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MPAA Has Nothing On Us, isoHunt Tells Court

BitTorrent search engine isoHunt is fighting the injunction and summary judgment issued by the District Court of California last summer in their case against the MPAA. Yesterday, both parties clashed in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, with isoHunt claiming there is no evidence they can be held liable for copyright infringements that may have been committed by its users.

isohuntMay last year the U.S. District Court of California issued a permanent injunction against BitTorrent search engine isoHunt.

The injunction is the result of isoHunt’s protracted court battle with the MPAA that started back in 2006. The Court ordered the owner of isoHunt to start censoring the site’s search engine based on a list of thousands of keywords provided by the MPAA, or cease its operations entirely in the U.S.

With the injunction, isoHunt saw no other option than to implement the filter, which they did. However, at the same time isoHunt owner Gary Fung filed an appeal at the Court of Appeals. Through the appeal, isoHunt hopes to reverse the permanent injunction and obtain a jury trial instead of a summary judgment.

In previous months both isoHunt and the MPAA filed their opinions on the case to the Court, and in February even the search giant Google added its testimony in the case.

Yesterday, the parties appeared before the thee-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals to motivate their stance on the case. isoHunt was represented by long-standing legal counsel Ira Rothken, and the MPAA by their attorney Paul Smith.


MPAA v. isoHunt hearing

In its quest for a jury trial, isoHunt’s attorney argued that there is no evidence that his client and his websites induced specific acts of copyright infringement.

“isoHunt is a search engine. It does not host any copyrighted content, it only links to BitTorrent files. Any copyright infringement that could ever occur, would occur off-site, and leave isoHunt behind.”

“In this case a motion for summary judgement should never have been granted. The District Court made errors, both in terms of the inducement as well as the DMCA. It also issued an overly broad injunction,” Rothken said.

After having introduced some of the arguments, Rothken was interrupted by one of the judges who, in a display of modest curiosity, wanted to confirm that isoHunt was in fact a website.

“As I understand [stops and laughs]. I won’t pretend to understand, I didn’t know what a BitTorrent was until this case. The Internet progresses faster, I just got my iPad 9 months ago and it’s already obsolete,” the judge said.

“So with that caveat, my understanding is that at least with regard to your client, he had a site. He has a site right?” he adds, which isoHunt’s attorney then confirmed. The judge then went on to describe the isoHunt system and asked what element is missing to show a causal relationship between isoHunt and potential copyright inducements.

During the rest of his speaking time isoHunt’s attorney explained how there is no direct evidence that isoHunt’s actions actively induced copyright infringements. Furthermore, he explained that Gary Fung and his websites are protected under the DMCA.

After 20 minutes MPAA attorney Paul Smith took the stand. He argued that “the record makes amply clear that the District Court had every reason to grant the summary judgement to the plaintiffs in this case on their claim of intentional inducement of infringement.”

“I think it’s important to understand here that the claim is a Grokster claim; intentional inducement by the creation of this entire set of websites that facilitated infringement of the plaintiffs copyrighted works on a massive scale.”

“The evidence that it was intentionally designed to do that is extremely compelling and indeed is undisputed. We heard a lot about the need for a trial this morning but there wasn’t a single material fact identified that was disputed in this record,” Smith added.

MPAA’s attorney then went on to explain why the plaintiffs believe the District Court was right, and why isoHunt does not deserve protection under the DMCA. During one of the interruptions, a judge made a call-back to Google, mentioning that the search giant was very worried about MPAA’s take on the law, as described by Smith.

When MPAA’s attorney was done the panel gave isoHunt’s lawyer a brief moment to reply and balance things out before the court adjourned.

Despite the earlier signs that not all judges may be that BitTorrent-savvy, the core issues of inducement and liability have become very clear during the hearing. The important question for isoHunt (and Google and other web-services) in the coming months is whose version of the truth is more compelling to the judges. In this, the judges will be assisted by several technical analyses of legal experts.

Commenting to TorrentFreak, isoHunt founder Gary Fung previously said that a trial by “jury of one’s peers” would be fitting in more way than one. Whether the judges will agree with him will become apparent in the near future.

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  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    FIRST off, the goddamned MAFIAA ought to be charged and tried for Crimes Against Humanity for their persistently selfish, corporate acts of copywrong culpability.

    LONG LIVE isoHunt – we LOVE you guys.

    • Ugly American

      Rob8ourMurdock with this observation:

      “FIRST off, the goddamned MAFIAA ought to be charged and tried for their blatant
      Crimes Against Humanity
      and their persistently selfish, corporate acts of copywrong culpability.”

      Agreed, lad – MAFIAAcide is desperately needed.

  • SomeAsian

    Quite the perversion of “justice” that this was allowed to happen in the first place, if I do say so myself.

    Why even waste money on this futile attempt to censor what is essentially a specialized search engine? If they waste money on this, the MAFIAA might as well censor Google search terms while there at it…oh, wait.

  • Fugasmic

    They still have a hell of a fight of their hands

  • Derp mcderpy

    MPAA is running out of steam. Sooner or later they’ll not have any more proof since the weight of the legal scale is pointing more in favor of the truth than all the lies translated into legal jargon. Nobody truly understands all those legal jargons that mpaa lawyers tout. If all this goes into favor of the people and to all the search engines of the world; MPAA and all other anti-anything will be out of a job. Time to start working on your resumes MPAA.

  • Legion

    If the injunction is against isoHunt and not Gary himself, why not redirect American users to a differently named website for uncensored results?

    • Anonymous

      Take the fight to where the battle is. Always running and hiding won’t last forever if you don’t stand your ground. So he is right to fight this court ruling in the court of appeal.

      • Legion

        And with our fucked legal system, his legal stance won’t last, either. The judge who didn’t know bugger all about BitTorrent is obviously going to side with the major company as opposed to the lilliputian.

        • Abc

          IDK is sounds like hes asking questions, I hope that means he wants to know more about bittorrent, lets see what the outcome is 1st before critising the judges, not all judges are bent look at judge Briss in the UK.

        • Ninja

          Yes, the fact he took the time to ask is somewhat reassuring. If the parties involved truly know about the nature of bittorrent then isoHunt may win in the end.

        • Anonymous

          Indeed. Our court system is very corrupt, paid by lobbyists and crap. Its becoming a rampant problem that will eventually lead to the destruction of the US economic system and our own creativity.

          I have the best of hopes for Gary and isoHunt, but in all honesty, I don’t think he’s going to win at the 9th Circuit of Appeals. California is as corrupt as they get when it comes to liberals. Its like a model the rest of the states will be following if politicians and court systems continue the way they are now.

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  • coffeeright

    I hope these crazy copywrong lawyers lose their jobs and learn that sensorship will not fly on the internet.

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  • puddi puddi

    torrents, the most efficient and best way to conserve bandwidth. And this guy has never heard of it? Even if they somehow outlaw copyrighted torrents, this tech will live on to distribute by people that can’t afford the power it takes to distribute with direct download. Humble indie bundle knows what I’m talking about.

    So again, how does this guy not know what a “bittorrent” is? And he’s judging the fucking case?

    • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

      The judge doesn’t seem that technologically knowledgeable but he does seem to have an open mind and be willing to give everyone a fair say. Fingers crossed, anyways.

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  • Anonymous

    “I just got my iPad 9 months ago and it’s already obsolete,” the judge said”

    Whoa! The iPad 9, is that thing already out?

    • Mike

      The judge probably mean’t that he purchased the iPad “9 months ago”

      I’m pretty certain the judge wouldn’t know the difference anyway between different iPad models…

      • Ninja

        He could be joking with the fact that the gadgets are running up versions fast. At least that’s what I got from his comment. I mean, the carriers always market iphone along with the generation (or version) here, might be the same in the US (now they are selling the iPhone 4 if memory serves). So yeah, he might be joking and that’d be hilarious considering all the aspects of the trial if you ask me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Riighttt… I think isohunt still kind of helps, even if the torrents are on other sites.

    • Legion

      Eric, you look like a pikey

      • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

        Clap clap clap

        Great comeback.

        • jack.ss

          I think your trolling skills are deteriorating if you think “clap clap clap” is a “Great comeback” :D

        • Abc

          If Jack is the same as reasoned turd it will be a number of different people from one company posting as one person, I saw at least 4 different styles of writing from reasoned.

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

          Someone’s in denial. It must be very frightening that there might be more than one person that disagrees with you. Since claiming that everyone is the same person seems to pass for an argument.. I guess all you freetards are really the same person posting under a different name.

        • Abc

          lol your comment isnt even rellevent to my comment and you assume I give a toss what you think. Troll fail

        • Ugly American

          “Someone’s in denial.”

          That would be your precious “industry” of greedy corporate pigs.

          “It must be very frightening that there might be
          more than one person that disagrees with you.”

          …which would explain why you and your MAFIAA are shaking in your boots at the mere thought of technological innovation / progress. Still pushing those plastic discs, are you? What, vinyl records aren’t good enough? Curse this blasted age of digital doohickies!

          “Since claiming that
          everyone is the same person seems to pass for an argument..”

          Translation: Just about everyone has realized that Reasoned / Neo / Murdock = one in the same shill, but he’ll deny it for shits and giggles…

          “I guess all
          you freetards are really the same person posting under a different name.”

          You’re right, Jackie-poo! It’s just me and you on TF – just the two of us… <3

          Speaking of "freetards" – ever visit a library? Ever listen to a tune on the radio? Ever Jack-off in front of the TV? Don't shit us, you hypocrite – you're nothing but a freeturd in the MAFIAA's toilet. Fluuuussssh…

        • Notme

          At least reasond mind would make a good arguement for his side. Murdock is just a dousche.

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

          I guess that one went over your head then. I wasn’t making a comeback. I was applauding his brilliant response.

        • neostyles

          Hi I would like to be your friend

        • Reasoned Mind

          That’s the worst gay pick up line I’ve ever heard

          Here, watch me. I push in your stool

        • Legion

          It wasn’t really a comeback, more stating the obvious.

          Have a nice day!

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

          Pirates wouldn’t be pirates if their only refuge was in avoiding the argument and instead resorting to personal attacks. No one here has a pictures of themselves in their avatar probably because they are too afraid.

          Have a nice day!

        • Legion

          That’s a very bold claim, Eric..

          For the record, I don’t want my Facebook information linked up here because I have friends and a social life. Just sayin’.

          And regarding no picture; Not so much scared as paranoid. You have to be in this day and age, especially when posting on a website such as TorrentFreak – let’s face it, it is much easier to track someone down on the internet as opposed to the mainstream days.

          Now for your first argument about avoiding tthe argument: It was meant as light-hearted joke, nothing more.

          Us ‘Pirates’ as you have incorrectly branded us do not run from an argument; but we WILL fight it and we WILL prevail, no matter how long it takes.

          Piracy is another word for ‘sharing’. Sure, you’re duplicating a copy hundreds/thousands of times over, but in the long run if the publication in question was not of crappy quality at release, it will be purchased by many ‘Pirates’. If it was of crappy quality, it deserves to be ‘pirated’.

          Food for thought:

          Have you ever gone to the cinema, paid the ridiculous fees for Popcorn, the film itself, etc, and then at the end of the film (or Movie for you Amerifags) realised how crap it really was? Would you want your money back? Yes, certainly.

          If you produce high-quality stuff; you will get a good return.

          If not, then on your own head be it.

          An old tale: You get what you deserve.

          @facebook-1426805385:disqus

        • Could this be Jack?
        • Abc
        • Abc

          I wonder if they play covers:
          http://www.thebufords.ca/html/the_gang.html

        • FuzzyDuck

          > No one here has a pictures of themselves in their avatar probably because they are too afraid.

          Neither do you Eric.

        • Legion

          http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/174401_1381724648_7211385_n.jpg

          Hiding your profile publically doesn’t work, Google caches stuff for ages. Sorry about that, Eric.

        • Anonymous

          Is that why whenever you say something completely asinine and we respond with logic and reason you don’t respond back? Or is it because the “facts” you have to back you up are completely made up or non-existent?

          Also, not all people who download things online are “pirates”. You see, as I’ve pointed out before, in some countries outside the U.S. it is PERFECTLY LEGAL to download whatever you want online. As long as you do not sell it or make money off it.

          And the only thing we are afraid of if anything is all the ignorant people who might stumble on this site and read the things you say and believe you and think you’re telling the “truth”, when in fact all you are doing is stating things and twisting them so they work for you. Much like the “facts” the MPAA/RIAA release. Not facts at all, just altered data which can be easily debunked (and has been on more than one occasion). The thing is most people are too ignorant of the issues to be aware of the BS people like you spew and as such you gain some credibility, which is detrimental to society. The ignorant can be easily manipulated to believe whatever some want, in this case you “that all people who download are pirates and are costing people jobs and destroying industries”, despite the fact that the industries are still making record profits, downloading is legal in quite a few countries and I’m not sure about the job thing to be honest because I’ve seen no data one way or another on the issue.

          Silence Jack Murdock, you sir are a stooge. The fact that you troll constantly and can’t even do a decent job of it anymore as of late makes you lamer than anyone I can possibly think of. Sad but true.

        • Ferenc

          In my country it is perfectly legal to download torrent files. Our copyright laws have always been looser than America’s throughout our history, and should be kept that way. But now there are reports of the US govt/MAFIAA trying to influence my govt to adopt a DMCA-like law as well. I just wish the corporate MAFIAA and the American govt would STFU, MIND THEIR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS AND STOP INTERFERING IN MY COUNTRYS’ AFFAIRS! Fuck off and leave us alone!

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  • Ah-ha-ha-ha

    16 comments and “jury of his peers” joke.

    For shame.

    • Ah-ha-ha-ha

      16 comments and not one “jury of his peers” joke.

      (goddammit!)

      • Ninja

        Don’t divert the attention from the awesome iPad 9 joke ;)

    • Lulz

      They would have to get a bunch of tech savvy people to be peers. The mass of the population is just like that judge, too stupid to know better.

      • Jon7272

        that is why court systems are a joke .stupid jury beleave high paid lawers more the more money you have more victories in court how fair is that

  • Xfdf

    “As I understand [stops and laughs]. I won’t pretend to understand, I
    didn’t know what a BitTorrent was until this case. The Internet
    progresses faster, I just got my iPad 9 months ago and it’s already
    obsolete,” the judge said.

    You just couldn’t make this shit up…

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Agreed, and it’s terribly disturbing too because it’s an admission of incompetence to properly and fairly decide on these types of cases. His statement has provided the losing party with solid grounds of appeal, regardless of whatever reasoning is later stated in making their final decision.

      Judges are highly trained in law, and well-placed to decide upon matters involving convoluted and complicated legal arguments, interpretations and coming to a decision based on those facts and arguments.

      But when the case involves new technology, all they’re legal expertise is profoundly undermined if they genuinely don’t know how things actually work in reality.

      The judge of the above quote is quite simply not competent to judge this case.

      • Ninja

        Actually it depends. He might not be acquainted with the technology but that might not be the case with copyright laws. The fact that he asked for further explanation is actually a sign that he wants to deliver a fair sentence with full knowledge of what he’s judging. Time will tell.

    • Whatever

      Alternate reality:

      Isohunt defense: Hey, judge, want to see something cool then give me your ipad for a moment.

      Judge: Ok

      Isohunt defense: (Loads a torrent find app and gives back ipad device) Look at this.

      Judge: (typing something he missed on tv the other day) This is nice, i missed this last night and really want to see that. So what do i do next ?

      MAFIAA: Eh, pssst, judge, we will only pay out the bribe after we win.

      Judge: MAFIAA, don’t bother me now, i busy at the moment. “Isohunt defense”, what else can i do with this ?

      Isohunt defense: Well, you can install a remotely controlled torrent…..

      :-)

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    • Abc

      flaged

  • Lothor The Evil

    ” “As I understand [stops and laughs]. I won’t pretend to understand, I
    didn’t know what a BitTorrent was until this case. The Internet
    progresses faster, I just got my iPad 9 months ago and it’s already
    obsolete,” the judge said. ”

    This is what the copyright holders hope for: the judges have no idea what the bittorrent technology is and will rule in their favor.

    So true though about the iPad. Although I’m too poor to own one, much less I don’t care for Apple anyway.

    To quote Weird Al Yankovic in his song All about the Pentiums:

    “My new computer’s got the clocks, it rocks

    But it was obsolete before I opened the box

    You say you’ve had your desktop for over a week?

    Throw that junk away, man, it’s an antique

    Your laptop is a month old? Well that’s great

    If you could use a nice, heavy paperweight”

    So true. Technology evolves so fast.

  • Lothor The Evil

    ” “As I understand [stops and laughs]. I won’t pretend to understand, I
    didn’t know what a BitTorrent was until this case. The Internet
    progresses faster, I just got my iPad 9 months ago and it’s already
    obsolete,” the judge said. ”

    This is what the copyright holders hope for: the judges have no idea what the bittorrent technology is and will rule in their favor.

    So true though about the iPad. Although I’m too poor to own one, much less I don’t care for Apple anyway.

    To quote Weird Al Yankovic in his song All about the Pentiums:

    “My new computer’s got the clocks, it rocks

    But it was obsolete before I opened the box

    You say you’ve had your desktop for over a week?

    Throw that junk away, man, it’s an antique

    Your laptop is a month old? Well that’s great

    If you could use a nice, heavy paperweight”

    So true. Technology evolves so fast.

  • FuzzyDuck

    And remember folks every time you pay for a movie you are feeding the MPAA.

    The only way to stop them from destroying freedom on the Internet is to starve them to death! Stop paying for movies!

  • FuzzyDuck

    And remember folks every time you pay for a movie you are feeding the MPAA.

    The only way to stop them from destroying freedom on the Internet is to starve them to death! Stop paying for movies!

  • Boobarella

    Bad news: Ray Romano has sued to prevent the showing of the movie. Watch this commercial for Krusty Burger while I appeal this temporary injunction!

  • Anonymous

    The pirates shall stand strong!

  • Anonymous

    The judge: “As I understand [stops and laughs]. I won’t pretend to understand, I didn’t know what a BitTorrent was until this case.”

    oh wow…

    • Anonymous

      It would have been much more educational to have shown him how to BT download a legal movie. It would not take long and a physical demonstration of all the steps involved highlighting how much work a user has to do before they can infringe.

  • anon

    Why are they even fighting in US courts? Just block the US IPs and save the money. Most heavy torrent users are using non-US VPN at this point.

    • Taisho

      So true. If the US fucks with you, fuck them back and leave the rest of the world live in peace. I admire what Gary does for fighting back when he could just block US IPs and enjoy life.

    • Ninja

      Except that it may reach the courts at your country anytime.

  • Xult

    I hope Mr Fung gets a well deserved victory.
    I admire the man for having the guts to stand and fight.
    Even obeying the courts instructions to the letter whilst
    he has waited for this current case.
    He could have done what others have done and simply moved his domain abroad.
    Maybe he will eventually have to do this.
    IsoHunt may well be the next page to be added onto MafiaaFires list.
    But if he wins it will be a great achievement.
    Please remember Mr Murdooch that it is still legal to download
    this type of content in nearly every country on the planet.
    And even in the states nothing is certain yet.
    And as before mentioned.
    Most regular states uploaders are already using
    VPN and proxies and are untracable anyway.
    All the anti filesharing legislation will succeed in doing
    is making more and more people invisible.
    More torrent websites are appearing every day and are
    increasing the diversity and availability of all types of material.
    Indeed the Hydra effect is already quite noticable with
    more IsoHunt type websites openong up.

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  • Anonymous

    lol, Piss on the MPAA, and the kangaroo court they rode in on.
    http://www.totally-anon.at.tc

    • Fuck Your VPN

      Shut up fag. Youre neither here to judge nor rant. Flagged, you piece of shit.

      • Ninja

        Ppl.. just flag it and don’t reply… It’ll go quietly and nicely away when TF mods see it.. But if you reply it’ll remain…

  • Cena

    We all know ISOHunt was created with the sole purpose of facilitating piracy. No use pretending to be innocent is there?

    The age old excuse of “We can’t be held liable for the actions of our users” just doesn’t cut it anymore. Every damn warez site and torrent site on the internet writes that in their disclaimer to protect themselves and says the same thing when they are taken to court.

    I mean who are they kidding? They all created these sites with the sole intention of pirating and they knew very well beforehand what users are gonna use their sites for.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Even if your heinous allegations were shown and proven to be true, wtf is your point?

      Non-commercial filesharing (aka “piracy” in your book) assists EVERYONE involved from the production studios cleaners to the potential customers. But you dummies have went on the attack against the very people who’re MOST likely to purchase your ‘product’ (if it’s genuinely worth the asking price) with a foolish and erroneous mindset of mass-thievery.

      You guys then proceed to Court with crazy cases that only Dumb & Dumber would undoubtedly be proud of.

      Get real, and drag yourselves into the 21st Century or suffer the ultimate of the asswipes that you show yourselves be – yep, flushed down the toilet.

    • Cena is a dumbass

      See, here is part of the problem with your argument -

      1) Torrent search engines only reference .tor files and link to them. This is no different than google doing the same thing – which they have – for forever.

      2) Just because torrent search engines return results that include copyrighted works doesn’t mean that is the search engine’s “intent”.

      3) Proving #2 would be incredibly difficult if not impossible anyway.

      When an industry like the MPAA makes more money hand over fist than every previous year, I have to wonder what, if any impact “piracy” impacts the industry, if not in a positive way.

      I’ve watched films that, once I confirmed were any good, I’ve paid to go see them with a date. There are soooo many crappy films released each year I don’t know how better determine how to spend what little discretionary income I have to spend in this area!

      • Legion

        ‘Cena is a dumbass’

        I think you mean ” .torrent “, not ” .tor “…

        • Cena is a dumbass

          No, you dumbass, I mean “.tor”, not “.torrent”…

        • Roz

          the fuck is a .tor file?

        • Cena is a dumbass

          Your momma distributes her sex tapes using .tor files.

        • Cena is a dumbass

          Your momma distributes her sex tapes using .tor files.

        • storm

          you know the fact that the judge seemed clueless doesn’t make him incomptetent, infact it might well be a good thing in this one instance. He seems quite jovial about his lack of knowldge…like many people you’d meet on the streets. I would hope his lack of expertese in this matter should also mean he has no bias or opinion on the matter. When you consider how many cases have been handed to judges with a hand in the mpiaa recently. Maybe this guy can at least come in from a fresh perspective and actually JUDGE the case on whay is presented to him. Rather than having some preset agenda that he wont budge on….ok ok maybe im being hopeful. But I think there is at least a little logic to my arguement.

          As for putting pictures on profiles..i play need for speed..most people dont have a profile picture on there..what are they hiding from? ahhh nothing. If people are scared then maybe it’s because they want to see some kind of REASON happening before they commit. I have signed public petitions etc towards this cause and donated money to isohunt. That is harldy hiding in the shadows…and i bet many people here have done the same as me. Just because we aren’t stupid enough to get lynched is not the same as hiding away.

        • Xult

          BitchT
          trollent

        • Xult

          No you mean Jack Murdock is fucklnk useless.
          And you are the next useless troll!

        • Xult

          What a loads of Bollocks Xult

        • Xult

          I disagree Xult

        • Xult

          What the F are you talking about…
          I’m speaking to myself.
          Sign of Skit So .
          To post on TF must be mentally challrnged!
          Sorry must be fucking English!#
          Indeed that proves our multiple personalities point.
          No… it does not!
          where did I leave that Machete!
          Should have kept it in the cutting room!

        • Xult

          Spelling error….. Bitchtrollent!

      • Legion

        ‘Cena is a dumbass’

        I think you mean ” .torrent “, not ” .tor “…

      • Xult

        Troll

    • Ninja


      We all know ISOHunt was created with the sole purpose of facilitating file sharing. No use pretending to be guilty is there?”

      There, corrected for you.

  • I DONT CARE

    As I understand [stops and laughs]. I won’t pretend to understand, I didn’t know what a BitTorrent was until this case.

    That line confirms my worst fears. Why the fuck would you get someone who doesnt know what the fuck [a] BitTorrent is, how it works, how the websites use them etc. Its a fucking joke. You are going to get a completely worthless verdict, as that judge will probably still not understand fully by the end of it.

    Get 3 judges that know BitTorrent, the DMCA and whatever else fully and comprehensively, then you’ll get a verdict people will be happy about

    • Ninja

      Actually, he has to know about copyright laws and judge if isoHunt is actually promoting infringements. If isoHunt defense can make the judge understand how bt works then the verdict might be fair and correct.

      my 2 cents

    • Ninja

      Actually, he has to know about copyright laws and judge if isoHunt is actually promoting infringements. If isoHunt defense can make the judge understand how bt works then the verdict might be fair and correct.

      my 2 cents

  • Lawstudent

    whos the dumbass women asking these retarded questions?? – if u know her pass on a message – FAWK YOU!! before asking retarded questions and constantly interrupting.. SHUT THE FAWK UP and LISTEN B1TCH! so ffin irritating – the b1tch forgot where the kitchen is.. stay out of law f4gots/hoes..

    wish i was there 2 give her a piece of my mind.. her braincells would crash and burn after a single word

    the reason america sucks ballz is cuz theyr all absolute fukin morons who feed on greed instead of common sense..

    - addressed to the 2% of the americans – yes.. those 2%

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  • PREDATOR

    Fuck the courts, fuck the judges, fuck the lawers and fuck the law.

    let’s kill all these corporate parasites and be done with it.

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  • Duncan

    …tough case. From an international perspective, we love Isohunt, we download movies and music signposted from the site, and will go somewhere else if you get closed down. US enterprise then loses to countries unfettered by US court decisions. I should quietly move the site out of the USA. Multinationals have been exploiting global legal differences for decades. Why be a martyr in one country when your amazingly popular service is so portable? If you’re not appreciated at home, base yourselves where your tax take will be welcome. It’s a global web. One country can’t police it. Good luck, and pack your bags just in case :)

  • Apgoodson222

    Taking down ISOHunt is like taking down a dating site because women are getting date raped by its users.

    • Ninja

      Nasty analogy but it might be true heh

    • Ninja

      Nasty analogy but it might be true heh

    • The guy above is an idiot

      What the fuck? Not only is your analogy complete bullshit/irrelevant bullshit, but you should have your hands removed so you can no longer continue to post such turgid bollocks online.

  • QuadSlacker

    “As I understand [stops and laughs]. I won’t pretend to understand, I didn’t know what a BitTorrent was until this case.

    “So with that caveat, my understanding is that at least with regard to your client, he had a site. He has a site right?”

    This is a joke, right? This is the fucking Onion, right???

    WHO THE FUCK DECIDED THIS GUY HAD THE REQUISITE KNOWLEDGE TO DICTATE MATTERS OF LAW??? THROW HIS ASS IN A NURSING HOME AND GET SOMEONE WHO ISN’T A GERIATRIC OLD FART TO DECIDE WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE A FREE INTERNET!!!!

    Wherever do they find these people, I don’t know. The world is going down the toilet faster than you can say “Joliet”.

  • Kthor

    buy guns time for a little revolution in America!! we need a torrent free world!

  • JT

    We all know that in America the court system are controlled by big fat corporations, as well as the FBI and the politicians so sad

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  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    someone do us all a favor and take down the MAFIAA now

  • http://profiles.google.com/extremephobia Brandon Fusco

    I think the isoHunt attorney definitely missed a point pretty early on. When the judge asked about the site and said that Gary Fung was “pushing” these links, he should have pointed out that he doesn’t even post the links. Users post the links, users host the data. It’s the same as a man setting up a stand on a sidewalk and peddling pirated movies. If this were the case, then the MPAA would have to look for an injunction against the government (assuming the government didn’t immediately remove the person).

  • http://profiles.google.com/extremephobia Brandon Fusco

    I think the isoHunt attorney definitely missed a point pretty early on. When the judge asked about the site and said that Gary Fung was “pushing” these links, he should have pointed out that he doesn’t even post the links. Users post the links, users host the data. It’s the same as a man setting up a stand on a sidewalk and peddling pirated movies. If this were the case, then the MPAA would have to look for an injunction against the government (assuming the government didn’t immediately remove the person).

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  • hmmmmm….

    This is great and all, but was it ever brought up in court about the “isohunt Release:” torrents? You know, when isoHunt officially recognise that a piece of software/album/movie/tv series download/blablabla is legitimate (thus virus-free, risk-free, etc.) and thus give it their own seal of approval?

    Surely that can’t have slipped by the courts. If they saw that isoHunt were legitimately recognising certain files as being okay to download without risk then it would completely crush their case where they say they are just a search engine…

    Don’t get me wrong, I love isoHunt and everything, but seriously… Lying to the MPAA? Not a very smart thing to do. Makes them seem like a bunch of arrogant hacker shitheads.

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