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Wikileaks: ICE / IFPI Infiltrate Pirate Topsites

A diplomatic cable leaked by Wikileaks reveals that entertainment industry groups and law enforcement combined their efforts to infiltrate Warez Scene topsites. One of the strategies they discuss during a 2009 meeting is to have an informant leak music before the official release date, to gain trust of the site’s operator and gain access to the highly secured Scene servers.

If anything, the diplomatic cables that were released by Wikileaks reveal that entertainment industry groups such as the MPAA, RIAA and IFPI are pitching their agendas at the highest political levels.

These private groups train law enforcement officers around the world and are used to gather evidence, as if they were law enforcement branches.

A good example of the above is cable from October 2009, written by Kathleen Stephens, U.S. ambassador in South Korea. In the cable Stephens writes about a meeting between South Korean law enforcement officials, lobby groups IFPI and the MPAA, and a representative from the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) unit.

The meeting was organized to discuss enforcement actions against topsites, Scene servers that are at top of the so-called piracy pyramid. These servers are the source for much of the pirated content that eventually ends up at file-sharing websites.

After a failed attempt to bust several Korean topsites in 2008, the parties have come together to make new arrangements. What is immediately clear from reading the cables is that the law enforcement groups and the entertainment industry representatives find it extremely hard to take down these scene servers.

“Locating and penetrating topsites are extremely challenging because people can only gain access by proving that they can make a valuable contribution and gaining trust over an extended period of time. Access to topsite servers is encrypted and shielded and the operators respond to indications of investigation by legal authorities by destroying critical evidence and rapidly moving the servers,” the cable, signed by the ambassador, reads.

The meeting was further used to discuss the problems these topsites pose to the entertainment industry, and what options there are to go after them. One of the options is to infiltrate these servers and bust them from the inside out. This is a strategy that ICE seems to be familiar with, and they are happy to teach their skills to the Koreans.

“In response to questions about the role of his agency, ICE Attache explained that DHS ICE is currently investigating topsite-related issues in the U.S., and that there are numerous types of investigative methods that can be
incorporated to infiltrate topsites,” the cable reads.

“ICE Attache offered to provide training and a tour of the DHS ICE IPR Center in Washington, DC. The tour would allow Korean investigative entities to observe current methods used by law enforcement to combat topsites.”

One of the main problems with infiltration is that the topsite operators have to trust the ‘poser.’ To accomplish this, the ICE representative suggested that copyright holders could give them access to pre-release music that they can use to gain credibility as a source.

“[The ICE representative] also suggested encouraging a rightsholder to purposefully pre-release a song to law enforcement, in order to gain access to a topsite. Law enforcement could use the pre-released song to gain trust and consequent access from the topsite administrator. This idea was met with interest and may be pursued further,” the ambassador writes in the cable.

One of the plans that was brought up in the meeting was to let IFPI do the dirty infiltration work, after which they share their findings with law enforcement.

“As the meeting progressed, a basic investigative plan emerged in which IFPI performs the more arduous task of infiltrating topsites and gathering the IP addresses necessary to locate them. IFPI will then present an evidence
packet, which will include the IP address and the amount of files stored, to the Prosecutors’ Office. The Prosecutors’ Office will track down the physical location of the topsite, exercising maximum operational discretion.”

To avoid making the same mistake as in 2008, at no point during the investigations the ISPs can be notified, as they may be involved in the topsite themselves.

“The Prosecutors’ Office appears to understand that notifying an Internet Service Provider that one of its clients is under investigation, which it intended to do in the failed investigations of 2008, presents an enormous risk of
revealing the investigation to the topsite operator. It is even possible, as Mr. Ng noted, that someone working for the Internet Service Provider itself is operating the topsite.”

The cable further goes on to describe the need for action, and options that can be taken, but no concrete plans are worked out.

Although many have expected that infiltration of topsites was a common investigative tactic, this is the first time that we have it in writing.

In recent years dozens of topsites have been raided, including BAR, LOST, DLR and SC during a massive police action in Europe last year. Whether the above meeting resulted in any action from the South Koreans is unknown, but for as far as we are aware no Korea based topsites have been raided recently.

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  • LOLZ-MPAA

    One arrest was made in the KR crack down and some triad dudes in Hong Kong got picked up as well since they left a money trail to the site operator for the equipment for access to the site. Stupid.

    Fuck IFPI and fuck all the other prick agencies

    • Anonymous

      coool

    • Piratescum

      Criminals will always hate the law enforcement agencies!

      • Fvck YOU

        Filesharing is not a crime. TROLL HARDER YOU FUCKING SCUM

      • YoureAWanker

        No, not just criminals. Regular citizens too. The recent upsurge of citizens being arrested for videotaping police officers is testament to the fact that law enforcement agencies have no shame and resort to arresting people who are well within their rights for no reason at all. There’s plenty of reason to hate them when they do things like that. Oh, but you’re essentially a troll on this site, much like the other idiots Anon and Jack Murdock. So what do you care about inconvenient tidibits of info like that. They don’t go well with your rhetoric.

      • anon

        hitlerscum, according to you, noone should hate hitler!

  • http://www.facebook.com/FiendKing04 Dennis Alexander Dodd

    At the beginning of the fourth paragraph, first one, “the” is missing the ‘e’.

    • Anonymous

      +e

  • Hhhh

    So we should all host in South Korea, yippy. Nahh, I’ll stick to Greenland for now :)

    • to hhhh

      as far as i know its not possible to get flatrate in Greenland?

      • Hhhh

        nic.gl, server located in Greenland, tele.gl also has a datacenter in Greenland. :)

  • http://www.flickr.com/thesite Jarowdowsky

    Wonder how the rights holder would decide which album or movie to pre-release… can’t imagine it’s with the consent of the artist or director.

    • Bob

      Actually I think what happens with the publishers, is that the artists sell their IP rights to the publishers for a % of sales and let the publishers do as they see fit to maximise sales.

      ie. screw the artists with shit like this

  • MC

    The department of homeland security has a specific department for internet piracy. Whats next, the Department of Jaywalking Prevention assisted by the International Federation of Not Jaywalking? No one takes any of these fucks seriously, whole branches of the government are just easy jobs for the boys. I just cant take this planet seriously anymore.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sam-Hassock/100001390055136 Sam Hassock

      Jaywalking monster criminals will always hate the decent and just law enforcement personnel that protect civilization.

  • Andy

    Trying to fight windmills? Yeah, that’s one f_ing smart plan.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      No surprise here except for the fact that maybe, just maybe, the pre-release leaks might not be a problem of piracy itself but rather some Quixotesque attempts from MAFIAA to stop a non-existent enemy.

      On a side note, my first thought when I read the title of this article was “O rly?”

      • Anonymous

        The pre-release leaks are win win for them.
        Look lawmaker they have our album EVERYWHERE and its not even out yet and we are going to loose kajillions!
        And no one ever asks how it leaked, they assume it was some evil super pirate who teleported into their offices and took it, not that the source was the label screaming the loudest about it being out there.

        So they leak things to create a problem, and then demand tougher laws to fix the problem they are making worse.

        • Busterbrown

          Ya and the people who go on to download said leaked album have one of the clearest entrapment defenses I’ve ever seen. Fits the definition of entrapment perfectly when you have law enforcement or one of their pseudo-intelligence groups making a product or option available which would not have been available without them and then encouraging people to commit a crime by utilizing the option given by law enforcement. They’d sure be fit to be tied if they actually tried it.

          But y’know, i say they should do it. Leak the new TMV album and all will be forgiven.

        • Anonymous

          We could also argue that by them releasing the media themselves that they have authorised it’s distribution via these websites, thereby rendering every claim of copyright infringement null and void on said material because they (as the owner of the copyright of the media) released and authorised it’s distribution by these sites (the right to make as many/few copies of the media is not infringed, thereby no copyright infringement has taken place).

          This also creates confusion surrounding the copyright status of ‘all’ pre-releases as well since we do not know which ones they themselves authorised for distribution.

          As they also stand to gain the most (by the usual bag of tricks with damage claims, civil lawsuits and the lovely settlement fee letters that I wouldn’t even use for toilet paper) from non authorised copies, we can not trust the copyright holders to be truthful about which specific pre-releases originated from themselves so it would therefore be questionable that an infringement has taken place on whichever pre-release media is at the centre of any infringement claim.

          As such, the copyright holders would either have to seize making more of these honey-pots and disclose a full list of pre-release media they authorised for distribution (so as to have all people facing legal action around this media can have cases dropped with the collateral damage being the uploader accounts of these releases exposed and booted off of these websites) or judges presiding over these civil lawsuits would have to question the copyright status of ‘all’ pre-releases (because there is a chance it may have been released by the copyright holder themselves, there is a chance that no copyright infringement has taken place).

          TL/DR – Authorised ‘pre-releases’ != copyright infringement.

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  • Margon

    Host everything in space…its the only way to be sure :)

  • townie2

    too bad the Government couldn’t get this organized to fight terrorism, doing something really worthwhile with our tax dollars.

    • Guest

      They created the terrorism. LOL

      • Wang

        They even recruit terrorists. They recruited Al-Qaida members to fight the Libyan government. The Libyan people had the highest living standard and cleanest water in Africa, thanks to the man-made river project and lots of other investments in infrastructure and food production. Western companies now want to make a profit by oppressing the Libyan people with Sharia laws, and make them dependent on imported food and water. At the same time, the Ministry of Truth (BBC, CNN etc.) is working hard to narrate the “truth” about Khadafi to Western sheeple so that they can feel good about their leaders bombing Libya back to the days of Mohammad.

    • towlie

      the government is taking our tax dollars to fight us

  • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

    Lol their losing their minds the battle will never end unless ofcourse there were a complete shutdown of the Internet. 7 billion people and counting vs the government. so hilarious.

    • Taco

      Shut down the internet, and we’d just be swapping thumb drives.

      • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

        I know that’s why it would never happen lol.

  • http://twitter.com/mad_hiddy M. Handy

    one of the dumbest wastes of US dollars LMFAO your dollars are being spent, so entertainment industry can make an extra billion. HAHA. Holy shit I hate America so much. Do they not realize that no matter what they do, they will never stop piracy? And if they did, nobody would watch their shit movies, or buy their shit cd’s? Nobody cares, and nobody feels sorry for the Entertainment industry.

    • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

      Don’t hate America or Americans hate the government trust me many Americans are fighting for our freedoms. In do time karma will hit all those that are harming the American people aswell as the rest of the world. i just came home from a months visit to Brazil i wish i stayed. But i have school so i have no choice.

      • Lula

        Don’t worry Elisa. The rest of the world only hates north Americans for not voting on Ron Paul for president, but rather on what the TV tells them to vote for.

        • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

          Actually you’re wrong those polls are wrong and rigged.People have awoken and not putting up with it, they might like rigging the news and not showing the real polls like they would online and trying to continue lying to the American people and letting that bitch Bachmann buy 4000 votes. When actually it was Ron Paul who won the vote etc. But trust me on this, these fake globalist scum puppets can try pretending to be Ron Paul and feeding lies to the people.
          But there is no way in hell that Ron Paul won’t lose. Corporate paid media can continue lying and continue making fake news but trust me there are plenty of intelligent people in America from all over the world.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sam-Hassock/100001390055136 Sam Hassock

          Yes, I’m sure the rest of the world knows who Ron “Repeal Minimum Wage” Paul is.

    • Don Weber

      It is never about copyright.
      It is always about control.
      The government itself is powerless, an excuse, a sideshow.
      Doesn’t matter where you live.

  • http://twitter.com/mad_hiddy M. Handy

    one of the dumbest wastes of US dollars LMFAO your dollars are being spent, so entertainment industry can make an extra billion. HAHA. Holy shit I hate America so much. Do they not realize that no matter what they do, they will never stop piracy? And if they did, nobody would watch their shit movies, or buy their shit cd’s? Nobody cares, and nobody feels sorry for the Entertainment industry.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zack-Nelson/1287355169 Zack Nelson

    This is entrapment, and its mad! These anti piracy firms have allowed copyrighted material to be distributed through out the web, and now they are going to try to prosecute those that have been sharing those same files. Had their claims to the consequences of piracy been valid, they would have been contributing to the starvation of artists.

    They need to Google “Two wrongs don’t make a right.”

  • Anonymous

    Bunch of idiots who are likely to be murdered (or had a very suspicious natural death)…

    Well, I’m gonna find a way to host my website in a non-9/11 infested nation (I wonder if Afghanistan is a smart idea – will the MAFIAA also send their inspectors there?)

    • Ven

      I would imagine that Afghanistan is full of two kinds of people:

      - U.S. military that will be instructed to bomb your servers for hosting copyrighted content; and
      - Hyper-conservative Taliban who will bomb your servers for attempting to perpetuate the culture of the infidels.

  • Randy_Lahey

    Isn’t breaking the law to catch law breakers illegal? Honestly now, I think this is getting ridiculous.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    the one flaw with them chasing server IP addresses is that it can lead no where.

    It is not difficult for a site to have publicly facing IP addresses to inline gateways that do nothing but act as proxies for the main servers that forward data to them. Any trace route would stop at the gateway with the main server(s) physically located elsewhere along with a backup server in a 3rd location.

    The main server would only send/receive public data from the gateway and could easily be scripted to assume if the gateway goes down that it is compromised and to make a final incremental backup as a precaution (good practice to utilise the downtime anyway).

    If you really wanted belt and braces, place another gateway between primary and backup servers and use iscsi based storage especially on the gateways, reducing them to glorified thin clients with no evidence logs if powered off.

    • fagsubber

      Do you think the operators of topsites aren’t using these methods already…

    • Don Weber

      Deep packet inspection on BNC’s.
      Entry and gateways would be had eventually.

    • Ven

      Still, I can’t think of a better way to “attempt” to take down topsites than to infiltrate the system and see what you can learn.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sam-Hassock/100001390055136 Sam Hassock

      The same thing as the banking industry and why the dull pennies of the state dept will never, ever, ever catch up. Namely, that all the really intelligent people are not working for the government. We have everything going for us. They are a huge, slow beast that’s too fvcking stupid to realize they’re swinging in the dark. Feel sorry for the poor teenager or single mom that gets popped.

  • Meh

    “[The ICE representative] also suggested encouraging a rightsholder to purposefully pre-release a song to law enforcement, in order to gain access to a topsite. Law enforcement could use the pre-released song to gain trust and consequent access from the topsite administrator.”

    Wouldn’t work. They wont take anything that isn’t a complete cd and they require releases on a constant basis. If you fall off and stop providing, they get kicked off.
    Although something tells me they found this out the hard way, eheh. If their idea of infiltrating a 30TB+ server is by giving someone a single song, then the operators have nothing to worry about.

  • Meh

    “[The ICE representative] also suggested encouraging a rightsholder to purposefully pre-release a song to law enforcement, in order to gain access to a topsite. Law enforcement could use the pre-released song to gain trust and consequent access from the topsite administrator.”

    Wouldn’t work. They wont take anything that isn’t a complete cd and they require releases on a constant basis. If you fall off and stop providing, they get kicked off.
    Although something tells me they found this out the hard way, eheh. If their idea of infiltrating a 30TB+ server is by giving someone a single song, then the operators have nothing to worry about.

    • Meh

      “In response to questions about the role of his agency, ICE Attache explained that DHS ICE is currently investigating topsite-related issues in the U.S”

      This is also useless, scene rules forbid topsites hosted in the USA because of people like these who are willing to break the law to get what they want..Again they probably found this out the hard way. Which means they have no jurisdiction anywhere for this subject, as they can not enforce law outside of the country – but instead pay people to do it for them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sam-Hassock/100001390055136 Sam Hassock

      And even if they closed it down, which would take months or years. There’s a dozen to take it’s place. Easily. Without a hitch. It’s a 5 minute sign up process to change websites, from a users perspective. Versus the year it took you to close it? Ridiculous.

  • Anonymous

    Should be quite interesting to see how that all works out. Amazing.
    privacy-tools.it.tc

  • An Unwashed Heathen

    Since the MAFIAA’s plan leaked, no doubt the Scene boys are already onto it and on the lookout for those weasels.

    Fail! Have another snort of cocaine and try again, MAFIAA idiots.

  • Lulz

    Really? These site operators don’t know how to set up proxies and tunnels? The IP of the actual server should never be shared with another person.

  • Anonymous

    always the bloody yanks sticking their noses in! why the hell dont they just butt out and worry about the multitude of problems they’ve got in their own country!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sam-Hassock/100001390055136 Sam Hassock

      Ark Ark Ark, good try MAFIAA troll.

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  • Guest

    “One of the strategies they discuss during a 2009 meeting is to have an informant leak music before the official release date, to gain trust of the site’s operator and gain access to the highly secured Scene servers.”

    That was not for gaining the “trust of the site’s operator” it was for planting evidences.

    These corporates parasites are a bunch of criminals and they took over our governments.

    We have to kill them all!

  • Guest

    “One of the strategies they discuss during a 2009 meeting is to have an informant leak music before the official release date, to gain trust of the site’s operator and gain access to the highly secured Scene servers.”

    That was not for gaining the “trust of the site’s operator” it was for planting evidences.

    These corporates parasites are a bunch of criminals and they took over our governments.

    We have to kill them all!

  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com S.J. Doe

    It’s time to infiltrate MPAA and leak some common sense there….

    • An Unwashed Heathen

      Oh please.
      Hollywood is Fantasy World, making shit up is their stock and trade. They wouldn’t know common sense if it bit them on the collective ass.

      Witness the total fantasy they have about filesharing, and the absolute lack of sense they’ve shown thus far.

  • Simon

    Afaik The Scene formed in ’84-’86, and numeros law enforcement groups have not been idle from then till now in their attempts to destroy topsites.
    That’s 25 years of failure bar the occasional site bust.

    War on drugs = War on terrror = War on copyright = license to waste money

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sam-Hassock/100001390055136 Sam Hassock

      Exactly. After all, if they won the War, who’d put little Jimmy through college?

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  • http://twitter.com/iconoclaste Jean-Rober Bisaillon

    The Songwriters Association of Canada is working on a project to fully legalize P2P and will collaborate on this with consumers group and ISPs. Have you heard about it? Its about time all this messy Spy B-Movie scenario is taken to an end.

    • Ven

      It’s a failed proposal designed to place money in the SAC’s pocket. They want to tax internet connections and have that money handed back to them so they can “distribute as they see fit” to the copyright holders.

      I don’t disagree that being forced to pay for content whether or not you consume it may be in our future somewhere, but it won’t succeed when the plan is put forth by an organization like SAC.

    • Ursaring93

      Probably just a rumor, share music is all ready legal in Canada and can’t see why the Songwriters Association of Canada would care about the legality of sharing copyrighted, non-musical works without permission.

      See Wikipedia’s article on File sharing in Canada

  • Okarin

    One of the strategies they discuss during a 2009 meeting is to have an informant leak music before the official release date, to gain trust of the site’s operator and gain access to the highly secured Scene servers.

    there’s no fine moral line in internet piracy as both sides do it just that the end is different

  • foff

    Top site operators know every trick in the book. These junior law enforcement bureaucrats think they are so smart of have come up with a great plan! Ha! Ha! Shows how little they know. Do they actually think their little leak is going to find itself and a main topsite server. Good luck with that. By the way most servers they thought were topsite servers that they busted were nothing more than tertiary temporary sites. If you happen to notice when some groups which are basically junior groups are taken down the flow does not miss a beat. Good topsites move servers often and have at least two or more backups in separate which can almost never be infiltrated because they are only known by a few trusted in the very inner circle.

    Someday a major site may get busted but the cost will be high to find it and the result will be nothing as backups will be put in place immediately. By the way ip’s alone can never find a topsite because several of the links are done by flash drive sneaker net. So legally in can never be proven how something got on a site.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sam-Hassock/100001390055136 Sam Hassock

      3 words———->The Pirate Bay.

  • Anonymous

    This reminds me of a saying.

    If someone is doing a very good job then you should watch them closely. Should that person then do an totally excellent job then it is time to fire them.

  • me

    Only in America… does the entertainment cartel wag the dog of government so blatantly.

    • Anon

      Believe this is about the entertainment industry at your ignorant peril. This is about retaining price in digital products at any cost, even at the sacrifice of personal freedom with music only the first the canary in the coal mine and the motion picture industry next. It has been estimated that 70% of the value of publicly traded companies in America comes from intangible and largely digital assets.

      What government with this kind of reliance on digital IP won’t take draconian steps to control distribution and heavily punish piracy? Catch up and see the larger picture. if you are still trying to find anonymous ways to steal entertainment they are watching, biding their time and way out ahead of you.

      http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/publications/erp/page/9702/download/47602/9702_ERP.pdf

      • An Unwashed Heathen

        > This is about retaining price in digital products at any cost…

        So you admit to being a crooked thieving monopolist trying to rip people off!
        Wow, this would be news to me, if I didn’t know it a good while ago.

        Watch your mouth trollboy, it’s starting to sneak the truth into your lies. LOL

      • YoureAWanker

        “This is about retaining price in digital products at any cost, even at the sacrifice of personal freedom…”

        The part that disturbs me is how okay you are with that. “Even at the sacrifice of personal freedom”. That’s just sad. That’s beyond wrong as well. Protecting profits for a few corporations/industries at the expense of the personal freedoms of the public. Geez. That’s so f*cking stupid and ridiculous as to be almost unbelievable. And anyone who is okay with that or supports such measures and actions is an idiot and a disgrace as a human being. There’s nothing wrong with protecting property or property rights, but not at the expense of eliminating Constitutionally guaranteed and protected rights of citizens.

        • Anon

          Rights are always lost when laws are repeatedly broken. For all of human history. That’s also why the pirates methods are so destructive and self-defeating. You can “fix” a law by breaking it with courage as in American civil rights. But pirates hide, use VPN’s and encryption, and even hack others wifi, and display no courage at all.

          http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/15025715798/france-copyright-is-more-important-than-human-rights.shtml

        • YoureStillAWanker

          You’re so full of sh*t. Name a Constitutionally protected and guaranteed right that has been “lost” when a law was broken. You can’t. BECAUSE THEY’RE CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED. You’re just an idiot. And an idiot who I bet wishes lived under a dictatorship, especially when you advocate for the removal of personal freedoms.

          And no, this is the U.S., not France. Try and keep things relevant. France. Psh. F*ck France. (No offense to any French people who see this.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Wikileaks is a criminal organization that hides behind the banner of righteousness. Putting sensitive information in the hands of someone as naive as Julian Assange is a recipe for fucking disaster. Who knows how many people’s lives were put in jeapordy because of this guys bullshit ideology? I guess assange doesn’t understand that a lot of what he’s releasing has consequences and it’s not “just a pdf.” I suspect a god complex is to blame.

    • Regexs

      I’ve been reading for a few months, and I think I’ve figured you out. You’re a troll on the side of the pirates. You just try to say things in a really stupid way to encourage everyone here that they’re right.

      My compliments. You do it very well.

      • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

        …….No. More like the one person who doesn’t just think about themselves.

        Calling someone a troll doesn’t automatically make you right.

        • Guest101

          Oh rubbish. Copyright monopoly is deeply unethical in large part because it involves unreasonable restrictions on other people’s communications. It’s copyrightist sociopaths that fail to think of others.

          If you don’t want something copied, don’t release it;.

        • Guest101

          Oh rubbish. Copyright monopoly is deeply unethical in large part because it involves unreasonable restrictions on other people’s communications. It’s copyrightist sociopaths that fail to think of others.

          If you don’t want something copied, don’t release it;.

        • Lol

          I don’t know about you… but I always flag Jack Murdock’s comments.

        • Trespass

          You may not use bittorrent, but I guarantee that you commit copyright infringement. I believe the first post I read of yours had a Simpsons avatar. Have an iPod?… don’t even get me started….

        • Trespass

          You may not use bittorrent, but I guarantee that you commit copyright infringement. I believe the first post I read of yours had a Simpsons avatar. Have an iPod?… don’t even get me started….

        • Trespass

          Actually only an egocentric narcissist would insist on remaining on a site that is contrary to his beliefs. You are here for you alone. For whatever jollies you get from spouting the same tired rhetoric. That goes for your alter ego Anon as well.

        • Guest101

          You clearly have no idea how the internet or digital communication in general works, Eric. Also, you have no idea what “work” actually is and does I see. Remember, working produces one physical copy, not all copies. Release a copy or don’t release it, a right to privacy of unreleased work is reasonable, but don’t demand everyone in the world’s communications are censored to preserve your self-entitled sociopahtic jerk idea that you should be able to control information redistribution post-publication. And apart from that, work put into creating something is not especially relevant here anyway. You don’t “deserve” to recover costs for work done in a capitalist society – you might break even, you might profit, or you migh make a loss because you decided to work on something that you apparently can’t imagine how to make profitable absent free-market-destroying copyright monopoly grants.

          Face it, if your law requires a giant police state with everyone in the world’s communications monitored to even begin to semi-enforce, your law is wrong. It would better to have no professional artists (not that they would disappear in practice absent copyright monopoly) and a free internet than vice-versa.

        • Anon

          @Guest101

          “Copyright monopoly is deeply unethical in large part because it involves unreasonable restrictions on other people’s communications. ”

          Has it always been this way?
          In other words, when early copyright was more readily enforceable because of analog formats and no network distribution, do you consider it just as unethical then?

          Or is the technology all that you need to justify ignoring this longstanding concept of artist/agent ownership.

          And by the way, Jack’s right about your “other people’s communications” bullshit. When YOU create the data, it’s your “communication. When you are distributing someone else’s work against their wishes, it’s no conversation you are having and you know it.

        • Guest101

          Of course copyright was always unethical, sheesh. As are patents.

          Their work is their copy, not all copies. My number eight is not your number eight. If you don’t want something copied further, do not release it, fine by me. I will not censor my communications at your whim, and if you try to enforce such censorship against me I will fight and I will win. I suspect you’re not a programmer or engineer and have no idea how communications actually work. What the MAFIAA want is actually ultimately straight-up physically impossible. We’ve actually won already, it would just be nice if the legal system caught up.

      • An Unwashed Heathen

        He’s a troll alright, but he’s all for the MAFIAA. They pay him in bags of nose snow, that’s why he rarely makes sense.

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

          I guess need proof when making outrageous claims anymore? Ok, then I guess you’re a child kidnapper allright!

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

          I guess need proof when making outrageous claims anymore? Ok, then I guess you’re a child kidnapper allright!

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

          Guest101 – How is letting people freely help themselves to other people’s work more ethical? I fail to see how downloading constitutes communication either. Communiation usually involves two people holding a conversation.

        • YoureAWanker

          @ Jack Murdock

          Well, you’ve never presented proof to support any of the claims you’ve made on this site. So why should anyone else? One good turn deserves another. It’s funny, I see you ask for proof or citations and evidence whenever anyone contradicts you, or says something you don’t like, but you don’t do give any yourself when asked to do the same. Or even beforehand, to support your statements. Pot meet kettle, you’re both black.

    • Predator

      haha! Now you are working for the FED too?

      Oooooh! Some people does not like their dirty laundries hanged in the air for the all word to see?

      Too bad!

      If our government was not controlled by parasites and criminals they will be no need for wikileaks.

      Sorry but AS TAX PAYERS WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS DOING WITH OUR MONEY. IF THEY COMMITS CRIMES IN OUR NAMES WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW THIS TOO!

      Tell your bosses that they must prepare to go to the slammer and stay there for a very long time because we the people are coming for them. US will remain a nation of law whether they like it or not.

      • BorgCollective

        “US will remain a nation of law whether they like it or not. ”

        When did that happen..?

        • Don Weber

          In reality, he will turn terrorist or give up.
          If he’s angry now, wait until he sees the truth of his law abiding nation.

    • Trespass

      There were no lives in jeopardy. If the government would give us the truth, the whole truth, then there would be no need for Wikileaks. The only thing that bothers me about the whole affair is that I cannot trust what news the government sees fit for us to know. If you trust what you hear on CNN or (heaven forbid) Fox news then you are a bigger idiot than I thought.

      Go play with the other sheeple….

    • Trespass

      There were no lives in jeopardy. If the government would give us the truth, the whole truth, then there would be no need for Wikileaks. The only thing that bothers me about the whole affair is that I cannot trust what news the government sees fit for us to know. If you trust what you hear on CNN or (heaven forbid) Fox news then you are a bigger idiot than I thought.

      Go play with the other sheeple….

    • Don Weber

      Oh no.
      Some murderers and henchmen for the CIA may get hurt, if the whole world sees how they handcuff children and shoot them in the head.
      Then airstrike the evidence.
      Ponder your handlers God complex you fucking filthy cog.

    • YoureAWanker

      Well, let’s see, the info has been out for ages now, and how many deaths have resulted from it? Zero. I’ve looked at the info and checked out various news sites and articles, and not one death or even casualty (as in just harm) can be attributed to any of the leaks from Wikileaks. NOT ONE. Also, why just blame Assange? How much sensitive information is placed into the hands of politicians who let things slip? I believe there was a CIA agent outed during the Bush administration because her husband was speaking out against the government. Wikileaks had nothing to do with that outing. And that was much more serious. Then again, why would you point out that? It doesn’t help your anti-Wikileaks stance. Sorry to say, but governments should be afraid of their people, not the other way around. If the government was honest with us, there’d be no need for anything like Wikileaks. That people like you support having the truth hidden from the rest of us is reasons why corrupt governments are still around and still able to lie to the people. You’re part of the problem, Wikileaks isn’t.

  • Anonymous

    Wait, that might seem chump change to release a song which probably cost a few thousand to produce, but what’s less clear is whether they’d want to “pre-release” a $200+ mil (to produce) blockbuster to gain acccess to top sites (afterall, once it’s out, it’s out… and they’ve just stuck Hollywood with a bill for a few $MILLION when a good copy gets released EARLY)Just to take down a few so-called high rollers. You can’t get up early enough to tackle those Asian pirates, they’re quite crafty and use the best of the best… what’s a little more likely is to bust one and turn him (or her) against everyone else.. which is not cool and in the grand scheme of things would only be a minor setback (if or when that should ever happen). Just because the pirates call the MPAA the MAfiaa doesn’t mean they organize and work the same polar opposite way… oh well, live & learn..

    BTW, the main reason why they’re targeting TOPSITES is because they’re probably making money off the piracy vs doing it for the heck of it, to practice hacking/pirating skills, etc. At The Pirate Bay’s height of influence they were turning a slight profit which was (of course) reinvested back into the site to make it stronger & more redundant than ever. Microsoft’s gonna have their work cut-out for them in windows 8.. to fix all the new security holes punched in websites that have streaming (pirated) video..

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  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    I doubt if the site that I’m an unpaid, voluntary Admin would qualify as a “topsite”, but we accept industry spies as Members in our semi-private site (ie it’s open to join without restriction or invitation).

    Our intention is to work WITH the industry so they gain more cash, but so far they’ve mostly adopted an aggressive, threatening and demanding stance which has mostly been rejected – but not in full.

    We continue to tolerate the “known spies” and allow these valued Members to post in our Forum (so long as they abide by our Rules and refrain from being disruptive or offensive to fellow Members etc). So far this strategy has worked and we’re sorta ‘working together’ with a few different independent production studios who like to rattle our cage on occasion. But it’s mostly amicable these days.

    I wonder if the DHS’s ICE et al could learn a few lessons from our tentative rapprochement huh? If so, it would undoubtedly provide the studios with a better balance sheet and increased cash-flow.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    I doubt if the site that I’m an unpaid, voluntary Admin would qualify as a “topsite”, but we accept industry spies as Members in our semi-private site (ie it’s open to join without restriction or invitation).

    Our intention is to work WITH the industry so they gain more cash, but so far they’ve mostly adopted an aggressive, threatening and demanding stance which has mostly been rejected – but not in full.

    We continue to tolerate the “known spies” and allow these valued Members to post in our Forum (so long as they abide by our Rules and refrain from being disruptive or offensive to fellow Members etc). So far this strategy has worked and we’re sorta ‘working together’ with a few different independent production studios who like to rattle our cage on occasion. But it’s mostly amicable these days.

    I wonder if the DHS’s ICE et al could learn a few lessons from our tentative rapprochement huh? If so, it would undoubtedly provide the studios with a better balance sheet and increased cash-flow.

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  • Blowm3

    ironicly its p2p thats doing all the leaking its not the topsites anymore.
    waste of time and man power and money going after topsites.when p2p is the real problem.there will always be a hardcore piracy underground it been around now for close to 30 years the real oldschool warez scene do not profit off piracy its all about sharing within the scene,archives and collectors of media.when there so many websites and p2p ppl that are the main problem.

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