Norway Makes it Easier to Go After File-Sharers

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April 19, 2009
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The recently implemented IPRED legislation in Sweden makes it easier for copyright holders to identify and go after alleged illegal file-sharers. Up until now the same hasn’t been easy in Norway, but all that is set to change as the country’s telecoms regulator says that file-sharers identities can be given to copyright holders.

Norwegian file-sharers transferring illicit content on the Internet are about to find out that their identities aren’t as secure as they were previously. To date, the identities of these file-sharers has been kept secret as privacy rules have largely stopped copyright holders discovering real-life names behind IP addresses.

All that is set to change as Norway’s Post and Telecommunications Regulator has just decided that if a court feels there is good enough reason, it can force ISPs to hand over the names and addresses of illicit file-sharers to copyright holders. This means that they can now be pursued through the courts, or more likely, through “pay up or else” type threats.

The decision to allow courts to force ISPs to hand over file-sharers’ details relates to one particular case brought by Simonsen, a company that is licensed to investigate illegal file-sharing on the web. It’s believed that the decision will be applied to future requests of the same nature.

Post and Telecommunications Regulator director Willy Jensen said it was time to make online a “legitimate and structured place,” not of anarchy. “Cultural life on the web is important, so we can’t allow a situation where artists copyrights are broken,” he said.

Simonsen law firm works with notorious movie industry lawyer Espen Tondel, who previously sent a letter to ISPs ordering them, among other things, to disconnect alleged file-sharers. The ISPs refused to compromise their customers, but with this new decision it looks like they may be forced to do just that in future.

Interestingly, the decision of the telecoms regulator opposes the views of the Norwegian Minister of Education who believes that the music industry should embrace the Internet instead of fighting it. “All previous technology advances have led to fears that the older format would die. But TV did not kill radio, the Web did not kill the book, and the download is not going to kill music.” the Minister said earlier.

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atroxes

Awesome! With the very certain and precise data gathering methods the Media companies are using, this will surely be able to catch some of the truely hardcore pirates

END OF “¤%#¤% SARCASM
Ralonto

Yes another reason why the world is going down the drain and soon China will be a better place to live in than the west.
Anonymous

HAHAHAHA!

Hot on the heels of the guilty verdict that made people take to the streets and swelled the Pirate Party’s memberhship by over 10,000(!) new members, let’s poke the hornet’s nest some more!

They never learn, do they?
mauritz

Im from Norway. is this for real? no norwegian media have reported this…

Damn!
rælf

@ 4, actually yes they have – they just haven’t given it a lot of space in the papers because this isn’t what they think of as “big news”.
mauritz

I see, have you some links? plz ;)
Anonymous

I was wondering wouldn’t tax havens like the Cayman Islands be great place to host a torrent site given very strict privacy laws?
biw that we lost sweden
Jimmy N.

It’s only a matter of time before this same development starts planting itself in other countries, unless this Norway implementation goes up in flames.
What’s next, Canada, eh?
universal Turing Machine

this is wrong ip add dose not mean good evedense anybody whould think these laws whould before a terrorist and not a noraml guy dowonload stuff.

but arcoding to this man anyone with a computer is to balame

http://www.knockoffornot.com/elburrito/
Fin

Guys, who’s interested in starting a new nation out of a seastead or jointly buying an old cruiseship and anchoring in international waters.

Call it Tracker C4r01in3 or something…
Dingo_RG

tanta idiotez junta es sorprendente
Viking

Mauritz:

http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/04/18/kultur/fildeling/opphavsrett/the_pirate_bay/tekno/5799724/

http://www.itavisen.no/810981/norske-fildelere-kan-utleveres-med-navn
Dingo_RG

That a lot of idiocy.

This proves how irrelevant for the society are the governments and justice systems today.
RobbingHood

@2 True
@10 Nice idea

IPREDATOR has just gained how many new users? Let’s drive us even deeper underground.

Clever idea, less money to buy their content because people are having to spend on VPN’s now.

Idiotic & greedy. What a set of moron’s.

Wonder what the troll ReasonedMind’s got to say on this?
Anonymous

im scared of what is going to happan next
Anonymous

im scared of what is going to happan next lol
UltraleetJ

“With the very certain and precise data gathering methods the Media companies are using, this will surely be able to catch some of the truely hardcore
pirates”. That’s just like saying the uNited States is a country that is not sovereign and has only 3 states. Utter nonsense. And if these methods are so good then, why is it that the real line on piracy has not been stopped/ what about private trackers/ huh? what about peer to peer? like sharing files on msn or aim or skipe? what about the file sharing services? what about google? what about stopping me from burning a cd and giving it to someone? what about stopping digital audio recorders? id10t!
Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

of course china will be the best place to live , America and all you dumb arsed idiots giving bail out money and such where you think it comes form, china will just get its cut forever and there standard of living grows and grows, until you realize that hollywood american style life has bankrupted there own people so they come for yours , and deal with people that deal with them as the traitors they are then you nor anyone will have to continue to suffer there musings
James

@UltraleetjJ

What about reading his post?
Autoacid.com

Norway is a great country. I went to there once.

http://www.autoacid.com
Anonymous

@ 10

yes that would be an awesome idea if it was possible.

@ 13

i was wondering the same unreasoned mind has been very quiet in the last few days
Anonymous

@19

and you is a spammer, GFTO

and about Norway, its good that all these things are happen, not because I support those capitalist pigs, just because I think torrent need to die to a more secure protocol born, something like Freenet implemented in the japanese p2p Share/Perfect Dark.

You can see the IP of everyone goddamit, and you can’t change the laws, they have billions of $ and power at their side, stop dreaming.
wut

@4

yes, and wrong, the media has talked about it, this is some days old news!
Jimmy

China may censor their internet, but from what I understand, people there can get all the copyrighted material they want for free without fear of punishment. For example, the R4 device used to store Nintendo DS games and various game download sites come out of China. Not to mention all the counterfeit CDs DVDs and purses sold on the streets.
#YLS#

@10

the ship isn’t a new idea but still a worthy one, the problem is comunications, you’d probably need a satilite link up somewhere which is the major problem.

Although a cargo setup isn’t to bad, supposedly google use Cargo containers to store their servers as a way of protecting them and moving them incase of earthquakes, etc.
mu57i11

@16 try reading first
Fin

This is 10

We could anchor the ship, get either a satelite uplink or a fiberoptic cable back to continental Europe or Iceland.

1) Get Ship
2) Get servers + connection
3) Either flag of convenience or declare a new nation.

Personaly I see building a community around this could work, tourists would like this kind of thing methinks =p

For electricity, I have no idea how much juice it would eat up but I suspect we could have rafts of solar panels and internal pumped storage, no need to buy fuel for the thing as much >:)
Dan

I hate people that doesn’t know what they are doing. Simonsen Law Firm is one of them, and they have no right to actually gather things that doesn’t belong to them. If someone should gather personal information, it should be the Norgwegian Government, police and such, not a fucking law firm.

GTFO stupid people. Piracy ftw
progress

Finally some progress. All these filesharing pirates need to go to jail.

HOORAY FOR COPYRIGHT!
Henning

I thought Norway would be the one country to take the high road and not brake privacy rules of the consumers.

These are horrible news, and I hope people will protest this stupidity!
…

Norwegians won’t protest. You have to look long for a country with a more docile population, willing to accept anything from the government. And even when we protest the government won’t listen, a good example of that was the anti war demonstrations before the Iraq war – largest demonstrations since WW2 and the govt still sent troops.
whaaaat

The only problemwith torrents is the mass pedophiles, not the freedom of technology and communication.
Anonymous

Albert Einstein All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

Evil=haters copywrite,IPRED.
Reasoned Mind

@#13, Robbing Hood.

“Wonder what the troll ReasonedMind’s got to say on this?”

Is bringing the occasional alt position inherently trolling?

The key to this entire issue is not in the sheer number of pirates and I grant you new generations may view property ownership differently. Whether tangible goods remain “ownable” while intangible goods do not remains to be seen, but it is no accident that the vast, overwhelming majority of those seeking to take without paying are not those creating the content (and actually doing the real work) but the assholes who take and bring remarkably little to the barter. Look at what just happened to DemiGod, from a firm who stands AGAINST DRM. What pirates have done there is just vile and the governments are watching so the larger issue remains the digital format as a place where order is to be manifested or not.

At present, the internet is an unregulated toilet of fraud and hacking, defacement, pilfered creditcard and healthcare data, theft, illegal copying and distribution…..the list goes on and on and all because enforcement remains well behind online activity and because a small percentage of users (when compared to the global network) have no sense of respect for others who are within the legal framework At the moment, the network has been allowed to degrade these past 10 years to anarchy and chaos in a wide range of online activities. Infringement is just one small part of the larger problem and canny observers know this. Suggesting that entertainment doing less than 20B a year controls government is just silly.

Some here argue they have a “right” to do as they wish online, although no society in history has ever formally embraced anarchy like that.

Other’s argue that our privacy and liberties are worth retaining and protecting but not (in my view) at the cost of sacrificing our network to permanent chaos.

This issue has always been about whether world government will leave the toilet as it is or slowly clean it up, using a step by step process that is likely to take decades while preserving as much privacy and liberty as possible. That’s exactly what we ask of our governments IRL, isn’t it? No one yet has offered a valid reason why the network should be any different.

This current generation of pirates makes clear they will continue in their online destruction (off all kinds) not caring about the damage they inflict on our freedoms, but pendulums do swing both ways. We’ll see in the years ahead if the greater public wants the current unregulated conditions that permit this anarchy to continue, or if our natural instincts towards justice and organization will ultimately prevail. I say inevitably the latter and whatever it takes to achieve it, and that’s why pirates lose in the long run. The internet loses, too, but “You can’t stop us” remains the single largest misconception in the entire debate. Someday we’ll see to what degree government is willing to go but the trends seems pretty clear to me. It’s just a matter of time, now. And that’s really the bottom line.
Kk

Norway is turning into a policestate.
NoOne

Poor lawmakers. They think that they can beat technology but we’ll move to darknets, proxied encrypted networks or to good old direct downloads and use block lists and that will be it. They will have no mean to monitor anything whatsoever. It’s been 10 years since Napster and they still don’t get it. How stupid one can be? Some obsolete industries definitely need a mercy killing before they do more harm.
Anonymous

@2

The sole reason that China does not crack down on p2p file-sharing is because it doesn’t affect their economy. When it could, as was the case with the Olympics, they are just as harsh as any western state. If the next big entertainment product comes from China or if the US/EU pays them enough, there will be a major crackdown. China also censors any BitTorrent content that promotes a view that they disagree with.

If laws such as this one worry you, anonymously subscribe to a trustworthy VPN service that uses good encryption and doesn’t keep logs.
JMD88

Demonoid registrations are open.
Anonymous

RIAA members:
* EMI
* Sony Music Entertainment
* Universal Music Group
* Warner Music Group

MPAA members:
* Walt Disney Pictures (The Walt Disney Company);
* Columbia Pictures (Sony Corporation);
* Paramount Pictures (Viacom);
* 20th Century Fox (News Corporation);
* Universal Studios (NBC Universal);
* Warner Bros. (Time Warner).
Anonymous

“Demonoid registrations are open.”

Stop spamming! We don’t want your tracker. Go away!
Anonymous

This is great news!!!!!111 Finland next. Finns won’t protest. We are the lambs lost without a guiding light. Then Denmark. Germany. Holland. And so it spreads throughout Europe like the Black Plague did.

Also, I have to say that I am so ticked off at the yesterday’s trolls spamming every article with their stupid comments that I will torrent more just to take a revenge on them.

The reality is that “piracy” will not go away and the content creators/owners/distributors must understand that they need to change their business models! Why aren’t my comments showing???
Anonymous

Just testing if I can say “Fools”.
democracy

Soon we will lock all you criminals aka pirates behind bars. Download as much as you can now because in a few years you will not be able to download illegally anymore.

HAHAHAHA
Anonymous

@39 Oh yeah? There are millions of pirates all around the world. Even if you manage to catch a significant amount of pirates, they will just start using anonymous p2p programs, which already exist!
Fin

Can you realisticly lock up 10%+ of Europe who fileshares?
The economic costs of imprisoning makes this impossible unless of course the MPAA and RIAA want to subsidise the high quality and costly EU prison and rehab service.

The law serves the people, this is a concept alien to American companies I feel, but the idea is still in the conscious mind of Europeans.

This means, by popular (aka democratic) consent, the law must say something along the lines of…

“Screw the money we have laws!!”
democracy

“Can you realisticly lock up 10%+ of Europe who fileshares?”

No, but when people see that their neighbor/person they know got arrested for illegal downloading they will stop from fear of going too prison also.

Currently nobody is afraid of going to jail cos of piracy so that is why so many fileshare.
FatGiant

@39

That will be awesome.

That way we can all party together.
And you know what, it’s you and the likes of you that will have to pay for our sustenance.

So, bring it on, and… btw… get ready for major, I mean MAJOR, raves at the prisons you throw us in.

With downloaded music, of course.
Anonymous

It is time for all citizen of the world to use anonymizing methods using VPN, encrypted proxies open proxies TOR at least use peer-guardian or one of these anonymous P2P applications such as Ant. Winny or Mute.

It is now prudent even if you don’t download anything to protect your privacies on internet. Nobody should be able to see what information is exchanged and by who.

We have a right to privacy on internet in order to protect ourselves against corporation of parasites, rogue governements and others cyber criminals.

Meanwhile boycott the entairtainment industry to death:

NO CD, NO DVD, NO DOWNLOAD NO MOVIE THEATERS, NO CABLE SUBSCRIPTION! NOTHING!They is two type of contents the open content under creative common and the copyrighted content.
The open content will trive.
The copyrighted contents will die.
All the law in the world will not change that.

If the boycott has been more thorough against the recording industry they would be dead by now instead of just dying.

All the corporations who conduct themsleves like parasites and tremple or laws or governements our justice system such as will die eventually becaue we are the one who support them and we don’t have too. We have to convince enought people not to do business with them.

Companies to boycott:
Vivendi Universal,
Sony BMG,
Warner Bros,
MGM,
Columbia Pictures,
20th Century Fox.
EMI

Also use the RIAA radar since these pigs havwe a lots of subsidiaries:
http://www.riaaradar.com/
democracy

@46
“And you know what, it’s you and the likes of you that will have to pay for our sustenance.”

hahahaha
The government finances that with tax money. LOL
democracy

@47
The funny thing is that TPB and most illegal filesharers also hurt copyright from indie labels/musicians/filmmakers who do not have much money to begin with. It hurts them more than the big companies who have loads of cash.
Fools.
FatGiant

@48

If we will be all in prison, who would be left to pay taxes?

The copyright supporters that’s who.

So, go ahead, inprison us all.

Be ready for a major increase in taxes to support it. Because, it will cost billions to do it. Oh, and consider we will ALL fight back.

Do you really believe that downloading files deserves that harsh punnishment to yourself? Because, we, will be in prison, and you will still have to work everyday to feed us.

Think a bit…
Anonymous

“Yes another reason why the world is going down the drain and soon China will be a better place to live in than the west.”

This is true because in China the use of anonimazing tools such as Tor and Syphon are widspread and for good reason. I believe that from now on we will have to do the same.
Anonymous

We could already raise a terrific army with all the people already in prison and retake our contry.

All we need is few hight ranked militaries on our side.
Anonymous

@49 Do you have actual proof or are you just saying it because you THINK that’s how it is? During the TPB trial professor Roger Wallis told that filesharing does not hurt music sales (http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-witness-wife-overwhelmed-with-flowers-090227/).
Celesto

the war has begun
democracy

@53
Even if I do not have any proof, the fact is that pirates break copyright law from both huge corporations and the pirate bay.

Example of TPB’s arrogance and stupidity:
If I recorded an album in my basement, someone stole it from me and put it on TPB so other’s could download for free illegaly. I would then contact TPB so they take the torrent down but they would tell me “F**K YOU”.

TPB and pirates are breaking copyright law, that is the only fact that is important. Change the law if you do not like it by democratic ways, not by acting like anarchists over the internet.
democracy

sry, it is “pirates break copyright law from both huge corporations and indie content producers.” not TPB
Anonymous

@49 You are the fool.

The indies will be fine because they are not under boycott. At least those not suporting and even opposing the corporate parasites are safe from boycott and somehow protected against collateral damages.

If you want to get your indy label boycotted too just write down the name in this post and their position obn the issue and it will not take long. Promised!

But I bet that your label is actually Vivendique Universale. Oui! Oui!

Companies to boycott:
Vivendi Universal,
Sony BMG,
Warner Bros,
MGM,
Columbia Pictures,
20th Century Fox.
EMI

Also use the RIAA radar since these pigs havwe a lots of subsidiaries:
http://www.riaaradar.com/
Anonymous

@55 “Change the law if you do not like it by democratic ways, not by acting like anarchists over the internet.”
Don’t worry, they are working on it in Sweden 8)
democracy

@57
Btw, nobody here will listen or follow you lol. This is the internet, everyone is a tough guy over the internet.
Fin

Anarchists?
On the Internet?!?

You mean that this system isn’t vetted by a government so as to protect me from things I cannot take?

*has panic attack*

*lunges for panic button to summon those nice policemen*
Anonymous

@55

“TPB and pirates are breaking copyright law, that is the only fact that is important. Change the law if you do not like it by democratic ways, not by acting like anarchists over the internet.”

1) TBP is not breaking any law.
A normal court case would definitivly not have returned a guilty verdic. This is not justice!

2) So you are talking about a democratic way? which democratic way?

a) The DMCA in the US which by the way is anit-constitutional has not been voted by the people but imposed agaisnt the people will.

b) The ADOPI law in French recently voted has not been voted by the people who also overwingly oposed it.

c) Now the latest copyright law passed in sweden and in Norway has not be voted by the people either.

This are only few exemples of the crime agaisnt our democracies perpetuated by your corporation of parasites and criminals.

So I am asking you again: which democratic way!

You are the fool because there is only one possible response to this trempling of our democracies:

GUNS!

And guess who will be the first targets?
#YLS#

@ Reasoned Mind

Haven’t you seen lately? Entertainment creation has gone up 1000% since the internet, youtube, creative commons liscences, all of it’s helped make a stable increase in media production, the problem is alot are not seeing the positive changes.

Is a movie only a movie because it comes from a studio with a full production team? Does a song need to be the product of a record label to now be music?

Humanity is a chaotic thing… yets be honest, pedophiles & fraudsters have been around since forever, it’s apart of life. The more media we have the more apparent it is.

‘Controlling’ the internet doesn’t get rid of this, it hides it under the carpet. The internet needs to be left intact as best as possible.

Why? because through the internet we can help show others that these things are wrong. If we can’t then everyone deserves to live in this filth that’s around us.
Anonymous

“Btw, nobody here will listen or follow you lol. This is the internet, everyone is a tough guy over the internet.”

Oh ya?

The problem for you is that they are already listening.

The sale of CDs is in free fall you fool and the 4 majors are on the verge of BK. Next will come Holywood.

Frankly it did not have to be this way but it was your chosing not ours.
Anonymous

Too bad Ipredator might never be released now that TPB crew is convicted. A VPN that doesn’t log is the best way to circumvent this law.
democracy

Ipredator = A way for TPB to make even more money.
Anonymous

@64 Why wouldn’t it? I don’t think that will stop TPB.
#YLS#

@ democracy

Ipredator is a bloody expensive system to run, running a VPN in itself is no simple task let alone, running an industrial VPN that can route terabytes of data across the world with out comprimising bittorrent traffic, EXPENSIVE. the prices they are offering are pretty damn cheap.

I’ll admit they might make a little bit of cash, but I assure you Ipredator will barely cover the time and effort it takes for that kind of operation.
???????? ??????

??? ???? ?????.
Pirates > RIAA

End of the world in 2012…
MPAA and RIAA will end the world, just watch.
FatGiant

Guys come on, don’t give this trolls any more material to report to whomever holds their leashes.

They don’t know, that TPB isn’t the only source for torrents, and, apparently ignore all the other systems we have available. Let’s not educate them.

Leave them in their blissfull ignorance of the real world, leave them to feed the one’s that hold them prisioners. Leave them to live in their limited mentalities and narrow mentalities. Stupidity and ignorance are their natural born rights, don’t take that from them.

If they wanna feed the one’s they so blatantly defend, who are we to say they can’t. Let them.

We know better, and they will never learn. So, why bother.

One day, eventualy, they will wake up and discover that they have been stupid by paying way to high prices for what they could have for free, but, it’s not up to us to wake them.

Let them be. Their poor minds can’t go any higher.

Yes, I’m being paternalist, condescendent and overtly insulting to you all that prefer to pay top dollar for what you shouldn’t. Feel bad about it? Well, your problem, not mine.
Anonymous

@RIAA/MPAA troll with multiple screen names
“Is bringing the occasional alt position inherently trolling?”

OMG, I thought you permanently retired your Reasoned Mind pseudonym after its credibility was blasted to dust for the nth time. But at least you did have the sense to retire NubCakes and freetard.

There’s nothing wrong with brining the occasional alt position, and what a pitty you’ve never managed to do that. The only things you have ever offered are lies, propaganda, and trolling.

Don’t confuse yourself for holding a legitimate position of any kind.

@RIAA/MPAA troll with multiple screen names
“The key to this entire issue is not in the sheer number of pirates ”

ROFL.

The sheer number of pirates has everything to do with the issue. When 20+ million people are breaking copyright laws every day without their moral compass telling them it’s wrong for even a moment, it’s a sign that copyright laws have completely lost touch with society, and a law which has lost touch society is a law which is no longer valid.

Society will not conform to copyright laws. Copyright laws will conform to society.

@RIAA/MPAA troll with multiple screen names
“our natural instincts towards justice”

…Are a death sentance for the MAFIAA.
Anonymous

Ipredator will be released no matter what. Actually thre IPredator type of services will proliferate because they ensure anonymity without slowing down transfers.

The RIAA/MPAA problem can be solved easily just by not maintaining anylog. Without log there is no Ip adress to go after.
This would benefit justice because an IP address is by no mean a sure way to identify an ISp customer yet alone a person. it is too easy to hake.
oldtimer

So now that the RIAA can’t own or make p2p and torrent technology go away they’re going after the isp’s. Their archaic business model is fvcked and yet they cling on alienating all and sundry, by targeting p2p, torrent and isp technology the GREEDY RIAA and MPAA fvckers are trying to force you to buy their OVERPRICED DRM’d crap which you can’t backup or share with a friend.
Anonymous

“Leave them in their blissfull ignorance of the real world, leave them to feed the one’s that hold them prisioners.”

I disagree for leaving these RIAA/MPAA parasites alone since they are destroying our societies.

I will leave them alone the day they all die and not a second before.

Continue and expend the boycott!

Companies to boycott:
Vivendi Universal,
Sony BMG,
Warner Bros,
MGM,
Columbia Pictures,
20th Century Fox.
EMI

Also use the RIAA radar since these pigs have a lots of subsidiaries:
http://www.riaaradar.com/
Anonymous

For the ISP the next move is simple:

Stop loging IP adresses Period, Full stop! You can advertise how you preserve the privacy of your customers.

This way none of these snooping entairtainement parasites will either have a way to know from which ISP an upload is comming
from.

There is a huge market there. Do it before anonymity become the rule of the internet.

You see, the entairtainement industry is full of pederastes. Therefore it is their interest to anonymise the Internet. Don’t let them do this!
Wreckedbusinessmodel

+1 above.
The only way to legally hurt the RIAA and MPAA industries is to BOYCOTT them, don’t buy their products, GREEDY BASTARDS.
kidTHATthinks

@Reasoned Mind

what you saying is very sad thing to come out of some who is able to post on internet.

to connect everything that is bad on internet and generally in life with people downloading music and films, is ridiculous and idiotic. fact is, that you forgot to mention is that, and also to point out to someone other comment before, that movie and music industry are every year breaking profit records. you can find that information online.

to connect everything that is bad on internet and generally in life with people downloading music and films, is ridiculous and idiotic. and sad.

no matter how harsh laws can be, that will not stop real criminals. stealinga credit card number is same as stealing someone purse. crime no matter how you look at it.

one other mistake you are saying is that youth is chaotic.. i mean, take the stick out of your ass, will ya? i am way over 21, i support free software movement and i support sharing, as it is till this moment in our history best thin that this specie made for its evolution since fire and wheel usage.

you say downloading shittywood and etc movies and music is anarchy bad for this world. i agree, but because those films are so dumb that it is actually slowing down a progress, and they are making false stars, bounding real geniuses in art and science to annonymousity for larger public

I say: BAN those fuckers all together from torrent sharing sites. let only pro-sharing artists make usage of trackers. let only art older then 40 years be shared.

and get the fuck off with connecting criminals and sharers in same line. look around, idiot. all the bad things in life. and you are pointing out on sharing community. we are not criminals. i am all for punishing real criminals already by law punishable. but i am not criminal if i am sharing with people art that i like.

let me repeat what i think about big companies and their “art”.

I say: BAN those fuckers all together from torrent sharing sites. let only pro-sharing artists make usage of trackers. let only art older then 40 years be shared.

making profit was never a reason why humans evolved. make science books free, make knowledge free for all. let someone poor but with talent to educate himself.

and then we will see where we are. i say, in a better place then now.
Rick

“”….and the download is not going to kill music.” the Minister said.”

True enough. The RIAA does not need assisted suicide. They’re doing just fine all by themselves.
FatGiant

@75

in fact that would be the most clever way for a ISP to conduct it’s businness.

If I had to choose between a Logging ISP and no-logs one, it’s obvious what my choice would be.

If this legislation becomes widespread, the first ISP to adopt the no-logs policy, would absolutely corner the market.

So, even if regulated to be possible to obtain the logs, without any logs to be given, everything would stay the same.

This, because the ISP’s know who their clients are. Eventualy, laws would be created to make them keep the logs. Until then, a lot can change.

In a few years, the sharing generation will be in the power sits. They can oppress us now, but, they will not outlast us. My only wish is to live until then.
Wreckedbusinessmodel

to Anonymous,
Thaks for posting those RIAA free music links, I will only buy music which is RIAA free from now onwards.

http://www.riaaradar.com/zeitgeist_topamazonsafe.asp
rincewind

The Norwegian Datatilsynet (in charge of privacy, e.g. storing personal data), has today criticized Post og Teletilsynet’s statement and say that they are not at all happy with it. They allowed the lawyers “Simonsen” to gather information so that they could report it to the police and have it investigated. They did NOT allow them to get the names, aka perform the investigation themselves. They are now looking into it, and will most likely re-draw the dispensation given to “Simonsen” due to the changed nature of their activities.

They also say that they are looking into forcing ISPs to delete any personal user information after at most 3 weeks, and expect that ISPs will compete to provide the better privacy and optimize their purging activities for market share.

Story, in Norwegian only, at: http://www.siste.no/teknologi/article4270662.ece
kidTHATthinks

another thing to clarify:

just TPB

“IPv4 22.340.253 peers (10.349.625 seeders + 11.990.628 leechers) in 1.745.461 torrents on tracker.
IPv6 32.210 peers (15.477 seeders + 16.733 leechers) in 31.800 torrents on tracker.”

that is 22+ millions UNIQUE IP AT GIVEN MOMENT, not for all day. at any second there are 22+ million sharers connected to tpb trackers.

that is just tpb tracker, although there are many others, and only at one given second, not for whole day.

you cannot predict how many different people are there if you count whole day. for sure much more then 100 000 000.

Sharing is caring

Education to all

Stop the poverty
Anonymous

imagine arresting 22+ million people…. that would be amazing!!!
Anonymous

btw, thanks for the list of companies to boycott, shame there isn’t a site that has an expanded list.
Kwork

UltraleetJ, Please read number 1′s full post before taking it seriously. I remember reading that you’re blind. So am I, but I still read the line below his post that you quoted. Here it is again:

END OF “¤%#¤% SARCASM

With JAWS, I was able to read that just fine. Didn’t you see the word, sarcasm, after the symbols?
greedybastards

what the RIAA and MPAA want is to have a new storage medium put into production every 10 years, that way everyone has to buy replace/duplicate their collection all over again, what a nice business eh, pay royalties for the same fvcking thing over and over and over, GREEDY PIGS, it’s no wonder they are doing their best to squash the digital drm free medium, it’s not a perpetual business.
Wildfire Fighter

This sh*t is spreading like a wildfire. We need more water.

http://tinyurl.com/c55ljf
Anonymous

@86 stop rickrolling people!!!
Sanderman

It’s indeed technically a good idea, should isp’s just stop loggin what happens with their connections. I know I would switch over right away. Unfortunately, this will never happen.

a) Isp’s want to monitor their bandwith and control users that they feel abuse their connection.

b) New European directives and stuff are being passed or have been passed, making web service providers OBLIGATED to log user’s activities. All this in the name of ‘foreign threats’ and ‘terrorism’ but of course we all know who’s really behind it. So even vpn’s might not be able to help us in the future.

Tor and I2P will become very attractive…
The_Bloodhound_Gang

“We don’t need no water”
“Burn motherfvuckers burn”
Cassettes

Who remembers cassettes? I mean who didn’t borrow an LP from a buddy to listen to it their car. How about making those long reel to reel tapes to playback at parties.

Technology has changed nothing else has. People will always have the need to share. It’s part of the human condition. The musicians that get it, go on tour and make a very good living. Ask Dylan.

The days of reaping the profits from cd’s is down but not gone. I think the cd has become the promo for fans to get excited about seeing them on tour. Can anyone say Coachella?

The bigger picture is always lost in the shuffle. If all people care about is money, that’s what they will have, not much else. What a lonely existence.

Life is short don’t forget to enjoy the ride.

This is only an opinion. :)
kidTHATthinks

@Apr 19, 2009 at 23:02 by Cassettes

The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think that it’s real because that’s how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it’s very brightly coloured, and it’s very loud and it’s fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question – is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say ‘Hey! Don’t worry, don’t be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.’ And we…kill those people. Ha ha ha. ‘Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride. SHUT HIM UP! Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and family. This just has to be real.’ It’s just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn’t matter because: it’s just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It’s only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings, and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourselves off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here’s what you can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defence each year, and instead spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, for ever, in peace.
Bill Hicks
Anonymous

113,000 x $6.67 = $753,710
freetard

@71:
“But at least you did have the sense to retire NubCakes and freetard.”

i’m still here you teenage idiot.

“imonsen Law Firm is one of them, and they have no right to actually gather things that doesn’t belong to them…”

the irony! the irony!
RobbingHood

@ ReasonedMind

Sorry, bit out of order with the troll statement.

I’m English and kinda a bit flippant with the tongue sometimes.

I’m a hardcore privacy advocate.

I’m a slight pirate.

I’m an even lesser comment whore, but since sharing is in my instinct, UB40 was the most popular TDK-80 cassette I’d copy for my mate’s.

Absolutely bemuse’s me that I can buy an overpriced DVD to watch and share at home, but get denounced on ‘the internets’ as a scumbag pirate/knockoffnigel

I currently have a HD cinema at home basically, and, with the current economic climate, watching a movie at home is more viably affordable/enjoyable/can have a smoke/pause/piss etc but the ‘Lobby (theres lot’s I could mention here) MAFIAA/TWAT/ groups’ want to take a slice of what I like to ‘consume’.

I cannot afford what they want for their apparant service to me.

Age Ratings? – Not needed, decent parents should be there for that. Period.

I was introduced to EncyclopediaDramatica by my own accord/misfortune(I quite enjoyed their parody on these internets actually).

There is no other service they provide me with. Their downfall, is, inevitable. 3rd party/middle men really do not know how to take this lying down. Why, upon why, would I want a corporate scumbag to introduce me to a movie thats been dugg twice.

‘Rec’ https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4677532/REC_2007.DvDrip.Avi_(English_Subtitles) is an excellent example of this.

‘Blank’ http://www.mininova.org/tor/2401251 is another.

Hopefully, with the god knows how many diggs/views the TPB case has had will make the general audience of passive bystanders rise up against the corruption that exists in this ‘New World Order’ that our ‘Governments’ would like us adhere to.

Well, I a’int one.
Anonymous

@NubCakes/freetard/Reasoned Mind
“i’m still here you teenage idiot.”

I know. You’ve been posting a lot of comments lately.

Oh wait… I forgot I’m supposed to be under the illusion that you aren’t just another pseudonym from the same troll behind NubCakes and Reasoned Mind. Whoops, sorry. Let me try this again.

*ahem*

What!? freetard!? But… But… I thought you left Torrent Freak forever!!11!
Anonymous

“We are with you in your struggle Carl and the rest of the Pirate Bay crew. White Power!”

ROFL.

Nice try, but don’t you think that’s a bit transparent?

I’d say you’re losing your edge, but you never had one to begin with. :D
#YLS#

“We are with you in your struggle Carl and the rest of the Pirate Bay crew. White Power!”

Yeh… you forgot to add the other anti-pirate slander… you know, that we all own 5 stack dvd copiers, give tech support to extremists, tell pedophiles where to buy the best camcorders & supposedly bite the heads off live kittens… not so much the last one but hey it’ll come up sooner or later.

Man these troll comments are getting old.
freetard

i don’t know about all the other stuff, but you do use the same VPNs that pedos do…
#YLS#

@ freetard

Lol, well that’s something you must have from experience.

Typically it’s considered most pedophiles aren’t actually smart enough to even cover there tracks when it comes to their computers let alone using VPNs.

The only reason modern pirates are is because they started as an offset of the hacking scene.
My Pen Is 404

The pedophile argument is stupid. Let me tell you why. Everyone remembers ack in the grade school years of an argument, the following is an example: Kid A and Kid B are playing hide and seek, along with several other kids. Kid A, in Kid B’s opinion, took too short of a time to count. The truth could b that Kid B was just too slow at finding a spot, it really doesn’t matter. As his final damning evidence Kid B looks at Kid A and says “Because your ugly”. Now, we all know that being ugly has nothing to do with whether Kid B is right or not, but he wins the argument by shocking and insulting Kid A into submission.
Moral of the story: That is why your argument about pedophiles is stupid, because YOU ARE UGLY. !ffo kcuf woN
Demo-cratic

@43,46
There are 2 things your post that have anything to do with democracy. One is your name. The other is that you have the right to post whatever opinion that you wish to, regardless of how many people see that opinion as wrong.
Democracy also means that what is beneficial to the group, should be law. This is despite the fact that the current climate seems inclined that he/she with the loudest voice make the law.
Filesharing is beneficial to EVERYONE, therefore must be legal.
The only thing that is benificial about anti-piracy, is that it creates jobs:
For people who wish to surf the internet all day looking for infringers.
For lawyers.
What a huge waste of money that could have gone to the artists, or to making the product cheaper, thereby increasing sales. I have a feeling that there are many managers in the MPAA, RIAA, ect, who slept through business economics class.
selfPromotingMediaShill

As long as it is not for profit or gain. Look at how many things are free on the internet nowadays and the companies behind them still manage to turn a profit. Even if TPB turns a profit, it is for the service, not the items you get through it. Go ahead and sue my cell phone company, because a friend of mine played a tune over it the other day. As a matter of fact I had ought to get my phone taken away because of this.
Olong

Luckily, the norwegian authorities are sometimes smart enough to protect them against themselves.. read post @82.

The norwegian Data Inspectorate, who once gave Simonsen their licence to investigate file sharers, has responded and say that in light of this new decision by NPTR they will now consider to withdraw Simonsen’s licence. The condition for the license was that the information Simonsen collected would be anonymized so that no one could be identified, and that further investigation were to be performed by the Police.

The Data Inspectorate also considers to force all ISP’s to delete their logs after maximum three weeks, to hinder people from getting identified. There will be no minium time to keep logs, and they suggest that ISP’s can start competing for customers over who deletes the log fastest.

“This is not just about file sharing. When you are online you should be able to feel safe that what you do is something going on only there and then, not stored forever in a log” says Ove Skåra, Data Inspectorate.
Olong

Other interesting news from Norway: New survey from BI, Norwegian School of Management (all the people that end up in grey suits) shows that Music Pirates buy 10 times more music than those that don’t pirate.

Yes, 10 times! Google-translated article: http://tinyurl.com/cayl89
democracy

@108
Fail survey.
People who pirate music a lot are probably more interested in music in the first place. That is the main reason why they buy more.
Logic fail.
Olong

@109, the survey doesn’t conclude that pirates buy more music _because_ of piracy, it just shows the connection. It counter the standard MAFIAA argument that piracy makes people get stuff for free _instead_ of paying for it: now we see that they do both, and that pirate’s argument about trying-before-buying may be true after all.
Anonymous

Legitimate and structured? You can’t control the Internet. No one owns it.
Norway

The datatilsynet have said that what Post and Telecommunications is illgal and have told the isp’s to delete the ip adress info after 3 weeks
#YLS#

@ 103 – freetard

No, your right, I don’t know anything about pedophiles and their practises… I thought I made that clear. Care to share your information on how you know so much better?

And again no, to be clear my point is that piracy started with the hacker scene, and more of the general public have joined since the start of the internet. But because of this there’s a link between the technically minded and the majority of hardcore pirates.

I wouldn’t assume the same of pedophiles.

And as much as I don’t agree with the sharing of child pornography, TPB are right to let ANYONE upload torrents (as long as it’s correctly labeled).
IP adresses are no persons

enigmax wrote

[...]it can force ISPs to hand over the names and addresses of illicit file-sharers to copyright holders.[...
]

How do they do that?

Last I heard that the internet funtions with IP adresses and not with names and addresses of “illicit file-sharers”.
All that the ISP can give (when the law really allows that) is a name and address of a person that signs responsible for paying the ISP’s monthly bill.
Remember enigmax, the RIAA does not get that one right either, that’s why they claimed that 80 year old grandmas were pirates or persons whose hardware was unable to run the software that was allegedly infringing copyrights.

ISP’s can NOT hand over names of illicit filesharers, only names of customers that pay the bill.
freetard

“No, your right, I don’t know anything about pedophiles and their practises… I thought I made that clear. Care to share your information on how you know so much better?”

common sense, retard. perverts, hackers, and pirates all have a direct need for extra anonymity. saying that only pirates are “technically minded” enough to use VPNs is an absurdity based on absolutely nothing. whether you want to admit it or not, the same programs and technical loopholes that allow YOU to hide are also being used by criminals far worse than you. hope you sleep well at night!
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billy the kid

Body hunters will have a good time.
and treatening people to pay or jail.
DDRs stasi is back in bisnis
Looks like

its time to use anonymous networks like OneSwarm

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