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Newzbin Usenet Indexing Trial: Day One

After coming under legal threats from the MPAA in 2008, the Newzbin.com Usenet indexing site began its defence in London’s High Court yesterday. Newzbin are reporting that the judge appears remarkably switched and they are looking forward to a fair trial.

In 2008, Newzbin received complaints from the MPA (the MPAA’s big brother) who raised questions over the legality of their operations. Later that year Newzbin confirmed that the MPA had chosen to file an injunction against the site. (case background here)

Yesterday the showdown of Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation & Others v Newzbin Ltd began before in London’s High Court before Mr Justice Kitchin.

The case began at 10:30 on Monday with the barrister for the plaintiffs making his opening statement. As reported by Newzbin, in a 3 hour speech “mostly being full of how evil we are” the barrister explained what Usenet is along with a description of Newzbin.

The file format originally created by Newzbin – the .NZB – also had its functions explained along with an explanation by the barrister of how they compare to hyperlinks. Newzbin notes that much effort was put into trying to convince the Judge how .NZBs differ from hyperlinks.

Accusations were also leveled at Newzbin’s backend code, which the plaintiffs claim is designed to go looking specifically for copyright works on Usenet.

In contrast to the long speech by the plaintiffs, Newzbin took little time to state that they disputed most of what had been said so far and would address this in the evidence to come.

Later in the day witnesses for the plaintiffs were produced, including representatives from the MPAA-funded Federation Against Copyright Theft (FACT).

“[They] didn’t have much to say under cross-examination apart from they did a half-assed job analysing our site,” Newzbin reports.

Other witnesses included “some junior lawyers who confirmed they had harvested data from our listings but didn’t bother to check how much of it was actually under any form of copyright.”

According to Newzbin, the “star of the show” was an expert witness who was cross examined for an hour at the end of the day. Apparently he reported that it could be dangerous to auto-open an NZB meta-file file in a browser since it could lead to the user being infected by a virus. Strange guy.

Newzbin indicate they are happy with Judge Justice Kitchin, who they believe is “remarkably on the ball and switched on”. They are confident that this will be a fair trial since Justice Kitchin has already pulled up the plaintiff’s barrister on several points.

“This Judge certainly won’t blindly eat everything he’s told by the MPA,” Newzbin adds. “On the other hand it doesn’t mean he’ll accept our arguments easily either.”

The case continues.

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  • KsbjA

    I wish them the best. :-)

  • Bullzeye

    “Apparently he reported that it could be dangerous to auto-open an NZB meta-file file in a browser since it could lead to the user being infected by a virus.”

    LOL.

  • Gargamel

    Holy $hit a smart judge thats current with the times and not some 85 yr old techno-phobe?

    I’m pleasantly surprised :)

  • Joe

    “Apparently he reported that it could be dangerous to auto-open an NZB meta-file file in a browser since it could lead to the user being infected by a virus.”

    Never heard of a plain text file that can execute any program or virus code.

    Utter retards…

  • KingSkaFa

    I concur number 3!

  • Legio

    Agreed With 5&3 And I Must Say That The “Expert Witness” Must Be Quite An Idiot..

  • SuperExpert

    Usenet is evil, downloading NZBs from Usenet can harm your computer, infect you with a virus, steal your and your families money from your bank account, allow criminals to hijack your PC, which then will be used to kill your neighbors, or your neighboars nice looking small innocent cat – it can also hijack planes and someone told me Usenet did steal his car last summer!!!

  • SuperExpert
  • Jason Bannister

    best of luck Newzbin. Mafiaa over the years has really covered almost everything. Oh well they haven’t did much good other than mess up things that are good. There is still hope though. http://www.shareReactor.com

  • ThatGuy

    Good luck guys! Keep on supporting us! :headbang:

  • Ninja{Pirate}

    “Three Strikes, Exile, and Judge Dredd” http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/2877

    Upon investigation story of Cathi “Cat” Paradiso turned out that Paradiso, just like 12 year old girls, dead people who hated computers when they were alive, 66 year old ‘computer neophytes’, and people in hospitals before her, was not responsible for the downloading.
    Stories read like the enquirer. Mafiaa is out of this world just by reading those articles.

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    Oh my GOODNESS!!!

  • hmm

    hopefully another fair uk trial :)
    unlike the swedish joke of justice we’ve become used to

  • .

    what’s usenet?

  • h33t

    usenet is where almost all content appears first before it is aggregated and released onto the p2p filesharing networks

    information is free, knowledge is power

    http://fr33sp33k.h33t.com/index.php?topic=5155.0

  • Anonymouse

    #15:
    You couldn’t be more wrong. All “scene” releases are uploaded onto FTP servers own by the sceners. It is from there spread onto p2p networks and usenet, Usenet itself is rarely the first stop.

  • REASONED MIND

    Isn’t it great that now we can steal without leaving the comfort of our homes? We don’t have to get our butts off the couch even!
    ….and I confess: I AM A PIRATE!!

  • Jeff

    Actually, in many cases, content hits torrent sites before getting posted to newsgroups.

    I’ve found that to be the case especially with anime fansubs.

    And claiming that auto-opening an NZB metafile in a browser can get you infected with a virus is a rather retarded statement, and shows that the plaintiffs in this case don’t really know a lot about Usenet. Now opening some NZBs in your newsreader could possibly get you infected were you to actually run the files they indexed (here I’m thinking of warez-type content.)

    Good thing the judge seems to be somewhat technology savvy.

  • e7

    Generally, SCENE releases get to usenet first. However when the average joe releases something who is not part of a cracking group, etc, they cannot upload to FTP, so they release on torrent sites/newsgroups.
    Generally torrent sites.

  • Le Fake

    Justice Kitchin? WTF kind of a name is THAT for a judge?! :D

  • heeter

    @19 – yep.

  • Ninja

    As usual, MAFIAA an merry friends show how they lack knowledge in both tech aspects and real life. Yeah, we have hundreds of millions of evil greedy ppl that don’t buy what they share… Sad bunch of losers those MAFIAA guys are…

    Gonna ask again, in which world do you live?

  • Brandon

    @7 Still Lmao…

  • Pete

    @20 “Justice” isn’t his name. It is the title given to all judges in the uk. his real name is david kitchin.

  • Fightclub

    The First Rule of Usenet is that You don’t talk about USenet. These mofo’s couldn’t put out a flaming bag of shit if their life depended on it. Good luck ass Clowns Death to the Maffia oh and you too DiaRiAa. go fuck Yourself. NZBS for Life.

  • TerribleTony

    Good luck guys.

    I’m off to auto-open a NZB file in IE. :o

  • Anonymous

    Yes the other day I downloaded an NZBs file and open it with Notepad then left few minute my home office to make myself a coffee and when I went back,

    OH! my chair was missing!

    Dam!

    Then I went back to the kitchen to get myself another chair and

    OH! My refrigerator was gone!

    Tell Newzbin that I can testify about how dangerous these NZBs files (NewZBin files) are. Really your honor! Cross my hart hope to die if I lie!

    haaaaaaargggggg!

  • Dia

    The judge is The bushy tip of the tail of certain animals?

  • Anonymous

    Afiar trial? Don’t count on it wit this corporate parasites?

    No such thing as a fair trial.

    Instead of wasting time and money going to the court they should just raid the head quarter of the Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation!

    No justice no peace!

  • Anonymous

    Afiar trial? Don’t count on it with these corporate parasites?

    No such thing as a fair trial.

    Instead of wasting time and money going to the court they should just raid the head quarter of the Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation!

    No justice no peace!

  • illunatic

    Fox & Co$ vs. Newzbin:

    “NZB meta-file is a pedo.”

    *puppy dog eyes @ judge*

  • Anonymous

    Good luck, guys!

    Hopefully it’ll be enough to prove in a UK court that not everything that CAN be used for infringement actually is and isn’t be held responsible for what occurs.

  • raisin brain

    Everyone should be punished for this atrocity except me and my co-workers.

    No one escapes, all are guilty until we say they are not (which will require a deposit to our accounts.)

    It is written.

  • ggnak

    “…it could lead to the user being infected by a virus.”

    lolwut :P

  • akaKJB

    It’s a pretty simple strategy that has worked many times over – throw out all of the buzzwords like “virus” that the media have regular, casual computer users scared shitless over, link those evils to something that the average person knows very little about then sit back and let the judgments in your favor come rolling in. Forget the fact that their arguments make about as much sense as getting VD by watching a porn movie. Tech savvy or not, this Judge has got to do a lot more before I’ll be convinced that he’s not going to just bend over and let the MPA & its evil henchmen have their way with him.

  • Torrent

    Good luck newzbin :)

  • meh

    What the MPAA didnt pay off the judge this time?

    Surprised me…

  • lol

    i heard opening exe can lead to a virus…

    yarly

  • Zzyzx

    God luck guys, hope everything works out!

  • http://www.PetFoodz.Info – Yatti420

    Newzbin will win in court.. It’s only fair the MPAA\RIAA scum be dealt their share of losses this year :) …

  • Anonymous

    “What the MPAA didnt pay off the judge this time?”

    They certainly did. Thr judgr is just faking it right now. Eventaully he will rule on the side of the corporate criminals.

    No Justice no peace.

  • Anonymous

    “i heard opening exe can lead to a virus…”

    No opening an Exe file is safe. But opening a txt, NZB or a torrent file is not.

    Now I am sending a lot of exe files to the RIAA MPAA and the 7 major corporations of parasite executives.

    Their computers are m. . . Heu I mean every thing is cool. Just stay away from ASCII file and just open my exe file to protect you against evil ASCII files such as NZB. That’s all.

  • JUSTICE

    NZB’S are bad very bad and they have moved on from fridge theft to kidnapping! I opend a nzb went to make a coffie and when i returned my wife and son had gone from the front room, Now i havent received a ransom demand or any body parts in the post but am waiting for that day to come. Nzb if your reading this please please let me have them back as the ironing is building up!!!! Good luck with the case fellas let the be justice for the peeps

  • Good luck to the site.

    This is THE TEST in court everyone had been talking about for years and years.
    Is it illegal to download a text file generated from already public information?
    There is a taken down system if anyone wants his stuffs not to be listed.
    I predict a sad day if Caesium loses
    But i predict an insane day if he wins. HOLY SHIT !!! this is going to be big.
    Either way, there will be no diminution. You want to seduce the consumers, not scare the shit out of them by scare tactics.

    Anyway, how come an american company sues people in UK ?
    What no their counterpart there ???

  • nobody

    MPA is the international arm of the MPAA

  • stickykeyboard

    I got a VD from their nzb!

  • taffia77

    #27 – you really shouldn’t post stuff like that – clowns like the Twentieth Century Fox will use it as evidence.

    I’m not kidding either :|

  • anon2

    so what is the latest development then? heard nothing other than what is in this post. no further reports come out?

  • GoLeafsGo – Hey Loco

    There once was a judge named Kitchin,
    Overwhelmed by all of the bitchin’.
    He said “toujours gai”,
    To all involved in the fray,
    And “I pronounce all the victims O.K…..”

    … because, most of the content that gets posted and redistributed by whatever means, is basically crap that nobody would spend good money on ANYWAY. As an example: if Sandra Bullock’s movies were never uploaded, nobody would ever have heard of her; obviously, people aren’t seeing her “work” in theatres….17 people were reported as being present at the premiere of her latest project.

    GLG

  • Interesting things, I’d always wondered why usenets weren’t so publicly persecuted/prosecuted, since they were there long before bt. Is it because less people use it (do less people?)?

    @18: What does anime have to do with scene releases? Totally different area of the internet (so to speak), I thnk… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_scene

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