, and considering that piracy usually (for torrents at least) takes some work to do, I don’t think that’s a reality.

        • Guest123

          “In that respect it is seen more as a dispute where they do not aim to over punish.”

          I also object to that. I said how I don’t see it as a dispute, but the way you describe it, there is no punishment at all beyond legal fees.

      • Ven

        “The difference between these boxes and online distribution is that the Red Box guys aren’t producing new copies. When they rent the disc to someone, they temporarily lose the copy. ”

        To add to what Guest123 said, there are a series of laws that came into affect that only affect the purchase of a hard copy. I can sell a CD I purchased at the store, but not the same album purchased off of Itunes. I can lend the physical copy to friends (who could potentially pirate it), but not digital copies.

        Wikipedia is a great place to learn some of these things. I suggest starting with the DCMA.

    • Ven

      Actually, the RIAA and MPAA represent one of the largest groups of voters and legitimate works in the nation: artists. At least on paper they do. And every single one of those artists that joins them signs off on their lobbying and budgets and everything else they do.

      There shouldn’t be money in politics. There should be no salaries, no benefits, nothing. If I was president, I would take my room and board as payment enough. I would consider it perfectly fair to force politicians to make the Federal minimum wage. And I would be so popular with the public that I could get any dissenting parties removed.

      Scary world where the President was backed by his nation.

  • gae

    I find this bit quite disturbing: “On the educational front, the MPAA is keen to drive home the anti-P2P message to the country’s schools”.
    Schools should be a place of education, not lessons on how to give your money to big coprorations

    • Ven

      Copyright infringement is currently unlawful. If our court system does not accept ignorance as a defense, I believe it is our school’s responsibility to prepare them for real world legal consequences to their actions.

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  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    And the USA has the gall to call itself “a democracy”, and a fighter for “democratic principles”.

    AAAAAaaaaaaahahahahahahahahah

    FAIL

  • Anon

    $50 to the maitre d’ gets you a better table in a good restaurant.

    For your own peace of mind accept the reality of human nature, remember politicians are human and learn to live with politics. Everything else is just you having a silent argument in deep space about how human beings should be.

    Boring.

  • God

    Biden did WTC7.

  • Rubber cookie monster

    I was under the impression that if you bribed a cop / fbi etc was against the law. The fbi is a federal agency, with abilites similar but farther reaching then the police. Isnt lobbying similar in some respects to a bribe?

    • Anonymous

      It should be a crime but apparently not. All depends on if the money comes out of your pocket or your own lawful lobbying agency. Just fill in a lobbying expenses form each quarter and bribe all the cops you want.

      It makes no sense but that is politics for you.

    • Ven

      Check out the Wikipedia entry for a starter course in lobbying. The big difference between lobbying and a bribe is that lobby money is transferred before any action is taken. So legally you can’t promise a politician a big check if they do something, as you are handing over the money before they get to talk to you.

      Obama in his early days of office limited lobbyists being able to become politicians (and to an extent vice versa), although I don’t think the steps went far enough (I don’t believe that a politician should ever become a lobbyist or vice versa). Anywho, read about that here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/ethics/

      In my opinion one of the strongest reasons why politicians are lobbied is because of the private nature of the information being discussed. An open letter could be rebutted, evidence examined, and the public being informed of all of it. With lobbying, a “Representative of the people” is given information and allowed to reach a conclusion with no insight from anyone besides the lobbing party. To me it is the antithesis of the methods the Founding Fathers used draft our Constitution.

  • http://twitter.com/YabbaDabbaTru YabbaDabbaTru

    Lobbying my Ass!! Why not be honest and call it like it is…..Bribery !!

  • Anonymous

    Seems my taxes haven’t gone down since they introduced corporate lobbying. Strange.

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  • Justin Case

    Maybe it’s time for some crowd-funded counter-lobbying.

  • Anonymous

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  • Whatever

    1.6 million in 2011 NOT going to artists !
    (probably not even including salaries,buildings and other resources of lawyers and other parasites)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Beaman/100002545239528 Tom Beaman
  • Anonymous

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  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    talk about piracy just look at what the government is doing with all t hese big corps giving them millions of dollars to get their way.
    now that is piracy.The MAFIAA have bought off (pirated) our rights.
    now all of you should not be giving a dime to these assholes.put your money where your mouth is for once and stop feeding these pigs

  • Anonymous

    This makes a whole lot of sense dude. Wow.

    http://www.real-privacy.no.tc

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  • Eatafatty

    The MPAA should take all their money and put it to better use. There are people that cant even scrape together a meal in this country. There are people who have no place to live. F*ck you MPAA.

  • Eatafatty

    The MPAA should take all their money and put it to better use. There are people that cant even scrape together a meal in this country. There are people who have no place to live. F*ck you MPAA.

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  • LOL

    We have no good jobs anymore , food prices are outrageous , rampant erosion of savings from inflation and the countries infrastructure has went to crap. Seems Washington is worried about their wall street cooperate buddies and not we the people. The US has more people in prison/jail per capita that anywhere in the world. If the MPAA wants to stop people from obtaining media via shareing..then it is up to them(MPAA) to secure it. We don’t need more laws that removes our already limited freedom.

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