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Studios: Movie Piracy Halved After Sending Zero Infringement Notices

According to a submission made to the New Zealand government by the major studios, the mere threat of sending out an infringement warning halved movie piracy in less than a month. After years of battling for “3 strikes” the studios haven’t sent out a single warning, but nevertheless insist that to reduce piracy further they’ll have to send out thousands. The recording labels want to do the same at a greatly reduced cost, but the ISPs want to charge four times more than they do now.

The Copyright (Infringing File Sharing) Amendment Act 2011 was finally implemented in 2011 after years of complex lobbying, but the idea behind it is simple. Internet users spotted uploading copyright material are first sent two warnings via their ISP. On receipt of a third, copyright holders can take the Internet account holder to the Copyright Tribunal where they face hefty fines.

New Zealand’s Economic Development Ministry is currently reviewing the fees the recording industry and movie studios pay ISPs to send out infringement notices. Submissions sent in by the entertainment industry as part of that process and later obtained by Fairfox under the Official Information Act have turned up some interesting claims, not least that the movie industry has sent out a grand total of zero warnings.

But despite ignoring the system they lobbied to have introduced, the Hollywood-backed Federation Against Copyright Theft told the government that the illegal viewing of the top 200 movies by New Zealanders dropped from 110,000 instances in August to just 50,000 in September 2011, a better than 50% reduction.

However, NZFACT complain that progress has since ground to a halt. So in order to reduce piracy further they’re going to have to do what they have failed to do so far – actually send out some warnings. What is stopping them doing so, they say, is the high cost. Currently the price they have to pay ISPs is $25 NZD (roughly $20 USD) per notice, but the studios want this cut back “to pennies” each.

And the studios aren’t the only ones complaining about the costs either. RIANZ, the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand, said that in order to do something about the 41% of locals who access copyright infringing services, they would like to send out 5,000 notices per month, up from the total of 2,766 they sent between October 2011 and April 2012. But to make that cost effective the price would have to be cut from $25 NZD to just $2 NZD per notice.

But the indications are that in their submissions the ISPs are pulling in the opposite direction. Telecom said that the fee per infringement notice should increase four times over to $104 NZD each. The ISP said that it had spent more than half a million dollars putting the three strikes mechanism in place but had sent out just 1,238 notices since it began.

In addition to the movie studios effectively boycotting use of the entire system, it seems that the recording labels have no appetite to go through with the punishments they demanded for the most persistent offenders. Three ISPs report having customers on their “third strike” and due to go to the Copyright Tribunal to be fined up to $15,000 NZD. But the labels let all of their cases lapse meaning that they now have a completely fresh start.

InternetNZ chief executive Vikram Kumar told Stuff he was glad that no one had been fined, and that the answer to the piracy problem lies elsewhere.

“Make material available in time, in the way people want it, and most of the problem will disappear,” he said.

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  • Tabris

    Having a cost to send notices is the only thing keeping them from going truly nuts with them. We all know they don’t always accuse the right person, and there’s absolutely no downside for them if they send notices to innocent users. This law they lobbied for has been completely pointless and has done nothing but cause trouble for us New Zealanders. Imagine living in a house with four other people, none of whom want to be the internet account holder in case one of their room mates downloads something and they get the blame. Imagine the impact it’s had on the idea of free, public wifi.

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Wow!! You’ve identified so many of the problems that should’ve been OBVIOUS to your legislators with this despicable item of law, and yet you raise EXCELLENT points so concisely. I applaud you Tabris. Great post.

      I’m in the UK and haven’t experienced the NZ system yet, but my initial reaction in reading TF’s article was highlighted by,
      “Currently the price they have to pay ISPs is $25 NZD (roughly $20 USD)
      per notice, but the studios want this cut back “to pennies” each.”

      That one simple sentence sums up the whole greedy, self-serving, and pathetic ethos of the whole so-called “content industry”.

      They’re currently a sick bunch of business people who need to be removed from World society ASAP and replaced with more people-oriented folks who care more for culture than profits.

      • http://twitter.com/MAFIAAFire MAFIAAFire

        Sorry Tabris, your government has been infected by the MAFIAA disease and sold you (the people) out.

        Unfortunately, yours is not the only case out there and like Rob put it; these scummies need to be removed ASAP. I do hope it happens sooner rather than later for everyones sake.

        (We’ll try to help when/where possible)

        • JordanKratz

           Keep up the good fight MAFIAAFire !!!

        • http://twitter.com/JosefinaArmstr5 Josefina Armstron

          I previously had no problem with copyright enforcement but this grasping industry has completely changed my mind through their dispicable antics. http://2HoursDailyTo6kMonthly.blogspot.com

      • FrostyC

        I would also like Internet service, chocolate, and cigarettes cut back “to pennies” each.

        The sad truth is, things cost money, and if you need a service, you can’t pay less than they pay the employee who provides that service. But they know this, they are just trying to bombard ISPs with these and drive them out of business with over-flooding of additional time expenditures.
        Make no mistake, the are striking at the internet.

        • http://cheapassfiction.com/ AeliusBlythe

          Yeah, more than anything else, in my mind it is the audacity of demanding ISPs **work for them** for **pennies** that solidifies the hostility of this action, that really codifies – with no sugar coating – the attack on the internet.  

          So….. on the upside, this highlights both vicious nature and the stupidity of the companies that lobbied so hard for these policies.  

      • ItsNotParanoia

        “That one simple sentence sums up the whole greedy, self-serving, and pathetic ethos of the whole so-called “content industry”

        If infringement costs them so much (billions according to their own statistics), then $25 NZD *is* pennies in comparison.

        Unless someone doesn’t believe their own bullshit…

    • JordanKratz

       MAFIAA Fuck Off and Die !

  • http://twitter.com/MAFIAAFire MAFIAAFire

    Typical of the RIAA and MPAA (MAFIAA) goons – they want everything done for them for free or pennies, but when their feelings get “hurt” they want to be paid in the hundreds of thousands or millions.

    These people redefine the word “slimeballs”. 

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      “Typical of the RIAA and MPAA (MAFIAA) goons – they want everything done for them for free or pennies”

      Actually that’s typical of the pirates.

      • Fredrika

        > “Actually that’s typical of the pirates.”

        Actually, now you’re distorting reality 180 degrees. Pirates are the one’s that are dong it themselves, for free, with their own property, instead of asking someone else to do it for free. The pirates do all the work, and they pay for all the property involved.

        • http://twitter.com/7daykatie katie anderson

          That’s not my fault, nor should it be my problem. 

          I don’t pirate their content and I am beyond annoyed that they are trying to tax my internet access by passing on their costs of their chosen way of doing business to my ISP who will necessarily pass them on to their customers, ie me. 

          Pirates are not my problem so I should not have to pay for the problems anyone is having with them as an added cost of my internet access.

          The movie studios and recording labels are just being a bunch of bludgers.

      • Heck Yeah

         I agree with you 100% us pirates rather have a cam copy of any movie over going to see it in theaters.

        It’s because we love low quality stuff! I mean I would not download a song that’s over 8 bit.  I also expect my movies to be no more than 240p.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          Most of the pirated music and many movies are ripped, 100% of the original quality.

          No one stops you from going to the movies.

        • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

          @Nejtillpirater You are so seriously mentally disturbed that I’m reluctant to even respond to you in a nice, safe haven such as TF.  But I feel compelled to educate you in an attempt that at least some of our knowledge, wisdom and humanity can penetrate your overly thick skull.

          You state such inanely obtuse comments that are so utterly wrong, inaccurate and downright demented that it pains me to read your shit, lete alone respond to it.  But here we go (there’s a 1st for everything yeah?)

          You wrongly state as if true, “No one stops you from going to the movies.”

          The vast majority of people on planet Earth are indeed “stopped” from going to the movies because they quite simply cannot afford to so do.  Human society hasn’t yet evolved to the stage where we can all afford to go see a movie because of abject poverty through to simple, plain poverty.

          Attending a cinema and having to pay for the experience is outwith the budget of at least half the people on Earth.  So wise-up you ignoramus asswipe and cease trying to defend the indefensible.  You’re now simple being crass and highly offensive.

        • Guest

          @nejtillpirater:disqus
          How would you know this, or even whether it’s true?

          You’re not speaking from personal experience, are you? Are you? (If you are, you filthy pirate, you.)

        • Guest

          @nejtillpirater:disqus Not everyone can afford to go to the movies and pay the inflated ticket prices to see a movie. That doesn’t mean culture should be restricted to only those who can pay.

          FYI those who can afford to go to the movies are still doing it in hordes despite the unjustified ticket prices in the name of 3D. Check out the box office figures if you don’t have a clue. It seems greed knows no bounds.

        • Jatillpirater

          240p? You like your movies in HD.. 

          Me likes 60p, black & white, with mono sound. Top notch!

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          So you’re downloading because you don’t afford to buy the contents or go to the movies. Yeah, that I already knew.

          What if don’t fancy listening to music or watching movies? What if a want to own a stable of horses or drive expensive cars but don’t afford that luxury? Should I just do it despite not affording it? Let’s find a way for me to do it and letting others pay for it. That makes me a very nice person indeed…

        • GUEST

           @nejtillpirater:disqus You redefine the words; “retarded paranoia schizofrenia”. Put all those together and the result will be you.

        • ScrewEwe2

          I like my movies in 1P, no black and white for me, just black, with no audio. Now thats some high livin’.

        • Guest

          “What if a want to own a stable of horses or drive expensive cars but don’t afford that luxury? Should I just do it despite not affording it?”

          If you can magically copy horses and cars, then yes. You absolutely should do that. And no horse breeder or car salesman would be losing anything in any possible sense, because you couldn’t afford to buy horses or cars in the first place. 

        • Howaboutdatfreestuff

          Guys, Nejtillpirater is right,you can’t justify stealing content because you/he/she lacks of money to get legally.

          when you were growing up and wanted a toy, but your parents couldn’t afford to get you it, you went without or saved up money to get them. you didn’t walk into a store and steal it(at least I hope not).

          STOP, before you pull out the “you can’t duplicate the toy, information isn’t physical and piracy doesn’t cost the producer anything” defense. all bullshit statistics aside and actually using your brain to think…it does hurt the producer. seriously guys, the way you try to justify this is appalling.

          analogy:Bob makes the best burgers in the area, because he uses a secret family recipe. john loves bob’s burgers, so he walks into bob’s store looks at a paper in his office and gets the recipe(doesn’t take it, so bob doesn’t lose a piece of paper) just get’s the information in his brain. john walks outside bob’s store and starts giving away bob’s recipe. people starting making their own burgers using the recipe and the other local burger stores start using his recipe too..does it hurt bob’s business?

          now, think of the burgers as software and the recipe as binary(which almost all data on your computer is)…. does this make sense to anyone? the recipe isn’t a physical thing, bob doesn’t have to pay to use it(just to produce the burgers with it). but he/his family has put alot of work,time and thought into the recipe to make it good. john just took the recipe and gave it away for free.(not a great analogy, I know.but just think about it….even just for a few minutes)FYI:I hate the mafia/riaa as much as any of you do and would rather see them pushed off the face of the earth. their business models are outdated and what they do to the average internet user to protect/supplement their outdated business models, should be considered criminal. but, trying to justify stealing software as a “I can’t afford it, so I should be able to get it for free” thing….doesn’t make sense.lol, probably just wasted a lot of time for nothing, the lot of you probably grew up pirating software(I did). but I’m not so brainwashed/disillusioned into thinking every time I download something, it’s not stealing. sad truth is, it is. not matter how you use/skew the word stealing, your still taking something someone worked hard think up and has their livelihood based around. but why should anyone be reimbursed for ideals/information right? you or me could’ve thought/programmed/made (insert favorite program here),(insert favorite movie here),(insert favorite song here) or (insert favorite book here)….the people who did just put more time, effort and money into realizing it before us. we should get it for free because we could’ve done the same thing. :) not the kinda of world I want to live in, how about you?

        • Danny

          @c58a0c3295bd5a19c77700201e5e65b3:disqus

          Your analogy fails because that is exactly how many fast food restaurants work.

        • ItsNotParanoia

          Q. Why do pirates download films?

          A. Because pirates fucking love films.

          The cinema is an integral part of the experience, if you’re lucky enough to have a cinema nearby that gives a shit about the experience, you’d be a idiot not to go there and support them.

          For every “I’d rather watch it in my basement”, there are ten “Let’s go out, then talk about it and get twatterized in the bar afterwards”

          This is why cinema revenues are the highest they’ve been in decades.

          Piracy is a service issue – I can torrent lossless music in minutes. Mainstream legit on iTunes/Amazon/etc – 320kbps is your lot.

          Q. Why do pirates download music?

      • No1_2_u

        PC = $2000.00
        40″ LCD Monitor = $3499.00
        Logitech 5.1 Surround Speakers = $499.00
        Internet Package = $90.00/month

        Yep retard, pirates “want everything done for them for free or pennies”; I guess I didn’t spend a penny on my home entertainement / computer system.

        Why don’t you crawl back into the shithole you come from instead pf posting your uneducated beliefs here.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          And none of the dollars you have gone to the people working hard on producing the actual contents that you download illegally while honest consumers pay the full price.

        • Andrew me

           £50 laptop of ebay, £7.99 broadband access 18mb actual download speed, £59 500gb hard drive, £499 42″ LCD tv
          One off payment paid over 2 years that is £617  one off payment for unlimited access to content. Well seriously i am sure a lot of people cannot afford that so go for a second hand tv for £200 so that drops to £417  spread over 24 months is not a lot of money for all my entertainment, and the money i would have spent on entertainment i can use on food and transport back and forward to work. LOL The argument of price is so crazy, some can afford and some cannot afford to go to the cinema , those that cannot afford to do not have very many options to watch entertainment without paying what they cannot afford, yes they can do without, but with studios stealing from artists and movie makers not prepared to supply the demand at a reasonable price nobody in there right mind would expect people to support the studios any more.

          Now that distribution is free or almost free for studios, costing not more than £2 to get a movie out there and in the hands of the customer, prices have to come down, but no the studios will insists on charging more than they previously did or wanting the same cost of a dvd for every download because they want to benefit financially from the innovation that is the internet

          Just becasue they can supply content at pennies per movie does not mean to them that customers should benefit, they want all of the benefits of free distribution every single penny that they are saving becasue of someone elese innovation , greedy bastards.

        • No1_2_u

          “none of your dollars have gone to the people working hard on producing the actual contents that you download illegally while honest consumers pay the full price”.

          Really, how do you know this? Do you know for a fact, what I do with my money after I have watched, or listened, to something I downloaded?

          You make assumptions about things you do not know, or understand; shut up a die already.

        • FinalApokylypse

           @nejtillpirater:disqus
          Total misconception. My brother owns $2000+ of movies and TV series that he bought legitimately yet he has one of the biggest file sharing habits I know of. While not all pirates are like him, many simply don’t have the funds, access etc. For me personally I haven’t bothered to download much at all lately as I just haven’t been compelled too. On a side note I would argue that piracy has helped the hard drive makers amongst many other tech industries gain additional revenue whilst giving power to the consumers.

        • Gen. Eric Guy

           NejtillpiraterI am curious if you speak for yourself, or if you are a frontman of sorts speaking for the MAFIAA and other content industry/copyright trolls. Either which way, your arguments are self-depreciating, and I suggest you lie down for a moment and think about what you’re saying. You’re not making them, or yourself, or even the everyday legitimately honest person look any better.A note about some of us pirates: We can redeem ourselves. If we like something enough, we WILL buy it; be it music, movies, or games. I’ve pirated my share of games and music and such in the past, I wait for a Steam sale (like the summer one that passed) where games are concerned, and what do you know, most-all the games I bought recently, I previously pirated, and felt guilty of snagging because they were over-priced back when they were new. I just needed a better price for something I really wanted, took advantage of the sale, and made up for my “sin” of piracy.Has any of the content industries done anything similar to redeem themselves? Have they evolved to appease their fans? So far, not really. We’re all human, but at this present time, the MAFIAA and other copyright trolls are corporations, and are not people. They were never human to begin with. Humans makes mistakes and make up for them; I see no such behaviors so far with these “people”.

        • Guest

          @Nejtillpirater:twitter 

          “And none of your dollars have gone to the people working hard on producing the actual contents that you download illegally”

          I’m sory, do you know No1_2_u? Do you know No1_2_u?

          No, you do not. And so you are completely making up that he or she doesn’t pay for content as well. 

          Oh and by the way, when you legitimately buy something, the money you spend does not go to the people who worked hard to produce the actual content in most cases. It ususally goes to a bunch of copyrght holding, middleman parasites like the MPAA or RIAA who contributed exactly none of their blood, sweat, or tears to the production. 

        • Guest

          Nejtillpirater

          i’ve got a $25’000 collection of CDs and DVDs and was downloading (legally i might add!) a lot of content to make sure i don’t waste my money. Now money is tight, prices are still ridiculous so i stopped spending money on all of this content and don’t go to the movies anymore either ($20?! gimme a break)…Still, i continue to file-share and you know why’s that? Cos i moved over to the 21st century and all i have for you and your poor content producer buddies is a finger!

      • Kvw

        New troll on the block
        Please forgive him :)

  • PasserBy

    “Make material available in time, in the way people want it, and most of the problem will disappear,”

  • http://jccarter.myid.net/ JC Carter

    The media companies are taking the piss.  Usage of the top 200 movies decreased, while sales did nothing, while MAFIAA failed to send out any notices, while usage rates shifted from measurable torrents to non-measurable lockers.

    RIAA, oops, i mean RIANZ, has been the only one sending out notices.  ALl those Rhianna and Lady Gaga tracks must be worth 25$ an infirngement, versus a 30$ movie…  but then you just let it lapse.  Doing a teen for $15,000 over 3$ worth of music must be a bad karma for advertising.

    Yet we still have garbage options for media in NZ.  Oooo iTunes… no TV.  Wooooops.   Maybe spend a GB of data on downloading the file, only to have it corrupt half way through, to waste more of the tiny bandwidth caps.   Maybe xbox… oh wait, no TV.  Maybe QuikFlix… TV… oh wait, 5 series of old garbage that nobody cares for.  Even Netflix doesn’t care.

    Just another small market to milk for excessive profits, and then bitch when the market works around your limitations.

    • McCheezits

      And now you know why I download shows from the Pirate Bay.

  • http://mickstarify.clavid.com/ Michael

    Of course, the anti piracy industry is just like us when faced with crap that costs money

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  • Mwhahaha

    Hm as usual we’re accepting their word on the stats. Also it’s limited to p2p it seems from the stuff com article, so it’s hardly comprehensive. I’d very much doubt it’s halved in reality.

  • Anonymous

    i bet, as per usual, the statement is bull shit, simply because it comes from the labels. if there were truly independent reports stating the same thing, then there maybe some truth, but one notice halving downloading? what bollocks, unless the NZers are easily frightened, which i doubt! the only people likely to believe this is the NZ government and the reason for that is the ‘encouragement’ they receive from the labels so that this and other ridiculous, undemocratic and freedom harming laws can be introduced. as stated earlier, if the labels could get away with accusing the world and his wife with illegal downloading at no cost to them, they would. if they were charged for each false accusation, they would be far less inclined to want to accuse anyone. i hope the NZ government takes the report with a pinch of salt and tells the labels to shove it where the sun dont shine. i also hope the NZ ISPs increase the charges, not reduce them at all. that alone will make the labels proceed with greater caution!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OVL7ZVGYF27VDINLMQTBSIFUYE Funhh

    SO with this new 
    Graduated Response’ will they just

    • Anyone

      no, private trackers are not “private”, they will not protect you

      get a VPN

  • Fantastic

    Its largely fluff in my opinion and an attempt to get those studios and such that either ride the fence on the issue or dismiss Piracy to join them in their criminal enterprise. Because how can it be wrong when Everybody is doing it..pfft. Double edge sword on that you goons.   

  • http://twitter.com/Power2All Power2All

    If they sent in a letter cause of a user infringing a lot of $$$$, sending a $25 notice is too much asked ?
    They are seriously fucked in the head.

    • Gen. Eric Guy

       I wonder if any of these big content people own a building filled to the brim with gold, and are somehow able to defy the laws of physics and swim in their gold and money like it’s water?

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  • Kotleta

    yeah, right….

  • theonlyone

    More like half the people bought VPNs. 

    • Jatillpirater

      Wonder how many vpn service subscriptions beeing sold every month.

      • Guest

         I call for an article about that.

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  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    Whether in the States or in the UK, these three strike or six strike regimes are a double edged sword for both ISP’s and Corporate Copyright Holders….unless they’ve been able to rigg themselves Immunity from Liability ahead of the enforcement activity.  
     
    Imagine it’s yout destiny to coexist with the world’s biggest wasp nest. 
     
    Big part of your survival strategy is NOT to wake up the wasps. 
     
    Big problem:  Three Strikes or Six Strike is all about waking up the Wasps.  You see, the idea is that there’re undoubtedly some Copyright infringing Wasps nesting in there somewhere; so, what you’ve got to do is take a nice hot ladle and stick it deep inside where the Queen infringer sleeps, in order to get their attention…..
     
    Bad Idea? 
     
    Oh yeah!  Really Bad Idea………The worst thing you can do IS get their attention…… 

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      True……. with things like Anonymous out there (as much as I dislike the fuckers positions on some things), you don’t want to wake up the bear…. especially not when it’s a rabid 50 ton bear.

      • ScrewEwe2

        The FBI would love to know where that Bear Shit’s in the Woods. (Might have to be a Yank to get that reference)

    • Violated0

      You make a good point when the more people that they wake up the more who will join the Pirate Party, Anonymous and in mass public protests.

      The battle is not much in NZ though, and it may take much abuse to wake up the USA, so the real battle should be in Europe.

      • FortuneJr

        Ehh itll have to be Europe itd take an atom bomb to get my country (the US) to wake up weve been slowly conditioned to give up our rights so people could feel “safe” and gotta say i kinda feel bad since it seems the whole coprate taking over democracy thing kinda started here

    • ScrewEwe2

      People in the US have actually been sent to prison on their third strike for stealiing a damn Pizza. Those Pizza theives are a pretty dangerous bunch.

  • Andrew me

    Sick of this stupid comment that the jobs of cleaners are being lost, they are fucking paid minimum wage whether the movie makes a profit or not or do janitors get shares in the movies they are cleaning the studios for? , the industry is looking out for the top executives paying them crazy salaries, while the people doing the grunt work are paid pennies, ignore any comment about them losing there jobs that is a complete and absolute lie.

    • Guest

      I guess you would say that is very similar to the bank chiefs payments etc.They get awarded bonuses even when they have made a loss but now the tide as people are now seeing what a scandal this is.

    • Guest

      WHEN YOU CLEAN YOUR OWN HOUSE YOU ARE STEALING FROM HONEST HARDWORKING MAIDS AND JANITORS AND PUTTING THEM OUT OF WORK!

      CLEANING YOUR OWN HOUSE IS A CRIME! WE WILL SUE YOU!

      This message brought to you by the Cleaning Industry Association of America

      • ScrewEwe2

        I quit cleaning my house in the Spring of 2000 because it took too much time away from P2P, message boards and forums. I doubt that helps maids and janitors much but it sure has made my life easier. All the money I used to waste on cleaning supplies can now be wasted on blank media, hard drives and waffles.

      • McCheezits

        I felt like making my own version…

        Maintaining your own gardens at your own house is stealing from honest gardeners, and is putting them out of work. You’re costing America jobs, even if you live in another country, like Canada.

        KEEPING YOUR HOUSE BEAUTIFUL IS A CRIME, AND WE WILL SUE YOUR ASS.

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  • JordanKratz

    Pirates are not the problem.There are no Pirates on the Internet but they do exist in the Ocean on boats.
    The Big Content Industry is the problem and we need to all Boycott them into extinction.

    • Jatillpirater

      Yes! Those damn pirates.

      “Greek merchants who were trading with ports in Phoenicia and Anatolia occasionally allude casually to piracy, a classic by-product of such trading activity. There is epigraphic evidence for piracy as well: in the 340s Athens honored Cleomis, tyrant of Methymna on Lesbos, for ransoming a number of Athenians captured by pirates.”

      http://www.piratesinfo.com 

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  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    One word: BULLCRAP!

    I am absolutely certain that people are still ‘pirating’ just as much as they used to on the internet.

  • Rabbit80

    Where is the evidence? Can we see the figures showing internet traffic halving and sales doubling please?

  • foff

    The proof is in the pudding.  The studios really do not really believe piracy on the internet is really costing them that much.  When they have to pay up to cover the costs they basically refuse.  If there was a return on investment they would gladly pay.  The message is clear, stopping piracy stopping piracy will not increase profits but what we want is control of the internet delivery system at someone else’s cost.

    Isp’s cannot simply absorb the cost of blocking ip’s and sending notices someone has to pay for the cost.  Any law or judge that forces these things are basically assessing a penalty on anyone who subscribes to the internet.  

    I really don’t see the six strike plan happening in the US.  How are the isp’s going to convince all of their subscribers that they have to pay more for their internet for no benefit other then to hopefully stop a few pirates.  I never heard of any strike method that really resulted in a reduction of traffic.  If the traffic stayed the same it just means pirates found other methods like vpns.

    • Violated0

      Yes all the time there is piracy there is their excuse for harsh new laws that would benefit them for generations.

  • chicken eater

    If the glove don’t fit the MPAA is full of shit!

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  • Guest

    As long as the studios etc. believe in their own minds that traffic has halved and a therefore a success in their minds and if they believe that piracy has been reduced then i doubt that they will pursue other course of action to reduce so called piracy because in their minds they already believe that the action that they are doing already is working. We would be fools to tell the studios that piracy has increased and that there efforts is useless because the more chance there is that they will clamp down harder on piracy. If they don’t see it or hear about it then they will not do anything about it.

  • Violated0

    I have always said that the UK’s Digital Economy Act would fail and here is the exact reason why of basic economics.

    So the NZ ISPs moan about the half a million they invested but here in the UK they would have spent £5.8 million of tax-payer funds even before the first notice is sent out. Then further operating costs will push that even higher.

    The UK taxpayers should certainly demand that the tax funds invested into this scheme to benefit a select club of Copyright Cartels is certainly returned through the very infringement notices send out. Pay for what you use. Except I already know that this will be money wasted on a doomed scheme.

    Well on the day this DEA scheme shuts down I for one will have a good bitch at the UK Government for unleashing this obnoxious smelly pachyderm on to the UK population that no one in the end wanted!

    Then way to go MPAA for totally not using a scheme that they themselves lobbied hard to obtain. I can’t even say what these f**kers are up to when they must surely know the more they use the scheme the lower the price will get. Hell they could buy up the whole scheme for a faction of the cost it takes to make one movie.

    The truth I can only suspect is that NZ has a too small population for them to care about. Then I also suspect they while many desired the scheme most of them are not at all willing to part with their own cash to pay for it. Just maybe they realise the truth about popularity and how people can just VPN or proxy around this scheme.

    Well I say it again… DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED! Get realistic and kill it now before more money is wasted.

  • npo4

    How can they even track all piracy?

    A BBC article quoted them as saying the rate has halved but still remains at 4 out of 10 internet users…

    So they’re trying to tell us 80% of NZ internet users pirated movies?

    On top of that they can’t even track anything like streaming or cyberlockers, so they’re claims are complete rubbish…

    • McCheezits

      They can backtrace IPs.

      Seriously though, they can’t track users of different protocols and get reliable statistics from it, as we’ve seen over the last 8 years.

  • MadAsASnake

    How ludicrous is this? They want the ISP’s to do their dirty work for free? Of course they won’t pursue the third strike. Any number of those and two things get questioned:
    - the outrageous scale of the fines
    - the flimsy nature of the accusations
    The blather about the reductions in piracy (no data as usual) is about appearance, not fact.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    And offshore VPN sales from NZ double
     

  • kunal sanghvi

    they are TOO STUPID to even THINK that the movie piracy halved…someone show them the VPN sales…I pity and curse the fools (MPAA and RIAA dumbasses) who think movie piracy was halved hahahaa

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  • Kin92

    I am a New Zealander and this is complete rubbish. Most people I know did stop downloading after the three strikes law because paranoia and all that, but within a few weeks they all started again.. A lot just started using other sources, VPN, I2P, cyberlockers etc.

    Prices here are too dear, and things come out too late and are filled with too many ads, for people to not download. Stuff.co.nz, a nz news website, ran an article on the high numbers of kiwis downloading Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad. Because Game of Thrones did come out here, but you had to be another $10NZD a month for the HBO channel, on top of already paying for Sky.

    We are a small country and our ISPs and access to digital content are held in a monopoly and almost everyone I know pirates to some extent. Even the politicians are evasive on shutting down on piracy because several have admitted to pirating music online.

    For ages companies could claim we were too far away from other countries, so we had to accept late access to movies and music and pay double then Americans did. But the internet has nullified that excuse. Companies haven’t changed their business practices to suit the times, piracy has therefore increased, and all the MAFIAA do is point at us as if we’re in the wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001165190840 Tony Grooby

    I’M From New Zealand. When FACT pushed though the “skynet” Law they didn’t realize that in New Zealand trying to sue some one is a costly expense, and securing Identity from ISPs is a lot harder because of our privacy Law. making it almost impossible for copyright trolls.  

  • Guest

    “Studios: Movie Piracy Halved After Sending Zero Infringement Notices”

    That’s it! Now the corporate parasites cracked completely!

    Creaaaaaaaaazyyyyyyyyy!

    May be we should threaten to use antibiotic to eradicate all the corporate germs infesting the NZ government to see if only a threat will reduce the infection by half?

    Once we give you the plague just threaten to use antibiotic as a treatment to see if this work!
     

  • Mike

    I like this story …. hahahahahahahahaha … you dont think people have got a bit smarter? Im with telecom, put the price up to $100 to cover expenses.

  • rage

    Honestly who cares, RIANZ and all the muppets can go jump I like my entertainment free so go fuck yourself.

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  • Jimbo

    if this was an independent report with concrete evidence, rather than an industry only report that states ‘facts’ produced by itself, of itself and for itself, then maybe others apart from thick, bribed politicians would believe it. as it is, no one with any sense will take it other than with a pinch of salt. besides, if the threat of sending out an infringement warning has achieved so much, what is the need for being more harsh? if the industries were indeed serious about eliminating ‘file sharing’ they would listen to what their own customers have been saying to them for decades and act accordingly. as they’re not, preferring to leave access to files so they can sue people to make easier money, they still try to be the heavy handed mob. bloody idiots!

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  • Loopyjuice

    So if the mere threat of sending out an infringement warning halved movie
    piracy in less than a month and they haven’t sent out a single warning, stands to reason that if they don’t send out twice as many warnings we’ll all disappear.  I should work for these people they are idiots.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XKKMTSZCAGWAGUKJUPHSYRVBTU Ellen

    This info is a lie, misinformation, to backup they bad work… but trully its not working.

    If it halved the piracy, how  much it increased the movie sales? LMAO at this info

  • Miami Sunset

    They claim piracy costs them millions but they aren’t willing to spend the money to stop it? This could play heavily into the proposed US system.

    And has it really cut piracy 50% or has it just made it 50% harder to detect?

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  • Bnetx1

    Cause the movie people know its wrong cause legaly all they have is an I.P. address of a computer and it will cost them if the people take them up in court to fight it which would take even longer to prove a point and make them look like idiots to the movie industry which does not loose money for people pirating on the box office sales

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  • Gully Foyle

    I’m surprised that the “rights holders/studios/whatever” think $25 per notice is too much. Having discovered the arcane bookkeeping practices of the Film Industry, if they paid “pennies” per notice they would still claim it cost them $500 or more.

    There are cases of films costing $300M, and the studios still, ahem, ‘claim’ it lost money. Could it have been those $8,000 charging for “processing a cheque for payment.” And, as one book puts it: “”[the studio] was legally within its rights to be an unimaginably lousy money manager,” There’s more, just as enlightening and boring.

    The Film Industry has always been long on arrogance.

    Dorothy Parker was right: “The only ‘isms’ Hollywood believes in is plagiarism.”

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