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Piracy and The Music Industry, The Voices Of Artists Matter

While the RIAA and file-sharers have been slugging it out in settlement agreements and high-profile legal actions in recent years, at times the voices of the artists themselves have been drowned out. Some, however, have been so loud it has proven impossible to ignore them. Whether they love file-sharing, hate it, or sit happily on the fence, the opinions of artists matter.

Over the years we have covered dozens of artists who’ve spoken out on piracy. From Lily Allen, through 50 Cent to Radiohead, all have voiced their opinion on the topic. While quotes on piracy were relatively rare 5 years ago, nowadays artists are commenting on the issue weekly, reaching a point where we stopped covering every artist who does so.

There is, however, someone who plans to keep on going. TorrentFreak reader Miranda B has created Pirate Verbatim, a platform where she hopes to document the voices of artists tied up in the file-sharing debate.

“Something I noticed is that most of us hadn’t heard a single word from any of the artists themselves,” she explains. “The label executives tell you how they think the musicians feel, and the torrenters tell you how they feel themselves. One large part of the debate was missing…I did the research so you don’t have to.”

Currently the site has the opinions of 72 different artists, from the very large to the comparatively small. Miranda tells us she’ll keep adding more as they appear and may even branch out to offer twice-weekly links to artist-approved downloads. Below are some notable quotes, and we’re looking forward to see many more.

Let’s start with KISS frontman Gene Simmons, who was subjected to a DDoS attack from angry Anonymous members last week.

gene“How are you going to get paid for it if people can just get it for free? The record industry doesn’t have a fucking clue how to make money,” said an angry Simmons back in 2007.

“It’s only their fault for letting foxes get into the henhouse and then wondering why there’s no eggs or chickens. Every little college kid, every freshly-scrubbed little kid’s face should have been sued off the face of the earth. They should have taken their houses and cars and nipped it right there in the beginning.”

Roll forward into 2010 and it seems little has changed for the KISS frontman.

“Make sure your brand is protected. Make sure there are no incursions. Be litigious. Sue everybody. Take their homes, their cars. Don’t let anybody cross that line.”

His uncompromising stance made him a target for Operation Payback, but not all artists with an anti-filesharing stance get punished in such a public way (except perhaps Lily Allen), but many do believe in punishing others.

“I hope he rots in jail. It’s going to affect the sales of the record, and it’s not fair,” said Slash from Guns N’ Roses when he found out that Kevin Cogill had made Chinese Democracy available on the net. “The Internet is what it is, and you have to deal with it accordingly, but I think if someone goes and steals something, it’s theft.”

The notion that copyright infringement is the same as theft is nothing new and was even touted way back in 2002 by Britney Spears.

brit“Would you go into a CD store and steal a CD?” questioned Spears in an industry-funded advert. “It’s the same thing, people going into the computers and loggin’ on and stealing our music.”

While it is very easy to strongly take one side or the other in the piracy debate, some artists are much more pragmatic. Although he hadn’t adopted a pro-piracy stance by any means, in 2009 MC Hammer cried for a stop to the music industry lawsuits against file-sharers.

”The approach that the music industry took to fight piracy was the wrong strategy,” he said, adding that the RIAA’s legal battles against file-sharers only alienated paying customers. Hammer also went on to criticize efforts to make ISPs responsible for their users.

”When there is a murder done with the gun, do they go back to the guy who sold the gun at the store and arrest him? No they don’t. They arrest the person who did it. So in this particular case, somebody is stealing content using the freeway. You can’t go back and sue the construction men.”

While Hammer carefully sat on the fence throwing stones down on either side, other artists haven’t bothered with such a balancing act.

“We all grew up in the age of downloading music illegally, we’re products of that culture,” said Vampire Weekend’s Rostam Batmanglij in a CNN interview. “I personally believe that if you want music to be free, then it should be. Because people should do as they feel.”

Of course, what many music downloaders love the feel of is pre-release material. It should come as no surprise that many artists despise the fact that music can be made available this way on file-sharing networks, but surprisingly some of them positively encourage it.

“We leaked the whole record before it came out,” said Green Day’s Mike Dirnt about their album 21st Century Breakdown.

“We couldn’t stand people not hearing it anymore. At the end of the day, if you write a good enough record, people are going to pick it up. Steal the damn record, I don’t care. If some kid doesn’t have any money and his buddy gives him a copy of the record. . . he’ll pick it up when he’s 20.”

Want to know if your favorite artist has spoken out on piracy? Head over to Pirate Verbatim.

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  • mike

    Great story TF

  • anom-a-lous

    Shoplifting and copying a digital file are 2 very different things.

    Obviously shoplifting is wrong, as you’ve taken a physical product for free, which cannot be purchased by someone else.

    Copying a digital file is simply that, copying, the original is still there.

    When will these stupid artists and record companies realise.

  • Anonymous

    @2
    Implying their piece of shit ‘music’ classifies as “art” to begin with.

  • Me

    Nice article! ;)

  • Anonymous

    Well done article. Hopefully the musicians understand what a few of their peers already realized years ago.

  • no

    I don’t really give a fuck what some musician things of “piracy”. Chances are they don’t even understand it (for example, lumping a kid sharing a song with a friend or downloading an album from the internet versus Malaysian organized crime rings fabricating and selling manufactured CDs with copyrighted content, which is ACTUAL PIRACY).

    Are we really going to put free speech, copyright law, intellectual property rights, fair use, public domain, and other political and legal discussions and rule at the behest of someone who does lines of coke and strums a guitar for two hours a few times a week?

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  • Anonymous

    > “Would you go into a CD store and steal a CD?”

    No, but I would go into a CD store and copy a CD.

  • GREATNESS

    yea music and ebooks are sharing but games and softwares are stealing.

  • trustnoone

    Great article I’m happy MC hammer took a good stance on everything

  • Reggit

    Didnt see anything on Trent Reznor on “Pirate Verbatim” – Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails – My Hero!!! ….and also one of the few bands i have PAYED to see live =)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ5iHaV0dP4&feature=player_embedded#!

  • Freedom

    “We leaked the whole record before it came out,” said Green Day’s Mike Dirnt about their album 21st Century Breakdown.

    “We couldn’t stand people not hearing it anymore. At the end of the day, if you write a good enough record, people are going to pick it up. Steal the damn record, I don’t care. If some kid doesn’t have any money and his buddy gives him a copy of the record. . . he’ll pick it up when he’s 20.”

    ——–

    And that is why Green Day remains a popular band through and through! They are an amazing band and I suggest anyone that hasnt seen them in concert yet, to do so!

    +10 Green Day – keep up the great work!

  • Space

    Gene if your asshole cd was shit. I wouldn’t buy it so download then buy cd

  • Anonymous

    @9 Reggit

    check page 4
    http://pirateverbatim.com/page/4/

  • Johnny

    Great work Miranda B! Very useful site for reference purposes. I am sure I will on many occasion point people to it.

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  • Aussie

    Sheesh, how many times does it need to be pointed out the the industry (RIAA and artists alike) that the world has changed significantly since CD’s/vinyl were the prime distribution source.

    Green Day get it, and they are up among the biggest bands in the world. As popular and iconic as KISS are though, they seem to want to stay in the 80′s.

    Dont they get that with internet comes much wider exposure to their brand, along with easier access to that same brand? They cant have one without the other. And thats where the problems start.

    They need to recognise that the world has moved from physical media to digital, and with that profits from the music itself are going to be lower.

    The money is now in the live shows, and for big bands, there’s more to be made than ever. For the small bands screaming foul, they should remember that the wider exposure means they can play more shows in more diverse markets, and make their money that way.

    Alternative music has never had it this good. Not when a no hit wonder can charge $70 a ticket (or more) for a theatre show.

    I saw it explained a while ago that there is no value in the music itself now. Digital media has no uniqueness, and as a result has little intrinsic value. Live music on the other hand is a limited commodity, and people are willing to pay for that.

    One ticket to one show can cost more than every album you ever buy for that band, and thats saying something about where the money is, especially when you’re talking about world tours and the 10′s of millions of fans played to.

  • Caveman

    If Britney Spears and Metallica and U2 would earn minimum wage each month I would feel sorry for them. But they earn more than a 1000 people together each year with only performing live around the world. Come on people don’t be so hypocrite. It’s stealing from BOTH sides. The poorer side is just winning some territory the last decade or so.

  • kh

    > “Would you go into a CD store and steal a CD?”

    I’d go into a CD store and steal a CD if I only had to touch the CD and minutes later it was mine, and the CD store still had their CD:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcOdNc_seyM

  • Anonymous

    Boy, oh, boy. All I do all day long is download songs of Britney F*ckin’ Spears. XD

    Strangely how artists and the music industry don’t acknowledge how THEY are STEALING from us by telling us it’s a good album and it turns out to be a turd with coconut-sprinkles on the top. People don’t make THAT much money with honest labor…

  • Sketch@1337x.org

    no i wouldnt steal a cd, or even pay for one, i dont even own a cd player other than the dvd burner on my pc, its all in my truck that has a usb port for an mp3 player……..thats the point RIAA….your trying to shove that cd up my ass, and im clenching tight, cuz i have no use for it……….DOH!!!!!

  • pronobozo

    If someone wants to charge for their music and you take it without paying(digital or not), then they have a reason to be mad. It’s up to them how they want to release it.

    But with that said, we have another method, creative commons, lots of people are on it, find them and listen to them. Every minute you are listening to a creative commons artist, is a minute you are giving that supports that system. So go do it, I dare you.

    We live in a free world where people get to choose what they want to do and it’d be nice if people supported both systems. Free and not free.

    Go to pronobozo.com to find out what side I am on :) . self promo of course :p

  • Truther

    The only ones who seem to think piracy hurts sales are the ones who have…
    A. Already made millions.
    B. Can’t make good music anymore.
    C. Slaves of the record labels.

  • Ninja

    Nice article TF! While we do respect those who don’t agree with file sharing (although many have no argument to support their point of view) there are always arseholes like Gene that makes you hate them with passion ;)

    Nice initiative, let’s see how it develops!

  • Aussie

    You’re right pronobozo, in a certain light it IS theft and they do have a right to be mad. Pro-sharers hide behind the veil of it being copying, not theft, but frankly its a weak disguise. That doesnt mean I disagree by the way, far from it, but its an excuse at best to justify questionable actions.

    The argument from the artists point of view hides a serious shortcoming in the music industry though. Simply being, they are trying to hold on to an old model.

    Gene Simmons expects the world to stand still, and not progress in any way. He wants albums and CD’s to be the prime mover of music for his brand, rather than the smaller sales through downloading individual tracks.

    Why would someone pay $12 for an album when they only want 2-4 songs and there is an alternative that gives that?

    For me, the biggest fault in Gene Simmons Sue Em All arguments is thats exactly what the industry did with Napster, Bear Share, etc and all that happened was a third party (Apple with iTunes) stepped in and took profit the industry could have had if they had been proactive.

    Now, you’re starting to see the same thing with Netflix and Hulu, with many others mimicing them around the globe. Sue the customer, the general population will do what they can to give money to a third party rather than the creators – Apple in the past, Netflix and Hulu now. And how does that help them generate profit?

    Your site is another example by the way, props to you. So you’re right – it would be nice if people supported both models. Until that happens though, the argument wont end.

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  • gbhgbgv

    it comes down to where the artists that arent heard enough want their music out for free ta be heard so ppl can buy their cd at their concert n buy their merchandise, ppl have ta realize its that simple other call piracy jus plain stealing, its up ta u ta decide which is the right way, im doin the itunes way now, leaves me with a good state of mind

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  • f**K Gene Simmons

    Shouldn’t Gene Simmons be dead aleady? I no longer like him, nor kiss.That’s really hard to say.But it’s people like him with his over inflated ego!!!That seem to forget without the fanS you are nothing but dust in the wind.
    @ 6 I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.
    I don’t want to sell someones work nor do many of us.Secondly file sharing helps because millions upons millions of people are out there and most likely they might buy that cd.
    BUt we are in the times where cd’s are the thing of the past.
    The riaa seems to think they own the world both artist and consumers.
    i say bullsh*t!!!!!
    Get with the times you scumbags and remeMber without the consumers artist like gene simmons metalica slash etc wouldn’t have fame.

  • Anonymous

    @Aussie
    “You’re right pronobozo, in a certain light it IS theft”

    Filesharing isn’t theft in any light. The only way it looks like stealing is from a delusional standpoint. You might as well be saying that, in a certain light, cats ARE dogs.

    BTW, where did pronobozo say anything about filesharing being theft in a certain light? I must’ve missed it.

    @Aussie
    “Pro-sharers hide behind the veil of it being copying, not theft, but frankly its a weak disguise. That doesnt mean I disagree by the way, far from it, but its an excuse at best to justify questionable actions.”

    It’s nothing but a weak disguise, but you agree with it? What the hell?

    @Gene Simmons
    “How are you going to get paid for it if people can just get it for free? ”

    Well, you’re still getting paid even though people can just get your music for free, so it must all be working out somehow, don’t you think?

    It’s nice to see you’re such an upstanding citizen, though, Gene. I bet you’ve never, ever stolen drugs. I’m sure you’ve always paid your dealers. If only we could be as law abiding as you, Mr. Simmons.

  • Dear Gene,

    When you’re threatening poor people, you have to pick something other than money to threaten them with. They have little or none to take in the first place. If they had a grand surplus of money to spend on a washed-up hasbeen’s albums rather than downloading them, don’t you think they would?

    I ended up with a $27,000 judgment against me a few years ago in a civil suit unrelated to file sharing, part of which was the other prick’s attorney’s fees. Cost me about $300 to file for bankruptcy to make it disappear. I was allowed to keep everything I owned except for that seemingly random number with a trail of zeroes they called a judgment.

    Sure it fucked up my (already wrecked) credit. Sure it was a pain in my ass. Did it deter me from doing the exact same thing again? Not really. Not at all. Business as usual, and if anything, it left me more callous and feeling invincible to their brand of “justice”. How do you kill that which has no life? How you ruin someone who was already on the verge of ruination?

    People with nothing to lose can threaten Gene Simmons with lawsuits because he has something to lose in court, not the other way around. What would you take if you won? Their nothing? Good luck with that… I’m sure it’ll look boss up on your mantle next to your “I used to be important 20 years ago” award.

  • anon

  • Blackplan

    People need to start disassociating file-sharing with theft, because it’s not the same thing.

  • Mark

    @25

    Simmons sold out a long time ago.

    He’s nothing but another dried up has-been the world could do without.

  • @

    “We couldn’t stand people not hearing it anymore. At the end of the day, if you write a good enough record, people are going to pick it up. Steal the damn record, I don’t care. If some kid doesn’t have any money and his buddy gives him a copy of the record. . . he’ll pick it up when he’s 20.”

    Some people does not always have a shitload of money ffs.

  • Whatever

    It cannot be said of some of the artists that they actually have an opinion when they are drafted by the MAFIAA to speak for the MAFIAA (Did Lily Allen end her career yet ?).

    If those pro MAFIAA extremists like KISS that advocate huge punishments for a trivial thing like sharing would follow their own ideas about law then 90 percent of ‘artists’ would serve a life sentence by now. At the moment they seem to get away with crimes like drunk driving, using drugs and probably a lot of other things which are much worse than their ‘art’ being shared. 100 percent of rappers would be locked up as they all seem to have a criminal background (generalized, but so does the MAFIAA put together: sharing, pirates, terrorism, counterfeiting)

  • Whatever

    @Looked at pirateverbatim / first page / U2 / Bono
    “the people it hurts are the creators — in this case, the young, fledgling songwriters who can’t live off ticket and T-shirt sales”

    LOL or cry at the hypocrisy. How he omits who the people are that forget to share their riches with those songwriters from the “ticket and T-shirt sales” in the first place. Don’t think anyone will mind if they decided to “share” some of it with their songwriters.

  • Whatever

    Small error: Should have been without the “@” or without “Looked at”.

  • sully

    nice idea

  • G

    Are you guys seriously arguing with Britney Spears?

  • here this

    maybe the post office should start suing citizens for email (getting around the mailing fees)since it does not pass threw their hands.

    Oh wait, sounds to me the post office has begun to be antiquated a bit when it comes to sending letters.

    However they are now losing money with the lack of letters being mailed they will need to find another way, if they are too continue too operate.

    Even though they do not have a copyright on mail they have been the means to distribute mail for a couple hundred years now. No one would have expected the US postal service to be suffering because of the lack of mailings. Here we are today and they are suffering from the lack of mailings.

    Technology has done this and there is a huge list of industries that have suffered similar fates. Even AT&T (Ma Bell)at one time refused to work with the new tech (cell phones) in fear they would lose their monopoly on phone services. The government forced them too break up to expand this tech that was being suppressed.

    Technically the RIAA is a monopoly. If an artist wants to be popular they must sign with a RIAA affiliate to be successful. Now comes the interent has allowing the ability of an artist to be noticed without the likes of a RIAA affiliate. I tell you this is what they fear! The loss of their monopoly over the industry. The very same reason AT&T fought so hard to stop cell phones. Can you say “Antiquated”?

  • AnarchyNow

    We don’t give a shit about what these millionaires “artists” “think” because it’s obvious they never ever think once in their life just like they never made anything actually _real_ except selling overpriced pieces of solid oil pollution that 100% american bullshit propaganda.
    Copyright & patent laws are killing people and making people have a miserable life, and it’s now obvious to everybody :
    PROPERTY IS THEFT, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS GENOCIDE!

  • powerless consumer

    It must be mentioned Trent Reznor of NiN was a member and public supporter of oink.cd
    Note that.
    The BBC were filming in the back of the police car as Allan Ellis was arrested at his home.
    Question that.

  • Anon

    Stupid piracy thieves should be put behind bars and left to rot.

    @2
    Yes piracy is theft. Get real. Trying to justify the act by saying you are only “copying” is ridiculous as you haven’t taken the owner’s permission to copy.

    Never thought a day would come when thieves would start trying to justify their criminal acts. What a sad world we live in, stealing and sharing stuff that doesn’t even belong to you and thinking you have done nothing wrong.

  • @ Anon

    Lol. Obvious troll.

    But I’ll say this, where the hell have you been?

    This is 2010. We have governments lie all the time. Politicians line their pockets and side with lobbyist while screwing the tax paying people. Wars launched over oil. And you’re saying “never thought a day would come when thieves start trying to justify their criminal acts”. LOL! You are so lame it’s too funny.

    Thanks though. I seriously needed a laugh early in the morning and you just provided it.

    And please don’t respond to this, ANON. Because seriously, my side hurts from laughing. I can’t take any more funny nonsense. It’ll kill me.

  • Anon

    I wouldn’t expect rich low IQ no talent artists like Brittany spears to understand the basics of existing.. nevertheless file sharing..

  • Bill

    I am willing to pay for good quality, hassel free music tracks and I suspect a lot of people feel the same. What I find disappointing is that the RIAA and some of the artists use the advantages of their position, to over charge. It’s hard to feel sympathy for someone with assets and income in the millions, who is part of this rip off, complaining they aren’t getting their fair share.

    I don’t use file sharing techniques and I think that artists should get paid, as should anyone who works. But while they continue to use their power to grab as much as they can, my sympathies are with the file sharers.

  • Anon

    @41

    Yeah laugh away, thief. Doesn’t change the fact that you are still a criminal who steals from honest artists trying to make a living.

    @42

    May be Britney is a talentless hack but that doesn’t mean there aren’t other talented artists out there. Infact there are plenty whose songs are worth buying but then again you’re just a freeloading thief.

  • f**K Gene Simmons

    I forgot to mention i am a musician myself and thinking in a positive light file sharing helps musicians that’s what the Internet is for if it were stealing the only way it would be stealing is doing everything like redistributing and selling making copies and all the other bull-honky crap!

    “WHEN A MUSICIAN BECOMES MUSICIAN IS WHEN PEOPLE LIKE THEIR MUSIC AND REGARDLESS IF IT’S THE INTERNET OR NOT IF IT’S FILE SHARING OR NOT.”

    People will like you and pay for your music watch your shows go to your concerts tours etc etc etc.

    So please please please please tell me, how you are losing out in money? When you are already there making millions and then whinning boohoo!!

    I’m not making money.Why don’t you use some of that money for creative things like helping getting the homeless off the street help natural disaster victims etc etc. Instead of buying that new expensive car house boat and other crap to boost your inflated egos.
    So remember there are many types of musicians out there, that don’t care about file sharing and using it as a tool and then there are the scum that are so ego driven maniacs that don’t deserve the publics appreciation for them and live by the old ways.
    I think I’m going to make a Youtube video I’m heated by this discussion.

  • ahem

    Pink Floyd has always been the voice of reason, and this time they’re no exception :)

    (I read the whole site, PF’s comment was the icing on the cake)

  • Anonymous

    @23 Aussie:

    > in a certain light it IS theft

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FromACertainPointOfView

  • old hippie

    Tell Gene not to worry, no one wants to pirate Kiss albums.

  • Anonymous

    @Delusional Anon

    “Yes piracy is theft. ”

    No, piracy isn’t theft. It might be according to your insane fantasies, but frankly they don’t count. What counts is reality. And in reality, something that doesn’t involve theft – like, you know, copying a file – can’t be theft. Because it lacks the whole THEFT part.

    But reality is kind of a stranger to you, isn’t it?

    Maybe you should seek help.

  • ahem

    Second comment here. I’ve noticed that the artists who are washed-up, no-talent, has-beens/never-weres who are greedy are typically the ones opposed to it..Slash, Gene Simmons, John Mellencamp, Britney. South Park passed the right message when they had their episode about this whole fuss – They’re just about the money.

    But at the same time, it’s kinda stupid to just sit here and fight with the trolls about it. If they dont like it and want to bicker, who cares? Worst thing you can do is argue back and give them a reason to continue standing on their soapbox.

    I think the majority of us agree that even the mightiest of trolls eventually get bored. Galtshrugged was a HUGE one on digg, even he went away after we all wrote him off. Haven’t seen Reasoned Mind in a while, something tells me he was on the same payroll as Neo^Styles; the two were always seen together.

    Anyway, music as an art will always survive; The ones who are greedy and egotistical will simply fade away in the end. The radio is a great example: Always a one-hit wonder, popular for a week or a month, then forgotten about forever. That’s not music, music is meant to survive and be about the music..The money comes to those who have worked hard and deserve it. IMHO: If I were in a band and I made people happy just playing a few live shows every now and then but the music was quality that people talked about, I wouldn’t care about the money.
    The internet is changing the market forces, but the concept is still the same.
    So to the trolls: You can say whatever you want as often as you want – You have that right, and I in fact support you in whatever obscenities you wish to call the filesharing community, because I believe in Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Choice.
    But you have to be understanding that it wont change a thing at the end of the day. Life on the internet will simply carry on without you.

  • pirates r’us

    Can’t believe some of this shit i’m reading “file sharing is theft” what a crock of shit!!!
    if it was, the police would be sent to arrest everyone caught, not some asshat such as ACS law sending some b/s demand for your cash, and it being a civil matter not a criminal one

  • f**K Gene Simmons

    @Ahem
    Very well said (AS FOR Gene Simmons) he needs to keep his tongue in his mouth.He’s not a young guy anymore more like an old fart pedo /perv and honestly scary to be quite honest.He should be going to a senior citizens home pretty soon.THANK GOD :p

  • Anonymous

    So downloading a compressed bad quality audio format (MP3) constitute as theft? If they want to be anal retentive about it, they should re define it as 1/3 theft. If anyone that has been robbed it is the customers, they have been forced into listening and buying piles of crap produced by mainstream music.

  • Anonymous

    What file sharing do is removing the BS. So those without talent such as this old foggy parasite of Gen Simon sustained only by the BS he pompously call branding and marketing will not survive.

    This is why this fate bitch of gene Simone as well as Britney slut oppose P2P but not PinkFloyd.

  • Predator

    The last album of Gen Simon was an abomination.

  • Rabbi Wicked Lester

    It’s interesting to note that KI$$ have always been a terrible band. Since the quality of the “music” just wasn’t there, Mr. Chaim Witz & Co. have had to rely heavily on cheap gimmicks like makeup, fancy lighting, pyrotechnics and whatever else could distract the listener away from their horrid noise. It’s called “a show,” I believe. This bloated egomaniac even sued King Diamond for “copying” his pretty makeup when in fact, he copied Alice Cooper long before Diamond ever recorded anything… Even his name is “borrowed” from the Rockabilly artist Jumpin’ Gene Simmons. Bloody thieving hypocrite. Moreover, how many “farewell tours” have KI$$ had? Yeah, let’s fake another band breakup and steal from our devoted fans. The party’s over, “Gene” – it’s 2010 and plastic discs aren’t cutting it. Ever heard of an MP3 player? Here’s an idea – sue Apple for “facilitating copyright infringement.” Good luck with that, Mr. Witz. $halom.

  • Aussie

    @Anonymous (comment 26) – fair enough, thats your opinion. I simply stated mine. I can see why artists consider downloading as theft, and my opinion is the one that matters to me. If you disagree, best of luck to you.

    I have no illusions that the downloading being talked about is legal, and even as a downloader I cringe when I hear that being used as an excuse. Like speeding on an empty road – it doesnt make it right just because there isnt anyone around.

    pronobozo mentioned artists having reason to be mad, I was agreeing with that sentiment. By the sentiment he voiced, sharing IS theft. My opinion, and by the decisions made in plenty of places, one shared by many governments.

    Please dont get me wrong, I’m all FOR sharing – the world has moved on from when the prime generator of profit for musicians was physical media. That doesnt mean taking even a COPY of something someone created and shared, without compensating them for it is OK.

    I knew my comment would get a reaction. Sadly, it was the expected one where a pirate agressively defends the actions of himself and other downloaders.

    I justify video downloading by the fact I have purchased over 1000 movies and TV series over the years – I use downloading as a screening exercise to see if something is worth the money. But I dont try to justify a very grey act with a loophole like “copying isnt theft”.

    I could go on, but it would only fuel the argument. I’m not saying you’re not entitled to your opinion, far from it – you most definitely are, and trust me, I’m not being all industry nazi on people for having it.

    Its just that my own personal moral compass is willing to admit that part of the industry argument has a tiny portion of merit. Scary part is that portion, as small as it is, is being listened to where it can do the most harm.

  • Toasty

    I have one question to ask to most of these artists supporting Anti-Piracy – Will your shit still matter, when you’re all dead? I don’t think so.

    Then again, some of you aren’t exactly making any good music lately. On top of that, your record labels are expecting consumers to choke down lots of money for a craptastic CD you’ve made. Maybe some of us like one song or two from certain albums of yours and that’s it. Are we really going to bother the effort of wasting money buying a whole album just so we could have those said couple songs?

    I don’t think so, I think it’s fair play for some to download them.

    Maybe if some of those artists out there would actually put some decent effort onto making a good album that isn’t kissing ass for money, maybe we might consider buying it. But until then, and until the record labels out there realize that their efforts are pointless (Which I’m sure they never will.) then everyone is going to continue downloading.

  • rob8urcakes

    @37 by here this, who said,
    “Technically the RIAA is a monopoly. If an artist wants to be popular they must sign with a RIAA affiliate to be successful. Now comes the interent has allowing the ability of an artist to be noticed without the likes of a RIAA affiliate. I tell you this is what they fear! The loss of their monopoly over the industry.”

    I agree 100% my friend because the biggest enemy of the upcoming artiste isn’t filesharing (or even the RIAA and their evil contracts, though that’s debatable), it’s anonymity.

    The internet and filesharing is changing the landscape, and the RIAA et al are yet again refusing to get with the changing technology because it’s a legitimate threat to their profit-making machine. Boo-fecken-hoo.

  • KSE

    You will never stop piracy, never. We can continue to play this game or we can figure out new ways to make money with music.

    Anyone, and I mean anyone that believes they can stop file sharing or illegal downloading needs to realize it will never happen. So you stop it via the internet…will you stop someone from allowing someone else to make copies of a CD? File sharing has been going on before the internet ever came into play.

    Once a person has your music, they will do what they want with it. Does anyone seriously think they can police and sue the population of the world?

    Music has forever changed and the way it’s used will never be controlled by anyone, unless something like the following can be implemented:

    The only way I can see for some control or help is to require everyone to pay an annual license fee each year per filer when they file their income taxes. This would be similar to what clubs and music venues do now. It would not have to be a large fee because of the shear number of people. I can assure you the total collections would be higher than what is now collected in royalties. Of course since all this money goes into a ‘kitty’, a formula as to how each artist is paid would be relative easy to figure. When you can’t control something, you have to have a way to impose an annual license fee / filer. An annual license fee would generate more music revenue than has ever been generated in the history of music. A $100 annual fee / filer would generate 25 billion in annual sales just in the U.S.A. On a global scale the annual license revenue would exceed anything ever in music’s history.

    This license fee would allow unlimited downloads of music for each license.

    The other way is for each artist/label to become very creative in their packaging by adding ‘value’ to the CD. But, you will still have file sharing.

  • @KSE

    I don’t listen to music from the RIAA. I don’t buy it. I don’t download it. I am often offended when I am forced to listen to music in restaurants or during a TV show because I know, somehow, those greedy degenerates are profiting from it. I gave up on any related music in 2003 when the RIAA started suing people and I refuse to support theirs, or any similar racket, in any way.

    Why should I pay them anything at all? They can all starve for all I care… in fact, that is something I would find mildly entertaining and might break out my wallet to see live.

  • munter

    I love ‘stealing’ from record companies so i can help stop those fat exec cnuts from buying another beamer or holiday in tuscany, then maybe they’ll stop forcing their latest ‘music’ down my ears! As for movies, oh do fuck off pls, 99% of them are a pile of rehashed hypershite, performed by talentless turds who think that fart jokes, explosions and torture are actually called acting.

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  • djc

    Pink Floyd has the right attitude. They can get away with this. Why? Because their shit is actually GOOD and worth paying for. Turning a 20 something on to an album like “Ummagumma” : PRICELESS! I know of 2 whom I gave the album to in FLAC and they both ended up buying it anyway.

    As for Guns n Roses, Axl can’t even get along with his own band. How do you combine talent in a situation like that?

    And I am sick of classic rock stations playing John Cougar Mellencamp. Come on man. That shit ain’t rock. LMAO!!!

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  • in.cog.nito

    Theft = stealing an object / idea

    Downloading = Making a copy.

    Same thing people did with copying VHS’s and copying Tape Cassettes.

    Oh, and Gene, shut the fuck up. Your ‘music’ isn’t even topical any more.

  • Insurmountable Agitprop

    Has anyone else noticed how we never seem to see ReasonedNeoStylesMind since Andrew Crossley was anally invaded by DDoS? Circumstantial evidence perhaps that they were either employees or directors at ACS:Law?

  • lulz

    “it’s not theft, it’s copying”.

    Maybe if it’s from one friend to another and that’s it, but getting it online from a site is theft. A record in a store is a copy too. A copy from a master tape. Same thing. Still theft.

    Even the Supreme Court called it theft in the grokster case.

  • pronobozo

    The answer to the debate is… Support creative commons artists, download their music, see if it’s good. If it’s good, send it to friends, blog about it etc…

    for one, the more you are listening to creative commons music the less you are listening to music that fuels the riaa(and cria).

    secondly, you can get it and it’s not theft or stealing or copyright infringement. You can get it guilt free! You can sleep at night..

    win win for both sides of this debate.we have the solution.

    now get my damn torrent on mininova.org, heck it’s even featured right now and it’s burning hot. Get it while it’s seeded well :)

    crack a beer, relax, everyone :)

  • Anonymous

    If I could make a copy (DOWNLOAD) of HARDWARE I would!

    DON’T FEED THE TROLLS

  • Fukdupmuthafukr

    “Maybe if it’s from one friend to another and that’s it, but getting it online from a site is theft. A record in a store is a copy too. A copy from a master tape. Same thing. Still theft.”

    So, essentially, what you’re saying here is that the copies made from the master tapes which are being sold in stores are the same thing as a digital copy of a track and that they’re both theft!? Well in the case of the CD in a store you’re not wrong. Those pesky record companies have always been robbing bastards.

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  • daliguitar

    KSE – you are on my wavelength on this matter! For some time I have though the best solution to end all of this bickering is to set up a global licensing scheme which permits access to everything that can be digitised. However, I also felt that it would require an effective monitoring mechanism to ensure that the rewards are apportioned fairly to all those that contribute to this wonderful resource called the internet. My worry is that it might lead us down a 1984 style policing of all things internet.

  • D00d

    The RIAA is nothing but a protection racket populated by bullies who’ve figured out how to frighten people for profit, the same way Dubya & Co. used their neo-con blend of pseudo-Christian fundamentalism and oil-greed to trump up excuses for war in Iraq through fear-mongering, so they could rip off the taxpayers of over a million million dollars by funnelling it into their own companies’ coffers through preferential contract awarding! The RIAA despises the public and treats their own slaves — oops, I mean artists — with disdain, because they think they’re righteous, and therefore, indispensible. It’s not a question of whether file sharing is stealing: it’s the RIAA’s rank hatefulness and love of threatening ordinary, individual citizens with financial ruin and prison that is the crux of the matter! All the rest of it is a netful of red herring, designed to divert us from the real issue: are we going to allow that bunch of Fascist pigs with no legal authority of their own to intimidate us with their manipulations and terrorization? Because that is truly what it is: terrorization of the most evil kind, because it stems from self-righteous greed and megalomania! The Nazis’ real reason for hating Jews was because they were afraid the Jews would financially out-maneuver and out-earn the Gentile population of central Europe! So, wake up, folks — don’t let yourselves be distracted!

  • SoberAgain

    “Would you go into a CD store and steal a CD?”

    Since when does downloading anything from the internet effect a retail stores shrink? I fail to see the comparison…. Oh, that’s right- downloading keeps the “privileged” from buying million dollar homes….

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