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US “Six Strikes” Anti-Piracy Scheme Will Roll Out Gradually

More than a year after the MPAA and RIAA announced their groundbreaking anti-piracy deal with U.S. Internet providers, the first warning letters are yet to be sent out. Previously, July 2012 was coined as the start date but the responsible parties are still not ready to launch. While TorrentFreak has learned that various ISPs will start the implementation at different times, it remains a mystery which company will be spying on filesharers.

casSomewhere in the near future the Center for Copyright Information (CCI) will start to track down online ‘pirates’ as part of an agreement all major US Internet providers struck with the MPAA and RIAA.

The parties agreed on a system through which copyright infringers are warned that their behavior is unacceptable. After five or six warnings ISPs may then take a variety of repressive measures, including temporary disconnections.

When the deal was first announced in July last year the first ISPs were expected to send out the initial warnings before the end of 2011. But this deadline passed silently, as did the July 2012 date subsequently mentioned in the press.

TorrentFreak contacted CCI for an update, and the group ensured us that they’re working hard to get things up and running as soon as possible.

“With regards to timing, CCI is rigorously working towards implementing the Copyright Alert System in a way that is consistent with the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) and with the needs of subscribers,” a spokesperson told us.

The CCI now hopes that the first ISPs will begin sending warnings later this year. However, the group also made it clear that providers will roll out the alert system at their own pace.

“We expect our implementation to begin later this year, with each of the ISPs launching at potentially overlapping but different times. We do not intend to launch until we are confident that the program is consumer friendly and able to be implemented in a manner consistent with all of the goals of the MOU.”

Exactly why the roll-out has been delayed remains unanswered, but such a massive delay suggests that not everything went as planned.

Another question we’ve asked numerous times – which company will be hired to track BitTorrent users – also remains unanswered. All we got back was a comment that CCI is not ready to announce who will “evaluate” the identification technologies.

“At this time, CCI is not ready to announce the experts we will use to evaluate the methodologies used by the content owners and ISPs to identify alleged piracy and deliver notices to the right consumers,” the CCI spokesperson told TorrentFreak.

The above suggests that the company that does the tracking might not be made public at all. This might be a deliberate choice to prevent protest actions, but it certainly doesn’t add to the transparency of the scheme.

Meanwhile, TorrentFreak is getting reports from VPN providers who have seen a significant uptick in new subscribers from the US. Presumably, a large percentage of these new subscribers are signing in anticipation of the “six strikes” scheme.

Although the measures that will be imposed by Internet providers are not that scary, there is a worrying backdoor built into the deal which allows the MPAA and RIAA to request personal details of repeat infringers for legal action.

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  • thedude321

    The American government is going to spend millions on this stupid project, basically trying to conform people to an old way of thinking. Don’t they have anything better to do? I dunno like healthcare, pensions, small business…I thought the US was in a crisis right now. If money is wasted on these stupid MAFIAA projects, then the real projects that need to be undertaken will be ignored.

    • Anyone

      it’s not the government, the CCI is founded by the RIAA and MPAA, with the ISP also paying for it.

      it’s still incredibly stupid that this non sense gets any sort of priority these days, but that’s corruption for you

      • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

        Well as the economy falls to bits and bankers take further control they will need control over all channels of communication (to censor).

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          They will NEVER get that kind of control over the internet, to be blunt and final on the subject. If they tried, someone would just release another tool like TOR which would make the ‘censorship’ moot.

    • FrostyC

      You’re looking at this the wrong way. When mom and pop businesses, corporations and regular joes alike see that their internet is being disconnected or throttled because someone downloaded “Britney Spears – Hit Me Baby One More Time.wma” SHIT WILL HIT THE FAN and it will be war.

      • exactly

        Cant beat the system —- break it.

        with ipv6 multicast being built as part of ipv6, we may have a chance of making sure, lot’s of people have been seen downloading “Britney Spears – Hit Me Baby One More Time.wma”.

        We can make shit hit the fan.

        • Anonon

           IPv6 has been halted since they cannot see what you are doing, as of now the only way that you get found is by the .torrent file, or the packet headers of unencrypted packets.  with IPv6 there is no way for any middle man to get any info other than the hardware address of  where it is going.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

        Nah, too dramatic.  People are just going to start using VPNs as well as going to libraries to do the same thing they did before.

        Further, we have a history lesson here.  Hadopi.  It didn’t work.  That’s why Sarkozi lost.  So why does Obama support this?

        Guess who’s funding his campaign?

        • Obama- Romney-same system

          Both sides are corrupt.
          Media corps give MOSTLY to democrats. ( $122 million last year )( 70 / 30 split )
          They don’t care about politics… they pay to get results.
          It’s a lot more complex than just lobbying. There is also the revolving door, blunders, Pacs, super pacs , election donations etc….

          The republicans are just as corrupt.
          Obama is a drop in the ocean.

           

        • john doe

          “People are just going to start using VPNs”

          I can’t believe you guys are still suggesting this.
          Average joe has no money to buy any VPN, he doesn’t even know what it is.

          This “hide my ass” attitude will only make you lose time, and soon you’ll see laws requiring your VPN to hand out info, just like ISPs, and then it will be too late.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @bd064d71e9cd26264978b6d9d6c7f93b:disqus 

          “I can’t believe you guys are still suggesting this.
          Average joe has no money to buy any VPN, he doesn’t even know what it is.”

          In Sweden around 2006 when the first mass surveillance law was implemented there were 20,000 people/entities using VPN regularly. 2009 the number of people using VPN had risen to an estimated 400,000.

          This year, three years after that, there are an estimated 700,000 people using VPN in Sweden. These numbers are still rising with no sign of slowing down.

          So…when an estimated 10% of the online community uses VPN and other anonymization agents you say “Average joe” has no clue? That’s a pretty big fallacy. And judging from the explosive surge of VPN providers it isn’t likely to remain “unknown” for most people for much longer.

          “This “hide my ass” attitude will only make you lose time, and soon you’ll see laws requiring your VPN to hand out info, just like ISPs, and then it will be too late.”

          Unlikely given that most modern VPN’s actually work out of other countries than the one you are in. Even if by some miracle you managed to swing an international treaty around this fact (such as ACTA – we all know how well that went) it is quite feasible to make torrent clients make use of onion/garlic routing which means anyone of a hundred million people might be the VPN you are looking for.

          If you need to spend resources equivalent to tracking down terrorists just in order to track filesharers then those “laws” you refer to are completely useless.

          Oh, and by the way? A monthly subscription to a VPN goes for around 5-10 USD – so if you can even afford an internet connection at all, odds are you can afford the VPN as well.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

        War? Over your internet connection? L O L ~ ! 

        • Guest

          He isn’t referring to HIS connection, but that of a major foreign embassy. Go re-read his post. 

        • Mwhahaha

          Ya ‘The Angry Birds Revolution’ it will be known as.

          This is a country who went to war over taxing tea, so clearly petty fuckers ;)

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

          He’s talking about Britney Spears. And ‘regular joes’.

        • Guest

          Yep war. This is not about an internet connection it is about corporations who took over our govs and are fucking up our economy and our society.
          Yes War. If some of these corporate parasites lawyers, financial fucks or bankers die in the process I guess they deserve it. After all the started this.

        • Desu1

          I dunno. This might get 35-yr old virgin schizos out of their momma’s basement when shit gets shut off and the MPAA will end up being on the news for a really bad reason. 

        • john doe

          I don’t see the fun. The anti-SOPA movement was pretty much a kind of “war” to me, and it worked.

      • Mordred Prump

        DISCONNECT MY INTERNET? NO MORE PORNHUB? SHIT WILL HIT TEH FAN AND THERE WILLBE WAR AND BLAH BLAH BLAH ALL CAPS AND BOLD BITCHES DIS IS SERIOUS WAR TALK! WAR I TELL YOU WAR!

        .
        .
        The Internet ==> Serious. Business.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

          Without ever peeling your fat, pimply ass cheeks from your parent’s deskchair. LOL.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Not to rain on your sarcasm parade, but did you check what happened over SOPA?

          Or, for that matter, the crap that went down over wikileaks?

          Not all wars are fought with bullets.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

        You don’t mention Foreign Embassies in this entire post.

      • guess

         funny will be the RIAA’s and MPAA’s ISPs start “warning, that their behavior is unacceptable. After five or six
        warnings ISPs may then take a variety of repressive measures, including
        temporary disconnections.” RIAA and MPAA are still privately owned companys subject to the same laws as everyone else :) so it will be funny seeing people spoof their IPs so their ISPs send the riaa/mpaa warning notices lol. as the guy below posted “can’t beat the system —- break it.”

    • Mat_t

      actually, I wish they’d roll it out already so we can get the monopoly lawsuits rolling as this is straight up antitrust/monopoly abuse. As much as I hate the plan which isn’t even implement-able it’ll simply make the RIAA and MPAA less relevant than they are today once the courts have a look at this agreement.

      • Sherman

        Monopoly is right … it’s an agreement between NBC Comcast Universal and itself. The Sherman Act was supposed to prohibit content producers from owning the distribution outlets specifically to stop things like this.

    • http://twitter.com/MirceaKitsune Mircea Kitsune

       They don’t care. Harassing internet users and refusing to understand what the internet is and how it works is most important for them. I hope the US government burns to the ground, and all those insane companies that are making it into a dictatorship.

    • Dilmacusao

      and after that they TPB will encrypt everything making all this thing useless
      lol and RIAA MPAA

    • JordanKratz

       It is the MAFIAA who are behind this but we all know there is a big money trail from MAFIAA To the Government.

  • Anonymous

     it makes no difference really which company does the spying. they will have nothing different as evidence than has been used before. trouble is, that evidence will be believed as well as taken as true and nothing any accused individual says or does will stop them being prosecuted. fucking entertainment industries ought to keep their music and movies completely to themselves, selling physical media only. i wonder how long it would be before they were pleading to have their media made available for sale on the internet?

  • VandoMando

    lol, the Unites States really does crack me up sometimes lol.
    Need-Anon.tk

  • PJBrens

    Obama signed a bill for the U.S. government to be able to take over the internet completely in case of emergency. Backdoors will be mandatory in hardware and software.

    • Anon1

      lol, I wonder what falls under the definition of “emergency” – “oh noes! A cat is stuck in a tree! Time to take over the internet!”

      • Fantastic

        Bet its somehow tied to his poll numbers and other shady dealings. Doubt its a coincidence they keep pushing propganda trying to get people to fear their neighbors and paint terrorist as white and domestic, 

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Uh, fantasic…… there ARE just as many Domestic terrorists as foreign terrorists. The domestic terrorists are just called ‘mass murderers’ while the foreign terrorists are called ‘terrorists’.

          It’s a play of words.

        • Mordred Prump

          It’s mind boggling how many people, apparently, don’t know the difference between ‘mass murder’ and ‘terrorism’. Fucking depressing, how stupid people are online. I console myself with the thought that they’re probably 13.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004049924513 Finnian Ryan

          Ignoring the difference between a mass murderer and a terrorist. I think the point is if a suicidal murderer also got control of a plane he would have no issue smashing it into the twin towers. In most cases where people who do things like that, we have no idea who they are or why they are doing it. Since we don’t know their actual motives, any person who kills many people could be said to be doing it to create terror in people and hence be labelled a terrorist. And that’s why there is the difference of interpretation of terrorist and freedom fighter in my opinion.

          Another big problem in interpretation is the idea of war. From the footage of US soldiers from wikileaks and other stuff I have seen and read about it would seem at least a large minority of US soldiers terrorise the Afghans and Iraqis, however since they have this legitimacy of ‘the war on terror’ behind them it is excused by the government. But because the rebels in these countries have no government or legitimacy behind them from our perspective they are terrorists, however for some who think they are fighting against the invaders they are actually seen as freedom fighters.

          I am in no way saying all terrorists are just misunderstood. I think a large amount of the them (especially the initial ones) would be evil zealot bastards. However since the invasion of countries by the US, many might have been roped into the war to fight for their country, even if the terrorist cause behind them was bad we can’t blindly label them as terrorists. They are soldiers. Just like in WWII the soldiers of the German Army were excused because they were soldiers fighting for the legitimacy of their government, even if there government was evil Nazi bastards, we don’t label the German soldiers as Nazis. 

          Because we are right in the moment, most people only have one perspective to look from just like in WWII. But as history looks back on these modern wars with many perspectives available, I think a similar conclusion will be drawn to what we did of Germany in WWII.

    • Guest

      How exactly would America take control of the internet??

      • Anyone

        many root servers are in the US
        but if that happens there are ways to route around it, the US would just become an Intranet

        • Fantastic

           And governments ideal of the great American firewall will be complete

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

          Damn ye, Australia! Why you trying to make the rest of the world censored like youooo!!!?

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Anyone, it’s VERY easy to set up root servers around the world so that the United States cannot try to ‘take control of it’. As to the United States becoming an intranet, not while the American populace still has the right to keep and bear arms.

    • Ttt

       if it is created in us (a) but presumably only in us territory and not (a) which usa tries to control the world.

    • Guest

       Not a bill, when congress considered giving the executive branch emergency powers to shut off the internet, they voted against it.  Several months later, that is, this week, Obama wrote an executive order which claims that even without congressional approval, he already had that power, and ordered ISPs to give the DHS the power to control the internet in an emergency.  So, in effect, this gives the DHS nearly unlimited control over the internet, with no oversight, provided they claim that it is an emergency.

      Man I wish I had a better choice to vote for.  Obama has been awful constitutionally, Romney says if elected he’ll stop being a pussy and giving prisoners any constitutional rights, and Ron Paul seems like a racist leprechaun who found and Ayn Rand book.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Someone needs to challenge that executive order in a court of law. It would be like Obama saying that newspapers have to shut down ‘in event of emergency’, which numerous legal scholars have said no President can do.

  • http://technuts.spruz.com/ FatGiant

    Quote:”We do not intend to launch until we are confident that the program is consumer friendly”

    What exactly is the definition of “friendly” here? Something designed and built upon the idea that consumers are criminals that need “correction” and “education” because they consume what they want instead of what is fed to them. The only way to make this “consumer friendly” is to not launch it at all.

    • Anyone

      it just means they haven’t quite figured out what lie to tell

    • Wallace

      “Please don’t send data to other people over the Internet. It makes our investors devalue our company because they claim we’re leaving profits on the table and it is therefore thefytheft.”

    • TinHatMan

      Consumer = Big Gov
      Product = We, The People

      • Mordred Prump

        Middle Man = Greys

  • wcg

    How many Internet users in France have been nailed with the 3 strikes rule? Hadopi has been a bust has it not? The industry is convinced its reduced piracy but I think people have hidden their tracks better.

    Given reasonable precautions (such as private tracker usage, perhaps even VPN use) what are the chances of getting nailed with this? I know it’s always possible to figure out who downloaded something given enough effort but I suspect they will target the low hanging fruit – say Pirate Bay users downloading big budget films.

    • Anyone

      if you use a VPN (and the VPN doesn’t sell you out like HideMyAss does) the chances of being caught are zero
      all the CCI sees from you is encrypted traffic to the VPN

      • tonyj

         I wonder if any new technology allows for easier collection of ip address when ISPs use deep packet inspection

      • Rekrul

        Even if a VPN service doesn’t keep logs, can’t they be forced by court order to track a user in real-time? For example, they get served with an order that they have to cooperate, law enforcement sees someone doing something they don’t like, they call up the VPN and say “Tell us who is using this IP address right now!”, the VPN checks the system and turns over the name and account details of the person that IP address is currently connected to.

        Or am I misunderstanding how VPNs work and they don’t have the ability to match the publicly displayed IP address with the subscriber using it?

        • Guest

          No this is not how it’s work. They would have to bug the VPN to get any customer IP info. And if the VPN service is well made such as iPredator there is actually a network of encrypted VPN and proxies so that  even identifying the VPN host is hard.

          Do you know that even the companies hosting instances of the pirate bay does not know what they are hosting? Hehe!

        • john doe

          Yes, this is how it works. Of course they have the ability to match it, they own the infrastructure and are not stupid! Those guys need this info even for maintenance. However, some people here think VPNs “can’t know” who’s using their services.

          Ask yourself this question:

          WHAT VPN on earth will want to be taken as accomplice in case serious shit is done using their service? 

          Ok, if the VPN won’t sell you out over a copyright case, that’s one thing, and it’s what’s expected.

          But to go as far as saying there’s “no way to find out”, sorry, I can’t go for that one.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Not quite, Rekrul. There is the whole ‘crossing over international borders’ thing that you have to think about here.

          An order for monitoring if the person being monitored is in X country and the monitoring order is done in Y country would be illegitimate and unenforceable.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @415256fdb701e556072e02953ed4c2d9:disqus 

          A smart VPN would purposefully set up their service so they can’t know who has connected or for what purpose other than billing.

          Mainly because if the VPN is in a position to know they are not only in a position to snoop, they are also in violation of their own ToS.

          If they don’t know, they have plausible deniability. If they do, they haven’t. In the eyes of the law there’s a major difference. The post office and most messenger services in general operate according to a similar principle.

          @bd064d71e9cd26264978b6d9d6c7f93b:disqus 

          “WHAT VPN on earth will want to be taken as accomplice in case serious shit is done using their service?”

          No one. Which is why any VPN provider with two brain cells to knock together takes great pains to ensure as much of their customer’s doings as possible is impossible to read even for the VPN provider itself.

          Again, similar to how ANY messenger service must operate.

    • Lakisha

       tpb items were promoted by cnet and so were megaupload videos and rapidshare files. To go after users is hipocracy when they posted screenshots of how to get pirate material and what to use, the same corp pushing for internet control. Microsoft was a heavy investor in bittorrent also. Tpb items are linked on other sites, so it is possible to not ever know your files are linked on tpb by choosing another site and since torrents were made for ease of use and redundancy should some sites go down, its all interconnected so to single out tpb a user and a file its technically wrong as they are picked up on other sites, links, search engines, blogs, etc

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  • http://twitter.com/Naja_Hannah Naja Hannah

    This continues to be ridiculous. I mean, The Memorandum of Understanding?! Add that one to the Newspeak dictionary. 

  • tonyj

    It took the U.S. 50 years to realize they were loosing the drug war.

    • mmm but

      Actions suggest that they still haven’t learned anything.

    • Jorge_C

       Losing suggests there was a way to win in the first place. The war on drugs never has or will reach its intended goal. Its just a money sink that law enforcement agencies around the country love to take advantage of.

    • theonlyone

       I believe the intention of the US government is not to really win any war. It is to prolong war. As with any war banks & other corporations make huge profits from it. They pay taxes, bribes and contributions to government. In this manner the corrupt always win.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

      And yet, Marijuana is more decriminalized here than in many other European countries, (Sweden for example) and certainly more than many other places. Not sure where all the US hate is coming from. 50% of the damn internet are fat Americans in trailer parks. lol.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

        Simply untrue. The % internet use at least. Asia is about 44%. At least via this source: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm

        • Desu1

          People think Americans make up most of the Internet because the US does make up a large portion of the ENGLISH SPEAKING Internet. But get into other languages and the Americans disappear. 

        • Jjj

           Desu, the internet is considered primarly language english, as the most percent of population speak english designed for the internet or the internets design.

    • Todo

      in federal prisons in us, 51% of population is in there for drug charges, and w33d is still illigal, even though it could fix the world.

      • Mordred Prump

        Nice link, thanks. Nothing will ‘fix the world’. Step away from the gravity bong, bro.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

        You have your numbers wrong. I mean, the War n Drugs has mainly failed. But 51%? What orifice did you pull that number out of? Not 50! Not 52…no, that’d be ridiculous….51..yeah, that sounds believable. Just a shade over 50.

        • Prisoner

          The drug numbers are way way off. In prisons in the US, federal and state, (not jails but prisons) about 20% are in for drug RELATED offenses. About 8 percent are in for drugs. (Almost all for pushing) and less than, one half of one percent for using.)

          The 20% drug related comes in for things like you are on parole, your original crime was for theft. In virtually all cases of parole, part of the conditions for release is abstaining from drugs and alcohol. This makes it very easy to send you back to jail if the cops get suspicious. So a guy is on parole for theft and some robberies happen in his area. The cops are pretty sure it’s this parolee but can’t prove it. They then get him for smoking some weed and toss him back in prison. See? He’s now in jail for a drug related offense. But not really. 

          In reality virtually no one cops a sentence for first time use and very few for repeated uses only. Pushers yes, users almost never

          Of course the pushers say they only use

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Way too low, Prisoner. In Maryland, they estimated that 80% of people in prison in the United States are in jail for drug crimes or crimes related to the drug trade that most likely wouldn’t have existed if the drug trade was legal (murder for hire connected to the drug trade, drug dealing, etc.).

    • Guest

      Just like in terrorism… there is no real enemy. No nobody wins. It’s all about money!

  • ScrewEwe2

    I’m not in favor of any “backdoor” action by the MPAA or RIAA. If I’m gonna get fucked, I don’t want them deciding how, when, and where.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

      So, how would you like to get fucked?

      • ScrewEwe2

        69 would be fine as a starter, as long as she’s not a fat smelly farter.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

          fat smelly farters need love, too.

  • Vincent Giannell

    I’m sure a lot people will add complaints about this scheme and force the guys who started it to drop it or they’ll sue.

  • kunal sanghvi

    Try to spy all you want..you ain’t getting shit from my VPN enabled Router! GTFO MPAA & RIAA 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

      lol, yeah dood, youre completely anonymous. ha ha ha.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Unless someone’s installed a trojan on his computer, has usurped the VPN providers server’s, or has managed to crack modern encryption (in which case, all our bank accounts are history as well) then he is at the very least “fairly” anonymous.

        To the point where it will take the feds as much effort to investigate him as it would take for them to bust up a major spy ring or finding Osama Bin Laden.

        To nail even a hardcore filesharer that’s resources well beyond the definition of “reasonable”, no matter which way you slice it.

  • FLEX

    I DONT GET THIS AMERICA DOSE NOT LIKE BEING SPYED ON WHAT AND WHO GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO SPY ON EVERY ONE ELES

  • Elasbett3

    shit how funny the world is made , the six strikes still did not start in US while in EU people are being fucked for a long time with similar scheme ,
    MPAA and RIA are US companies , that’s a full non sense.

    • Duke

       As far as I know, only France has an n-strikes scheme, the “Hadopi” law, which has been running for a couple of years now, but seems to have been a complete failure (depending on who you ask). The EU has generally be opposed to these sorts of laws, and the only other country that I know of that has one is the UK. But the UK version isn’t expected to start until at least 2014, with the “technical measures” at least 18 months after that.

      • Guest

        It’s not in the EU but New Zealand has had a 3 strikes system for a few years too only the copyright holders have to pay the ISPs about $10 (iirc) for each warning letter sent so it’s only ever used sparingly for music that has recently been released.

  • Vincent Giannell

     ”The above suggests that the company that does the tracking might not be
    made public at all. This might be a deliberate choice to prevent protest
    actions.”

    Yeah right. No matter what they say about this, nothing can prevent protest actions.

  • Steve

    If you have a dynamic IP, will you be punished if the previous customer received strikes? Or does it reset after a period of time, like every year?

    Usenet + NZBs forever.

    • Anyone

      since the IP address is not a reliable evidence you could very well be wrongfully charged

      but they’ll happily take your $20 just so you can refute those claims

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        I see that 20 dollars being challenged in a court of law almost instantly. It should cost nothing for the customer to challenge one of these notices.

        Goes totally against the presumption of ‘innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW’ as well.

    • PJBrens

      In the future you can’t go online or use your mobile phone without a biometric digital passport. You’ll be responsible if you let somebody else online with your credentials.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Never going to happen, to be blunt. Americans and the world community as a whole love our right to anonymity too much.

        • PJBrens

          Don’t count on it. Here in the Netherlands we’ve seen how public opinion can change over less than 15 years over things that once were out of the question. Nowadays you cannot leave home without a passport, police can search you at will, the state has access to your bank account, and every site you visit, who you e-mailed and your smartphone location is logged. And why? Because of ‘safety’, while there is no difference. Because of ‘terrorism’ while in the seventies the threat was much higher and we actually had multiple assaults and hostage situations. Back in the seventies a mandatory ID and spying upon people and searching without a warrant was something that only happened in communist countries and under dictators. Not here. Never. Well…

    • Jane Doe

      No the ISP knows who is using who.

      Let’s say you’re John Doe and your IP is 555.xxx.xxx 

      The ISP knows that on this date at this time, it was assigned to John Doe.

      If a month later that 555.xxx.xxx is switched to another user, say Jane Smith, the ISP knows when the switch happened.

  • Zog2012

    Will the CCI or the ISP’s monitor cyberlocker transfers under the 6 strikes agreement, or does it only pertain to bittorrent?

    • Qax

       keep up, see prev articles, and no

    • Mordred Prump

      yes.

  • Andrew me

    I know it is sci-fi sounding but is there not a way to do burst technology where you download a mp3 and the sound is actually 1 gb of data. SO when you have downloaded it a program can decode it and create a video file or photo album or  any file with info in it in fact.

    I know it sounds crazy but 5  minutes of audio that has 20 or 30 or even hundreds of channels of data inside it could easily carry many gigs of data.

    or how about connecting to a site and having it send highly compressed audio with filed embedded in it. If this has to happen then transferring data would be much quicker and it could be hidden in legal files.

    • Jjj

       depends on where u get it from

    • john doe

      Seems like a paradox. The audio stream made of bits itself, it’s no magic stream. And compression has limits too.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      As has been said, there are limits to compression. And an audio stream is actually of very low bandwidth. In the end you will always know how much was downloaded in form of raw data.

      Mind you if said data was encrypted and padded it would be damn hard to say whether what you just downloaded was a bunch of movies, the last three versions of, say, Ubuntu…or whether you just synchronized the internal mailing list/BBS you run.

  • Riii

    So does it still only target torrents?
    Bet the delay is for them to be able to attack file locker downloads too.

    • Vincent Giannell

       Doubt it. They wouldn’t do that unless they want to get criticized by those who are against this scheme.

    • Wallace

      They can’t track file locker downloads. They’re just logging onto public torrent swarms and collecting the list of connected ISPs as “infringers.” Same as Youhavedownloaded.com did. You could do it right now. The delay is in building the databases to count how many you get – which I guess they weren’t doing before!

  • http://www.twitter.com/echoman74 echoman

    Lol holy shit a few weeks back they said on techdirt it started pffftt lmao. Oh well so this delay is so they can jack off to each other, Figures. Time to contact the eff and demandprogress. :)

  • Iamjustaguest

    Didnt they find that people at MPAA and sony music also downloaded music?  I believe they looked up the MPAA ip address at youhavedownloaded.com and found that they too are downloading music.  SO..will they be getting these letters?  Will they sue themselves when they get #6 in the mail?

    • Desu1

      They’ll just claim that the agreement with the record companies allows them to download for testing purposes. 

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        They already tried that one and a judge overseas (outside America) put the smackdown on them. I forget which country that was but I do know that argument was tried.

  • maffia plan will backfire

    3 strikes
    5 strikes
    new improved 6 strikes.

    The MAFFIA are really gonna hurt themselves with this anti-people shit.
    When the people knock them down, let’s show no mercy.
    They have thrown us in jail.
    They have ruined us financially.
    They are censoring the internet.
    They are making laws against peoples freedom.

    Every day,  more people learn to hate the MAFFIA.

     

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

      I’m a all for an end to ‘MAFFIA’, but you have to admit…6 strikes is a good deal more reasonable than a 74k fine. The battle is shifting and yet many here are shouting the same old slogans from last year. A shame. And dangerous to boot.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

        This is true. Support for file sharing has plummeted. Especially since they stopped the ridiculous fines against grandma. Time to regroup and reorganize.

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  • foff

    Two things:  I would pay $20 for a vpn before I would pay to dispute anything.  Second in areas where people can switch isp you will see a lot of isp swapping,

    • Desu1

      Can get them for $10 :D

  • BravoJ

    Question: Will they be targeting anyone who downloads ANY torrent, or only specific ones like movies/music/shows etc? Like will I get a warning letter for downloading an ubuntu disk through a torrent?

    • Anyone

      just specific swarms

      • HughMyronbrough

        So basically, if you go for a 200-seed Skyrim Torrent on TPB, you’re getting a warning for sure. But if you download an obscure EDM track through a private tracker, nothing happens?
        Also, what about legal P2P like downloading patches for games distributed by the developer?

        • Anyone

          it has to be watched to be noticed
          if that Skyrim swarm is watched it will collect your IP address (or that of your VPN ;))

          legal downloads are unlikely to be watched

          but again, the “evidence” is so weak that you likely will get notices even if you use your internet only for emails

        • BravoJ

           Thats just it, what if i get ubuntu FROM TPB? its still a legitimate download.

  • theonlyone

    “After five or six warnings ISPs may then take a variety of repressive measures, including temporary disconnections.”

    If my ISP decides to temporarily disconnect me, I will permanently disconnect my payments to them.

    • Desu1

      Same here. And a week later I will reconnect it under another name =/ 

      • Mordred Prump

        It’ll take longer than a week to clear the system, and they’ll keep track of you cross ISPs. Please, try and keep up.

    • Guest

      And then what? Where I live there is only one broadband provider and then there is dial up

  • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

    Vote with your dollars. Any ISP sends you a notice, cancel your business and go with someone who isn’t part of this little arrangement.  They’ll figure it out eventually.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

      Ding! This is it. I got a call a few years ago, over some bullshit torrent thing. The lady on the phone was very aggressive… until I suggested we just cancel my service and call it a day. Calmed her right the fuck down.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

    Totally on a side note: READING ONLINE HURTS MY EYES.
    Can’t wait until some lazy sob just reads their ‘article’ into a mic and posts the mp3 along with the text. THEN, and only then, will 99% of the people clicking on these article actually GET all the information you worked so hard to craft together.

    But hey, it’s just TF, right? Not like it’s a real news source that’s *inovative* with new tech online, oh like say I dunno, the entire media of mp3 and RIAA issue that we rail about? Her?

    • Anyone

      there are programs that will read text for you

      • Mordred Prump

        translate.google.com/ …in a pinch.

    • Yaho

       dumb ass, they already make this , you just have to add the bookmark to your bookmarks folder or toolbar, or click a button on a site. do your research before you criticize mafiaa troll

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

        Those services sound like shit though. Re-read his post, dicknose.

  • Mwhahaha

    If all you Yanks are getting pissed off about this, just be glad you’re not Russian this week.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

      Why?

      • Mordred Prump

        Not sure if that’s for filesharing sites (which, let’s face it mainly ‘harm’ the US) or just websites supposedly funded by outside groups. Either way, yes. Sucks to be Russian lately.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        I doubt they are going to ‘go’ anywhere. Putin likes to talk a big game, but he’s backed down numerous times in the past.

    • ScrewEwe2

      I’m glad I wasn’t Russian last week, or the week before that, or the week before that, or the week before that, or the week before that, or the week before that, or the week before that, or the week before that, or the week before that, or the week before that, or the week before that, or the week before that, or the week before that, or the week before that….

      Come to think about it, I’ve never been Russian. Some of those young Russian chicks are pretty hot, till they get older and fatter, then they are not, hot.

    • Desu1

      RUSSIA: Stop pirates. Protect pedophiles. 

  • Afronauts

    Adios Internet! Bronies and masses amount of stupidty run this society! *Cuts his cord*

  • Middle Brother

    Hilarious how they try to stop an avalanche with a plastic handbag.

    Oh, BTW… user>ISP>VPN>web page/content>VPN>ISP>user. VPN cannot protect you even with pptp encryption, start hacking your neighbor’s WEP/WPA.

    • Desu1

      It encrypts the connection so the ISP can’t snoop it. Yes, it can protect you for as long as the VPN provider has your interests at heart. But as we have seen in the past years, people sell out. 

      • Mordred Prump

        So basically, it’s a false sense of security. A payed for paper tiger that runs at the first sign of trouble. What the fuck?

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Assuming that they will ‘run at the first sign of trouble’. There are many VPN operators who have told the authorities to go suck a lemon (nice way to put it) on a regular basis save in one case: if there is an allegation of child porn sharing/downloading.

          Even then, they had better have some very good proof of that or they still tell them to go to hell.

      • Guest11

        Your ISP won’t cut you off, they’ll just tell you to stop using a VPN or risk getting cut off. 

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          …and then we can  bury that ISP. Do you know how many people use their internet connection to work from home?

          And are you aware that any business has, as a standard, to use a VPN as a mandatory proxy in order to reach their own intranet? Say fare-thee-welle to quite a lot of your customer base right there.

          As unavoidable collateral said ISP will also likely have barred their customers from using anything related to https, which means their customers are also unable to use online banking, amazon.com, or any other online service requiring encryption. There is for the ISP no chance at all to differentiate between a fully legal stream from a 3rd-party streaming site and an illegal p2p download handled via a VPN.

          Honestly…if you have no clue whatsoever about how the tech works then you ought to spare yourself the embarrassment of posting blatant nonsense.

  • Guest

    I like how the UN said its against human rights to cut off interner service, yet the USA goes full retard by parting ways with them. the EU is wise to stay with them it seems.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

      LOL ==> ‘full retard’! haw haw, did you just make that up? omg, ‘full retard’! My goodness what will they think up next!?

      • Jason

        “full retard” is from the movie Tropic Thunder.

  • Dongs

    Should update the vpn list that you guys posted awhile back

  • Mordred Prump

    KEEP ON THIS, TORRENT FREAK!!!!
    FOLLOW THE MONEIES!!!!!!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OVL7ZVGYF27VDINLMQTBSIFUYE Funhh

    *Boozy Morrison Voice* Thiis is the eeeeeennnnnndddddddddd*

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

    Well, back up your back ups and start sharing p2p, as in ==> Person to person.

  • townie2

    wish we had 6 strikes in Canada, thats all kinds of time to experiment with VPN’s, seedboxes, etc. new law in Canada coming down, no warnings, fines up to $5,000 per download. funny how the States forced other Countries to take a stronger stand than they did (no offense to the citizens of the U.S.), but i guess they don’t have to worry about getting elected outside their borders.

    • Mordred Prump

      Begging the question: why blame the US and not your own politicians.
      Supposedly representing you. On your tax monies.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

        Cuz …like…the US is like *evil* and stuff.

    • Desu1

      US didn’t force you to do anything. 

      • Anyone

        there are leaked cables that disagree with you

        • Mordred Prump

          Such as? Link to one cable where the US forced a country to pass laws against the wishes of it’s people. Then, forced the people to keep these politicians in power. Go on. Link to one. I’ll wait.

        • Anyone
        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Mordred, apparently you do not know the backroom deals that go on that make it so that whatever party you elect in most countries, you are getting a carbon copy of each other with very few differences, if any.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

          Mordred has a point. Too much belly aching at the US. Not enough blame being placed where it belongs. At the feet of your own politicians. Which YOU vote for and fund with your taxes. Can’t blame Uncle Sam for your own laziness. Both mentally and physically.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @google-06cecafed0491bafe4219c5631254813:disqus 

          “Link to one cable where the US forced a country to pass laws against the wishes of it’s people.”

          *cough* is that a serious question? The wikileaks cables aside – and there are hundreds, or thousand of examples in those alone – any and every nation reckoned a world power applies gunboat diplomacy whenever it feels it is necessary. The US is hardly any different and indeed only differentiates itself in that most other western nations today have given this rather blatant type of foreign policy up as too costly in the long term. Today, among western nations, the US is simply far more heavy-handed and still runs it’s “our way or the highway” foreign diplomacy as if it were still 1960.

          That door swings both ways though. How many supported the Iraq war once the truth was out? And how come GWB then wasn’t impeached? The US government will naturally screw the people in other nations at least as readily as they’ll screw their own.

  • Guest

    “At this time, CCI is not ready to announce the experts we will use to evaluate the methodologies used by the content owners and ISPs to identify alleged piracy and deliver notices to the right consumers,” the CCI spokesperson told TorrentFreak.
    When have the methodologies used b9 copyright holders and their agents ever been verified to be accurate? Not to suggest that being accurate was ever a forte of theirs.

  • ISP of the future…

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/07/12/nicholas_merrill_s_surveillance_proof_isp_project_.html
    Would Law Enforcement Tolerate a “Surveillance-Proof” Internet Service Provider?

    New York-based entrepreneur Nicholas Merrill is making progress on a project he revealed in April: an encryption-based telecommunications provider designed to be “untappable.” 

    Merrill’s ultimate aim is to create a telecommunications infrastructure that inhibits mass surveillance. First, he is building an Internet provider that will use end-to-end encryption for Web browsing and email. Then he plans to roll out a mobile phone service that will enable users to encrypt calls, making them difficult to intercept. The key to decrypt the communications would be held by each individual customer, not Merrill’s company. Because the telecom firm would be unable to access the communications, law enforcement agencies that want to read or listen to communications would be forced to serve warrants or court orders on individuals directly. “This would make it impossible to do blanket, dragnet surveillance of all the customers of a telecommunications carrier,” Merrill says. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      I hope that he gets this done and that the various ISP’s follow his lead.

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    I doubt this will have any effect on the average person. First of all, as courts have been saying: an IP address is not equal to a specific person.

    So, if my ISP tried to say “You downloaded X!’, I’d be sending them back a letter saying “Prove it or prepare to be taken to court!”

    • Guest

      And they’ll just cut you off. What are you gonna do? Unless you’re in an unique area you probably have only one or two choices for broadband. 

      Soon ISPs will start a reporting agency like with Credit, or checking accounts or health insurance. 

  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    The ISPs can do whatever they want if the user doesn’t follow the user agreement. The problem today is that most/all ISPs don’t care as long as the money arrives from the customers, even though they are fully aware of that most users break the user agreements including breaking the law. This problem must be rectified.

    Outside Internet, breaking the law usually leads to a company going out of business, and/or that the owners go to jail.

    • Fredrika

      > “The ISPs can do whatever they want..”

      Please stop lying. They most certainly can not do whatever they want, they are highly regulated by laws. Among other things they are generally not allowed to look at their customers traffic, that’s breach of privacy.

      > “..if the user doesn’t follow the user agreement.”

      Which there has been no proof of that the customer has done.

      > “The problem today..”

      As you are fully aware of there exists no scientific evidence whatsoever that supports the thesis that non-profit on-line piracy constitutes any kind of problem to neither society, the economy, culture, creators, the content industry’s current record revenues or the goal with copyright.

      > “..is that most/all ISPs don’t care..”

      Which they obviously shouldn’t do, because they are not the police. If any one believes a crime has been committed, contact the police. End of story. That’s how society works.

      But maybe you have a problem with due process? Maybe you advocate that non-authorities should take the law into their own hands?

      > “..as long as the money arrives from the customers..”

      Which obviously is the only thing an entrepreneur should care about on the free market. Obviously entrepreneurs shouldn’t care about unsubstantiated accusations from third party weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market.

      > “..even though they are fully aware of that most users break the user agreements including breaking the law.”

      Statistical guessing does not equal awareness of individual crimes, nor does it constitutes probable cause. Unless you advocate fascism??

      > “This problem must be rectified.”

      That a problem exists that needs to be rectified is your personal ignorant and fascist opinion, which obviously is not based on any facts whatsoever, any respect for the judicial system whatsoever, or any respect for the human rights to privacy and due process. Basically, the only existing problem lies in your end, and your problem accepting how society actually works., for very thought through reasons.

      > “Outside Internet, breaking the law usually leads to a company going out of business, and/or that the owners go to jail.”

      As does it on the Internet. But no company is breaking any law here, so that’s another completely irrelevant straw-man argument from you. You really can’t stop using them can you? That’s another one of your problems.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Thank you for giving him the smackdown, Fredrika. You touched on all points that I would have brought up.

        Bottom line is that the companies in question have to realize that they DO, period and done with, argument finished forever, have to compete with free…… and that includes free versions of their own offerings.

        Best thing they could do is price their offerings where the ‘cost/benefit’ analysis lands on their sides and remove DRM from their offerings, which is causing more and more people to say “NO!” to their software until it is cracked by a third-party.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          Actually Fredrika delivers the same false accusations as always and her “smack down” is to be completely ignored.

        • Fredrika

          > “Actually Fredrika delivers the same false accusations as always..”

          As i have said before, and strongly encouraged you to, if there is something of what i write which you don’t understand or which you don’t agree with, please quote that sentence and explain what you mean or what you disagree with, instead of coming up with empty meaningless accusation as you just did!!

          Because that which you just did is text book troll behaviour, that stops the debate from continuing, something which you often seemingly hypocritically claim to want, continued debate. So stop sabotaging it then by fleenig the debate!!!?

          > “..and her “smack down” is to be completely ignored.”

          Classic text book troll behaviour, when someone shines light on their unsustainable arguments, ignore it, because they can’t answer any more.

          And you ask why everyone calls you a troll?

        • Anyone

          of course you want to ignore the facts, it’s much easier in your world that way

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Sorry, but those aren’t false allegations, nejtillpirater.

          Just because you wish to ignore them, doesn’t mean that they are not salient to the discussion.

          It’s like many people do… you are going “LALALALALALALALALA! I CANNOT HEAR YOU!”

        • Fredrika

          > “Thank you for giving him the smackdown, Fredrika. You touched on all points that I would have brought up.”

          Smack down is my middle name, and also my favourite my game. Bubbles “Smack Down” Utonium at your service!! =)

          > “Bottom line is that the companies in question have to realize that they DO, period and done with, argument finished forever, have to compete with free…… and that includes free versions of their own offerings.”

          Yes but fascists, communists, weak failed entrepreneurs and other trolls don’t appreciate the free market rules.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @nejtillpirater:disqus 

          “Actually Fredrika delivers the same false accusations as always and her “smack down” is to be completely ignored.”

          Since for the last three years you’ve presented a one-man show in straw manning, implied guilt, falsification of facts and outright lying over at Christian Engström’s blog I would have assumed that by now you should be seriously allergic to the phrasing “smackdown” as that’s all you have to show for your “hard work”.

          Now, if you do not agree with her assessment then feel free to correct her. However as your little one-liner indicates, you are actually simply confirming that you do believe that an ISP should act as a police officer, spy on their customers, and generally meddle/interfere with their own duties as a neutral messenger service.

          Or is this just one more thread where you’ll claim you never wrote anything of the sort?

  • http://Operation-DarkSky.askaboutit.com Needlez™

    How would this backdoor work in open source OS?? like Linux? wouldn’t we be able to see the source code and just have some one remove it?? Furthermore almost all Linux OS aren’t government owned so how would they have a way to push this on us? I mean what hide a backdoor in an update?? Oh yes and what person is gonna take the time to write a update that works for every file type for every OS to date?? Nobody. Furthermore, most Linux OS have a strict policy on which packages and updates are preloaded to the archives of the system, so they can’t just force a ppa to someone’s system who had the system before the corrupt set of packages was added.  I mean unless they’re gonna do this through like all browsers with an update for each browser, but seriously I think this is gonna be an epic fail of epic proportions.

    • Anyone

      it’s a contract backdoor, not a programme backdoor
      so the only way to avoid it is to switch to an ISP that doesn’t sell you out

  • JordanKratz

    Once normal people start getting threatening letters from their ISP’s more and more will begin to understand and they will be pissed.MAFIAA will never win and Tech will always be one step ahead of these clowns.
    Normals will not be to happy !
    MAFIAA needs to be hacked so their dirty laundry can be aired.

  • Jisano

    ….”We do not intend to launch until we are confident that the program is consumer friendly”

    ORLY?

  • Mordred Prump

    STAY ON THEIR ASS, TF!!!!
    RIDE THAT ASS!!!! RIDE IT!!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

      YEEEEEEE HAWW!!!!!

  • Insipid

    Witch hunting illustrated.

  • Guest

    Apparently, it only affects public Bittorrent users.  That means that only people who are stupid enough to use a public tracker will receive a “copyright alert” or have their Internet slowed down.

    If you use public torrents, you are a moron and deserve to be caught.  Use a private tracker, a file host, a different P2P platform, Usenet or buy yourself a VPN so you can keep using the Pirate Bay’s public site.

  • Mordred Prump

    This is real news I can use!!!

  • Mordred Prump

    @ ‘Anyone’ … your link doesn’t address what I said. Or did you think no one would read the whole thing? Sorry, bro! Try again.

  • Mordred Prump

    Funny, Republicans here in the States say the exact same thing about all ‘criminals’ in victimless crimes.

  • Mordred Prump

    Still waiting for you to link to one that does what I said. READ MY POST. Before you go flying off the handle acting like supershit with a cape on.

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  • Freedom

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kAILmmzJdg

    Freedom!

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  • 0ceije0

    I got an email from Verizon on monday in regards to an episode of True Blood I downloaded (according to them) July 4th… even though I actually downloaded the episode July 1st. I actually got two emails for the same thing. It was from Verizon, but written from the point of view of the copyright holder. It was cold, calculated, and to the point, saying I could be taken to court for so many thousands of dollars. They listed my ip address, but weren’t able to name the actual file it’s self, all they could say was “TRUE BLOOD”, with no file name, episode number, etc. It was weird because I downloaded it (i guess technically July 2nd) yet it said the date it happened was July 4th, and that it happened twice. I’d like to see them try and take me to court when they can’t even identify specifically what it was I downloaded…

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    lucky me my isp is not there i use clearwire in nyc

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