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‘Torrent’ Becomes A Dirty Word As Site Admin Fined $29,000

A French Court of Appeal has just upheld the sentencing of an administrator of two BitTorrent-related sites. Despite no evidence being presented that money was made from the sites through advertising as claimed – or even that any infringements had occurred – the admin now faces a $29,000 payout. Bizarrely, the Court decided that having the word ‘torrent’ in his sites’ URLs showed that he knew about infringements.

Following a complaint by the French rightsholder group SACEM, in June 2008 police arrested Blackistef, the administrator of two BitTorrent related sites; Torrentnews.net, a links forum and Torrent-public-center.com, a meta-search engine.

“I spent a day like a thief, locked in their cells filled with shit and even showered on the walls,” said Blackistef at the time. “A hole in the ground for a toilet (which you can not flush) and a single concrete bench.”

“There was an indescribable smell; the guys wrote their name on the walls with shit mixed with the remains of prison food. Even the SPCA [Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals] cages are cleaner and more humane!” he continued.

A year later in June 2009, Blackistef lost his case and was ordered by a court to pay SACEM 17,000 euros ($24,500) in damages plus costs. In addition Blackistef was given a four month suspended jail sentence. He immediately appealed the decision.

The Court of Appeal heard the case last month and upheld the decision of the original court, handing down the jail sentence plus damages and costs totalling some 20,000 euros ($29,000).

The Court rejected Blackistef’s defense that as a service provider or intermediary he should not be held responsible for material posted by users provided he complied with takedown requests. Instead the court took into account their belief that Blackistef had “knowledge of wrongful acts.”

Blackistef has since listed a number of important points from the trial, notably that claims from SACEM that he was making money from advertising on the site were incorrect. The banner ads complained about by SACEM were actually member signatures and the site had no advertising income at all. But perhaps more worrying are the revelations from court papers just obtained by French news outlet Numerama.

“The decision gives the impression of having been guided more by the desire to punish a state of mind, rather than by the strict application of the law or a rigorous analysis of the allegations,” editor Guillaume Champeau explains.

The papers include a statement from the Court which declares that “..the names of these sites [when they include the word 'torrent'] encourage illegal activity. Torrent sites are accessed by users of the BitTorrent protocol which has a main, if not unique purpose, of enabling downloading of copyright protected works.”

In a nutshell, having the word “torrent” in a domain name can be reason enough to presume bad intentions.

In respect of meta-search engine Torrent-public-center.com, the Court said that since it searched other sites such as Mininova, The Pirate Bay and isoHunt, this search engine was one dedicated to “unlawful downloading”.

Furthermore, Champeau notes that the Court was unable to establish from the evidence provided by SACEM that any unlawful downloads had occurred as a result of the sites’ existence.

Instead the Court decided to be rather more general in stating that Blackistef “created Internet sites contributing to the underground economy” and his actions “contributed to the destabilization of the economy of artistic creation” and must therefore be punished.

“The court clearly sided with SACEM with this ruling, ignoring all the defendant arguments,” Champeau told TorrentFreak. “It either did not fully understand the facts and misinterpreted the law that should have applied at least for the search engine part, or the court did it on purpose because it wanted the man sentenced so that it wouldn’t create a void other sites could enter into.”

Nevertheless, Blackistef says he has no money left to continue fighting SACEM and has now accepted his fate.

“The term ‘justice is for the rich’ is unfortunately not a myth,” he concludes.

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  • Anon

    Unbelieveable, when will the madness stop! I say we all donate some money to this guy so he can defend himself against this nonsense!

    • Anonymous

      This is one of the most ‘disturbing’ article that I have come across in TF in a while …. Truly I am speechless !!!

      So the word ‘torrent’ is now illegal ? I mean the torrent as a technology is fully legit, yet France allows its Court to lay down a sentence treating this guy as a Criminal..Wow..Just fuck1ng WOW !!!!!!!!!!

      This is like saying ‘Cars’ are illegal because its used by robbers to run away after looting a bank… or hammers are illegal because a thief use it to break down into a house …. This madness is showing no sign of stopping !!

      And most of all … What the Fuck is French Pirate Party doing ? Why aren’t they fighting against the atrocious French Law and the SACEM for Blackistef ???

      http://www.partipirate.org/blog/index.php

      Why the fuck are they sleeping ?

      • LaLa

        If there was ever a case for a Western government using censorship, and a debate called for in the European courts for the reversal of a ludicrous decision, surely this is it?

    • Ryzzo

      Agreed! This is a perversion of justice and a failure of the French court systems. I would be willing to assist with donations.

      TF: Is there a way to get in touch with this unfortunate gentleman to discuss donations for funding a proper appeal?

    • https://thepiratebay.org/user/manOtor/ manOtor

      Lets not only donate some money to someone!

      There are many young people all around the world who just wait to be taken by the hand and lead to a new purpose! Young people are already thinking different about the copyright monopoly itself.

      We need to take action and start to fight with our opponent’s weapons:
      THE MEDIA!

      Never before were the means so affordable and so easy to use!
      We do have a great creative potential and the ways to distribute messages all over the world are at hand.

      Let’s start making little trailers about how wrong the copyright monopoly is and how only a few really profit from the shrinking freedom to our human rights.
      Let us explain in simple phrases and pictures why we pirate and that most of us wouldn’t if there would be a change!
      Then Let’s flood the Internet with them. Let our words and pictures become the truth that our opponent fears so much!

      People nowadays are depending on the Media to tell them the truth about the world they live in!

      Thats the reality we should face and act accordingly.

      • Anonymous

        Inspirational ……..+1

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        I’ve just wiped a tear from my eyes. Thumbs up!

      • Donotreply

        This is something that definitely needs doing, hopefully this takes off in a way that allows open collaboration by other people who support such a motion. Maybe sometime in the near future I could find some time to donate constructively towards such a worthy cause (I do a little bit of this informally via informing people about the truth of copyright, who it really protects and in a simple enough form they can understand).

        One thing I would contribute here is again a reminder that media should be distributed as artist -> Internet -> people ($ direct to artists) as opposed to the ancient artist -> MAFIAA/distros/middlemen -> people.

        Fear of such events though are among the core reasons why Governments across the globe are trying to gain control of the internet. They don’t want us forming opinions that go against the interests of their financial backers (lobbying = bribery) or the special minority groups they pander to on occasion for a grab at traditional news headlines.

    • Xult

      I would be prepared to donate whatever I could afford.
      Surely this needs to be reviewed in a higher court.
      Maybe a European court.

      On another note:
      What are you guys gonna rename TorrentFreak.
      Surely this site is also illegal in France.
      This site surely links to many people who
      download via a Bittorrent client.

      Off with your heads.
      Madame Guillotine awaits.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        SharingFreak? But they’ll outlaw sharing too as it’s mostly used tor refer to copyrighted content available illegally. Oh, let’s not forget to outlaw the words google, e-mail, youtube… LOL.

        Delusional, that’s what they are.

    • Ugly American

      Poor bastard. I’m surprised he wasn’t shot dead.

      Way to go, France – you’ve just become America’s 51st state.
      Perhaps Governor Sarkozy would like to say a few words… <3

      • I’m not French

        The French are fucked-up in their own unique (inscrutable) way. We don’t want them.

    • dean

      How can we donate i,m willing too.

    • dean

      How can we donate i,m willing too.

  • Jimbo

    typical French! what wankers! i suppose the next thing people will be fined for (or worse!) is having a computer!

    • Counter_Troll

      Typical French?

      That’s the first stupid comment in this thread, we’re talking about a court decision here, so it’s: a stupid judge taking a wrong decision on a matter he doesn’t even know (I bet he doesn’t know how to open his mails and have it done by his assistant… Judges are known to be quite retarded when it comes to technology…).

      But saying that the French are wankers because of that? Weak

      Fuck the judge, fuck the judiciary system (US one is no better than French one in case you didn’t know), but the French?? They are the victims here.

      What should they (the rest of the world) say when an American is shot dead just because he crosses the street while carving a piece of wood with a knife? Or this case where a this guy was sentenced and jailed for more than 10 years in Texas and was actually innocent, Texas state was ordered in court to pay him X money for each year in jail, and guess what: they never paid…

      So, what should they say: What a retarded people Americans are?

      Dumb ass racist.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        I can see his intentions here, sir Frenchie. Where are the demonstrations against the Govt? How the Fuck have they put that arsehole Sarkozy there? (and now there’s a little Sarkozy coming to further pollute this world).

        I’m not really defending his post but it’s some food for thought. I myself have nothing against the French.. But something is missing here. Have a chat with the Spanish/Egyptian and so on. They are doing it right.

      • Ugly American

        “Typical French?”

        Typical French fries – I like mine with ketchup and a huge greasy burger.

        “That’s the first stupid comment in this thread, we’re talking about a court decision here, so it’s: a stupid judge taking a wrong decision on a matter he doesn’t even know (I bet he doesn’t know how to open his mails and have it done by his assistant… Judges are known to be quite retarded when it comes to technology…).”

        Agreed – which isn’t very typical of me. Or French, come to think of it…

        “But saying that the French are wankers because of that? Weak”

        It isn’t any “weaker” than your typical Euro-trash scum who pollute TF with their anti-American horseshit each and every time the MAFIAA or their shills attempt to destroy a little more of our freedom. Unlike the short-sighted pricks who blame the entire American population for decisions made by corporate gangsters, I won’t blame the French people for decisions made “their” leaders – that being said, the French are usually wrong, irrational and temperamental as fvck. Oh, and they’re a bunch of snobs too – huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge superiority complex. Bigger than $arkozy’s nose… <3

  • http://twitter.com/ahm Avery

    My Linux ISOs!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    Wow. Just wow. I’m speechless.

    Way to go France, yet again. French ppl should whip some sanity in the Govt. Spanish way.

    • Anonymous

      Oh, it will. Next election it has been rumored Sarkozy won’t get enough votes.. luckily.

      • Counter-Troll

        Well…. I’m not so sure, Sarkozy was supposed to lose against DSK (DOminique Strauss Khan… The pervert!), so now that DSK is toast there’s not much competition for Sarkozy…
        Let’s hope that this show off midget loses and is replaced by someone with something else than his own interests in mind.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Yes. Let’s hope he loses. Nothing will convince me Strauss wasn’t set up.

  • I am a sausage not a hotdog

    That’s pathetic!! I can’t say much more because that’s the best way i can describe it.

  • WTF

    I didn’t realize French jails hadn’t progressed from the revolution.

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  • http://www.mafiaafire.com MAFIAAFire

    France desperately needs another revolution, and another round of head chopping.

    • Jmorse43508

      If there ever is another revolution, Sarkozy will probably be one of the first to lose his head.

      • http://www.mafiaafire.com MAFIAAFire

        Closely followed by his talentless hack of a wife I hope…

        • Anonymous

          nah, Sarkozy bought Carla because she needed the drugs and the power. Will probably leave.

  • Glowerous

    Another precedent set (in France at least) the word ‘torrent’ is now illegal in a sitename for a site which discusses, links to, or uses….torrents. Feel sure this is a form of censorship, but considering the stupidity of the statement from the court, I’m still struggling to comprehend it in a real-world context. Mostly because there was no evidence of torrents being used a) to download anything and b) what they were used for.

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to ban names with the word ‘gun’ in them?

    Does anyone else find this shit decision ludicrous and incomprehensible?

  • Punisher

    Torrent R.I.P.

    • :)

      RIP o caralho LOL

  • LaLa

    It’s turned it into a ‘dirty word’, and a potentially subversive act to include ‘that word which shall not be named’ in sites in the future.

    French justice is so laughable.

    • Anonymous

      Good idea.
      thatwordthatshallnotbenamedz.eu :p

  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    Wow. Just wow. I guess eventually if you speak the word ‘torrent’ you’ll be executed on the spot. To say the law is overreacting is an understatement.

    • Anonymous

      Hyperbolic much? You’re part of the problem.

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        What’s your point?

  • johnsmith999

    Since when were Torrents Illegal !!

    Another ludicrus legal decision

    • Aegis

      they never were, just some greedy wished they were.

  • Astrogator

    Sometimes, just some times, TF comes along and shows us something infinitely funnier than ANY comedy show you could find or download with a Bit-’thingy’ client.

    God! Make it stop. My stomach muscles are aching!
    Thank you France. You made my day.
    You just made yourself the laughing stock of the entire World.

    • Anonymous

      I just pictured in my head the “Yakety Sax” (a.k.a. Benny Hill chase music) playing as a bunch of Judges/Lawyers run around chasing Admins who write “torrents” in random places. The judges/lawyers wag fingers, cross out the word “torrents”, point excitedly when they spot admins, then chase after them. Admins give them the slip, rewrite “torrents” in bigger letters, and run off again.

      Lol. Way funnier than any tv show indeed, but funnier if you imagine it happening to that song.

      • Anon

        After reading this comment, my only regret was that I had but one like to give.

  • Annon

    Fukin French make me laugh! They can bring the whole of the Country to unity with National Strikes and close Ferry Terminals… yet the dumb mofos cannot stand up and defy this act of breaking there Human Rights?

  • http://www.facebook.com/warface.aps WarFace Aps

    is torrentfreak in trouble?
    you even link to torrent sites!

    • Anonymous

      That depends on how much of our freedoms and civil rights get eroded by new laws and governmental abuse.

      If we stand back and do nothing then they will take it all.

    • Anonymous

      That depends on how much of our freedoms and civil rights get eroded by new laws and governmental abuse.

      If we stand back and do nothing then they will take it all.

  • Jpth

    About time a despicable pirate is treated as it should be –Shit!

    • Aegis

      about time a despicable fat greedy industry scumbag like yourself is treated as it should be – Shit!

    • Jpth licks Sarkozy’s balls

      flagged troll

      • abc

        pls don’t flag trolls, freedom of speech and all that

      • abc

        pls don’t flag trolls, freedom of speech and all that

        • Anonymous

          Does propaganda count as freedom of speech?

    • Jmorse43508

      Obvious troll is obvious.

      Move along now, nothing to see here.

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  • Christophe Thomas

    Ze Frenchz hitz again – maybe zey need to win some war zo zey feel better! Sarko pls stop ze stupid thingz – do some stuff in Africa and let the poor guy go!

  • SurrenderMonkeys

    Stupid French

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      That’s what ya get for living in a stupid country I guess.

    • Brandon

      What do you expect from france? Its a stupid government controlled Shithole….

  • http://twitter.com/TheGift73 Richard Gailey

    That is ridiculous!

    Can he reject the decision and appeal to The European Courts?

    • Anonymous

      Yes he should take this to the European court when clearly France is on a witch hunt and European courts like to slap around bad national justice.

      Clearly he needs some legal sponsorship and a donations PayPal account is what he should get.

      • Counter-Troll

        You know what, I bet that no one here will actually give him a cent, that’s how people act behind their screen “Let’s do this” “I’ll give him that” “Let’s fight” etc… When they will actually not do a thing…

  • Jimmy

    so what happens to the legal downloads done with torrents? are all sites now to be banned, simply because of that ‘dreaded word’? are all site admins to be fined because they use that ‘dreaded word’? i bet Sarkozy is at the bottom of this, with threats against the legal system to toe HIS line!

  • abc

    yet another pi$$ take from our cheese eating surrender monkey friends, I for one am more than happy to help fund Champeau to fight this, just let me know where to send some money?

    • Seconded

      J’aime votre style !

  • Anonymous

    I can only believe this French court is totally wrong. Making “torrents” a taboo word is clearly false. Legal examples are like torrentfreak, torrentlegalstuff, torrentmyasshole etc.

    The word “torrent” comes from the BitTorrent transfer protocol. This like all other transfer protocols is clearly legal and has many legal applications including how FaceBook update their servers. So using “torrent” in a domain name does not indicate any lawful or unlawful intention.

    As to a website then clearly a search engine of other BT sites hosts no copyrighted media at all and neither does it directly link to it. I am sure the site also mentioned no media so gave no recommendations to visitors. So what the search engine linked to was clearly what the visitors searched for and that makes any infringement the responsibility of the visitors and not the website owner.

    Or does society now hold mayors, politicians and other people directly responsible for crimes committed in their region? Obviously no.

    The court not proving any infringement at all clearly makes their judgement wrong. It is nothing more than a witch hunt in that we believe them guilty based on the belief of others who provide no evidence to prove that they are correct.

    My friend died and I saw a black shadow next to THIS WOMAN. She is a witch who cursed my friend and now sleeps with Satan. “Burn her!” the court cries.

    A European court would soon kick French court butt.

    Google should pay close attention to this one. Had their site been named googletorrents then French court would say they are guilty as well. They after all link to TPB and all these same BT sites.

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  • Anonymous

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    • abc

      Spam, flagged

  • R.

    Remember that the French government is run by Sarkozy, who is rather corrupt and has an effective monopoly on the media there. It’s only natural he’d influence judgments like this one.

  • Anon

    The court didn’t say the word torrent was illegal. The overwhelming percentage of global BitTorrent traffic infringes copyright and the court said that his use of the word was indicative of his likely awareness his traffic was infringing. That wasn’t that hard to understand, folks.

    It’s irrelevant whether he was making bank on advertising or not. He was facilitating infringement and that’s why people came to his site, to find unlawful torrents. That’s enough.

    “Justice is for the rich” is hilarious. He was operating a site found dedicated to facilitating infringement, then got an appeal and even lost a second time on appeal and he still claims there’s no justice. ha ha ha.
    He’s the kind of guy who always accuses the other side of cheating whenever his favorite sports team loses, too. :-)

    • Anonymous

      STOP TROLLING! (would someone ban this guy)

      How much did Mitch Baker et al pay you (Or did he suck your cock?)
      Torrents are legal, the court said it’s not legal, even the word.

      “The overwhelming percentage of global BitTorrent traffic infringes copyright and the court said that his use of the word was indicative of his likely awareness his traffic was infringing.”
      Show numbers that aren’t biased by the MAFIAA (even MSNBC is less biased)

      “It’s irrelevant whether he was making bank on advertising or not. He was facilitating infringement and that’s why people came to his site, to find unlawful torrents. That’s enough.”
      How did he know?

      “”Justice is for the rich” is hilarious. He was operating a site found dedicated to facilitating infringement, then got an appeal and even lost a second time on appeal and he still claims there’s no justice. ha ha ha”.
      Who says the rich haven’t bribed the judicial system? That site could have hosted Ubuntu, but you probably don’t know that because you either use Windows without security patches or OS X which was paid for by the MAFIAA.

      “He’s the kind of guy who always accuses the other side of cheating whenever his favorite sports team loses, too. :-)”
      Now you’re being mean and insulting him…

      • abc

        The dude is a troll, just ignore them pls don’t feed them

        • Brandon

          Just ignore them. There comments are meaningless anyway…

        • Anonymous

          True, but I just lik

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        • Anonymous

          Like to tell him the truth

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        • Anonymous

          Why is everyone with an alternative viewpoint a troll? Yes, he may be trying to stir up trouble, but you can’t know that unless he makes it incredibly obvious.

          Calling people a troll seems to be the newest method to avoid arguments. Having an unbiased view of a story isn’t necessarily a bad thing. :)

      • Ugly American

        “That site could have hosted Ubuntu, but you probably don’t know that because you either use Windows without security patches or OS X which was paid for by the MAFIAA.”

        THAT is the comment of the week – sir, I am in awe. I haven’t laughed harder since Murdock “accidentally” downloaded gay pr0n:
        http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-p2p-lawsuit-shows-signs-of-a-pirate-honeypot-110601/

    • Aegis

      get the fuck out of here, your not part of anonymous so dont use the name. modern copyright law is bullshit, copyright was not meant to be abused by the wealthy so there. suck it.

    • Aegis

      get the fuck out of here, your not part of anonymous so dont use the name. modern copyright law is bullshit, copyright was not meant to be abused by the wealthy so there. suck it.

      • Aegis

        stupid internet connection issues made it post three times, oh well, now it will reverberate in your empty skull three times you loser.

    • Aegis

      get the fuck out of here, your not part of anonymous so dont use the name. modern copyright law is bullshit, copyright was not meant to be abused by the wealthy so there. suck it.

    • Anonymous

      You’re full of shit, as usual.

      SACEM lied in court that Blackistef’s torrent site was making money from advertisements. When it didn’t even have advertisements. But “it’s irrelevant whether he was making bank on advertising or not” according to you, so that makes SACEM’s perjury okay!

      No, actually it doesn’t make it okay.

      As for the court’s logic, they don’t have any. Saying that using the word “torrent” intentionally encourages illegal activity, and punishing site admins for using it, is nothing less than punishing somebody for comitting thoughtcrime. That’s first of all. Second, it means the courts had also better punish people who have “ftp” in the name of their website. Because as we all know, FTP servers are used for copyright infringement. And let’s not forget IRC! Or Usenet! If somebody has any of these things in their site’s name, that makes them a thoughtcriminal who encourages lawbreaking. They must be executed. Wait, no, the copyright industry can’t make any money from that. Okay, how about they must be fined heavily. Then they can be executed or thrown in jail or something, I mean who really cares what happens to them after they’ve been forced to pay Mr. Recording Industry CEO 99% of their savings, making him 0.0000001% richer?

      Considering that the prosecution’s case consisted of obvious lies(“you make money from ads!”), and the defence’s case consisted of reason – namely that Blackistef was running an index of user-generated content, was not responsible for the content generated by the users, and should be in compliance with the law as long as he complies with takedown requests – yet the court ruled in the prosecution’s favour, it points to a fact that can’t credibly be denied: this was a show trial, the verdict decided before either party even set foot in court.

      It’s not even “justice for the rich”, since what took place can hardly be called justice. It’s more like abusing the poor so that the rich can have slightly more ‘pocket-change’ to light their cigars with. That he lost a second time on appeal despite the trial having been a farce proves his claims that there isn’t any justice. A retrial should’ve been granted instantly at the first mention of SACEM’s false testimony.

      And another thing? Here’s a quote I find real interesting:

      “In respect of meta-search engine Torrent-public-center.com, the Court said that since it searched other sites such as Mininova, The Pirate Bay and isoHunt, this search engine was one dedicated to “unlawful downloading”.”

      You know what else searches other sites such as Mininova, The Pirate Bay, and isoHunt? I’ll give you a hint. Its name starts with ‘Googl’. It ends with an ‘e’. The defense that they sometimes comply with takedown requests won’t work, because clearly neither the courts or the copyright industry even care if you comply with them. My god, they even give you an option to search specifically for torrents. They’re intentionally encouraging illegal activity, and infact, are dedicated to it. With these insane court findings, there’s no letting GOOG off the hook.

      Although if you bother replying to this, I know you’ll just come up with some more bullshit trying to do just that.

    • Anonymous

      That is not how the law works, and until “yeah, he probably did it” becomes a valid judgement, they are just corrupt judges handing out sentences against the will of the people.

      The court’s decision was based on “knowledge of wrongful acts,” which, taken by itself, is already invalid and does not follow the law. The fact that they are just guessing and had no proof shows complete corruption of the legal system.

      Aside from the actual failure of the justice system in this case, DMCA takedown requests exist for a reason. A website operator using crowdsourced information and files should not be liable for everything his/her users post on the site. Not just because it isn’t feasible, but because rightsholders will use it as an excuse to sue for any file that gets through moderation.

      I suggest going to the websites and understanding what they actually do before defending the judgement. :)

  • https://thepiratebay.org/user/manOtor/ manOtor

    If there is on one site a great majority that disagrees with the current copyright laws and on the other site a rich minority that lobbys the politics and judicial powers to enforce ridiculous laws and court sentences, this is simply called fascism!

    This is getting out of hand!

    It is outrages and not in the courts jurisdiction to judge over moral issues. There is a law and that is the guide line for the court to render a judgment.

    The anti piracy outfits and copyright holders obviously panic.
    You only go for it Hammer-style, when you don’t know what else to do anymore…

  • http://nannirk.net/ Marius Krinnan

    So, if LegalTorrents hadn’t changed their name to ClearBits, they would’ve been encouraging illegal distribution of copyrighted works?
    That’s just ridiculous. I don’t understand how they can proceed with a case like this without even having the technical expertise to tell the difference between a paid banner ad, and a forum signature. It’s just ridiculous.

    • Anonymous

      That’s the giant issue…

    • Siegfruiti

      A forum signature can still be a banner ad – linking to the member’s locker or blog.

      FWIW I’m against any and all commercialization of torrents. Sharing is caring. If anyone involved (no matter how tenuously) has a profit motive they can fuck right off.

      This includes megauploaders and them lot complaining that their “rewards” aren’t big enough.

      Still though, the rest of it: what the fuck is this shit?

      • http://nannirk.net/ Marius Krinnan

        Indeed, but I meant it’s not the site owners who get money from that supposed ad.
        Anyway, commercialization of torrents is perfectly ok, as long as it’s legal. If people want to pay for it, let them. But maybe not the way you mean.

        The only pirates in the world of torrents and filesharing in general are the ones who make a profit from it. That’s the definition of a pirate. And those people are disgusting.

  • Foff

    Just like the drug war this war on copyright infringement is going to be a big big fail. This is all about some greedy f t u r d s trying to create an artificial market with artificial scarcity and prices, Creative works are way overvalued.

    • Anonymous

      What do you mean by “Going to Be” it already has been a big failure

      • LaLa

        Agreed. It doesn’t matter how many laws are passed, filesharing just keeps on rolling along. It’s all a pointless waste of time. Take away torrents…who cares…it will be replaced by something else. Every case just makes the judicial system look petty and ignorant.

        Does anyone remembers the Not The Nine O’Clock News sketch about the out-of-touch judge presiding over the case of a thief?

        Counsel: This receipt is for the digital watch…

        Judge: …a digital watch? What on earth is a “digital watch”?

        Counsel: Sorry m’lud. A digital watch is a watch worked by microelectronics.

        Judge: Oh! How fascinating. Proceed.

        Counsel: The next receipt is for an automatic video recorder…

        Judge: …”automatic video recorder”?

        Counsel: Yes, I’m sorry m’lud. It’s a machine that records television programmes on special tape.

        Judge: Oh, how fascinating. What will they think of next? Proceed.

        Counsel: Thank you m’lud. And finally, a receipt for a “deluxe model inflatable woman”, whatever that is.

        Judge: The Deluxe is the one with the real hair…
        —————————————————————————————-
        Every court decision makes me think the level of technical expertise is 40 years behind what everyone is discussing. Frightening.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          In the courts? It is. Remember: these are basically ANCIENT fuddy-duddies who would not be able to survive in the real world when it comes down to it outside of the legal profession.

          They would just kick off in a few weeks, as they were unable to find any other work because they are still living in the 1960′s or earlier!

  • Anonymous

    This is indeed the most sickening article in a while. And true abuse of the judicial system. Does torrentfreak have an IRC channel btw? We could all try to get together and go over some options. We will specially need some Frenchies for the contacts. And do they have a pirateparty there?

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  • https://profiles.google.com/102432457445671616212 antoine

    how is that different from the “trials” in countries like Syria and Iran? They find no wrong doing but instead opt to a more abstract reason that they can manipulate.

    • Anon

      ^Fixed^ – ‘opt to a more SURREAL reason that they can manipulate.’

    • Xult

      in Syria or Iran you have no higher court to appeal to.
      France is part of the European Union which as the power if necessary
      to review this case on appeal.
      Unfortunately the poor fellow is potless and needs funding to help
      with said appeal.
      Otherwise he will more likely be sent back to jail for non payment of fines.
      This whole case is quite absurd.

      And as another person wrote:
      What the Fuck is the French Pirate Party doing?

      Surely they should be doing all they can to support this man.
      Raising funds and insructing the finest legal people.
      if this is not of interest to them then they have lost all credibility.

  • https://profiles.google.com/102432457445671616212 antoine

    how is that different from the “trials” in countries like Syria and Iran? They find no wrong doing but instead opt to a more abstract reason that they can manipulate.

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  • BananaInAJudgesAss

    It’s quite obvious that judges in general are completely disconnected from the reality that the rest of us live in. They should immediately be fumigated out of their ivory towers and then sodomized with retractable batons. I wonder how “sophisticated” and “cultivated” they would look after that. I laugh in their faces. Hahahaha LOL :-D

  • 321

    See, if you ‘rebels’ could just boycott the music industry for a year, they would actually lose money and change their ways.

    How many of you still buy music, even at the rate of 1 album for each 100 you download?
    How many of you are placing yourselves in a position where the MAFIAA could sue you for plenty of money and win?
    How much advertisement are you giving the MAFIAA by downloading music? (You probably talk to your friends about the music you download, perhaps even make them listen to your MP3′s… And maybe your friends end up buying albums).

    And not only this, but every song you download and never pay for still tells artists and publishers that you like what they do. You’re telling them you need them, and that encourages them to keep fighting because they think as long as you need their music they can win.

    It’s like the president boasting he’s waging war on another country: no he’s not, the soldiers on the field are. You guys are just bragging about fighting the MAFIAA while other people are doing the effort of giving up on music completely. You guys need to realize the MAFIAA could be killed quickly if enough people show they are not interested in their music.

    At least if you’re not going to go for a full boycott, then stop claiming you’re fighting the MAFIAA by downloading. You’re just convincing other people that downloading instead of fully boycotting is a valid strategy and this certainly isn’t helping.

    • OMNOMNOM

      Profit is power. The best way to remove one business model is to actively support another.

      There is some awesome stuff being put out by unsigned artists and new independent labels right now. Support people who release reasonably priced DRM free music on a pay as you like or donate later model. They’re doing it right, if we don’t make it worth their while the fat dinosaur wins.

      So keep downloading, but if you don’t contribute at least some of your hard earned cash the side with the most assets will win.

      And I’ll give you a clue – that ain’t us and it sure ain’t the artists who create.

      FUCK PARASITES.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GI5OG23ASPKRT533JFVAEAMZTQ steven

    Can’t you guys figure this out. When a judge disregards all the laws of the court ( and they have the power to do it), somebodies blowing the judge!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen-Sophie/1655650303 Stephen Sophie

    im blackistef…thank you for your comment ;)

  • Zzzzzz

    France, you’re a fucking embarrassment.
    SORT YOUR SHIT OUT.

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    APPEAL COMING! Seriously, this is one of the most stupid rulings to ever come out of the courts anywhere in the world today.

    • Anonymous

      We can sure hope he does an appeal to the European court… and finds a good lawyer.

      Many countries say spotting is lawful and such a search engine is like an automatic spotter engine as in “look what we found on all these sites”. Google is not much different beyond a major expanded range of media.

      I think it is crazy. It is like “We find you guilty but we cannot name anything unlawful about your operation beyond we believe it is evil”

      This also seems to me that if they get successful prosecution against torrent-public-center.com then maybe with this ruling in hand they will go after torrentz.eu

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Your second to last sentence is basically what it amounts to. They cannot find any REAL law to prosecute these people on, so they make up a law in order to penalize these people.

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    APPEAL COMING! Seriously, this is one of the most stupid rulings to ever come out of the courts anywhere in the world today.

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    APPEAL COMING! Seriously, this is one of the most stupid rulings to ever come out of the courts anywhere in the world today.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mathew-Lisett/666201726 Mathew Lisett

    and this is an example showing auhtorities and judges, not having a fucking clue about what they are judging against. lets get somethign straight people , torrents and torrent sites are not illegal, its at times the content within the torrent that can be a break of copyright. but hey if judges like this really want to make a fool of themselves and along with authorities no matter what country, why not go after legally obtained content via torrents such as from ahead aka nero, they deal with torrents to send their software out and they have done for the past 5 years i believe. what they gonna do, sue them becuase they are using the word torrent and using the tech behind it and even giving links to copyrighted software of which they own!!!

    it just seems that all these anti piracy people are actually loosing the battle they claim is out there and are now just making shit up so that hopefully they will have some stupid dumb ass of a judge that doesnt understand whats actually about in the case, and then get the accused fined and likely jailed over content of which they havent even given in evidence?

    hell weve even had legal sites working with p2p technology that have been sued by anti piracy groups just becuase they are linking to content and are coming up on google, yet its legal content these guys are providing.

    very very weird and a very sad state for authority in any manner of speaking towards “piracy”

    • Anonymous

      “and this is an example showing auhtorities and judges, not having a fucking clue about what they are judging against. ”

      No, I think they know exactly what they’re judging against: whatever industry lobbyists pay them to.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mathew-Lisett/666201726 Mathew Lisett

        ok i shall reword it, the judges and the jury should do what they are there to do and thats uphold the law and not make up the law as they go along or be pressured by groups to take certain actions just to keep them quite or look good. it simply sounds currupt

  • Brandon-is-a-spass

    Wow.

    I’m speechless.

    Let’s use the same law to convict all the pedophiles. Whoever uses the word “child pornography” will be subject to fine/sentencing. Doesn’t matter in what relation you are using this in; it is bad intentions!

    Judge in France = A fucking moron.

  • Jon7272

    torrentfreak mmmmmmmm how safe are you guys talking about it wil be a bad word soon heaven help us

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mathew-Lisett/666201726 Mathew Lisett

      well i do believe its TF that have already been caught up in crap just becuase they report on piracy news. and its all down yet again to “linking” and naming i think, they did a post few weeks or could be some months ago now

  • Init

    Serves him right I say. Its about time admins of torrent sites who establish their sites for the sole purpose of piracy and then pretend they didn’t know anything about copyright infringement, are put behind bars. Tough examples need to be set in order to deter people from piracy. Piracy is a crime, whichever way you look at it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mathew-Lisett/666201726 Mathew Lisett

      ok so the way you are stating your point, since you are saying that piracy is piracy no matter what and the book should be thrown at that person.

      are you saying that with all the sites you have been on and the content you have gained which you have not bought, if you are “caught” and taken to court and they give you a mass of fines and a likely jail sentence , your going to be fine with that. even though you were clearerly doing somethign of what you are preaching is wrong.

      you state that their site was there for the sole purpose of piracy and to cuase copyright infringment, erm what torrent site isnt?

      there is still a grey area over the content, which has been proven recently where the anti piracy and the copyright holders themselves have sued the accused becuase the file names where visually their content, but inside the downloaded files it was infact soemthign completely different…how ever even since the content therfore wasnt infringed on the on work they still have chased them for multiple thousands just becuase of the name of the torrent.

      so by that example, if these cases are won, in could result in even forum topics or a picture that has a name of coprighted content yet have nothign to do with them and see the OP’s and the websites and any other site linking to the forum topic getting sued.

      so serves him right? dont be so bloody stupid and idiotic, the guy has been accused of several things, of which none of them are copyright infringement, they have infact been, the use of the word torrent, banner ads to profit from which have been found to be untrue as the “banner ads” were just member sigs and can not bring in any type of money, the fact that they couldnt come up with ANY proof of illegal downloading just makes the whole thing a joke. and it reiterates a reply i did here moments ago, about the fact if this case goes through and wins, then places like TF could be screwed since they do banner ads, they a whole site dedicated to the word torrent and piracy and give links and updates of and about p2p releases.

      so do yourself a favout and shut up and think before spouting brown stuff from your mouth. becuase youve just made yourself look an idiot

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, piracy is a crime whichever way you look at it.

      Except for legally, because it’s a civil offense in most cases and completely legal in others. There’s no circumstance I’m aware of where it’s a crime.

      And except for morally, as it fails to wrong anybody.

      But I agree, tough examples are needed to deter people from piracy. Like when… Hey, wait a minute. Nothing deters people from piracy. Not the Pirate Bay raid, not trials, not threat letters, not life-ruining fines, not jailtime. Zip. Nadda.

      Okay, well, it IS high time admins of torrent sites are put in jail through false testimony and show trials. That’s justice. Oh… Hold on. Fining and/or imprisoning people based on false evidence and preconcluded rulings is actually the opposite of justice.

      Sorry, Init. You’ve got nothing. Next industry apologist please.

    • BarrackOhbama

      I agree with Init completely. Piracy is a crime, a very dangerous crime that needs to be curbed at all costs. We need to mobilize all of our resources fully to make sure boat owners don’t get robbed. Bands of thieves violently seizing property and taking hostages from ships that are just trying to legitimately cruise the seas is a horrible and detestable crime. Fortunately, coast guards of most nations–especially France–already do a fairly good job of combating piracy, so I don’t think it’s really necessary introduce more anti-piracy measures.

      As for copying large blocks of binary code over computer networks, I don’t see what’s particularly criminal or immoral about that. In the (very much not-so-distant) future, human brains will be directly communicating with those computer networks and probably transferring information to and from them. As crazy as that sounds, it’s already reality–used for medical and experimental purposes, and the technology just needs to be refined and economies of scale applied. That’s our future. Information is the future. Should “thinking” about a song be considered piracy? A human brain can easily memorize and reproduce song with quite a bit of accuracy…pattern recognition is a human specialty.

      Are you an MPAA agent or something? Because I don’t see why someone who’s just stupid would come to this particular site to pipe out his/her idiotic views on piracy. Being on this site for a couple minutes would turn any half-intelligent person against the “piracy” paradigm almost immediately, I think. I have a strange feeling you won’t be replying to this post.

      • Init

        There you go. I replied to your stinky post. Now what?

        • UncleFkr

          Maybe, but you’re still a dick.

        • Blah

          That’s not a reply, that’s childish crap, you don’t even answer his post, you’re right to say that you’re a douche, no wonder that no one notices you IRL…

      • Init

        Ok I’m replying now, I’m a jucking jerk I know…. I have no life and that’s why I troll all day long just so I have the feeling that people are paying attention to me, not like in real life where I’m completely invisible and no one notice me or if they do it’s just to laugh at me…

        Fuck, I never realized that I was such a douche….

        • Anonymous

          The first step they say is admitting you have a problem. Congratulations, you just took Step One.

  • Snorkie

    1984 will come unless the sheeple wake up and unite

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  • Zingerberger

    European court of human rights should be his next phonecall. If he’s committed no crime, (and the court hasn’t prosecuted him for committing a crime, it’s prosecuted him for allegedly knowing ‘crimes’ may be taking place, but not provided proof to support even these surreal allegations) then to imprison him is to directly breach his human rights.

  • Epicmealtime

    This is not Smart!!

    -Epicmealtime

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPNob0xWacE

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  • dlj

    “his actions “contributed to the destabilization of the economy of artistic creation” and must therefore be punished.”

    In France no doubt I would be a criminal, seeing how I am always advocating the boicot of the media industry (plus I am always boicoting them myself), and my hope/dream/purpose is precisely the “destabilization of the economy of artistic creation” which we all know that meant that is affecting the copyright industry profits.

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  • Blackbeard

    Own a fast car? You should be given speeding tickets on a regular basis, no need to actually be observed in the act…we all know you use that car to break the law, and with its flashy paint job and sleek lines, it promotes the idea of lawlessness to others.

    Hey, lets just cut to the chase even more…do you belong to an ethnic minority that is regarded by the “moral majority” as committing more than its share of crime? We should just round all of you up and stick you in prison, maybe even hang some of you from a tree for things like dating outside of your race…this is not bigotry nor racism, it is just good crime prevention practice, and it will discourage others of your race and color from breaking the law, which “we” all know you folks will do.

    Seriously, how in the hell can this even happen? What the hell happened to the concept of due process, presentation of evidence, burden of proof, etc, etc???

    Frenchies, don’t even bother criticizing the US…you haven’t got a leg to stand on, brothers:

    “Despite no evidence being presented that money was made from the sites through advertising as claimed – or even that any infringements had occurred – the admin now faces a $29,000 payout. Bizarrely, the Court decided that having the word ‘torrent’ in his sites’ URLs showed that he knew about infringements.”

    Wow. Epic fail, and I hate the term epic fail, but if it ever applied, this is it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Prodeous Grzegorz Wereszko

    Well the French are really going nuts. They are also not permitting media to mention Facebook or Twitter. Only allowed if there is a specific story related to these to elements. But a news site can’t say, “you can check us out on Facebook or Twitter” that is now illegal. :)

    Still, the next step is for police to arrest all people with Cell Phones. Since some use them to plan attacks, murders, robberies. So I guess we all use them for that.

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  • Fake

    The recording industry is based on violating Edison’s patents. If those patents had been enforced then the recording industry as it stands today would not exist. What is the fine compounded for 100 years?

    Governments should be more worried about the colossal damage done to the economy by the banks. Some kids copying movies are not going to start World War 3 but the side effects of the banks might.

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