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MPAA Threatens World’s Premier Usenet Indexer

Newzbin, considered by many to be the internet’s premier indexer and .nzb provider, is under legal threat from the MPAA. The site, which was the creator of Usenet’s answer to the .torrent file, will likely have to undergo significant changes in order to appease the movie studios.

Newzbin is one of the original Usenet indexing sites and creators of the NZB“>.NZB format. In a very general way, .NZB files might be considered Usenet’s equivalent of .torrent files. They make the otherwise-complicated Usenet a breeze to use. Downloading from Usenet with Newzbin is easy, and together with a good news provider, very quick.

The increased popularity of services such as Newzbin didn’t go unnoticed with the MPAA. On 22nd May 2008, administrator ‘Caesium’ made an announcement:

Newzbin has today received a letter from the Motion Picture Association (MPA). In the letter, they claim that some editors may be reporting material from Usenet that is infringing the copyright of their members.

While these claims have not been substantiated, it should be noted that Newzbin does not condone the distribution or indexing of such materials. We will immediately act to remove any items that are found to be infringing copyright.

Please take a moment to refer to our Terms and Conditions, in particular sections 4 and 4.2.

Please note that we may revoke privileges, or ban accounts, of users found to be violating these Terms and Conditions.

Since this announcement, worried Newzbin users have contacted TorrentFreak to see if we could find out exactly what had been going on. Understandably, Newzbin didn’t want to tell us much.

However, if one looks closely at the announcement, it doesn’t tell us anything that we didn’t already know. The terms and conditions have been in place since 2007, there doesn’t appear to be anything new in those.

Of course Newzbin doesn’t condone the indexing of copyright works. How can it? It is a proper company that charges users for access, not an underground operation hiding in the shadows. It appears to comply fully with the laws in the UK, where the service is based. Newzbin also say they will remove anything that infringes copyright. NZB files do not, so at that point they probably believed they would have little work to do.

But the MPAA isn’t known for letting the law stand in the way of a good threat, threats which have closed several US-based NZB sites in the past such as NZB-Zone and forced others to adjust the way they operate. Newzbin has not been sued, we can confirm that, but it will have to change the way it operates too, if it is to comply with the movie industry demands.

Caesium is hinting at possible changes to the site in the future. It’s a possibility that all .NZB related reports will have to be removed. An alternative to appease the MPAA would be to remove only the posts related to movies and TV shows, an arrangement favored by BinNews.com when faced with the same legal threats.

At this point it is far from clear what measures Newzbin will be finally forced to take to stop the threat of legal action turning into an actual lawsuit. Newzbin appear to be being as upfront as they can at this point and are suggesting that if users only use the site for .NZB files, then they should consider not renewing their subscription. For those who aren’t scared of making their own .NZBs ‘BinSearch’-style, the site will still be of great use, even if the most draconian measures are taken.

BinSearch provides Usenet indexing with a do-it-yourself .NZB creator. Anyone who knows the full scene release name of the material they seek will adjust to it in a few minutes, but it’s no Newzbin. For the uninformed, the learning curve is steep.

Newzbin has a secret weapon which has made it so attractive. ‘Editors‘ are essentially human beings who make reports which link to specific content on Usenet. Newzbin can then generate a .NZB file, based on the report. Anyone with an NZB capable news reader, like Grabit, can use them. It seems that it’s this human intervention with the creation of reports which poses the legal headache.

Newzbin is considering that it may have to fully automate its operations in order to be totally sure of staying the friendly side of the law – no more human intervention, no more ‘editor’ named reports. No more easily browsable pre-determined categories. A simple Usenet search engine would likely attract little attention and would be entirely legal, as confirmed by Caesium: “…we’re pretty sure nobody is going to tell us that having an automated searchable index of the entire contents of Usenet is going to cause any problems.”

But why would anyone bother using a degraded Newzbin over, say, the very useful (but limited) ‘BinSearch’? After all, there would be presumably little to separate them, feature-wise.

The plan is to introduce a feature where Newzbin users can tag. This way the site can provide an entirely legal automated index – no Newzbin staff involved – with only the users adding the tags. It sounds like a great solution and may even prove just as workable longer term.

They say every cloud has a silver lining and for Newzbin, that might come in the form of a greatly increased userbase. Newzbin is currently a subscription service but the changes may well turn it into a free site, which effectively opens it up to everyone rather than just its current paying userbase. That’s a hell of a lot of tags. Thankfully there will likely be a ratings system, to ensure quality tagging.

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  • Cakes

    Who will they go after next… hopefully themselves.

  • Mr.Afghanistan

    Usenet or Newzbin
    Both Sucks, they are pay 2 leech.

    I never paid for them and i will never get an account with them.

    I am fine with Mininova & Thepiratebay :)))

  • Tom

    #2 you are a moron

  • Anonymous

    i use bittorrent im not enough of a “moron” to pay for pirated material

  • Edwin

    Go-Go MPAA sue Google, Yahoo! and other search engines! I`d really like to see that.

  • Anonymous

    We haven’t fought back hard enough. Why sit here and do nothing? It is obvious that MPAA is the monstrous one who will let nothing stop it, except for force. We must not let these bastards live: it would be best to bomb those sorry bastards until they regret it.

  • Anonymous

    @1
    Do you really think that sitting here and “hoping” will actually solve anything? It has been time for action for years already, and these bastards do not deserve life.

  • TD123

    QFT @ #3

  • yeesh

    OMG THE SKY IS FALLING TORRENTFREAK SAID NEWZBIN IS DOOMED.

    oh no, hang on. it’s all just speculation based on a letter.

    “hinting”… “may”… “if”… “possibility”… how many modifiers can you git into one post?

  • Ava BT cLient and Ima gonna usitt

    ” 4 May 28, 2008 at 20:52 by Anonymous

    i use bittorrent im not enough of a “moron” to pay for pirated material

    lol… indeed.

  • Killer Tree

    So the only real difference between legal and illegal is admin input vs user input? Why not then just make a tiered user system like on message boards and those at the top get admin-like qualities?

  • Anonymous

    I use usenet over torrents because in now way shape or form can the MAFIAA’s know If I am d/ling anything that may be infringing.My provider keeps no logs. If for some reason the MAFIAA’s got an account list I could say I was just d/ling text based newsgroups. No need to deal with ratio’s or seeds. Best thing I have done with my $$ yet. You guys bent on just using bittorrent are fools!

  • YearZiro

    To all the cheap people who whined about paying for newgroup access for the speed the level of security it is well worth it and i take it you guys are the same people who dont donate to any of the trackers you download from and the minute the MPAA,RIAA or who ever goes after them and shuts them down you will be the same guys whining where did they go thats where i got everything

  • Ezzy Elliott

    Usenet is often put forward as the safest way to download. It is safe because it is leaching.

    If you want 100% safe p2p then there’s Dargens p2p that is anonymous, you can invite friends, display your own google ads and is web based http:/www.Dargens.com .

    I think by going after newsbins the MPAA is just giving them free advetising.

  • Anonymous

    @13

    – Well put.

  • Dave_Rave

    Newzbin has been in decline for ages.

    Use merlins-portal.net or nzbmatrix.com instead.

    Free registration, no subscription fees with just as many NZBs.

  • Anonymous

    @9
    Does this exonerate the MPAA? I don’t think so.

  • Kommando

    Those claiming paying for downloading stuff is retarded, youre the retard, keep going at your 200k/s speed while us on Usenet goes at the maximum speed our connection can go (steady 1.14mb/sec in my case)

    Theres also nzbsrus.com if you need a good NZB site

  • Anonymous Too

    Portals are for n00bs, get yourself a ‘proper’ client.

  • Anonymous

    @9

    It is still of the nature of MPAA to do something like this.

  • As….

    As Darwin put it…evolve or die…and that’s probably what’ll happen.

  • Anonymous

    newzbin will be dead soon

  • Anonymous

    The mpaa will now just file a lawsuit because it is clear that Caesium has no balls just shut the site down now!!!!!!!!!!

  • Pissed off American

    Also today in stupid copyright enforcement:

    http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=208400683

    Belgian newspapers sue Google for linking to their pages on Google News. Apparently they don’t like free promotion!

  • Yinchie

    Thumbs up for YearZiro (#13)

    <3 usenet, always my max download speed of 2.8-3 MB/sec with no queues and ratios and stuff :)

  • Yinchie

    Forgot to mention, I even donate to private trackers.

    The world would be much better without all the greedy people who think they should get things for free, leeching from others effort providing the materials for you.

  • Phuc U

    Usenet was around long before any of this bullshit p2p or torrents were even a thought. And it will be around long after those 2 unsecure methods are gone.

  • Johnny Blaze

    And you think you live in a free world. Sick. The media is bought and sold. Many politicians and most of the leadership is bought and sold. Many rights and freedoms you have are bought and sold. The rest of your rights and freedoms, they are working on buying/selling.

    The internet is the last vestige of legalized freedom in many, many places, and although even the internet has been making compromises for the past n years, Usenet is virgin. Some would say the last virgin:)

    When your product is immaterial, you are paid for your time, not your product. Information is immaterial. It was paid for during creation. Leave Usenet alone – leave p2p alone!

    “Mommy, make them stop!”

  • Anonymous

    To all those whinging about how newsgroups and whatever ur talking about is better than BT, we who use BT are quite happy with it. I am on the slowest speed, and yet I have far more than I ever wanted, and it’s always a struggle to know what to do next. I don’t need super fast speed, and neither is it affordable in this country. You can keep ur cryptic methods of paying to leech. Who needs to download an enormous bloated movie file in some weird format when u can get it at 700 Mb in top quality compression, or hire & copy. So much simpler and cheaper.
    I already have more than enough movies and most of them I don’t want to watch again, and there’s so few good new ones.

    If ur in the piracy game maybe u need something more than BT, otherwise I don’t see the point. Plus u have to pay someone to get it. How dumb is that? It’s like some BT trackers charging per torrent or becoming subscription based, which is what UseNext does isn’t it? Why? Privacy value? Why should anyone have to pay for that? I never would.

  • TyingLOL_CausesCancer

    What we should do is have an organization see up an account that would buy us a group of lawyers against this shit. If every torrent user donated a dollar, MPAA couldn’t fight back with that much money being funneled in.

  • Anonymous

    “keep going at your 200k/s speed while us on Usenet goes at the maximum speed our connection can go (steady 1.14mb/sec in my case)”

    I’d be very happy with 200k/s but I couldn’t possibly take full advantage of it. What the hell could u possibly use a constant 1 mb/sec for?

    So u can download a movie in 5 mins and then have it sit idle for an hour till u can think of something else?

  • MasDira5

    @27 [Johnny Blaze]

    Okay, nobody cares!

    BUt about you don’t have to pay for “immaterial” goods (I’m going to assume you still think people should still pay for “immaterial” services);

    Have ever needed “something” custom from a “friend”? Did you pay him for it? Obviously, or he wouldn’t have given it to you – he wrote it, you can’t steal it from somewhere else.

    But think about it; is it so wrong for him to later sell that custom piece to other people, at 100% profit? Idk about how “moral” it is, but seriously, its up to him.

    Same with movies & stuff; if he didn’t get paid for the thing at first (think of him as an “investor”), and once he’s made it nobody pays him (‘cuz they can just steal it), how is this guy gonna get paid for his rokhard work?!?

    You gotta have some balance, man.

  • Mr. Roboto

    I just took a look at their site and read on the front page
    “Newzbin has today received a letter from the Motion Picture Association (MPA).
    In the letter, they claim that some editors may be reporting material from Usenet that is infringing the copyright of their members.
    While these claims have not been substantiated, it should be noted that Newzbin does not condone the distribution or indexing of such materials. We will immediately act to remove any items that are found to be infringing copyright.”
    Bullshit they know what they’re posting because one quick look at their site and you can see 99.9% is copyrighted material.

  • Anonymous

    @29 That’s the problem. They are organized whereas we are not. As u say, we ought to have organized groups all connected to one another and in agreement

  • Anonymous

    hahahahaa!, i want to see more fanboys talk about “”invulnerability”" of usenet against the evil puppets of the america’ corporations aka MPAA

  • Anonymous

    @33
    There should be a U.S. non-profit organization set up for this purpose.

  • Anonymous

    In order to get us organized, we need to form a non-profit organization.

    But in order to do that, we must have a sufficient number of supportive people and also for it to be open to everyone who would like to see it formed.

    The plan to set up such an organization would have to be the collective effort of correspondences in deciding who should serve as board members, and other such things.

  • Potato

    I hate UseNet
    but I hate MPAA more so …

  • Rekrul

    Binsearch is “limited”? If it was posted to a newsgroup, I’ve never had any problem finding it with Binsearch or Newzleech.

  • Anonymous

    What’s the plan?

    The idea is for the people to be members of an organization so that the resources could be used for lawyers to defend?

    So how are we going to do this?

    Are we going to collect a list of volunteers?

  • Tard SPNAKer!

    Mr. Roboto – you’re a clueless cunt. Newzbin _indexes_ Usenet posts into NZBs (like a .torrent file).

    There’s _no_ copyright material in metadata – either .nzb _or_ .torrent. The problem AFAICT is when an NFO on the site contains links to wares, which has _always_ been prohibited on Newzbin (ex ed. here…)

    And for the other fapping fool who can’t differentiate between Usenet & UseneXt, you’re an even more clueless cunt…

    Like the guy said, Usenet was around before _any_ P2P app, & will _still_ be around when BT is a smoking crater…

  • Strontium Dog

    GrabIt sucks hard – get NOMP+ instead… =]

  • Anonymous

    People, people, are we going to volunteer our time to the establishment of an organizational body for the purposes of liberty and justice?

    For if we shall, then we best start here.

  • Anonymous

    @ 28

    I don’t think you even have a clue as to what the benefits of usenet are and what usenet has to offer. Your 700 mb files are on usenet in surplus….

    @ 34

    whats your issue with usenet? can’t afford the 10-20 bucks a month? you think there are more vulnerabilities than BT? lame….

  • Yatti

    So is this Usenet crud more secure then BT or no?

  • Xplicit

    You can max your speed out on private torrent trackers as well. I do on my 20mb/s connection. It’s not hard. Just you people don’t know how to use torrents. You say they’re unsafe, Then could be safe with peerguardian2 installed and or/proxies for public torrents. Etc.

    I will “NEVER” pay for services to download pirated shit. (i.e.) Usenet etc.

    Sure, Call me a moron for using a free service to download illegal shit. Call me an idiot for using torrents. You’re the one thats a retard who doesn’t know how to protect their connection using torrents and max their speed like anyone else can with a brain.

    /rant

  • http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com Ben Jones

    There are plenty of NPO’s in the US alone. SFC, EFF, FSF etc. A lot are limited by what what they can do, and what they want to be involved in.

    There is also an expert witness fund, but it’s ‘managed’ by a lawyer, so expect a lot of fees invovled if it ever gets used.

    Support the orgs that are already out there though. free culture groups, open source groups, privacy groups, and even political parties.

    Wouldn’t even need money for a lot of those groups – an hour a week of work, or even just two a month, would make a world of difference to many.

  • The Light

    The end game for the MPAA is taking down Al Gore. Slapping a lawsuit against the man who invented the internet should solve everything. Or maybe they should sue themselves for initiating crimes by developing the goods to be copied.

  • UsenetAddict

    For those who are so proud not to pay for Usenet access or Newzbin access. Let them enjoy their self-righteousness while those in the know continue what we do with our heads down. It was a badly kept “secret” for years and years and now word is getting out.

    I for one am happy to be a “moron” who pays for these services and I am happy for all those who choose not to. You would most definitely help in ruining it for us “morons”.

    Thanks!

  • UsenetAddict2

    Usenet is legally and technically more sound than p2p. Its an automated part of the net and like a xerox machine can be used for copyright violations. Legal cases have already stated its not based on infringement and is only temporary not stored hence exempt from most legal challenges.

    Now newzbin could be challenged as a website but its not remotely vital for the existence of USENET or the community.

    For all those who refuse to pay for binary dont you pay for a ISP?

  • TehStalker

    - THE GUYS AT ANTI-PIRACY GANGS DESERVES DEATH! -

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  • Sir Ronald Damsey

    I use ‘usenet’ and I do not pay for downloading binaries. I get my FREE downloads sometimes hours before they reach BT sites,maybe that is because the primary source of BT files are taken from Usenet.

  • EKS

    @52

    The primary source of BT files isn’t Usenet – it’s private FTPs.

  • old man

    Why are so many torrent-types convinced Usenet’s limited to some-stupid-indexing-site.com? It’s like saying that Pirate Bay’s the only torrent tracker or that dumbasses-on-parade.com is the only web forum. Usenet does both you know..

    I don’t use nzb’s and never really have. It’s not like there’s much going on in Usenet anymore, there’re only a few dozen active groups, the rest are just spam accumulators. Decent readers can also do their own header searches.

  • thoouth

    Been using Usenet for FREE for the last 6 weeks. Sure, my ISP only gives me 7 days retention but thats enough to be able to dl the latest Lost (or what have you) episode as they are released online. Takes about 30 min top (with a 2Mb line), perfect quality .avi file and best thing is I don’t have to take the risk of ul it myself to complete strangers (some of whom are probably anti-pirate agents).

    Also, wtf about newzbin being a piad for service? They give 20 days retention for free (which is obviously more than I can use given the relatively poor but sufficient 7 days provided by my isp).

    Anyways, point is, you don’t *have* to pay for usenet although I can imagine that 200 days retention would open up a whole world of movies, tv shows and music. Whatever, I get my weekly serial fix which is good enough for me.

  • mz

    Having posted yesterday complaining about the objectivity of an article, today I have nothing but praise. This is what a serious news site should be like.

  • Anonymous

    stick to torrents usenet is nothing. stop posting stories about usenet.

  • Anonymous

    @57 You do realize MOST of the stuff that ends up on BT trackers came from usenet and irc first right? BT is nice, but private trackers require too much trust and organization to be useful or safe.

    I pay my ISP for internet and i get decent usenet access with it. I don’t pay for extra usenet access because I’ve found no reason to.

    Btw, NZBs.org has a great indexed list of stuff and a really slick and simple website.

  • Dan Glickman Will Be My Bitch!

    They could automate.

    Or-r-r…..People that decide to start trackers or NZB sites can grow a damn backbone and just tell the MPAA to fuck off.

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  • AnarchyNow

    Another bunch of hypocrite cowards, Instead they should say “fuck off” and be proud to index movies & the rest

  • anon

    i’d much rather pay a measley $10 a month and be able to leech at my full bandwidth ALL THE TIME, not have to worry about seeding, not have to worry about silly ratios, not have to worry about getting caught, etc etc.

    not to mention scene releases pop up on usenet minutes after they are pre’d.

    but by all means torrent noobs, stay on your ‘awesome private trackers’ for all i care.

  • Caesium

    @59 and @60 and the rest of you saying the same thing.

    FYI, we did exactly that when we mailed them back.

    The problem is, you can’t tell a court and a judge to fuck off. That gets
    you thrown in jail. If this goes to court, and we lose, would you rather:

    a) shut down cos we have no alternative system
    b) carry on, in a somewhat reduced capacity, with the alternative system
    currently being developed.

    Newzbin haters need not answer the question.

  • kuenc

    I think the work Caesium is doing to keep the site up and running is amazing. If any of you clueless n00bs had the brains to run a site like newzbin, you would understand that this is the only option.

  • fatfecker

    agreed with 61+63

    But lets not turn this into a Torrent Vs Usenet debate.

    Come play on the Newzbin TF2 server and lets settle the Torrent Vs Usenet argument once and for all

    85.158.42.141:27015

  • pfft

    I hope this is an empty threat, Newzbin is a truly amazing site. I would also doubt there any sort of legal precedent in the UK for this (NZB files?) which will only add to the Admins nervousness about taking the MPAA on.

    The best advice I can give is get legal advice and keep yourselves out of trouble, keep the service alive if you can but don’t end up in jail because of it.

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  • Anonymous

    “SFC, EFF, FSF”

    EFF is no good, they only care about “copyright abuses.”
    FSF is also no good: limited to software.
    SFC — what the hell is SFC? Sexual freedom coalition?

    “There are plenty of NPO’s in the US alone.”

    This is laughable. There is not a single advocacy-legal group in favor of file-sharing as a whole.

  • jse

    most isp’s offer usenet binary access for free. the service is generally poor though so most people subscribe to a premium newshost like giganews or newshosting and these newshosts also offer free trials before you sign up

    also with usenet we have ssl that works unlike bit torrent which sends unencrypted packets if the clients you connect to dont have ssl enabled

    we also get to max out our connections. 2.5mb/s down on my end

    http://newzleech.com/ for free usenet seaching nzb creation and also user submitted nzb’s pretty much identicle to what newzbin offers now

    enjoy your slow bit torrent with repacked and extracted releases and we will enjoy full speeds, safety and access to pretty much all release’s for only $10/month

  • zarathustra

    lol @ fatfecker – see you there, chubs… =]

  • Anonymous

    @57 – your a moron
    nuff said

  • SpunkWang

    Can we stop digging articles… otherwise we’ll get a MASSIVE influx of newfags..

    Look what has happened to the (open) p2p/torrent scene…

    Usenet is still used (mostly) only by people who know what they are doing.

    I have only seen one or two comments on IRC/websites saying “OH LOL HOW DO I DOWNLOADED FILE FROM THIS?”

    ..

  • SpunkWang

    Also.. It was the MPA, not the MPAA

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  • NexGen

    @69 – Once an organization such as the MPAA has decided to start advertising & promoting Usenet on behalf of its members, there isn’t much anyone can do to stop it.

    Of course the truth, according to the first rule of Usenet, is that Usenet is extremely expensive, 100% leechers – nobody *ever* posts anything, way too complex (it is 25 years old of course), it never works, it smells of fish, and is imaginary anyway. P2P and sneakernet are much much better.

    See, it’s all an evil plan.

  • John Thomas

    I think to show our respect EVERYONE needs to go download Morpheus or Lime Wire and get some free music and warez! LOL

    JT
    http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com

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  • zarathustra

    All you BTers are right – just leave Usenet to us ‘cl00less nubs’.

    Nothing to see here – just move along, folks…

  • Anonymous

    @all high horse p2p users:
    Consider this: most of your 0day/apps/movies/games/mp3 scene releases from from pay to leech topsites.

    Where is your God now?

  • Anonymous

    ssssh dont talk about usenet let them have their bittorrent crap

  • oh_hai

    62 + 63 are spot on. Anyone who knows anything about usenet knows that Newzbin is hands down by far the best and most professional site for indexing Usenet and if an alternative has to be put in place, its for a pretty damn good reason.

  • Erol

    I really can’t understand anyone who would use usenet at all.

    It’s so weird, and akwardly-setup from the sounds of it, and YOU HAVE TO PAY like $20/month? I’ve already paid for my awesome internet plan, I thought that would be enough to have access to great file-sharing, and it is. Private trackers and good torrent sites are all I need, thanks.

  • Anonymous

    These comments are even more retarded than is usually expected. What are you doing on a site name TORRENTfreak if you consider Usenet superior? Brag all you want about your 1337 times on usenet. The private trackers that you claim have worse pre times than usenet measure their shit in seconds. Just because one egg is cracked don’t toss the whole box. Each tracker is different just like each a.b. group has different stuff.

    tl;dr fuckwad theory is being demonstrated

  • Anonymous

    @78:
    Oh I’m sorry all those torrent sites you belong to that upload with short pretimes PAY TO LEECH FROM SOME FTP.

  • Anonymous

    Despite the fact that getting caught is like getting a lightning strike the lightning is already bad enough. Will you not stand for your fellow file-sharers and demand justice for them? Do you people have no care about those unfortunate individuals who are a victim to this injustice?

    I say that it is a time to pursue all means to destroy the propaganda regime of those “anti-pirates.”

    For we must set up NPO’s for the purpose of advocacy and legal defense. For I had not seen a single NPO for this purpose. The EFF is not for this purpose. They do not care about file-sharing. The Free Software Foundation does not care about people uploading albums, only software. Let us all volunteer our time to help those unfortunate individuals, for their propaganda and persecution has already gone on long enough.

    For this purpose, I propose that we start collecting a list of volunteers for the establishment of an organization for the rallying of the cause.

    For the anti-pirates cannot be allowed to have a monopoly on saying that we are criminals, any more. We have no voice, but we must, for we must get out to the public that we believe we are good and righteous.

  • Downeh

    How can paying for newzbin be a moronic move?

    Given I am an impatient guy, and I can click- it download max speed, not lose upload speed…

    Nzb:

    Fast
    Organised
    Not fake
    No virusses
    Little risk

    Torrent:

    Can be slow
    Ratios
    Fake Files
    CAN BE SLOW.

    Personal choice, and me… nzb forever.

    Torrents i’m just too impatient for.

  • blah

    @85

    Never once had a fake file from bittorent & i always max my connection out, Maybe you should jump off the likes of TPB & mininova…. :)

  • Rekrul

    “So is this Usenet crud more secure then BT or no?”

    For downloading? Yes, most definitely. Usenet transfers go in one way only. If you want to upload something, you upload. If you want to download something, you download. Most servers don’t even keep records of what you download, only how much.

    “I don’t use nzb’s and never really have. It’s not like there’s much going on in Usenet anymore, there’re only a few dozen active groups, the rest are just spam accumulators. Decent readers can also do their own header searches.”

    Usenet search sites are extremely useful because you don’t always know what group something was posted to. I’ve found movies and TV shows posted to some odd groups. They might be in a.b.multimedia, a.b.movies, a.b.movies.divx, a.b.boneless, etc. A good NZB site will find them no matter where they’re posted. I follow a few groups “manually”, but I use Binsearch when I’m looking for something specific.

    ” I really can’t understand anyone who would use usenet at all.

    It’s so weird, and akwardly-setup from the sounds of it, and YOU HAVE TO PAY like $20/month? I’ve already paid for my awesome internet plan, I thought that would be enough to have access to great file-sharing, and it is. Private trackers and good torrent sites are all I need, thanks.”

    Recently, I downloaded an older TV series from BT. It was five seasons of 13 half-hour episodes at about 175MB each. It took a week to get the entire thing, 11GB. With a good Usenet account, I can download all seven seasons of an hour long TV show at 22 episodes a season, 360MB an episode, in two days.

    As long as you have a good Usenet provider and what you’re downloading was posted by a competent uploader, you never have to worry about getting stuck at 98% or have to post the equivalent of “Please seed!” messages. You also don’t have to worry about what you want only being available from some private source that you need an invite to join.

  • hah

    lol @ all the p2p crybabies trying to justify that they cant afford usenet

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  • Aktiv8

    Lets face it you can pay for Newzbin – if you want to download the NZB files from their servers

    However, if you have even a little bit of sence you know how to use Newzbin in combination with other sites to get the same bunch of files – all Newzbin has done is alread grabbed the file information you need to use….

    Or of course, just use other free indexing sites

  • Rick James Bitch

    @Usenet users

    Yeah the good O-Day Sites have P2L, but you don’t have to pay use them.

    And if you navigate all of the trackers, you can find free leech on nearly everything if you try hard enough.

    And it really is free, especially if you pirate your neighbors wireless.

    Just keep payin for what you can get for free.

  • hah

    @90
    you still cant get security for free, just a dumb sense of false security. it’s like when all the oinkers were on high horse about their elite private tracker…and now the police are finally making arrests lol

  • Rick James Bitch

    @91
    You really think this is about security? The people go after filesharing don’t care about one end user. One tracker of many got shut down, and 2 out of 200,000 got arrested. Those are odds I can live with. I have a much better chance of being arrested for smoking pot in the privacy of my own home.

  • Anonymous

    EVERYBODY pays.

    Usenet users are smart enough to pay in cash and in return they get premium quality reliable service that makes the most effective use of the bandwidth they have available to them

    P2P users, like BT users, pay by turning over their upload resources, that they have to pay an ISP for, to a ‘community’. In return they get mediocre quality service and low reliability regarding actually completing downloads.

    If you see it on usenet you CAN download it. If you see a torrent for it, you MIGHT be able to download it. Usenet is not susceptible to the seeder deciding to shut down their computer the way torrents are.

    Usenet can be used as a download only service without damaging the network. P2P requires risky uploading or your use is demeaning the quality of the network for everybody.

    Besides all that how much are usent users really paying? A ticket to a movie theater cost around $10 to $12 these days. To rent a movie is between $3 and $4 or around $20 per month for a ‘plan’. Tv shows from Itunes sell for $2 or $3 a piece.

    I typically download 20 or 30 tv shows per month and just as many movies. I pay $15 per month.

    I have a buddy that laughed when I paid a hooker $100 for sex. He said I was a loser and he would never pay for sex. He then spent $100 taking a woman to dinner and $60 taking her to a movie after dinner and he burned $20 worth of gas driving around town. He got a good night kiss. 3 more dates and he should be getting that ‘free’ sex.

    EVERYBODY pays!!!

  • Simple Math

    We’ve already won the piracy war people, it’s just a question of time.

    Assuming 1 AxxO movie = 700 MB, the average MP3 = 5 MB, and a $200 hard drive increases in capacity every 1.5 years (not unreasonable), then:

    5 years (2012) – We’ll have 7 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 9,643 Movies or 1.3 Million songs!!

    10 years (2017) – We’ll have 51 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 73,225 movies or 10.3 MILLION songs

    15 years (2022) – We’ll have a 389 Terabyte hard drive costing $200, that can store 556,000 Movies!!! or 77.8 Million songs (Is there even that many songs in the history of the world?!?!?)

    20 years (2027) – We’ll have a 2956 TERABYTE hard drive, costing $200, that can store 4.2 MILLION MOVIES or 590 MILLION MP3s!

    ==================
    GAME *UCKING OVER!
    ===================

    By 2030, we’ll have every movie and song in the world stored on our freakin’ wrist watches!

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  • super hero

    91: please do remember that we probably won’t be using XviD for video then so your numbers are a little off but you’re right in the bigger picture of things ;)

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  • David

    My feeling is that although the crimes should be addressed, and precautions should be taken, the outright removal of ALL newsgroups seems entirely unfair. There are plenty of newsgroups that are completely legitimate. Microsoft, Apple, Google and even our Government all have newsgroup relations. TO kill this access to information seems a great deal overboard.
    FOr me, this was the final straw. TWC was only kept around as my ISP because of Usenet access. Without this, I am leaving. I joined http://www.newsdemon.com and they’re actually better than any usenet access that Ive had with an ISP, or with any other Usenet provider for that matter.
    Now the mission is to find another ISP that has my interest in mind rather than one that takes advantage of a situation in order to cut costs on bandwidth.
    D. Linus

  • furlonium

    Don’t hate if you can’t afford $15-$25/month, and a few bucks a month for Newzbin’s access.

    I max out my 20mbps connection immediately on usenet. Not once have I had that happen with ANY torrent.

    Time is money, and I’d rather have my 10GB hi-def rip in a couple hours than a few days.

    ;)

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  • nakedgoat

    All I want to say is your not paying for "usenet" per say — Usenet is a large entity, When paying for Premium Usenet servers; your paying for speed and anonymity no one is twisting your are to pay for anything 99.1% of ISP's have free Usenet access, not as many connections, not as fast, no SLL, and very LOW retention.

    As far as Newzbin, You are paying for a NZB, and no one has to pay, I've been using Newzbin since they started; but there are plenty of free ones.

    Use BT's; P2PlamewaRE, But you lamers might want to know what your talking about before attacking something you know nothing about.

    It makes me sick just seeing this thread on this site. 1st and last visit so no need to reply directly to me.

    Usenet has been around, as stated by educated individuals above long before any BT / P2P and it will always be here, NZB's or not.

    Have and nice day and go fuck yourself.

    -goat

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