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RIAA Appeals Following Latest Jamie Thomas File-Sharing Ruling

In July a federal court slashed the verdict in the infamous RIAA v Jamie Thomas file-sharing case from $1.5 million to ‘just’ $54,000. The RIAA were said to be unhappy with the verdict and now just a month later they have confirmed their appeal. The music industry group are appealing on three grounds. If successful the case could go to a third trial.

The RIAA has appealed against the latest ruling in the file-sharing case against Jamie Thomas-Rasset.

The appeal in the case, which has now been active since 2008, follows a decision last month by a federal court to reduce the amount Thomas-Rasset has to pay the RIAA in damages to ‘just’ $54,000.

According to court documents filed with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit in St. Louis, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) says it is appealing at least three decisions made during the long-running file-sharing case.

Questions 1 and 2

Whether the District Court erred by concluding that making a copyrighted work available for download on an online file-sharing network is insufficient to constitute a ‘distribution’ under 106(3) of the Copyright Act, and therefore refusing to enjoin Defendant from making Plaintiffs’ copyrighted sound recordings available to the public.


Whether the District Court erred by concluding that it had committed an error in instructing the jury that making a copyrighted work available for download on a online file-sharing network constitutes a “distribution’ under 106(3) of the copyright Act and therefore vacating the jury’s verdict and ordering a new trial.

Previously U.S. District Judge Michael Davis ruled that by simply ‘making available’ music tracks on a file-sharing network (by having them in a shared folder or similar) an individual is not guilty of distribution. With these two questions the RIAA challenge that assertion.

Questions 3

Whether the District Court erred by holding that the jury’s award of statutory damages for defendant’s willful copyright infringement violated the due process clause even though it was well within the range of damages awards authorized by 504(c) of the Copyright Act.

This final question concerns the damages awarded against Thomas-Rasset. Perhaps understandably the RIAA would like her to face an amount easily confused with a telephone number, but that may prove difficult considering the history of the case.

In 2007 a jury hit Thomas-Rasset with a $222,000 verdict. She appealed and in 2008 a mistrial was declared. Judge Davis ruled that the fines were “disproportionate to the damages suffered.”

In 2009 the case went to re-trial before a new jury and resulted in yet another guilty verdict, this time with even harsher punishment. Thomas-Rasset was ordered to pay $80,000 per infringement, a massive $1.92 million in total. But this amount was deemed unconstitutional and was duly slashed to $54,000.

In November 2010 the appeal of the retrial was heard and again Capitol Records won the case. The jury decided that Thomas-Rasset had to pay a $62,500 fine per shared song, a total of $1.5 million. It was this decision that was overruled by U.S. District Judge Michael Davis last month. He described the amount as “appalling”.

Disputes over the size of the damages aside, a positive outcome for the RIAA on the distribution question above could result in an almost unbelievable third trial in the case.

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  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    It’s time for the RIAA to just drop this. The more they drag this out, the more that people get down on them, the more sales that they lose as people say “I’m not going to support a company that would do this to a mother!”

    Drop the case, RIAA or make an offer for AT MOST 3K that this woman has to pay you.

    • Ven

      They aren’t interested in the money in this case. If you take another look at those first question, you will realize that this case would go down as a huge blow to the industries if this ruling was accepted: it would mean that precedent had been set saying that uploading to a file-sharing network was not considered distribution under current copyright law.

      While I know that any sane judge would find the damages unreasonably high, I can’t comprehend how a judge could make the decision that uploading isn’t distribution as defined in current copyright law.

      • Joe Internet

        Because uploading distributes only a small fraction of the file at a time unlike the traditional copyright infringements “distribution” charge, which was written with cases of bootleg DVD’s in mind. Sending some random IP a fraction of the file is not the same as selling the whole movie on a street corner. Yes it is a form of distribution but it is also very different from what the lawmakers had in mind. The distribution fines were added to provide additional punishments to large “for profit” bootleg/counterfiting operations, joe internet who is sharing just to share and not making any money off the deal was never intended to be the target of these additional fines.

        • Ven

          I get that and agree with it, it’s just that a judge shot out the ruling that it wasn’t distribution without any clarification in the precedent.

      • Anon

        You work for the Riaa bud?

        • Ven

          You work for tech companies trying to destroy copyright so more people will buy your Ipods?

          See, I can make baseless and illogical claims about other people too.

      • Just The Facts

        I fail to see how putting files into a shared folder equates to distribution. If the RIAA can prove people downloaded complete files from her, then I would see that as distribution. Proof is whats required in order to get to something resembling the truth. If it isn’t about finding the truth, but rather nailing a defendant to the wall with severely punitive damages in order to set a precedent, then what is the point of it all? How can anyone possibly take the law seriously anymore when it is just a plaything for vindictive corporations, a tool to be abused whenever they see fit? You make people lose faith in the justice system, and so end up hurting yourselves even more in the long run. Backlash… do you feel it yet? You will.

      • me

        “While I know that any sane judge would find the damages unreasonably high, I can’t comprehend how a judge could make the decision that uploading isn’t distribution as defined in current copyright law.”

        The difference between “making available” and “uploading” is substantial. While making available doesn’t necessary mean that anybody actually downloaded the content, uploading effectively means distributing content (or parts of it).

        The real issue at stake (for the RIAA) here is that the RIAA can’t prove that content has been UPLOADED, unless they themselves (of their associates) offer some chunks in return, as the bittorrent protocol works. But the moment they offer those chunks, they are aiding and abetting, i.e. probably nullifying their claim of copyright infringement.

        Or, to say it differently: it would be MUCH easier for RIAA to simply say: “look, someone is offering 1000k songs, chop her head off” than having to prove that even one of those 1000k songs has been downloaded by a third party not affiliated with them.

      • me

        “While I know that any sane judge would find the damages unreasonably high, I can’t comprehend how a judge could make the decision that uploading isn’t distribution as defined in current copyright law.”

        The difference between “making available” and “uploading” is substantial. While making available doesn’t necessary mean that anybody actually downloaded the content, uploading effectively means distributing content (or parts of it).

        The real issue at stake (for the RIAA) here is that the RIAA can’t prove that content has been UPLOADED, unless they themselves (of their associates) offer some chunks in return, as the bittorrent protocol works. But the moment they offer those chunks, they are aiding and abetting, i.e. probably nullifying their claim of copyright infringement.

        Or, to say it differently: it would be MUCH easier for RIAA to simply say: “look, someone is offering 1000k songs, chop her head off” than having to prove that even one of those 1000k songs has been downloaded by a third party not affiliated with them.

    • Fuck Obama

      I would pay $24. That’s just 99c each. Keep the change

      • Anonymous

        They consider it theft, and theft requires that the thief pays something like $7 more than whatever they stole is worth. At 99c per song, that would be (rounded) $168, plus the amount distributed (which we don’t know, because neither does the RIAA). She should have to pay no more than $500.

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      Just look at who owns EMI…Citigroup…elitist bankers.

      They want our internetz!

      (Copyright = Trojan horse for internet take over)

    • me

      “t’s time for the RIAA to just drop this”

      As Copyright-Talibans, they want Jamie Thomas-Rasset beheaded, Taliban-style.

      Move along, nothing to see here. This is the United States of Copyrightistan.

  • PlatinumC

    Rofl, they are indeed at it again.
    And most likely RIAA does not even care, if they get 54k or 1,5m, its still small change to them, they just like to make us suffer.
    Although I agree with Christopher, that in the end, RIAA is still the one on the losing side, even if they win.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

      I dont think they are interested in suffering and they know they dont stand a cat in hells chance of seeing the 54k. What they are after is another round of headlines with damage figures in the millions.

      What gets me is and i cant see why US copyright law should be that different. What business is it of the RIAA. A trade body does not hold any copyrights and the record/movie industries and ‘artists’ should not be allowed to use such trade bodies as a public relations buffer. Only the rights holder can sue

      If they want to persecute a member of the public, such companies/artists should be named and shamed. If a case has gotten to court, there must be a list of files the claimant claims were shared and any responsible publication should use that list to name and shame

      • PlatinumC

        I have to say, that you make a good point, that they want to make a million dollar headline again, but even with that, I think they are just hurting themselves in terms of bad publicity.
        Most likely they are showing, to people, that no matter how bad they may look like, they do not cut the end user any slack, no matter if s/he is unable to pay 1k or 1m.

  • Maroan

    If RIAA was unpopular before, this hit the top. How stupid are they? I dont believe its a matter of money, (Since they can afford to run trials after trials) but more a kind of vengeance. They want to break her totally down… Suckers.

  • cyke1

    non of these cases been about the money, never has never will

  • Predator

    If I was Jamie I will not give them even one penny. This is probably what she is going to do. Not a penny for the corporate parasites and they parasitic lawyers.

    They spend a fortune in this trial, they will never see their money back, plus they have to pay their lawyers and they achieve nothing.

    NOTHING!!!!!!

    wahahahahahahahahahahahaha! What a pack of losers with a capital L!

    Ok. I am out. I am going back to share a bunch of music files and movies just to bother these parasites and criminals even further.

    Oh Sorry! Not sharing. Making Avaiiiiiiiiilaaaaaaaaaable!!!!

    Whahahahahahahahha!!

    (Ok I just pi in my pant! They really do entertain me but not in the way they think.)

  • Herbert

    this is a case of revenge now, pure and simple. even if the court ruled that she had to pay a $billion or $100 per track, RIAA know they wont be getting anything. the bad publicity they have received will never be undone. it has cost a fortune to keep pursuing the case, money that could have gone where it should have, to the artists they are supposed to represent!

    • IDIOCRACY

      I wonder how US legal system works, they have a mother pay 54000 dollar or 1 million plus, she cannot pay that anyway so what is the point. What will happen to the mother because she cannot pay, put her in jail? She already owns nothing and welfare you cannot take away. They cannot take away her bread because it is not a death penalty so how does this work in US, she will just only never own a home herself (so rent one) or a car (use one on the neighbours name), or get a loan herself, and not marry (no guy would be that stupid to marry her and then have to pay millions).
      So is there any US guy/girl her that can explain what WILL happen instead of what will not….I mean that is of coarse the real news ans important for forming an opinion about these trails.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

        Sorry I don’t know the answer to what happens when someone can’t pay. It might be like child support, where the state can make your employer send them part of your pay, but I don’t know. But they know they’re not going to get any money out of her; they’ve said so publicly. IANAL, but I’m pretty certain that what they mainly want is to get court decisions in their favor.

        The U.S. has “common” law, where the prior rulings of other courts on similar matters are considered precedent, especially if upheld on appeal; these rulings are taken into account in current cases and ultimately serve to prevent redundant cases from going to trial. This helps the law to be applied more consistently and keeps the courts from being clogged, but also leads to arguments over whether and which prior rulings actually apply to a particular situation (a big issue in the Tenenbaum case); and it leads to situations like this one where some cases are taken as far as possible through the process just to try to get a ruling that affects future cases.

        One of the things they’re looking to get is a ruling that making-available equals distribution, at least for purposes of applying copyright law and getting statutory damages. Right now that’s just their claim, an opinion they want people to agree to, but it doesn’t actually say that in the law, and the courts haven’t said that the law can even be interpreted that way. So either the law has to change or they have to get courts to rule in their favor. It’s hard and a very slow process to get copyright law changed, much more difficult than playing games with the courts. They are pursuing both options, though. Congress will probably react with legislation (probably RIAA/MPAA-authored) only after the courts make an unpopular decision, or when a treaty (like ACTA) is signed.

        If the plaintiffs manage, through the judicial process, to get their point of view affirmed by a court, especially a higher one (Appeals or Supreme), it would essentially be like getting it on stone tablets handed to them by Moses as he comes down from the mountain, and would permanently open the door to continued litigation against file-sharers with minimal risk of the plaintiffs ever losing or even having to go to trial; all they have to do is show that their copyrighted works were probably made available by the defendants, and no one will argue unless their circumstances are unique. It would also put Thomas-Rasset in the position of appealing to the Supreme Court, which can’t be cheap and would probably only be heard by the court if it’s framed as a Constitutional issue, which is unlikely; only the severity of the damage award is such an issue right now.

      • Ven

        Most likely what will happen is that the RIAA will get the ruling it wants to set precedent (i.e. sharing IS distribution of some sort). At that point, they will offer Jamie a really good deal that will keep them from having their image hurt in the press.

        • Zig

          I suspect the ‘really good deal’ will be in the order of a million USD or more. They couldn’t give a flying fsck about having heir image hurt, because they hold us all in contempt anyway, whether we’re paying customers or not.

          Unfortunately for the libraries, if the RIAA have a ruling passed that sharing (or ‘making available to the public’) equals distribution then it’s curtains for their lending of music. A CD borrowed from a library which is publicly making it available to the public is easily copied – so does that make the library responsible? Really?

          It could be argued that running a particular widely used Operating System with known vulnerabilities (which in this instance shall remain nameless) and storing your music collection therein constitutes distribution through knowingly making available that content to the public as soon as you connect to the internet. It’s all about proving intent I suppose…

        • Ven

          @Zig

          Generally they are only interested in pegging businesses and for-profit sharers to the wall. When it comes to casual uploaders, they know the money earned is nowhere near as valuable as keeping the negative press to a minimum.

  • Guest

    “Drop the case, RIAA or make an offer for AT MOST 3K that this woman has to pay you.”

    Yes. these corporate parasites should make an offer. How much money are they going to give us so that we don’t kill them all? What’s about 1.92 Million?

  • Danny

    I doubt she can pay $54k let alone $2mil I wonder what they think they can actually get from this? Apart from destroying a poor woman’s life for the sake of a few files shared online.

    • Anonymous

      The RIAA believe that making an example of her they can discourage other people from doing likewise. It seems more likely that they will make more people mad at the organizations behind the RIAA which will cause them greater losses.

      Indeed this one case has caused the RIAA to abandon taking other home users to court.

      Here is a good one for you. Even if she does pay up in the end then none of the artists she infringed will even see one cent of this money. All funds go to the RIAA to terrorize the innocent public even more.

      • Glib

        It’s working too. I just re-built a friend’s PC and installed uTorrent to try and teach her how to use file sharing networks. She said she didn’t want to do it because her friend got sued for it. Now, I know she’s lying because she literally has no friends, but a prime example of misinformation that is floating around … medium intelligence people are being shied away.

        Having said that, all my savvy friends download continuously with no care in the world. As well, all of my clueless PC friends do the same (they were on Limewire, now they use torrents and are unknowingly exceptionally great seeders) so it’s a pretty small demographic of “read enough to know about the cases but don’t know enough not to care”.

        • Zig

          “I just re-built a friend’s PC and installed uTorrent to try and teach her how to use file sharing networks. She said she didn’t want to do it because her friend got sued for it. Now, I know she’s lying because she literally has no friends, ”

          She’s a friend, yet she has no friends. You, sir, just proved your own argument void! hahaha

    • Guest101

      They may genuinely not understand that. They’ve been enriched by a distorted market for so long they may not realise that $54k is more money than most people see in a year, because their copyright monopolies shield them from normal free market economic effects and allow them to profit so massively.

  • Anonymous

    At some point, the fine is reduced to something very affordable, and if the RIAA sues again, they already have lost enough money for the original fine.

  • True North

    man, the RIAA are f**ked in the head to think that they will get the $$$ money they want, wonder what their lawyers bills are, bet its more than 54K per song.Want to sue some one RIAATARDS sue MICROSOFT!! THEY ARE THE RETARDS THAT COME UP WITH THE SHARING FOLDER, THAT YOU CAN SHARE EVERYTHING WITH EVERYBODY,SUE ROGERS CABLE(here in Canada) THEY EVEN PROMOTE WITH THEIR AD`S FOR “ULTIMATE” HI SPEED ITS FASTER TO “SHARE” MUSIC WITH OTHERS (AND A WHISPER AFTERWARDS PHOTOS)
    YES ITS CAPS…
    AND YES THIS REALLY PISSES ME OFF!

    • Danny

      It does make me laugh. All ISPs advertise their speeds like “download a film in xx minutes, music album in xx seconds” and of course they aren’t advocating file sharing.

      • Zig

        I agree with your sentiment, but unfortunately it could just as easily and sensibly be argued that the ISPs are simply referring to the legal alternatives available. I don’t know about you, but in my territory I have access to iTunes, Amazon, Play, We7, HMV among others.

  • Njharper

    every time this goes to trial the jury is swayed by MPAA lies and awards millions, then the judge sees how insane these figures are and drops them to something less (but still too high for a normal person to pay). Can’t Jamie claim some kind of harrasment or something, it can’t be legal for a multi-billion dollar organisation to constantly harrang and bully a single mother.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHRJDYC7HXKJKIU57QF7Y5OBQ4 BaKeD

    The real crime is the artist won’t see a dime of that money, so what is the point of the RIAA trying to get more.
    What needs to happen is music artist need to ban together and do away with the RIAA .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHRJDYC7HXKJKIU57QF7Y5OBQ4 BaKeD

    The real crime is the artist won’t see a dime of that money, so what is the point of the RIAA trying to get more.
    What needs to happen is music artist need to ban together and do away with the RIAA .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHRJDYC7HXKJKIU57QF7Y5OBQ4 BaKeD

    I think you ment to type RIAA

    MPAA = Movies

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHRJDYC7HXKJKIU57QF7Y5OBQ4 BaKeD

    I think you ment to type RIAA

    MPAA = Movies

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

    enigmax keeps making the same errors in every article about this topic. 1. There is no “guilty verdict” in a civil trial in the US courts. The defendant cannot be “guilty” and there is no “verdict”. The defendant can only be “found” “liable” for damages, and this liability can be found to be “willful”, which affects the damage amounts. 2. The 2009 trial was only to have the jury decide a new damage amount after the judge’s reduction of the original jury-awarded amount was rejected by the plaintiffs; the question of her liability was not put to the jury at all in that trial; the matter was already decided.

  • Curious

    Can someone tell me how can a single offence be on trial some many times? I don’t know anything about the US legal system.

  • Curious

    Can someone tell me how can a single offence be on trial some many times? I don’t know anything about the US legal system.

    • Anonymous

      The case can go to retrial if it was judged that the original trial was flawed. In her original trial it was found that the judge gave a false instruction to the jury. They obviously have to retry her or acquit her if the original judgement cannot be upheld.

      After that the third trial was not about her guilt or innocence, when she had been found guilty twice, but about the value of the damages fine when neither side could agree with the other. Unfortunately that $1,500,000 jury imposed fine was found unconstitutional and lowered to $54,000 by the judge.

      Now the RIAA aim for trial #’4.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        Because they are complete and utter assholes. It was won. The precedent has been established. This is plain bullying. But then again, the US has become the safe heaven for corporate bullying lately so it doesn’t surprise me.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

          It is bullying, for sure, but they did show that she had downloaded the songs from others (ripping crew info was in the tags) and they showed that the files were in her shared folder. In the first trial, the judge gave the faulty instruction that making available equals distribution. Besides being something which has yet to be decided upon, to say such a thing was essentially proclaiming her to have infringed, which was the jury’s job. Nevertheless, the jury in both trials only was asked whether she was liable for some kind of infringement. They didn’t have to specify if it was for copying (having downloaded the songs) or for distribution (vaguely defined). It was left up to them to decide whether her actions constituted copyright infringement. None of them were P2P users, themselves. So I’d say the RIAA being assholes wasn’t the sole reason Thomas-Rasset lost. They were assholes, don’t get me wrong; they used ad hominem multiple times, they made dubious and unprovable claims about how many people she distributed to, and they falsely portrayed themselves as the poor victims. But the outcome of the trials were due to a combination of things, like the jury’s ignorance, the vagueness of the jury instructions, the defendant having been caught in lies about the evidence, and the presentation of evidence that very obviously pirated copies of songs were on her computer and in a shared folder. There was no guarantee the jury would be sympathetic to the plaintiffs, but it was far more likely than not. That’s all that’s needed to make pursuing the case worthwhile for the RIAA.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          You see, regardless of what I think of file sharing (and it should be perfectly legal for non commercial use), I agree with you. It’s a dangerous mix of ignorance, stupidity, greed and rotten morals. However, what kind of person really believes that $67k is a suitable punishment for a single track? If you consider they assumed $1 per ‘upload’ she’d have to upload it to SIXTY SEVEN ppl. I mean, even if she was the only one uploading via that software (DC/emule/kazaa/LimeWire I believe) It’s highly questionable that she managed to get 67 thousand ppl that chose that specific software, looking for that specific music and having no alternatives to download.

          I remember reading an article recently where a judge asked for COMMON SENSE from the plaintiff when dismissing the lawsuit. Such high fines lack common sense. Just ask a few questions about how stuff works and you can reach a conclusion by simply reasoning. Who were the ppl in the jury? MAFIAA employees?

  • autodig

    Who is the guy, in the RIAA, that has made the decision to go after her like this.
    Anyone have a name? Anyone know what he is on? Anyone know what his mental state is ?

  • DANNY

    FU<K THE RIAA!!!

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  • Anonymous

    Clearly this legal ping-pong only reflects the fact that the United States has NO LAW to correctly handle non-profit file sharing. The law they are currently using was certainly wrote for those rare people making money from copyright infringement.

    Jamie Thomas-Rasset’s only crime was to download music for her personal enjoyment which is the modern version of listening to music on the radio. For that she gets up to $1,920,000 in fines. A value so high that the law applied violates the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    The redistribution was a function of the application she used to download. She was not the original source, she had no intention to defraud, only to return to the community what she had taken for the enjoyment of others. SHE MADE NO PROFIT.

    The RIAA picked on her because she is weak. To their surprise through she is a fighter.

    Guilty yes, liar yes, but then so are many of us. Now they only have to figure out the level or her damages and that my well take the Supreme Court or Congress to sort out.

    • Bruce Almighty

      Its amazing how the politicians and judges don’t realize how ridiculous it is to sue someone again and again for years just for sharing a couple of songs. Any sane judge should dismiss cases like this as soon as they are filed. Even real criminals don’t have to go through this much harassment i.e. trials after trials after trials.

      The RIAA has already got the guilty verdict they were looking for you but this is all about the damage figure now which is meaningless.

      • Ven

        You can’t really ignore the situation just because a huge company is going after a poor woman. Yes absolutely the judge should shave down any proposed fines and settlements, but having the court go through the motions in order to set legal precedent is arguably the most important function of the judicial system in the USA.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

      “The law they are currently using was certainly wrote for those rare people making money from copyright infringement.” Actually, no, the plaintiffs’ point of view is that the law was deliberately crafted such that it does not make any exception for noncommercial sharing; the law itself is an expression of Congress’s intent, and we’re not to read anything into it. This issue was raised in the Tenenbaum appeal, and the judges asked the defense very pointedly why a consumer/noncommercial sharing exception should be read into the law, if the law does not actually say that there is to be such an exception (it’s standard for courts to generally favor the law as written, when in doubt). The defense replied that the ‘absurd results canon’ applies: sharing a few thousand songs would quickly lead to billions of dollars of damage awards per person, so Congress couldn’t have intended for the law to be applied that way. The appeals court has yet to come back with a decision in that case.

      • Anonymous

        Congress’s intent was that copyright only last for a *limited* *time*. It is a shame, and sham, the the current SCOTUS can conceive of 90+ years as anything near “limited”. Especially for all those self-styled originalists.

      • Anonymous

        To do so for money is greed but to do so freely is kindness. Would you want to say greed is rewarded for being punished no worse than kindness while kindness is harshly punished by making it equal to greed? The law I am sure heeds a person’s intent while they commited a crime.

        I well know the law applied to her was aimed for people who made money. This is why it states that the damages fine imposed is set SO HIGH as to wipe out the profit they made.

        You show me what mattress she has $1.92 million stuffed under and I will show you a law correctly applied. Sure had she made $1.5 million from this then $1.92 million seems fair. Many people do claim though that even $54,000 is brutal and inappropriate for her case.

        Let us not overlook that this is only the second time a non-profit case has gone to court and both times their fine award errored out into cruel and unusual.

        So the judge sets it to the minimum and adds a little more just because some value is needed.

        We should reexamine that minimum to include a person’s intent.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

          The reason statutory infringement law exists is, according to those who wish to apply it, specifically for situations like this one where the actual damages cannot be determined, and the statutory range is so high simply because it’s meant to be a deterrent, not to wipe out actual profit, per se. Really, the law itself does not explain what situations it is intended to be applied to. It says what it says, and the courts are obligated to avoid reading anything into it as best they can. So, when deciding whether infringement occurred,the jury was told that they were not to consider intent/willfulness/profit-motive of the defendant. They were to consider those things only in their determination of the amount of damages.

          I’m pessimistic that Congress could be persuaded to modify the law to explicitly say that non-profit, personal-use copying or distribution isn’t infringement. I’m sure the entertainment industry would vigorously argue that there are so many ways such an exemption could be abused. However, I’ve read that historically, pro-industry/anti-consumer copyright legislation usually also includes some kind of consumer protection, so it might be possible to get something like that in as a “check” in an otherwise lopsided bill. Still, it would be an uphill battle.

    • Anonymous

      No, it’s not like listening to the radio. It’s more like borrowing a friend’s CD and ripping it. Or, rather, in this case she is being sued for, in essence, *lending* her CD’s to folks and they ripped them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

    damage, last time I understood what this word meant it meant “damage: something that makes X less useful” or “to damage X: make X less useful”

    can someone please tell me what damage means today? and as for RIAA, I’d say they try to cause much damage, much serious damage, they try to damage the internet & the so called “core of humanity” which is sharing.

    • Danny

      In the UK you have to actually be able to prove damages. I think this is one of the main reasons no actual cases have gone to court like this over here. Mind you with all the new laws the Mafiaa are trying to push over here this could soon change.

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  • Farts

    Their goal is to score a big figure so they can make a example out of someone. As I’ve mentioned before the best way to deal with all this is to boycott and stop file sharing.
    Its costing us tax dollars and more unnecessary laws. Everyone says most of the stuff out there is junk anyway so why bother? Stop their supply of money and stop downloading so they have no one else to sue or blame.

    • Bruce Almighty

      Its kinda difficult to stop file sharing when they are still producing great stuff. I still go to the theaters every other week because I get my money’s worth of entertainment. Real life is hectic as it is and without entertainment, I would become a zombie. Getting together with friends every now and then to catch a movie is what keep me going.

  • RedBox Rocks

    I’m from MN. After the 1.5m verdit the RIAA was on public radio here and said they made an offer of $25,000 to settle before trial and she said she didn’t have that. Havn’t they mess up her life enough already. By the tone in the RIAA voice I don’t think they were even interested in the money in the first place.

    • Anonymous

      So they were happy with $25k but not $54.
      Well, I see the logic in that…

      No, wait…

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    Jamie Thomas is a pro skateboarder. :F

  • Anonymous

    “Its kinda difficult to stop file sharing when they are still producing great stuff.”

    If for you what the RIAA companies distribute is great stuff (because they are parasites they never produced anything just like the bankers) your brain damaged!

    To find great stuff in music we have to go back to the 19th century until now when the corporation of parasites are disintegrating.

    Listen to this! 21st century music! http://www.myspace.com/adagioofficial

    Free of corporation of parasites involvement! save for one version of Underworld distributed by Sony)

    Use the RIAA radar to find out which one:

    http://www.riaaradar.com/similar.asp?asin=B001KPNY1G&album=Archangels+in+Black

    • Ven

      Not really – Adagio is labeled and sold through Itunes (which means they belong to a PRO) as well as dozens of online stores (which means their label uses industry distribution).

      It’s hard to find top-quality music that exists entirely free of the RIAA’s behemoth of a system.

      • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

        itunes = Pro industry distribution ( RIAA via Major labels) …… NO

        I have had music on Itunes before via Tunecore and before that… via CDBaby.
        Point is… Independents don’t need the Major Labels anymore or their RIAA……

        You could be correct with Adagio … I don’t know…if they have a deal with the majors or not ?……

        * * * Every time I hear the word Adagio …. I think….

        Adagio for Strings ….. Best piece of music ever written…
        (fuck… I wish that was Public domain….)

        • Danny

          I almost wept the first time I heard that piece, its so powerful.

        • Ven

          I’m aware that Itunes doesn’t necessarily mean you are connected to the big labels. However, what most people don’t realize is that over 90% of the “independent” labels are owned in part of whole by the big 5. Then you factor in having to work with a PRO (which in itself means the labels can control us).

          All in all, it’s near impossible to find bands through regular channels that aren’t in some way connected to the industry.

      • EyeSeeEvil

        “It’s hard to find top-quality music that exists entirely free of the RIAA’s behemoth of a system.”

        That’s not true. You just have to actually look and want to find it. Locally where I live there was a punk band, who unfortunately is now disbanded, that would have made a huge dent in the punk/pop music scene if they’d cared enough to play any shows outside of the local area. Dedicated fans. Sold only one album, that wasn’t even 30 minutes long. Recorded at home and then the copies sold were all on burned cds. I mean geez! This band could’ve been a huge hit. It was right before the whole punk scene became “let’s all be emo-looking” and whatnot. And they existed entirely independently. And so did a few other bands. But this one band was so good and played such catchy music that they gained a following from people who hated punk/pop music. And they did it on their own. Independent of any system.

        Good top quality music is out there, like I said, you just have to look. And admit it’s there. Not saying you aren’t. But what I mean is if you aren’t open minded you won’t find anything. If all you are into is what’s the latest and greatest on the radio, of course you’ll miss out on everything else.

        • Ven

          It is difficult to make the decision to try and profit from your music without turning to some facet of the industry. Radio play only gets you paid if you belong to one of their PROs, selling online yourself usually costs more than you make unless you sell through sites that also require you to be paid through a PRO.

          Good bands that refuse to touch the industry will fall through the cracks and be forgotten, which is unfortunate when it comes to the evolution and progress of the art.

      • EyeSeeEvil

        “It’s hard to find top-quality music that exists entirely free of the RIAA’s behemoth of a system.”

        That’s not true. You just have to actually look and want to find it. Locally where I live there was a punk band, who unfortunately is now disbanded, that would have made a huge dent in the punk/pop music scene if they’d cared enough to play any shows outside of the local area. Dedicated fans. Sold only one album, that wasn’t even 30 minutes long. Recorded at home and then the copies sold were all on burned cds. I mean geez! This band could’ve been a huge hit. It was right before the whole punk scene became “let’s all be emo-looking” and whatnot. And they existed entirely independently. And so did a few other bands. But this one band was so good and played such catchy music that they gained a following from people who hated punk/pop music. And they did it on their own. Independent of any system.

        Good top quality music is out there, like I said, you just have to look. And admit it’s there. Not saying you aren’t. But what I mean is if you aren’t open minded you won’t find anything. If all you are into is what’s the latest and greatest on the radio, of course you’ll miss out on everything else.

      • Anonymous

        Not true. Give me a break.. Although I don’t like itune a lot of Indies use it to get exposure.

        Adagio is indie only as confirmed by RIAA radar.

        • Ven

          RIAA Radar admits to having quite a few erroneous listings.

          At the same time, there are many indie labels that will piggyback and hire big label distribution or publicity subs to work for them.

          Lastly, if you sell music on Itunes, you can only collect your royalties by joining a performing rights organization (PRO). You get to choose between BMI, ASCAP, and SESAC, all of which are entirely permeated with the RIAA stink.

    • Bruce Almighty

      I don’t really care about what RIAA companies produce since I don’t like modern music much and still listen to old music. Infact I have very few songs in my collection from the last 5 years.

      I am basically a movie buff and was referring to the modern Hollywood productions by that above statement. Say what you like about Hollywood but they are still producing great flicks these days. Yes, its necessary to separate the chaff from the wheat but its always been that way.

      • Danny

        There is a lot of shit coming out of holywood! Maybe 1 good film a year?

  • Tdclark0026

    I’m going to download something illegally right now just to piss these guys off.

  • markie

    The RIAA should just piss off. I hope everyone just pirates every bloody thing. The RIAA are nothing but bullies that pick on the everyday ordinary person to get money out of them.

  • Naxius

    Good god, will you morons get rid of the video playing over and over on the side, just the perfect example of destroying a good site.

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  • Trelew

    Sadly, all this shows is how much power Big Business has over us. They can willfully control our government and courts to their own whims. For what? Not for all the reasons they claim to the public. That, of course, is nothing but a lie. They do it to gain more money and power for the corporate elite.

  • Anonymous

    Should be quite interesting to see how that all turns out in the end. Wow.
    web-anon.at.tc

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  • miamurder1

    yet again the RIAA will not get what they want…since the amount they want is unheard of with the average person to have in their wallets…the RIAA will realize they are fighting a losing battle and will hereby be subject to inappropriate lawsuits against the american public…how about this, instead of the RIAA suing people, they should focus on making cd’s more affordable to the general public…This way both parties win…but we all know that will never happen since the RIAA is money hungry and will do anything it can to get its cut of supposed lost profit…my opinion, if the RIAA continues on this route, we will see the end of the music industry within the next 5 years since they will be all out of funding for the record labels making it so that artists go on strike and shortly thereafter the total demise of the RIAA making the music industry a fading memory…

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