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Revisiting The Purpose Of The Copyright Monopoly: Science And The Useful Arts

If there’s one thing that needs constant reminding, it’s the explicit purpose of the copyright monopoly. Its purpose is to promote the progress of human knowledge. Nothing less. Nothing more.

While the copyright monopoly has many different origins that have come together under this umbrella of hodgepodge different monopolies, few copyright monopoly laws are as clear on its purpose as the one in the United States of America.

In its Constitution, we read the following:

[Congress has the power] to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

This passage is notable for a number of different things.

We begin by noting it says that Congress has the power, and not the obligation, to create this monopoly. Thus, the US Congress could abolish the monopoly tomorrow if there was political will. Those who claim that the copyright monopoly is “constitutionally guaranteed” are simply wrong. One hundred percent, 180 degrees wrong.

Second, we should make careful note of its language. This passage enables the US Congress to make two kinds of monopolies: copyright monopolies and patent monopolies, respectively. Science and the useful arts. The “science” part refers to the copyright monopoly, and the “useful arts” has nothing to do with creative works – it is “arts” in the same sense as “artisan”, that is, craftsmanship.

So let’s start looking at what is not in this passage.

The first and obvious thing we note is that the purpose of the copyright monopoly isn’t to enable somebody to make money, and never was. Its sole purpose was and is to advance humanity as a whole. The monopoly begins and ends with the public interest; it does not exist for the benefit of the author and inventor.

Thus, the copyright monopoly is a balance between the public’s benefit of progress of humanity’s overall knowledge, and the same public’s interest of having access to that knowledge. The balance of the copyright monopoly is one between two interests of the public.

Make careful note that the copyright industry is not considered a stakeholder and that their interests are not considered valid for the purpose of making these laws; they are beneficiaries of the monopoly, for certain, but they are not stakeholders and their interests are not to be considered in making the law.

The second thing we note is the “science” part. The US Constitution only gives Congress the right to protect works of knowledge – educational works, if you like – with a copyright monopoly. “Creative works” such as movies and music are nowhere to be found whatsoever in this empowerment of Congress to create temporary government-sanctioned monopolies.

Which brings us to the third notable item: “the exclusive right”. This is what we would refer to colloquially as a “monopoly”. The copyright industry has been tenacious in trying to portray the copyright monopoly as “property”, when in reality, the exclusive rights created are limitations of property rights (it prohibits me from storing the bitpatterns of my choosing on my own hardware).

Further, it should be noted that this monopoly is not a guarantee to make money. It is a legal right to prevent others from attempting to do so. There’s a world of difference. You can have all the monopolies you like and still not make a cent.

The fourth notable item is the “for limited times”. This can be twisted and turned in many ways, obviously; it has been argued that “forever less a day” is still “limited” in the technical sense. But from my personal perspective – and I’ll have to argue, from the perspective of everybody reading this text – anything that extends past our time of death is not limited in time.

Now, other countries have other rationales for the copyright monopoly (which, as I described earlier, is a hodgepodge of monopolies ranging from a commercial exclusivity on performances, to a statutory right to being named as an author – two obviously quite different mechanisms that should never have had the same name).

The original copyright monopoly, which was enacted by Queen Mary I on May 4, 1557, was created as a repressive tool against freedom of speech in order to crush political opposition. Victor Hugo’s Berne Convention 400 years later was primarily focused on so-called moral rights of authors – the right to be named as author, for instance.

But no law lays out the purpose of the monopoly this clearly. The key takeaway here is that there’s no law whatsoever written with the purpose of enabling somebody to make a living doing their favorite pastime. That is not and has never been the purpose of the copyright monopoly.

I find it quite useful to point at the US Constitution when people think that the copyright monopoly is somehow there to guarantee somebody’s right to make money.

There’s no such thing, nowhere on the planet, not for any entrepreneur.

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Rick Falkvinge is a regular columnist on TorrentFreak, sharing his thoughts every other week. He is the founder of the Swedish and first Pirate Party, a whisky aficionado, and a low-altitude motorcycle pilot. His blog at falkvinge.net focuses on information policy.

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  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    So the law of Copyright isn’t really to create an industry of extortion, bribery and thievery from all the great performers, actors, and artistes?

    Cool :)

    • SomeYahoo

      or isn’t to control everything where everyone must live in fear and defer to you like peasants like a king, even to the point of your own demise through obscurity, like many artists choose to do

    • Who

      yes you may be reading it and understanding it correctly and as it should be, but the US and the RIAA/MPAA don’t fallow it at all. like I have said before, the DMCA is directly violating the Constitution.

      BTW this has been floating around for a wile but no one has really noted it. I have found out that by watching a current movie that the US ISP Comcast has bought Universal studios. and also that Time Warner “aka time Warner cable aka road runner cable” owns them. in other words the MPAA is in direct control of most of the US ISP’s. so basically P2P is completely FUCKED at some point.

      • Danny

        Well Time Warner merged AOL 11 years ago and just look at AOL now after they split the other year. It just goes to show how well the entertainment industries can manage a modern business where you actually need to compete in the marketplace….

  • chronoss

    here is an example

    basic edition dungeons and dragons , both authors are passed on , its over 35 plus years old NOT sold directly any more and YET
    if i made a game in a browser based on 4-5 books i cant make any money for doing something with it…and enhancing it and thus making a new work.

    no one has done this so go ahead they told me i could as long as i dont make money….

    well thats incentive isn’t it?
    TO show you how popular it would be on a defunct ebook torrent site that had those books i put the half finished game up and of the 2500 members inside one day ( 24 hrs ) 2400 grabbed a copy.

    So just who is NOT benefiting here? ME of course cause i cant make a buck for my efforts and YOU. “YOU”? well your not getting a game like this done unless THEY WOTC have complete control , a license thats too expensive to get and make most of the profits from and it will be far more expensive then anything i put together.

    If copyrights are to further society how is this help it and the authors ( BOTH ARE NOW DEAD ) from a set of books that are no longer even sold….haha
    the whole thing is a joke and one day when the earth faces a doom , i’ll say maybe if we had no patents and copyrights someone might have invented the fix….

    this form a censorship and control will be the doom of humankind, mark my words.

    • SomeYahoo

      i totally get ya, i would like to make series but what would happen is i will end up committing a sita sings the blues because the songs i want to use are copyrighted

      i actually would be fine licensing them IF THE LICENSE COSTS WHERE ACTUALLY SANE i’m talking like 1 to 10$ per song not 100000000$ per song like it is now, god forbid it is a popular song then it’d be like 9945974397543509379357353billion $$ to license it!

      no wonder people just say screw it and use what they want anyway, or give up

      • chronoss

        ya its even worse when the people that created something are passed on, and my idea wasn’t to monetize to begin with but as a tribute to the two dead authors …its why the game was half finished….peoples started saying you could make a buck with this….and i looked into it and realized its a waste a my time cause as i explain yea i can do it cause i own the original books , i can host it but with no possibility to make a buck i cant afford to host cause of bandwidth and i’ll add i agree . There open gaming liscense in this case makes it very restricted cause of the fact THERE books are part of the code , that i used my mind to bring it to the math and code has no bearing and you’d need ot buy those books which you can’t or if you can its hard to find.

        i had thought screw it make it and just toss it out to pirates but i run a HUGE risk and one that im not willing to take ….
        even though in my home country NON commercial maximum for all YOUR infringement is only 5 grand….to do commercial infringement is 20000 fine per each infringement ya is each file then an infringement? that would be nuts

    • Wormlore

      “(…) and one day when the earth faces a doom , i’ll say maybe if we had no patents and copyrights someone might have invented the fix….”
      Oh, I can totally see that coming: a giant asteroid moves towards the Earth. All the world governments agree to blow it up with a nuke… and there comes a lawyer who objects that this method has been used in “Armageddon” and thus can’t be copied without paying copyrights to the studio. XD

  • Dondilly

    If copyright lasted until the end of the world less 1 day, the mayans predict copyright will end on dec 20th this year.

    24hrs gloating at the MAFIAA ‘s world ending a day before everyone else. Knowing our luck they would use their 24hrs headstart in the hereafter to impose copyright there too.

    • Killer

      How can you trust the Mayans that so called predicted the end of the world when they didn’t even see their own ending
      Lmao

      • Anyone

        they also didn’t consider leap years
        the mayan calender ended a few months ago

      • chronoss

        its not the ending of the world , morons say that its the end of a “CYCLE” and the calendar was inherited form another race the olmecs use some research….

    • Danny

      I think its very convenient that without prior knowledge of the Gregorian calendar the end of the world lands on the 20/12/2012.

      In other words its total bollocks.

  • Violated0

    There are not many days when I can’t fault the ideas of Rick Falkvinge but this is one of those days when he is spot on. Well done an excellent coverage of the situation but of course Congress has much warped things since. I am sure the MAFIAA shrills will soon reply back.

    These days I do see more arts progression outside of the copyright cartels which benefits society when they only benefit their own income and greed. If Hollywood vanished tomorrow I believe life would go on just fine for all.

    • Violated0

      In fact I will show you local freaks a world game changer when the Humble THQ Bundle pack is now out… http://www.humblebundle.com/

      You can have all these top rated PC games for only $1…
      Darksiders
      Company of Heroes
      Company of Heroes – Opposing Fronts Expansion
      Company of Heroes – Tales of Valor Expansion
      Red Faction Armageddon
      Metro 2033

      Or beat the average (currently $5.64) and you also get… Saints Row: The Third

      You also get the soundtracks included. If you pay under $1 you then only get the soundtracks. You can also decide how you payment should be split between THQ, Humble and Charity. Download is via Stream.

      Under 10 days left on this pack and over 570,000 sold so far. You won’t find a better way to sell a product on this planet.

    • Danny

      You only have to look at open source software to realise we need about 0 copyright protection for technology and software to benefit society.

      • chronoss

        youd not need t gpl if copyrights were null, as hte sharing of all operating systems would make them all great and free….

        thats one aspect many dont get the gpl and others are needed to offset the evils of closed source licensing

  • Anon

    Wow! Now THIS has REALLY advanced the cause of piracy. lol
    well done.
    Now back to business as usual.

    • Anyone

      got nothing constructive to contribute?

    • Guest

      Unable to refute anything in Rick Falkvinge’s article, Anon decides to simply post bullshit and hope people don’t notice he’s got nothing.

      (We did notice, though. Whoops.)

      Y’know Anon, if the government ever starts actually obeying the Copyright Clause in the Constitution, you and the MAFIAA will be completely fucked. Sleep tight. :)

    • SomeYahoo

      “Now back to business as usual.”

      what business, trolling?

    • Guest

      You mean crowding under Daddy Pelouzey’s special desk for some industry white chocolate, while gloating over how you’re moving onto (or should that be back?) suing children?

      You psychopaths have very, very strange definitions of what constitutes as “business”, much less “victory”.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      These ideas do not merely advance the cause of Piracy, THEY ARE the cause of Piracy.

      They explain that in our Western Democracies a vicious theft of the rightful HUMAN domain in intellectual Property has been perpetrated by Monopoly Corporations under the cover of existing Copyright Law.

      What DO Pirates take?

      They take back IDEAS that should have never been corporately conscripted from their rightful place in the Public Domain.

      WHAT do Pirates take?

      They take back HUMAN RIGHTS that should NEVER have been so thoughtlessly devalued by having been measured and weighed on the same profane Scales as Corporate Profits.

      These legislatively protected Corporations DARE to show face in our Appellate Judiciaries and in our Legislature claiming that their Rights to protected Profits are in some way Constitutionally comparable to OUR Constitutional Rights to Privacy; to freedom from Censorship; to Presumption of Innocence; to access to our Federal Courts; to be represented by Legislatures that are NOT elected by Money.

      What Insanity creates these conditions; and, what Insanity tolerates them?

      What do Pirates TAKE?

      They take back the common decency that is now disgracefully ABSENT from our worst laws.

      • chronoss

        yup and its why in frustration i gave my code out to that ebook piracy website….hehe at least 2400 pirates have something to go on ….and you can’t then say i was about money….

    • Hehe

      you seems like obsesset fanatic.like religious fanatics, or terrorists.who think they are right.nooe normal who earn monney from that so called “coppyright” war, not spending time on site like this.only some fanatic like you.sorry dident wanted to be rude. but you seems to have some mental problems ?

      • chronoss

        write much english or are you one of thsoe mpaa lawyers that are hispanic as many are?
        no really at least make a sentance without making my mind hurt ( ya mispell words but gee leaving entire words out dont help you)

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      You mean as in pointing out that “Copyright” as we know it today is based on lies, false premise, and a con game completely unrelated to what the lawmakers intended?

      Yes, I do believe it advanced the cause of piracy. Pray tell me, Anon, how that moral ground you claim to be sitting on feels like?

    • Jmorse43508

      More drivel from the MAFIAA paid troll Anon.

      As usual, you have nothing to say here, and the only ones who believe the lies and BS you spew are Pelouzer and Netjillpirater (the imposter using that name, not the real one).

      PLONK!

  • TottiTT

    I suppose there are several passes contradicting in certain cases. Otherwise this would’ve been used long time ago, by ‘Hollywood’ itself if not others. ? ‘[Congress has the power] to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.’

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Actually, the reason we have “copyright law” as it looks today is because ‘Hollywood’ DID exploit those passages by lobbying very hard for congress to go way beyond what the constitution ever encompassed.

      Falkvinge has a VERY good series of how copyright evolved. Starting here:

      http://falkvinge.net/2011/02/01/history-of-copyright-part-1-black-death/

      The clincher comes in part 2 where “Bloody Mary” instituted the formalized “copyright” as a censorship tool. Creating a private agency – the guild of stationers – to oversee that nothing was printed without government sanction.

      When their charter was revoked the entire guild – by then very wealthy and influential – tried to keep copyright and their powers of legalized extortion, but this time, “for the authors”. Hem, hem.

      And that’s where this leaves us.

      • chronoss

        the reaosn you have copyright today is the ability of corproates to bribe your so called wannabe democracy and bend it to there will ….what good is voting when they just pay for the laws.

        that is the truth

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Not originally, no. “Copyright” in it’s current form was established in the 16th century, originally as a form of government censorship.

          Even back then it was heavily criticized – and the concept has only come under increasing fire with every new step of technological progress. Mass communication based on nothing but an expensive and cumbersome printing press was – barely – controllable under a draconian regime.

          Now? Not so much.

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  • Sequentus

    I’m not sure I understand how a copyright monopoly is in the interest of the public. How does the public benefit from it?

    • Anyone

      the idea is that if you restrict it, more people are likely to create something, because it is now “protected”

      today we of course know that is not true, in the last decade we had a surge in culture not because of copyright, but despite it

      • Sequentus

        Ahh, I see, thank you. I certainly agree that this line of reasoning has been proven wrong, at least in the modern age.

        Claiming “ownership” of an idea can never lead to good. Authorship, sure, but private ownership, no. It’s as absurd as saying you own love, or past actions, or numbers. They are non-diminishable, non-material things, and the very concept of ownership is not compatible with them, just the same as with ideas.

      • chronoss

        BUT in an age of the computer so much gets created that we need to use , then that protected use is actually a restriction
        and thus like my story above a developer will say nope not gonna do it. and humanity loses something

        seriously so much is being lost now cause all hollywood as we know it now is just lawyers looking to monetize at all costs….

        why else restrict someone 75/150 years …no really. A child goes this is neat grows up and dies and never can invent or create anew or off of as our forebears did….

        THIS is almost a tragety for what idf like patents someone shy’s away form a drug or some research that might lead to some cure?
        YOU apply copyrights to making doors and you see how stupid and restrictive it is. WHAT about cars , lets give the workers that make them carrights….everytime you get in one for 75 years you pay 10$
        yea me thinks we know whose time will be short lived. THE usa economy is now reaping what it sewed on it and will self implode as less and less gets done.

  • icec0ld

    Protection of copy write was used to prevent the mooching of and copying of other peoples work for “profit”. Internet Piracy for the most part has anything but profit is the last thing anyone gets in a bit torrent swarm.

    Rather as we’ve seen piracy promotes work and creates further awareness of the product increasing potential customers for current and future products. They should be thanking pirates, not chasing them and beating their legit customers to death with pointed sticks and digital rights management tools. Some smaller bussinesses have already embraced this idea and released and supported pirated copies of their wares and the sooner they follow suit, the sooner they can begin making more money than they’d currently be wasting on frivolousness lawsuits.

    • Dang Ren Bo

      TIP: You need to learn to spell copyright before anyone will take your opinions on it seriously.

      • icec0ld

        oops

    • chronoss

      NO it was to allow a creater a little bit a time and money to keep making so in my story above they are both dead….
      they cant create more and they cant get more money…yet i am hindered …nice eh myself being physcially disabled and not able to do something for everyone cheaply and ill add far cheaper then WOTC prolly would

  • OneEyedWillie

    If you want to know how bad things are abused just look at Mickey Mouse and the Disney Corporation. They make me want to puke. They are pure greed and everything that is wrong with AMERICA! That shit should have been in the public domain a long time ago.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Especially where in the US Disney and a few other like-minded corporations managed to get copyright extension granted retroactively.

      In short, robbing the public of everything which had already landed in the public domain over the course of a twenty-year period.

    • chronoss

      and now they own star wars////
      thats it …its dead now.

  • JimTonJo

    That whole idea sounds kinda scary to me dude.
    http://www.Mask-Dat-IP.tk

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  • Roswell1701

    In my opinion, the analysis of the language in the U.S. Constitution presented in this article, while open to debate, is a relatively sound thesis of what Copyright Law WAS INTENDED TO BE. As to what Copyright Law has MORPHED INTO with regard to the “artist,” this quote from my post to the article IT’S TIME TO DEBUNK THE MYTH THAT COPYRIGHT IS NEEDED TO MAKE MONEY is worth reposting…

    “The Industry invests in the artist, therefore, the artist and the artist’s work become the PROPERTY of the Industry. The legal construct of COPYRIGHT, therefore, serves not to protect the artist but to protect the Industry’s initial investment and potential profits.”

    I stand by this assertion. :)

    • chronoss

      ill argue you go and get one of those copyright trolls here , the first words out of his mouth isnt about art its about money money money and thus they are not true artists nor are they inventors they are product designers seeking to reem the public of its purse and take from society contributing as little to it in the process as possible.

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  • BobMail

    An amusing post, but it’s incredibly myopic and not at all in keeping with the spirit of the law, and what is in the constitution for Americans.

    Basically, if you look at the very, very, very short term (12 months), it would appear that patents (or copyright for that matter) is a negative because it makes it harder for you to get something. However, if you stand back and expand your view to something more reasonable (say 20 years in each direction), you will more clearly see how patents have encouraged investment in research and development, and how in the longer run, patents do exactly what they were intended to do.

    See, the real point is that when time, money, and man power are put towards something, you can get it done. The best way for that to happen is the power of financial incentive. The US (and western Europe) grew to be the strongest for many decades because there was huge investment from the public AND private sectors to move things ahead.

    People point to places like Japan, India, or China as examples of what happens when you have weak or no patent laws, but they fail to accept that the fast improveemnts seen in these countries came by leeching off of the patent work done in other, more advanced countries. China’s big gains have come exactly by taking western society developments, and at best refining them. They have only just started to really add their own stuff to the mix, and not surprisingly, it comes at a time as they work toward tougher standards for copyright and patent enforcement.

    Quite simply, once you stop looking at the end of your nose, you can actually see that the patent laws do exactly as set forward. I know it doesn’t meet up with the agenda of the site here, but too bad – sometimes the truth hurts.

    • Anyone

      patents are bad
      there have been studies about that

      they stifle progress instead of promoting it, the best example that gets wide news coverage is the recent trolling by Apple that just sue everyone with bogus patents so that they can keep selling their inferior products, because they sued the better products off the market

      • BobMail

        As I mentioned to Rick, that is s-h-o-r-t t-e-r-m. Those patents run 15 years, give or take, at most. Some of those patents are pretty poor, and should be fought. But really, Apple (and every other company) is more than willing to license technology off, see the HTC / Apple deal. It’s part of the process.

        The question always comes, would Apple (or competitors) put so much effort and money into developing new things if they couldn’t make the money back somehow? The answer is no.

        Patents in the end help you get what you really want way faster than an unregulated market would allow.

        “there have been studies about that”

        There are also studies that show that this food or that food is good or bad for you, and contradictory studies right after as well. The best way to confirm the patent system works is that the US has the strongest system, and not remarkably has lead advances in many fields for the last century.

        The proof is in reality, not in a one sided study.

        • Danny

          “The question always comes, would Apple (or competitors) put so much effort and money into developing new things if they couldn’t make the money back somehow? The answer is no.”

          The answer is actually yes, and they did. Look back before software patents were commonplace (they were technically illegal in the US until around the start of the 90s). Apple, M$, Novell, etc, all spent millions of dollars developing software.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          S-H-O-R-T T-E-R-M as in 400 years worth of empirical data showing the opposite of what you claim?

          And as for proof…no, i beg to differ. History and historical evaluation are not “one-sided”.

        • chronoss

          i would argue like moores law as computers increase in processing power so too should patents be reduced in time , as well as copyrights….with tech i can do a ton of stuff faster and more efficiently then 15 years ago….

        • BobMail

          @ devil:

          Please show the 400 years of data… not sure where you are going with this.

          @ Danny:

          The investments made in the dawn of the computer era were made with only the considerations of what was at the time and endlessly expanding marketplace. There was not as much risk, because the buying base was expanding faster than the manufacturing and creation side.

          Today, we have the opposite problem. Endless numbers of monkeys turning out code, and fewer and fewer new buyers in the marketplace.

          It should be noted that Novell, Microsoft, and Apple all took the time and effort to obtain patents, copyrights, trademarks, and every other possible protection they could in order to secure their markets. Your post pretty much makes my point for me.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “@ devil:

          Please show the 400 years of data… not sure where you are going with this.”

          Pick up a history book? As far as patents and licenses are concerned, EVERY nation to catapult itself to the next tier of progress managed to do so by steadfastly running decidedly lax patent and license laws. The last 400 years can easily be extended as far back as you like.

          Most damning is that the US during the 1st world war if they had allowed the airplane patents kept would never have developed an air force at all. France being the pre-eminent air power at the time.

          The entire development of the british empire and the industrial revolution could not have existed at all if patent law and licenses had been observed. This is fairly obvious.

          And while we’re at the topic, your observation of China and Japan are hilariously bad as well. China under Chairman Mao and Japan post-WW2 are NOT good examples. Especially given that the japanese actually led innovation in manufacturing.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “It should be noted that Novell, Microsoft, and Apple all took the time and effort to obtain patents, copyrights, trademarks, and every other possible protection they could in order to secure their markets.”

          All of whom have been shown – and in at least one court case, demonstrated – to use patent rights to set aside market conditions altogether. Your example more or less makes OUR point.

          Remind me, does the anti-trust suit against Microsoft or Apples hamhanded attempt to run Samsung off the market in Germany using the patent of “rectangular communications device with rounded corners, centered screen and aluminium reinforcement” ring a bell?

          SCO trying to extort money from Red Hat, Novell, Lexus and Toyota due to allegedly owning two strings of linux code?

          Most damning of all, right after the Human Genome project, a lot of european laboratories having to cease cancer research due to cease-and-desist letters from a US corporation, invoking “ownership” of the BrC1 gene?

    • http://twitter.com/Falkvinge Falkvinge

      Patents don’t do the slightest of what they are supposed to be doing, unless by “supposed to” you mean slow down innovation immensely, transfer R&D assets to lawyers, and make venture capitalists pissed off.

      For more, see “Ten myths about patents”: http://falkvinge.net/2011/06/21/ten-myths-about-patents/

      • BobMail

        No Rick, this is why you get it wrong. You can join assclown Mike Masnick doing the myopic looking at a single point and forgetting the entire system method.

        Look, patents after the fact are SOMETIMES used in poor ways. But to look only at how a few patents are used by some as legal weapons is to ignore the greater good.

        It’s pretty simple: If you removed patents tomorrow, yes you would get a sudden surge of innovation. Nobody denies that. However, the point of progress isn’t what you get today, it’s what you get tomorrow and all of those tomorrows. Removing financial incentive from the system, removing the process by which large invested sums are recouped is to remove what drives the bigger picture of long term innovation.

        Look at medicine. The process to get a drug developed, tested, and past the FDA (and other boards around the world) is frighteningly expensive. The legal liability for putting that drug on the market is insane. If you allow third parties to produce knock offs without accepting any of the risk or costs to produce the product, you take away the incentive for anyone to put their necks on the line.

        I’m sorry, but myopic, short term thinking is like eating all the food in your fridge in a single meal. You won’t have anything to eat for the rest of the week as a result, but you will feel full and satisfied in the short term. Short term thinking is something that gets everyone in trouble.

        • http://twitter.com/Falkvinge Falkvinge

          No, I am quite specifically looking at the big picture when I assert and opine that the patent system as a whole needs to go. While there may be individual success stories, on the whole, the system is a tremendous drag on our economy and on innovation.

          In the US alone, patent trolls have drained half a trillion dollars from the economy.

          You are right in the pharmaceutical industry being an exception (being the only industry with a net positive from patent monopolies). However, the reason this particular industry is an exception is that the patent monopolies allow for extortion of the public – drug subsidies make up an enormous windfall for the pharma industry (which gets 83% of its revenue from tax coffers, yet only spends 15% of it on R&D, and another 30% of it on manufacturing. The rest? Monopoly deadweight.)

          Therefore, decoupling research and production would seem an ideal solution in the pharma case.

          Look at pharma’s own numbers. They don’t spend more on R&D of new drugs than Boeing or Airbus do. And surely you wouldn’t suggest Boeing’s or Airbus’ products are not expensive to research?

          Cheers,
          Rick

        • Danny

          Bob insulting Mike and this isn’t even TD!

        • chronoss

          so the two dead authors of basic edition dnd are supposed to keep getting monies and stop poor me cause i cant afford a license to do something people want and yet i cant afford to bring to them

        • Whatever

          “If you removed patents tomorrow, yes you would get a sudden surge of innovation.”

          So you agree that for the purpose of progress copyrights needs to be immediatelly abolished. Why wait until tomorrow.

          “by which large invested sums are recouped is to remove what drives the bigger picture of long term innovation.”

          Although doubtfull, when it might eventually slow down the copyright system can be reintroduced to give it another surge of innovation. And you can just go back and forth indefinetally to keep the surge going.

          Assuming that you are for innovation and not filling pockets, wouldn’t that make you happy ?

          “Look at medicine” like “DCA” which is left in realm of uncertainty and also criminals that try to make money by selling wrong chemicals. All just because (more) profit cannot be made from researching it.
          Does it or doesn’t it work ? It would make life much better if it does.

          “liability” ? That one is always funny. The chiefs are never responsible for their actions, CEO’s and politicians alike. How often does a CEO go to jail for knowingly selling death (Paying fines from the corporate treasury is not liability).

        • BobMail

          “So you agree that for the purpose of progress copyrights needs to be immediatelly abolished. Why wait until tomorrow.”

          No, please learn to read.

          I said that there would be a short term burst, as there is always some drag created right now because of patents. However, that drag is in areas that might not have even existed or been developed without patents.

          ” And you can just go back and forth indefinetally to keep the surge going.”

          Not really. The investment is made with the knowledge of a secured future. If you make that future insecure by making it possible to pull the rug out from under people at any time, you might as well not have it at all, the effect is the same.

          “”liability” ? That one is always funny. The chiefs are never responsible for their actions, CEO’s and politicians alike. How often does a CEO go to jail for knowingly selling death (Paying fines from the corporate treasury is not liability).”

          I was only addressing the business / investment risk and liability, not anything personal. If you have an ax to grind about other stuff, that is another discussion. The point is that all of the costs and all of the risks (including financial liability if things go wrong) is an incredibly large thing to overcome, and something generic / knock off companies wouldn’t have to face. It would create an unfair market place, and remove the incentive to move forward. Why take the risk for others to get the reward?

        • Whatever

          Patents keeps companies away from inventing for up to 20 years at a time because they will sit on it for as long as possible. If Intel and AMD (and VIA) could use each others technologies freely the CPU technology would leap forward which isn’t an improvement (nor worse) for the Intel and AMD entities but is better for everyone else.

          “The investment is made with the knowledge of a secured future. ”
          There is no such thing as a secured future. You sound like the MAFIAA that wants to secure their financial future. Going back and forth is not a problem. It is common political practice to take the rugs from under the population on a daily basis. Nothing new.

          “If you have an ax to grind about other stuff”.
          You started on liability expenses as an excuse for patents. A patent was not meant collect money to protect someone from their responsibilities.

          Without patents the money gets (somewhat) disconnected from the ideas. This will cause more people with a good idea/improment to have a chance to use it instead of waiting for the original patent to end.

          I disagree with Rick Falkvinge though that the pharma industry has a positive effect as they slow innovation development (or we were on a different page). A “keep alive” medicine is worth much more than any medicine that actually cures. If a cure is invented today, it will be buried until all other existing and future patented medicine has expired as not to kill their other medicine business. Without patents they would cycle much faster through their stock of old ever increasingly effective medicine.

        • lattari

          Good luck with trying to have a conversation here that doesn’t involve banalities like “Fuck the MAFIAA”.

          To me, this comment section has become the strongest deterrent from piracy, I’ve yet to face. The arguments and logic behind many comments are incredibly dogmatic, or like BobMail said, shortsighted. Anybody not agreeing is a troll, no matter how reasonable their argument or question.

          Personally, I’m experiencing the same effect I had reading far-left columnist discussing christianity; they made me want to go back to church.

          As for the article, Rick’s train of thought was incomprehensible. He clearly interpreted the law through his heavy disdain for patents and copyrights, making this article as silly as some of the more extreme views from copyright trolls.

          Starting from the beginning, Rick claimed the law didn’t empower the protection of creative works, or art. Yet, that’s what the law specifically says, and it goes on to even mention “…Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.” How can you possibly read this as if it wouldn’t include creative works, such as novels? Why would you even make such a claim, Rick?

          I’m not going to go through each point in the article. I just saw it as a page long exercise in selective interpretation and astounding leaps of logic. Maybe you, Rick, are too emotionally involved in this issue to make any sense. I don’t know, but to claim that abolishing profit motive would increase the volume and quality of research, is absurd.

          What is wrong with being realistic. Maybe this movement would be taken a bit more seriously, if you stopped advocating communist style, let’s-share-everything
          stances. Copyright and profit motive is most certainly not all bad. I would be happy, if we could get the 28 year copyright back for entertainment.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @lattari

          “To me, this comment section has become the strongest deterrent from piracy, I’ve yet to face. The arguments and logic behind many comments are incredibly dogmatic, or like BobMail said, shortsighted. Anybody not agreeing is a troll, no matter how reasonable their argument or question.”

          Agree 100%

        • Fredrika

          > “Agree 100%”

          Isn’t 100% the same degree of certainty that you felt when you claimed with absolute certainty that non-profit filesharing was illegal in Spain, which it obviously wasn’t?

          How can we trust your 100% after that? How can you trust yourself when you feel something to the degree of 100%?

          Maybe you should take a lesson from George Constanza when it comes to instincts, and assume that you’re always wrong, no matter what you’re convinced of?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Not really. The investment is made with the knowledge of a secured future.”

          That’s not how the free market works. If it did, we’d have to abolish most of it. Investments are always “taking a risk”. If the reasoning carries, money is made. If it is not, money is lost.

          That is why Ericsson, despite losing no market, having an unchanged net worth and solid investments in the form of pending contracts worth billions could still see their stock crashing to less than 1/10th of their value literally overnight.

          Your arguments are not reconcilable with observed reality. I suggest you go back and polish up on Smith and Friedman. According to YOUR arguments, we are living in a predictable plan economy.

          “It would create an unfair market place, and remove the incentive to move forward. Why take the risk for others to get the reward?”

          You mean like Google does it?
          Like Oracle did with Java?
          Like Sun Microsystems did with OpenOffice?
          Like Canonical does with Ubuntu?
          Like Red hat does with Fedora?

          The entire FOSS sector is built on the premise that the winning company will be the one which presents the superior product in the way which attracts the most consumers. This is basically the core of capitalism.

          What you are arguing for is that companies could not survive without a certain monopolization. If that’s your opinion then you really have no call on naming other people “myopic”.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @lattari

          “I don’t know, but to claim that abolishing profit motive would increase the volume and quality of research, is absurd.”

          The problem is that “profit motive” is abolished under copyright and patents which extend state-sponsored monopolies. Monopolies are, in essence, incompatible with basic fundamentals of capitalism which assumes consumer pressure and entrepreneurism.

          In short, you are standing with the communists, desperately trying to prevent the free market.

        • BobMail

          @Falkvinge:

          You said:

          “In the US alone, patent trolls have drained half a trillion dollars from the economy.

          You are right in the pharmaceutical industry being an exception (being the only industry with a net positive from patent monopolies). However, the reason this particular industry is an exception is that the patent monopolies allow for extortion of the public – drug subsidies make up an enormous windfall for the pharma industry (which gets 83% of its revenue from tax coffers, yet only spends 15% of it on R&D, and another 30% of it on manufacturing. The rest? Monopoly deadweight.)”

          There is so much here that isn’t valid, it’s hard to start. But let’s have a go at the top.

          “patent trolls” don’t drain money out of the economy. That is to suggest they collect the cash and then put it in a mattress or perhaps burn it in a big metal can in the back yard. That’s just not the case. They money doesn’t disappear out of the economy, it just goes in different directions.

          Understand, this is the same argument that anti-copyright people use to support piracy, saying that lost sales in music are not a negative on the economy because they money just gets spent in other places, goes in other directions.

          Further, as licensing fees and such are generally passed on to consumers as very small increases in retail price on things, it’s not the huge “drain” you claim. That argument pretty much fails all the way down the line. Again, it’s myopically looking at one thing and not considering it’s larger implication in the overall cycles of the economy.

          “which gets 83% of its revenue from tax coffers”

          Here’s another blank and blind line. Where do you get that number from? Are you combining every government pay out, every government program, every social program, support program, and such to try to make something appear like it isn’t? The US government doesn’t buy 83% of the medication, plain and simple. Not sure where you come up with this fantasy number from.

          “yet only spends 15% of it on R&D, and another 30% of it on manufacturing. The rest? Monopoly deadweight.”

          Nope, the rest of it is called marketing, promotion, insurance (one of the biggest expenses for drug companies) as well as programs to help people less fortunate to be able to afford their medications. Since I don’t see any drug companies out there reporting 55% net profits, once again your numbers just seem like such crap.

          As someone else mentioned, you seem to have to much of an emotional tie here, you seem not to be able to properly filter the facts out, and all you are retain and spewing back are the “OH MY F—ING GOD!” scare numbers that makes politics the bullshit sport it has become. Perhaps this is why you are in politics, right? Those who can, do, those who can’t either teach or try to get elected!

        • BobMail

          @ Scary Devil:

          “What you are arguing for is that companies could not survive without a certain monopolization. If that’s your opinion then you really have no call on naming other people “myopic”.”

          No, your cry of “monopoly” is just typical of the discussions in this area. You seem to be forgetting the one basic issue here: Without some sort of way to make back what they invest, the drug companies won’t make the investment to start with.

          The trade off in the US constitution is to allow the creators a certain time period to control their development, to either sell it themselves, license it, or sit on it and do nothing. The reasoning is that, in the long run, we as a people benefit from these developments.

          You are sort of not seeing the forest because you are staring at the single tree called “MONOPOLY!”. You need to step back for a second and realize that the short span of this monopoly is nothing compared to the benefits of having these medications and treatments developed in the first place. What you trade off today on a new medication (that it is more expensive, or sold by only one source) is the benefits you get from the generic medications now available to treat all sorts of diseases that were only created in a timely manner because someone saw the value of making the investment.

          “That’s not how the free market works. If it did, we’d have to abolish most of it. Investments are always “taking a risk”. If the reasoning carries, money is made. If it is not, money is lost.”

          The problem here is that the amounts required to invest make the risk far outweigh the rewards in a natural system. When everyone can copy your expensive up front work and produce copies for pennies on the dollar, the chance that your up front investment gets paid out is incredibly slim. Remember, the generic drug makers only have to cover the costs of making and distributing the meds, they don’t have to cover the costs of actually developing them and getting them tested and approved – nor for that matter to the bear the risks of any long term side effects of those drugs (because they didn’t do the testing to start with).

          Free market only really works out when all the players are on a fairly level playing field. When they are not, either the market doesn’t work or it requires “unnatural” support through regulation or controls to make it more level.

          Remember, the desired results here for the people are more medications available for the rest of our lives, our children’s lives, and so on. That doesn’t mean “more medications right now really cheap”, that means more and better treatments going forward. The net results here aren’t measured in hours or days, they are measured in decades and centuries. The short term mentality of the anti-patent people is pretty much on par with the Bain Capital way of doing business – it’s about profits today, not long term effects for the people tomorrow.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “You need to step back for a second and realize that the short span of this monopoly is nothing compared to the benefits of having these medications and treatments developed in the first place.”

          Let me see now – Falkvinge stated:

          “drug subsidies make up an enormous windfall for the pharma industry (which gets 83% of its revenue from tax coffers, yet only spends 15% of it on R&D, and another 30% of it on manufacturing. The rest? Monopoly deadweight.)”

          You are in other words arguing for the pharmaceutical industry being enabled to keep roughly 50% of the tax money it receives as a “free donation” by the taxpayers – AFTER which they get to sell the product at profit?

          Stepping back and observing the bigger picture now adds “Confidence Scam” to the “Monopoly” already observed. The “benefits” you describe turn out to be – by observed fact – unilaterally for the singular pharmaceutical companies while being a substantive drain on the public purse. Are you seriously arguing for the dubious “merit” of a system which allows companies to double-dip?

          And since Falkvinge already answered your question in full, repeating the same false statement does not add to your credibility.

      • chronoss

        what should happen wiht patents is UN FORCED price on them per unit or share
        something that is afffordable and only for 10 years EXCEPT in computers where software should not be patentable…
        copyrights should be no more then ten years
        if you cant make a buck in ten years your not gonna and if you are you get ten years to sit on your but OR keep creating.

        this also ends the lazy arse argument and forces people to actually do something a lil more often which actually might spur more innovation and creativity….it if anything makes the market more diverse and if you want to retire write a book every two years and start saving.

    • Danny

      Please note bobmail that patents generally last for 10 years not 150 like copyright.

      Also if you look over the patent use over the last year, patents have only been used to stifle competition on ideas that are so blindingly obvious to the average person.

      Patents in the pharmaceutical industry cause the deaths of millions of people in the developing world. If it was really use to help progress this would surely not be the case.

      • chronoss

        now think computers you put a patent on software and guess what its like a lifetime cause by the time ten years are up that code is unuseable by anyone…as the hardware and computers have outgrown it.

        what you also dont get is someone else seeing a use for your stuff that you dont or wont thus its lost.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Putting up a wordwall and trying to appear erudite doesn’t make your statements true.

      For a start, empirical history during the last four hundred years expressly contradicts your claims. Both the British empire and the US prospered the most only when they decided to ignore copyright, licensing and patents.

      Indeed, if it hadn’t been because in wartime the US semi-nationalized airplane patents the US would never have managed to put a functional fighting plane in the skies during world war 1.

      The british empire would never have entered the industrial revolution if it had not – wholesale – encouraged invention while discarding the french patent claims. The list goes on.

      And you can certainly look at China and Japan and give a great many quite obvious reasons as to why their societities have, during the last 50-100 years had problems adapting to the western golden age pace. Lack of “intellectual property” doesn’t even enter the picture.

      TL;DR?

      Stop lying. Even in the 18th century those claims about IP were effectively known as disproven.

      • chronoss

        and musicans in canada saw as much as an 80% rise in sales when people pirated more the more pirates they saw the more the sales kept going…now that we have a real strict law in say 5 years we’ll see them get destroyed and show it as proof that it doesn’t help.

        in that case its just censorship and usa protectionism.

    • chronoss

      ya damn that caveman that shared out fire he should have had forever patent and his familly would own the universe…
      awful fuckers to know what tech to use and take to make themselves a better society of wealth and prosperity for all rather then a few that look at the rest of everyone as suckers and wish to contribute as little to it as possible along the way.

  • quenkicru

    or may be make more intelligent law such as a work is protected under copyrights, until it earn “that” amount of money which depends on “how rich he/she already is” ( such as it would ‘benifit’ him ) and all others or until a period of time (which is again calculated by the same variables). such it would benifit the seller () okey STOP.
    you want us to make a law that we give you money and if we dont then punish us. ask yourself why would we do that . i mean either the artist is well known then its likely he earn enough , he would not die hungry like the people actually do, or he is not that well known and if you are in it for money then by your assumption (artist getting robbed), you should change your profession. i really dont get it, i mean you are the artists from first world countries for god sake. in india they paid $200 to the well known artist (alisha chenai) for nationwide hit song (kajra re) in 2008.

    • chronoss

      how aobut if your allwoed to make 100% of what you invested into it for movies , tv and games…and software….
      how about for books your allowed to make enough for 3 years of the nations avg rent OR 3 years or which ever comes first.

      technology makes everything more efficient and faster to do so why am i paying old prices on stuff that can be done in short periods

      if i showed you the code i wrote in 4 days you’d be amazed.
      ITS what happens when you WANT to make something as opposed ot doing it as a job…..

  • Anon

    The world becomes a better place when everyone is free to create, when creators have control of the free distribution/ or use/ or sale and enjoyment of their creations, and when those who don’t respect this simple common sense idea….. suffer punishments so withering and life-destructive even their family feels the pain.

    • Fredrika

      > “The world becomes a better place when everyone is free to create, when creators have control of the free distribution/ or use/ or sale and enjoyment of their creations..”

      In reality there are no numbers or scientific evidence that supports that thesis. You simply claiming it to be the case doesn’t make it so.

      > “..and when those who don’t respect this simple common sense idea…..”

      There’s nothing common sense about legislative monopolies? Common sense on the contrary tells us that legislative monopolies are unnatural, and unnatural things that society has no proven need for will never be the least respected or accepted among people with common sense.

      > “..suffer punishments so withering and life-destructive even their family feels the pain.”

      One would have to be a real fascist psychopath to advocate such punishments for a crime that causes no harm whatsoever.

    • Guest

      Clearly not someone who believes in letting the punishment fit the crime.

      When artists have been driven to that point by so-called piracy, with documented proof, you let us know, you psychopath.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      “…..suffer punishments so withering and life-destructive even their family feels the pain.”

      We don’t need to impose such a system on others; and, we certainly shouldn’t have to tolerate the imposition of such a system on ourselves.

      The political process we need is already known to us; in fact, is already, more or less, explicit in our Constitutions.

      All we need to do in order to possess it, is act together with one awakened Democratic voice and claim it as our rightful Civil heritage.

      That path is difficult to undertake; but, NOT hard to understand:

      First: Mass electoral rejection of existing politicians and political parties whose legacy perspectives are no part of necessary solutions.

      Second: Constitutional Plebiscites to A) Abolish existing Copyright and replace it with a very term limited form of Copyright that benefits ONLY Creative Artists and NOT their Corporate employers or Counter-parties; and, explicitly EXCLUDES second purchase Digital Distributors, Corporate or otherwise. B) To redefine the Legal Standing of Corporations under the Civil Law of Corporations to provide EXPLICITLY that Corporations are PROPERTY and are NOT people; and, are NOT endowed with the same Constitutional Protections as Human Beings; and, have full Legal Standing before Judicial and Administrative Jurisdictions ONLY for the purpose of protecting their economic interests under EXISTING law; and, have NO Legal Standing within the Legislatures for the purpose of making NEW Law unless formally Summoned by the Legislature. C) Provide for use of the Penalty of Revocation of Corporate Charter in respect to a broader array of serious Corporate Crimes. (No more “we neither admit or deny the charges; but, agree to pay financial sanctions as settlement. Here, the Corporation commits the crime, and the Corporation ceases to exist. D) to redefine the Civil presumption of IMMUNITY from Liability for Corporate Officers and Boards of Directors so that these Corporate representatives who command fabulous compensation for exercising the power and authority to direct Corporate actions are in fact Personally Liable for the damages those actions inflict on innocents.

      If these four issues did nothing more than enter the arena of wide Public Debate, we will have progressed decades, perhaps centuries, toward revitalization of our Democracies.

      • chronoss

        all we fucking nee dis more lawyers
        can ya put that in one paragraph?

        • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

          That would be your argument; and, your paragraph. No one I know would want to own that argument, even if it could be condensed into one powerfully symbolic letter.

          I’m open to respect any reasoned criticism of the Ideas
          I have expressed; but, nothing I have said is a call for more lawyers.

    • icec0ld

      Oh yes. Nothing terrible ever happens when a creator as control over use of their product /rolseyes

      Case in point DRM: Hey my Software maker just disappeared off the face of the planet along with their authentication infrastructure. There goes the product I payed for legitimately.

      Ruining peoples lives for what the anti piracy crowd compare constantly to the most petty of crimes (theft) is reasonable?

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “…and when those who don’t respect this simple common sense idea….. suffer punishments so withering and life-destructive even their family feels the pain.”

      That little gem goes into the copy-paste repository. Thank you for a great many more pirates, Anon.

      Because there is no sane man or woman in this society willing to subscribe to the idea that pressing ctrl-c and ctrl-v should subject anyone to “withering and life-destructive” punishment.

      No one outside of westboro baptist church and their spiritual brethren in the fundamentalist taliban…and apparently the copyright industry that is.

      For the rest of the world that type of information control died with the inquisition.

      • chronoss

        wrong the taliban dont mind copying and the church too.
        it sjust lawyers that dont like it cause it gives them a lazy way to rip people off with fancey pants words.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Actually, no. The lutheran reformation when protestantism was created only came about after a lot of shed blood. Before that it was considered a given that the only entity empowered to read and interprete scripture was the catholic church.

          Copyright in essence is an outgrowth of this type of thought, as formalized by “Bloody Mary”.

          And the Taliban certainly do mind copying. Try writing down a copy of the Qu’ran without being “accredited” to do so.

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  • http://www.peoplesnote.org Don Reba

    Always a pleasure to read Rick’s articles.

  • http://woodquinn.x10.mx/ Quinn

    Man I’d love to pick your brain sometime. You have good articles and great articles. This is a great article.

    • Freedom of Speech

      Pick it for free over at falkvinge (dot) net :-) :-) :-)

  • Revolt

    The worst ripoff of the public is the way that existing copyrights have been endlessly extended. A copyright is, in its essence, a contract with the public -a debt of sorts to be repaid at a specific future date- a contract that is violated every time copyright terms get extended retroactively.

    Copyrights that were originally contracted to enter the public domain decades ago are never going to be relinquished to the public. This is outright theft, and these robbers and the corrupt politicians they conspire with even have the gall to call us thieves, simply for reclaiming our rightful property.

  • Johnny Dozes Off..

    I generally agree with Rick on many articles of his I read… this one I cannot wholly agree with him on. I feel like he is using his own interpretation of the constitution. My understanding is that it’s the Supreme Court’s responsibility to interpret the constitution for the modern day. That being said, I do not like how the MPAA/RIAA are able to manipulate it to suit their needs. They have gotten a little crazy with the way they enforce things and in my opinion, they should f*** off. But, back to the point, the constitution is an outdated piece of shit that needs interpreting… FAIR interpreting and therein lies the problem. My personal belief is that there is so much corruption in so many facets of our system it would be impossible to get a FAIR interpretation these days.

    Keep up the good work Rick! I enjoy reading your pieces.

  • Anonymous

    you’re preaching to the already converted, Rik. taking the message, which they know about and it to be true, to the politicians and law enforcement agencies is where it needs to go but is a waste of time because none of them are interested! it lines too many pockets with bribes and lobbying contributions and is the perfect excuse to allow governments to ramp up to ridiculously high levels the surveillance on citizen, whilst removing as many freedoms as possible, all in the name of ‘copyright protection and terrorism’!! yeah, right!! the drum needs a hell of a lot more beating in the various Parliaments, not on sites such as this! governments are all too willing to prop up business models that are old and failing. they have proven that the world over in what they have been doing for the entertainment industries. now the same thing is going to happen with the telcos. if anyone thinks that the ITU wont get their way, ie, taking over the way the internet usage is paid for, which will be the same methods as used for phone calls etc (extortionately massive charges!), the bigger the file downloaded/uploaded, the more it will cost, you are living in a dream world. no one gives a flying fuck about what is right, what is fair, what is the best way to operate, the only things that will be taken into consideration is how much money can be made, how quickly and by whom for the smallest outlay! the only reason the USA doesn’t want it to happen is because they want it under their control, like they are trying to get atm with secretive meetings over TPP.

    • chronoss

      ive said this before what people should do is post lists of there websites and there boards and have armies and legions of us swarm them so any place one can register we have numbers and voice on
      this is how we got the internet spy law trashed in Canada….its what you all need to do….i bet if 1 million people swarmed WOTC and asked them to give me a free liscnese on my idea they might come round at least with a cheap lisence….one cheap enough id do the deed.thats the kind of stuff i mean you on mass go pester them….

  • Apccp

    Censorship reflects society’s lack of confidence in itself.
    It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime.

  • ProblematicoEirreverente

    hmmm it`s interesting to know those laws exist in a very different manner than how they are trying to be enacted by people that have a strictly monetary interest, they just simply choose to disregard them, call it as you may, but to me that`s a clear abuse of the authority invested in public officials, and if not called out it might lead to the undermining of the very few but essential liberties that some of you might enjoy, I cannot emphasize enough the importance of expressing dissent, even if there are few of you out there it`s something worth standing for

  • fiubiu
  • I wonder

    So how long do the same artists stay on the Promo Bay front page?

  • guest

    Guys. guys. srsly. guys. I got it. This makes all the sense.
    I think I’ll drop out of school and go learn everything on wikipedia.
    srsly guys

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      Yeah, and drop out of your piano or guitar lessons also, you could be “creator” just by ctrl-c, ctrl-v. At least according to the pirates.

      • Anyone

        I think you are misunderstanding something

      • Fredrika

        > “Yeah, and drop out of your piano or guitar lessons also, you could be “creator” just by ctrl-c, ctrl-v. At least according to the pirates.”

        No pirate has ever claimed that, this is a straw-man of yours.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Desperate straw-grasping, name-calling and lying gets you nowhere in this debate.

        Facts might, but you have a demonstrated allergy to those – especially when everything you claim can be empirically falsified.

  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    “If there’s one thing that needs constant reminding, it’s the explicit purpose of the copyright monopoly. Its purpose is to promote the progress of human knowledge. Nothing less. Nothing more.”

    You mean *was* the purpuse. A lot has happened to society, technology etc. since the US constitution. You can’t ignore later developments and today copyright is also important to enable copyright owners getting paid – provided of course that someone will buy a copy. The alternative – getting an illegal copy – is similar to stealing.

    I must also point out that the US constitution has no value outside the US and copyright law in Europe has taken a different path.

    • Anyone

      “The alternative – getting an illegal copy – i similar to stealing.”
      it is not in any way similar, stop repeating this lie

      “I must also point out that US constitution has no value outside the US and copyright law in Europe has taken a different path.”
      as has been noted the copyright law in Europe was created for censorship, so I guess you can say it is still working as intended…

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        “as has been noted the copyright law in Europe was created for censorship”

        This is ridiculous.

        • Anyone

          it’s a fact

        • Fredrika

          > “This is ridiculous.”

          You find the well documented history of copyright to be ridiculous? Any other historical facts you find ridiculous?

        • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

          Why ridiculous?

          You have not noticed the increasing recourse to censorship by European Governments?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “This is ridiculous.”

          No, it is a fact. “Copyright” – under that name – was instituted by Mary I of great Britain.

          A monopoly was handed to the guild of printers with the express purpose of suppressing political and religious dissent. The name of that monopoly was – officially – “Copyright”.

          Only when the charter of the then-named Guild of Stationers was set to expire did they come up with a novel way of maintaining that very lucrative monopoly – by moving it into the private realm.

          Why am I not surprised to see that you don’t even know the origins of the copyright you so applaud? Or that your knee-jerk reaction when confronted with historical fact is outright denial?

    • Fredrika

      > “You mean *was* the purpose.”

      No, is. Ask your own Justice Department if you don’t believe everyone else. They can verify for you that the purpose is exactly the same in the present.

      > “A lot has happened to society, technology etc. since the US constitution.”

      Which has no relevance for the purpose of copyright.

      > “You can’t ignore later developments..”

      But you can ignore facts?

      > “..and today copyright is also important to enable copyright owners getting paid..”

      Your opinion on this is relevant how? And of course it isn’t. Legislative monopolies aren’t important for getting a monopoly owner paid, they are important for keeping the competition away.

      > “..provided of course that someone will buy a copy – or no copy shall be received.”

      Your opinion on this is relevant how? Copyright doesn’t say that no copy shall be received if one is not bought.

      > “The pirate’s alternative – getting..”

      You mean manufacturing?

      > “..an illegal copy..

      There is no such thing as illegal copies.

      > “..is similar to stealing.”

      No, it’s similar to playing with a cute animal and having fun.

      > “I must also point out that the US constitution has no value outside the US and copyright law in Europe has taken a different path.”

      Not according to your own Justice Department.

      It seems every single claim you made was wrong or irrelevant. Hhmm..

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      “You mean *was* the purpose. A lot has happened to society, technology etc. since the US constitution. You can’t ignore later developments and today copyright is also important to enable copyright owners getting paid – provided of course that someone will buy a copy – or no copy shall be received. The pirate’s alternative – getting an illegal copy – is similar to stealing.

      I must also point out that the US constitution has no value outside the US and copyright law in Europe has taken a different path.”

      As Pirates, we can only pray that some very loud and very arrogant Copyright Maximalist one day stands before the assembled Justices of the Supreme Court and says EXACTLY this.

      This argument asserts to nine reasonable literate and pugnacious Supreme Court Justices that the US Constitution does NOT really mean what the text says in plain English; that it MUST be interpreted to protect Corporate Copyright Holders because you can’t ignore real historical developments, (that the existing copyright monopolies are firmly entrenched and must be paid; and, the iterative copying of intangible abstractions without removal of the original copy is “Stealing”.

      You know, there must be a better way of framing a more persuasive maximalist Copyright argument, but this isn’t it.

      How about the point about the Constitution “having no value outside the United States”? What irony to assert this at a time when Copyright Holders are successfully prevailing on the American government to assure the non-reciprocal and extra-territorial extradition of European Citizens to American jurisdictions.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        No, it isn’t similar to stealing in the slightest, ThumbsUp. It is more similar to going out to a friend’s house and borrowing the latest CD to see if it is worth buying at the current price.

        Businesses hate that because people then find out that things are dreck before buying them.

        That is why they railed against Blockbuster and Hollywood Video at one time.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Again with the deceptive practices…

      “You mean *was* the purpose. A lot has happened to society, technology etc. since the US constitution. You can’t ignore later developments and today copyright is also important to enable copyright owners getting paid”

      Society and technology today have essentially rendered the monopoly’s original function redundant.
      That being the case it’s necessity needs reevaluating.

      Copyright is obviously not important to enable copyright owners to get paid. That hypothesis of yours has STILL been decidedly falsified. Piracy does not create “lost sales”. In order for that opinion of yours to stand you need to refute the studies performed or stand as a liar.

      We’ve pointed this out before. Many times. For four years in a row you’ve never been able to deliver even one fact to that table.

      “The pirate’s alternative – getting an illegal copy – is similar to stealing.”

      No it is not. I’m afraid pressing ctrl-c and ctrl-v is NOT IN ANY WAY similar to depriving a person of their property while transferring it to yours.

      Even claiming a similarity between copyright infringement and stealing is as nonsensical as comparing building furniture at home with pilfering it from IKEA’s outlets. The argument you propose is either delusional or a deliberate lie. Which one is it?

  • Whatever

    How ironic that the country with the clearest copyright text is also the one hardest persueing the most opposite of it.

    Wonder if someone could use the argument that the paying of damages is “unconstitutional” on the basis that it is completely against the purpose of the base “limited monopoly law” (within in the US ofcourse).

  • ScrewEwe2

    Nothing wrong whatsoever with being a Copy Wright or a Paste Wright.

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  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    “The first and obvious thing we note is that the purpose of the copyright monopoly isn’t to enable somebody to make money, and never was. Its sole purpose was and is to advance humanity as a whole. The monopoly begins and ends with the public interest; it does not exist for the benefit of the author and inventor.”

    Has no significance today. Today’s copyright is for protection of immaterial interests AND economical interests.

    • Fredrika

      > “Has no significance today.”

      The Swedish Justice Department begs do differ, as you are fully aware of. They clearly state in their official publications that the purpose of copyright is exactly the same today as it was 300 years ago.

      You do understand that you can’t just go around making up ridiculous claims based on your imagination, and expect to get away with it?

      > “Today’s copyright is for protection of immaterial interests AND economical interests.”

      I see you still confuse the means(the copyright monopoly) with the ends(copyright as a concept), despite that this imbecile misconception of yours has been explained to you several times before.

      This could all be avoided if you’d just opened up an elementary school social studies text book, and read the chapter about legislative monopolies. Naturally legislative monopolies never ever intend to benefit the monopoly holder.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      There’s no such thing as just “todays” copyright law.

      The legal text here that we are discussing as “Copyright Law” is NOT some recently enacted Federal Law.

      That language (the text Rick cited) is two hundred years old; and, was written directly into the American Constitution.

      That original language that defines Copyright Law within the body of the American Constitution is neither young nor old; neither is it just “yesterdays” copyright Law, or just “todays” Copyright Law.

      Rather, it is the American Constitution which stands above all other American Law: No American Law is entitled to survive in contradiction to the language of the American Constitution.

      What you are calling “todays” Copyright Law is the product of recent Federal Laws enacted in the last fifty years that may, or may not have been juridically tested for compatibility with the Constitution.

      What we are disputing is whether those “New” Federal Laws (you call then “todays” Copyright Law) that have recently modified the historical relationship between American Citizens and their Intellectual Property, should not be changed or abolished because they contradict the original language of the Constitution.

    • Fredrika

      I see that you have edited your comment, and added more irrelevant nonsense. Ok then.

      > “This is clearly stated e.g. in information regarding copyright from the Swedish government / Justice Department..”

      Stop lying. What the Swedish Justice Department clearly states as the purpose of copyright is the following:

      “Syftet med upphovsrätten är att stimulera konstnärligt och litterärt skapande..”

      Which translates to “The purpose of copyright is to stimulate artistic and literary creation..”

      That’s the goal with copyright, the ends. What’s described afterwards, which i left out, is the means, the tool to achieve the goal. You have got to stop confusing the means with the ends.

      > “WIPO..”

      Wipo is not a sovereign nation, they do not decide what the purpose of copyright is. You really should read up on Wipo’s history, they do not represent the public and they do not wish to further the goal with copyright, trademarks or patents, they represent the monopoly holders, and they spread lies on their behalf.

      > “..has some interesting information also.”

      Do they? Shall we have a look?

      > “The first and perhaps most important reason is that the rights under copyright law are violated, which means that authors, performers and phonogram and videogram producers, publishers, broadcasters and others suffer considerable economic loss.

      Which obviously is incorrect. That a monopoly has been intruded into does not automatically mean that any economic loss has been suffered.

      > “..also to society as a whole because it hampers creativity..”

      Another claim by Wipo that no evidence backs up.

      > “..and is contrary to the interests which copyright law is there to serve, including that of establishing domestic cultural industries.”

      Which has never been the purpose of copyright.

      > “It should be noted that piracy generally hurts the most those productions which are successful..”

      More unsubstantiated claims.

      > “..they are the only ones which are of interest for pirates.”

      This text seems to refer to piracy with intent to profit, where obscure works aren’t released. Not non-profit filesharing, where basically all obscure works are pirated by enthusiasts.

      > “If this incentive is lost, the industry may not be able to continue those productions and the output will be qualitatively lower..”

      More unsubstantiated claims and illogical one’s at that. The phonographic industry is not needed for any productions.

      > “..something which is, in the long run, detrimental to the interests of consumers and of society as a whole.”

      More illogical claims. Society has no interest in the phonographic industry surviving, because their productions can be done by parties.

      > “The reasons for fighting piracy should be seen both in a short and a long-term perspective. It is sometimes said that piracy is not a bad phenomenon because it supplies the market with popular products at low prices. Occasionally it is added that the pirates employ a considerable workforce and thus give increased job opportunities. Also, it is said that there are more urgent priorities in society than combating piracy. These arguments are, naturally, not valid if a State wants to maintain its international reputation and participate in the international exchange of culture, information and entertainment.

      Reputation amongst who exactly? The whole paragraph is ridiculous. If piracy is good and gives a positive net effect both culturally and economically it is good. If that’s the case the problem does not lie with the infringements, it lies with the copyright monopoly. It’s definitely not important for a state to uphold something harmful, just to please a few monopoly holders.

      So, in addition to you again lying about the purpose of copyright, exactly how was this nonsense text of Wipo interesting?

      Well, actually i agree, it was interesting, because it clearly proved that Wipo has no interest at all in benefiting the goal with copyright, they are exclusively looking out for the monopoly holders, but they aren’t a relevant stakeholder when it comes to forming copyright.

  • DirtyOwner

    All I see is capitalists trying to worm their way out of the fact that they are selfish leeches that are more interested in personal gain than contributing to society. Oh no the the pennies, I want I want. That is all I see from the pro-IP crowd. Not a single worthwhile human being among them. Everything should be in the public domain, because the public domain is all that matters. I doubt any progress will be made until we make these leeches outcasts and shame them for being the selfish people that they are.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Actually the main problem from the fiscal view of things is that Copyright, patents and licenses set aside the free market in favor of monopolization which is a set tenet of corporatism and plan economy.

      So the main problem with the copyright industry is, generally speaking, that they are parasites deathly afraid of a free market where they know they’d have to work for a living.

  • Pirates are dumb

    Why does a Swedish politician constantly discuss a law that applies to US citizens?

    Get to work on the situation in Sweden!

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      1) Because the perversion of the US constitution is what allows the US lobby to unduly influence washington, turning what should have been a free market into a set of monopolistic fiefdoms. Indistinguishable from the state-sponsored monopolies of the eastern bloc.

      2) Go read up on the wikileaks embassy cables. As long as the US is suffering a perversion of their constitution, we europeans are as well.

      3) We’re working on the european situation. Having the US wake up to the serpent in their own nest would also help.

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    Once again, Nejtillpirater has lost the war.

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    An amazing article, clear, concise, accurrate and to the point. I love you!

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  • Michelle Hostetler

    Copyright has been around since the inception of the US Constitution. It protects some of the most successful industries in the US–music, television and movies–industries that seem to prosper even in times as bleak as the Great Depression (although technically television wasn’t around yet). Why hurt such robust industries?

    • Fredrika

      > “Copyright has been around since the inception of the US Constitution.”

      That something has been around is not an argument for why it should remain.

      > “It protects some of the most successful industries in the US..”

      It gives them a legislative monopoly, that bans competition. What a legislative monopoly does is self evident, it needs no clarification.

      > “..industries that seem to prosper even in times as bleak as the Great Depression..”

      Industries that seem to prosper despite the fact that around a billion people filehare illegally, despite the fact that filesharing has been around for 15 years and despite the fact home copying been around for 40 years.

      > “Why hurt such robust industries?”

      If they are robust they don’t need a legislative monopoly. And no evidence exists that supports the thesis that non-profit piracy hurts them in the first place, so obviously the non-profit parts of the copyright monopoly should go. Simple logical reasoning.

      • SoundnuoS

        Quick answer on the blog article itself: the mechanism through which copyright attempts to promote “useful arts and sciences” is to give the creators a chance to benefit from their works in order to both give them the time to and motivate them to create more.

        As a response to Fredrika above: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-music-industry-sales-2011-2.

        The chart shows a peak around 1999 / 2000, coinciding roughly with the introduction of Napster.
        Since then it has dropped by roughly 50%, globally, all formats included. That’s a big deal for any industry.

        Considering that this industry is still putting out a very popular product, I’d say this drop needs some explanation, don’t you?

        • Fredrika

          > “..the mechanism through which copyright attempts to promote “useful arts and sciences” is to give the creators a chance to benefit from their works in order to both give them the time to and motivate them to create more.”

          No. The means through which society tries to achieve the goal with the conceptual copyright, the promotion of the useful arts and sciences, which is a goal it seeks to benefit the public, not the creators, is to give the authors a limited legislative monopoly for a limited time.

          > “The chart shows a peak around 1999 / 2000, coinciding roughly with..”

          ..the time that everyone had replaced their vinyl with CD’s. Since replacing CD’s with MP3 means ripping your CD’s, instead of buying tracks, obviously the curve will go downhill from thereon. Replacing the old format no longer means having to buy something new.

          > “..the introduction of Napster.”

          The introduction of Napster came around the time when the public had realised that CD’s were no longer interesting, they instead wanted MP3′s.

          > “Since then it has dropped by roughly 50%, globally, all formats included.”

          Yet not one single scientific study can even indicate it’s because of piracy.

          > “That’s a big deal for any industry.”

          Many industries have died because of society’s technological advances. That’s the way it should work. No industry has any right to survive if they can’t make any sales, and the responsibility for making those sale fall on that industry alone. Not on politicians, pirates or consumers.

          > “Considering that this industry is still putting out a very popular product..”

          The product is that which the consumer can buy, as in goods or services, which a creative work doesn’t constitute. The creative works are not a product from the consumers, the markets or the legislations perspective.

          The creative works are popular, but the products they sell, not so much, because they hold no longer hold any economical value, because anyone can manufacture a copy themselves for free.

          > “I’d say this drop needs some explanation, don’t you?”

          The explanation is that the recording industry has shown an historically unprecedented incompetence during the last 15 years.

          First they refused to cut the prices for new CD’s in half, despite the fact that other entertainment sources took more and more money of the consumers wallets: Video games, DVD’s, Internet, cell phones.

          Then they started sabotaging their products with copy protection.

          Then they tried to sue the makes of MP3 players.

          Then they committed slander and called their consumers thieves.

          Then they allowed some of the richest stars in the music industry to cry in the open about how horrible piracy is. It was so pathetic that some of the planets most popular comedy shows ridiculed it openly.

          They they refused to sell DRM free MP3-files for the first ten years of the MP3 revolution.

          Then they really started acting like criminals, with extortion schemes of Internet account holders.

          Then they set the insane price of one dollar per track, despite the fact that a normal MP3 player could hold 40.000 tracks, and despite the fact that a normal modern music collection is between ten and a hundred times bigger than during the vinyl/CD era, which means that track prices must correspond with that for consumers to feel that the price corresponds with the products value, which equals a price of 1-10c per track, not $1.

          The recoding industry has indeed showed an historically unprecedented incompetency, so that their sales are down is natural and well deserved.

          There are so many reasons, but piracy? Nothing indicates that’s one of them.

          Since you can’t seem to think up these logical answers for yourself, here are some more articles that elaborates on the topic.

          http://torrentfreak.com/more-music-sold-than-ever-before-despite-piracy-110110/
          http://torrentfreak.com/is-piracy-really-killing-the-music-industry-no-100418/
          http://torrentfreak.com/how-to-kill-the-music-industry-090227/

        • SoundnuoS

          @ Fredrika below

          I think most of the points you bring up, especially about copyright and why it’s needed for immaterial products, have been given a different angle in this thread: http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-monopoly-trends-and-predictions-for-2013-121230/#comment-753436347

          Set the filter to newest first and it should be right at the top.
          It’s a bit messy as this forum’s ability to reply maxes out after four layers. (Someone fix please :( )

          Some of the points i.e. copyright as monopoly and the general need and purpose of copyright with some other points are split in two threads but they are right next to each other.
          If you have the time to check it out I’d appreciate it.

          One thing I have to reply to right here, since it’s often repeated and unfortunately false, is this:

          >Yet not one single scientific study can even indicate it’s because of piracy.

          I was googling around on things yesterday and stumbled upon a site where I found, among other things, this:

          http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1932518&rec=1&srcabs=1989240&alg=1&pos=1

          In it the author gives a quick summary of available research and it seems a MAJORITY of studies conclude that piracy is attributable to a drop in sales.

          In the study linked above the author is actually making the case that ALL of the drop is caused by piracy.

          I’d say this, combined with the fact that sales are down ALL formats included (check out the chart i linked to) is a pretty good counterargument to the points made in the articles you linked to.

          As you’re pointing out an MP3 player can hold 40000 tracks. If you’re correct in assuming that people feel a burning need to fill this then it means demand for music is UP, yet sales are down. Hmmm….

          The arguments you’re giving in that section does not constitute a moral justification for destroying the livelihood of creative individuals the world over.

          Pricing should be based on demand, not on forced competition with free.

          Another interesting study: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1989240

          Since introducing HADOPI digital album sales are up 25% in France compared to the control group. The effect on other formats isn’t used for the study since the authors presume (like some in the links you gave) that piracy’s effect is largest on digital sales.
          This means the total increase can be even greater.

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