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MPAA, RIAA Team Up With ISPs to ‘Alert’ Pirates

A breakthrough coalition of the MPAA, RIAA and other copyright holders have signed an agreement with AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner Cable and Verizon to curb piracy. Under the agreement the ISPs agree to send “copyright alerts” to subscribers whose Internet connections are used for copyright infringement. Repeated offenders will not be disconnected from the Internet, but could be slowed down instead.

alertAs unofficially announced last month, a coalition of entertainment industry groups and several major U.S Internet providers have teamed up to curb online piracy.

At the center of their plan is a system to notify and educate suspected copyright infringers by sending them so-called ‘copyright alerts’.

According to the participants, including the MPAA, RIAA and all major ISPs, the warning system is likely to result in a massive decrease in online piracy in the U.S. All partners stress, however, that the agreement is merely a ‘common framework’ to deal with copyright infringements and it doesn’t oblige ISPs to disconnect users’ Internet access.

So what the plan?

The new agreement will streamline the current avalanche of DMCA notices Internet providers are already forwarding to their customers. A third-party will monitor file-sharing networks and collect the IP-addresses of suspected infringers. These will then be added to a database and forwarded to the Internet provider who will send a corresponding copyright alert.

This alert will inform the Internet subscriber that his or her account was allegedly used to share copyrighted content, and how to prevent this from happening in the future. If the same IP-address is spotted again a similar alert will be sent, and only after 5 ‘strikes’ will the Internet provider take action.

The ISPs have several options on how to deal with repeat infringers. One of the suggestions is to slow down their connection speed, but ISPs may also temporarily redirect the customer to a landing page which offers instructions on how to engage in a friendly and educational chat with the abuse department.

Before any of the above sanctions go into effect Internet subscribers have the right to call for an independent review at the cost of a $35 filing fee.

But will it be effective?

Not really. First of all this agreement only covers a few of the many sources of online piracy. The millions of U.S. Internet users who download via cyberlockers are not affected by this agreement at all, as these downloads are impossible to track by third parties. The same is true for the many online streaming portals which have become very popular recently.

The agreement is mainly targeted at BitTorrent users, but these can also bypass the copyright alerts quite easily. Signing up for a VPN or proxy does the trick, and the same is probably true for more obscure private BitTorrent trackers which are less likely to be monitored.

A recent survey in France, where Internet users can actually lose their connection, revealed that the new agreement might not be worth the cost. Only 4% of the polled file-sharers said they stopped sourcing music from illegal services out of fear of detection. In the UK, a recent survey by an ISP revealed similar results.

Despite the relative ease with which copyright infringers can bypass the warning system and the lack of deterrence, all parties involved are ecstatic about the new agreement.

“This groundbreaking agreement ushers in a new day and a fresh approach to addressing the digital theft of copyrighted works,” RIAA’s Cary Sherman trumpeted in a comment.

We have our doubts.

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  • Milpool

    I don’t understand – how, exactly, do they know the specific content being downloaded?

    • Anonymous

      They don’t, they guess and hope. This is why we can’t have nice things…

      • Anonymous
        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          I’m already working with several of those organizations. It’s a shame my money is limited, I’d like to help more =(

          On topic:

          “According to the participants, including the MPAA, RIAA and all major ISPs, the warning system is likely to result in a massive decrease in online piracy in the U.S”

          The word FAIL comes to mind when I read that statement. But hey, let the clowns amuse us ;)

      • http://www.facebook.com/prunn Bruno Lévesque

        they do, sniffing technologies are present with every isp, unless the data is well encrypted they know everything you’ve downloaded or uploaded for the last years
        its known for a fact, from the inside

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Erm, no. Not a chance. For even a mid-sized ISP, storing a mirror of all transmitted data would mean the cost in disk storage space alone would soon exceed the typical overhead of said ISP.

          The UK had a suggestion of storing every transmitted bit of data going in and out of the country. It was scrapped once they realized that the suggested 12 billion UK pounds wouldn’t even cover the cost of the required storage space, let alone maintenance.

          What an ISP generally stores if they are unscrupulous is traffic data. I.e. what ip adressed called which ip adress. And which of their consumer accounts was, at the time, linked to that adress.

          So all your ISP can really say is that you visited Thepiratebay.org and subsequently made connections to Ip addy 1, Ip addy 2, and IP addy 3 and downloaded/uploaded X megabytes. They can say absolutely nothing about what data was transmitted unless they’ve actively decided to sniff your specific transfer for some reason.

          Even then even rudimentary encryption locks them out of that option, and using a proxy or VPN means all they know is that you made connection to one specific ip adress. they can still see how much data was transferred but not to whom or what the data was.

        • Strobble

          Actually most ISP will only keep logs for 6 months of less.

      • http://www.facebook.com/prunn Bruno Lévesque

        they do, sniffing technologies are present with every isp, unless the data is well encrypted they know everything you’ve downloaded or uploaded for the last years
        its known for a fact, from the inside

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        Basically they are using the same method as a man who, after seeing a person in a red volvo commit a crime, then develops a habit of beating up people driving volvos.

        And they have the legal tools to make it legitimate to boot.

        There are, however, no legal redress for beaten up volvo owners who happen to be innocent. If there was, the method of going after ip numbers would soon die miserably.

    • Hannah B.

      They don’t, they rely on the MPAA/RIAA to tell them. And if they tell them wrong, well, just pay $35 and the ISP will maybe kinda look it over.

      • hikaricore

        Or I pay them $0 and tell them to lick my balls.

        • Noah C.

          That’s… pretty much all that happens. They slow down your service. Damnit, now I have to buy a VPN.

        • DarknezzMadnezz

          this sounds like the problem will only get worse if they go down this path… People not only will continue or even start to bypass these things or just refuse to pay all together and switching to another ISP…
          Personally if my ISP slowed me down, my payments would “slow down” too.

        • DarknezzMadnezz

          this sounds like the problem will only get worse if they go down this path… People not only will continue or even start to bypass these things or just refuse to pay all together and switching to another ISP…
          Personally if my ISP slowed me down, my payments would “slow down” too.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Simply call the ISP and use the standard claims: spoofed IP, open wireless, hack etc. Then tell them you are working to find the problem and threat to take things to the court if they slow down. Case solved. DO NOT FORGET TO ENCRYPT YOUR TRAFFIC.

          Oh, you can also go VPN, cyberlockers, streaming, e-mail, usenet, [insert obscure alternatives here separated by commas] etc.

          I wouldn’t like moronic bastards licking my balls so I’d rather try the above suggestions 8D

      • Anonymous

        This system seems so open to abuse.

        Who exactly validates this data to ensure valid? Who validates the copyright status and copyright owner to avoid wrongful claims? What about if some neighbour hacked their wireless router? Could not this $35 be a new revenue stream for these ISPs? It can add up into large income over time and would welcome repeat offenders.

        I so feel that TF will cover such future news.

        • Noah C.

          Oh, it is. The the $35 is probably an agreement to which half would go to the record companies to recover from “lost sales” and the ISPs to make a little bit of spare cash.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          I can see the $35 being an abuse. IP can be so damn easily crushed as an evidence of online activity (as long as you encrypt your traffic) that this fee is laughable. I call this a lawsuit factory. We’ll see users taking them to the court.

        • http://profiles.google.com/sambou812 sam browning

          1 isn’t it illegal to investigate a criminal act without a state licence.
          2 it is the act of uploading copyright material that’s illegal.(not streaming)
          this push is all so comming with the help of the white house

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          “Who exactly validates this data to ensure valid? Who validates the copyright status and copyright owner to avoid wrongful claims? What about if some neighbour hacked their wireless router? Could not this $35 be a new revenue stream for these ISPs?”

          No one does.
          No one does.
          Then you get stuck with the bill for what your neighbour did.
          It certainly could, and probably will be.

          Just a few answers to above. In some countries where you are obligated to “secure” your wireless router my advice is: Don’t get one unless you’re part of the 1% of the population who can decently do so.

        • Lynx

          Keep your $35 and switch ISPs. If they keep losing customers, maybe they’ll change their minds..

      • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

        Comcast subscriber here. If I ever get one of these notices, that’ll be when I finally sign up for BTGuard.

        • Strobble

          Why pay for a proxy when you can use one for free. And if you encrypt your data and get on and off when the download is done, it would be very hard for them to catch you. You need to watch closer at the actions of the copyright troll lawyers that are hired by crappy movie distributors. And never download and seed the top ten movies on Torrent Freak, wait and get them later. There are many ways to protect yourself, the main idea is don’t be greedy and don’t try to download the Internet :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mathew-Lisett/666201726 Mathew Lisett

      they dont, they simply say they do so that paranoia kicks in for those that are doing it. they hold fear as a weapon

    • Anonymous

      It is all a BT monitoring system where they have their software join the swarm to gather IP addresses AND proof of uploading. The second aspect is needed to rule out false detections.

      This cannot work for file lockers and news servers which maintain a private connection between the server and you with no third party watching. Using BT can still work safely by using VPN or an anonymous proxy.

      I also doubt they will care much if you download TV shows when they more see it as a way to get more fans and viewers. With so many hundreds of stations around people will mostly tune in to shows they like so it all makes sense. More viewers and more advertising revenue.

      • Thomas Roy Garner

        Wrong, the big boys say you are “stealing” tv shows by downloading them b/c you are getting them commercial free (usa), if you didn’t go through a “legitimate” site, you are stealing in their eyes…

        • Anonymous

          Then some series release their pilot episode and maybe more to the Internet on purpose to drum up a fan-base even before the first episode airs on TV to maximise recorded viewers. The higher the viewing figure the more advertising revenue and network interest.

          No home user has ever been attacked for downloading a TV episode from my large awareness.

        • Strobble

          So be it!

      • Nutman

        Just wanted to say that I was warned by Comcast for downloading an episode of Glee.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Wolverine once said a very wise thing in the movie when Erik and Charles tried to recruit them: “Go fuck yourselves.”

          Repeat that to Comcast. And maybe add their service is crap and change ISP.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

        for them to PROVE any uploading or downloading THEY have to be criminals and upload/download, otherwise, they can have no idea what is going on in the swarm…

        • djnforce9

          @Buglord: While that is true, we can only assume they are the rightsholders of the material they are monitoring and can therefore “give themselves” permission to download it. That or they don’t actually download or upload anything at all. Instead they may just check and see which peers with US IP addresses are actually connectable and then flag those.

    • Anonymous

      They simply join the BitTorrent swarms and collect the IP-addresses they see.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        And we see that IPs are very weak evidence. BT users could join the swarm of mass lawsuits against the abusive system they just implemented.

    • Bronxbull1960

      Based on bandwidth uppage one month you d/l 35gbs and then you shoot up to 400gbs (Hypothetically) flags their server your traced thru your STATIC IP ADDRESS
      and they check the data and send you a warning….I use ARES GALAXY as my bittorrent which uses an independant proxy it makes me ‘invisible’….I live in Rhode Island and a big anti-piracy group have servers at MIT in Mass.
      I was suspended a couple of months ago….I started using ARES and my download usage has been untraceable thus far…..

      • Strobble

        Onion proxies are the best to use because you always connect to a different IP or country, they can be real slow unless you have everything configured correctly.

    • Strobble

      They have sniffers that can go out and check your data. The bandwidth usage might be the signal The best way is to use a proxy and used the encryption with your torrent client and just get what you need and get off. You can also use Giganews and Usenet, but that cost money but they are all direct downloads.

  • lol

    lol

  • Hmm

    fail haa

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  • Pauloat

    slowed down is the new censorship.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Aye, as if the ISP’s aint ripping us off already with their stupid b/w caps and “fair use” claws (sic. lol) grabbing every sperm-stained cent they can get.

      So the MAFIAA’s response to yet another tech-revolution is yet again to fight against it, protect their own theft from the artistes and the ‘consumer’ all to the detriment of society and human development.

      But the US politicians are so wrapped-up in their own selfish pusuit of ever-increasing wealth and power they sell their vote and soul to the highest bidders. Enter the MAFIAA using the cash YOU gave them in the first place.

      Anyone see anything wrong with this equation?

  • Guest

    Is there a REAL ISP over at the US nao?
    ’cause these ones don’t seem to provide service for their customers, all they do is being little bitches of the mafiaa industry

    • Anonymous

      Some people tried to set a few up, then the fat cats got their judge friends to shut them down for “illegal competition” or whatever. Can’t have anyone interfering with their monopolies.

      • Asd

        Capitalism at its best!

      • Asd

        Capitalism at its best!

      • Asd

        Capitalism at its best!

    • Anonymous

      Some people tried to set a few up, then the fat cats got their judge friends to shut them down for “illegal competition” or whatever. Can’t have anyone interfering with their monopolies.

    • Strobble

      Wideopenwest is a good ISP, 200 percent better than Comcast or ATT. Their service is only in 4 or 5 states and not throughout. I have used them for 11 years without any issues.

  • Nigger

    what a great team!

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  • Djjj

    Thank God I live in Europe! My ISP is fucking awesome.

    • Anonymous

      Yes Europe has done some good things. One of those includes the European Parliament banning 3-strike laws years before the UN got around to it. See the related post link above titled “European Parliament Says No to Three-Strikes Law”

      Now if only some countries would stop playing obedient puppy dog to the USA.

      • Sc1t4le

        This means little at the moment. Both the UK and France have three strike laws. Germany has a very active prosecution racket going on which no-one is challenging.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          I’d say the European Parliament is very similar to the UN. Both are just for decoration and countries will do whatever they want even if the EP or the UN say it’s wrong ;)

          And considering how the European Union is always on the edge of falling down for several reasons, including conflicting interests, it’s no surprise France and UK ignored what the EP said.

          Globalized world is… Globalized?

          Laughable ;)

  • jUsTsAD

    sigh.. i know they have to do stuff to at least make their shareholders think they’re trying to protect their bloated profits in order for them to keep investing in these dead/dying business models.. but it just keeps getting more and more sad… good luck MPAA/RIAA… as for me, every time i read stuff like this, it has the opposite effect they are hoping for. shall i help you find my middle finger?

  • http://www.filesoup.com/forum Geeker

    Having your WiFi unencrypted and open for everyone to use if they want, is NOT illegal !

    • Anonymous

      Tell that to the SWAT teams after they kick down your door and shoot your dog.

    • Anonymous

      Tell that to the SWAT teams after they kick down your door and shoot your dog.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

        if anyone, even the president himself, came into my house without my consent or legal documents signed and valid, I would shoot him in self-defense for trespassing and X amount of reasons he could possibly come to my home to do, ranging from stealing random coins possibly laying around to torturing my family and burning my house down…

        unless punishing crimes and defending your family, home and yourself is illegal…
        for some reasons, I want to take over north-korea as their next leader, it just somehow seems safer than living in the USA…

    • Sc1t4le

      It is in Germany. By law you have to have your WiFi encrpyted

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        Because closed and encrypted wireless connections can’t be breached. Brilliant Germans!

        • Guest

          German people can use “password” or “key” as the password. :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1100028200 Michael Vario

    It’s really time to stop being on the defensive, Thomas Jefferson was right, copyright/patent are NOT in the best interest of the people.

  • Synthetic NS

    Just wait until they realize that the majority of their customers have decided to downgrade their service after they receive their first warning.

    Unless you work from home, there’s simply no reason to pay for anything higher than their basic service. Even gaming doesn’t require the ridiculous download speeds many of them are offering (and this is coming from a PC gamer).

    If file-sharing is off the table, it’ll just lead to less revenue… simple as that.

    I have no interest in the garbage Hollywood churns out each year… and I support the musicians I enjoy, so none of this even applies to me.

  • Synthetic NS

    Just wait until they realize that the majority of their customers have decided to downgrade their service after they receive their first warning.

    Unless you work from home, there’s simply no reason to pay for anything higher than their basic service. Even gaming doesn’t require the ridiculous download speeds many of them are offering (and this is coming from a PC gamer).

    If file-sharing is off the table, it’ll just lead to less revenue… simple as that.

    I have no interest in the garbage Hollywood churns out each year… and I support the musicians I enjoy, so none of this even applies to me.

    • Strobble

      I used to have 16 MPBS.. didn’t need it and I am running 4 computers and a server, downgraded to 8 about one year ago. Even when I played World of Warcraft did not notice any difference. Between 2 and 8 for me is 5 bucks a month difference. I pay $64 for cable and Internet together.

    • Strobble

      I used to have 16 MPBS.. didn’t need it and I am running 4 computers and a server, downgraded to 8 about one year ago. Even when I played World of Warcraft did not notice any difference. Between 2 and 8 for me is 5 bucks a month difference. I pay $64 for cable and Internet together.

  • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

      Wow classic lmao!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/xx.foxracing.xx1990 Chris Philpot

    such bullshit :) just sayin..

    • Zzzz

      Don’t you be ‘just sayin’ all up in my face!

    • Zzzz

      Don’t you be ‘just sayin’ all up in my face!

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  • Benjamin

    Well, I had stopped file sharing for the past 6 months or so…. not out of fear of reprisal, but because there wasn’t really anything I was interested in dl’ing or ul’ing. Plus I’ve been boosting my credit numbers on SETI, which seemed like a more worthwhile enterprise than helping advertise the MAFIAA’s shitty products.

    Time to fire up the clients. Let them bring me to court, I dare them – and I won’t settle.

    As an aside…. how do they know what email address to send these warnings to? Or does Comcast assume every subscriber still uses the comcast email address they give you when you sign up? It’s almost like they’re ASKING FOR IT.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t even know if I’ve still got an e-mail address with my ISP. If I do, I’ve forgotten it. I just use GMail these days. I haven’t used a “real” e-mail client in ages…

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        That makes a few million of us.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t even know if I’ve still got an e-mail address with my ISP. If I do, I’ve forgotten it. I just use GMail these days. I haven’t used a “real” e-mail client in ages…

    • Guest

      If your idea of “entertainment” is participating in the SETI project rather than watching movies or listening to music (and let’s face it, MAFIAA’s “shitty” products are amongst the most popular movies/songs in the wrold), well we can stop the SETI project right now, because we’ve officially found an extraterrestrial being.

      • Benjamin

        I never mentioned anything about “entertainment”. I’d simply found SETI to be better use of my bandwidth than sharing files. I know that the top new music, movies, games and books are what drives most of torrent and p2p traffic, but I’ve always been a trader in what I like to think is the good shit. That is, classic works, older and newer, films and music, ebooks that should largely be out of copyright but for nebulous reasons, may not be. Just because it’s new and popular, does not quantify it as “entertainment”

        I’m driven to share not so much out of spite for modern culture, but to preserve the few GOOD things that have arisen out of modern culture that are, in my opinion, worth sharing with everyone. This is largely media that has already seen it’s prime sales heyday, and has already been relegated to the clearance shelf. There is little more profit to be made to the artist, and their work has become something of a public good, something that should rightfully belong to every human being.

        You may be correct though. I’ve recently begun receiving signals from The Mothership – they’re telling me that the Singularity is close at hand.

    • Jonbradley1125

      Good point. I have never even used my Comcast email.

  • Somewhere

    Its simple get falsely acused pay $35 get confirmation its false SUE SUE SUE for $1,000,000 “little pinky”

    But seriously get prof your innocent from them and sue the crap out of them.

    • Anonymous

      And the damage would be? A false accusation is not enough when being a private matter it does not even rank under libel or slander.

      Any restrictions imposed would soon be undone. Loss or restriction of service would be covered in their T&C which you agree with through using their service.

      • Reader

        Maybe so, but don’t a country’s privacy laws and any laws relating to defamation of character overrule T&Cs?

      • Reader

        Maybe so, but don’t a country’s privacy laws and any laws relating to defamation of character overrule T&Cs?

  • http://twitter.com/BrainSlugs83 Michael Jensen

    Well, I guess it’s good that you can buy VPN with bitcoin now… just leaving your computer running when you’re not using it should pay for the VPN if you have an okay gfx card. ;-)

  • townie2

    what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty, or the right to be judged by a jury of your peers?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

      and for what I’ve heard, you were supposed to have the right to a fair trial too, or something like that.. and I don’t think “you didn’t pay us money, therefor you stole that money for us” makes any sens at all.. the fact that this argument is being accepted although it is completely false, is not fair at all and if any jury would think so… well I guess my theories are right then…

  • Crash

    This is an admission that even they think disconnection is disproportionate.

    • Anonymous

      Yes no mention of disconnections. Still after that UN ruling they would sure be showing a lot of arrogance to want that one.

  • Phil Landry

    I used a seedbox once, and It rocked. It’s like a drug, you download everything you find and at one point you even start download B-movies and stuff you know you won’t listen. And one day when your 6TB drives are full, you realize that maybe you have download enough… at least for this season.

    • Big difference!

      LOL yeah!

      And Now, you decide to replace your 720p by the new 1080p format of all your tv seasons and buy new hard drive!

  • Duke1980

    They call it content theft, its sharing. People who bought the content put it online to share. Its like giving away your cd’s to strangers. Who ever thinks otherwise lives in the past.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      +1 Duke.

      These industry profiteers who’ve ripped us off for almost a full century now have become so rich and comfortable they now DEMAND to stay that way and are paying (with OUR money) US politicians to do their filthy corrupt bidding.

      Awfully well put Duke – I wish I could put things as easy to understand as you just did my friend. THANK YOU> please give us more …

  • Duke1980

    They call it content theft, its sharing. People who bought the content put it online to share. Its like giving away your cd’s to strangers. Who ever thinks otherwise lives in the past.

  • 6 Foot 5

    Serious question – I keep hearing people talk about VPNs.

    Well, won’t the MAFIAA just contact the VPN provider & demand the customer info?

    In other words, doesn’t it just shift the blame from the ISP to the VPN provider?

    A VPN doesn’t make you anonymous, or does it? Both ISPs and VPN providers have language about privacy, but that they will comply with court orders.

    Or is that the point? That now ISPs & MAFIAA are in cahoots, and a court order is no longer allowed, but with a VPN, it would be?

    Sorry, I’m just trying to understand this.

    • Sgangelstriker

      Id like to know more about VPN’s as well. Especially how they work and such.

      • Anonymous

        Your home or business computer creates an encrypted link to the VPN server which decrypts your data and then acts as a proxy in the connection to your chosen third server/website/person etc.

        The encrypted link stops your ISP monitoring what you are doing which bypasses any blocks or censorship they have in place. Then the VPN server keeps your true IP address a secret and only tells this third place to send data to their server which they then pass on to you.

        The better VPN services do not keep log files. So once you disconnect they only know how much data you used and not who you connected to and when. Should they receive any complaints then they can truthfully say “we dont know who did it” and a court case would be pointless when the data does not exist.

        The VPN services who do keep logs I would not recommend use by those in the United States due to on-going court cases against home users. Still it should be true to say that none would have desire to obtain a court order for your VPN provider to hand over your details for a second court case there. A lot of work when there are much easier victims. Any serious VPN provider would also fight hard to protect your anonymity.

        Governments will try to force VPN services to keep logs in the name of pedophiles and terrorists but if they do keep logs then anyone can then court order the release of the information they need. This would affect legitimate business and scientists when any copyright infringement lie can turn over their IP address, home address and with extra research their phone numbers, names of their family members and the schools their kids go to. It then becomes possible for bad groups or governmental teams to kidnap their children and hold them hostage until desired research data is handed over.

        Rare but it could happen. So there is only anonymous or a risk.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          If you encrypt the traffic inside the encrypted vpn tunnel then it’s epic win. They won’t know what you transferred. Am I right?

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          @Ninja

          “If you encrypt the traffic inside the encrypted vpn tunnel then it’s epic win. They won’t know what you transferred. Am I right?”

          Google “Onion routing”. It’s the fundamentals of what Tor is all about. These days there are up and working p2p clients such as stealthnet which use the same technology. Basically, every user is an encrypting proxy and there is no way to tell from which person in the network the request or transmitted data originated.

      • anon

        Get a VPN that’s not hosted or incorporated in the US. For P2P, use Netherland or Hong Kong servers.

        • Strobble

          Switzerland has some pretty good ones too.

    • FuzzyDuck

      You have to pick a VPN provider that doesn’t keep logs and that operates in another country than the one you live in. Pay it anonymously as well (using Bitcoins) and there’s really no way to tie you to anything.

      • Guest

        oy pay using Ukash

      • Guest

        oy pay using Ukash

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        You also have to pick a VPN that doesn’t have the letters “M”, “A”, “F”, or “I” (AA) in its domain name lol.
        Sorry guys – I guess I’m feeling naughty again :)

        Seriously tho’ – the best move for these failing “content industries” is to start monopolising the VPN market and control all traffic and content from there.

        But is it too late to put the genie back into the bottle guys?
        I think so. Ah well – enjoy your impending poverty ….

      • Reagancon315

        I’ve had mine by money order. fake name address and got the code after a nice e-mail with the founder. And it’s the best I’ve had…doesn;t even slow down my connection.

    • VPN

      purpose of vpn is to stop monitoring. it has completely legit uses in business, science… since they don’t really know what you are using your vpn for, they can’t just go and monitor/log your activity. what if you’re passing research on the cure for cancer through it? if they were allowed to monitor/log, no one would use their services. all data is encrypted and they can’t keep logs. only thing they can pass to whoever gets a court order is what ip you were connected from and when. that can be used against you.. but like people said above, find a trusty provider far out of the jurisdiction of the U.S.. or better yet.. don’t download the garbage MPAA/RIAA are responsible for and you won’t have to worry about it.. i don’t want that crap even if they were the ones paying me.

    • Anon

      VPNs will turn over you’re info in a heartbeat. One lawsuit and their entire business is gone.

      We don’t need VPNs, we need revolution!

      • Trespass

        “VPNs will turn over you’re info in a heartbeat.”

        Depends on the VPN. The one I subscribe to sent me an email saying they got a message from HBO about me downloading one of their shows. They told me that my service (VPN) was temporarily cut off and when I deleted the show from my computer, to contact them and they would reinstate me.

        I denied the allegation and they hooked me back up. Took 10 minutes. Never went any farther. I have since been more careful and developed a multilayer security system.

        ISP’s won’t check you out just because you are using a VPN, even if they do, they can’t tell how you are using it.

        • Pasttense

          I don’t understand: exactly how did HBO know you were downloading the show?

          Could someone explain?

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          “I don’t understand: exactly how did HBO know you were downloading the show?”

          By adding themselves to a p2p peer group and monitoring the requests of file packets verified by the suitable torrent file. That would give them the VPN number.

          Also, if you were using ipv6 odds are you were leaking data outside the encrypted tunnel which is a known weakness…so always turn off the ipv6 protocol unless you know your VPN protocol supports it.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        No, for several reasons. Most businesses use VPN’s and use them to transmit highly sensitive corporate information. So do many government agencies.

        Thus, if you try to make a law which mandates that VPN’s keep logs of transmitted data or users then you’ve suddenly added BP, Exxon-Mobil, Shell, General Motors, most of the banking industry as well as Microsoft and Apple to the counterlobby.

        Even the MPAA/RIAA isn’t that daft.

    • I explain to you

      Just use a VPN that doesn’t keep logs.

  • Guest

    This is fucking bullshit..
    wheres the right to free internet? in USA its bullshit i guess,
    I pay 50 dollars a month for fast service from comcast and
    what i do is my damn business were sharing files not committing crimes
    MPAA&RIAA aka little power people?
    go clear the streets of criminals and pedophiles! that’s what you need
    to worry about not what people download. fucking ridiculous when i read this.Watch how many people will cut off there internet and move elsewhere 70+% traffic is bittorrent
    so when we go down so will the revenue of the companies bullshit. You got illegal immigrants and drugs coming in like jokes everyday and they want to spend money and fuck with users internet get the hell out of here with that shit, go do useful something. I swear this is complete madness. Even if it’s successful no gives a shit.
    VPN and cyberlockers still:D

    • Guest

      They use pedophiles excuse to track you in the internet.

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  • Mike

    Looks like they are all going soft seems being mean was not working…the problem is they are going to create a huge market for VPN’s and Proxy’s (but stock in those companies NOW)…not to mention boost the other forms of downloading. It is kinda like dog shit on a side walk you can either walk into it or walk around it.

  • Guest

    Lulzsec and others please go and fuck them up they deserve it.

    • Big difference!

      i was thinking the same thing, why the hacker in the world don’t attack them. They are pushing the censorship in the first place. Anonymous?

    • Anonymous

      That is if Lulzsec is still in business when last I heard is that they had quit. Their attacks were chaotic and for the lulz and the International police have been making more than a few arrests.

      Anonymous has at least been more well aimed and political.

      I think they both need do more to protect the people who join them like in keeping their Low Orbit Ion Cannon (LOIC) on an encrypted portable memory stick. Hiding their IP would also help.

  • Anon

    Full Boycott. We need an ISP; our ISP.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      We do indeed NEED a new system where freedom is more valuable and treasured than profits.

      Howz about a new PBayISP where a VPN and multiple proxies are compulsory (and financed by need rather than greed).

      Or is that what darknets are for? I dunno – genuinely :o

  • Geyterbaf

    no more downloading? ill get dial up service like aol or netzero. cause all everything ill need to do i can do from dial up

  • Lulz

    I want to become a reviewer so that I can spoof every IP address space on tons of torrents and make a killing by reviewing tons and tons of accounts.

    Independent Review: Before a Mitigation Measure is imposed, an Internet subscriber may request independent review to invalidate the alert and avoid any Mitigation Measure on the basis that the online activity in question is lawful or that the subscriber’s account was identified in error. To request an independent review and avoid spurious claims, there is a $35 filing fee, which is waivable by the independent reviewer. This is a non-exclusive alternative, and subscribers retain the right to challenge any action in a court of law. The independent reviewer will have access to expert advice on copyright law.

    • Lulz

      I will also be challenging every action in court. As should everyone, I forsee them being DDoS’d in court hearings.

  • Ping Pong

    I switched to Newsgroups a few years ago – never looked back into BT. You SSL into their news servers and download at your fastest rate that you signed up with ISP.

    • Susan

      newsgroups are not anonamous, wel some arn’t. Read about the newsgroups bust.

      • Rekrul

        newsgroups are not anonamous, wel some arn’t. Read about the newsgroups bust.

        You’ve got a few facts mixed up. First, the “newsgroups bust” was a web site that posted pointers to where to find various things on the newsgroups. They were said to be encouraging copyright infringement.

        Second, DOWNLOADING from newsgroups is as anonymous as downloading from cyberlocker sites. No third party can monitor what you’re doing. If you POST something to the newsgroups, you can be tracked, but not if you only download. Most good newsgroup providers don’t keep logs of what you download, only how much. Even if the MPAA/RIAA were to get a court order for their logs, there would be no proof of what you’ve downloaded.

        • Strobble

          Usenet is also protected because they of all the educational and corporate systems that use it.

    • Guest

      I hear Astraweb is good.

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  • Eftertanke

    What the hell is this bullshit? What do the ISPs get out of this, some cash?

  • Haxor

    i’m sure most of you have enough stuff for the summer and maybe not the fall right , if a few million of these jerk isps users just said screw you then the hit would really harm them and cause MASSIVE damage to an already fragile US economy….and dont spend that money you dont spend on the isp put it away out of the economy as a penalty…and then smirk that your part of the revolution to economically fight these terrorists called the mpaa and riaa.

    YOU ALL KNOW I AM RIGHT

    • Strobble

      I already boycott most things and shop very little. But my ISP is awesome and cheap. I protect myself when DL torrents. What else can a retired geek asked for.

  • Haxor

    oh and just what are the mpaa and riaa worried about for downloading its all crap and i mean that….i think in last 6 months ive grabbed ONE movie….OH MY AWFUL of me and it too sucked shit.

    GO punch out an actor or musician and maybe after a few base ball batted actors start complaining of the beatings they are getting things will change. IF ya cant pay all the damages and fines ya goto jail anyhow right ? MIGHT as well get satisfaction of beaitng the tar out of a few of THEM on way in.

    • Strobble

      I like DL’ing the older stuff like the matrix, blade, die hard, on and on… If they name you in a copyright lawsuit, you need to file a few motions to get the thing dismissed and that doesn’t work, let them sue, then go bankrupt and be sure to include that house that is upside down.

  • Haxor

    OH ya and if were the majority inside that measn in canada actors and musicians will have to crack for protected custody and sit with rapists and pedophiles if they are ever inside a jail in canada….doesn’t that make ya wonder whom hollywood is really protecting.

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  • Username1

    I download what I want anytime I want and ain’t nothing changing.
    I’ve never had a problem getting what I want since forever.

    And they have been fighting for a long time now.
    I always read about them fighting and even getting a victory in some cases, yet in reality ,
    it has never affected my ability to use the internet as freely as I want to.

    I have NEVER used itunes or netflix or steam , but somehow , I get what I need from the internet
    every time for as long as I can remember.
    How is this possible ? If the RIAA and it’s partner companies
    are successfully controlling the internet , how is it that I don’t seem to notice in real day to day internet use ?

    They’ve been fighting for a really long time now , and I still can’t tell.

    My imagination has the RIAA and it’s partner companies ,as a little midget being held by the head by a giant,
    as they swing their arms in frustration trying to fight.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      I’m all for freedom of midgets – but not to such an extent where they’re allowed to rape my wallet, my bank account, or force themselves into the panties of my ISP to do as they wish on our intimate content (or juicy bits).

    • Razza

      Damn straight. No matter what they do, they can’t get us to pay. The internet will be free; they know it, we know it, and if they ever want money for any of this culture ever again, they can go screw themselves.

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    Ares? The one that tells you you have to buy the “full” version to download? Thanks but no thanks.

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  • silly rabbit

    Will using the hide my a$$ website keep us hidden?

  • Guest

    Welcome to the new world! AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner Cable and Verizon… meaning the only access we American’s get for Internet…

    Welcome to 1984.

    • Strobble

      I use Wideopenwest in the Detroit area, very good ISP.

  • Mainframe Xaiver

    The MPAA should learn these words

    “I Shall not Tell Lies”

  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    There’s going to be a lot of people getting warnings. Millions of people file-share in the US alone, and if I didn’t check this site regularly I wouldn’t know what’s going on on the file-sharing front, so most of those people are unaware of what the White House has done.

    The funny thing is that most people who are slowed will probably just dump their contract with that ISP and hire someone else. I hope these ISP’s lose a lot of money.

  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    When does this go into effect? Immediately?

    • Anonymous

      From what I read here and in a few other places, it appears this is going into effect immediately.

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        Thank you :)

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        Thank you :)

  • Mainframe Xaiver

    COnsidring how your not entitled to privacy and your guitly with our proof.

    Im using my seedbox to set up an encrypted email server, Encrypted Xmpp chat server and VPN for myself and my friends. all in a package that costs 5-10 bucks a month

  • gae

    Slow down my connection = I switch isp.
    You think I would pay full price for a reduced service?

  • http://twitter.com/JackethRawreth Jack Dyson

    My ISP in the UK, Virgin Media, have been rumoured to send out notices to those who infringe copyright – however last week I downloaded over 500GB of Data and uploaded over 1.5TB of Data… did they contact me?

    No.

    If however your ISP are doing their job, then you could ofcorse make a counter-claim suggesting that they are violating your privacy by looking through your history; listed pages & downloads e.t.c

  • Reagancon316

    and you guys thought that Obama would bring hopeychangey, eh?? This guy is a commie Marxist president who hates freedom.

    • Anonymous

      Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, and the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate.

      In Marxist theory, communism is a specific stage of historical development that inevitably emerges from the development of the productive forces that leads to a superabundance of material wealth, allowing for distribution based on need and social relations based on freely-associated individuals

      Marxism is an economic and socio-political worldview and method of socioeconomic inquiry that centers upon a materialist interpretation of history, a dialectical view of social change, and a critique of capitalism.

      I didn’t vote for Obama or the other guy who ran against him. But I’m also not throwing around words like “Commie” or “Marxist” because I know what they actually mean. I see though you have “Reagan” in your name. Which makes you a Republican. Why not just tell the truth? You hate Obama because he’s the first African American president. Show your true colors. Don’t be ashamed of who you are. But throwing around the words you do makes you look like an idiot, especially when it’s easy to see that they don’t apply at all to Obama. Also, really? You’re throwing the “hope and change” comment around too? [sighs and shakes head, not in disappointment, but at your lack of originality]

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

        To disagree a little, Bush Jr isn’t the original hater of freedom. The policies, ironically started with Reagan (Iran contraband) and have been continuing onwards ever since. Clinton has his black marks just like any other president. I sincerely want to believe that Obama wants to change the country but can’t because of bureaucratic red tape that he’s embarrassed about but it doesn’t excuse his administration from all they’re doing.

        No, none of our most recent presidents are as corrupt as Coolidge, but there’s no point in blaming just one president for everything, be they Democrat or Republican. We need more diverse opinions in office. That’s the main issue that we should address not what sociopolitical class they are a part of.

        • Anonymous

          Oh, I get you and you are correct. But I was just trying to emphasize a point using a recent example, which “Reagan” up above might be familiar with. I too think Obama really would like to change this country, but as you said, there’s lots of red tape. And I’m not making excuses or saying there should be any made, but for people like Reagan up above to point at all the problems we’re currently facing and blame them strictly on Obama kind of gets on my nerves. We did it their way for awhile, now we got a new guy in office, let’s give him a chance to make an effort. Some people seem to think that if you’re President you automatically get a magical switch that you can flip and any problems we, as a country, are facing get instantly corrected. And that’s just not the case.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          @electric_worry
          The problem is, for copyright, he’s made the problem 10x worse than Bush did. Bush had a laissez-faire sort of deal with copyright law. Obama hired 5 RIAA lawyers, gave Biden full reign to go nuts, and filled the copyright czar position with Espinel. By the very standards of the position she *has* to report to the movie and music industry about how to enforce copyright law, something even Bush Jr wasn’t willing to do. If Obama could change anything, he should start very soon because all of these mistakes are starting to catch up to him.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Hardly. Obama has changed so damned little from Bush Jr.’s time in office that I could rightly call him Bush Take II on most things.

  • Infringing Printers

    The main question is if the Copyright Cops will ever start verifying IP addresses before making an accusation — rather than their usual practice of fingering all IPs harvested from a tracker, whether valid or not.

  • Not459349

    I want to know why a falsely accused person must pay $35 just to file a complaint, but the party flooding ISPs with false accusations suffers no penalty whatsoever.

    These accusations are never even verified by a human, and often a simple key-word match is all that’s needed for a programmed bot to spam automated complaints around the world and falsely accuse thousands upon thousands of victims..

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  • FUckyou

    can someone tell me what cyberlockers are?

    • silly rabbit

      I think it’s sites like megaupload and mediafire, etc. (But I’m not sure.)

  • MrGz0r

    dam i think this only coverd torrrents..

  • Fantastic

    This sounds a lot like the system the lawyers have been using for the last few years (system that is now starting to collapse on them BTW) likely the same or similar legal challenges could be raised in this case.

  • MrGz0r

    It’s really all about the money, you can pass any law you want if you got the right amount of money and know they right people.

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  • http://vpnandusenetreviews.com Anonymous

    I would go with a VPN over a proxy, any day of the week. Even a minimal $/mo on a VPN (say <$10/mo) will get you choice of servers, countries, high speeds, and reliability. Your ISP won't see anything, and even if you were something as open as Limewire or Kazaa (hehe) you would be fine.

    To the poster above who said they got a letter from their VPN after the VPN was contacted by HBO, my guess is you bought from somebody domestic in the US, but still nice to see they reinstated you. The other thing there, if I might add, is that you must have had a static IP assigned to you. Most VPN's do not do static IP anymore, they do dynamic, and give that same IP to a multitude of customers. So how would HBO know who was on that P2P network? All they get is a shared IP address that traces back to a VPN service that gave the VPN to a dozen different people.

    Morale of the story – get a good VPN provider, and get a dynamic/shared IP, not a static IP.

    http://vpnandusenetreviews.com/shared-ip-vs-dedicated-ip

    Consider this: big VPN providers like HideMyAss offer all of the above and even have customers in "banned" countries like Ghana, South Africa, and Nigeria. Do you really think they are going to respond to some letter from HBO? Highly doubtful. $11.52/mo

    http://vpnandusenetreviews.com/vpn/hidemyass

    Then you also have services that 100% offshore, or based in countries with no logging policies, like VPNTunnel.SE. As long as you stay on their swedish servers, and run a swedish IP, 100% no logging. 5 Euros a month.

    http://vpnandusenetreviews.com/vpn/vpntunnelse

  • AdolfNinja

    So, at least the the eyes of teens, music sales are in the decline because of 1. competitive forms of entertainment (youtube for example), 2. no need to buy the music (again, youtube, streaming services, radio, internet radio, no interest in burning CDs for listening to), and 3. the number of good songs isn’t there to provide the revenue growth the music industry wants (i.e. gay shit like Lady Caca).

    Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20078411-261/riaas-sales-numbers-a-closer-look/#ixzz1RpfmBtn3

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  • Needlez

    Ok, so what I wanna know is does AT&T really have the power to track everything I’m doing. And if they do, cuz I’m sure they do. Are they really going to? Seriously, also if I use a plugin like stealthy to conceal my IP are they able to reverse it to obtain what site I go to. And is there a way to encrypt my IP over transmission ( bittorrent client) ?. These are just some questions I really would like answered, I mean I’m still downloading and haven’t gotten anything and my provider is AT&T, and I will download in the open til the day they send me a letter, after that, hello, freenet/darknet, vpns, proxies, and all other circumvention tactics. anyone with answers to my questions feel free to IM me directly on my AOL or Yahoo. needlez6.

  • Needlez

    Ok, so what I wanna know is does AT&T really have the power to track everything I’m doing. And if they do, cuz I’m sure they do. Are they really going to? Seriously, also if I use a plugin like stealthy to conceal my IP are they able to reverse it to obtain what site I go to. And is there a way to encrypt my IP over transmission ( bittorrent client) ?. These are just some questions I really would like answered, I mean I’m still downloading and haven’t gotten anything and my provider is AT&T, and I will download in the open til the day they send me a letter, after that, hello, freenet/darknet, vpns, proxies, and all other circumvention tactics. anyone with answers to my questions feel free to IM me directly on my AOL or Yahoo. needlez6.

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