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Tribler Makes BitTorrent Impossible to Shut Down

While the file-sharing ecosystem is currently filled with uncertainty and doubt, researchers at Delft University of Technology continue to work on their decentralized BitTorrent network. Their Tribler client doesn’t require torrent sites to find or download content, as it is based on pure peer-to-peer communication. “The only way to take it down is to take the Internet down,” the lead researcher says.

The Tribler BitTorrent client is no newcomer to the BitTorrent scene. It has been in development for more than 5 years and has delivered many innovative features, which have mostly been ignored by the masses.

Today, however, Tribler is more relevant than ever before.

Developed by a team of researchers at Delft University of Technology, the main goal is to come up with a robust implementation of BitTorrent that doesn’t rely on central servers. Instead, Tribler is designed to keep BitTorrent alive, even when all torrent search engines, indexes and trackers are pulled offline.

“Our key scientific quest is facilitating unbounded information sharing,” Tribler leader Dr. Pouwelse tells TorrentFreak.

“We simply don’t like unreliable servers. With Tribler we have achieved zero-seconds downtime over the past six years, all because we don’t rely on shaky foundations such as DNS, web servers or search portals.”

So how does it work?

Like many other BitTorrent clients, Tribler has a search box at the top of the application. However, the search results that appear when users type in a keyword don’t come from a central index. Instead, they come directly from other peers.


Tribler’s decentralized search results

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Downloading a torrent is also totally decentralized. When a user clicks on one of the search results, the meta-data is pulled in from another peer and the download starts immediately. Tribler is based on the standard BitTorrent protocol and uses regular BitTorrent trackers to communicate with other peers. But, it can also continue downloading when a central tracker goes down.

The same is true for spam control. Where most torrent sites have a team of moderators to delete viruses, malware and fake files, Tribler uses crowd-sourcing to keep the network clean. Content is verified by user generated “channels”, which can be “liked” by others. When more people like a channel, the associated torrents get a boost in the search results.

The latest addition to Tribler is a Wikipedia-style editing system dubbed “Open2Edit,” where users have the option to edit names and descriptions of torrents in public channels. All without a central server, totally decentralized.


open2Edit

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According to Dr. Pouwelse, Tribler is fully capable of resisting any pressure from outside, and it will still work when all torrent sites and trackers are gone. It simply can’t be shutdown, blocked or censored, whatever laws politicians may come up with.

“The only way to take it down is to take The Internet down.” Pouwelse told us.

One thing that could theoretically cause issues, is the capability for starting users to find new peers. To be on the safe side the Tribler team is still looking for people who want to act as so called bootstraptribler peers. These users will act as superpeers, who distribute lists of active downloaders.

“Together with software bugs and a code cleanup, that is now our last known weakness,” says Pouwelse.

While the Tribler client only has a few thousand users at the moment, for avid file-sharers it must be a relief to know that it’s out there. No matter what crazy laws may pass in the future, people will always be able to share.

Those who want to give it a spin are welcome download Tribler here. It’s completely Open Source and with a version for Windows, Mac and Linux.

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  • http://www.blockaid.me/ BlockAid DNS

    A very clever idea, although I’m guessing that its not going to be anywhere near as fast as adding a .torrent file/magnet link.

    • James

      true, but i’m giving it a go! Also, BlockAid DNS rocks! :D

    • /b/loody flies

      it will be when this is the default bt go-to for most of the worlds population………..

    • Guest

      I am using it in Ubuntu and it rocks.

      PS: update BlockAid for firstrow ;)

      • http://www.blockaid.me/ BlockAid DNS

        We have updated it for frontrowsports.tv but they haven’t properly configured it on their end. I will get someone to send them another email now.

        • Me

          And while your at it get them to change to bloody .CH domain before .EU get ‘seized’ :-)

          Great work BlockAid BTW.

        • Grnbrt

          Is frontrowsports.tv back up again?

      • Rj

        The Windows version seems to run just fine using Wine with Fedora 14.

    • Niels Zeilemaker

      Tribler still continues to support .torrent and magnet links. Just copy/paste the link in the searchbox and the download will start.

    • http://twitter.com/milsorgen dRu

      “A very clever idea”

      Yes it is, unfortunately bandwidth caps and metering will put a stop to this and any other form of program wizardry.

      • Guest

        yeah, killing the internet will stop it.

        • limme

          and this

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Some people are getting tired of the metering BS and are pushing back against it. I personally threatened to have everyone I know (a good 200 people) stop using Comcast if they ever bugged me again about my bandwidth usage.

        Wonder of wonders, I use about 500gigs a month and don’t get no phone calls anymore.

        • Fake

          People should consider seizing utility services via Eminent Domain and turning them into co-ops.

          Companies should be able to own web sites but not the wires/fiber that everyone needs to use.

          The laws in the US actually require open access to wire services because they were run on public land with tax subsidies. Unfortunately, the law didn’t specify all means so companies put in fiber trunks and then refused to share access because fiber is not wire. It’s time to take it all away from them.

          The net is the railroad and roads of the next century. You can get gigabit fiber to the house in other countries but the US is being crippled by the copyright cartel. They are a threat to national security and must be eliminated.

        • Fake

          >2 copyright notices
          > use 300 – 500 gb every month for over a year
          notasinglefuckwasgiven.jpg

      • Anonymous

        The bandwidth caps are a direct result of the ISP’s parent companies owning cable and broadcast interests. It is their number one method of killing Netflix and their streaming content cousins. The rights-holders do not wish to compete, they only wish their coffers remain overflowing with our monies.

        • pitch pine

           don’t u have laws against that sort of thing?

      • http://www.blockaid.me/ BlockAid DNS

        Thats the same as normal bittorrent. I doubt much bandwidth is used in either direction when you search another peer.

      • MrBones

        Get business internet (I got it). No caps or metering (in the US) for my provider. I pay more but I don’t worry about going over

        • Beyondnotion

          Yeah I do the same, but im starting to regret the contract with an early termination fee of 1500 bucks.

          My fault for not reading the fine print.

      • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

        Sure. However, as an über-nerd, when I (truthfully) warn people not to use a specific provider because that provider doesn’t prioritize delivering good service to their customers, those people don’t use that provider. “Program wizardry” isn’t limited to programming. When they’re faced with making a computer related decision, most people turn to a computer/programming “wizard” they know.

        Word of mouth, the peer-to-peer recommendation “technology”, with a continuous up-time since the stone age! It adds up to this, paraphrasing Lincoln: You can screw some of your customers all of the time, or you can screw all of your customers some of the time, but you can’t screw all of your customers all of the time.

    • Martienne

      I tried it, it was awesome!

    • LAVENDER

      Maybe there is some hope

      “The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.”

      :-)

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    • hmm

      Think of it as an emergency supply.

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    • Oklko

      I have a huge dick

    • Sid

      I think i would rather loose a little bit of speed (if you do loose any at all), and protected then to download a little faster and be at risk of being singled out

  • Tribler

    What are the likelyhood of getting a letter in the mail from MPAA demanding a pay-up-or-else when using this service?

    • JoJo

      A service is when you pay to use something. Clearly this is not a service of anything.

      • oJoJ

        You, sir, are wrong. A service is merely when something is provided – something is ‘served’. Much like self-service is still a service yet you don’t pay for it. Free-to-air TV like Freeview is a TV service just as much as paid-for TV like Sky or Cable is a TV service. The remuneration is irrelevant.

        • ohoh

          Sorry, you’re wrong. Self-serve is called opportunity cost, you may save cash but you spend time and time is more valuable than cash. There are no free lunches.

        • Stantastik

          That is a very general statement. You can’t say that time is more valuable than money. How much money? Who’s time? My time may not be worth as much to me as your time is to you.

      • Ursaring93

        You right this isn’t a service, but not for the reason you cited. According to Dictionary.com a is “an act of helpful activity; help; aid” and/or “the supplying or a supplier of public communication and transportation”. Clearly Tribler is not, although helpful, an activity and any and communications received or broadcast is done solely by it users and is not part of the software for same reason this page isn’t part of you browser.

      • Heh

        It’s not about service, cost, whatever. They can cap you just for uploading copyrighted material. It happened on numerous occasions.

    • Bil7

      same thing with regular Bitorrent idiot. there is no difference

      • ohoh

        How to win friends and influence trends. Is this your legacy?

        • It’s a fit-up

          Does this look like facebook?

      • harry krishna

        i’m more of an irregular bitorrent idiot, but it is a good usrid

    • B6704729

      Great job, Jojo & Bil7. He is asking a completely legitimate question and you resort to name calling and a know-it-all-answer completely unrelated to the question.

    • Anonymous

      I’m wondering this as well. Can someone tell us?

    • Guest

      that’s what I would worry about too. Seems like with tribler not only the downloader but the uploader is tracked directly and that’s really who the industry wants to nail. That’s the part they don’t have full access too without the site’s records which they need a warrant to get.

      • Heh

        Patriot Act makes it much easer for them now. It’s not limited to terrorism.

    • Ryzzo

      I’m no expert here, but I don’t think it would be much different than regular bittorrent except that there is no central tracker to start from. Essentially, the MAFIAA would have to connect to a swarm and monitor the IP addresses of the peers. They could also potentially serve up the torrent and track who downloads it although that is essentially entrapment.

      Since the MAFIAA has shied away from going after individual downloaders (pay up or else schemes are becoming toxic everywhere but Germany) by removing the centralized trackers, it takes away one of their main vectors of attack. If you combine this service with something that makes your IP address anonymous there is little to no chance that you would have anything to worry about and you would never have to fear your content being removed from the source. Hope that helps, and those more technically inclined please chime in with any corrections.

      • IDIOCRACY

        “They could also potentially serve up the torrent”

        And because they have the copyright, it’s a legal download anywhere on the world because they are permitted to upload it. (and not only in countries where a download is legal by default like Netherlands). hehe

        • Heh

          They don’t have to upload anything to obtain data of active users. So, legal wouldn’t apply here.
          You missed vital part (lack of logic, ignorance…), they can monitor IP addresses.

      • Todonnal

        “They could also potentially serve up the torrent and track who downloads it although that is essentially entrapment.”

        This is a common mistake people make when talking about this. “Entrapment” only applies to government and law enforcement. Private copyright owners can legally do this to determine who is infringing on their copyright. It’s a public network, public forum, and they have just as much right to use it as anybody else. If, in their use of the network, they find a bunch of IP addresses sharing their copyrighted content, they have every right to gather the evidence and take action to defend that copyright. In fact, if they DON’T defend it, they are in danger of losing it. The courts view a copyright that’s not defended as a copyright that’s been abandoned.

        • Nop

          Incorrect. You’re thinking of trademarks, not copyright. There is no such obligation under copyright law.

        • ForensicsGuru

          You keep thinking that…

        • ForensicsGuru

          That was meant for Nop.. I’m not sure where you got that idea Nop, but you’re wrong.

  • Guest

    Does it also support some form of TOR-like encryption/anonymity? Or is it still possible for copyright trolls to setup Tribler clients and sniff IPs?

    • http://tuxie.wordpress.com Per Wigren

      No. Yes, unless you use anonymous VPN.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001432014105 Mike Harrison

        And you really think your safe using an anonymous VPN? Even the Elite torrent uploader mentioned he used those services and he still got nailed big time.

        If you go online, you have zero anonymity.

        • Guest

          Depends on the VPN you use.

        • Bluecrew1

          ok then can you please tell me why anonymous is still on a hacking spree? or what about lulzsec, why have they not been caught?

        • Anonymous

          Bluecrew: because anon only pissed off the feds, not the big guns like copyright holders.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001432014105 Mike Harrison

          Guest, You really honestly believe those company’s that claim they do not keep logs, do not keep logs? Hell Google used to claim that search results went away after a few short weeks, yet then it was found out that those search results are kept for far longer(6 months minimum) than a few short weeks. Then it turns out, ALL SEARCH ENGINES keep a record of searches for months to years.

          Its now been found out that Facebook has kept photo’s that were deleted YEARS AGO on their servers, even though they claimed that they had no records of deleted photo’s still existing on their networks, yet someone showed proof just this week, and remember, Facebook claimed they fixed that issue in 2008, and here it is 2012 and that “issue” still isn’t fixed. So again, another lie by a company that claims they keep no records(which given its FB, no privacy should be expected)

          Twitter keeps the tweets you send(along with whatever IP you are logged in from as well). They claim that when a tweet is deleted it goes away, yet a group showed exactly how to recover deleted tweets that there is no record off according to Twitter.

          Cell phones also keep track of everything you view as well. Face it, no matter how hard you try, there is no such thing as anonymity on the internet, whatever device you use to access the internet, you leave a trace behind, proxy or not, that information is stored somewhere, regardless of what those companies claim. And remember this, that company that claims they keep no logs, is assigned IP numbers(you know those pesky numbers set to a internet capable device), and if a court ordered a company to hand over the information that I have an account with them, they will hand that info over, and then the IP’s will be compared to my geographic location, and they will easily be able to prove that it was someone in my household that used that service to block my IP through that company(which will have my name and account payment information which they never will delete as long as I have an account for billing purposes).

          There is zero anonymity on the internet, there is zero 100% safe ways to torrent software as the system is set up now. But this program may make torrenting easier though, but as long as a bit torrent program allows a peers list to be viewable, it is easily usable as an IP harvester, which is why in other TF articles, they took great pride in showing how anti units have been downloading illegal files, you really think those places didn’t know that their IP’s were being used for it? I would put money on the fact those anti’s were simply harvesting IP’s from sites in order to gather even more IP’s to send off to courts to get information from the ISP’s in order to mass sue people.

          Bluecrew, some have been caught, but the others they may be playing a cat and mouse game with while gathering more information on them. Remember, Megaupload was brought down from within, because they managed to flip someone high up int he chain at that company, who supplied them with shitloads of incriminating evidence that was used to bring them down. Anonymous may or may not be already infiltrated like Megaupload was(remember, the anti’s used emails and shit going back 5 years, so they had a rat in place 5 years ago at the minimum)

        • Anonymous

          Yea, but I doubt he got nailed by someone cracking his VPN.

        • ohoh

          bluecrew: because anon sets it up to click on a link accidentally? and spam the attack sites like Universal, et. al. A unified attack means hundreds of thousands if not millions of site requests simultaneously for as long as the attack is timed to continue or the package is delivered. No one person is to blame, they can’t get us all and they know it so they look for the designers who are long gone at that point, similar to guest comments through a random vpn or proxy.

        • OMGWTFBBQ

          @Mike there have been many topics about this here. There are true anonymous VPN’s.

        • Remccainjr

          But… I’m behind 7 proxies!

        • Chuck

          Hijacked WiFi = Anonymous. Boom-bam, problem solved.

        • Heh

          “Yea, but I doubt he got nailed by someone cracking his VPN. ”

          Because there was easier way. Once it comes down to VPN, it will be no difference.

        • Heh

          “Hijacked WiFi = Anonymous. Boom-bam, problem solved. ”

          Really? You think you’re first to come up with this? People are getting caught whether they use wifi or anything else.

          You think you can get on someone’s else network you’re safe? There are a lot of things you have to know to go that route to have a minimum scurity. You thing average user knows it?

      • http://techfleece.com/ Richard Gailey

        Agreed, using a VPN is pretty much standard these days for using P2P as it can help to hide your activities. There are some very good ones out there at the moment, and at a decent price.
        The ones I have tested don’t keep logs, and don’t have any noticeable effect on speed, which is something that you will get when using a free one.

        Going to test out Tribler now…..

        • Stephen Schaal

          The website is down, probably not used to this much traffic. But I just got v5.5.8 here -> http://tribler.en.softonic.com/

        • Anon

          Why don’t they just move the bit torrent sites to Tor?
          Oh yeah, most people are too fucking stupid to figure that stuff out.

        • Loller

          @Anon:

          Because that’s not what Tor is for, genius.

          To use your own terminology: are you that ‘fucking stupid’?

        • Cryer

          Another douchebag who knows nothing of Tor.

        • Vfeezsgbdtsghte

          Loller, yes, TOR hidden services are made for that.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Your ip is still public.

      I thought of a suggestion to help the ecosystem and make bittorrent users virtually immune to lawsuits. It would work like those projects where you lend your idle processing power and process small chunks of data of a bigger project (ie: testing of possible chemicals for a drug that cures liver cancer). For instance: I have free upstream that I wish to share with the ecosystem. The environment itself, based on peer interactions, would identify the torrents in need of seeding and the client would download the file storing it in a temporary folder (and following disk quotas obviously) in a manner the user wouldn’t know the contents and then it’d keep seeding till the torrent was healthy again.

      This system is pure win and if MAFIAA comes with a lawsuit you can say you were just acting as a bittorrent ecosystem helper and didn’t know what the client chose to help. Plain epic win.

      • http://id.lachy.id.au/ Lachlan Hunt

        You just described some of the fundamental aspects of TOR and Freenet.

        • Guest

          Don’t forget about I2P.

      • Aab
      • Adsfdsafsdf

        Except what if part of that is child pornography…. No thanks.

        • Rickjamesbitch

          I am not willing to shut down the entire Internet just to deny child pornographers a way to trade files. What if Kodak had refused to make film “because child pornographers”? Come one, don’t be an idiot.

        • Anonymous

          Child pornographers can put their images on a flash drive and mail them to one another; shall we outlaw flash drives and/or mandate that the Post Office open every package and read every flash drive they find? It would be a great way to make sure nobody uses the mail for anything hinky as long as you don’t mind the huge added cost to the taxpayers & loss of our Constitutional rights.

        • pitch pine

          exactly!

      • Dickington

        Well, you know that in the same way you can claim you dind’t know what people where sending some sites claim they don’t know what people upload there. Laws can find a way around that.

        • Anonymous

          That’s a very rightening thought, yes. To begin with, without that assumption, neither the mail service nor private banking could exist. In fact, much of global finance would by default become illegal at once.

          That protection is there for a very good reason. If you are held liable for distributing a package or information you did not know the contents or effects of, a lot of society would simply cease to be.

      • Jarjar

        I’m not sure just “wouldn’t know the contents” protects you much.

        • Bill Lambert

          Only in the U.S. can you be sued for having your public assets used unknowingly to commit a civil infraction.

          Let’s outlaw tiny dessert spoons because some of us like to use them for cocaine. Oh noes, but how are we going to eat from those stupid little dessert cups without spoons ?

          The Internet, and by extension BitTorrent, are shared resources, just like my shovel and spoons. Are you eating dessert ? Here, borrow my spoon. Do you need to download a large file ? Here’s some spare bandwidth to speed it up.

          If the MAFIAA wants to identify the persons responsible for piracy, they need but look in the mirror. We are living in an information age, we want the content, not the medium. The MAFIAA insists on protecting the obsolete medium. They artificially limit availability on a non-tangible good. Any economist can tell you that is an untenable position. If I have a choice between traveling to a retail store, to buy an overpriced disc and give money to a whole pyramid of supply-chain middlemen who contribute nothing to my enjoyment, or the alternative option of taking 30 seconds to find that same content online, the decision is obvious: download! If the MAFIAA can satisfy my wants in that 30 second window, they might have a chance of getting my money. The amount I’ve spent on iTunes, Amazon and Steam is all the proof they need. These services give me what I want, where I want, when I want it. It’s not rocket science, the internet is right here: use it!

      • Anonymous

        “Your ip is still public.”

        Doesn’t have to be though…there are versions of p2p clients out there which use public ip only for the purposes of identifying the swarm. Every request and transmit option takes place after the swarm has generated an internal onion routing-style encryption web. Making it impossible to know who actually in the end requested or transmitted information to you.

        RShare/Stealthnet uses this approach. I’m surprised current p2p clients aren’t already including this option.

        • http://tuxie.wordpress.com Per Wigren

          Because anonymous P2P generally turns your shiny 100 Mbit connection into a ISDN equivalent.

      • ThatGuy

        And why can’t clients be set up to shield one end of the bitstream from the other? That is, can’t the original “source” of a some packet of info be dropped on its way to the “receiver”? So, by the time a packet makes it through 10-20 clients back to the requestor, the source info is no longer attached?

        So, maybe only the computer immediately connected to the source, or 1-2 hops away knows the source. Once it hopes once or twice, the original sender gets deleted and a new IP address gets appended (since it made a new hop and was re-sent from a subsequent IP address that was not itself the originator)?

        I mean it seems like there’s got to be some way of masking the originator of a packet in the process of transmission and still getting all the right bits and pieces “out there”?

        But I do like he idea of perhaps breaking up files into bits and pieces and treating the entire network like a “cloud storage” device. Kind of like a giant RAID configuration, without any one file stored on any one computer, per se. Maybe “this 100kb gets seeded over here, this 100kb gets seeded over there, etc.” And the bits and pieces get shuffled around occasionally with the network somehow “knowing” where various copies of each “bit” is but no one computer holding the entire file. And no end-user knowing knowing what “bits” their cache is currently holding. Thus no bias for/against a specific chunk of 1′s and 0′s in your cache and no liability in your part for their storage. You have no way of knowing whether a given chunk of 1′s and 0′s is for an Alanis Morrisette song or for a text file of a Shakespeare play or a text file with nothing but 1′s and 0′s in it that some prankster uploaded to the cloud.

        Would the “RAID” approach work? A user uploads a file into the cloud and the cloud takes it and spreads it in chunks across the cloud with massive parallelism/redundancy so there are always seeded copies of chunks of various files available?

        Not sure how intensive this kind of approach would be or how the system would know which chunks of what files are stored where or how to track down the 99th part of 100 to reassemble the entire original file. But, then, I’m just not familiar with the inner workings of BitTorrent, so will leave that up to the developers.

        Seems like under this system there would be nobody to hold accountable unless there was some way of knowing who seeded the original file to the cloud. Since after it was seeded the file would be split up and nobody would actually know what files were being held on their computer. So, if anyone were to be held accountable they’d have to pretty much hold the entire network accountable, regardless of whether a given peer ever actually infringed on a right or not.

        Maybe I’m wrong? If so, I’m sure someone will say so…

        Would it be possible to in some way encrypt the upload so that nobody could know the originator at the point where it’s finally decrypted and split up into the cloud? I’m thinking the original machine finds several different routes to the same machine some X number of hops away, with unique IPs in between. It sends the encrypted file via one set of hops, and the encryption key via another set of hops. Somewhere in the middle, the peers see it’s a new seed and strip the originator information off of it, so that the decryptor/slicer/seeder machine has no idea where the encrypted file or the encryption key originated and is basically anonymous. The decrypter then decrypts it, splits it up, and seeds the split up pieces into the cloud (does it need to re-encrypt the pieces before sending them out into the cloud, just to make sure that intermediate machines don’t know what it’s encoding)?

        Just trying to figure out if there’s a way of making seeding kind of a “blind” activity? So, receivers don’t know where things originated, and nobody knows what they’re hosting. That is only the cloud knows where things are hosted and what chunks of info equate with what “files” people are searching for?

        Would that kind of a system be feasible?

        • ThatGuy

          While we’re at it, perhaps there would be some sub-cache on intermediate machines whereby the “bits” that were transmitted to the receiver get temporarily stored in the transmitter’s cache (maybe some “oldest bit” then gets kicked out to make room for the new one). Just thinking this might be a way to make sure that machines local to oneself (within a few hops) still have copies of files that were transmitted to you, in case one was corrupted and needs to be re-sent? Does that make sense? So, maybe if you get part 52/100 via transmitters a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h, each of those would be temporarily seeded with that “bit” of information and if others in their network pinged for that particular “bit” they could “discover” it. One would hope that there would be anti-corruption checks” along the trip whereby a bit is transmitted and then checked for integrity before being passed along to he next transmitter, which then authenticates with the previous transmitter before caching and sending. So, hopefully transmission errors or corrupted bits are kept to a minimum? Just thinking out loud…

        • ThatGuy

          Seems like it would need separate “threads” or “streams” for treating differently tagged “bits,” well, differently. Like things tagged as being “files to decrypt” might be treated one way, whereas files tagged as “seedy bits” (parts of files) might be treated another way. So the system knows what do do with them, whether to remove sender info and/or when to remove it, what to replace it with, etc.

    • ohoh

      I’m not sure but it seems a bit offputting. As of now, the uploader is masked by the sheer volume of other uploaders so the exact even would be extremely, if not impossible to track but this would be direct and literal so if they got the code or broke it they could easily pin responsibility where they know they need to lay it in the courts. I’m not going to trust it… ahem… if I ever DID try to use that thing…what’s it called? oh, yeah, that bt thingy.

    • Forensics guru

      VPNs and Encryption only protect the data as it’s flowing over the wire. Once it gets to the endpoint, it’s decrypted so it can be used. If the MPAA or RIAA use this software to get on the network and see who’s sharing their copyrighted material, they will just appear to be another peer on the network. The data will be decrypted at their end node just like it is for every other end node. It won’t hide criminal activity. The point to Triblr isn’t to make it possible to infringe on copyright with impunity, it’s intent is to make it impossible for government to shut down the ability to share whatever it is you’re sharing. You’re still open to the world. Don’t break the law and you’ll be fine. ;)

      • Asdfasdf

        You are wrong. If MPAA or RIAA get on the network, they can only get IP address of the VPN provider. And if this VPN provider doesn’t keep logs, they are screwed. They can only sue VPN provider, not you (but in many jurisdictions ISPs or VPN providers aren’t required to keep logs, so they are screwed again).

      • Anonymous

        Enter onion routing, AES encryption and randomized TTL’s ftw.

        And suddenly you aren’t “open to the world” anymore.

        Yes, “anonymity” can be considered relative but it is frighteningly easy to escalate the resources needed to investigate who you are and what you were doing to the point where it just isn’t feasible to track and trace any single user without exceeding the limit of what could be considered reasonable overhead.

        This is why Chinese dissidents by and large are safe online – even with a budget on internal IT security exceeding the GNP of many smaller nations, China doesn’t have a chance of getting to them online.

        From a more practical perspective, I’d like to see the public reaction in any nation when it became known that the FBI, say, had to spend ten times as much resources in order to catch people making copies of information than they would in catching murderers and terrorists attempting to blow people up.

        • Really

          I’d like to see the public reaction in any nation when it became known that the FBI, say, had to spend ten times as much resources in order to catch people making copies

          It doesn’t have to be FBI. Nobody said anything about FBI. Where do you get your stuff from? MAFIAA has their own resources.

          making copies of information
          You mean movies, games, music? You can call it whatever you want. It’s not relevant. It’s product to everyone else.

        • http://twitter.com/Nighthalk_ moi

          agree those crazy MPAA ppl only exist in a handful of countries in the rest of the planet filesharing is considered a healthy practice .. they’re just making to much noise thoe bc of the media.. p2p is thriving and simple fact IS that users are increasing with the rising internet penetration and standard of living .. those idiots are wasting their billions as usual on nonsense

      • Guest

        You need encryption to ensure that your own ISP can not read your data. You need VPN to ensure that your IP address remains hidden. One VPN might not be secure enough, since even without logs they could analyze packet correlation between your ISP and theirs — or the VPN could be compromised directly. However, once you route your data through some 5 random VPNs in sequence — this is what happens on the TOR network — it becomes virtually impossible to trace you. I would not say absolutely impossible, but it will be very, very difficult and definitely infeasible for anyone but the most powerful organizations. You’ll be safe from copyright trolls.

        Oh, and I’m not breaking the law (in my country, at least). I just have a professional interest in computer security.

  • Provenzano

    Three cheers for those Dutchmen!

    Anchor up!

    Ahoy and sail away!

    Aye, aye, captain!

  • James

    Bit of a pain to use. Maybe just take time to get used to.

    • http://techfleece.com/ Richard Gailey

      The GUI will improve the more people start to use it and get involved with it’s development.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        I can live with junk code if it means devs are hardcore coding and making awesome additions. Unlike utorrent that dropped the micro for unwanted junk.

        • http://techfleece.com/ Richard Gailey

          Agreed. I haven’t got an issue with the size of it, just pointing it out to people.

          It’s actually really simple to use. Currently downloading an Ubuntu ISO. 80 connections @165KB/s. Approx an hour I guess.

      • Niels Zeilemaker

        A big chunk of the 40MB windows installer is our embedded vlc player (used in our embedded player for streaming). In theory we should support any vlc higher than 1.0, thus we could create a separate version without vlc reducing the size significantly.

        • http://techfleece.com/ Richard Gailey

          Ah, I noticed in settings>Misc that you are given the option of using the internal media player. Nice touch for those that use players that don’t have the reach of VLC, to include it.

          Cheers.

        • Anonymous

          Although i use VLC myself…isn’t it rather redundant to include it? better to just make the p2p client and then leave it to the user to select his own choice of playback…

          Not that space is a bother but it offends my aesthetics to have two versions of one and the same program installed which have to be upgraded separately.

        • Izkata

          Having VLC as a requirement on the linux version is a bit of a WTF – I use mplayer for all my video needs.

        • FreeTard

          For the record, it does not support Linux. It supports some versions of Ubuntu. Ubuntu, especially post Unity, is not Linux. It is one Linux distribution…

      • Coma

        It’s big because it contains a lot of libraries, including VLC.

      • Mephitus

        its written in python (with a few .bat files in the mix)… when (if?) they use a ‘real’ language (C or C++) the download will be smaller…

        good concept… bad method of implementing it…

  • Johnny

    But what about me? I’m an artisit and you should pay for my work.

    • James

      Only if I want it.

      • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

        horror !!! : )

        • Nhaskins

          THAT is funny

      • Heh

        Not until you do something yourself. It will instantly take you to the other side of the barricade.

    • NewBusinessModelRequired

      Point me to where I can view or listen to full versions of your work for free and if I like it I will purchase it and support you. Just like I did with https://buy.louisck.net/

      • hojo

        I loved it, and I felt good watching it. I’m ready for him to make another.

      • Heh

        Go to work and tell boss you gonna work for a few weeks for free. Then, if he likes you he’s gonna pay you.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/YUSAO5BPBGYULPBRPLR7I6CUKA George

          How many unpaid interns do we already have in this country?

        • Your mom and me

          How many unpaid interns do we already have in this country?

          I don’t know, do you?

          Stupid argument to justifiy theft. Interns agree to work to get experience. So you gonna work for free because there are interns in the country?

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          You mock, but that’s been a fairly common practice for people looking for jobs to sweeten the deal. I’ve done it myself upon moving to a new city.

    • Jane

      A copy of a file is not work.

      • Heh

        It is a result of work. It didn’t appear magically out of nowhere. Do something yourself, make living from it, try to suppport your family. You’ll see if it’s not work.

    • Guest

      Every person is a non paid artist but if your work is good and well known you will make money; of course this doesn’t necessarily mean you can make a living from it. If you can’t, go find a job that you don’t enjoy just like everybody else.

      • Heh

        It doesn’t mean you can take anything you want for free. Why don’t you do to work and wait till your boss pay you if he feels like.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          nobody’s taking anything. the original file remains untouched. all we do is make a duplicate of it for personal use.

    • Bob

      If your shit doesnt suck, you will get paid. The hive rewards quality most of the time.

      • Heh

        If, one day, you do something good and make money out of it, you still gonna chase those who took it from you for free.

    • Loller

      I should? What if you’re shit? If you’re not, don’t worry; you’ll get paid – although real ‘artists’ never worry about the money. They do it out of passion.

      • oli4k

        That’s what your boss tells you when your paycheck is late again?

        • Nevdka

          If you do shitty work, you get fired. So, no paycheck. If you’re good, then you keep your job and get paid. Why should musicians get it any easier than the rest of us?

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          I love my job enough that I’d do it for free. I’m sorry that you hate your job enough that the paycheque is the only reward. Maybe you should pursue what you enjoy.

          I know I’d hate my job if it involved trolling internet forums as a corporate pawn.

      • Tom

        Wow.. just wow…

      • Heh

        If you do shitty work, you get fired. So, no paycheck. If you’re good, then you keep your job and get paid. Why should musicians get it any easier than the rest of us?

        Justification of stealing, typical to teenagers who try to validate their action instead of what’s right.
        If you get fired you still gonna bitch and cry if you dont get paid for the period you worked there.
        It’s not always the case good workers get paid. There are cases where bosses expolit their workers, regardless they’re good or not.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          Nobody is stealing anything. Your argument is flawed. Copyright violation is not theft, per the supreme court back in the 60s. Nothing has changed since then.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          And stop liking your own posts. you look like a tool.

    • charming

      move to banking the returns much better

    • Tom

      Apparently this community doesn’t reward hard work so you are pretty much screwed.

      • Guest

        Once again, Tom comes out swinging with some shit he just made up. The world stands in awe.

        • Your mom and me

          Awe to your incoherent twaddle.

      • Anonymous

        This community rewards “good” work. If what you want rewarded is merely “hard” work, you’ll find that in the classifieds under “hourly rates”.

      • goo

        Oh please. People still buy media despite the availability of digital content. Musicians, actors, and authors who were making nice money before piracy hit the ground rolling are STILL making nice money. And so are the executives, produces, directors, etc. People still go to movies. People still buy CDs, DVDs, and mp3s.

        If someone is producing garbage, no they won’t get paid, because people no longer have to buy media before determining that it’s crap and not worth buying.

        • Tom

          Thing is it’s extremely easy to say “This is good but not good enough to warrant my money” when you can get exactly the same thing for free.

          In the end out of those 2000+ games/movies you “sampled” you will convince yourself that only 2 of those are worth paying for and you probably still wouldn’t pay for them.

        • Tom

          What the hell is nice money anyways? For example the money made from a game can be used to pay the work of over 1000 people. On paper the game might have made a lot but that money has to be distributed.

          Yes people still go to the movies, buy game etc. Lucky that they do. If everyone was a pirate the digital industry would collapse. So you really should thank those people that are helping you freeload while you carry on an activity that only benefits you and contributes nothing of value.

        • Guest

          @Tom
          “If everyone was a pirate the digital industry would collapse.”

          If everyone was a pirate, the digital industry would be even richer than it already is. Here, have a nice big bowl of copypasta:


          Study finds pirates 10 times more likely to buy music:
          http://www.guardian.co.uk/musi

          Another study finds pirates buy more music, spend £30 more per year on it than non-pirates:
          http://paidcontent.co.uk/artic

          Swiss Government Study Finds Internet Downloads Increase Sales, pirates spend more money on music, television, and video games than non-pirates do:
          http://www.forbes.com/sites/er

          Movie industry buries report proving pirates are great consumers:
          http://www.geek.com/articles/g

          Anime piracy and streaming found to increase DVD sales in Japan
          http://www.geek.com/articles/n

          Credit to Dex for compiling the links.

          Sorry for debunking your bullshit :(

        • Your mom and me

          @Guest
          Funny that people who get things for free argue that it magically gives more money to others.

        • Peter

          Anime piracy and streaming found to increase DVD sales in Japan
          http://www.geek.com/articles/n

          Tell me about it, I download all the latest Anime for my daughter and when she travels to Japan or China each year on holiday she comes back with the whole original DVD collections plus merchandise, games, dolls and whatever else. I am not the slightest bit guilty that I am an Anime pirate :-)

    • It’s a fit-up

      If your work is any good then people will pay for it.
      Just don’t go blaming your lack of sales on piracy if you suck.

      • Really

        Not always. There are great movies, games that are pirated to death.
        Childish excuse to take something for free.
        Lack of sales or not, you’d be first to go after those who took something from you without permission. The only difference is, you never did anything worthwhile.

        • Pese

          even if it is pirated to death it will also increase sales, there are many authors who upload their own stuff to gain popularity. Take Coelho for example.. He said thanks to pirate medium he went from thousands of sales to millions worldwide.

          Too bad media companies are thinking in the past..

    • goo

      If I’m going to buy the right to access someone’s content, it has to be content that doesn’t suck. Much of the stuff produced these days is formula crap.

      If people like your work, some will buy it. If it’s horrible, don’t expect any money at all.

      The days of having to buy something just to find out it’s bad have been over for a long time. Welcome to technology.

      • Your mom and me

        So says the kid who wants things for free. Justification of greed.

  • HeartyCapt

    Oh aaarrrr, I be setting sail for the Port of Tribler

  • Quest

    it would be better all transmission where anomyoes so that nobody would not see what goes where but that imposible to do since rights holders could just download that client and then just download something and use wiresharks etc. see where end packets come…. and peerquardians or other block list(its just simple ip list of know anti p2p organisations) thinks they wont work since rights holders could just go their regular home do work there.

    Currently only way stay anomynous is use anym services… but i dont trust even those… what would stop anti pirace groups just go after those cease operations at there then go see what ip and transmissions are going and then sue ppl.

    if you want 100% sure that you wont get any trouble then your best bet is stop using piracy thinks.

    • James

      Wait, Wait, Wait.. You’re saying the Anti-Piracy outfits use their home internet, breaking the terms of service from their own ISP?

    • Guest

      What? First of all P2P is not illegal, you can use it for many other things than just copyrighted content. Also if you are afraid of MAFIAA protect yourself by using a VPN. “Piracy” aka sharing won’t be stopped, it’s part of people’s lives.

      • Your mom and me

        So is killing, wars, drug addictions…. all good stuff….ha ha Why bother

  • Sdjash

    This is actually a great project. And as someone who has been involved in large filesharing sites as an admin I can comfortably predict this is the future. If not this exact program (though I actually have been using it for a while), something similar. People should really give it a whirl, they are doing some great work, and it is needed.

  • Steph

    Way to go! Of course they can always try to shut down the client itself. So better share the technology with all torrent clients and then we will be truly safe from copyright trolls.

    • Joe

      Well since it is open source, all other bittorrent sites already have the availability of the source code, ready to attempt to integrate it into their respective clients.

    • Alan

      Unlikely, as soon as an update was released the new source code would be uploaded to the network and if the people developing it are taken out then anyone can take up where they left and continue updating the code.

  • Djxedxd

    Well now all we need is something to truely hide our identity and location n we’d be set. Gotta be some way to go totally off the grid so to speak.

    • Anon

      uhhh, Tor? What a dope.

      • Loller

        That’s twice now you’ve trolled this thread with ‘Tor for filesharing, you idiot’ – style posts.

        You’re really hoisting yourself by your own petard, retard.

        TOR IS NOT FOR FILESHARING, YOU CUNTBUBBLE.

        • Tor Rocks

          lol. what a complete douchebag. go back to school asswipe.

        • Anonymous

          don’t misuse tor for filesharing

  • Bill O

    isnt this just napster / limewire etc etc. someone explain the difference please?

    • Olli B

      Totally different protocol and transmission method. And no fixed central login server.

  • astroboi

    Only problem I see is MPAA setting up farms to downvote good torrents. Or release bogus files and upvote them.

    • Guest

      We have more ‘farms’. That will not work for them.

    • Alcari

      This implies there are more of them then there are of us. I doubt that.

    • Niels Zeilemaker

      We have made a distinction in Open2Edit between users and moderators. Similar to Wikipedia moderators have more rights than ordinary users. Actually removing a torrent from a channel requires moderator rights.

      Downvoting could happen, but this can happen in any voting scheme. In the future we want to see how we can identify peers which are gaming the system/spamming the system and act accordingly.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Reading this great news about Tribler I thought of yacy.net too as they appear to an ignoramus such as I to be really quite similar (though I’ve used neither so far).

    Please feel free to correct me, but the more new and safer ways we have to share files with each other will simply lead to a better, happier World (though the MAFIAA and their paid-for political puppets will likely be rather upset. Oh dear – welcome to progress guys).

    Anyway – all power to Tribler and many thanks to the dev team behind it.

  • Malcolm Haak

    So it’s e-donkey on steroids.

    • Halcolm Maak

      No not really.

    • http://pogue972.blogspot.com/ pogue972

      Sounds more like Gnutella

  • Mwhahaha

    “The latest addition to Tribler is a Wikipedia-style editing system dubbed “Open2Edit,” where users have the option to edit names and descriptions of torrents in public channels. ”

    Thus opening it up for companies to rename files of things they own, relabelling them as spam.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Think so? I think that the MAFIAA isn’t that numerous against bt users ;)

    • Niels Zeilemaker

      I agree allowing everyone to edit sounds very much like `we are opening the spam-floodgates’. But look at Wikipedia the same should happen there, but it does not. This inspired us to see if we could implement this in a completely distributed manner and allow everyone to edit/modify/improve meta-data.

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  • Anonymous

    A CALL TO ARMS

    The main ACTA Protest Day is this Saturday, February 11, 2012.

    All of Europe is involved along with a few sites in Canada & the United States. You see the full schedule here…
    https://www.accessnow.org/policy-activism/press-blog/acta-protest-feb-11

    We have already won Poland where over 40,000 people marched where the Government has now said ACTA will not be ratified and they will seek to stop ACTA in the European Parliament. Now we need to convince other countries to do the same.

    Pick your location & come armed for this fight…
    http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/images/7/76/Acta-infographics.png
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    Loads of designs to choose from so look around for the best one & I will see you there. Warm clothing strongly recommended!

    Please sign the online petition when they only need a few more people to hit their 2 million goal…
    http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet_spread/?fndLIcb&pv=307

    See how Hollywood always fears technology and fights progress. Now they fear the Internet and want to censor you…
    http://i.imgur.com/8ubzj.jpg

    It is time to recover the many freedoms that these Governments have taken from us. Please spread this news.

  • Universal Soldier

    Nice concept, the previous article really created some fear that it is the end of bit torrent.
    Off topic, is anyone else having problem downloading torrent files from TPB?

  • ML

    “This software is impossible to take down. Download it now!”

    –> server overload –> can’t download software

    • Matt Dundas

      thought it was just me lol

      • Anonymous

        Definitely related to HackerNews.

  • Malrob

    So last thing that right holders will be capable of is attacking directly peers who use this client. Thus next step would be to integrate something like Tor and let the user decide if he wants to use it, of course I suppose the speed of transfers would be significantly lowered but that’s the price of a relatively good anonymity (yeah I know true anonymity doesn’t exist but still it would be much more difficult, costly and time-consuming to track a single peer).

  • Asdf

    oh no, not another e-mule…

    • http://twitter.com/inkubux Francis Belanger

      Emule was and is still an awesome network.

      • Jimmy

        This network will have the same weakness that eMule had. Fake peers will just flood the network with fake results, making it impossible to find real content.

        • Artrumbugs

          Torrents appear on tribler based on popularity, if there’s a fake torrent only a few people will download it

    • OMGWTFBBQ

      it’s not emule… at all. It’s more like a torrent client with integrated piratebay.

      • Sergio

        eMule already IS “like a torrent client with integrated piratebay”!

        It uses a serverless DHT-protocol for global search since 8 years.

        I never understood why people cared about BitTorrent anyway…

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  • http://profiles.google.com/artfulldragon TL Dragon

    MMMMMmmMmmm Innovation. Tasty tasty innovation.

    Thank you MAFIAA/RIAA!!

  • http://www.peoplesnote.org Don Reba

    I suspect Tribler can still be blocked via deep packet inspection. Besides this, a company with some financial muscle could probably bring it down for periods of time with DDOS attacks: create tons of fake users, have them seed and recommend tons of fake torrents, return garbage when queried by searches, etc.

    • Asdf

      So now the evil companies are gonna hire botnets too? Awesome

      • http://www.peoplesnote.org Don Reba

        Evil companies and governments hire botnets already. Livejournal has been attacked when users posted info on Russian government. Rutracker is under attack right now.

    • Anonymous

      Deep packet inspection assumes you can read the packets. If you’re on a VPN that option is basically dead.

      As for DDoS – remember when Aiplex tried DDoSing TPB? It was then Anonymous launched it’s first attacks. You’d have to be an idiot to be a company known to DDoS when good ole anonops is around.

    • Alan

      That would probably work right now but once it gets a few million users then it might annoy people somewhat but nothing more unless they invest 8-9 digits in disrupting it.

    • OMGWTFBBQ

      Where ate you going to point your attack at? All individual users? Cmon man grow a brain.

  • Zeissmann

    It’s nothing original, eMule does this for years now. Of course BitTorrent is more convenient because one can download a package of files instead of single files. But still, the idea was there for half a decade at least.

    • http://twitter.com/inkubux Francis Belanger

      The original edonkey2000 client supported a concept called collection

    • http://sonaten.se/ Jonas N

      Yep. See also Kademlia.

    • http://vimrc-dissection.blogspot.com/ Dummy00001

      > But still, the idea was there for half a decade at least.

      Idea was there even before: there were already (nearly successful) attempts already in Gnutella times at implementing a decentralized net for meta data. But just like the predecessors, eMule has bunch of weaknesses making it prone to all possible distributed attacks e.g. poisoning and crippling the network. eMule’s KAD was the first capable of sustaining itself over prolonged periods of time – but it is still the same ancient defunct protocol as the eD2K, patched up were possible, yet still prone to all the poisoning problems, yet still incapable of guaranteeing that the file you have downloaded is 100% OK. Unlike BitTorrent.

      I do not know what meta data sharing protocol Tribbler employs, I just hope they have looked at the past experience and made sure that a few (hundred) rogue hosts (hired by the **aa/etc) or simple hash key collision would not be able to render their network useless. That would qualify IMO as something new.

  • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

    evolving tech is nice to see

  • Cleandump

    Tribler download link is not working

  • Bil7

    to the people complaining . honestly who CARES how many features it has or doesn’t have as long as we can always share files that’s the only thing that matters. now is no time to be picky at all

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  • Anonymous

    Sounds pretty rock solid to me dude, oh yeah.

    anon-puter.tk

  • Eversio

    Server Overload?

  • Anonymous

    and does anyone think that the entertainment industries will care if they have to ‘take the internet down’? as long as they achieve their aims, ie having exactly what we have atm, but under their control, is what they have always been after!

    • Ano

      LAN party, anyone?

  • Anonymous

    Decentralizing The distribution of the metadata is cool, now imagine if everything was done anonymously. Currently there is such a thing on I2P, there is a sort of DHT for general Metadata on I2P (called seedless). It can be used to store magnet links for torrents along with many other things. The software is still in beta but it is totally anonymized and it works, speed is not as bad as regular torrents.
    Last time i hopped on I2P i’ve seen an assortment of really cool bittorrent related things. Sometimes i wish someone would do an article on I2P.

    • Guest

      I second that: an article about I2P

  • Tonybalony44

    limewire said the same thing, you can’t shut it down because of some technical advance…but in the end, everything is capable of being shutdown Even fucking botnets get shut down remotely. So don’t think that your ISP might block you?

    • OMGWTFBBQ

      Limewire still works. Only the company no longer exists.

      • Ball Juggler

        Also don’t forget Limewire PIrate Edition.

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  • Maluconet

    Tribler download link is offline.

  • Anonymous

    Tribler designers need to consider hostile peers (like MPAA), this sounds great if the peers were all good, but with evil peers in the mix Tribler I think will struggle. The next step for coders is to consider ways an evil peer will behave and come up with way to circumvent evil acts. The media industry is more committed than you think and it is unwise to underestimate your enemy. I used to use edonkey but it was quite sh1t because it was so peer based.

    • Tom

      Nothing pulls on the emotional strings like the word evil eh??

      • Moowise

        Because it’s the truth.

        • Tonyj

          And it hurts

      • Anonymous

        Actually I didn’t even think about the connotations of the word I was using – it was entirely unintentional.

        I actually referring to an ‘evil’ node not as the MPAA but as *anyone* trying to disrupt an illegitimate or legitimate Tribler network. If someone tried to disrupt a Tribler nework that only seeded Linux distributions (for the lulz) then that person I would call an ‘evil’ node also.

        I wasn’t meaning to imply MPAA is evil – they are just inflexible/staid.

  • Fsn4W

    i believe i have found the perfect way to share files. the only way to share files is to share files where no one knows what they are getting. each download is a gamble. what do you think? that way the mpaa and riaa cant say. well your downloading something illegal. no one knows what u download because each person just gets a file called a file. a video file. you just have to be happy with whatever movie you end up with. its a good way to stay safe from prying eyes but sucks if you want something specific.

    if you cant make the file sharer anonymous the next best thing is to make the Files themselves anonymous

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4CUFGPXYI63VY7JGZWHBB2NI4Q albie

      Surely the most idiotic suggestion ever on TF.

      • MrV

        Not necessarily. One day every video, song and photo ever made will be able to be stored in something the size of a sugar cube.

        What they gonna do then?

      • http://twitter.com/al_d_25 booda dass

        I agree this guy must be mad… Stop doing Drugs! or maybe start doing drug if u are not on them yet lol. ..

    • Guest

      Is this sarcasm? It must be, because if not, you’re really fucking stupid. Why should I care about filesharing if I can’t get what I want? That’s the whole freaking point! I want videogames for free, not whatever virus-ridden copy of Transformers someone posted.

    • Guest

      Pandora?

    • Anonymous

      are you for real?

    • Guesticles

      This is stupid. Obviously the best way to handle this is to zip everything together into one giant file and then everyone will download the entire digest of everything that exists on the network. If there happens to be something in there that violates copyright laws, it’s not like you can fault any one person, you must download EVERYTHING.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      Well, eventually we will be able to download, store, and update such huge amounts of information that we can simply download whole categories of files, and do the refined searching locally on our computers. It would be somewhat similar to your idea.

      Of course, it can be argued that, doing this, you must know that some of the files will be illegal, and thus hold you responsible nonetheless.

    • Kanishk Kumar

      That would happen….after many years when everybody would have a 100 terabytes/sec broadband, and a 2 yottabyte harddrive!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rodrigo.orph Rodrigo Moraes Orph

    seriously? this been archieved by networks like winny and perfect dark almost 5 years ago, there’s nothing new here.

    • 123545u6tr

      Who gives a fuck? This is amazing stuff.

  • Chimwed

    I live in the USA and just tried to open the Tribler site — it was blocked.

    • Guest who I am

      The site was down when I tried too! , I live in the UK. It looks like someone has taken the Internet down lol
      I’ll be getting my pirated software from Dodgy Dave at the car boot sale like in the good old days!

  • Truth Teller

    I love the big lie:

    ““The only way to take it down is to take The Internet down.” Pouwelse told us.”

    You can take it down fairly easily, by just using it. Follow the sources, take legal action on the sources. Now a peer providing the information isn’t just some innocent bot, it is absolutely a “source” for the copyright violation and has become directly liable.

    The data has to come from somewhere, and when it does, it can be tracked.

    Sorry to burst bubbles.

    • EeW3

      WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT SO WE CAN SHARE FILES STILL NOT AVOID LAWSUITS DUMB ASS.

    • anon

      What if it’s not possible to detect the source?

    • Niels

      The only way to take it down refers to the network, not the individual peer. Currently indeed peers can be identified (as in any BitTorrent client), but there is no off-switch implemented and we do allow everyone to setup their own bootstrapservers making it impossible to take the network down.

      • Anonymous

        Niels, do you have plans to implement stealth technology (AES tunneling between peers and random TTL on requests) like you can find in RShare/Stealthnet?

        Seems to me that’s the next logical item on the agenda.

        • Niels Zeilemaker

          Random TTL is something we are considering.
          Encryption not so much, I myself do not see any other benifit to encryption than preventing eavesdropping. In BitTorrent and any other p2p system you still actively connect to peers you do not know (at a personal level), thus encryption will not prevent you actively connecting to any other peer trying to trace you.

      • Truth Teller

        Neils, “taking the network down” isn’t accomplished on a technical level (like shutting something off) it’s done when people realize that the risk / reward of putting themselves out there as a file source is too high compared to the return.

        The network shuts itself off if nobody uses it.

        • Anonymous

          And given empirical fact taken from recent and old history, that just doesn’t happen. Information control isn’t possible. File sharing has been completely untouched despite the fact that in some national legislation the net effects of getting caught is harsher than that incrued by manslaughter – it being debatable whether ten years in the slammer is worse than having a multi-million dollar debts haunt you for the rest of your life.

          It hasn’t deterred anyone yet. Nor will it.

          Einstein once stated that insanity is defined as someone trying the same thing twice expecting different results. What this says about the copyright lobby is scary indeed.

          Given how much public and private resource has to be invested in creating such a deterrence, I’m feeling quite comfortable. China has the highest per capita piracy community in the world, despite having security nets far more draconian and laws far harsher than any we are likely to see here. Judging from history a tighter grip always creates an effect opposite the intended one.

          Before pirates are touched by such legislation as would be necessary, the internet regulations will have become completely intolerable for the average citizen. A hint of this was supplied by the reactions to SOPA. And you’d have to go a lot further than that before even getting close to the pirates.

    • Fredrik Blomqvist

      Yeah you didn’t do your homework, what he is referring to “it can never be taken down”, is that there is nothing that can be taken down since it is decentralized. He didn’t say anything about hiding from MPAA and such idiot.

    • Guest

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but nobody can take action against the millions upon millions of filesharers in the world. There are beyond too many of them.

      That’s why the only way to take down P2P is to take down the Internet.

      I mean, why the fuck do you think the authorities can’t stop bittorrent? It should be “fairly easy” according to you, just follow the sources and take legal action against them, right? Except, it’s not so easy when the number of sources eclipses the population of most countries. It’s actually impossible.

      And are you forgetting that the copyright industry’s method for determining a “source” is such a joke that they’ve accused computerless retirees and inanimate objects of infringement? Yes, the data has to come from somewhere, but they’ve proven time and again that they can’t track it worth shit.

      If Tribler could be shut down as easily as you say, then public filesharing would have ceased to exist a very long time ago. But guess what? Public filesharing continues to flourish like plankton in the ocean, and no law enforcement, no policy maker, has ever demonstrated the power to hold it back for even a nanosecond. What does that say about your argument?

      Somebody sure is telling big lies, but I don’t think it’s Pouwelse.

    • Anonymous

      Didn’t do your homework did you?

      1) Of all IP adresses gathered this way a minimum of 12-13% is basically false. Meaning that 12-13% of the people dragged into a lawsuit will have very valid grounds for a countersuit. This has been proven time and time again. Ip tracking data gathered from the client side just isn’t reliable.

      2) 9 times out of 10 the “peer” providing the information is a proxy located in another country. At least such is the case for any heavy user.

      3) Given that there is absolutely nothing which prevents stealth technology to be incorporated in Tribbler or any other p2p client, in the future I have a solid guess that you won’t be able to tell which person in the end requested the torrent or provides the file.

      Basically, tracking a single torrent user consumes vast resources in the form of overhead and judicial clout. The only ones with that clout and resources are entities such as the FBI. Now think a little while on how “justifiable” it will be for the Feds to track down ten teenagers making copies of media files as compared to spending those resources on tracking down, say, ten terrorists.

      It just isn’t feasible.

      Of course, you can go back and start using the old tactic of spamming every ip adress you find with cease and desist-letters. That’s worked out REAL well so far, hasn’t it?

      I suggest you pick a different handle – “Truth Teller” isn’t accurate at all. “Clueless Luser” might be more up your alley.

      • Guest

        Ah, but the FBI did just waste tons of taxpayers money and resources to take down Megaupload, what’s to say that they won’t try to do it again? Everybody is corrupted nowadays.

        • Anonymous

          So they did. they went after one single entity. I can tell you right now if they had had to invest ten thousand times the effort to achieve the same effect they wouldn’t have. Which is what happens when you have a decentralized peer/swarm solution.

      • Flange Chicken

        1 – It’d be trivial to verify reception of data from the peers before starting legal preceedings.

        2 – International agreements on the protection of copyrights can see to it that your location need not save you.

        3 – Define ‘stealth technology’? Proxy chains? So, sue the intermediaries.

        Tracking could be done quite simply with only modest resources, and fully automated. it’s just a pain to have to deal with all those individial cases, so they can create new rules to streamline the legal processes instead to compensate for that.

        It is quite feasible.

        • Guest

          Quite feasible.

          That must be why it’s never been done.

        • Glib

          1. It’s not trivial. You’d essentially have to have the person confess they did it OR catch them WHILE they are doing it OR have their PC that has some type of evidence it was doing what you said when you said it was. Otherwise, “I didn’t do it, I don’t even know what BitTorrent is” would be completely valid. Anyone can crack WPA passwords in seconds, or simple WPA2 ones in minutes.
          2. Go after the proxy; have fun. Most countries don’t have data retention laws so those providers actually have no ability whatsoever to know who did what when. Even if they WANTED to comply, which they assuredly do not, they can’t I recall reading once that a major newsgroup provider cannot log their transfers. If they did, it would be more than 2TB of logs in a single day; that’s a lot of punishment to a server coming in at ~32 bytes at a time for no reason.
          3. A single proxy would suffice; no need for chains if the first one isn’t stupid. Same answer as above; some proxies pipe so much random data through them that storage of information is outright impossible and really has no purpose. I mean, if you’re providing a VPN service, you need piles of bandwidth and processing power; you really have a completely solid argument for not having 1,000,000 IOPS in harddrive requests for no reason.

          As someone said, if it was so easy and feasible, that must be why it has never been done.

        • Anonymous

          1) Wrong. This is the problem encountered each and every time you try to use client-side tracking. at a minimum, 12-13% error margin it is. In order to verify reception of data you’d have to do one of two things – Man In The Middle in order to actually be the sender of the data, or direct invasion of the recipient’s computer. Both of these methods consume vast resources. We get right down to where every single downloader will generate overhead equivalent to that needed by the feds to take down a terrorist or serious criminal.
          It’s not feasible in practice.

          2) International agreements have the same limits as national law. And they will be just as ineffective. For rpactical considerations you could implement SOPA, PIPA and ACTA at once and for all intents and purposes you’d have to break every legal entity on the net before you even got close to the pirates.
          We already have the cheat sheet on how that pans out – China. An estimated 62% pirates in the online community in the most draconian IT regime in the world.

          3) http://www.stealthnet.de/en_index.php
          Basically, everyone who uses the client is part of the proxy swarm. Generally speaking – sue whom? Ten thousand people running perfectly legitimate software? Everyone using the tor network?

          Even if that were possible, the legal framework which would have to be in place would effectively also prevent any person or entity from being online for any reason at all in practice. You’d need to scrap the first amendment altogether as far as digital transactions go for that to work. Not to mention that you’d have to reverse “burden of proof” for it to work. Every time such mass lawsuits have been attempted, courts have quite rightly thrown those lawsuits out. There is no company or conglomeration of companies which can afford to foot the bill for ten thousand lawyers without the expectation of a significant roi.

          That route has been tried and abandoned.

          So no, it’s not feasible. Neither from a practical perspective nor a theorethical. This has been very well established.
          I’ll give you one caveat here – rebuild the entire internet structure to acts as one single massive intranet with a few million dedicated sysadmins to hold each node and then you might get somewhere – but I don’t see that happening for numerous reasons.

      • Really

        Once again you prove you have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s no 12-13%. They don’t take people to court without getting information about them first.
        Proxies are exploitable. They want to get you, proxy won’t help you. Only people like you think they’re safe behind proxy.
        Now they can sniff your computer more than before with Patriot Act. Even hacking to someone’s network and faking your ip is not untraceable. You really need to know what you’re doing to really protect yourself. If you think that 13% of kids downloading stuff is that knowledgeable, shows how little you know. A lot of them barely even know how to unzip files.

        Now think a little while on how “justifiable” it will be for the Feds to track down ten teenagers making copies of media files as compared to spending those resources on tracking down, say, ten terrorists.
        Lol, what feds? How many people got letters from their ISPs without any FBI involvement? Others are sued for uploading files, no FBI, no much resources involved.
        You feel lonely, get a pet.

        I suggest pick grammar skills before you write something. Learn some spelling, punctuation and sentence structure. Big words from thesaurus ,make you look more clown than you’re.

  • http://about.me/catchen Cat Chen

    What if some organization fakes billions of peers in the network? Is it legal to do so in the Western world? At least that’s the way Chinese government made the TOR network totally useless in China, unless you have a known trusted bridge IP outside China.

    If there are 50% of the peers in the network are fake and they always send fake data, that means 50% of your downloaded data will be rejected after verification and your torrent client needs to download it again. That’s discouraging enough.

    • http://p5.myopenid.com/ P5

      You can’t fake enough peers as long as the peer directory itself isn’t compromised in some way. As long as you have to have a real peer providing fake data at all such nodes, no government resource is big enough to compete with the millions of valid nodes used by real people. Once the network reaches a critical mass, the tactic you outline will fail to work.

      • Crappypants

        wrong. One word, virtualization. I can fake a thousand machines from one machine

        • http://p5.myopenid.com/ P5

          That is incorrect. The virtual machine still has to work with the host’s resources. Projects like SETI@Home exist because the sum of computational resources available to the public is several magnitudes greater than those in the hands of governments or institutions. They simply can’t keep up, which is why the brute-force method of disruption is useless.

        • Anonymous

          P5 below has the right of it. In theory you could start corrupting a swarm-generated index…but the cost of setting up the server farms would be completely ridiculous. I don’t see any single company funding a farm which would be akin to creating a new silicon valley.

  • http://p5.myopenid.com/ P5

    Tried this yesterday. Tribler couldn’t register the uPnP port on my router (not sure if has even tried, seeing the logs), I could search but I could not download anything whatsoever, and the client STILL counted my aborted downloads against my share ratio even though it could not get a single bit from them.
    Very, very disappointing. :(

    • Niels

      Every byte you download is counted, we do not count any bytes which are not donwloaded. If the uPnp fails uploading becomes very difficult as your Tribler client needs to find peers to upload to, instead of being contacted by peers.

      Download should still work though. If in your opinion something is not working correctly please use our forums to report the bug. (When our servers are back online :P )

      • http://p5.myopenid.com/ P5

        Reinstalled. It’s STILL happening. I cancel a download, and my download total is suddenly increased by hundreds of megabytes. Even if I was leeching with full speed, it would be impossible for me to get so much data so fast. (I’m at “634 MB” after roughly 20 minutes of usage.)
        I will file a bug once the site is back.

  • http://twitter.com/happyizpunjai happy

    Remember that all .com and .net are in U.S jurisdiction… look it up fbi can shut down any sight.. Keep your domain different…. the U.S is working on .org … ICE and Fbi can seize warrants for any of these sites.

  • tueurbebr

    is the site down?

    • Malrob

      Yes I think so, I checked on downforeveryoneorjustme.com.
      The article probably brought a lot of traffic, at least more than what the site is used to.

      Try again in a few hours it should be up again.

    • Xxx

      THATS not good man AMERICA is trying to say thet the INTERNET is reserved for AMERICA only???

      NOT fair

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  • http://twitter.com/hbogert Hans van den Bogert

    Crazy Prof Pouwelse :) I’ve had participated in many of his colleges about general networks courses. He alway took a detour in his colleges talking about his(and many student’s) creation – Tribler.
    He’s a pirate and proud of it :)

    • Xxx

      MAN hope he put your name as contributor

      COS soon this will be the leading SOFTWARE just like bittorrent is for NOW???

  • Guest

    Niels, if it works using the Bittorrent protocol, wouldn’t a Layer 7 filter/traffic shaper at the ISP layer stop this cold?

    • Niels Zeilemaker

      Downloading files currently is still using BitTorrent, the other protocols such as search and open2edit are using different protocols. Those will probably not be filtered/stopped by such a filter.

      We’re working on a new protocol which will improve upon BitTorrent called Swift. This is currently in a testing phase. We’re aiming for a release which includes Swift in half a year. As Swift is a different protocol any BitTorrent shaping will not work.

      • NewBusinessModelRequired

        ISP’s will just add Swift protocol shaping.

        • Glib

          Unless, of course, it effectively hides its true colours somehow. Traffic shaping has to be easy in order for network hardware to keep up. Have you ever seen how powerful a simple “dumb” switch has to be to keep up with even a moderate amount of traffic? Imagine having to inspect each packet (or every 100 packets or something) to determine if it needs to be throttled. If you can VERY EASILY tell it’s a bittorrent related transfer, then that’s one thing. If it requires a lot of inspection (ie: plenty of CPU cycles) to do this, then it becomes a very expensive (hardware wise) project to keep up.

          Think of it this way, if you disallow red cars into your country, it’s pretty easy to moderate that; you can see them a mile away. However, if you disallow high octane gas (say, over 97), that’s not quite as obvious and takes a lot of time … you have to start randomly selecting cars as you can’t inspect every one. Now, if you disallow gold plating on connectors in cars … it’d be DAYS to inspect each car … stops making sense. Make the Swift protocol make packets look like every other packet to the naked eye, you have a relatively unthrottlable protocol.

        • Niels Zeilemaker

          True

      • Guest

        But can you develop protocols faster than the filter authors can add signatures? Or have you take that into account and are building some mechanism to avoid ISP shaping/filtering, like a polymorphic virus, into Swift?

        As many other have noted, I don’t see how this would be very hard to stop unless it’s run on top of a low-layer VPN protocol.

    • Anonymous

      It would – unless you’re running in a tunnel. VPN is your friend here.

      • Niels Zeilemaker

        Or if you live in China the government simply turns off all encrypted connections.

  • Captain Jennings

    Looks like the tribler website is down now.

  • The Art Of Spam

    Central Tribler Website repaired!
    New download location: http://dl.tribler.org

  • maxwell elle

    this app will revolutionize the p2p community and take it to the next level

  • PGies

    This just looks like napster all over again. it’s still peer-to-peer

    so MIAA can search ‘transformers 3′ then sue everybody who shows up

    • Duh

      This is not about if they can find you or sue you it’s about not being able to take it down. Anonymizing is still your responsibility.

    • Xxx

      there will be a problem for sure

      hope the system HASH the ip and make it unable to trace the real persons

      SHOULD not show info about country, IP, MAC, … and others which help to identify particular PC on a network

      HOPE this is integrated in the Tribler

      • Spangles

        So how do two peers transfer data between each other then without known IP addresses? Proxying? You can do that now with other software if you want. Nobody wants to. It’s slow. It’s not necessary just yet.

        • Anonymous

          Onion routing and randomized TTL’s on requests – this already exists. RShare/Stealthnet is the functional client I know of which does this, but I’d be surprised not to see most mainline clients enabling those options as well.

  • anon

    Next headline: Torrentfreak Article Shuts Down Uprising Torrentclient.

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  • Grrrr

    Available content on Tribler is pretty poor sadly. But I like a widespread reputation system, in the end it should keep unpopular torrents more likely alive.

    • Xxx

      MAN if ever all SERVER for torrent goes out

      then you will see the REAL POWER of Tribler

      COS now it is not fully exploited to its maximum SOON OUR great friends – the GRAET uploders will have to move to Tribler to share

      THEN who will STOP WHO???????

      OR close the whole internet

      • http://www.nclf.net/ Goldman60

        I can CAPITALIZE at random TOO, LOOK at ME

  • Why no mention of the Tixati client, TorrentFreak? That too can operate free of the need for centralised .torrent files, tracker and indexing site. It allows anyone to publish anything in an instant, even if the user then goes offline for good. It allows anyone to create rooms, public or private, where anyone can share torrents and chat. And because it’s fully decentralised, it cannot be shut it down.

    So I don’t understand. You call yourselves ‘TorrentFreak’, but totally ignore that particular client, like you have something against it? Is it not a pretty big thing for a BitTorrent client to have this capability?

    Check it out, people, it’s a good client now, packing some pretty big features. Native Linux versions available, too.

    • Fredrik Blomqvist

      ^^^^^^^^^
      He got paid to say that.

      • Why do you say that? Do you have any proof? Of course you don’t. I have nothing to do with the people who made it, I just use it, so I see the similarities with the Tribler client talked about here in the article. I find it hard to believe that TorrentFreak are not aware of it, so why no mention? The technology is a very significant thing. Try it yourself, then tell me it isn’t…

    • Anonymous

      From the Tixati website: “Once the Tixati software is installed, starting a download is easy. First, the user finds a .torrent file on the web. (…)”

      This is the difference. There are no metafiles in tribler. Or rather, they are where the data is, not in a centralized location.

      Finding a .torrent file on the web means they necessarily need to know about a central server where to find them.

      • Yeah, it’s outdated information, as it relates to earlier versions of the client. It was only recently they added the decentralised chat/sharing stuff. The client still operates as any other torrent client does though, which is what that info is about.

        • Niels Zeilemaker

          I would be interested in reading how they implemented their channels. Do you know if there is any documentation available?

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  • http://twitter.com/wineeilejenda wineei lejenda

    Wasnt Limewire the same thing as this one?

    • Anonymous

      No, Limewire still had a central server.

  • Xxx

    At last some one will help alleviate the Tension on FILE sharing

    HOPE it work like the NORMAL torrent simply the torrent searching is different

  • Mate

    It is absolutely necessary to put the Peers tab in the Download field ???

    • Niels Zeilemaker

      You connect to Peers, we show them in a tab. Why would you want to hide this information?

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  • Rfgs

    this reminds me of Limewire….. have fun downloading spam, other trash, fake uploads and whatnot.

    • Glib

      How is this at ALL like Limewire? Because they can both share files? Limewire was fully centralised, has no comment system, no moderation whatsoever, and was heavily commercialised with ads and crap. Tribler is being made by anonymous / school funding; they essentially answer to nobody and have zero motivation for generating profit. You’d have to be retarded to make that comparison and be serious.

  • ElementalTruth

    Tribler here i come. i think everyone should MASS DL and back it up on external hds. dont know whats going to get taken down next…..

    • Jack

      There’s a 1001 ways to share files, no need to fret about it, they ain’t gonna stop jack shit.

  • http://twitter.com/Ryanhacun Ryan Hacunda

    I can’t seem to get it to work at all. I haven’t tried adding a torrent file from outside, but on the searched torrents when I hit download it grays out the button like it’s doing something, sits for a minute, then does nothing. I really like the idea though, I’ll definitely have to check out their forums when they recover from the popularity surge.

  • lebuddah

    This sounds great. Except, when the government starts prosecuting individual people for torrent downloads, we’re all fucked.

    • sagfd

      Sorry to break this to you, but they’ve been doing that for the last decade. There’s nothing new about ‘if you get caught downloading’, we’re gonna fuck you through the court system…

  • Abdef

    Soulseek baby, soulseek.

    • Nerfbat

      Centralised, can easily be shut down.

  • Myteev

    MYTEEV HAS ALL YOUR ANSWERS

  • foff

    At least someone is trying something new. We all know torrents and cyberlockers won’t last forever so whether this works or not we do need the next generation tool.
    As long as the internet is alive sharing in some form will continue. Someday lawmakers will realize that like they can’t change the fact that water runs downhill by laws. No laws will stop sharing.

  • Jimmy

    They will just resort to the ultimate block: bandwidth limits.

    • dfhgdjhgf

      What, to effectively take the Internet back to the 80′s? Not going to happen. Even a single webpage can run into megabytes these days. Through in all ther media and other bandwidth-hungry source too and any limits placed won’t mean much.

      • Crappypants

        He means bandwidth blocks on users using tribler, not reducing everyones bandwidth.

        • Anonymous

          encryption is your friend against shaping ;)

        • dfhgdjhgf

          Then the protocol gets obfuscated, or hidden in plain sight.

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  • Smith

    ‘“The only way to take it down is to take the Internet down,” the lead researcher says.’

    CHALLENGE. ACCEPTED.

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  • OMGWTFBBQ

    Hey Tribler devs, will there be a version to run on a server/seedbox? With a remote browser login? Like ruTorrent. And what about RSS or any other way to subscribe to a tv-series?

    • Niels Zeilemaker

      These are indeed nice features to have. Currently our focus in on improving the UI to accommodate for things like RSS etc.
      Remote login would just be an engineering effort, i’ve looked at the protocols Transmission was using. Thinking of simply using their api to allow for all of their remote controls to simply work with Tribler as well.

  • Howdy

    i agree that decentralized operation of the network is a key component, but in my opinion, as many have pointed out, anonymous operation is equally critical. there have been several studies thus far on using anonymity tools such as TOR and I2P with the bittorent protocol that show that the user swarm real IP’s can still be logged. this is the real flaw. it means that users cannot necessarily be blocked when using these technologies, but can be tracked via public IP and therefore still put each user at risk for possible litigation(i.e. sued). This should be the next primary focus of applications such as this. freedom from persecution should be equal to freedom from censorship. ask users of blogs in other countries who are arrested for there public opinions if they consider the technical means to share information as more important then being protected when doing so. the same principle should apply to these applications.

    in my opinion there are 4 areas of equal importance that should be vital to the success of free information:

    1. free operation( decetrilization, anti deep packet inspection, anti port blocking ect.)

    2. user identity protection( anonymizing operation, hiding of user public IP, anti tracking tech ect)

    3. intermediary protection( forced end to end encryption.anonymizing supper peers, list hubs anti trace routing to protect VPN operators or private anonymity hubs like Tor supper peers, and protection for ISP’s needs to also be considered as country’s are leaning not just on sites but providers as well)

    4. public pool poisoning( MPAA RIAA bad peers poisoning the network and introducing malware to install tracking software on intermediary and end users computers thus breaking all protections or making the network unusable due to bad content or no content(null actors)).

    any application that focuses on these 4 areas will be a success as long as each are given equal consideration and implementation. without any one of these considerations, the network will ultimately fail either due to technical or legal external pressures.

  • Anonymous

    So it’s like Share?

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  • user

    i gave it a try, i like it , useful

  • Sergio

    Global search-function, file-rating, completely decentralized p2p-network…

    How many years has it BitTorrent taken now to finally reinvent eMule?

    • Glib

      eMule requires servers and works nothing like BitTorrent.

      Using your inability to make useful comparisons, you could say that eMule (or the eDonkey protocol, really) was just a reinvent of Napster.

      What Tribler is trying to do is make the entire bittorrent system decentralised. In the end, at this point, as long as you have one big legal torrent running (say, the newest copy of uBuntu), the client will be able to do everything you need it to as it will have a giant pile of well-connected peers attached to it.

      • Sergio

        I am sorry to awake you from your small-minded BitTorrent fanboy world, but eMule runs serverless since 2004 using the Kademlia DHT-protocol.

        Long time before BitTorrent started using serverless DHT for magnet-links (and then was still relying on websites like ThePirateBay for search).

        • Niels Zeilemaker

          Personally, I think that using a DHT for search as KAD does not work well. You can try to optimize it in order to get it somewhat working, but still the overhead you incur is very high.
          Basically the overhead is caused splitting a file in keywords, then announcing to those DHT nodes that you have this file and repeating this every 4 hours. A single file thus causes multiple announces, making it very inefficient.

          The BitTorrent DHT (which is KAD based as well) announces much less information to the DHT. It does one announce per torrent. Additionally when performing a lookup the infohash is known beforehand by the client thus no searching is performed.

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  • http://hubpages.com/profile/andromida andromida

    It is literally impossible to control the Internet.Why don’t we concentrate on educating people about who owns the internet and how it works

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  • Chronoss2008

    in other news they reinvented SFTP ….and SFXP

  • Matthew Reed

    Excellent work.

    Always stay at least one step ahead of the ignorant, oppressive bureaucrats.

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  • Napalm

    Um, Freenet?? With enough people, it could work just fine. Feedback?

    • Niels Zeilemaker

      Freenet is in principle very nice, except we think that binary transfer over connections with random TTLs is not the way to go. Every hop is basically wasting resources.
      We’re looking into using our new Swift protocol to do proxying, which will in the end basically cause all peers to pretend they have downloaded only a portion of the file. There will be no method into actually determining which peer downloaded a complete copy and which peers have helped him doing it.

  • Napalm

    You Tribler people do have a donate button up right? Just sayin…

  • Napalm

    Oh hell, somebody put this thing up on TPB pls. Tribler guys put yer donate button up..the stampede is coming yer way….Hahahahahahaha!!

  • Phernergen

    So it’s basically Overnet.

  • Anon

    It would be nice if it did NOT have an embedded player – or the option to uninstall it or just not install it. I want a SIMPLE, LEAN client (like uT *used* to be!) There are PLENTY of stand-alone players for all forms of media.

    • Guest

      +1

    • Niels Zeilemaker

      Even if we remove VLC, Tribler is and will never be a simple an lean client. You basically want a client to be very sparse, every feature Tribler includes such as remote search will complicate the client ie will make it more than a sparse client.

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  • Guest

    I love this idea. The primary power that people have over large corporations and governments is numbers. This uses the masses to handle as much as possible, which means to fight it is to take on the masses. This is how we need to think for everything!

  • OMGWTFBBQ

    And about the implemented vlc player, i get where you are coming from. This can be a good function for people with limited computer skills. Knowing and installing aditional players and codecs ect. But i do not think they are your demographic atm. Don’t focus your client to cater to most likely, leeches. People that will build your “wiki” are torrentfreaks, pun intended. They most likely have a good setup involving a nas or web server with a media center like xbmc. Because they will have, and have use for, a database. In the client and in the media center, because it is almost a replacement for their tv. But since you have already gone through the trouble of implementing vlc. Why not offer both with and without?

    • Niels Zeilemaker

      This is indeed something we are considering. Basically the only change needed here is to modify our installation builder scripts.
      Will look into it to see how much work it actually is.

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  • Asd

    Wow, I wasn’t expecting it to be so fast. All my searches finished in about 3 seconds, which is about as long as it takes to search a regular indexer anyway.
    Implementing the wiki-descriptions and comments while controlling for spam will be interesting, but I can easily see this becoming the future of bittorrent.

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  • Carlos Ferreira

    It’s not totally distributed, that’s Not True….

    People still relly on ISP’s in order to get an IP Address, wherever it is IPv4 or v6…

    Althought some research projects are addressing this issue :)

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    Tribler is the best bit torrent thang. We will continue freedom with the help of Tribler. ViVa Tribler!

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  • Tee

    It says it is completely Open Source. Does it mean that it is also free to use in commercial use?

    I don’t know much about software copyrights but wouldnt it be possible to forbid commercial usage for softwares like this? Then copyright mafia can’t use it to find peers because that would violate this software’s copyright?

    Just brainstorming here…

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7X7FOKXGRDO5FBBZ6VVI3THPSI mario23

    how does this work, i typed a keyword say the name of the tv show, and nothing came up

  • Guestg

    We Winninggggggggg we Winninggggggggggggggggggggg :D

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  • no one

    reminds me a little of the limewire days
    for those who want to give it a tr http://dl.tribler.org/download.html

  • Tonyj

    I do believe now the strategies employed by the MPAA and the RIAA is and has been completely moronic. Even more so when we will eventually find out how what the price tag is on this strategy by these two entities. I wonder how much money was spent to drive pirate sharers to find another solution.

  • Guest

    so, gnutella with another name?

  • Why Required

    Really needs a web interface so that I can control downloads directly to my TV box (Ubuntu) like I do today with Transmission. If it gets that, then perfect!

    • Why Required

      (also, using Transmission allows the use of Torrent-fu and similar from Android, great when someone talks about a series or movie at the pub and you can have it down when you come home)

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  • Guest

    The thing that everyone has missed out and why this will not work is.., ACTA will require your internet provider to open every packet you send or receive. Thus..,

  • Pat

    The quote “Our key scientific quest is facilitating unbounded information sharing,” gets me.

    What good is having the ultimate fiber optic cable if you’ve only got poorly written, poorly conceived and poorly funded content to send through it? People need to be paid for their creation. One day all we’ll have is safe bet carbon copy music and films because there’ll be no money in making something interesting.

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  • Black16nova

    Artists want to be heard, i’d imagine. Before record labels they sung in local pubs and that’s about it. Now everyone who wishes to listen can listen no matter where.

    Being a musician never brought much money, if i recall, it’s a very slim portion of the sales that goes to the artists, gotta pay fees, managements, what-not, living expenses, touring, equipement, sound technicians.

    Record label is an industry, and if i worked in it, i’d probably not be pro-filesharing anymore. Could we be exposed to the artists that we know if they weren’t signed to a record label, if it wasn’t profitable to be a record label?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7X7FOKXGRDO5FBBZ6VVI3THPSI mario23

    ad tribler does not work people, im trying to search for stuff, and nothing is happening and theres not even a website to look for to see what setting you need to have to make it work, for port status to be online and not unknown

    • Niels Zeilemaker

      You could click on the Tribler logo in the interface to see if you’re actually connected to the network. If you’re not, then something is wrong.

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  • http://twitter.com/Nighthalk_ moi

    this the way of the way of the future

  • confused…

    Anyone care to explain how this is any different to Limewire???

  • Whocares

    This is all about money, who pays what and who gets what. Either we eliminate money or instead of the MPIAA or RIAA wasting all that money tracking down pirates, use all that money and pay the artists – problem solved everyone wins. At the end people aren’t making money (except may be the Fed), it just gets transferred from entity to another.

  • Sdfd

    46.246.72.85

    • The Art Of Spam

      Public bootstrapTribler peers?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7X7FOKXGRDO5FBBZ6VVI3THPSI mario23

    what about a way to bypassing the isp monitoring, if they see you downloading anything even if it is book,movies,shows, they will immediately call law enforcements……

  • http://twitter.com/al_d_25 booda dass

    until i can use this software on private trackers, this is a no go.

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  • Auntifud

    Also makes it easier for the CDN’s and ISP’s to determine who the “megausers” are. Won’t work on proxies. It’s a trap!

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  • Beertje

    The only thing I could find is this on wiki. It was financed (via I-Shareproject) by the dutch government. It will keep track data and history of users said by Pawel Garbacki. What does this mean? See http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribler for English by Google http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnl.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTribler&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

    • The Art Of Spam

      That info is *many* years old. For recent info see: “P2P-Next and “QLectives” projects. Privacy protection is a key concern… -TriblerTeam

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  • RandomNetUser

    I think this is a great program , only one problem :(
    it does not support encryption and alot of ISP slow down BitTorrent traffic if they detect it,thus having encryption is very handy and in some cases needed!

  • RandomNetUser

    If Tribler does NOT encrypt data it transmits couldnt ISP use methods like how they do now to detect Bit Torrent data and slow it down but block it completely??

  • RandomNetUser

    If Tribler get Encryption support I will change to Tribler instead of using uTorrent
    but until that happens I will be sticking with uTorrent.

  • Thegeek 101

    Isn’t Tribler kinda like what Napster was in the beginning? And people were getting caught dling files?

    • Crystal87

      Napster was on a centralized server.. so, no, it’s nothing like Nap

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      spam

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  • Anonymous

    true it can never been shutdown but thats really OLD technology, server-level file hosting was the SUCCESSOR ot bit-torrent/kazaa/lime-wire…etc…etc which without seeds tend to be very slow or even non-functional….free file hosting on the other hand…fast, and always available (unless the FBI shuts it down ofcours, lol)

    anyway, my fav:
    http://www.peeje.com/upload

    …hotlinkz baby 8)

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  • Futsnfup

    My ISP letter and my response to them about the ‘MFAA’ letter they received.
    “The MFAA says your downloading copyrightd material, heres the letter if you want to respond to them.”
    I responded with “DAMN KIDS IN MY APARTMENT COMPLEX KEEP HACKING MY WIRELESS NETWORK… AND GEEK SQUAD SAYS ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP…
    go find em for me!”
    I never got a reply back ;)

    • KAnIsQ

      gr8 man, i will do that too

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  • Abc

    ummmm if you buy a used computer for cash and go online using a public WiFi connection which are everywhere……….how the hell can anyone know who you are??????????????????? in fact, i haven’t done anything traceable to me on a computer in years, not really. not unless you count personal email to friends that is totally innocent (i.e. no jackbooted thugs are going to be interrogating my friends over “how have you been, jim.” or even “Bush is a mass murdering criminal and the US is a fascist nation.”

    or you can just walk into any library, cafe, PC-room, university, fucking anywhere…and anonymously use the web. period. end of story.

    and despite all the talk about google, facebook, yahoo, twitter, etc. being non-private…ummmm…hello world?? you can make anonymous accounts on any of them. i have dozens of email accounts, for example.

    it will be many, many years before ubiquitous cameras, face recognition and a truly BIG BROTHER will make it impossible to use the web anonymously, and by then it will be even easier, i’m sure…thanks to efforts such as TOR and Tribler, et al. these are just getting started too.

    • kAnIsQ

      true

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  • Miami Sunset

    It’s just another Limewire. All it does it make one easier to get targeted as an individual.

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  • Mattiaswalla

    I think it should be easy for them to make an anonymous version. Just let the program send 1/2 junk information between random users and 1/2 real information and it will be impossible to prove who dl what from who.

    • Anonymous

      Theres problems with doing that. When you send data through a “middleman” to get to its destination it slows things down. Also, people would still be responsible for sharing “illegal” stuff only this time you would busted for someone elses downloading and vice versa.

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  • shinobi

    even if they could identify every single file sharer, how would they possibly sue millions of people?
    Imagine courts in all Europe filled with hundreds of defendents a day waiting to be sent to then exploding cells in then not enough prisons!
    I think we should take it much easier than this pals, as it is impossible to imprison the world.
    Undoubtedly, it is us i.e. “the pirates” who will win this battle.
    Viva la piracy!

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    Tribler makes BitTorrent impossible to shut down… but it also makes it impossible for site owners to make ad money from building a piracy database and posing as champions of free speech. Let’s see how many people will bother providing the pirated content without that (possibility of) revenue.

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  • Anonymous

    OMG! It’s 1999 AND THERE IS A BREAKTHROUGH ON THE INTRAWEBZ!!!!

    NAPSTER.. I MEAN.. TRIBLER HAS BEEN INVENTED! PRAISE THE REVOLUTION! WE’RE SAVED!

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  • kAnIsQ

    Tribler is the future and it is going to make each of us a ‘Tribe’ in the future.

    I have used utorrent (and some other clients in the first years) for like 4 or 5 years, have great memories with it. Downloaded thousands of ‘LEGAL’ stuffs. I have used mediafire, tv-links.eu, etc. Have gr8 memories of TPB, which I used no more because of btjunkie. I Never seeded for more than 2 minutes, always thought I wasn’t that kind of guy.

    I heard about Tribler long ago, but I didn’t needed it at that time. Now the looks of government and the raiding of trackers made me download it.

    Anyone who thinks it is same as napster or emule or edonkey or bearshare or utorrent or any other p2p client, please read all the comments, and if you don’t have enough time, at least read the comments and replies by Niels Zeilemaker (just ‘Niel’ in the later comments).

    ['XXXXX(number)' is the name of a torrent...]

    When I first started Tribler, it hanged my old Intel Pentium 4 Processor for a few seconds, then when I searched, no results came, I closed it and after some time when I started it, it hanged again for a few seconds but then when I searched ‘XXXXX1′, result came very fast (why this happened is explained in there forum), I watched an episode of ‘XXXXX3′ by streaming. Downloaded ‘XXXXX1′, and ‘XXXXX2′, my reputation in the software got poor, but when I tried to seed ‘XXXXX1′ and ‘XXXXX2′, I was unable to do it. I reinstalled the software (also the application data in windows xp), re-downloaded the torrent files, Tribler checked it, and started seeding, but nothing happened (This time in the settings, I chose to seed to only tribler users, since, I needed to build a strong reputation). I was getting connected to many peers and was getting disconnected continuously. The software was taking too much memory, Its Programed in Python, so a little big and a bit laggy. I don’t think one essentially needs to have a channel to seed to other tribler users, but I don’t care, right now. They released a new version which I installed, after removing the first one. I got an error, so I reinstalled again, after deleting the application data folder. It worked. But I noticed that the ‘collected torrents folder’ was not at the specified destination, instead it was on the desktop, but after several hours, they released version 5.5.17, which they said, will fix this error, but after deleting the application data and installing the new version, I was still unable to seed and build reputation in the p2p network, and the ‘collected torrents folder’ was still being created on my desktop (region for that folder to be created is explained in their forum). Due to my exam, I wouldn’t be able to download anything for about a month, so I uninstalled Tribler_5.5.17, and I hope they would release a new version in a month which would fix both of my problems.

    I think Niels Zeilemaker, Dr. Ir. Johan Pouwelse and every other people behind this project are sent by GOD to do the biggest good work, ever done by the Homo sapiens (Humans). Think. If somehow, they contact the wikileaks and integrate it in there Tribler, no one (even the government) would ever be able to censor the data. Then in the later version If they will remove the home button from Tribler and replace it with the ‘News’ button, with search option on the top, People would be able to view the latest wikileaks. The whole pirate bay can be compressed to 90mb file, wikileaks have got about 20,000 articles, I don’t think the texts of those articles would take more than 100mb. The ‘news home page’ of tribler would consist of all kind of sorting options like ‘by dates’, ‘by relevance’, etc. The text below the search bar at the top of the page would tell its users to rate at least ’10 rated’ and ’10 unrated’ news articles, it would change the way people think about the word ‘news’. The government officials would not get enough time to sue the Tribler users (called Tribes), since their party would be in great trouble due to scandals, meanwhile, Tribler would get even more famous than bittorent or facebook, since, BBC world news (I’m sure) would keep discussing about it, even if political puppet news channels would not (Like ‘Aaj Tak’ in my country India), meanwhile, more tribes would join the p2p (people to people) network using Tribler.

    If in India or Iraq (or any other country) a guy, his wife and his kids, gets raped by some bad people (like politicians or their sons, you know what I am saying) and lets say he kept a secret hidden camera and microphone in his house, and after he complains, the government doesn’t responds, then, instead of joining a terrorist group and attacking World Trade Center, he would join another group, secretly running internet, instead of a-k-47, and upload all his proofs of incident (censored using adb afreffects which is easily available in Tribler, since, he wouldn’t want the world to see his wife getting…), Some people, who would be looking for some (at least 10, as explained before) unrated news articles in Tribler, would find it, rate it, tell their friend ‘Tribes’ to rate it and in only few days, since, the news is important, everyone would know about the incident, and no one would be able to jerk off (thanks to adb afreffects).

    The future p2p (people to people) social network (or social tool) comprising ‘Tribes’, getting connected with each other using their client Tribler, would not create a virtuality where people tag each other in pictures. The profile would be stored in the ‘collected torrents’ like folder. Now suppose a person X is downloading drk kniht, he finds some of the “Tribes’s” ip addresses who are downloading the same thing, he would open their profile which would appear in a fraction of a second since only text transfer would occur, no HTML shit, send them a ‘Tribe Friend’ request which would be different from friend request, since, people will have few friends and family members in their profile compared to the number of ‘Tribe Friends’, and since, the Tribes would be online (obviously), they would accept it. Now if that person X gets a DVD release of drk kniht rises, he would first start uploading the data to a category of Tribes named ‘drk kniht downloaders’ under ‘Tribe Friends’ section who downloaded drk kniht. Then, the tribes who will get the data, would upload it to their trusted friends. When it would reach a certain number of trusted tribes, the core Tribe (Person X) would allow seeding it to every other tribe, along with every other Trusted Tribe, government can’t sue lakhs of users at once, swift protocol would make it even more easier. Now one of the trusted ‘Tribe Friend’ could be the producer of the drk kniht…think, its very simple to solve this problem, can’t be mentioned here…., just think…

    Now, the most important problem for you guys,i.e., anonymity…
    The mystery is hidden in the history, which is encrypted. Swift or whatever protocol they are working on, is great, but, meanwhile, one thing they can do is to make the file library created by Tribler ‘encrypted’. When Tribler would run the first time, the user (Tribe) would have to enter a code made by him (assume ‘code a’), just like password. After entering that code, Tribler would encrypt its source code. Then the user (Tribe) would have to enter another two codes made by him (assume ‘code b’ and ‘code c’).

    Just like folderlock, when Tribler would open, it would ask the user (Tribe) ‘Passcode’, and the Tribe would have the option to enter any of the three ‘Codes’ in his mind (which are ‘code a’, ‘code b’ and ‘code c’ ). If the Tribe enters code b, the client (Tribler) would run and the tribe would see the ‘home news page’. Then, he can search for the news or the file he wants to download or stream.

    Now, if the Tribe is doing shit somewhere and some government officials gets inside his room and tries to search his computer, they would find nothing, except a big hidden file which is only accessible through Tribler. Then the government officials would go to the nuns shower room and would bring the tribe back to his room. They would force the tribe to enter the passcode to open the library. Instead of entering ‘code b’ the tribe would enter ‘code c’ and the whole library would be deleted and an empty one would open, and thus, by proving himself guilty, the tribe will j*zz all over the government officials. Man, I loved ‘A Very Harold & Kumar 3D Christmas’.
    Those who have used folderlock, knows that when it is opened, it creates an entire new virtual drive, and if the user deletes everything inside it, the size of the original encrypted file (acting as virtual drive) remains big. So even when the Tribe’s all the data is gone and he is saved from prison, government officials would not bring up the question that why the encrypted file shrank, because it would not shrunk. In folderlock’s case, this is a headache for its users, but in this case, it would help the Tribe too much.

    In the future (about 2 or 3 years from now, I have no idea), everyone’s internet connection would have ‘ATLEAST’ 2.5 Mbit/s download rate and 2.5 Mbit/s upload rate with a very nice network ping which is enough to play 720p hd videos. Then broadcasters like sky would love to stream their content live using p2p because they will get an accurate number of viewers viewing their content, and since the contents would be live it would contain ads, which would help sky, in making money.
    Directors or producers of a movie or tv series or a sports event, would not become millionaires by making sky broadcast their content, but still due to ads, they will make quit good money. And people who are making sky broadcast their product’s ad, will make money too and would be able to know (LIVE) how many people are watching their product’s ad.
    So, Sky would be happy, Directors and producers would be happy (not too much, but they would be able to provide uncensored content, if sky stops them, they will contact the Owners of products to make a contract about their ads, would announce to all fans of their Tribler profile the TIME & DATE of their content release and use their own Tribler client to live stream that content)

    So, if people are getting… :-

    ->Uncensored news with user rated live stream video (no one cares if the live stream is even 10 minutes late, if it is free)

    ->Uncensored user rated text news with images (images would appear a few seconds late on low bandwidth connection, through not in future)

    ->Uncensored Streaming of live sports with ads (but free)

    ->Uncensored movies, which would make the directors show their full talent, without any social and political bound.

    ->Uncensored tv series, which would, also, make the directors show their full talent, without any social and political bound.

    ->Books Rated by the Tribes (users) (Due to ipads and other pads and kindle, future generations would not show any interest in hardbound books)

    ->Music rated by the Tribes (imagine, just searching in the Tribler’s ‘News Home Page”s search button the name of the music file, Magic search bundles the result, and you can stream it, as if it is in your own hard drive)

    ->I am definitly forgeting some things…THINK…

    -…their life would get easier, and always remember, if you are downloading a book to view in your kindle or ipad or any other pad… you are saving a tree from getting transformed into a hardbound book.

    Currently all of us are slaves of our government (except the countries having Citizen’s ombudsman Bill) but a social tool, this strong, can bring end to this… Government seeing millions of people’s ip addresses in a ‘Citizen’s ombudsman Bill Fan Channel or something’, and big-big scandals making the community more and more strong would scare them a lot, possibly every country would then have a Citizen’s ombudsman Bill…
    Me and many others would then be able to show the world, how corrupt Indian education system is….

    Delft University is building many projects and have succeeded in a lot of them, One of their project (like Tribler) is a new type of signal which has already been made by them called Ultra Wide Band (UWB). If they succeed in making this signal available to the common citizens (which they eventually will) this signal would revolutionize the p2p community, because everyone (in near future) would have a touch phone, touch pad and a ‘big touchscreen’, people would be able to share data using their Tribler client which would be integrated in all of the three devices, and thanks to that signal, everyone would be able to share data at at least 2.5 Mbit/s download and upload rate. I don’t know much about Ultra Wide Band (UWB) but from their website, it seems like every device that I mentioned, using that signal, would be able to connect to each other, just like they now do using Bluetooth, but on a larger radius of about some miles.

    In future, if they would integrate their other projects into Tribler, like ‘Open Course Ware’, no student of any education system would have to buy any books, instead, he or she would use Tribler integrated in there ‘big screen’ kindle or any other (non electronic-ink) pad like ipad to download and read them.
    Here are some info about them…
    http://home.tudelft.nl/en/current/dossiers/archive/ultra-wide-band/
    http://home.tudelft.nl/en/current/dossiers/archive/tribler/
    http://home.tudelft.nl/en/current/dossiers/archive/open-course-ware/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXWMhreGiAU

    Any true artist would never want a digital art to be copyrighted. I think, Leonardo da vinci’s soul would never want his Portrait of Mona Lisa or The Last Supper to be removed from the internet. Art is not money. When computer was made, many clerks from banks and other areas got fired, since computer was doing there work, people criticized computers (I am talking about India ryt now, dunno if same thing happened in the other countries), but if those people would not have got fired, no ATM would have been made and economic growth would have been zero compared to today. So many people will loose their jobs because of this technology, but eventually they will learn, and their ‘next generation’ would focus on study, instead or alongside of making film or music or both. Plus, they would use the term ‘share’, instead of ‘download’ and ‘upload’. p2p (people to people) information sharing is the holy grail guys, ‘they’ knew someday our brains will discover it…

    Each and every line I wrote here are my own thoughts which can be proved completely wrong by the government freaks, so torrent freaks, instead of proving me wrong, invent your own ideas, from the help of my ideas, and always remember that p2p, which was once considered as a nerdy stuff, is the future (since, nerds have, at least, a higher order thinking brains, in my opinion, like our ‘next generations’)…You guys should spread the information mentioned here, everywhere just for the sake of humanity and for a better future for our next generations…

    Sorry for the bad English guys. I am from Muzaffarpur, Bihar, India, and I don’t think any one has heard about Tribler here in my atleast 1000 mile radius.
    It is unbelievable that all these thoughts came in my mind in about 45 mins, just after reading about Tribler for about 5 or 10 mins…
    If you guys liked my post, you can follow me on twitter @kAnIsQ7

    Jai Hanuman… JAI HANUMAN

    • kAnIsQ

      Sorry, I was too high when I posted this…

      Everyone, who wants World Peace, go to this link

      http://forum.tribler.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1809

      and learn the only way to know the truth about corruption and the only way to stop it…

      • Nope

        …you still high?

        • KAnIsQ7

          yeah I was… sorry.

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    This is the worst article I’ve ever read in my life. It’s completely misinformed and misleading. It’s not “impossible to shut off” without “turning off the Internet”… it’s called PORT BLOCKING. Also, all torrents are decentralized – that’s the entire purpose of them. Greab job! **APPLAUSE** Maybe you should rename your site “misinformed freaks”.

    • KAnIsQ

      There is another thing called ‘Port Forwarding’ moron.

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    Well what tracker dose it pull from ? is the question it may be good if u can pull from the right group of release ..an shit

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    Isn’t this how Kazza used to work in the old days? Search was decentralized peer-to-peer, and users could specify if they wanted to be a super-peer and help with search results.

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  • madheadBANGer666

    I’m gonna give it a try. hidemyass.com is a great tool to surf anonymously.  So if I can combine tribler and hma, The liberal freaks are never gonna find me.

    HAPPY TORRENTING!!!

  • pitch pine

    This looks good. Now I just need an automated way to add magnet links/.torrent files.

    Can’t wait for the Pirate Party’s answer to this software.

  • http://joshesforchange.wordpress.com/ Josh C

    It is very clear to me that you did not read this article in full, because if you did, you’d realize that they were reporting that Dodd was saying that about the anti-SOPA/PIPA movements, not about the RIAA. The Torrent Freak guys were just pointing out the fact that his very own watch-dog society uses misinformation all the time as a dirty tactic.

  • Anon

    that’s why i said the headline was misleading. but even in the article, Ernesto never puts the quote in context. All he says is “Indeed, in a sick twist RIAA’s boss accuses the tech lobby of foul play.” Ernesto’s being deliberately misleading. if that isn’t misinformation, i don’t know what is.

    Again, i completely agree with the fact that MPAA and RIAA consistently use misinformation, and that it’s super hypocritical of them to say that.

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