Police Extend OiNK’s Bail Date and Returns Servers, Wiped!
Written by Ernesto on December 07, 2007The OiNK servers that were raided in October have been returned to OiNK’s ISP. Strangely enough all the data, and thus the evidence, has been wiped. In addition, the bail date for OiNK admin Alan Ellis, who was arrested during the raid, has today been extended until the 4th of February 2008.
The initial bail date was December 21, it is not clear what the reason for the extension is, but it is likely that the police don’t have the strong evidence they would like to have.
In fact, the police returned the servers last week, not before deleting all the “evidence” that it held. The police made images of the servers, but it is doubtful if destroying OiNK’s property, and the original evidence is even legal.
The British and the Dutch police both contributed to what they named “Operation Ark Royal”, allegedly acting upon twisted information fed to them by the IFPI and the BPI, two well known anti-piracy organizations.
Among other things, the police claimed that OiNK was a money machine, and that Alan was making hundreds of thousands of pounds. However, everyone knows that OiNK was free to use and this fact was backed up by Trent Reznor, the frontman of Nine Inch Nails: “If OiNK cost anything, I would certainly have paid, but there isn’t the equivalent of that in the retail space right now.”
The IFPI and BPI did not only misinform the police, they also hijacked the OiNK.cd domain and displayed an ominous message indicating an investigation into the site’s users had begun. These propagandistic threats were supposed to scare former OiNK members, and they succeeded in this until OiNK reclaimed the domain.
What once was the best BitTorrent music tracker on the Internet is now gone and wont return. Although most of its members and releasing talent found a new homes by now, there is little doubt that the music industry will continue to alienate itself from their customers until they are dead and gone.
For those who want to help Alan out, there is an official OiNK legal defense fundraiser where money can be donated to cover the legal costs. If for some reason the money isn’t needed it will be donated to an animal charity. At this point it is still unclear what the charges against Alan will be, if there will be any at all.
Stay tuned.
Previously: US Anti-Piracy Bill Increases Penalties for Copyright Infringement
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83 Responses
This site is better imo.
http://www.stmusic.org
Haha, they got nothin, your gonna get out soon man, dont worry about those fags who put you in there, they will get what they deserve. Were all waiting for you.
hey #1,
invite?
:p
Glad to hear they extended Oink’s bail! I have found a new home, but I still miss oink every time I head to my new home
St music’s ok, what.cd is better IMHO.
stmusic sucks
I was never a member of oink.cd, and I’m trying to find a place to get started. Any suggestions?
EVERYONE!!!! Sorry for shouting but If we all wanna defeat the copyright police use Eraser 5.7, or 5.8.
Also encrypt your data With TrueCrypt so the police can’t find what your downloading, and always hide your pirated shit.
If you don’t wanna goto prison, anytime you feel you might have been traced erase your computer immediately.
I use a pirated version of Active Killdisk, and Dans Boot and Nuke disks to erase my tracks.
Erase Those Tracks! Erase Those Tracks! Erase Those Tracks!
try to get a what.cd or waffles invite. not as good as oink was, but its a start.
How about we institute a no-beg invite clause into posted comments. There’s usually decent commentary on here, and it’s been muddled by people who aren’t going to get responses anyway. It’s worse than trackbacks.
As much as I despise American politics, this bullshit isn’t confined to the U.S.A. It’s human nature. Rich fuckers will do everything they can to stick it to the lower class. The rich make the rules and that’s why these laws don’t make any sense. They’re not supposed to make sense, they’re supposed to generate dollars and cents for the rich.
I’ll trade an stmusic invite for a what.cd invite if anyone is interested.
I don’t really no where to get a what.cd invite… Or an invite to any other site for that matter.
It seems to me that the bittorrent community is rather closed unless you know someone who has an account on one of those sites.
Of course, it’s better than having seeders arrested left and right.
stupid cops. they sold themselves to the ifpi and the bpi and now that all is said and done, they cant back up any of thier lies. what a shock, i hope they all fucking die.
Sharing music isn’t theft (even though he didn’t share music, just ran a site that connected people to others who did), however taking someones servers is theft :/
stmusic sucks balls and can’t even compare.
hai guz culd u plz send invite 2 imhonest@really.com plz i was a gud uploader at oink.cd n stuf TRUST ME IM HONEST
>>17
HAHA OH WOW
R.I.P.
OiNK was one of the best things that EVER happened to music. It was the most efficient method of distributing high quality music to its audience that this world has ever seen. Yet the fascists who took it down seemingly fail to realize this. Instead of looking at what made OiNK so great and learning from it, they destroy it and offer us shitty alternatives such as i-tunes (whose highest quality mp3’s available were the lowest quality allowed on OiNK). Why pay when you can get something better for free?
As a result of OiNK I heard more music, got into to different artist’s and consequentially saw a lot more shows (which is where bands make most of their money anyway, along with merch). I AM LOST WITHOUT OiNK
FREE Alan Ellis!!!!
>> 16
>> 17
Oh my god. Can’t someone ban them?
Anyway, seems like the IFPI and BPI got what they wanted…
Oh man, that move on wipping his data was a bad idea on police behalf because:
1) Now if judge demands proof, he can say the police wiped his data.
2) If he is proved to be not guilty, he can sue the police for millions due to loss of revenue… well he could in the US anyway. ;-)
jesus you tards.
it’s not really that hard to get a what.cd invite; they hand them out in the irc.
and yes, stmusic licks balls like you wouldn’t even imagine.
[quote comment="232796"]Oh man, that move on wipping his data was a bad idea on police behalf because:
1) Now if judge demands proof, he can say the police wiped his data.
2) If he is proved to be not guilty, he can sue the police for millions due to loss of revenue… well he could in the US anyway. ;-)[/quote]
uh not quite.
his whole defense is “d00d i totalie wuznt maeking money off of itz”
AH, this entire situation pisses me off. These recording industries are starting to get on my nerves, and as such, I’ve boycotted buying CD’s alltogether. However, I still go to concerts and buy a ton of merchandise so I can give my money to who I want to have it; the amazing bands that make this amazing music.
I was a major demonoid user until it was shut down, and I never could find anybody who was willing to send me an invite to a private tracker. I would LOVE for somebody to send me one. I can GUARANTEE a ratio of at LEAST 1.5, and can likely get up to 5 if I like what I’m receiving. If you’d like to help me out, my msn is xlifeisfaytx@hotmail.com
With an on topic note, I cannot wait until the founder of OiNk returns. I’m likely going to donate a good $50 or so to aid his legal battle. He has my full support.
I wish all to the best to Alan and good luck, courage and patience.
I turn 18 on the 4th of February.
“Strangely enough all the data, and thus the evidence, has been wiped.”
but…
“The police made images of the servers”
So they *do* still have evidence, although I use the word ‘evidence’ lightly…
[quote comment="232835"]“Strangely enough all the data, and thus the evidence, has been wiped.”
but…
“The police made images of the servers”
So they *do* still have evidence, although I use the word ‘evidence’ lightly…[/quote]
Yeah.. that seems a bit suss.
They can now say anything was on there and Oink has no way to proove otherwise. Stinks of corruption.
[quote comment="232692"]I don’t really no where to get a what.cd invite… Or an invite to any other site for that matter.
It seems to me that the bittorrent community is rather closed unless you know someone who has an account on one of those sites.
Of course, it’s better than having seeders arrested left and right.[/quote]
Brilliant! Digital identities are sooooo easy to fake - just ask anyone on a dating website.
Real life fake id’s, including a significant history with someone who’s within the torrent community, however, are MUCH harder to fake.
So, yeah; I understand where you are coming from, but you’d basically have to prove you aren’t an opponent, and still not compromise yourself to the opponents: good luck.
I wonder what this whole deleting of “evidence” and making digital images means legally for the former Oinkers.
people who want private tracker invites and ask for them here are pretty stupid, do u even TRY looking for a tracker invite trading forum?? there are heaps of them, people at these places give out what.cd/stmusic invites like candy because there is no-one who wants to trade for them….the truth is that neither of these trackers are very good, although what.cd does have the potential of being good someday…use google it is your friend…it is extremely easy to get private tracker invites, just use your head
and don’t bother trying to get em’ on tf’s forum it’s just a bunch of lousy scammers
[quote comment="232842"][quote comment="232835"]“Strangely enough all the data, and thus the evidence, has been wiped.”
but…
“The police made images of the servers”
So they *do* still have evidence, although I use the word ‘evidence’ lightly…[/quote]
Yeah.. that seems a bit suss.
They can now say anything was on there and Oink has no way to proove otherwise. Stinks of corruption.[/quote]
Indeed. How can they delete something they dont even know is illigal?
cuz they’re teh fuzz.
To the person who said stmusic is better, You are a moron! You obviously were never an oink member because stmusic don’t have a fraction of the amount of music oink had. Nor does it have the quality. And yes, i am a member of stmusic as well as an ex oinker.
returning the servers with wiped disks may be reasonable given the circumstances the disks contained data supporting an alleged criminal activity. the police would have acted under very tight criteria to make the images
Alan’s solictors can naturally request copies of the images which the prosecution must in turn provide, as they must disclose to the defense all evidence
the data on the disks remains Alan’s property and should he be found not guilty the data will be returned. if the data mysteriously goes missing after the trial then as the UK Police are fond of saying “sue us”. Alan will not get anywhere suing the police in the UK
[quote comment="232792"]R.I.P.
OiNK was one of the best things that EVER happened to music. It was the most efficient method of distributing high quality music to its audience that this world has ever seen. Yet the fascists who took it down seemingly fail to realize this. Instead of looking at what made OiNK so great and learning from it, they destroy it and offer us shitty alternatives such as i-tunes (whose highest quality mp3’s available were the lowest quality allowed on OiNK). Why pay when you can get something better for free?
As a result of OiNK I heard more music, got into to different artist’s and consequentially saw a lot more shows (which is where bands make most of their money anyway, along with merch). I AM LOST WITHOUT OiNK
FREE Alan Ellis!!!![/quote]
Highest available bitrate for music purchased on iTunes is and has been 128kbps (AAC-m4a format). This is actually below the ~192kbps (regardless of format) bitrate allowed on OiNK.
I swear, if iTunes would sell in ALAC, they might make some business…
Anywho, just read the press release on the Cleveland Police site today (finally). Wow, they are so easily misled. Does none of law enforcement have any technical skills or at least sense not to be misled so easily?
cheers.
[quote comment="232648"]This site is better imo.
http://www.stmusic.org/quote
stmusic is nothing in compare with OiNK…
No doubt that you will be out soon man, just dont get raped while you’re in there >_<
So OiNK did not receive donations or display ads on the site?
You’d be amazed at how much cash is to be made just by ads alone. Then add the donations most sites seem to ask for these days.
Sure, there are server costs and all that, but nowhere near what I know some sites make a month.
Sharing stuff is all good, but do realize the people behind the servers (in most cases) do make a financial gain out of it.
This case will likely end up similar to the Sharereactor and Shareconnector busts. In both cases, the police - fed by gross distortions of hyped infringement claims - shut down the websites but were unable to get a criminal conviction.
But no matter, the tactic worked. Sharereactor and Shareconnector are dead and buried. The ordeal of going through a costly criminal trial will sap the enthusiasm of even the most ardent P2P idealists.
This proves that lies work. The entertainment industry will continue to lie and distort the facts, knowing that the police can easily be fooled into thinking that operating a non-profit P2P site is the same thing as running a massive Warez server and getting rich off it. Their lawyers choose their words very carefully so they can’t get themselves in trouble by filing a false police report.
I was a member of OinK, and it was a pretty good community, but all this “it was the best” bullshit, is just that. Bullshit.
Sure, when it went down, I missed it, but to be honest, when Demonoid went down, it effected the BT community a lot more than the fall of OinK(At least for .flac traders) Anything that could be found on OinK, could be found there, or at a similar place. I think the “OinK snobs” need to come down off their cloud and realize that OinK wasn’t the big dog on the block. 99% of everything found on OinK made it’s way to the rest of the bit-torrent world, and a lot of it was out elsewhere before it made it over to OinK. I guess some of my fellow OinKers just never bothered looking around enough to know this. Either that, or their heads were so far up the pigs ass, that they wouldn’t take the time to notice.
The downfall of OinK was a slight blow to the BT community, but the downfall of Demonoid(if it stays off-line), was more like an A-Bonb going off. Just as many pre-releases and hard to find torrents were shared over there.
In the end, we all lost out, so I guess it doesn’t matter who we think is better, but I am tired of reading about how OinK was so great, when in fact, I found it to be a rather snobbish community, that was far from being as great as advertised.
[quote comment="232799"]jesus you tards.
it’s not really that hard to get a what.cd invite; they hand them out in the irc.
and yes, stmusic licks balls like you wouldn’t even imagine.[/quote]
Agreed. STMusic is slow and has very little music that I care about. It’s all about scene releases. And what the fuck does the scene release that I give a shit about? The new Britney Spears or Kanye West record? Please..
What.cd seems like the best to me so far. In many ways it’s better than Oink, and the projects those guys are planning could revolutionize the protocol for everyone.
Is there really any need to slate StMusic on here? They are providing an excellent and free service which you should be grateful for, with a huge amount of high qulaity content that is growing by the day.
Having 3 excellent trackers available now is a progression and not an excuse to push your already pathetic elitest mentalities into the faces of others who are interested in supporting the community as a whole.
I’d love to see you little kiddies running back with your tail between your legs if your other alternatives ran into problems.
If you really think that being lucky enough to have invites to certain sites makes your e-penis bigger i would take a step back and look in the mirror.
and for christ sakes. lets move on past this constant “oh oink was better” mentality. yes it was, but in the future other trackers will equal and hopefully better it.
oink started something amazing. but if we sit here and dwell on it for ever more afterwards then we’re not concentrating on moving forward
[quote comment="233061"]So OiNK did not receive donations or display ads on the site?[/quote]
Receive donations? Yes.
Display ads? No.
there is nothing out there that is as good as oink was.
but if you are a member of lots of the excellent private sites around (and i’m not talking about those shitty scene sites) then you can pretty much find anything you’re looking for and discover lots of new music.
What sucks is since Oink has gone I haven’t been able to get an invite anywhere else :/
auction the server piece by piece with the evidence slips imo.
I have an invite to stmusic.org…
but I will never give it out to people nagging about it in public
because all the sites that came up as an “oink replacement” are overwhelmed and won’t open their invites.
a year without the christmastime free leech is a sad year…
Best of luck to the oink guys!
Lets get that hyrdra torrent shit rolled out now!!!!!
those stupid cops, dont ya think the oink admin would like one last christmas with his family(assuming he celebrates the bastardized holiday) before they throw away the key.
and why would they wipe the servers?
ya dont think he had backups hidden somewhere?
also now that the original is gone
they have nothing to compare the images to, can you say corruption?
and i agree with the statement above about oink, it fell and unless he gets it back up and running, we must move forward and improve what we still have.
Long Live Freedom!
I’ll pay for a what.cd invite
skylormatthew@yahoo.com
email me
and stop asking for invites here, its kinda annoying, if you cant go to the site and figure out a way to get an invite, you dont deserve to be on it.
I would love to have oink coming back someday.
I feel like an orphan, I lost oink and demonoid. Life is sucks now! :-(
[quote comment="233198"]those stupid cops, dont ya think the oink admin would like one last christmas with his family(assuming he celebrates the bastardized holiday) before they throw away the key.[/quote]
I find it highly doubtful he’ll spend any time in prison.
just to clear something up is the Oink admin in jail right now or walking the streets?
“just to clear something up is the Oink admin in jail right now or walking the streets?”
I was wondering the same thing. I thought he was in custody briefly the day of the raid and shortly after released on bail. Other information seems to indicate that he is still in custody?
[quote comment="233048"][quote comment="232792"][/quote]
Highest available bitrate for music purchased on iTunes is and has been 128kbps (AAC-m4a format). This is actually below the ~192kbps (regardless of format) bitrate allowed on OiNK.
I swear, if iTunes would sell in ALAC, they might make some business…
[/quote]
Actually i-tunes came out with select higher quality releases, 256 kbps AAC encoding, for a $1.30. Not that it really matters because itunes (and ipods) are a gigantic croc of shit ne way.
[quote comment="233437"]“just to clear something up is the Oink admin in jail right now or walking the streets?”
I was wondering the same thing. I thought he was in custody briefly the day of the raid and shortly after released on bail. Other information seems to indicate that he is still in custody?[/quote]
He’s on bail you berk.
It sucks that sites like OiNK and even Demonoid have been shut down. Since then I have pretty much lost all my good connections for quality downloads. It really sucks.
Mistrial, Destruction of evidence. If they copied the hard drives and then deleted the contents of the copied drives. Well not a leg to stand on because the now copied evidence is not evidence since it could have been corrupted or compromised.
Due to this the prosecution does not have a leg to stand on because the defense now has no evidence save what the prosecution provides. (the supposed copy) Therefore nothing should happen but someone better tell the admins and his defense about sue process and the process of handling of evidence because well…copy’s are not legitimate evidence. The original data is a different case.
My two cents worth.
@64
Lulz.
[quote comment="232648"]This site is better imo.
http://www.stmusic.org/quote
hahaha ….St is shit…
[quote comment="233638"]It sucks that sites like OiNK and even Demonoid have been shut down. Since then I have pretty much lost all my good connections for quality downloads. It really sucks.[/quote]
Go to a shop ….And stop killing the music !!!!!
[quote comment="233200"]I’ll pay for a what.cd invite
skylormatthew@yahoo.com
email me[/quote]
hmm….HOW MANY ? Lol :D
seriously , Waffles is way better.But you should try some digital store instead ;)
[quote comment="232819"]AH, this entire situation pisses me off. These recording industries are starting to get on my nerves, and as such, I’ve boycotted buying CD’s alltogether. However, I still go to concerts and buy a ton of merchandise so I can give my money to who I want to have it; the amazing bands that make this amazing music.
I was a major demonoid user until it was shut down, and I never could find anybody who was willing to send me an invite to a private tracker. I would LOVE for somebody to send me one. I can GUARANTEE a ratio of at LEAST 1.5, and can likely get up to 5 if I like what I’m receiving. If you’d like to help me out, my msn is xlifeisfaytx@hotmail.com
With an on topic note, I cannot wait until the founder of OiNk returns. I’m likely going to donate a good $50 or so to aid his legal battle. He has my full support.[/quote]
You are the biggest asshole wa can read here….If you have 50$ to spend , so BUY MUSIC.
You really sucks….
Fortunatly , there’s people who still buying mp3 or cds…
Just one thing :
Most u can find “for free” have been bought…and shared..
So : SHUT UP AND GO BACK HOME
[quote comment="233075"]I was a member of OinK, and it was a pretty good community, but all this “it was the best” bullshit, is just that. Bullshit.
Sure, when it went down, I missed it, but to be honest, when Demonoid went down, it effected the BT community a lot more than the fall of OinK(At least for .flac traders) Anything that could be found on OinK, could be found there, or at a similar place. I think the “OinK snobs” need to come down off their cloud and realize that OinK wasn’t the big dog on the block. 99% of everything found on OinK made it’s way to the rest of the bit-torrent world, and a lot of it was out elsewhere before it made it over to OinK. I guess some of my fellow OinKers just never bothered looking around enough to know this. Either that, or their heads were so far up the pigs ass, that they wouldn’t take the time to notice.
The downfall of OinK was a slight blow to the BT community, but the downfall of Demonoid(if it stays off-line), was more like an A-Bonb going off. Just as many pre-releases and hard to find torrents were shared over there.
In the end, we all lost out, so I guess it doesn’t matter who we think is better, but I am tired of reading about how OinK was so great, when in fact, I found it to be a rather snobbish community, that was far from being as great as advertised.[/quote]
I liked the community, despite it coming off as somewhat snobby. That being said, I disagree with your statement about the content.
Whenever I found a new band that I wanted to listen to, my first reaction was to check out their myspace. After that, or if there were no myspace or other samples, I would type “oink ” into my browser, and off I went. Oink had a fantastic database of content. You are wrong when saying that Oink were not essential compared to Demonoid - In fact, its the the other way around, atleast for me. Most of the time, Demonoid gave me none, while Oink most of the time actually had the album I was looking for. If not, I would request it, and at max, it took a couple days for it to be uploaded (apart from pre-release requests).
Besides, alot of the time, you could not be sure that the info in the torrent, the quality specified etc. were correct on demonoid.
I miss Oink so much. Even more so than I missed Audiogalaxy.
about the wiped servers
[quote comment="233044"]returning the servers with wiped disks may be reasonable given the circumstances the disks contained data supporting an alleged criminal activity. the police would have acted under very tight criteria to make the images
Alan’s solictors can naturally request copies of the images which the prosecution must in turn provide, as they must disclose to the defense all evidence
the data on the disks remains Alan’s property and should he be found not guilty the data will be returned. if the data mysteriously goes missing after the trial then as the UK Police are fond of saying “sue us”. Alan will not get anywhere suing the police in the UK[/quote]
I can see that there are cases where the police need special privileges like that to save lives, so be it; in America, “land of the junk lawsuit”, the cops ‘d be tied up in court 24/7 fighting greedy get-rich-quick jerks and their lawyers, instead of policing the streets.
But when they abuse their privileges, then it has to stop.
They are not legally untouchable; they are untouchable in British civil court. I should think that gross negligence [not following up on their responsibility to check that the victim was, in fact, committing illegal acts], theft [of servers and data], purgery [lying about the reasons for the erase], and corruption [somebody somewhere received something for sending the police on this illegal act], etc. are valid reasons to open a criminal court proceeding on these “officers of the law”;
and not necessarily the blokes who walk the beat and break up the domestic disturbances, but rather their bosses, who take orders from outside their rightful chain of command.
Anyway, that’s what I think; if the police are untouchable in civil court, then contest them in criminal court, and remove the rotten apples who are keeping the beat cops from pursuing _real_ crime [I've heard horror stories from a brit police man's son...]
Perhaps someone should open a fund raising to collect money to put towards sueing them for this joke of a ‘police investigation’. Refer to crimson’s post for all the reasons…
stm is cool. it’s still not at OiNK standard of course, but constantly improving.
They have new mods (former OiNK’ers) who maintain the quality of content. Reportet torrents are wiped out very quickly.
In the end, I think it would be best for all if we’ll get multiple trackers at OiNK level sometime in the future. All available trackers are currently far from OiNK level, but what did you expect? This takes some time…
I think all 3 of the “new” sites (What, Waffles, STMusic) are ALL good and each has something unique to offer! I also just discovered Libble. The hydra lives on!!
[quote comment="232679"]EVERYONE!!!! Sorry for shouting but If we all wanna defeat the copyright police use Eraser 5.7, or 5.8.
Also encrypt your data With TrueCrypt so the police can’t find what your downloading, and always hide your pirated shit.
If you don’t wanna goto prison, anytime you feel you might have been traced erase your computer immediately.
I use a pirated version of Active Killdisk, and Dans Boot and Nuke disks to erase my tracks.
Erase Those Tracks! Erase Those Tracks! Erase Those Tracks![/quote]
why hide something you do if it isn’t wrong?
kyvxqmcp xafgop tzbgmwk jyhpi gpecdq jdwha ydxlsw
[quote comment="232648"]This site is better imo.
http://www.stmusic.org/quote
invite? …plz?
stmusic is not that cool. it is horrible. i always try to give it the benefit of the doubt, but it has so many problems that i cant pretend it is good anymore. obviously a great idea like any torrent site, but if you have ever used it you will know it’s not very good, they have a long way to go, and ill probably be long gone to something better by the time it is any good.
and for christ’s sake PLEASE STOP ASKING FOR INVITES ON HERE
Hahaha. So “the police would have acted under very tight criteria” would they?
These are the same police that were asking Mr. Ellis newbie-level questions after his arrest? These are the same authorities who handed the server IP to the IFPI/BPI to put up a threatening substitute home page, something that was certainly not legal since no charges had been issued and the warrant and seizure was for investigation. The police are a joke, a bunch of fools playing in an area way outside of their expertise.
They did accomplish their objective (BPI/IFPI): OiNK was shut down, almost certainly forever.
And according to articles and posts I recall from the weeks following the takedown, Mr. Ellis indicated that he was released on his own recognizance after a few hours of question. (No bail posted, just signature and agreement to appear as required.)
Brit Cops SUCK
Hi i was a former user if oink…can anyone help me with the invitation of what.cd or stmusic?? Please!!!my email is jeremy_whatever@hotmail.com
Oink is for infidels, you pig loving arsetards. Ahhallah ackkbarrrr!!
three good reasons for torrents …
(there may be more)
1. When you buy a movie/cd/vinyl you are not buying a piece of plastic you are buying the right to listen to or view the music or movie contained in that ‘plastic’ packaging.
Having over the years bought many LPs made from poor quality recycled vinyl, original movies recorded on cheap VHS tape and bought CDs that we were told would last forever. I suggest therefore that I have a right to obtain free of charge from wherever I can ‘clean’ (digital) updates of music and movies I have already purchased. Oink was an excellent source for many of the more obscure 1960s and 1970s music already in my collection and also for many no longer available elsewhere.
2. Avoiding Music and Movie business hype.
Having listened many times to the man with the deep voice telling me to go buy/see the latest comedy/adventure/blockbuster and been sadly disappointed that I have wasted my money on a load of crap. I can now dl a reasonable copy, watch it and then if I enjoy it I can go buy it. Many of my DVDs and CDs in my collection are as a result of this.
3. I don’t have to listen to the radio and the inane ramblings of DJs.
I could dl music via sites like Oink check it out and if I like it go buy it. Many of my CDs and movies I would not have bought had I not downloaded them first
Maybe when the record and movie industry’s massive piles of cash have dwindled enough for them to see over them to the real world they may begin to understand the meaning of the word ‘progress’.
hey previous OiNK user here. I would really appreciate a waffles invite if anyone would be kind enough to send me an invite. thanks! haas1cm@cmich.edu
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