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Leading BitTorrent Admins Discuss The Future of BitTorrent

BitTorrent is by far the most popular way to transfer large files over the Internet, but where will it be five years from now? To get some answers to this question TorrentFreak asked the admins of Mininova, The Pirate Bay, IsoHunt and TorrentSpy what they think the future holds for BitTorrent and their websites.

It’s hard to predict the future, especially when it comes to technology. However, that didn’t put us off and we gave it a shot. We asked the people behind the 4 largest BitTorrent sites on the Internet to tell us how they envision the future of BitTorrent.

Despite the differences these four guys sometimes have, they all believe that no other P2P protocol performs better than BitTorrent at the moment. However, there’s no doubt that there will be changes in the future.

“Technology is always evolving and I have little doubt that 5 or 10 years from now we will be using a different protocol” says Justin from TorrentSpy. Peter (aka Brokep) from The Pirate Bay also thinks new protocols will take over eventually. “There will be other alternatives,” he said “Not necessarily ours but others will come.” Niek from mininova has more faith in BitTorrent but expects that the protocol will evolve rapidly, an opinion shared by Gary from IsoHunt.

Most of the admins also predict that mainstream production companies will eventually embrace BitTorrent and P2P and some of them hope to play an active role in the transition from old to new media distribution. Below you can read the full responses to the question I asked them: What do you think the future holds for BitTorrent and your website?

Niek from Mininovamininova

I’m sure that we’ll see quite a few changes in the P2P landscape during the next couple of years.

From a business perspective, I notice that content producers recognize more and more the advantages of P2P distribution models (see e.g. the Pariah Island case). We all know that DRM is close-to-death, and major studios are now rethinking their business models, which is a good thing. We’d like to see Mininova play a major role in this shift, so stay tuned for some related announcements the coming weeks :)

Looking at the technical side of things, I expect that the BitTorrent protocol will evolve rapidly. See for example (audio and video) streaming, which is already possible and supported by several clients. Other interesting developments are BT-capable chips and TOR-like functionality. New protocols (like the one proposed by The Pirate Bay) might arise, but only time will tell whether these will substitute BitTorrent. Personally, I think BitTorrent can go a long way with some extensions and modifications.

Having said that, Mininova’s only focus won’t be BitTorrent: when the “next big thing” arises, we’ll definitely consider backing it.

Justin from TorrentSpytorrentspy

I don’t really concern myself with the future of BitTorrent the protocol but I do care about peer-to-peer as a technology platform. Technology is always evolving and I have little doubt that 5 or 10 years from now we will be using a different protocol. However I firmly believe that the use of peer-to-peer for everything from data transfer to shared CPU power will take the Internet to the next level.

If we look at TV you will already see this trend. Media use in our society is transitioning from someone else deciding what you want (push) to something that allows what you want, when you want it (pull). Right now you turn the TV on at 8pm to watch your favorite show or skip channels until you stumble across something interesting. The future is a demand system where you can buy and watch an episode the network has “released” any time you want. Tivo is a first step in this direction.

Surprising as it may seem, this can be done pretty easily today, but is tied up in complex licensing schemes, conflicts between producers and distributors, and a wide array of selfish interests. Unfortunately many companies use their power and influence to halt and punish innovations they cannot think of ways to make money with. The monopolies tried to stop the VHS, DVD, and MP3 player, but thankfully failed when they took it to Court. Now Imagine for a second all the amazing products they did manage to squash…

Gary from IsoHuntisohunt

With so much momentum of content behind BitTorrent, I don’t see it going away anytime soon. Unless there’s a far superior and open protocol that is superior to BitTorrent in efficiency and convenience, for which BitTorrent is pretty hard to beat, I see we’ll like have new developments by extending the existing BitTorrent protocol. Although Bram Cohen talked about Merkle trees as a major revision in improving BitTorrent, and that didn’t go anywhere (at least not in open source). When BitTorrent Inc. do significant enough closed source changes to the protocol, BitTorrent will fork or new open protocols will rise.

For future of BitTorrent sites and IsoHunt, I’ve always been an advocate of open and public access. The more sites try to go underground, the more reasons the authority think there’s something dark at work and more they will take sites down by force – Oink and other private trackers for example. I’ve been blogging about P2P and its economic sense/legitimate use cases for a while (latest one on independent music), and I believe that’s what will give BitTorrent continued adoption and acceptance as a de-facto protocol and internet standard. It’s like the WWW: if people didn’t use the early web for other purposes than for porn (which was prolific in the web’s early days), the governments might have a different view and regulations on the internet now. It’s not what copyright infringement or “piracy” may be occurring, on P2P, BitTorrent or the internet. It’s what new use cases we nurture that benefits both end users and content producers, that will correct the stigma behind P2P and BitTorrent and accelerate their acceptance. Development on isoHunt and our other sites will for sure be done with this in mind.

Peter aka Brokep from The Pirate Baythe pirate bay

First of all, I don’t think it’s easy to predict the future. But I do think that it’s very important to be very promiscuous when it comes to the protocols we use. BitTorrent is currently the best but this might change. There will be other alternatives, not necessarily ours but others will come.

In five years things are probably very different from today, technology wise and politically. The latter thing is the biggest issue, not the technology. I would foresee that streaming is bigger and the companies still try to frame their users to use their locked down systems, maybe not DRM but rather streamed with their clients (like the BT DNA system) which will contain other copyright protection scams.

What do you think?

It’s great to hear the opinions and predictions of the leading BitTorrent admins, but what do you think the future of BitTorrent will be? Will we be all using a new protocol 5 years from now, will BitTorrent sites change, will TV and movie producers embrace BitTorrent?

Let us know!

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  • Anonymous

    dunno

  • #

    I hope we have a highly advanced completely anonymous decentralized protocol (but still using tracker type sites, just we need a lot of them; some big, some small).

    I hope the next protocol isn’t just “bittorent with our names on it”, but a radically different protocol.

    My prediction? Major sites will fall, new sites will come up. We will mourn the loss and be thankful to all the fallen sites have given us, while trying to make the new sites the best they can be.

  • Consuming Hatt

    “Technology is always evolving and I have little doubt that 5 or 10 years from now we will be using a different protocol”

  • Consuming Hatred

    “Technology is always evolving and I have little doubt that 5 or 10 years from now we will be using a different protocol”

    Did you mean, “I have little doubt that 5 or 10 years from now we will be using the same protocol” ?

    In any case, with technology you can always expect the unexpected as long as people continue to show interest in a specific field. Hopefully we’ll have plenty of hard-working innovative minds on our side trying to concoct some new breed of file-sharing technology to facilitate our sharing endeavors. I am also hopeful that the industry also evolve and reconsider their seemingly now ineffective and outdated approach towards customers and development of new media.

  • wCao

    [quote comment="212555"]dunno[/quote]

    lmao

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="212575"]“Technology is always evolving and I have little doubt that 5 or 10 years from now we will be using a different protocol”

    Did you mean, “I have little doubt that 5 or 10 years from now we will be using the same protocol” ?

    In any case, with technology you can always expect the unexpected as long as

    people continue to show interest in a specific field. Hopefully we’ll have plenty of hard-working innovative minds on our side trying to concoct some new breed of file-sharing technology to facilitate our sharing endeavors. I am also hopeful that the industry also evolve and reconsider their seemingly now ineffective and outdated approach towards customers and development of new media.[/quote]

    i am sorry but are you retarded? the sentence was stated correctly

  • spycopy

    I forsee the next big thing will be streaming content. For example I can stream a music video from nuclear blast in 30 seconds, but it could take 20 minutes or longer to DL the video via torrent or less. but streaming a DL will be fast. Have a good night

  • |v|aS

    I think that the SecureP2P project by TPB is looking pretty decent from the brief bit I have read about it (securep2p.net).

    I would hope, especially after we have seen large trackers such as OiNK and Demonoid go under, that a decentralized tracker-free system can be developed. If this is not possible, a less tracker reliant system would also be an excellent start.

    |v|aS

  • trentino

    hydra :)

  • JoeC123

    With the current state of the torrent community, I am more concerned and focused on now as opposed the next generation of p2p. It’s going to be difficult for the major trackers to find a way to make keeping the site open worth the barrage of threatening letters and law suits. And with more and more countries adopting copyright laws, the idea of moving to a more liberal nation is lessening.
    There’s no reason that Mininova or a similar site can’t take over where Demonoid left off in terms of community. All it would take is requiring registration and tracking ratios. Maybe making the user interface for leaving comments a little simpler. Commenting on a torrent is very under-rated in my opinion. That is one of the things that I liked about Demonoid, the comments and the community!

  • Ahoy Matey!

    I predict in 5 years every admin may possibly be in jail begging donations for their legal defense like OINK….sad but nevertheless a possibility…

  • BitFuture

    Personally, I see BitTorrent or it’s predecesor as being faster, easier, used by more people and legal.
    The government can’t always live with thir heads in the sand.
    Something has to change.
    Besdes, think how much faster internet speeds are going to be in a few years.

  • redbeaver

    Hmm, in the beginning there was Morpheus, but that got slammed, abused etc. There you didn’t need to go to sites and see whats available, one server would tell you what is available for Morpheus. Then came Bitorrent, a safer way for the websites to provide data as the actual file isn’t on the server, but where can it go from there… Well I think based on laws, Bittorrent is pretty much unbeatable unless you like to threat server providers like the demonoid story. But on the other hand unlike Morpheus which was just one program. The tech. with Bittorrent broke off the concept of one program/server showing the availability of files into branches as in a torrent site would host their own torrent files so because of 1 person it wouldn’t ruin it for the community. So based on that unless there is an even better way to protect the providers I don’t think anything can defeat or surpass Bittorrent.

  • swe

    The darknet will take over the world in 2048.

  • Taylor Hewitt

    Well I read in one of the more recent articles on TF that the next protocol will be more focused on the security of users and taking into account some new threats in todays world.

  • fatla00

    We’ll just have to see. People today still use Limewire even though the Bit Torrent Revolution has already hit, so whatever may change in the future will never bring an end to Bit Torrent. (Though you could argue that no one using Bit Torrent is an idiot so when the next big thing comes along, we’ll All flock to it).

  • Anonymous

    lets just start with opening torrentspy up to US users

  • Jackson

    lets start with opening torrent spy up to US users

  • Anon787

    My Wishlist for future versions of bittorent:

    1. Tor-like anonymous options enabled by default (everyone becomes an exit router & everyone gains from it). Donating of bandwidth as an exit router mandatory (i.e. min 25% of your bw).

    2. Forced Encryption (header+payload) enabled by default.

    3. Video (Read TV) Streaming through it a la delayed Sattelite TV access to all channels in the world (encrypted & annonymous).

    4. Continuous developtment of Intelligent code to circumvent the toughest ISP throttling/blocking techniques out there. ISP throttling is likely to become and even greater threat to bittorent than the MAFIAA’s & CRIA’s of the world.

    5. Expand the protocol to support other Internet protocols (i.e. Email, music streaming, tucows/linux/patching distros, etc) such that other unprotected protocols gain from the anonymity of bittorent, and the encryption. In return, ISPs have less reason to block it because it will be increasingly be used for legit reasons.

    6. Allow for MD5 like encrypted signatures of people who upload torrents so that we can distinguish a real AXXO from a fake one (and also clean up 90%+ of all the fake torrents out there).

    Beyond that, I wish Torrent tracker admins also increased security today:

    1) All torrent sites should run ONLY on httpS (SSL). There’s no excuse not to (ok so it sucks up more CPU), but it kills ISP & law snooping.

    2) Torrent site admins should continue to work together and develop BEST PRACTICES list for how to setup a torrent site, with special focus on security. For instance the following should be part of the list of step by step instructions:

    a) How to configure HTTPS
    b) How to run encrypted partitions on all your servers.
    c) How to automatically delete all user related log files that could be used to identify users.
    d) Establish secret code words between original senior site admins for the purpose of sending secret urgent messages (i.e. “Hey I’m going to 7/11 to grab a slurpee”)… which actually means “hey I got busted, delete everything & go hide”.
    e) Any forum rooms and/or IRC sould all run over forced encrypted connections. There’s no excuse not to.
    f) How to perform encrypted backups of key server configs to offshore secure sites.

    I’m sure others can come up with even more ideas.

    Anon787

  • Prentice

    [quote comment="212778"]My Wishlist for future versions of bittorent:

    1. Tor-like anonymous options enabled by default (everyone becomes an exit router & everyone gains from it). Donating of bandwidth as an exit router mandatory (i.e. min 25% of your bw).

    2. Forced Encryption (header+payload) enabled by default.

    3. Video (Read TV) Streaming through it a la delayed Sattelite TV access to all channels in the world (encrypted & annonymous).

    4. Continuous developtment of Intelligent code to circumvent the toughest ISP throttling/blocking techniques out there. ISP throttling is likely to become and even greater threat to bittorent than the MAFIAA’s & CRIA’s of the world.

    5. Expand the protocol to support other Internet protocols (i.e. Email, music streaming, tucows/linux/patching distros, etc) such that other unprotected protocols gain from the anonymity of bittorent, and the encryption. In return, ISPs have less reason to block it because it will be increasingly be used for legit reasons.

    6. Allow for MD5 like encrypted signatures of people who upload torrents so that we can distinguish a real AXXO from a fake one (and also clean up 90%+ of all the fake torrents out there).

    Beyond that, I wish Torrent tracker admins also increased security today:

    1) All torrent sites should run ONLY on httpS (SSL). There’s no excuse not to (ok so it sucks up more CPU), but it kills ISP & law snooping.

    2) Torrent site admins should continue to work together and develop BEST PRACTICES list for how to setup a torrent site, with special focus on security. For instance the following should be part of the list of step by step instructions:

    a) How to configure HTTPS
    b) How to run encrypted partitions on all your servers.
    c) How to automatically delete all user related log files that could be used to identify users.
    d) Establish secret code words between original senior site admins for the purpose of sending secret urgent messages (i.e. “Hey I’m going to 7/11 to grab a slurpee”)… which actually means “hey I got busted, delete everything & go hide”.
    e) Any forum rooms and/or IRC sould all run over forced encrypted connections. There’s no excuse not to.
    f) How to perform encrypted backups of key server configs to offshore secure sites.

    I’m sure others can come up with even more ideas.

    Anon787[/quote]

    Beautiful. Brilliant. These are the only important parts of next-gen P2P, and in the past three years I have seen zero development on any of these fronts. I can only hope that the R&D is going on underground, but reality calls for something more tangible.

    With respect to additional suggestions, all that’s left is (I can’t remember the name for it), ability of the network to operate even with a significant proportion of corrupted/infected nodes.

    But for now, the ISP-throttling DPI is a cat and mouse game, and in over three years, DPI has been advancing nonstop, whereas BT came up with a half-hearted “header encryption”. We are losing: developers save us!

  • Anonymous

    I think exeem was a very good idea, just poorly executed. I think an exeem type piece of software is the future. There can still be sites that host the files that point to the downloads, but no centralized tracker..

    Jordan

  • astrospliff

    less seeded torrents should stick to you for a day-2 or until 0.1 ratio.
    just dreamweavin

  • Lephron

    What I see for the future is things getting easier. Right now it isn’t that easy to download your favourite TV shows or new films (it’s not hard, but it’s not as simple as something like YouTube).

    I already see progress in this area. For example, http://www.foxtorrent.com/ lets you download torrents directly in your browser, and sites like http://www.flixflux.co.uk and http://www.thesprawl.se organise torrents and link it with other data to make is much easier to find films and tv shows your after.

    In the future I think the whole process will be automated. New TV shows and films will be automatically downloaded based on your preferences. It’s exciting times!

  • Smart1

    dumb Americans.. sigh

  • Fingerless Bob

    ;’lsAOL0-Sew.’:sd v:”>cx’
    c> c
    XD
    ?xsd

  • twizz

    i dont see the technology in dispute currently
    it’s the law which sourrounds it’s use which is being defined at present.

    We’ve been through a honeymoon period – a lawless vacuum on a new frontier – a place where no law existed.

    But as each case occurs – the law makes itself present and defines it’s own power regarding this area.

    I think we are dealing with something much more complicated than the ascent of vhs, dvd or mp3, it’s a much bigger equation – with simply many more people and devices and cultural forms involved.

    I think the rise of law to this area will continue to be complicated and in it’s way innovative. It’s law which will define the extent of power of the ‘pullers’ – the consumers, who dictate over and above the former suppliers & their old models of manufacturing culture.

    But Law is the final word. it is extremely powerful in it’s influenece on the mind of the masses. It can irradicate whole realities – it can put back developments for a whole generation (upto 20 years) and inturrupt what would have been a natural organic process of growth.

    The way the Law is being defined at present is intense. It’s on a day-by-day basis. It’s still open – could swing 100% one way or another.
    It is the new frontier within the frontier and once established, it carries the last laugh.

  • Anonymous

    5 years later ,p2p will be dead. people will getting movie from site like youtube ,veoh , …

    this also mean the end of **AA suing people.

  • Kisli

    eh, why bother.
    In 10 years even possessing a computer will be considered as an act of terrorism.
    In 50 years it will be irrelevant, since technology and education will be privileges that only tiny minority will be allowed to access.
    Pw2P

  • KennyG101

    In a few years no one will bother watching new main stream movies , even if they are free, because they will have realised 99.999% are shite. They will be giving them away with microwave pop corn.
    Many p2p ers will suddenly realise that they have 100 TBs of cack filling up boxes of DVDs that they never intended to watch but just got because they could.
    The complete criterion collection will be sold on Market Stalls for the price of a packet of cigarettes.
    TVs will be 100 inch but the most popular channel will be of snow scenes as the outside temperatures top 60 Celsius.
    TPB will have bought out Sony Studios.

  • die?

    Listen to all, plucking a feather from every passing goose, but follow no one absolutely.

  • Anonymous Coward

    About that comment (#19) on being tor-like exit nodes: wouldn’t a person (e.g RIAA helper) connected to you still see you uploading music to them regardless of who’s traffic you were hiding? (would you get an infringement notice due to seeding?) It’s not as though you have a copy, although you do have a part of it…

    Though that makes me wonder, could you get out of it if you say that your machine was mindlessly routing possibly copyright infringing content, like your isp’s routers do every day…

  • dmac

    seriously 10 years ago it was strictly napster and limewire for me now its all about the bit torrent. I believe that the next decade will show some newer and better tech for sure

  • Meck78

    That BT is hard to beat is something I’d call myth. As a software developer I can think of plenty of weeknesses and improvements. That’s probably why the Pirate Bay tries to create a new, better protocol from scratch. BT was more or less a quick hack, as you can see by the fact, that it bases on HTTP, a protocol much less than optimal for file access (which is why many sites still offer their HTTP downloads as FTP downloads, too) – HTTP was designed for browsing webpages and filling out forms and clicking on links. BT surely works quite well and it gets the job done, but that does not mean you can’t do any better. I still only use BT occasionally, I don’t know any better alternative currently either – but IPv6 is going to push through sooner or later and it offers completely new possibilities. E.g. using multicast, a single user could send a piece of data to 30 other users at once, still the data block only has to go once over his Internet line. Something impossible with the way BT currently works.

  • KennyG101

    Meck78.. do you actually understand the BT protocol? Because from your comment you don’t seem to.

  • Soujirou7

    Wow, that is the first time I’ve seen promiscuous used in a non-sexual way. Cool.

  • Utilitygeek

    To those who want to force a ratio: It will never happen. I can simply pull my network cable when the DL is done. Move the file. Re-install the client. There will always be ways around it. That said, please seed. It’s only polite.

    Personally, I’d like to see the cloud be able to act as a sort of informal torrent site. My client can define a local cloud (the definition of local is up for debate) and be able to show me new torrents in my local cloud, allow me to search against a cache of “local” torrents, etc. Because my cloud may not be the same cloud as that of a user three hops from me, with some smart caching, clients could do both “local” and “semi-local” searches or announcements by checking the files available on systems that are outside my cloud, but one “cloud-hop” from me. If connections and a count of available files was also available, the client could make multiple hops to find the clients in linked clouds with the largest caches. Search would be slow, but if you set up “triggers”, you could simply set up a system that identified matches, put them in an unstarted queue, and allowed you to either start them or list them as ignorable.

    Comments?

  • Solidus

    I think the next protocol will be something more steam based. But more flexible where people will actually be able to afford music/movies/video games on a low income budget.

  • Squeak

    I think that the future may involve war-driving and traveling sneaker-nets. Thumbdrives pack a huge amount of data now and are only gonna get bigger.

    You take your thumbdrive with it’s cargo of goodies and use a public computer to upload your crap packed in an unlabeled .rar with a few added nonsense files to confuse the hash to a public storage space. Then you go to your Listing space and list the url of your file and the name of your file.

    A current incarnation of this is Rapid-Share for storage and Blogger.com for listing and commenting on the files. For security, each member could require an invite or something as we do now…and sense the uploading is done elsewhere, such as a cyber cafe or on public PC’s…

  • Ted

    The Future is so much exciting! A different protocol will evolve! Much secure filesharing is what we foresee! and the entertainment industry should embrace the P2P!

  • Anonymous

    Utilitygeek, that’s not true. It is possible by using cryptographic methods appropriately but you can doubt whether it would be worth the overhead.

    What’s even more dubious is whether there is something like a perfect ratio and whether it would actually improve anything. If you force people to have a good ratio, even though most have asymmetric bandwidth, they’ll simply move on. There are many people who don’t really care about leeching anyway because they are more interested in making their stuff available than downloading themselves. I mean, just imagine, how would the world-wide web look like if it made use of ratios? “Sorry you can’t browse this website because you don’t have any homepage.”

  • Utilitygeek

    @anonymous:

    It’s not true that I can stop my computer from uploading? I can’t turn it off? I can’t unplug it? I can’t run my torrent client in, say, a VM and reset the VM? How does cryptography help here? How does it prevent me from installing a client that lies about what it’s ratio is?

    I agree there there are some who are more interested in making their content available, but the fact that they’ve put their content on BT shows they *are* interested in reducing bandwith and, so, are concernew with leechers.

    The major reason for using BT is to share bandwith with those downloading/seeding.

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  • timeFalls

    the future of bittorrent lies in its security.

    from a personal perspective, i believe we need to implement more security features, for example transport encryption needs stepping up, and perhaps measures such as sharing information with trusted IPs from private trackers to prevent the M/RIAA from undertaking their sneaky shit on the public trackers.

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    Greetings to all.

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  • Molly

    I just want to know if it is legal or not to download torrent movies. I got a notice from my server that warned me of using too much bandwidth and they suggested it was from Torrent usage. Molly

  • Molly

    I still want to know if I can get fined by downloading DVRip videos.
    Molly

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  • anonymous

    I agree with Anon 787 completely.
    We need a protocol that enables users to be anonymous without using too much resources or bandwidth.
    Who can develop something like that? I would like to support them.

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