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Warner Bros’ False Takedowns Stifle Free Speech, EFF Tells Court

The EFF has filed a brief in the dispute between the cyberlocker Hotfile and Warner Bros, where the latter is accused of taking down content they don’t hold the copyrights to. The EFF argues that Warner Bros. is stifling online speech by denying Hotfile users to access to legitimate content. The movie studio’s claim that they are not responsible for mistakes made by a computer, but this is not a valid defense according to the group.

effSeptember last year the Florida-based file-hosting service Hotfile sued Warner Bros. for fraud and abuse.

The file-hoster alleged that after giving Warner access to its systems, the studio wrongfully took down files including games demos and Open Source software without holding the copyrights to them. The false takedowns continued even after the movie studio was repeatedly notified about the false claims.

In a response, Warner Bros. admitted the accusations. However, the movie studio argued that they are not to blame because the mistakes were made by a computer, not a person. As a result, the false takedown request were not “deliberate lies.”

The pending case has major implications for the responsibilities of copyright holders when it comes to automated takedown requests. If the court decides that Warner Bros is not guilty of copyright abuse there’s a serious risk that DMCA notices will turn into a broad and uncontrollable censorship filter.

To prevent this from happening the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has filed an amicus curiae brief siding with Hotfile.

The EFF points out that because of the false takedown requests many of Hotfile’s users were denied access to legitimate content, effectively hurting speech on the Internet. Blaming the computer for these mistakes is not a valid defense according to the group.

“Hotfile’s customers unfairly lost access to content because of Warner’s bogus takedowns. But under Warner’s theory, any company could sidestep accountability for abusing the DMCA by simply outsourcing the process to a computer,” said EFF Intellectual Property Director Corynne McSherry.

“In fact, the companies would have a perverse incentive to dumb down the process, removing human review. What Warner is doing here is a ploy to undermine the DMCA provisions that protect Internet users from overbroad and indiscriminate takedowns like the ones it issued,” she adds.

As an example of how these automated processes hurt free speech the EFF names a recent case where articles from TorrentFreak and Techdirt were censored by mistake.

The brief further argues that if copyright holders aren’t responsible for computerized takedowns, they might be inclined to abuse the system for competitive purposes.

“Imagine the potential for mischief: Let’s say that Warner does not like competition from Universal. It could set a computer to search through Universal’s online presence, with the loosest possible settings, and issue takedown after takedown to Universal’s ISP for spurious claims,” EFF writes.

The competitive angle raised by the EFF is not just hypothetical, as Google previously noted that 57% of all the DMCA notices they receive come from companies targeting competitors.

As we pointed out two days ago, Warner Bros. is not the only company to make massive mistakes through their automated takedown systems. Microsoft, for example, asked Google to take down a link to the open source operating system Kubuntu, and NBC Universal censored a free-to-share movie.

It will be interesting to see what the judge decides in this landmark case.


EFF’s brief

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  • Anyone

    time to remove that law (and the 15 others that came in the last 30 years)

    let the MAFIAA compete fairly in a capitalistic market

    • Anonymous

      +1
      And
      Down With All MAFIAA

      • Guest

        If MAFIAA sends you a letter, tell them:

        I am not responsible for what my computer downloads.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Hey, I would tell them “An IP address does not equal a specific computer. With wireless networks, even encrypted ones (which are easy to crack now), ANYONE within 300 feet of my home could have been doing this. Go fuck off until you have something a bit more substantial than an IP address!”

        • MadAsASnake

          @Christopher Kidwell
          In fact an IP never = a person. Legal reality in the UK :)

        • Caladol1

          MAFIAA are paedophiles, censoring is bad as it hides the truth, it is a proven fact that censoring is a way to hide crimes, they have been hiding under the excuse of child porn in a effort to hide their crimes

        • Anon

          I think your right on this. Censorship hides a great deal that would otherwise be transparent. My bet is a great deal of children are saved by these horrid deeds being filmed a d posted. The police have evidence and can find the child or at least try. If it is done in secret how could they find out. In the old days it would be after the abused child became an adult. I know this is a mind twister but it shows censorhip even in child porn which is what they latch on to may not be wise either. Once these people know auto censor is n they will go deeper underground making the Police work harder.

    • O’lay Pirate

      ^ agreed.

      btw, “Google previously noted that 57% of all the DMCA notices they receive come from companies targeting competitors.” … where is the source for that? I’d like to bookmark it for future purposes :P

    • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

      Nope. Won’t happen. They CAN’T compete, fairly or otherwise.

  • Guest

    Write short script, take down every link and every site
    “Oops my bad”

    Any names programmers want to take a stab.
    .. Oh wait, we’d be hunted, sued and jailed.

  • Anonymous

    So what now? Warner Bros. going to pay a small fine and slap Hotfile with an even larger one for trying to go against them? Cant fight these giants in anyway. I hope some psycho takes action against the MAFIAA.

    • Fuck the System

      attacks and terorism is solution to fight with these “giants” ,is useless to fight in aconventional way becouse they make the laws , they have lobbysts hoardes of lawyers they pay bribe courts , to have control so only efficient way to fight against they remain bullets and explosives , anyway finally people will ending to do that becouse thay take every people rights one after one , laws are maked to prosecute people not to protect people , these giants corporations is the worst nightmare of the free world , if we will let them to grow and continue in one day we will pay taxes to have right to live , so is better to kill them before is too late
      nothing is wrong with that , if they pretend have rights to do what they want with us with lot of people , then is simple we can do anything with they !

      Stop to ask and find excuse for theirs actions , they dont care about us , they make abuse and that will contiune until we will react and fight , is clear these greedy bastards dont have limits , thats why we have rights to kill them becouse they dong that everyday with all of us , one by one their system prosecute and kill us soon or later (how ? is simple put people under presure, under treat , make them to fear , use them like slaves , manipulate them to buy toxic foods , sick them , make them addicted to medicine drugs etc etc , So we are legitimate to kill them and solve the problem , yeah is radical solution but i think is the best and only one

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Unfortunately, it is getting to the point where I have to agree. While bloodshed is never the first choice, with these idiots buying laws, it has gotten to the point where bloodshed is becoming the only legitimate choice to keep our fair use and other rights from being trampled upon.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

        While I don’t like your ‘solution’ , I fear you may well be right.
        But remember there will be real casualties, lots of them. The lucky ones will merely be falsely imprisonned, the unlucky will be killed and maimed by police and maybe even armies. Pepper spray in Oakland will seem trivial by comparison.
        I’m not saying this to discourage you, merely to point out that a high price will be paid.

    • Anonymous

      I’m afraid that psycho you’re talking about might go to jail for that.

    • B128448

      Just like when RIAA/MPAA sues innocents for astronomical and unrealistic fines knowing they won’t receive a dime because ther person won’t have how to pay and will file for bankrupcy, I think the objective of Hotfile now is to stabilish a precedent of actually putting the law to test.

      If they win, you can be sure that other business will be able to follow on their steps and stop bending down for the big content industries.

      • MadAsASnake

        RIAA/MPAA seems to like ruining a few peoples lives as “examples”. Examples of what I’m not sure, but they shine out as examples of hypocrisy and greed.

  • Anonymous

    Well if the computer program was not accurate they should not have been using it. If I made a robot to shoot home invaders and a bug in its programming lead to it killing the mailman I would still be held responsible.

    • Blackbeard

      Exactly – they implemented it, they must be held accountable. I can’t think of a single scenario where WB’s logic would work..

      I program a car to drive round a track, it bugs out and crashes – ‘Nope, wasn’t me, it was the car’

      I make electronic thermostats that crash and fail, burning down houses – ‘can’t arrest me, I didn’t do anything, it was the thermostat’

      Someone hands me a program that will take down child-porn sites and it takes down Techdirt as well – ‘Not my fault, the program did it’

      Their defence makes no sense and is laughable. If a judge sides with them, I will weep.

      • Anon

        Very well put, those examples are perfect parallels.

      • Zrnycudk

        Judges will side with them, if they buy’em out as usual.

      • O’lay Pirate

        “they implemented it, they must be held accountable. I can’t think of a single scenario where WB’s logic would work..”

        Isn’t it the same logic that’s applied to “I own a website, I’m not responsible for what the users upload” … :S

        • http://joshesforchange.wordpress.com/ Josh C

          When you have a website, you cannot control what people on it; when you have a program that you develop, you can control the bugs it develops (by bug-fixing, something they refused to do).

        • Anyone

          humans do what they want
          programs do what YOU tell them to do

          there is your difference

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Actually, Blackbeard, I hate to tell you but in all those cases? They couldn’t sue you if you warned people “Hey, this software might have bugs, don’t come crying to me if something bad happens!”

        I’ve actually seen cases of that in the paper and on the internet. Not that hard to find examples of that either.

        • Michael Xavier

          The point he made, which you seemed to miss, was that Warner Bros. never made mention of any bugs in THEIR search software.

          Moreover, when it was brought to their attention by multiple people and organisations that their software was in fact bugged, Warner Bros. actively ignored and denied everything and continued to use it.

  • kenkus

    IP industry has proven that neither automated nor manual censorship are reasonable options and still they demand other industries to censor the internet…

  • SL

    If a computer cant even get that right, how reliable are the computers that harvest ip addresses from torrent swarms for prosecution?

    Probably the same since 80 year old grannies or dead people get letters proclaiming copyright abuse.

  • Lolicon

    “the mistakes were made by a computer, not a person”
    Companies are always telling us how they should have the same rights as a person. Well, it doesn’t matter who or what made a mistake in the company, in the end, it’s the company’s doing and it should be accountable for its mistakes.

  • http://profiles.google.com/pianogamer Knut Harald

    So if I write a program that seeks out legal torrent downloads, and it accidentally download some copyrighted material, I’m in the good?

    • MadAsASnake

      Computer did it – must be :)

  • MadAsASnake

    Any company is responsible for the mistakes it’s computers make. Nobody else can possibly be. Anything else gives companies an infinite excuse for anything – anything at all…

  • Disheartened

    COMPUTERS DO NOT MAKE MISTAKES…they do EXACTLY what they have been told to do by the programmer….if the programmer makes a mistake…thats another thing all together.

    I can’t believe this point is not being raised at the hearing and that the ‘computer’ is seen as ‘doing something’.

    Just shows how corrupt and ignorant things have become in this money grab BS.

    • Anyone

      “computer says no”

    • TuSlayer

      Agree. Even if Warner Bros. is not “personally” responsible for the sending of fraudulent and abusive take downs, they are “personally” responsible for the set-up of the automotive system that is.

    • MadAsASnake

      Lets restate that – computers don’t make mistakes – programs are written in flawed, bug-ridden and sloppy ways.

      Mistake = genuine accident. If it’s intentional or they don’t care enough to even attempt to avoid it it is NOT an accident.

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  • Sir

    Shouldn’t DMCA notices be submitted “in good faith” that a work is infringing?

    Turning the WB logic around, a computer program certainly can’t “act in good faith”. So all takedown notices not made by humans should be useless…

    • MadAsASnake

      Not necesarily. The good faith requirement means that they must have very high confidence the identification is accurate (automated or otherwise) and effective measures for when it fails (which must by necessity be rare). Pretty clear that the WB thing meets neither of those standards.

      • Sir

        So by this standard, they would be held liable if the bad takedowns continue? (as in the article’s examples) If there is a “dumbing down” of takedown systems they would become less reliable, which in turn would make the “good faith” argument weak for mass-takedowns, since they wouldn’t really have “very high confidence” of accurate identification…

        • blindleadingtheblind

          1) Walk into a McDonalds known to feed Al-Qaida terrorists cheeseburgers.

          2) Place blindfold over eyes.

          3) Shoot AK47 (bought at gun show) indiscriminately in all directions.

          4) Oh well, a few dead Moms and Kids. But at least 1 dead terrorist.

          Justified Willful Blindness.

        • blindleadingtheblind

          1) Walk into a McDonalds known to feed cheeseburgers to Al-Qaida terrorists.

          2) Place blindfold over eyes.

          3) Shoot AK47 (bought at gun show) indiscriminately in all directions.

          4) Oh well, a few dead Moms and Kids but at least 1 dead terrorist.

          Justified Willful Blindness.

        • MadAsASnake

          Bang on – a self-levelling system – one of the best kinds.

        • MadAsASnake

          @blindleadingtheblind

          There are other places to eat than McDonalds – place that serve food for instance. I would have thought most dedicated Al-Qaeda operatives would be opposed to such a US icon…

  • Arman

    Feels like shit keeps getting more serious. I remember when tf articles we’re mainly about torrents and occasional bust.

  • Anonymous

    so, as usual, it’s ok when it’ works for them, but when it works against them, they cant be held accountable? instead of talking about words, what if we talk about IP addresses. does that count that an internet connection can be shut without proof that the account holder was doing anything wrong?

  • al

    I would suggest WB shutdown the computer that made the mistake, before it goes skynet like the Terminator movies. Obviously it has a mind of it’s own.

    • MadAsASnake

      Just shows you how little these guys know about computers…

  • MegaAbuse

    This is such a serious issue.

    If I am not mistaken, the core of the MegaUpload case is the alleged non-compliance with DMCA takedown requests. All other “charges” hinge upon this fundamental issue.

    Non-compliance with DMCA can result in military style police raids (in any country).
    Thus the issue of DMCA abuse is of paramount importance.

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  • techanon

    I really hope WB loses this one. Though I don’t really like hotfile either, I want the precedent of a company being held liable for ‘cuestionable automated DMCA takedowns’ strongly enough to vouch for them.

    • MadAsASnake

      Well, in the UK, look up British Gas v. Ferguson for the High Court take on “computer did it so not our fault” type arguments. High Court here says poorly programmed computers are no defence.

  • FinalApokylypse

    Is it just me or are these takedowns in all sense of the word still actually human errors as they are the result of an overbroad search term. Reference http://torrentfreak.com/warner-bros-admits-sending-hotfile-false-takedown-requests-111109/.

    A computer will do as it’s told (although sometimes this isn’t as people expect).
    Using search terms as ‘The Box (2009)’ (which still will include anything including ‘The Box’ is quite obviously going to net in unrelated terms. So what can they do to solve this problem, refine their search terms, something which they clearly didn’t do even when informed of the initial problem.

    • Anyone

      they can resolve that issue by living in the 21st century and offering a good service

    • Mr. Crowley

      Or, you know, stop being lazy and employ some people to manually review those take down orders.

      I’m sure WB is swimming in mora cash than they ever had after shutting down the great pirate nest that was megaupload and all those ex-pirates flocking to retail stores in order to buy physical media.

      Now they don’t have the dirty piracy conspirators taking the money robbing people of millions of jobs, they could start employing those millions back to ensure proper compliance with the DMCA.

      • FinalApokylypse

        While I do agree with you completely I was more coming from the angle that their argument is completely flawed because the computers did not do this automatically as they needed data inputted via human interaction (as in the input ‘The Box (2009))’. Thus regardless of whether or not it was wrong or right not to have people manually checking what is and isn’t deleted they are in the wrong. Their argument that they are not responsible because a computer made the mistakes is really incorrect as those ‘mistakes’ stem from a human mistake not in the coding but the input of the query to begin with.

        • MadAsASnake

          They are responsible for the takedown irrespective of the decision making process they used. Doesn’t matter whether they use computers, people or a room full of baboons. The worrying thing is that of those three choices, the baboons are likely to be most accurate.

  • As

    i am not in the side of IP or MPAA in any case , but in the example above it is almost impossible to check daily and manually all copyrighted material posted in hotfile and other site , they will need like 1 million employer for this job.

    • ThisSucks

      You are completely WRONG!

      This is blatant and intentional copyright HOLDER laziness.

      Heck. A small group of skilled TF users could (if deputized) easily start squashing all types of copyright material on a slew of available channels.
      Why the F would we want to!

      And … ONLY authorized “agents” are allowed to do this.

      Shit. I would gladly send DMCA takedown notices for “Iron Lady” if I could.

      MAN THAT MOVIE REALLY SUCKS!
      (Send me a check MAFIAA and I’ll take em down baby!)

    • FinalApokylypse

      For instance if we use ‘The Box (2009)’ example as above if I were to scrutinize a list I could come across one like

      The Box.2009.Horror.1CD.DvdRip.Xvid-nEHAL
      Which is pretty safe to say is an unauthorised copy.

      Or I could come across one like this.

      Shakin’ Stevens – The Epic masters 1979-1990 – 10CD-BOX 2009
      Which may or may not be copyrighted material but IS NOT what I’m querying and should be removed from the list.

      I could go through 100 of these in roughly a minute with MUCH higher accuracy than their automated takedown methods.

      • Anyone

        but there should be no takedown in the first place, the internet should not be censored

        • techanon

          We get your point, but in the hotfile vs. WB case that point is irrelevant.
          What is relevant there are arguments that make WB liable for its negligence in implementing their automated takedowns.
          If the court finds WB liable, it leaves a precedent that other afected organiosations could rely on to fight back the DMCA trolls in their own game: the courts.

    • Anonymous

      Which is why the DMCA is such a piece of garbage. Policing a sites by help of a computer renders unacceptable false positives. Here’s a quick rundown. Assume that out of a million files, a thousand are infringing.

      Now assume there’s a computer algorhitm sending takedowns. Assume that algorhitm has a 10% error rate. Most people instinctively assume that means it will only identify 900 out of those thousand infringing files.

      This is true. It is equally true that what it means is that it incorrectly identifies 10% out of those million files which exist as infringing.

      I.e. in this case the net effect of such an algorhitm is that 900 takedowns get sent for truly infringing files – and 100000 incorrect takedowns also get sent!

      Now here’s a scoop – there is no computer algorhitm with just a 10% error rate. Think 30%. And that is where Google’s estimated 37% false takedown notices come from.

      Automated takedown generation – indeed, any sifting liable to generate more false positives than missing true positives should be declared unacceptable under the DMCA as it in effect allows a stakeholder to infringe other people’s copyright by several orders of magnitude.

    • MadAsASnake

      As: it doesn’t matter how hard it is – that is their problem. Does not give them the right to damage legitimate interests of innocent third parties.

  • Andre Laurin

    So does this that if I have a computer find and share copyright content that I am not legally liable since there was no human interaction involved ?

    This just proves my opinion that copyright holders are not really interested in stopping piracy but tightening their control and stopping independent artists from ever succeeding unless they allow it. Look up Universal and Youtube for good examples of this and how they deal with false takedowns.

    Also correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t this argument used by some other sites and the content provides said hell no to those excuses and in case like google which at one point tried using software to remove copyright content but when that software missed stuff those same content providers where making all sorts of threats to google to improve their software or else. Shouldn’t the content providers be held to the same standard ? Seems like a double standard to me.

    MAFIAA, the world have enough missles to fix that problem today.

    This is just my opinion on what I view as a world that is going to hell in a hand basket fast and it’s because of lawyers, big business, banks and politicans who only care about greed.

  • Flyer

    Imagine situation:
    Government have computer decide on who gets death sentence , and if totally innocent person gets one – all they would say is “we’re at no fault, it’s all computer” . “awesome”, isn’t it? Warner brothers trying to pull off pretty much same thing. Despicable

  • Amused

    I’m not guilty your honour, I didn’t download the said movie. It was my computer. I’m not to blame. I hope Warner Bros win this case. It will then become a legitimate defense for all of us. :-)

    • O’lay Pirate

      Haha, I see what you did there….

      ^_^

      After all this time people saying an IP address = You… now they are saying Computer != Them to get away with it…. hypocrites!

      • Anyone

        it doesn’t matter what they say as long as they continue bribing the right people

    • Glib

      This is completely valid; I have most of my downloading automated at this point … not my fault the computer downloaded it, sue him(her).

  • Ender Wiggin

    Let them get away with it… that would be a nice precedent to have on our side.

    “it’s not my fault, the algorithm couldn’t tell it was your content, no harm no foul.”

  • Anonymous

    ah the good’ol;

    its not my fault my wifes dead the gun killed her not me!

    story.

  • http://Not.Telling/ Kr0nZ

    “The movie studio’s claim that they are not responsible for mistakes made by a computer”

    so is Warner admitting that we are not liable for pirate content uploaded by our automated upload script?

    Most torrent sites index stuff using scripts or programs, are these sites no longer liable?
    Good too know for next time they try and send me a infringement notice damanding my cash

  • Anonymous

    lol, the Bill of Rights got tossed out the window on September 12, 2001. Scary dude.
    Go-Anon.tk

  • Just_Joking?

    Oh so they rape a teen and is this the way they are going to defense themselves?

    “It’s not me! It’s my penis mistake”

    LMFAO

    No wait is Kim Dotcom here?

  • Anonymous

    relatively old “joke “, Nazi Germany, i was just following orders.

  • http://www.facebook.com/c0ldbloodthe0ry Joshua Shawn Fricke

    Nice tactic WB. Kim Dotcom should just say its the websites fault not the users. In fact, I didn’t violate copy-wrong through torrents, my computer did. :p

  • NetShit

    Check out http://www.moviehawk.org/

    BIG NETFLIX AD

    What a wacky world we live in.

  • Anonymous

    Sing-a-long now… [lyrics altered a wee bit]

    The king and his men
    stole the queen from her bed
    and bound her in her Bones.
    The webs be ours
    and by the powers
    where we will we’ll roam.

    Yo, ho, haul together,
    hoist the colors high.
    Heave ho, thieves and beggars,
    never shall we die.

    Some men are jailed
    and some have bailed
    and others surf the web-sea.
    With the keys to the cage
    and the Devil to pay
    we lay to Fiddler’s Green!

    Freedom’s bell has been raised
    from it’s watery grave.
    Do you hear it’s sepulchral tone?
    We are a call to all,
    pay head the squall
    and turn your sail toward home!

    Yo, ho, haul together,
    hoist the colors high.
    Heave ho, thieves and beggars,
    never shall we die.

    [dang song has been stuck in my brain all day!]

  • i3o6

    This is beyond retarded! Their logic would obviously allow torrent sites that automatically collect torrents/magnet-links!

  • Patsaid2

    Sorry for downloading your files, it was my computers mistake.

  • GastIsFlabbered

    This is further proff that the Big Content companies have no fucking idea how computers, networking or the web works and should not be involved in the law making process related to the afore mentioned technologies at any fucking stage.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Well, I’m torn…… the problem is that half of the blame is on these automated tools and half on the nitwits who allow these automated reports to be counted as valid!

      Simply put, NOTHING should be taken down until a real live human makes sure that the thing in question is actually ‘infringing’.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000291242845 Jack O’Neill

    As those who carry a gun will tell you, with much power comes much responsibility.

    I carry a gun for self defense. That does not give me a license to shoot everyone and everything that crosses my path. My life must be in grave danger before I can even think about drawing my weapon, let alone actually pull the trigger. Should I ever find myself in a life or death situation and am forced to pull that trigger, then I better pray to whatever god(s) I believe in that my aim is straight and true. Because if it is not, I can easily find myself behind bars for the rest of my life, or worse, on death row.

    What makes Warner Bros. think they’re better than me? That their bottom line is so much more valuable than my life that it gives them a license to pull that trigger at anything which moves and not have to face any consequences when their actions harm innocent third parties? In a shooting situation, their excuse would be equal to someone programming a computer to open fire on threats, then unleashing it onto a crowd knowing very well that it will shoot innocent people. Then turning around and saying “oh, well it was the computer, you can’t hold me responsible for that!”

    Yes, yes you can. Just as you are responsible for your actions when you get drunk and accidentally/intentionally shoot someone, you are responsible for when your computer goes haywire and starts destroying other people’s property. Even more so when you have been informed of it’s fallibility and refuse to fix it.

    Yes, I realize there is a difference between deleting files and shooting someone. But that’s not really the point. The point is that while we do have the right to take appropriate steps in order to protect ourselves and our property, we also have an obligation to make sure that in the pursuit of self preservation we do not trample the rights of others.

    It is time that these companies are held responsible for their actions, that they are held to the same standards they wish to hold everyone else. Their actions are criminal and not much different than the piracy they claim is destroying their industry. With the major difference that by deleting these files, they’re denying the authors their exclusive rights to distribute their own work in a manner they see fit. Whereas piracy only offers an alternative procurement method. If one soccer mom has to pay them hundreds of thousands of dollars for making a few songs available via alternative distribution without disrupting the operations of the companies, then what should they pay for wholesale denying another individual or entity the ability to distribute their own property?

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  • None

    EFF needs to wake up.

    While there occasional errors made in the process, the sheer volume of piracy makes errors almost inevitable. We are dealing with people, with computer programs written by people, and a huge volume of requests that cannot all be checked by hand.

    EFF needs to understand that the harm done to rights owners is so massive, that whatever harm is done on the other side pales in comparison.

    • Fredrika

      > “EFF needs to understand that the harm done to rights owners is so massive, that whatever harm is done on the other side pales in comparison.”

      In reality, that harm you talk about has never be proven in any scientific research. The revenues in the culture industry is higher than ever before, and filesharing has never been proven to cause any harm to society on an economical or cultural level, or to the creators, so where is this harm you speak of?

      And either way, obviously free speech, which is a human right, supersedes a legislative monopoly that excludes you from the free market, where all other entrepreneurs do their business, wouldn’t you say? Or do you really believe that it’s more important for some entrepreneurs to be legislatively excluded from the competition on the free market, than for human beings to have free speech? Are you aware of that such reasoning equals textbook fascism?

      EFF has very well thought trough thoughts on this issue, i don’t think they’re the ones who need to wake up..

      • Thedeftones

        Yup what he said

    • Anonymous

      Obvious troll is obvious, but whatever.

      EFF needs to understand that the harm done to rights owners is so massive, that whatever harm is done on the other side pales in comparison.

      By “other side”, do you mean the innocents who were just minding their own business when their stuff was wrongfully taken down by Skynet’s baby brother, or do you mean the companies that had their success cut off when their stuff was maliciously taken down by a competitor, who then blamed the computer?

      Nobody ever said due process was going to be cheap, quick, or easy, they just said it was a Constitutionally-given right. It’s also been said that it is better for a thousand guilty to go free than one innocent be punished.

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      Never.

      There is no acceptable amount of false takedowns. It’s censorship, it’s a violation of human rights, it’s wrong. If their process is resulting in incorrect findings, they need to refine it until there are no more mistakes, period. There is no justifiable level of piracy to offset suppressing others’ civil rights.

  • Thedeftones

    Torrent hosting websites made the argument that “I didn’t make available the illegal content, my computer automatically creates a link to it, and I did not actively discriminate against right holders.” but the courts still find them accountable. It can’t be used now just because it suits their argument.

  • Steves

    Listen Dickweed. COMPUTERS DO NOT MAKE MISTAKES!! the only time a computer makes a mistake is when assholes input incorrect infomation. So which one of you is the super dickweed?

  • Sam12345

    Corrupt courts in a corrupt country….WB will win this case…they have more lobbyists [bribers].

  • tonyj

    The MAFIAA turf war has begun.

  • Anonymous

    “The movie studio’s claim that they are not responsible for mistakes made by a computer, ”

    “What do you mean you’re suing me for downloading your movies? It wasn’t my fault, my computer made a mistake!”

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  • Anonymous

    Anybody notice this abuse of private individuals mimics to a “T” the robo-signer false claims at mortgage companies which resulted in them repeatedly seizing the wrong homes which were in fact not delinquent and also owned by a different mortgage company?

    And thus we go from a scam perpetrated in one industry fast on its way to becoming a scam perpetrated by all industries.

  • Anonymous

    we really happy to be in the system

  • SAPIBELPRODUCTIONSANDSEXY

    Bon

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