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‘Piracy Is Theft, Clean and Simple’ US Vice President Says

Vice President Joe Biden introduced the Joint Strategic Plan to combat intellectual property theft today. In his speech Biden declared war on ‘pirate’ websites, both foreign and domestic, arguing that piracy is theft and a potential threat to national security.

The United States Government has made up its mind on how to tackle copyright infringement related issues in the coming years. After having consulted the public and a wide range of experts, the first Joint Strategic Plan of Obama’s administration to combat intellectual property infringement was unveiled today.

“Piracy hurts, it hurts our economy,” was one of the first lines Vice President Joe Biden spoke today, setting the tone for his grim speech. According to the new plan, piracy is a major threat to the US economy and a global crackdown is needed to save businesses from going bankrupt.

Interestingly, Biden’s statement stands in contrast with what the Government Accountability Office told US congress earlier this year, as it concluded that there is virtually no evidence for the claimed million dollar losses by the entertainment industry.

“Lack of data hinders efforts to quantify impacts of counterfeiting and piracy,” was one of the main conclusions from their report. In fact, copyright infringements may also benefit the entertainment industries and third parties, the Government Accountability said, adding that piracy could actually benefit the economy.

Nevertheless, Biden said that the US was going to “lead by example” and crack down on websites that allow the public to download and share copyrighted works. In addition, the US will ‘push’ foreign governments to do the same in their countries. Whether this ‘push’ would include threats similar to the ones the US made against Sweden over The Pirate Bay was left in the dark.

To top it off the Vice President reiterated the words commonly uttered by pro-copyright lobbyists such as the RIAA and MPAA. “Piracy is theft, clean and simple, it’s smash and grab,” Biden said, comparing unauthorized downloading to robbing a jewelry store. Although semantically incorrect, since ‘theft’ implies that something is taken away and not copied, the message is clear.

Aside from digital goods the US is also going to crack down on counterfeit products. According to Biden these may even be a threat to public health or national security, referring to the dramas that could come from soldiers wearing fake Kevlar vests.

On the digital side no websites or file-sharing applications were specifically named by Biden, nor are any listed in the Joint Strategic Plan. However, we expect that quite a few BitTorrent sites will be targeted, directly or indirectly.

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  • theamp

    Biden is an asshat, plain and simple.

  • blabbities

    Man fu!ck Joe Biden. He shouldnt even be Vice President. Damn Sen. Edwards and his damn scandal.

  • gigi

    So whats next? Guantanamo for filesharers? Extraordinary renditions for torrent admins done by CIA?:D

  • Obama

    I never under stand this. Going to a store to steal shit is the same as getting a digital copy of something? Just makes no sense. I should just start robbing stores if it’s the same shit

  • Anonymous Poster

    “Biden said that the US was going to “lead by example” and crack down on websites that allow the public to download and share copyrighted works.”

    So…he’s going to basically wipe out the entire Internet?

  • Ratchet

    OK, cool. But how many of these websites are actually based in the US?

  • david

    well, it is stealing. let’s not kid ourselves. not sure if it is actualy bad for the whole economy though…

    some jobs will get less atractive because less money can be made with it. other companies profit from it like guys who deliver computers, parts of it, (eg HD and other backup stuff) ISP’s, Ipods, etc etc

  • hahahaha

    Biden is a patsy.. discussed with the public my ass.. Bring it. The US Government knows less about cyberspace than the MPAA – we will evolve the technology faster than they can react

    @yhfyt
    For making idiotic statements, EPIC FAIL..

  • Anonymous

    Biden,like any politician, has been bought and sold a million times over.

  • omfg

    austria tried everything to bring the us down .. i swear ! we sent arnold ! wasn’t enough obviously

  • astroboi

    So even though our beloved country is damn near broke, a crook stole….whatever….half a trillion bucks of peoples retirement savings, we are fighting a hopeless and costly “war on drugs” another on pornography, jacking up the cost of cars, energy and anything made of oil, poisoning the ocean….still….our wonderful VP is starting another stupid unnecessary war…against downloading dumb movies! Maybe he can get cigarettes raised to 50 bucks a pack to pay for this one. It wouldn’t matter if somebody sold fake Kevlar if we weren’t fighting half the world and outfitting every bloody city in the US with a SWAT team to keep the overtaxed citizens in their places. Dammit I thought this guy would be a little different.

  • Ralonto

    Bullshit, they provide danger to your campaign sponsors.

  • Jl

    Obviously he didn’t speak to the public, well except extremist nut jobs like him, I’m sure. Or he would know that the people don’t think what we are doing is actually affecting anything. Look at Avatar.

  • Yarick

    @11 and there in lies your problem with politicians. There is no difference between just about any politician. Plain and simple.

  • skybon

    @7 You must be kidding me! Copying != stealing.

    Anyway, Biden, go fuck yourself, not us!

  • Ninja

    Told you that the sane voices heard in US govt would be ignored.

    @ 7 Jun 22, 2010 at 23:49 by david: it is NOT stealing if you buy what is worth. Piracy is burning copyrighted content and selling it on the streets making money out of it. And believe me, even the stuff sold on the streets might not be so bad as there are ppl that really need the money. What`s even worse is that there are criminal organizations behind it. File sharers don’t make a penny from what they share. In fact they are spending their connections in it. And is it theft if I downloaded something, liked and bought when I had the chance or the prices were fair for me?

    If someone proves that downloading something to check and then deleting it because you don’t like (or keeping it and buying the original to support the creators) is theft I’ll go ask the cops to jail me RIGHT NOW.

    Biden could be forgiven for now, he is usually clueless and he talks before thinking. However, these freking idiots from MAFIAA aren’t clueless. They are just IGNORING the damn reality because REALITY doesn’t give FAT, EASY revenue. Greed at its finest, LAZINESS and lack of will to put more effort into deserving the money at its highest.

  • politux

    I see a Tom Hanks movie in the works called “Joe vs the Swarm”

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  • Jl

    @14

    The problem is we don’t seem to believe there’s a problem. According to recent studies human have the inept ability to make every nice and rosy even when the world is dying around us. Well that’s human stupidity for you.

    “There a two things that are infinite the universe and human stupidity. I am not sure about the former” Albert Einstein

  • Jl

    @14

    The problem is we don’t seem to believe there’s a problem. According to recent studies, humans have the inept ability to make everything nice and rosy even when the world is dying around us. Well that’s human stupidity for you.

    “There a two things that are infinite the universe and human stupidity. I am not sure about the former” Albert Einstein

  • Anonymous

    Can’t believe they let that assclown speak at my university.

  • Anonymous

    Wasn’t he a lawyer for the industry? What do you expect him to say.

  • Wighar

    Ignorance is a bliss they say, mr biden seem to have a lot of air in that thing he calls a head.

  • Greg

    Ernesto,

    Just wanted to point out error in your story. The GAO did not say “that there is virtually no evidence for the claimed million dollar losses by the entertainment industry.” On the contrary, the GAO said there was plenty of evidence that the entertainment sector had suffered significant losses but that the methodology with which the sector came to an exact figure wasn’t reliable. I know you value accuracy so I thought I’d bring this to your attention.

  • AnAn

    IS it me or is this maybe the first step of ACTA coming into place?

  • Listen

    People, band together – This is not an issue of stopping piracy, it is an issue of these assholes stopping our ability to stay strong as a reasonable community. All communities SHARE, without sharing there is no community. This is about $, not the preservation of art.

    Joe Biden needs a logical belt to the ass; whatever the case ends up being, don’t give a dime to the industries! They are out of touch.

    We must stick together as a decentralized whole. I share with you and you share with me, regardless of any sovereign trying to tell us NO.

    Peer to peer is a function of life. Anti-P2P is a scam against it.

  • Shuang-Yu

    Fuck you, Joe Biden. You goddamn Copyright-Owner shill.

    Even if you somehow manage to police the internet and make it illegal and impossible to “illicitly download copyright-protected content”, I’m still going to buy my DVDs from the pawn shop, so I’m still not giving any money to your New York and Los Angeles Overlords.

  • Tor who?

    Well, Biden certainly has a grateful stomach. The RIAA put a lot there.

  • Common Sense

    Piracy can never die. It can only be decreased. If you kill PirateBay/Rapid$hit another site will take its place.

  • Anon E Muss

    It’s all just chatter until they actually do anything. Then we’ll see for sure the what/who/when/how/why/thenwhat

  • Skatz

    Biden stfu, its not bad for the economy. People have been sharing music/movies over the net for years! We were sharing stuff as the economy was growing. Now that its in the sh!tter, youre just looking for people to blame instead of doing sh!t about it. Get off our backs.

  • david gorg

    what the f,,k.
    piracy can never be theft. gov them self are biggest theft in the history

    hell to Joe Biden from
    http://www.scenetime.org team

  • Le Fake

    They’ll push forward Trusted Computing Group’s “trusted computing” model for a brighter fascist future!

  • MD3

    That guy probably barely can use a computer.

  • Anonymous

    Joe Biden is a 1d010t spreading his extremist views, using fear to scare people much the same as a terrorist. disagree with him and you will be branded a hater or a terrorist.

    he’s a hypocrite too since America once did not care ip and patents. that’s how you guy got the name Yankee ie pirate.

    what more disgusting is this guy lacks logical thinking even those reports have show the extravagance of anti piracy lies he still believes in them, well its either that or he a shill.

    copying is a natural right and should remain so.

  • Listen

    The Whitehouse.gov: “Our citizens need to feel confident that they can invest in new innovation and intellectual property, knowing it will be safe from theft.  Ensuring that our ideas and ingenuity are protected helps us create jobs and increase our exports.”

    I feel confident that I can easily download and share innovative works, I DON’T feel confident or secure when I need 15 gate keepers in the way of me and art and the majority of my money going to some corrupt industry who IS NOT PASSIONATE about the art they are regulating, just to make sure that my endeavors are “legal”.

    ‘Protected ideas’ is a misnomer, it is such a silly thing to say that a thought can be protected by law, thoughts are their own rights, and are obviously outside of the boundaries of artificial law. In order to even make a law you need the freedom of idea sharing.

  • The Chuckling Sign Painter

    Obama can do some great things
    Help the US to spread our wings
    But his sidekick clown
    Can bring him down
    When he says some darnedest things.

  • Truther

    Someone forgot to tell the Vice President he isn’t the ruler of the world.

  • Location

    Shocking that Usa declare war on something. dont they have anything better to do…….

  • JOEsomebody

    “….piracy is theft and a potential threat to national security…..”

    LMAO !!! while at it, why not to get involved homeland security as well ?!?! :)))
    fooking retards !!!

  • dinoz

    tht craka dont know what he’s doin

  • Techy

    General Stanley McChrystal was right, this guy is a clown!

  • Truther

    “Piracy hurts our economy…causes businesses to go bankrupt”

    Which businesses went bankrupt again? The banks, and last time I check, you can’t pirate a bank.
    What businesses are affected by piracy? And they are affected, they after all have the biggest profits in their history.
    I would like specific examples of businesses going bankrupt as direct result of piracy.

    Nice job understanding the economy Joe Shmoe.

  • lulz

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact-vp

    I sent Biden an email through his contact page. Yay for gaining my name on another watch list.

    Email contents follow:

    In response to:

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/100622/usa/us_copyright_trade

    I am not afraid to tell you I think you are full of shit.

    See:

    http://ktetch.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/followup-on-argh-andrew-the-moron/

    http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-is-theft-clean-and-simple-us-vice-president-says-100622/

    I rather like comment 11 on Ernesto’s article on Torrentfreak.com. You should stop and consider your WHAT and WHY again even if you have already done it, DO IT AGAIN.

    The government, the experts, and even those in the industry itself (http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/motion-picture-association-of-america-mpaa-admits-it-overstated-college-student-piracy-by-300/) are telling you that the industry IS FULL OF SHIT, just like YOU.

    Grow a pair and do what you claim to be doing, what the PUBLIC is telling you, not what you’re paid off to do.

  • Anonymous

    it is easy to see who contributed to the Biden campaign:

    The zionist government of Israel and the entertainment corporation of parasites. This is who really won the last election, not the people.

    It was not the republican vs the democrats. it was the oil vs the entertainment industry.

    The former are fucking up our planet and our health while the second are fucking up internet, our freedom and the economy.

    Do you voted for the plague or the malaria?

  • Anonymous

    We need to organize a Pirate Party in the US to fight against these MAFIAA puppets.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s vote these clown out of the office!

    I am not going to vote democrat during the next election!

    Fuck that!

  • Maxx Ormis

    Time for a new vice president?

  • lilars

    Maybe we can talk him into only going after the non-seeders.They are the only ones stealing.

  • Anonymous

    “Time for a new vice president?”

    Yes. i am downloading the replacement right now as well as the trash can to put the old one.

  • That guy

    The US hasn’t won a war since its own independence. We cant win a war especially on a global scale, involving and intangible item that can move from server to server… Let them try some crazy shit like limit what we can view on the internet.. They’ll have civil rights groups filing laws suits for violating the constitutional right of free speech, etc…

  • Anonymous

    Well, no surprise there. American politicians saying stupid things? It’s the rule.

  • Toasty

    Yeah, it hurts the economy so much when the MPAA/RIAA are making billions by the year. What was that the MPAA made last year? Oh, 29.9 Billion? Yeah, that’s a pain. Oh, poor MPAA. Poor guys, someone give them another pitiful dollar so they won’t have to suffer the idea of being broke one day. These guys are ignoring the one person who’ve hurt the economy thoroughly – George Bush Jr.

    Nobody taught these people the importance of sharing when they were children, I bet. I actually had faith with Biden/Obama in the beginning, but it’s slipping slowly. This being one of them.

  • Cipher

    I thought that is what pirates do, steal.

  • Trelew

    This goes to show how the US government is in the back pocket of Big Business. The level of corruption runs deep as the US VEEP just parrots the lies and propaganda of corporations.

    The US government will uses its considerable influence (RE: bullying) to tell the rest of the world to do what it wants. We are going to see more abuses of power just so that the corporate elite can get more profit and power.

  • Anonymous

    “The US hasn’t won a war since its own independence.”

    I believe you must go back to hight school.

    The major wars won by the US since independance:

    2nd war against Britain.
    War against Mexico.
    War against Spain.
    War against Germany (world War I)
    War against Germany (World War II)
    War against Japan (World War I)

  • Raven

    Bidden think on this

    So if you look at a view of piracy then you have to also look at the public library system. On that its a basis of one institute purchases a book then loans it, to hundreds of others. Each person who borrows the book has not purchased it, has not done anything to play for it, and yet has the ability to watch, listen or read it. To me so far this is also piracy. Libraries lend movies. Each movie has the fed warning about loaning viewing or copying.

    How can we decide if something is piracy if we allow piracy under the pretext of a library. And to top it off the library receives money directly from the “late” fees of a book. So far that is more of piracy then just downloading a movie.

    So a library more then a bittorent site, they hold the material that is on loan then passed on to multiple other users. The movie industry does not make money off the library. From there if a book is late you are charged money. which and in does in many cases add up to more then the cost of the item borrowed depending on how many users are late returning the item.

    The only difference I can see between the library system and bittorrent is that since it is a state/government institution it is legal. Torrent is no more illegal then using the library. Torrent is a vast depository on knowledge, pleasure, and enjoyment that does not require one to drive elsewhere to aquire an item. I make no money off a movie I download and watch, I do not resell or charge a torrent user if the portion I am missing to make it complete is not available. And in a way when I find a movie to be of poor quality I then delete it and never view it again, in essence returning it to the waste land of nothingness that is the internet. A virtual community of 1′s and 0′s at its most basic form.

  • Anonymous

    Joe Biden is a corrupted piece of crap and a traitor who do the bid of criminal corporations instead of working in the interest of the people “Clean and Simple”!

  • lastbastard

    Once upon a time an actress had a jewel. A robber said her: “What do you prefer? I download all your movies or I steal your jewel”

    Actress replied: “Please, download all my movies”

  • Ravensky

    so much for freedom of speech on this site if my previous post is awaiting moderation

  • Anonymous

    McCain is retarded, clean and simple

  • The old timer

    Just like Clinton the pimp tried to do back in the 90′s. Hence the DMCA.
    Did it work? Hell no

    sooner or later, the corporation will fall and so will the old asshat clown politicians like this nitwit

  • Andreas

    HAHAH! OH MY F*CKING GOD! If you don’t have proper arguments, just say that it’s a “potential threat to national security”. You know what, the internet is also a “potential threat to national security” so I think we simply shut the entire internet instead.

  • Anonymous

    so much for hope and change Obama. what a sellout. thank god the VP doesn’t actually have any real power,

  • Dan

    The only way to advance in politics is to attack a subject that people don’t want you to attack. People love to dl stuff, so he attacks us…

    I’m happy I don’t live in US though.

  • thisisnotreal

    Thank you for your views Mr Biden. now kindly go F**k yourself.

  • Kaleidoscope

    I think this a good thing! Taking without paying for media that was clearly meant to be bought is stealing.

    If you want a song or movie to be entertained by and don’t pay for it you are profiting by that illegal activity because you then have extra money that you can then afford to spend on other products that you cannot steal and have to pay to have.

    I just don’t know how pirates have no conscience about taking without paying and then plastering their plunder all over the internet with millions of other non-paying pirates. What a weird entitled world we now live in!

  • Biden

    What a hypocrite Biden is. I can guarantee you his pockets are lined with money from big business. Our entire Government is corrupt.

    That lady sitting next to him in the video looks like hooker.

    How about for once they care about all the money Government and big business is stealing from the ordinary citizen. And yes, they are stealing.

  • anon

    Ummmm……can we pleeeeze get a fast darknet?

  • Peter

    @#55
    Nice job, now go cash in the pay-check ..

  • the.dwarfer

    When you can’t win wars with countries, why would you start waging war on esoteric concepts like drugs or terror or obesity or piracy. Try this: a war on stupidity, that’s one that you can win, just dump joe and all your other bs wars!

    Every generation needs a new revolution. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. – Thomas Jefferson

  • Realest

    Bullshit , its so obvious whos funding whos campaign .

  • Jay-Fi

    First of all, I DO NOT support the RIAA, MPAA, iTunes, or ANY major record label. I have no issue with pirating music that is signed to a major label. However, while it is certianly not “a potential threat to national security,” I believe pirating music is wrong for a number of reasons. First being that most artists are barely breaking even when … See Morethey release music. An incredible amount of work can go into releasing an album, or even just a few tracks, it is simply insulting for someone to then download that entire release for free, unless that’s how it was intended to be delivered. Aside from that, the ability to download so much music for free means people aren’t required to put effort into choosing the music that they really want to have. In other words, if you have to pay for your music, you are much more likely to buy something that you really appreciate and want to support, if everyone was doing this, theoretically the quality of music released would increase. I stopped illegally downloading music about a year ago and haven’t looked back since. (I used to download a lot and have recently deleted most of it) I now buy a ridiculous amount of music – it is my number one expense and i have no qualms about it. Buying music results in a much greater appreciation of the art.

  • Jay-Fi

    First of all, I DO NOT support the RIAA, MPAA, iTunes, or ANY major record label. I have no issue with pirating music that is signed to a major label. However, while it is certianly not “a potential threat to national security,” I believe pirating music is wrong for a number of reasons. First being that most artists are barely breaking even when they release music. An incredible amount of work can go into releasing an album, or even just a few tracks, it is simply insulting for someone to then download that entire release for free, unless that’s how it was intended to be delivered. Aside from that, the ability to download so much music for free means people aren’t required to put effort into choosing the music that they really want to have. In other words, if you have to pay for your music, you are much more likely to buy something that you really appreciate and want to support, if everyone was doing this, theoretically the quality of music released would increase. I stopped illegally downloading music about a year ago and haven’t looked back since. (I used to download a lot and have recently deleted most of it) I now buy a ridiculous amount of music – it is my number one expense and i have no qualms about it. Buying music results in a much greater appreciation of the art.

  • nuker

    @55
    ha ha ha ha
    well done on a pointless rant.
    filesharing copyrights work is not stealing. it may be illegal but not stealing.

    why don’t you go to you local newsagent and inform all those who read a bits of piece of papers and mags and before putting it down and not buying it and tell them they stealing. it media they consume that meant to pay for after all.
    then you can tell the people on the bus to turn their ipods down because your stealing with you ears listening to music with out paying for it.

    and back to topic no surprise there since when hasn’t the US goverment given in to the media cartels. always have always will.

  • holy

    Crazy f’in dems you know i spent 47.86 on new media i would have never bought this week alone, yet i randomly got some things through torrents found out wow they were good went out and bought them. That money wouldn’t have gone into entertainment for any thing else so pure profit for them.

  • HadToComment

    I have torrentfreak set as my homepage so when im doing some browsing I can always have a suss on whats going on in the pirate world.

    I am getting really tired of the people that saying that piracy is stealing.. (whether trolling or not) the original copy is still intact.. I read recently a spanish court related it to “sharing a book” which people have been doing since the dawn of time.

    It’s like a caveman saw his buddy drawing a buffalo or something.. he thought hey thats cool.. Im going to do that also.. then some MAFIIA guy comes out of no where and tells him to stop.. lol

    got sidetracked.. but you see where I was going with it..

    If the original is intact..
    Nothing has been stolen = FAIL

  • Ang3r

    This is more than a copyright-protection racket. (0h n0ez, my billion $$$ record company is ‘hurting’)
    It is control of the internet for and by police states, in the guise of copyright issues, with blame easily shifted towards corporate lobbyists and scandalous politicians.
    A lot of rich people, just got richer.
    The real issue will never be mentioned.
    The internet is a weapon for the masses, and a tool beyond all others.
    It was the anonymity, the ad-hoc structure, and the collective efforts of humanity that made it so.
    The ACTA will put an end to that.
    The EU, US, NSA, CIA, MI5 will ensure it’s effective, intrusive, and enforced, with no safe sanctions, quarters or domains for the consumer citizen ‘cattle’ to be ‘unregulated’.
    Guerrilla opinions and petitions to upset the ‘herd’ are quashed and removed for ‘protection’.
    Protection of who?
    Those pesky, helpless, powerless peasants who mutter about rights and democracy?

  • Ang3r

    The machine rages on…
    Joe Biden should be remembered in the revolution.

  • GrX

    this clown is going to try and shut down the internet? lol

  • the.dwarfer

    @55 that IS the world we live in.

    If you look at the independent findings instead of listening to the ‘home taping is killing music’ propaganda that Biden is peddling, you’ll see that pirates on average spend more on music and films, sharing helps smaller artists become known, and speaking personally if a movie is good i will buy it when it is released in my country.

    The people who are afraid of piracy are the big studios who churn out terrible movies and spend millions on advertising to get people to see it on opening weekend because they know that once word gets around how bad it is their $100M POS is dead and piracy spreads that knowlege.

    They fear us becoming aware of their failures before they can trick us into paying $20 a piece to see them.

    I saw Avatar, it was ok,

    OK – for $300M it was OK, the hype before that movie, ‘it will change cinema forever’ it was OK.

    They spent an estimated $150M on advertising, that is insane. The result an opening weekend of $232M because it was good, or because it was promoted so furociously?

  • Anonymous

    Stealing a CD in a store = fine or maybe community service (depending on where you live)
    However, if you copy an mp3 you can get sued for up to 150000 USD (in the US). Whats fair in that?!

    Lets say this album you’re “stealing” has 15 tracks. Thats 15 mp3′s. 15 * 150000 = 2250000. 2,25 MILLION USD?! Are they fucking insane?!

  • RIAA

    we don’t say its stealing so you don’t download. We arn’t greedy either. We allowed limewire 10 years of existance. But now, if you dont pay for something, you dont have thie rights to it so youre basically taking intellectual property without permission which is called stealing.

  • Anonymous

    Where are the facts Biden? where’s the source for your statements?

  • Anonymous

    If the MAFFIAA got their hands on my music folder they could sue me for $211200000 USD and get away with it.

    211,2 MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS! OH MY FUCKING GOD! Thats insane!

  • Vanilla Puddin

    LOL, He’s prolly got an Ipod slam full of pirated music himself. Friggin idiot. Who does he think he is foolin!

    internet-anonymity.at.tc

  • IAmCanadian

    have to say i’m glad to be a threat to their national security.

  • Doink

    “Piracy Is Theft, Clean and Simple”

    Anybody with half a brain knows that.

  • Truther

    Another piece of proof the government is either being controlled by big business with no interest in the people, or a bunch of idiots who never took economics in college.
    Its likely both.

  • Walrus

    We have an oil spill the size of Wisconsin, wasting tens of thousands of barrels of oil a day, but lets focus on pirating because that is going to ruin the economy and then our way of life. Something wrong with priorities here? After cleaning up the environment, get the facts before attacking piracy. Get some data, get a clue…

  • RJay

    Wow!! The National Security argument never gets old, huh?

  • NewEraCracker

    They really think they can do anything. Well they are wrong.

    And by the way I don’t think its Theft because I don’t sell warez.

    @Biden. You didn’t won elections (why is that? )

  • NewEraCracker

    They really think they can do anything. Well they are wrong.

    And by the way I don’t think its Theft because I don’t sell warez.

  • tightasa

    America is twelve trillion dollars in debt and growing.This was the case well before so called piracy became a so called issue!This is yet another attempt to call it a “smoking gun”The real issue is control.America needs an excuse to have a war and “Take” control.They did it in Vietnam,they did it in Iraq.They tried very hard to do it in Cuba!And they will do it wherever and whenever they can.The very best way to implement your will is to put fear in the hearts of men.Create a supposed enemy.In this case pirates!Get laws changed,ignore laws or override same

  • Anonymous

    release the kraken!! ^^

  • Aj

    How all you liberal nitwits who voted for Obama feeling now? He screwed international relations, screwed the economy, sold out to the drug companies with his health act, let the mexican drug cartels invade the southern US, helped get flavored smokes banned, failed to respond to the gulf oil spill and is more interested in not upsetting BP then in saving the wildlife or the economy in the affected areas and now he and his sell out liberals are selling out to the copyright nuts just like Clinton did with the digital millenium copyright act. Bet you’ll all still vote for him though, you know, on account of how qualified he is…being black and all.

  • Is it just me or…

    does it seem like obama and biden have to butt into EVERYTHING?

  • Bitsnoop.com

    @ 55 Anonymous

    > I believe you must go back to hight school.

    > The major wars won by the US since independance:

    > 2nd war against Britain.
    > …
    > War against Spain.
    > War against Germany (world War I)
    > War against Germany (World War II)

    I believe that US education is damn good at brainwashing.

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  • Coutreau

    I don’t get the fake kevlar comment. The public isn’t buying kevlar for our soldiers, the gov’t is. If they can’t be halfassed enough to find a reputable dealer (can’t be hard, go to Duponts website or whatever) and buy soldiers fake kevlar, then the problem isn’t piracy, it’s retarded people in gov’t who think $1 kelvar is a great bargain they should jump on.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    You people who don’t realize this is theft plain and simple are fucking Moron’s! Why don’t you go in to Best Buy and unwrap a cd and copy it onto your laptop then place it back on the shelf and tell them that you were just COPYING it and that it’s not stealing. If you keep stealing the thing you so desire won’t be made anymore. There are thousands of victims of this CRIME that are not the big corporations!!! The ignorant responses on this page blow me away!!!

  • joenathan84

    hahahaha….We the Pirates…Try to stop us as much as you can…we dont die we multiply…You can never stop people from freely sharing…..Its a constitutional right…and not everything thats copyrighted is easy to get ahold of such as old tv shows and programs…It may cause the companies to lose sales but not enough to make them poor….IN short the RICH WILL GET RICHER AND THE POOR WILL GET POORER….b/c not every case of torrents is simply b/c somebody wants to download something for free…WHEN I LIKE AN ARTIST I BUY THEIR STUFF AND WHEN I LIKE A MOVIE I GO OUT AND BUY IT….all this would really do is cause a lot of people to not be able to afford to get the the media they desire and make them have to pay the big companies (i.e Apple) money for the same media…as i say again THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER

  • Anonymous

    Politicians are failed burger-flippers, clean and simple.

  • Daniel

    World War 3: Piracy vs Politics?

    (It at least sounds catchy tho, right?)

    Sadly, I don’t think thats a war the US can actually win…

  • me

    next thing you know getting a blow job is going to become a matter of National security.

  • neostyles

    I hope the pirate bay is listening. After all their years of thumbing their nose at the law, they are finally going to face extradition from the CIA or Interpol. They talked about how they are going to be increasing their legal efforts abroad, so I don’t think “we are in a different country” is going to be an excuse.

  • doll

    piracy IS theft.. the theft lies in the fact that the downloader GAINS something, WITHOUT paying legally.
    yes it is a COPY, but the downloader still TAKES AND GAINS.

  • elduka

    shit. i always knew i hated Biden

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  • tightasa

    @104 Yes the downloader takes and gains……A bloody insight into what rubbish it is in the majority of cases……Tell you what.Apply the same laws to the consumer with regard to movies and music as you do with any other consumable……If it`s faulty…..return for a refund.If that ever happens….your argument will get my sympathy!!!@56 Some excellent points!!!!!!

  • Anonymous
  • Rasta

    Obama and Biden are just puppets we shouldn’t be surprised.

  • Momba

    I still have hope that someday Biden will actually say something other than garbage which makes him look like an uneducated hill-billy!

  • StopTheMadness

    Back when the elections were going on, a friend of mine was going to vote Obama and that’s it. The rest didn’t meet her standards, and frankly mine neither.
    But I remember smelling the corruption on Biden, the reek of a paid-off corporate troll was – and is – all over him. I warned her, “Keep an eye on Biden, he’s a loose cannon on deck and can do as much harm to democracy as Bush, if not more. He’s a paid corporate attack dog.”
    She bet me I was wrong. Well Theresa, if you’re reading this, I was right, wasn’t I? Biden’s been flying his attack dog colors for awhile now.
    BTW dear, I didn’t vote for anybody. But given the choice, I’d damn sure vote those slimy rats out, and no voting for ‘lesser’ evil either.

  • RevolutionAnon

    This protecting of intellectual property has gotten out of hand. First the farmers get jacked in the ASS by those fuckers from Monsanto and their Genetically altered seeds, now The whole US is being taken for a ride by some fuckers who werent content with just one fleet of private planes.

  • BlackBeard..

    I am so frickin sorry to have Obama and Biden as leaders. They are Corporate puppets. Should we really be surprised?

  • rant-o-matic

    All right, that’s it. I’m telling you, this issue of copyright infringement will be the end of the free Internet, and the large amounts of hard-earned human rights that it represents.
    Note that just TODAY, we have this article, the article on Slashdot about how Congress can now wrest information from the public domain if it feels like it, and the other Slashdot article on Wikileaks’s founder being basically told to avoid the US. If I can focus on this article for a sec, our friggin VP just said that copyright infringement is (a) theft and (b) a matter of fucking national security.
    First of all, Mr. Joe, theft is a criminal offense, copyright infringement is not. Civil offense only. See above comments. Turn out your pockets mister, we wanna see the nice thick cash lining! As for piracy=national security threat, I SEE WAT U DID THAR! Oh, us poor americans must be protected from big bad foreign businesses that may go against US laws! Please, help us! Blame the pirates or something, but keep the Internet sanitized for us!

    I need a beer. I’m so pissed. It doesn’t help that the good ol’ Washington state government is charging me $45 to punch a hole in my old license and print up another one, and is about to charge me about the same to take the piece of paper that supposedly proves I own my car, scratch out Texas, and write Washington. Let’s not forget to charge me use tax, simply because I now want to drive my car here for a while. Oh, and of course I’m about to be charged again to register a friggin <2 hp bike. I'm really quite tired of this ever-growing government. Did anyone make a backup? I'd like to roll back to when people actually had respect for the US Gov't.

    OK, so I'm ranting. I'm not usually this nutty. Please, pick my post apart. I want you to show me why I'm wrong. Please. I mean, the FTC is going to help us, right? neostyles, have anything to add?

  • Anonymous

    in other news, Starbucks Corp. is suing The Second Cup Coffee Company Inc. for allegedly stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from them. Howard Schultz CEO, Chairman and President of Starbucks Corps is quoted saying: “These criminals at second cup stole from us by opening their damn coffeehouses across the street of our coffeehouses. Over one third of our clients are gone!”

    An insider confirms the rumors that the lawsuit claims over 20,5 billion dollars which was calculated by multiplying the number of clients per day times the price of a coffee and two cookies times the number of days in a leap year.

    Satire by the way

  • Cujo

    ok ,, let do the math here

    apperenty there is 60 million people who have shared files in the US
    https://www.eff.org/issues/file-sharing
    now if they all go the Jammie Thomas went
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/whats-next-for-jammie-thomas-rasset.ars

    there should soon be 60 million more bankrupt poor souls in the US lol

  • rant-o-matic

    @104 Tell me how having a use-my-pool-whenever policy with my neighborhood friends is different from sharing music. I’m depriving the pool company of some sales, right? My neighbor gets the full benefits of the pool, and so do I. However as soon as I replace ‘pool’ with ‘justin-timberlake-album’ it’s supposedly morally wrong and illegal. How do you justify this?

  • mike

    Biden basically talks about ACTA here… the bill will cover both digital copyright and counterfeit products…and when he says the US will push others to do the same he means they will force ACTA onto everyone…

    Whichever way you see it, the media lobby will get their ACTA crap pushed through. If it will safe their failing business models remains to be seen.

    All we basically need is a way to share stuff without everyone being able to see what we do, as it is with bittorrent now. Anonymous sharing will happen, and is happening, and it will render all these new copyright laws useless. Unfortunately, these new laws will also get a lot of people into trouble, bankruptcy or jail, and it will ultimately hurt the free internet and the industry.

  • mock

    I’m glad this Entertainment Industry cocksucker will never be President.

  • Pirate4life

    What really hurts an economy is raising taxes during a fucking recession! Mister VP, go find a long crowbar and see if that helps get your head out of your ass.

  • grab

    A dvd cost $40

    A person caught sharing a copy of it is fined $15000 for the ‘lost sale’

    So it tells you that all 2000 filesharers in a swarm = 2000x$15000 = 30 millions

    … and not 2000x$40 ????

  • Hotnews

    What a jerk! How can a nation move forward with such ideas?

    http://www.hotne.ws

  • James

    The U.S Government is CORRUPT ! Plain and Simple.

  • Larry

    As if China will give a fuck what this dickhead says. Go fuck yourself you fucking American Jewish cunt. You don’t own the world.

    Go back to fucking little boys you twit.

  • Jebus

    @18

    Stupid people.. I wish we would just get it over with. Do the world a favor and just kill ourselves off. Sick of all the bullsh*t.

  • Anonymous

    “Piracy is theft. Clean and simple. It’s smash and grab. It ain’t no different than smashing a window at Tiffany’s.”
    –Joe Biden, U.S. vice president

    “Wrong, smashing a window could be consider desperate, radical, vigilant violence and that’s because you made it this way not me.”

    “Stop the Hate”

    -Z?A?L?G?O???

    ?????????????????? HE?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???? ?????? ????????????????????????????????????????????? ????? ???????????? ?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???? ?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????COMETH??????????? ???????????? ?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????

  • lol

    It seems some of you are missing the point of claiming a threat to national security. Any threat labeled like that means the patriot act comes in to effect, this means that they do not need a warrant, they do not need probable cause and they do not need to prove anything. In other words the FBI can walk into a building take whatever they want arrest anyone they want and lock them away for as long as they feel like. By making piracy a threat to national security they are opening the doors to do what ever they want to whoever they want. This puts ANY file sharer in a problematic situation. If the courts start to agree that these data mining companies are correct in saying that copyright infringement can be proven from an ip address alone, then everyone can be arrested under the patriot act. The FBI can then legally come into any house within the US and take your computers laptops cell phones, without any worry about legal ramifications.

  • cy

    ughhh, so much terribad news for torrents lately. FUUUUUU

  • HopeAndSmallChange

    Hey Joe….who typed up that speech for you?

  • Anonymous

    US Vice President? That’s not good.

  • Juststupified

    They sell dvd’s at Tiffany’s?

  • Sexter

    I think that the head of Biden would make an excellent buttplug!

  • sailix

    what is he said

  • Bozo McPhuckphace

    @30 You’re right, but technically we’ve been “pirating” since they gave us VHS and cassette tape recorders. Metallica got their fame off of bootlegging tapes in L.A. and, ironically, were the first ones to hate on Napster.

    Another example is Micro$oft shaking their finger at us about not pirating and then giving us the tools they use to make their software (C++, Java, etc).

    Hypocrites, through and through!

  • efe

    Yep
    Invading Iraq for oil is robbery, barbaric and murder. Clean & simple

  • weeee

    neostyles is a fag, clean and simple

  • 1984

    I can understand where that speech is coming from. Artists are losing money to piracy.
    But copy is not theft and certainly not a threat to national security.
    The equation 1 pirated good = 1 lost sale is plain wrong. It’s not true.
    When the industry prefers to sue potential customers instead of trying to seduce them, you know something is very rotten here.
    Add to this the loss of personal liberties on the internet, it’s becoming a fascist and totalitarian society.
    I’d like to see $1 movie rental on Itunes, where is it? Why is it still $5 when no physical DVD/Blu-ray disks are taken home by the customers.

    $$ GREED $$

  • TerribleTony

    #1 is possibly the best first comment in the history of TF. Congrats. :)

    Biden is old and stupid, I can guarantee he doesn’t know the difference between the web and the Internet.

  • yada

    if piracy is theft, why is it not punished like theft then? 1 dollar for a song, 20 dollars for a movie.

  • anonymous

    lets face it people, there are more corrupt politicians in the USA than in almost anywhere else. the public and independent experts are totally ignored in favour of industries. those industries that give the politicians the biggest incentives, achieve the results they want. not long before you will be screwed like the rest of us, only being allowed on certain sites, to do certain things, that are ok’d by those industries. goodbye freedom!

  • Seed_Baby_Seed

    Oh! I think Biden and Obama have more pressing issues to deal with!
    Who has caused more harm to our country and economy? Pirates or BP?
    Obama’s honeymoon is over! In fact, it’s been over for quite some time now. Not it is time for him to get to work resolving a handful of REAL urgent issues and problems. Problems which put his very presidency at stake, not to mention our country’s future. (I don’t have to mention what they are).
    “Piracy” is the very least of his problems (and Joe Biden’s).
    Buy, if they want to deal with “piracy” first, I have advice for them: Tell Hollywood and the MAFIAA to go F*CK themselves!!!!!

  • R

    Biden is an idiot, plain and simple – EVERYTHING is “threat to national security” – at least if you ask from Biden or that black monkey who’s in the other office. Both are sooo fuckin’ corrupted beyond belief, if money says, both jump. I’m truly sorry for US citizens, when they have this bad…

  • InTheStars

    Some of the comments on here really surprise me.
    If you think that there is nothing wrong with piracy and it isn’t stealing then why does everyone go on about using vpn’s and IP blockers.
    If piracy is OK then everyone should openly ‘share’ without trying to hide their identity and take their cases to the courts. Explain your views to someone that can make a difference.
    Some of the comments on here prove the point that downloading copyrighted content is wrong as people seem proud of the fact that they didn’t pay for a product.
    Your own worst enemies.
    Continue to ‘share’ but please don’t try to kid yourselves that it’s not stealing.

  • gem

    #139 Jun 23, 2010 at 10:37 by InTheStars
    QUOTE you: Some of the comments on here really surprise me.
    If you think that there is nothing wrong with piracy and it isn’t stealing then why does everyone go on about using vpn’s and IP blockers.
    If piracy is OK then everyone should openly ‘share’ without trying to hide their identity and take their cases to the courts. Explain your views to someone that can make a difference.
    Some of the comments on here prove the point that downloading copyrighted content is wrong as people seem proud of the fact that they didn’t pay for a product.
    Your own worst enemies.
    Continue to ‘share’ but please don’t try to kid yourselves that it’s not stealing.

    End Quote

    Love your input into this discussion InTheStars

    ie Continue to ‘share’ but please don’t try to kid yourselves that it’s not stealing.

    E

  • Really?

    USA politicians trying to think they can rule the world (again)…

  • Kyle.Rayner

    From the lips of a professional, music rcording artist himself. Sen-dawg

    4:49
    “…and if you don’t got no money, steal that mother fucker, I don’t give a fuck. Just put your ears on that aight.”

    http://vimeo.com/12024850

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  • Pirates

    are SHEEP. All wanting to copy and download each other’s mainstream bullshit. NONE of you lot are cool in any fucking way. FAIL

  • Joe Biden

    I have to do what they tell me.
    Like John F. Kennedy

  • gabor

    Just simple logic. Fare evasion, for example, can be compared to theft, because you steal place and vehicle power. In order to prevent crowd and maintain comfort, more vehicles must be started, and that costs money.
    But no such point exists for copying. For software it doesn’t matter how many people are using it, it won’t be slower or more expensive to develop. So if someone can’t afford a software, there’s no difference between pirating or not using it.
    However, I still condemn those who download things they could easily buy!!!

  • lol

    @InTheStars: My dog just farted.
    wanted to share that with you

    :P

  • dkintheuk

    nice to see he carefully consulted legal specialists in this area to make sure he has his facts right… what a moron.

  • Anonymous

    @97

    ya right. And the earth is flat, And evolution does not exist and they were no concentration camp in Europe in 1940s and Elvis got kidnapped by a flying saucer.

  • zaq

    In the U.S. everything is a threat to national security…

  • T.H.E. S.W.A.R.M.

    BIDEN WILL BE ASSIMILATED

    RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

    httpS://www.google.com/ ;)

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  • Dolph Lundgren

    In Mother Russia, software pirate you.

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  • TerminalDummy

    NOT the change people voted for, corporate shills! fuck!

  • duane

    Mr Bidet…

  • Karai

    Really? Downloading the latest Miley Cyrus album is a threat to national security? Please Mr. Biden, explain this in full detail.

  • Joe Biden

    The Federal Reserve is a private bank.

  • markie

    If piracy is theft clean and simple. Then make all tv shows & movies available to everyone online everywhere at the same time without delays. That’s frigging clean & simple.

    I hate these stupid people just like talking out of their arseholes. They can talk the big talk but deliver us a bunch of BS.

  • joeBiden

    joe biden is a religious monkey who shouldnt have ever been let out of his cage… clean and simple

  • me

    Yeah Biden, go fuck yourself! And stop doing dirty work. Tell us how much money did you get under the table for this?

  • InTheStars

    Nowhere does he say downloading is a threat to national security.
    Read the whole article.
    The first paragraph is misleading as to this connection.
    ———————————–

    Aside from digital goods the US is also going to crack down on counterfeit products. According to Biden these may even be a threat to public health or national security, referring to the dramas that could come from soldiers wearing fake Kevlar vests.
    ———————————–

  • Incompetent

    Go after the companies that run their business exclusively on pirated products for commercial purposes, instead of going after the average users who are using this kind of software just with the purpose to get an education in their life.

    Is it really that hard to understand ?

  • MRhama

    I have seeded useless police movies for years and they still get produced and the producers refuse to become bancrupt. What can i do to stop these shity movies being produced? Somehow my experiences are different from Joe Biden. What have I done wrong??? :D

    I wonder if it works with the costumes as well? (*virtually stealing Kiera Knightleys clothes in the pirates movies. DAMN, does not work!)

  • Gss

    A crackdown on piracy will ensure that only rich people get an education. I taught myself C++ programming using the tools that I downloaded from piracy websites. Free exchange of tools and information is needed for people to still achieve the American Dream.

  • gorehound

    well the war is on.RIAA & MPAA take down a site and then we see a hundred sites go up.
    screw you biden.

  • LordOfRuin

    How can these people be so blinkered? So deliberately obtuse?

    They’re willing to make millions upon millions of people into criminals; for what? For opening up new markets? For advertising the works for free?

    Oh, hold on, I just remembered, they’re working for the corporations, not the people. And the corporations are frightened of having to explore new business models. They like the model where you have to buy the limited availability product, from a company designed to distribute that difficult to get, limited supply.

    Except it’s not difficult to get, the supply isn’t limited, and actually, there is far more out there than just what the distribution company has to offer. Oh dear!

    Perhaps we could issue an open letter to the worlds creative minds, and ask them to perhaps refrain, when possible, from giving business to these corporations?

    Clearly getting the governments of the world to do the right thing isn’t going to happen ever so soon. So if we can move these works out from under the corporations hold, then perhaps we’ll have more success.

    Sadly, I’m not sure how that would work, but we’ve really got to stop using the big five.

  • Martin Smith

    I agree with inthestars. It’s one thing to engage in an activity that you know is not recognised as right – it’s quite another to delude yourselves that it is right.

    Yes, some of you do help artists and those around them by buying product. That is a positive thing – though I wish you’d support legitimate services such as Spotify, preview acts on myspace, etc – i.e. the services that reward those making the product you enjoy.

    Comparing what pirates do to a ‘library’ or some such thing is a hollow argument, as the part of the process you all seem to forget is the taking the product back so someone else can enjoy it – once you’ve got it, it’s yours and no further investment on your part is required. In music and film in the digital age, the final product IS the file. All those thousands of hours of rehearsals, inspiration, promotion, hard work, and sweat are distilled in (for recorded music) that MP3 etc.

    It is one insult, as one poster said earlier in this thread, for someone out there to just decide that they deserve to enjoy those endevours without paying.

    It’s another insult entirely to try and argue that what you do is right and somehow contributes to the creative process.

    Of course people are going to try and protect what is theirs, and governments are going to made to move (after the problem has persisted for ten years) when a basic right is threatened – the right of creators to benefit, the right for people to make a living, the right of exchange in goods and services (the rest of your lives depend on it – you won’t turn up for work without getting paid or benefitting either – why the hell would you?)

    So just accept that this (pirate) ship is sinking. You can wind yourselves up all you want with all this self-serving rhetoric, but it will do no good on an effective level as none of you can organise yourselves to pose a credible counter-argument.

  • astroboi

    When I see Biden making such an illogical statement as “piracy is theft”, whether through ignorance or mendacity or whatever, I begin to wonder if other statements about other wars might be just as wrong and illogical. Can our government be so right about the War On Drugs and so wrong about the War On Downloading? Is the War For Iraq Freedom really what they say? Maybe drugs aren’t really as bad as they claim. Bad, but not THAT bad! Maybe our enemies are not nearly as bad as we’ve been told. Maybe the real truth to be learned here is that our government lies ALL THE TIME, maybe so much that Biden and company automatically lie and you and I shouldn’t believe anything they say.
    Sure, Biden and Obama and the Supreme Court can make things illegal and they can hurt you for doing stuff, but I am beginning to have serious doubts that ANY of the acts they oppose are morally or ethically wrong. So much of it seems to be about only money. And they are all out of that. So they pass laws to get it from us, one way or another. Like smashing a window….

  • Dia

    Didn’t some military drama feature fake kevlar vests in one episode? He watches too much TV.

  • phishybongwaters

    Piracy?

    Well, to aptly quote Biden himself on another issue that many concede was piracy :

    “What’s the big deal here?”

    Asshat indeed

  • FatCats

    Somebodys wallet just got fatter…

  • gabor

    Make it clear: there are two types of pirates. There are those who download what they can’t afford, and the ones that think the “why should I pay if I get it for free” way. The latter is harmful, the former isn’t.

    *** Not using an unaffordable software is as harmful as pirating it. ***

    Also, I foretell a side effect of stopping piracy: some street kids won’t accept that they are out of the gaming world, and if they can’t copy, then they steal entire computers. Passwords are useless, the owners will tell it happily after a few head kicks, and in order to stay safe from another beating, many will also refrain from remote locking. In Europe it’s already a tendency that phones loaded with cool games and ringtones are more likely to get stolen or robbed by people that know about it. Nice, huh?

  • Durf

    Fortunately, the vice president of the U.S. has virtually no power other than to break ties in congress and make ignorant speeches.

  • theDog

    You RENT politicians for 4 years and I think the rent is due.
    Joe Biden = Black man’s Slave

  • Jerry Goldsmith

    Yeah, it’s theft. Sorta-kinda-yeah.

    But they couldn’t leave it in the hands of the market…. nope. Couldn’t just say…. “HEY! People are making shitty products, for too much money, and people are pirating them instead of buying them! Maybe we should CHANGE the way we do business, and make movies? ”
    nope…. they don’t want that. Instead they pull out the ol’ “national security” bullshit routine. Once they say that, they feel they can do whatever the hell they please.

  • Anonymous

    Someone else that lives in america please explain to me why its our governments responsibility to try and solve everyones problems. seriously who the fuck do we “americans” think we are, we stole this land, enslaved a race, and we are the saviors?

  • gabor

    …And what if they shut down all the pirate sites? Piracy will go back where it came from, to the offline world.

    Do you know a country called North Korea? There the Big Brother watches you everywhere, and it’s very dangerous to possess certain things, like radio receivers with non-crippled tuners that can receive foreign stations, films from other countries, or even a Bible. Yet many risk and manage to obtain these things illegally, despite the severe consequences (often starving to death in a labor camp, or being used as test subject for chemical weapons). They do this in a country where no one can be trusted, where nowhere is safe, where privacy is unknown.

    Then what do these morons expect in America? Apart from money for their “hard work”?

  • JC

    Well, now we just have to wait until it turns out that Biden is a pirate too.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting to hear this coming from Biden, who couldn’t even refrain from plagiarism when he ran for President.

  • jjh

    Interesting to hear this coming from Biden, who couldn’t even refrain from plagiarism when he ran for President.

  • CHaoZ

    The statement is to shore up the administrations intereset in taking control of the internet. Much as the FDA controls drug/medicene research. Much like China,Iran they cannot stand free flow of information that threatens their grab for, or hold on power.
    Senate Bill S773.
    Read here
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html

    I find it quite laughable all those that longed for a socialist US leader. Well now you have one.

  • Narf

    Go America! Yeah! Start another war!

    Likes there are no bigger problems….

    Like you are actually good at WINNING wars…

    Why am I not surprised?

    *sighs*

  • Diggity

    @174 – You’re a moron.

    You don’t pay the author for his works. You pay for the distribution. Torrenting puts the price of distribution on the users… so why pay for a service that doesn’t exist?

    The day the authors of these works cut out the middleman and charge a buck per download is the day torrenting will die. Of course that leaves out billions of advertising and marketing for them, so for now they’ll take the few pennies they get for every CD and DVD sold from the distributing companies.

    It’s a giant pyramid scam that was only profitable for a few decades. A blip in the history of copyright. Just let it fricken die already.

    Oh and copyright originally was to protect authors from giant distributing companies, so they couldn’t boss them around and only pay them a fraction of a percent for every work sold. It had nothing to do with intimidating users for profit. Somehow we perverted that whole idea.

  • pebody

    Our leaders are a threat to our national security!

  • lol

    must of been a nice fat check from the MAFIAA.

    better cash it quick biden!

    oh btw you will do nothing to stop us, k thnx bai moron.

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  • DyFukA

    HEY YO JB SUCK A DICK, THE INTERNET IS A BREEDING GROUND FOR INFORMATION PIRATES. GET USED TO IT NIKKKKKA.

  • Anonymous

    Haha the movie industry is full of thievery. Let’s see VHS-DVD-BluRay-Itunes-ToWhateverElseTheyPullOutOfTheirAsses.

    Also that excludes all the failed video formats they tried to trick us into buying.

    How many people here have bought the same movie multiple times on multiple different formats?

    Sorry no sympathy from me, I will no longer buy movies that I will need to replace in 5 Years.

  • Anonymous

    Ironically Biden is a pirate, go to his wikipedia article and count how many times you can spot the word plagiarism.

  • in.cog.nito

    I didn’t vote for the douchebag or Obama, but I know who I am voting for next time, and it sure as shit isn’t either of these effing retards.

  • Gwiz

    “87 Jun 23, 2010 at 03:02 by Doink

    “Piracy Is Theft, Clean and Simple”

    Anybody with half a brain knows that.”

    And anyone with a COMPLETE brain knows it is not.

  • Concat

    The only way to combat piracy is to compete with piracy.

    When legal product offers less quality, options and substance than a pirated product, you’re going to lose.

    Imagine if knock-off Guccis were of better quality than the genuine stuff. Gucci wouldn’t be able to survive either.

  • Anonymous

    Pirates forever!

  • rick

    give us our moneys back first

  • Davidhoff 13

    Enough with their fascist crap! We have concert tix being monopolized by a company that buys the rights to sell the tickets so they can charge whatever they want while providing no added service to the consumer.

    Sure money talks. But after a while it becomes a zero-sum-game. The big biz’ with their mad overhead will always fail and become inferior to the living and life. They can try to hold onto the past and they will hurt us all in order to do so.

    All these companies want is money. They do not want to provide service or a quality product. They want to slide your magnetic strip and then you may as well be meat for all they care. And for that they are destroying something vital in themselves and the world and will forever be lesser people as a result… they would rather throw away the future.

    People would love to pay for a quality product. Look at the success of WoW. Consumers have had enough of wam-bam-thank-you-mam corporate practices.

  • Anonymous

    “Our leaders are a threat to our national security”

    Agree.

  • We The People…

    Joe Biden and the people who control him, are a threat to our individual securities and rights.
    John Lennon gets shot, what does this guy get?

  • Anonymous

    While Bitten is saying shit to benefit his very few filthy rich friends from the corporation of parasites I have a question:

    Where is my job?

  • Anonymous

    “The U.S Government is CORRUPT ! Plain and Simple.”

    The constitution allow the citizen to dismiss a corrupted and abusive government who is breaking the law.

    This is the time folks!

  • Auldus

    We live now in an age of free digital information. Adapt or die.

  • FatalFuseBox

    Just what America needs: another war to add to the long list of evil nouns (Drugs, Crime, Poverty, Hunger, TERROR, etc.)

    How have those turned out?

  • me

    #115 rant-o-matic: “First of all, Mr. Joe, theft is a criminal offense, copyright infringement is not. Civil offense only.”

    Those in power can make it a criminal offense in the blink of an eye. In fact, it IS already a criminal offense in many countries, courtesy of the constant bullying by the US government to criminalize file sharing.

    And you know what? They’ll keep ignoring our point of view and we’ll keep ignoring their silly laws. Let’ em build jails for 30% of the people. Wondering how soon they’ll get bankrupt.

  • whipped

    That does it! I will no longer purchase any more movies at all. (I’ll wait for television) no matter how cheap Wal-mart sells them for. I’m done. They can keep their plastic.

    Further I will be seeking ways to buy directly from the artists through their web site etc.

  • Nick

    How much are they paying Biden to say this? Also, why doesn’t he look into the entertainment industries backdoor dealings like contracts in the Caiman Islands with various banks? (UBS, ABN, etc) Here’s another one, when the companies in the industry get audited, the word is “let’s give the auditor something fun to do” (meaning the give them the false documents and hide the real revenue).

  • jackel66

    Piracy Definition
    The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material.

    the Key here i think would be “unauthorized” If i own it i can authorize whomever to use it.. or at least that how it used to be.

  • Anonymous

    Capitalism is seriously broken and is going to collapse unless we fix it right now by destroying all the crappy corporations that “Joe Bite me” is feeding.

    Biden must resign!

  • MeMeMeMEMeMEMEME

    what a dumbass

    clean and simple? ive never heard that line before

    the saying goes “plain and simple”
    fucking stupid americans

  • me

    I can’t see pircay having a major efect on the economy as it leaves people with more money to spend.

    Also I wonder what would happen if piracy was stopped almost completely?
    When the music and movie companies don’t see all these supposed millions of dollars of lost revenue magically reappear what will they have to say then?

  • Drag0nflamez

    The US has NOTHING to do with foreign countries.

    also I guess he doesn’t understand the whole thing.

  • Anonymous

    Biden = un1337

  • me

    I work my ass off and barely make enuff money as is, no way i am going to make my self 20 bucks poorer so that a singer or movie maker or actor can be 20 million dollars richer.

    They want to live in a house with 40 bedrooms and own their own fucking lear jets off of substandard work..thats why they are fightin piracy. What makes them so fucking special. Produce good work, and I will watch the pirated copy, and still go by the DVD. Shut the fuck up Joe Biden.

  • wikiBuddha

    Recently, as my friend and I watched MMA fights, he said to me, “It’s funny, I don’t feel like a pirate.” I looked at him curiously. The guy is perhaps the kindest guy I know and the farthest from a conventional pirate as you can get. The cogs in my brain continued to spin. He pointed at the ripped MMA content we were watching. “Ohhhhh”, I finally replied. Yes, quite foolish a label indeed.

    OK, government, you want a fight? Very well. Why do you seek to differentiate, and then battle, your own people? Well, we have discovered the strongest way to fight you non-violently– by not spending money. By not supporting the “economy” on whose back you ride. You’re going down, fuckers.

  • Common Man

    Biden is Ignorant, Clean and Simple.

  • Gregg

    Isn’t there are oil spill that deserves your attention? You’re in way over your head on this one Joe, you have no idea what you’re dealing with.

  • Yarrr Matey

    When will wankers like Biden realize that they cannot stop p2p? To stop it they would have to make it so that ALL carriers are responsible for the data their node or network relays… and that’s simply not going to happen, so all efforts against us will fail in the long run.

    What a bunch of hopeless, useless, tax-wasting wankers.

  • neb

    Biden must be drunk again………
    All we do is make money for Businesses.
    Piracy=terrorism?

    Get real Joe.

    Remember that old flick, when the kid comes out and say “Say it ain’t so Joe”?

    I think it was the Black Sox…..

  • me

    #214 neb: “Get real Joe.”

    Joe was already a ferocious vocal pro-RIAA guy, even before he was nominated as vice president candidate:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10024163-38.html

    Those who voted Obama, voted for that MAFIAA-guy as well. They should have known better. All Joe’s doing here is keeping true to himself.

  • 1984

    STEAM distribution system is another good example of business done right.
    STEAM doesn’t plague your PC with DRM.
    Instead STEAM organizes games daily promotions to fish for sales, very smart and great deals if you pay attention. I still have to see the movie industry do promotions “à la STEAM”.

    The entertainment industry is supposed to seduce consumers, not scare them away.
    Hopefully natural selection will kick in and those MAAFFIA gangsters will soon go bankrupt.
    They deserve it.

  • Keith

    So piracy is a crime and they are building a task force against it, but illegal immigration is ok… sounds f*cked up to me

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  • X

    IMHO, anyone who says filesharing is a threat to national security is a lying, fascist sleazebag that represents a threat to civil liberties.

    Such a threat to civil liberties should never be in any position of authrority or power.

    Obama has failed to deliver on 90% of his verbal manifesto in the 12 months prior to being elected.

    What America has is a president that has bent to corporate pressure resulting in him failing in almost all policy areas… and to support him, VP dumbass.

    No wonder the corporate states of America is a mess and because big corporations call the shots and control the politicians… some of America’s coastlines are literally a mess, with the perpetrators facing a mere smack on the wrist for causing untold destruction through their criminally irresponsible acts.

    F*ck Obama, F*ck Biden, F*ck the Dems and F*ck the Repugs… Corporatist SCUM, the lot of them!

  • Shellish

    Using BitTorrent = Robbing a store

    Pirated DVDs = FAKE bulletproof vests (that THEY gave out to our MILITARY?)

    What is he on about? He sounds like a MPAA and RIAA puppet.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Joe, Why don’t You and Your buddy Obama concentrate on Jobs and fixing that “little Well” you all brought down screwing up our Gulf Beaches and killing wild life instead of Golfing , going to Concerts and ball games and ruining a great U.S. Generals career for telling the truth about your parties eneptness in handling world affairs. As the BP rep said in his terms stop messing with the “little People” and fix real world issues !

  • KloWn

    Oh no another government official speaking out against piracy what ever will we do hahahahaha… Maybe we should all run and hide hahaha This changes nothing, just adds another hater to the list.. Fuck them ;)

    KloWn

  • Dano

    This is what america gets for voting for “change”
    Should have voted for Ron Paul.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Biden,

    Fuck off.

    Sincerely,
    Everyone

  • Paul K

    You don’t buy movie, you are licencing the right to watch it.

    So… there are unlicenced watchers.

    People can “consume” 20 times as much media now, becasue of it’s ease of storage and transportation. If you think about it, what most people find unreasonable, is the monopoply on distribution that is held. You can only get this movie via this distribution source. We are willing to accept 40c a view when TV station shows it, or $1 a view when video store rents it, but there is no way to bear all the costs of distribution yourself, and pay a similar price.

    When you look at the pure beauty of movie collections with programs like media browser, which is entirely fan produced, you have to wonder why the content owners are sitting on their hands and not inovating.

    Is there a market for $1000 for 1000 back catalog movies (most of which will never be watched)?

    You bet, and it would generate huge profits for movies that have almost no value atm.

    Where is the competition for cheap distribution? Perhaps the vertical integration and agrements between studios should be seen as anti competitive, because they surely are.

  • why

    If Itunes was to do $1 movie flash promotions (even rentals) you can be sure I’d be all over it.
    STEAM is the proof that the promotional sales concept works.
    Why isn’t this happening for movies?

    BTW, why still no Xbox 360 Netflix in Canada? WHY?

  • Freeleech

    He declared war? ROFL. Somebody please tell him that we won this war long ago.

    /yawn

  • Dave

    Actually, if you steal from a shop you get far less a punishment – the government is encouraging physical theft — if all the pirates actually stole the product from a shop – then, and only then would they be correct in saying it costs the economy.

  • Yannis A.

    He’s a bastard capitalist like the rest of them, and seemingly cannot hide his real agenda…

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  • The Truth

    “Of course people are going to try and protect what is theirs, and governments are going to made to move (after the problem has persisted for ten years) when a basic right is threatened – the right of creators to benefit, the right for people to make a living, the right of exchange in goods and services (the rest of your lives depend on it – you won’t turn up for work without getting paid or benefitting either – why the hell would you?)”

    The right to benefit? The right to make a living?

    That is delusional. I disagree that they have any right to benefit or right to make a living. Their industry is collapsing, much like the real estate market did a few years ago. Also a lot like the construction and housing industry has already suffered. They have the right to find a new trade or possibly lose their house, vehicles, etc. Tough luck, but that is life. If the market bears no profit, maybe it’s time to move to another market, yeah?

    *If* they make a desired product *and* meet the value expectations of their customers, than they will enjoy the PRIVILEGE of benefiting financially from releasing that product. You speak as if though just throwing a shoddy movie like Far Cry together automatically makes one entitled to something. It’s sort of true but the reality is that such creators are and should be entitled only to scorn from critics and a lack of financial support for further installments of similar trash. Oh wait… that is what happened already. Seems a trend lately to make trash and blame piracy when people call it out as trash and don’t spend any money on it.

    The creators deserve their right to create and maintain authorship of their creations. Make a turd and you own the turd, but there should be no guarantee of benefit from said turd when the market value of turds is nil. Beyond that, it’s a free market and it’s pretty obvious from the rise in file sharing that it’s a market that is a lot more “free” than creators would like.

    People are actively boycotting the **AA’s. They have proven that they are not capable of adapting to the “right” of their former customers to not support their monopolies. When they are starved out and the laws are changed to support the “rights” of users, first and foremost, you may see more people willing to part with their cash.

    I have moved my entertainment dollars almost completely away from music and movies and instead support the PC game industry. When I want to listen to some music while I am gaming, I just listen to one of the 1000′s of legally owned albums I have bought over the years. No need for the RIAA. I borrow DVDs from friends enough that I rarely need to even buy one unless it’s something obscure I want to see. The last movie I saw in theaters was the 3rd LotR flick. It may very well be the last I even go to see at the rate the industry is going…

    If it weren’t for their ridiculous sense of misplaced entitlement, which you appear to enjoy reinforcing like it’s gospel, I may not feel this way.

  • Anonymous

    Joke of the day…

  • Sam I Am Not

    What they’re basically saying here is that intellectual property abuse in the name of profit is ok and needs protecting. Clean and simple? It is simple only because our elected officials are willing to force a square peg into a round hole and leave it at that. Bigger picture? What bigger picture? Fools, the lot of them.

    If national security really is a relevant issue that truly matters, the smart thing to do would be to force the entertainment industry into updating their obsolete business models, just like they’ve done many times in the past. Take the VCR for example. Hollywood proclaimed very loudly how this wonderfully beneficial invention spelled disaster for them. In a famous landmark case, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of fair use. This ultimately led to a strong new revenue stream for Hollywood and not the end they had tried to convince everyone would happen. Now they are once again in a position where our government needs to force them into figuring out how P2P file sharing can best be monetized. Do that and the problem will be solved in no time, with everyone on both sides of the fence happy.

    The reason so many people started file sharing in the first place? Greedy corporations demanding way too much money for what little the value they actually provide. Despite all the bridges that have been burnt with their sue-em-all campaigns and lobbying that often borders on corruption, I believe most consumers would happily go back to paying for their entertainment were it priced fairly. Treating everyone, including your paying customers, like thieves is not how one garners long term loyalty.

    Sadly our plea continues to fall on deaf ears. Oh, they can scheme to their hearts content and create all the new laws they want, but so long as they keep putting profit on a pedestal above humanity, absolutely nothing will change and our war will continue.

  • Ares

    The war on Drugs. The war on Terrorism. The war on Piracy. The problems with wars against ideals is that they never end. Not to mention that most of these are rather hypocritical wars.

    We have a war on drugs – other than alcohol or tobacco. We have a war on terrorism – but we can terrorize the terrorists’ country for our own religion (money). And now we can have a war against Piracy – while government officials are busy downloading the next movie.

  • Anonymous

    Does no one see what is actually going on here? Remember the Patriot Act under Bush? Yeah, the bill your grand Messiah spoke out against before he won the election? If piracy is a “threat to national security”, that convenient piece of legislation applies to pirates. Who will be a “threat” next? Will it be you?

    For the record, I am against piracy, but what they are about to do here unconstitutional. Hell, the Patriot Act is! Punishment should fit the offense. Piracy is a minor civil issue. Since Piracy is a civil issue, why should MY TAX MONEY be used to combat it? Can’t I have actual socialized medicine instead? Maybe a tax refund? Even helping to clean up the Gulf would be more useful…

    In case you Liberals haven’t realized it yet, your leaders are just as bad as the conservative ones. History will remember the Obama administration much the same way as it will remember the Bush administration. The Democratic and Republican parties are two sides of the same coin. Nearly everyone in the upper echelons of both major parties is corrupt, dishonest, arrogant, and wasteful. They do not care about you or the future of this nation.

    If you want real change, support a third party or start your own. Run for office, protest, or rebel. Just do something different.

  • dsfa

    somebody please end the world already

  • dsfa

    “If you think that there is nothing wrong with piracy and it isn’t stealing then why does everyone go on about using vpn’s and IP blockers.”

    You are a fucking asshole. I guess Nazi Germany and Pre-Civil War America were the correct forms of society?

  • HonestJohn

    Of course it’s stealing – that’s the point, but who cares. Real pirates don’t make excuses.

  • Brandon

    Obama/Biden are just puppets. I am sure someone wrote that speech for him and he prob didn’t even understand what it said. Congress is the one that runs the show!!! Obama/Biden are just the ones that take the flak for their fuckups or basically lack or doing Anything…

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  • FreePress

    The Wall Street Journal just reported that the Federal Communications Commission is holding “closed-door meetings” with industry to broker a deal on Net Neutrality — the rule that lets users determine their own Internet experience.

    Given that the corporations at the table all profit from gaining control over information, the outcome won’t be pretty.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-karr/the-fate-of-the-internet_b_620690.html

    Today Free Press launched an action designed to make the FCC more transparent in its proceedings.

    We’re sending a mass sign-on letter to the FCC and President Obama that demands that the agency “ends these secret meetings, discloses the content of its discussions with industry groups, conducts an inclusive and transparent process, and moves forward with its plan to reassert the FCC’s authority to protect Net Neutrality.”

    Check it out and add you name here:

    https://secure.freepress.net/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=465

    Thanks

  • cando22

    What do you expect from a guy who couldn’t even hold his own in a National Debate with Republican Air Brain Sarah Palin…. If Joe Biden ever had an origanal thought it died of lonliness a long time ago.. Biden is a Prime example of a Politician who’s Political opinion is the result of the last person He’s talked to… Look at his voting record.. he is a Lobbyist pleaser.. He is all over the place on any given topic that comes to the Senate floor… I wouldn’t give his opposition to P2P sharing much weight.. Everyone on the DC Hill knows he blows whichever way the wind goes….

  • Digitalbaby

    sent via http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact-vp

    Dear Mr. Biden

    I am emailing in regards to your recent commentary on filesharing “piracy is theft, clean and simple.”

    Mr. Vice President, it is not clean and simple. In the state of Texas, where I live, stealing 2 CDs (24 songs) is a Class C Misdemeanor. This carries a maximum penalty of 30 days imprisonment, and a fine of no more than $500 dollars.

    Contrast this to the Jammie Thomas case (Capitol v. Thomas), where a jury awarded $1,920,000 in statutory damages – for downloading 24 songs.

    If I stole 2 CDs and shared them with my friends, family, and anyone else I came across, the worst I could be faced with is a $500 fine – how is this anywhere near the same as the damages Jammie Thomas is being held liable for?

    Mr. Biden, this is far from a clean and simple subject. If it were clean and simple then at it’s very core, the penalties would be equal, and they are grossly inflated in the case of internet filesharing – which is usually done by individual citizens with no interest in profit.

    I would love to see my government approach this topic from an intellectually honest starting point. Begin by understanding that filesharing is not theft. The original copy is still firmly in the hands of the copyright owners. It’s akin to calling a graphic reproduction of the Mona Lisa on the Louvre website the same as the actual painting. If I have a copy of that image on my hard drive, I have not stolen it. To say otherwise is dishonest.

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  • fs

    voters dont have a voice here, only lobbyists

  • Phu@k Jose`

    What a Pile of human feces.

    Here’s our Alcoholic VP everyone, Please stand and give him a round of applause. *the croud goes wild*

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ

    Phu@k U, U slimy piece of Sh!t.

    Your days R numbered as R the Grand Wizard, NObama’s. Hope you Piles of Sh!t servive. J/K HaHaHaHaHa. Bye Bye B!tches. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU.

  • Obama / Biden supporters FAIL

    Well, you people wanted “Hope” and “Change” – and the idiotic “Pirate Party” in the US actually endorsed these clowns too…

    Honestly people, stop complaining and wake the hell up. The Left is NOT on your side.

  • Anonymous

    ‘Vice President Joe Biden is a corrupt politician with a vested interest in the copyright industry, clean and simple’, reality says.

    To call filesharing ‘theft’ is a verifiable lie, and isn’t there some kind of law in the USA that says it’s a crime for an elected official to lie to the public?

    So shouldn’t Biden be getting arrested right about now?

    …Hahahahah, just kidding. We all know good ‘ol Joe is actually exempt from the 99% of the law as a perk of having an influential position in the goverment.

    @doll

    Your fictional definition of theft is so stupid it hurts to read.

    TAKING AWAY A RIGHTFUL POSSESSION, OR POSSESSIONS, FROM A PERSON, THEREBY DEPRIVING THEM OF THE USE OF SAID POSSESION(S) WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT, IS THEFT.

    Since filesharing does not infact take any possession(s) away from anyone, it fails to be theft every bit as hard as a jellyfish fails to be a mammal.

    If GAINING something without PAYING for it legally was theft, as your anti-logic goes, then you’d be stealing every time you recieve birthday and christmas presents because, hey, YOU didn’t PAY for them legally.

    And if you’ve ever borrowed anything in your life? Stealing! Ever watched a movie over at a friend’s house? Stealing! Ever shared some frenchfries? Stealing! Ever checked a book out from the library? Stealing!

    Which brings me to this clown:

    @Martin Smith

    Your entire comment is a hollow argument revolving around the false pretense that filesharing involves the “taking away” of products, which it doesn’t.

    You ignorantly wrote, “the part of the (library) process you all seem to forget is the taking the product back so someone else can enjoy it”, but the part of the filesharing process that YOU seem to forget is that nothing is ever taken in the first place. If I illegally download Assmongers Vol. 27 by PORNPORNPORN! Inc., I don’t need to return it to PORNPORNPORN! Inc. for other people to enjoy it. Because I downloaded a COPY of it, of which there is an infinite supply, so nobody is in danger of being deprived of their cheap assfetish smut.

    The ONLY functional difference between filesharing and a library is that with filesharing, you don’t have to wait for anything to be returned before you can check it out. Also, porn. That’s it.

    Run along now, dickhole.

  • Anonymous

    @Obama / Biden supporters FAIL
    “The Left is NOT on your side.”

    And neither is The Right.

  • Yargh!?!

    Piracy isn’t theft I mean the person isn’t gonna buy all that stuff if piracy didn’t exist
    Think of it like this…
    A guy goes and downloads a $1 song he then tells all his friends(5) and they download it too then they all go to the concert($50 a ticket). Well the label and the band just made $294 and that is a win.

  • Obama / Biden supporters FAIL

    @ 250

    Which “Right?” Those centrist hypocrites who call themselves Neo-cons? They’re about as “Right” as Karl Marx.

    But that point is this – anyone who fell for Obama’s “Change” rhetoric is an idiot. And now these people are surprised?! I can’t tell you how hard I’m LOLing…

  • whipped

    I just watched the new Michael Moore movie about Capitalism. Wow!!
    I borrowed it from the library and it didn’t cost me a cent to view it. Does that make me a criminal?

    Surely your government must have more improtant things to do other than serving the corporations. How about capping that oil well and give BP a spanking while your at it!

  • Bryan

    I think the nut I’m about to bust from watching this pirated prawn I’m watching right now contains less ignorance than the apparently defective brain matter that polutes Biden’s skull.

  • Bryan

    How many corporate dicks can he fit in his anus, any bets?

  • Anonymous

    @Obama / Biden supporters FAIL

    No, the point is that ANYBODY who falls for ANY politician’s rhetoric is a fool(either that or horribly naive).

    They make great sounding promises to get elected and then break them. They feign loyalty to their constituents while their actual loyalties are to the highest bidding lobbyist at the moment. Singling out Obama and Biden like this doesn’t make much sense because they aren’t remarkably different from any other politicians.

    You’re implying people blew it by voting for the wrong choice of candidate, and that’s silly because ALL the candidates were the wrong choice.

    Are you suggesting we vote for nobody? HELL YES! That’s what I’ve done and will continue to do, because I reject being told to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, but I don’t think you’re really suggesting that.

    Are you saying we should throw away our votes on some third-party that will never, ever overcome the entrenched two-party system(and end up becoming just as corrupt is the Dems/Repubs anyway, if they weren’t already) as a form of symbolic fist-shaking?

    Are we supposed to rise up in some kind of juvenile ‘glorious revolution’, which won’t happen because most of the population is A, too anesthetized to notice things have been going very badly wrong with the USA, and B, too busy engaging in patriotic chest-thumping to admit there’s anything wrong even if they did ever notice it?

    The best we can do is to simply keep breaking unjust laws with impunity, until the point they lose all vestiges of enforceability and get subsequently abolished.

    Scapegoating a few run-of-the-mill crooked politicians and acting like there’s some great messiah we could vote for who’d solve our problems isn’t the solution. It distracts from the solution, if anything.

  • Me

    I wonder how much did they receive by doing that, most likely more than their salary.

  • Joe Biteme

    Like I care what this pos puppet says. Let me “change” the quote a little: “The corrupt monetary system hurts, it hurts our fictitious economy.” He can crack on em all he wants, I’ve already got my terabytes of worthless HQ propaganda crap I don’t really need.

  • Ebumboo

    Catch the wind.

    Biden is just a corporate fart.

  • Team America: World Police

    Putting the “F” back in Freedom.

    I thought the whole point of copyright was to protect a persons ‘creation’ from unlawful copying/infringements not as a means of protecting an income stream…

  • Derek

    People downloading music and movies are ruining the economy?

    And this entire time I thought it was those two wars which have cost in excess of $1 trillion going to companies like Halliburton that are probably charging American taxpayers $50 for a nut and $50 for a bolt (and if you think that is not happening, you are kidding yourself). Or the Wall Street guys who trick people into getting stocks while having inside information and just fattening their pockets with the misinformation they feed the public. Or the banks with their mega profits and bailouts as well.

    Man was I wrong! Forget the fact that we need better infrastructure; that has nothing to do with how our economy runs. Or the fact that we are not investing in education and causing millions to go into deep debt if they ever plan to get educated. Or the fact that our health care system is still dictated by greed. Hell our entire system is dictated by greed today. It’s no wonder JFK is gone. Someone who said “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country” was getting in the way of the people who run America today, the “Ask not what you can do for your country; ask what your country can do for you” people, and that was just the beginning of the end.

    It’s been those people who have been downloading music and movies that are bringing us down.

  • Anonymous

    Joe Biden has already shown he is no better than his predecessor and just yesterday Obama showed to the world he isn’t much better either than his predecessor by sacking the general who criticized him. I now see Obama is a handpuppet of the same evil forces that drove the previous government (Israel, NWO, Illuminati).

    The bottom line is that USA is the evil empire, Great Satan, and we the rest of the world must unite to fight them! A truly evil nation whose leaders are willing to mass murder their own citizens in false flag operations must be destroyed. Killings and abductions of innocent people all over the world are the last drop: USA must be stopped and wiped off the map.

  • Anonymous

    @262 “The bottom line is that USA is the evil empire, Great Satan, and we the rest of the world must unite to fight them! … USA must be stopped and wiped off the map.”
    Put water in your wine, troll

  • anon

    @262 “The bottom line is that USA is the evil empire, Great Satan, and we the rest of the world must unite to fight them! … USA must be stopped and wiped off the map.”
    Put water in your wine, troll

  • ROLF

    “On the digital side no websites or file-sharing applications were specifically named by Biden”

    i don’t think she could name even one.

  • Darth_Tater

    @262
    you need to change the tin foil on your head.

    @Biden

    he pirated 5 of 15 pages of his thesis citing he didnt know, prior to getting his degree and being admitted to the bar.
    Plain and Simple.
    (wiki)
    “He went on to receive his Juris Doctor from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968,[17] where by his own description he found it to be “the biggest bore in the world” and pulled many all-nighters to get by.[13][18] During his first year there, he was accused of having plagiarized 5 of 15 pages of a law review article. Biden said it was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and he was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F, which was subsequently dropped from his record.[18] He was admitted to the Delaware Bar in 1969.[17]“

  • Annoymous

    Thanks to everyone for letting this pass and letting the government fuck us over, few who does protest has no chance since all you dumbasses sits at home not caring.

    Guess this is the last of my fun.

    Thank you,

    You fucking deadbeat jerks assholes.

  • Whatever

    With no more Obama reputation to ruin, the Biden mole just came out of hiding to finally do the thing he was hired todo by the MAFIAA.

    @266 Nice to know.

  • hod

    Watching that video made me sick. Did you guys get a load of the greasy polka dot crack head skeezer? She looks like Bidens posse just finished running the train on her. You can tell they are playing footsie the whole time too. Biden you corporate shill. You speak for those you pad your pockets, not the American people.

  • WTFBBQ

    “Thanks to everyone for letting this pass and letting the government fuck us over, few who does protest has no chance since all you dumbasses sits at home not caring.

    Guess this is the last of my fun.

    Thank you,

    You fucking deadbeat jerks assholes.”

    Maybe you missed the part where they said “national security”…

    Anyone caught protesting or in any way challenging the big G’s issues of “national security” is “disappeared” for “re-education”.

  • Mutha Uckers

    Too many mutha uckers
    Uckin wi my shi

    Theres, too many mutha uckers
    Uckin wi my shi

    Too many mutha uckers
    Uckin wi my shi

    -wi my shi-

    How many mutha uckers?

    Too many to count

    Mutha uckers!

  • Bazooka Joe Blow Me Biden

    Blow it Joe blow, piracy isn’t theft and it’s not a lost sale….so give it up already!

  • AoF

    we need a pirate party.
    now.

  • John Wilson

    Most torrent users are sitting ducks. I don’t see the need for any hoopla. Just start shooting fish in a barrel. Think of the revenue to be garnered in stiff fines and penalties. There’s so many wide-open users out there, they’ll never bust them all. Lawd, think of the money! It’s a cash cow of immense proportions. They should keep the busts quiet so as not to spook the game. That way they can bust a large number of people before the lamer webshits get scared enough to knock it off.

  • gm0ney

    what a jackass, now ppl are jus gonna leet speak to prevent him from finding them

  • Stu “McChrystal”

    VP “Bite Me” can bite me!

  • Simon

    Here we go again! Another US politician who thinks he can tell the world what to do when he can’t even tell his ass from his elbow.
    We have Obama declaring war on BP and now this schmuck.
    The honeymoon period is over and Obama and his cronies will be found out for what they are – no better than the fools that came before them. Corrupt, stupid liars

  • Anonymous Gentleman

    Looks like the entire US government may soon be joining the MAFIAA witch hunts. Mr. Biden I would like to officially say, stop this madness, these witch hunts will never work. They haven’t worked for the “drug war,” they haven’t worked for the idea of “terorrism,” and again they will not work for “file-sharing.” For you cannot have a war against basic human principles, nature, or ideas. Maybe, trying to fix the damn overspending problems should be your first priority. Lastly, I would like to conclude that you stop being an asshat and start listening to the people, not your pro-copyright RIAA/MPAA buddies, I mean that is your job as Vice President, now isn’t it?

  • JAQUEBAUER

    Joe BiteMe is just another asshole in the Obama regime. The fucked up democrat progressive Marxists that have hijacked our Constitutional Republic will stop at nothing to achieve total control. We must band together and evict Obama and his Marxist thugs, before these assholes do any more harm.

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  • StevO

    COPY AND SELL if they want to treat us like criminal, then you might as well become one. Make all the money you can from ripped, copied dvds and CDs.
    COPY AND SELL. they SAY you are a criminal, you might as well be one.
    They will prosecute you anyways. Might as well make money from it, since they bacically treat you like you are.
    SELL SELL SELL SELL!!! Theres no difference in their eyes anyhow.

  • robogo

    how the bloody hell can piracy be a threat to national security?

    USA should rename themselves to USP – United States of Paranoid.

  • Anonymous

    mabey he’s got a point…..

  • Joe Bite Me!

    Isn’t plagiarism stealing too?…Joe? Joe??? Has anybody seen Joe? Did he leave the room or something? hmm…I don’t understand, we were just listening to this educational lecture from him all about how unauthorized use of intellectual property is the same as stealing and, poof, all of a sudden he’s gone. Odd, very odd.

  • The US Military

    Hey Biden, attorneys, mpaa, riaa, and FBI….

    There’s something I want you to know.

    I taught a few of your military personnel to share files through bittorrent and the ideas spread like the ebola virus through the entire base.

    The two people I taught told me that practically everyone on the base was now a filesharer and they were also teaching others from other posts.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    Maybe before you start accusing the general public, you should investigate YOUR OWN MILITARY PERSONNEL.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    I love it.

    You people are as dumb as rocks….actually, I don’t think I want to insult rocks that way by comparing them to you.

    Filesharing is getting awfully close to home isn’t it?

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    We will assimilate you….resistance is futile!

  • Doctor T

    Biden will tear it down, hey didn’t another Vice President invent the internet.. What a crock of mule dung.

  • Turky

    We have a Vice President? I never hear from him, oh wait, he was at the World Cup, and at the NHL finals, glad to see he’s working hard.

  • Sam

    How is it a threat to national security? Does that make me a terrorist…?

  • peardox

    MAFFIA : Joe, want a few million for your retirement / election funds?

    Joe : I couldn’t possibly comment

    MAFFIA : Oops, I seem to have left this rather large bag stuffed with dollars

    Joe : I’ll make sure you get the BAG back

  • Barry

    Above all, piracy prevails.

  • VIEWSONIC

    Vice President Joe Biden IS AN ARSE HOLE.better to lick his wife’s tities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • etc

    United States of Assholes

  • Paul

    According to Biden these may even be a threat to public health or national security, referring to the dramas that could come from soldiers wearing fake Kevlar vests.

    Is Biden suggesting that the government buys counterfeit goods?

    Shame on them.

  • Ivan

    “Piracy hurts, it hurts our economy”
    he coulndt have put it simpler – piracy hurst his economy, their economy, not america’s economy

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  • this is what i think.

    Economy makes enough money as it is. u might get more crimes happening if u stop piracy. which of course… will never happen.

    Big corporations are just going to blow the money on expensive shit anyways, and they have enough money as it is. Most business’s make at least 200%+ back profit on how much they invested. there no such thing as a big corporation going down unless they did stupid shit like BP and that oil spill.

  • priorities

    There are some serious priorities over killing civil liberties.
    Seriously, catch Bin Laden, stop the oil spill and clean up BP’s mess before hurricanes season starts.
    Not this.

  • Truth

    This corporate whore is just setting himself up for a fat lobbyist job with RIAA when Obama’s out of office come 2012

  • RIAAtarded

    national security… are you kidding me? Would you stop using that as a catch all excuse for poor policy and bad decision making.

  • Biden the whore

    “Piracy hurts, it hurts our economy”

    Bending over the MAFIAA is less painful and they pay me for it.

    “Piracy is theft, clean and simple”

    Unlike selling my support to the highest bidder in total disregard of the people I am supposed to serve.

    Joe

  • Jacko da Wacko

    Biden needs to be executed, plain and simple. Before he manages to create a hell hole of the whole world. US rally is the Great Satan in the west. Hope it will be completely destroyed very soon. DEATH TO USA!

  • sj

    “piracy is theft and a potential threat to national security” lol – they will be sending you to Gitmo next.

  • djc

    I was a bit concerned at first when he became VP because I knew he was bought by the entertainment industry and thus a shill for it, but then I realized what an inept mouthpiece he really is. All talk and no action. Nothing will change.

    If anything is theft, it is the industry’s business model. No worry though because most seasoned file sharers already have the good music in FLAC. Most of todays music put out by the major labels is just pure shit (Auto tune anyone??) and most better new music is not on RIAA labels. Nobama and Biden are gone in 2012 anyway, It’s a shame that is still enough time to completely wreck the USA.

  • Suck it

    I pay for every downloaded file in the form of a subscription fee to the cable company for bandwidth. If the RIAA nd MPAA feel they aren’t being compensated they should look to the telecoms.

  • lee

    Could just kill them

  • Jim

    @72 You do realize that majority of the money an artist makes is not from record sales but tours and merchandise sales, right? so yes even tho a lot of hard work goes into making a record the artist most likely knows that they get rich off merchandise/people going to shows not the 5 cents (or less) they get for every record sold.

  • Because You Can’t Torrent Beer

    @262 derek

    Well said.

  • Craig

    What an idiot.

  • Joe Biden

    @5
    So…he’s going to basically wipe out the entire Internet?

    Hellyeah – If Al Gore could create the internet, I can destroy it! Bwhahahaha!!! PS: Can somebody please tell me where to find the “Any”-key???

  • Max

    Property Is Theft

  • Jeff little from Troy Ohio

    Joe Biden:
    Paid for by the Riaa and MPaa

  • Jeff little from Troy Ohio

    You wouldn’t download a bear would you?

  • Anonymous

    Face it, we’re all terrorists and a danger to society.
    It would be much better if we bought warez in dark alleys and fund drug dealers and gangs, yeah that would be a good idea.
    These corporations are way too powerful and influential and they only think about their profit, not the well being of man.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t believe that piracy directly affects much in regard to sales of media and software,

    BUT piracy *is* theft, plain and simple. If you download, keep, and use a program illegally without the intent of ever buying it, you’re stealing it.

    File-sharing is NOT illegal or theft in and of itself, but *what* you are sharing is.

    At a library, you can borrow and share books, sure. But if you take it and never give it back, it’s illegal.

    Again: I’m not against file-sharing at all and it is very legal in many, many, cases, BUT please stop acting like you’re NOT stealing if you’re downloading copyrighted software or music. Yes, copyrights need to be reformed, but for the time being, stop trying to act like you’re doing NOTHING wrong.

    I’d like an honest argument against what I posted (no bullshit, trolls, stupid comebacks).

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  • Derek

    Man how the f does hosting Family Guy or any other movie/tv show constitute as a “National Security Threat”? What a joke.

  • D4l

    I do not suggest anyone ever break any law. But, I see the games starting. Can you out p2p the federal government. Now the game stakes are high. Does it add more appeal or scare everyone off.

  • FTBS

    Fuck the bullshit its time to throw DOWN

  • anon

    Piracy is theft. Anyone who would disagree is just tyring to keep themselves from feeling bad. I’m not saying it’s the same as sticking up a jewelry store, but nabbing a pack of gum from the grocery store is stealing also and that’s not the same as sticking a gun in someone’s face.

    All the same, I’m not going to spend $20 bucks on an album that might suck, but if I download a couple of songs from it and like it, I’ll probably go see the band in concert next time they’re in town.

    How they can possibly compare torrenting a song to a national security threat eludes me. I’m trying to imagine how downloading music leads to proving soldiers with fake kevlar vests. I can’t make the connection. It’s a nonsequitor. It’s fear mongering, plain and simple.

  • yup

    Its almost like he doesn’t realize that a huge percentage of the younger American population is a file sharer. And most of them voted for this asshat.

  • N

    This is an abomination!!

    First, If they want to pull this crap then they also need to sell licenses instead of a CD or download. You buy the license to own it forever. That way when your CD gets scratched, or your hard drive fails. You still own the rights.

    Second, No evidence that it hurts any industry. (Even Biden agrees!!) If people start getting prosecuted for downloading bands will be forced to give away their music for free. Many bands are already doing this. In the age of being able to stream music all day (pandora)…

    to see the rest of my rant, go to:http://bluewatersound.wordpress.com/

  • N

    IMHO This is almost as dumb as creating public healthcare to fix the fact that Providers charge waaaaay too much.

    If people dont think its worth the money they aren’t going to buy it. SAME GOES FOR MUSIC. especially since you can stream for free.

  • a jarvenpaa

    Why do people who pirate intellectual properties always pretend they do it for a noble cause or to send a message? You do it because you are too cheap or too broke to pay for it. That doesn’t make it legal or even morally right. Don’t make up fake causes to cover up your own shortcomings. Admit you do it because nobody can stop you and move on.

  • RumBug

    I’m with Joe on this one, 7 years ago, I was running a great independent film production company making a cool product for the youth market, we were doing great and had 20 people working for us. The product was a smash hit, and our viewer base was growing nicely … until broadband became the norm. Then as soon as we launched a new film/dvd it would put up online for our fans to download! The last project I worked on, we had the MOST hits on our website on launch, with fan mail coming from all around the world – mostly from countries we didn’t even sell to?!? Our local sales diminished, and to add insult to injury people who only downloaded the pirated copy of our DVD, would write to us and tell us how much they enjoyed the DVD and when would we make another one? It killed the franchise.

  • Corey

    Seems like some people here need to read this. As this member of the industry points out, it is silly to think that illegally downloading music doesn’t hurt. But if you won’t stop downloading music for them… Do it for you!
    http://www.soundctrl.com/blog/2010/06/09/guest-post-why-you-should-pay-for-music-by-jon-sheldrick/

  • mack

    OK…..now do something about all this p3nis enlargement spam I’ve been getting – not to mention the counterfeit watch, jewelry, and assorted clothing outlets…..

    Spamtrackers.eu has the dish….

  • anon

    is this why ninjavideo won’t work anymore?

  • Anonymous

    Our Government is the reason for America’s sucking at everything not piracy rofl.

  • ikke

    Yeah, piracy is theft. Checkmark.
    Then what?
    The point is: no matter what law you enact against it, can you ENFORCE it? :-) Because that’s the pudding’s proof: eat it.

    Now, as far as I know, so far absolutely NO US lawsuit could win in China, Russia, Iran, Brazil, etc. Hence, in those US-opponent countries (countries who don’t like the USA anyway, so they have nothing to lose) piracy will just flourish further, and the ones who will “suffer” (from the lack of piracy) will be the overpoliced West.

    I don’t think Biden’s initiative will collect wind, it will be blown over just like every other attempt in the past.

    And the key is in this word: ENFORCEMENT. Unless the Pentagon shoots each and every pirate down with a laser-guided missile such that avoids triggering WWIII, I don’t see much possibility to enforce ANY laws that the US may come up with regarding piracy.

    Sorry for the pessimistic note, but I just want to be realistic. I don’t see ANY viable way to make the Chinese do what America wants, to that’s where the game ends.

  • zach

    the way i see it, if it weren’t for piracy, I’d be stuck with the 13 songs that they play on the radio, and i’d end up shooting myself. ive discovered countless new bands etc through filesharing. theres an infinite universe of artistic media of all different styles out there thats finally available to us…but i guess its illegal to discover them. so we should just be happy with those 13 songs right?

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