Anti-Piracy Action Closes Yet More Fansub Sites
Written by enigmax on March 01, 2009Once thought to be operating well under the radar, recent months have seen fresh efforts to silence sites that provide fan-created translations of movies and TV shows for their home countries. The latest targets for shutdown – Israel and France.
With the assistance of ALIS (Israel’s answer to the MPAA), in late 2007 raids were conducted on the homes of the admins of three sites known as ‘xvoom’, ‘MYakuza’ and ‘Donkey‘ which carried Hebrew subtitles for US movies.
ALIS reached private agreements with the admins of ‘xvoom’ and ‘MYakuza’, under which the sites would be closed and compensation paid.
“The feeling is very difficult. A website that I have put 2.5 years of work into was closed”, said the owner of ‘mYakuza’, who didn’t hire a legal team. “Links to illegal films were never available on the website but I preferred not to destroy my life and decided to shut it down completely. They have more lawyers and money. We came out lucky.”
Effi Teva, the admin of ‘Donkey’ wasn’t included in the settlement and legal procedures against him have begun.
Last Wednesday, the district court in Haifa, Israel, ordered the permanent closure of the movie and TV subtitling sites donkey.co.il and sratim.co.il.
The court decided that the sites infringed copyrights by offering links to unauthorized subtitles and Judge Gideon Ginat ruled that the defendant, Effi Teva, should pay compensation of 160,000 shekels to ALIS and various filmmakers, which includes the lawyers’ fee of 60,000 shekels.
Effi Teva didn’t give any testimony. The previous hearing in the case took place in 2007, but Teva didn’t show up then either, instead asking the plaintiff’s lawyer to request an extension.
Judge Ginat says that Teva requested postponements numerous times. “I want to make it clear”, said the judge, “that I said in the last meeting to those present that I won’t be able to keep postponing the dates of the hearing.”
Judge Ginat criticized the behavior of the defendant and his lawyer and said, “It goes without saying that the defendant and his proxy cannot dictate the hearing date in a last minute phone call.”
Lawyer Sarah Prazanti, who represents movie anti-piracy outfit ALIS said that the judge refused to accept the request to postponed the hearing, and gave the verdict. Effi Teva did not comment on the matter.
In France this week, Warner has been taking action of its own against subtitling sites. It says that such sites “make intellectual property available to the public without authorization,” such as foreign translations of Warner productions. “This,” says Warner in threats to various subtitling sites, “will affect your liability and exposes you to possible civil lawsuits.”
One site under threat is ‘Frigorifix’, which appears to be taking the threat seriously. “Never, until now have we had threats from rights holders that are as real and immediate as the ones we received yesterday.”
“Our names and addresses are listed with our registrar and web host,” said a representative of the site, “and we can not afford to undergo a judicial process.”
It is believed that members of the site will continue to translate, but no subtitles will be available from the site itself.
Earlier this month we reported on the problems faced by Brazilian sub-site Legendas.tv after anti-piracy action, but it quickly bounced back.
Thanks go to Q-subs translator ‘Godfather’
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126 Responses
This is appalling. It amounts to nothing more than bullying.
This guy Teva was stupid though. Not showing up to court was a bad move.
First
Hard to believe. Why would the acronymns squash user generated subtitles? I dont get it. If I watch an italian movie lets say and ask a friend over to interpet, how is downloading subtitles different?
Who is impacted ? Are they saying Italian is copyrighted?
This is preposterous.
Fsck the copyright nazis. We can just continue to distribute the subs as we distribute the subbed video files.
The only thing such fascist censorhip actions can achieve is convincing the users to NEVER EVER give any money to those companies.
IF they think they can stop the whole planet from communicating, they are mistaken. Badly. Fsck em. (But keep sharing their shows.)
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> Who is impacted?
Nobody has to be impacted. The copyright cansorship law gives them the power to do what they want, impacted or not. They dont have to first prove impact to misuse the law.
Why is this any concern of copyright – if I privately translate a movie and make that translation available to others then why is it the business of the MPAA and such? Isn’t it my intellectual property?
I don’t get it.
http://i42.tinypic.com/ymbd0.jpg
Do not translate movies, its illegal: Sounds fucking weird, pardon my french, but the heck?! I mean, if a person decides to translate a movie that doesnt have a specific, it should be fine, is there any other way to get subtitles? I mean, get in touch with a firm that can do it will just take time, and probably wont help, its like suing some1 to citing something in a blog post or something…
Wow, and once again the industry completely ignores the implications of a global market and instead sues their own potential customers. I bet if they’d sub the movies in time and sell them in those places they could make money off off it. Instead they choose to ignore that there is an international market for movies and try to segment that into more and more chunks to press money out.
Screw them, I know why I don’t go to the cinema anymore and only buy DVDs that are actually worth their money.
Surely someone elses translation would be far different from the official translation which should mean it doesn’t fall under there so called “copyright”.
“Screw them, I know why I don’t go to the cinema anymore and only buy DVDs that are actually worth their money.”
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Can one of you MPAA types explain this? I dont get it at all. I would be interested in your take on it.
“This is appalling. It amounts to nothing more than bullying.”
Which is why…
Down with the MPAA!
Down with the ALIS!
Are we going to respect the heads of the MPAA and ALIS as respectable human beings? Surely they are pond scum and merely that.
In order to use “fanned subtitles” as you call them, you would first have to obtain a pirate copy of the film. In addition, the script is copyrighted by the screenwriters, producers, MPAA, et al. Finally, releases in different regions are planned carefully to achieve the maximum marketshare. By allowing Israel users to watch the movies before it has been authorized in their area, you damage the industry. Why would an Israeli buy a movie with Hebrew subs if they could just download them?
Also, pirates of the world, unite! For pirates are in chains almost everywhere, in France, in Israel, and in almost all countries on earth, and only if we unite can we free ourselves from our chains.
These mafiaa bullying fuckers will get what they deserved: get their empty heads chopped off and put on spikes
@15 MPAA type
I could argue a great deal with all the things you say but it would be preaching to the choir.
I do thank you however for your response.
To clarify, surely we need to form some kind of pirates’ union. For only if we form a union of pirates can we free ourselves from our bondage to the industry. Will you live, a slave to the profit margins of the industry, or will you fight against it, fight against your subservience, and declare yourself not to be subservient to the interests of the industry? What we must do is we must form a pirates’ union to fight against these MPAA &c. people, for as long as we do not, we will continue to be subservient vassals to the industry and its profit margins. Live free or die!
@15, why does it have to be a pirated copy of the video content? I’m pretty sure at least a few of the mainstream video players allow importing of subtitles. At the worst you’d have to make your own MKV container which would take all of 3 minutes. I didn’t even know it was possible to claim copyright to translations =/
Also, the Donkey.co.il link broke
@18, or a political party: http://www.pirate-party.us
=)
@20 Widget
Except that a political party is not a pirates’ union. A political party is a political party. Like the democratic party or the republican party. I doubt that many people will switch parties for this. Moreover, third parties are disadvantaged in the U.S. due to the plurality system.
A non-governmental organization is what is needed: a pirates’ union, which does not exist as of now, in the United States at least.
@MPAA type
not true. you could import a dvd, make your own legal backup and apply the subtitles.
legally i would say they did not have the right to sue him because he only provided user-generated content.
politically i would say they should get the hell off my boat cause copyright laws don’t apply to digital content.
@www.10ch.org
while you are busy fighting the enemy you become the next beast blocking the path to freedom. who am i to judge the stupid. continue.
And I thought you couldn’t attach copyright to strings of text.
Damn I was wrong.
@7
“Isn’t it my intellectual property?”
It works as follows: The original script still isn’t your property and your translation (a derivative work) may not be distributed unless granted permission.
if their translation differs slightly from the actual script. then that wouldn’t be copyrighted.
How long till they copyright every common sentence. will our Emails & texts be subject to copyright infringement?
People, we must for a new pirates union!
If you’re with me, say (or write) “aye!”
@Shin no Noir
no, cause he didn’t sell them. you can draw a fan-comic of batman and superman having a drinking contest but you cannot turn it into a commercial product.
oh, so you are saying plot summaries are copyright infringement, too? congratz, you just criminalized every single film community in the internet.
(Correction to a spelling error in the last comment 27)
People, we must form a new pirates’ union!
Who’s with me? If you’re with me, say (or write) “aye!”
@www.10ch.org, I agree we all need to unite to sort the problems. However I disagree that anyone should “fight” (and that applies to both sides), I think if somehow we can get people from both sides to sit down and have a constructive and civil discussion than a mutually beneficial/acceptable resolution can be found.
The problem is that all the fighting, legal action etc has got emotions running so high it would be near imposable to arrange such a discussion.©
http://www.10ch.org shut the **** up already
@30 nnsa
“I agree we all need to unite to sort the problems. However I disagree that anyone should ‘fight’ (and that applies to both sides), I think if somehow we can get people from both sides to sit down and have a constructive and civil discussion than a mutually beneficial/acceptable resolution can be found.”
How are you going to suppose that civil discussion will change anything? That’s like saying, in a war, when the powerful enemy is about to wage a massive offensive, that somehow nice diplomacy will talk the enemy out of attacking. Nope, not going to happen.
@22 Nono
not to point out the obvious but you could come here from another country purchase a movie and need to download subtitles to understand the script copyrighted or not.
There are lots of people in the US
that are not English speakers.
@30 nnsa
“I agree we all need to unite to sort the problems. However I disagree that anyone should ‘fight’ (and that applies to both sides), I think if somehow we can get people from both sides to sit down and have a constructive and civil discussion than a mutually beneficial/acceptable resolution can be found.”
Like that has ever worked in the last 10 years. No, it will not work, it does not work because the industry is inherently selfish, and will not give up their power except by force. The only acceptable solution to the MPAA and other industry organizations is the destruction of all pirates. There is no “mutually” acceptable solution.
This is stupid. Its just fucking subs.
Ugh these types of things make me sick!
@30 nnsa
Suggested change:
“The only acceptable solution to the MPAA and other industry organizations is the destruction of all pirates, the internet or both. There is no “mutually” acceptable solution.”
not to put words in your mouth.
if on your website you put on plain translation text , not in any subtitle format file (.srt) . no one can sue you for this
This is just lame, if this continues like this, in a couple of years we won’t be able to communicate without infringing copyrights.
there is a good site for brilliant subs in germany, too. since i know it i am using it. i hope it will stay forever !
nowadays i’ve seen so many things – i don’t need these subs anymore.
and if the fuKcers want me to not see their films at all, i’ll create my own content for the rest of the world. perhaps some homemade movies for youtube or youpron, etc..
in germany police did a house search last week because they say a guy has uploaded a piece of software (costs 50-175$) via emule.
you know human rights ? copying file > human rights
sorry, i mentioned:
copyright > human right
Hey boss
boogers, those pirates have leaked our region 5 (latest crap movie)!
Should we halt or continue our bullshit release schedule to achieve maximum share as predicted by the morons in the accounting office ?
Executives: No, have the goon squad (MPAA) destroy the internet and execute them (after you prosecute).
“if on your website you put on plain translation text , not in any subtitle format file (.srt) . no one can sue you for this”
why do i doubt the legal background of this … ?
@38 yeah quite a few subtitle sites are hosted in germany , hope there wont be such problems around here soon.
This article is the perfect accompaniment to the one before (Fraud, Abuse and Legal Sham)
If this poor bloke didn’t break any laws (which I assume) he should, no he must defend himself.
This is what not so long ago, the whole of the civilised world was fighting for,
democracy, freedom and equality.
I’m not in any way against globalisation, or ‘the big corporate machine’, but in this case they’ve operated outside sensible borders, because they’ve chosen to hit us (all) in the one place that really hurts these days, for us lucky westerners (which in this instance includes quite a lot more than if you’re talking about say religion or health care).
A little political moment there.
watching carefully,
-stefano
@15 Mar 01, 2009 at 16:17 by MPAA type
do you really believe you are capable of preventing “industry” from “damages” THIS WAY? you must be a complete dumbass then.
ROFL.
@29 Aye!
@2 lololol
@41 because it’s obviously wrong. That’s like saying that if you host a movie on your site, not in any video format, no one can sue you for this. “Oh hai, I was just using this as a big fuckin’ file of doom that people could use for shits and giggles.”
I am boycotting the majors movies company member of the MPAA. These parasites can do whatever they want it is not going to make me got to the movie theater or by DVDs
Sorry!
BOYCOTT THE MEMBER OF THE MPAA AND RIAA BOYCOTT THE COMPANIES OF PARASITES UNTIL THEY DIE!
if AMAS want to blow up ALIS I will help them.
It is way better than to randomly try to kill inoncent people.
Is n’t it?
Humanity have to learn who are their real enemies and gather together to fight them every where in the world.
@19
In order to create the mkv, you would have to decrypt the DVD ’s CSS protection which is illegal. Even if you could sub directly from the dvd, it would still be illegal because that would require a region-free DVD player to circumvent the region protection.
@22
Only providing a link to user-generated content is no excuse. If someone told you where to find a nuclear weapon (made by someone else) and you detonated it, who would be to blame?
@43
Do you really believe you are capable of making a cogent argument? Come back when you’ve graduated from kindergarten.
Piracy is just like murder, only you are killing the people who make the content you claim to enjoy.
To the ‘MPAA type’. The MPAA is ripping off the movie industry more than the pirates. Who are after all your everyday consumer.
The MPAA is bankrolled by the likes of Warner and as ANY business its future depends on its continuied worth in the marketplace. So I don’t expect you to understand what I’m about to say;
Ever heard of ‘Globalisation’? The movie industry’s neolithic model doesn’t work in today’s world. Time they forgot about ‘maximising market share’ by releasing region by region because either this maximisation works, in which case, your people have no case or it doesn’t because the pirates get there first. Whichever way you look at it, your client’s business model needs to keep up. I doubt you’ll pass this wisdom on though, otherwise you’re out of a job.
“BOYCOTT THE MEMBER OF THE MPAA AND RIAA BOYCOTT THE COMPANIES OF PARASITES UNTIL THEY DIE!”
Unfortunately, this will work only if many, many people are boycotting, and only if this boycotting is an organized effort. They will not die this way.
They will, however, die, if all of us unite together to fight against them. Make them die now!
“Piracy is just like murder, only you are killing the people who make the content you claim to enjoy.”
In fact, they ought to die.
Death to the MPAA heads, and all people working for the MPAA!
If anyone ought to be murdered in cold blood, it is the people working for the MPAA. Let them burn in hell!
ya know you dont need to crack nohting to make a sub
get seocnd box and talk while the 1st one plays , hten you make and type that out YA thats old school slow but that shows htere truly isnt a lawy being broken , its like me listening to a radio and taping it
your saying thats illegal is foolish and as such casstes and vcr tapes need to be illegal
and dvdrs and cdrs
and heck
like that hammer that killed a guys wife after she abused the guy for 20 years make the hammers illegal
THATS IT i want to start bugging other businesses about there ILLEGAL PRODUCTS
call CANADIAN TIRE TODAY DEMAND THEY REMOVE HAMMERS IMMEDIATELY
wait that infrastructure would take an awful hit without any hammer…..
message to 9 inch nails , considering you had a bad row with your ex label , why not put the NAIL in the coffin and release an album yourselves on the pirate bay and then tell the pirate bay you will show up in court on there behalf
OH is any one thinking strategy in that case?
one more thing, do you believe that this;
‘Piracy is just like murder, only you are killing the people who make the content you claim to enjoy.’
is a cogent arguemnt? Then we must have wildly differing definitions of the word. I get your point, there are obviously alot of angsty teenagers posting but your counter is even more ridiculous for someone who claims to be a MPAA rep.
Besides does the industry believe that criminalising or disproportionate civil claims is going to win over tomorrows consumer?
I hate fansubs, they are stupid, and most of the time, it’s probably translated wrong, especially if it’s English or Japanese. Anyway, glad to see them go away. It’s just easier to download something in the language you can speak than to have to read stupid subtitles for a three hour movie.
Is it legal to qoute a few lines from a movie on a blog?
“Piracy is just like murder, only you are killing the people who make the content you claim to enjoy.”
Indeed, someone ought to kill those MPAA bastards. Those MPAA bastards will stop at nothing until all pirates are destroyed. No “nice conversation” will ever convince them ever to stop. The only way to stop the MPAA is by force, and that is, through killing them. Kill or be killed by the MPAA.
Someone said
“It’s just easier to download something in the language you can speak than to have to read stupid subtitles for a three hour movie.”
I can not watch a movie if it is not in original language and I am sure I am not alone.
So what can for example Germans,Italians do without subtitle sites?
They do not show the movies/tv shows in original language.
I don’t get it, fansubs (just the subs themselves) should not be illegal. They were made by the fans, and they can be used with legal movies.
I guess it’s different there in Israel and France. No Fair Use Policy, maybe?
Well… I don’t own any genuine DVDs because I’m hardcore. But, doesn’t VLC play DVDs? And doesn’t it also support separate subtitle files?
So theoretically you could play a genuine DVD with user generated subtitles like that.
Like many others, I’m having trouble understanding how this is defensible as a drain on the MPAA’s miniscule profits. What if you translated a movie into Klingon? Would the MPAA still be opposed to that? Somehow I think they would be, which makes me wonder, what about lesser-spoken languages? If there’s never an official translation for it, anybody who only speaks that language would be unable to enjoy the movie.
Also, what if you completely changed the story by way of your own subtitles? That way it wouldn’t be a derivative work. I would be very interested to see how the MPAA would claim copyright on that. They’d definitely try if it was making money for someone other than them ¬¬.
We at the MPAA see a problem with subtitles and movies. In order that everyone of all languages be able to enjoy todays films we are henceforth only going to make films in klingon.
A decoder will be available for a fee at our site based on the region you live in and whether the film you wish to view is within the schedule we ordain.
Sorry for the inconvenience but hey were the mpaa, get over it.
@48
Perhaps the industry would be more keen to Globalization if the “fanned subtitles” community hadn’t already stolen the market share?
@51
Hammers have legitimate uses. Unauthorized illegal copyright infringing “fanned subtitles” do not.
@53
Piracy causes harm to everyone who works hard to make a film. I think it should be obvious that when you steal a film, you are ensuring that those who produced it will not be compensated for their efforts.
Piracy leads to a decrease in sales. A lack of sales indicates that a film is not well liked by the masses. If a film is not liked by the masses, it is killed (no sequels, tv rights, etc).
@58
Even if you did not have a copy of the film (import DVD or pirate) “fanned subs” would still be infringing copyright by allowing users to read the entire dialogue and events of the movie. This is not the same as a plot summary or a few quotes, as they do not represent the movie in its entirety.
@59
Once again, DVDs have region specific protection. The “import dvd” you are buying is from another region. In order to play it, you would need to bypass this region protection, which is illegal.
It is the copyright holder’s right to choose whether or not to allow translation into a particular language. This is guaranteed to him by law as the creator of the work.
There would be no issue if the subtitles changed the story completely (ie. different character names, dialogue, plot, scenario). However, that is not the case here. The “fanned subtitles” contain a translation of the events of the copyrighted movie.
Besides, who would want to listen to something in Klingon? What are you, a nerd or something?
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Ideas are property too, just as real as a car or house.
If ALIS enforces copyright in Israel, I wonder if they also enforce copyright in Gaza, where piracy is said to be rampant?
Is owning a dvd player that plays all regions illegal? Am I breaking the law by owning one? Is Future Shop breaking the law for selling it to me? Is Yamaha breaking the law for making it? Is my friend breaking the law for telling me about its existence?
I have 2 drives on my computer, each with a different region so that I can watch dvd’s that don’t get released in North America. Is that illegal? And whose fault is it for letting that happen? Mine or Microsoft’s?
Oh, I get it, it’s MY fault because I’m the one who can’t afford the lawyers! But only AFTER the MPAA comes in and convinces the government to change the law. It all makes sense!
I admit first off I dont know the legality of dvd regionism. Perhaps the mpaa has rammed that down the us trade depts throats somehow.
But I think it has backfired on them,
Anyone cat get a hacked dvd player, or download software to play region free. Pirates in Region 5 systematically get DVD’s months ahead of release in the US and then upload them causing widespread distribution of pre-released material. Would not it be prudent to release everywhere the same day to prevent this? No they want this business model mentioned back in @15. Rather than realize their error they just sue everyone. As far as I am concerned they are partially responsible for the issue.
And what about someone who buys a DVD in the US and needs subtitles to understand the audio?
Perhaps the best solution then is that we form some sort of… underground digital distribtion system, that operates in a way that flies in the face of all laws, and leverages the semi-anonymity of the internet to conceal the guilt of those involved. With that we could pretty much share whatever we liked without worrying about draconian or misguided laws! We’d just need to keep doing that until the rest of the world catches up, like licenses for CB radios. Nobody had them when it was most popular, now you don’t need one. (in the UK at least) And so, the world keeps turning in its own slanted and inefficient manner, with vast quantities of people forced to break laws, resulting in the authorities being forced to turn a blind eye to it until eventually one of them decides to do something about it.
@61/MPPA Type
I think it safe to say that just finding one instance where piracy hurt sales for a quality product is pretty difficult. Piracy has proven that its capable of creating cult followings and huge sales for movies that would have otherwise been ignored by the mainstream.
It also introduces content to new markets without costing anyone a dime. Piracy is the best thing that ever happened to the entertainment business. The only reason the entertainment gluttons have a problem with it is because they can no longer centralize and control the flow of information and entertainment.
i know this is off topic but can torrentfreak check out why empornium is being attacked……….again. very annoying.
looking forward to more on TPB trial 2morrow!!
I still don’t get how it can be illegal to produce your own ORIGINAL material – in this case subtitles for some random show.
MpaaType says: Once again, DVDs have region specific protection. The “import dvd” you are buying is from another region. In order to play it, you would need to bypass this region protection, which is illegal.
Umm… illegal? Well, it’s completely legal to own an all region player in Australia.
Also, it’s not illegal to own a dvd player that will play both pal and ntsc, which means that it is legal for those in the UK (region 2, PAL) to import dvds from Japan (region 2, NTSC). Your logic doesn’t completely work for all cases.
If the original producers wanted their work in another language, they would have provided it. If your language is not present, too damn bad, just suck it up and go away.
Because if you insist on taking and reworking an entire work by someone else without their consent, compensation or permission, we will find you, strap you to table in a back room and euthanize you until you are no longer a threat to the order.
Reasoned Mind says:If the original producers wanted their work in another language, they would have provided it. If your language is not present, too damn bad, just suck it up and go away.
It’s always nice when someone who is able to watch anything that they want in their own language says something like that. I have seen you complaining about pirated works many times (which is an argument that while I don’t agree with, is one that does make sense), but to tell those who actually purchase legit works that they are scum because the work is not in their own language (which can apply to immigrants who purchase works in the country they have moved to that are completely legal and in the region of the country that they live in) doesn’t make sense. I guess having a “reasoned mind” doesn’t always mean having common sense.
Copyright holders continue to try and mold society, instead of molding their business model to fit society.
“make intellectual property available to the public without authorization,”
You got to be fucking kidding me, right?
What intellectual property?! I can transcribe whatever I want while I watch a movie. No one, and I mean NO ONE has any copyright on that but me, as long as I didn’t copy / paste 1:1 the actual movie script.
Some retards there are….un-fucking-believeable.
Fucking cunts.. these guys never did anything wrong but make subtitles for moviemakers who are too lazy to translate their movies themselves.
Someone can just buy a DVD in his country legally and use a mp3 player with mic recording and record the audio from the room.
This way you don’t break any protection of the DVD and it’s legal.
You can send then the audio recording to someone willing to translate.
In theory, it’s legal because you’re not publicly broadcasting the DVD or video, even the audio you record it’s not publicly broadcasted.
The sub guy can then create a sub from the audio, as a transcription of the audio.
The problem is no matter how many precautions you take and how legal you are, you’d still be sued by RIAA and you won’t have money to afford getting a lawyer and winning the lawsuits.
@70, Anti-Piracy outfits run off the assumption that a pirated copy is a lost sale. If you tell people that they shouldn’t download some subtitles and to go away and continue to not buy your product, are you any better than the pirates? You should be sued for thousands of dollars for not trying to force people to buy movies that they won’t be able to understand properly.
Well, my dear MPAA type, movie industry and the rest of the world :
I will not pretend how legal or moral is seeing pirated movies or enjoying pirated music. Basically, it is not.
But what is the point – you cant do anything with it. If all those copright organizations think they will stop it – they wont.
Technically, those organizations are like army, that will throw bombs to the public only because they want total control how their stuff is released. It is nonsence; you cant win like that. Your bombs will kill your customers, not those guys hidden in the rocks.
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So, dear right-holders, are you supposed to do?
EVOLVE! For piracy is nothing, NOTHING but a concurent to you, that grown on your weaknesses. And again and again, instead of LEARNING, you do only fighting with your own shadow.
You see pirating users only from your point of wiew. You have never ever thought, that THEY are POTENCIAL CUSTOMERS that you are loosing, because you do not fit in their requests. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THEY do it ONLY because they dont want to spend a penny?
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The biggest problem EVER whole hollywood has is – they think it is because of the money.. they ignore the rest.
I dont want to go to the shop, buy a dvd, see a dvd, buy another, see another. I want browse, i want my friend to tell me “hey, this xyz film is great, check it”… i want to download it, see it. If I am happy with it, i would GLADLY spend some money for it.
Piracy wins because – i go, DL a simple, easy .avi file with no bullshit around, i can watch it, i can throw it away, i can instantly DL another. I can enjoy it and watch it with my friends next day, moved on a flash.
The price is not the ultimate catch. It is of philosophy. You try to sell the Your way how ppl see your stuff.
But even the slightest vision of “a man who seen a milisecond of our stuf in the way we do not intedned and didnt pay” scares you so much, that you are stucked in the ancient times.
What is the point of this they are still buying the product.
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TPB FTW
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“I think if somehow we can get people from both sides to sit down and have a constructive and civil discussion than a mutually beneficial/acceptable resolution can be found.”
Why ought we respect the MAFIAA in any way, shape or form? The MAFIAA is completely despicable, and it is completely stupid to pay them any respect by being “nice” to them. The MAFIAA are simply bad people, and there is no way any civil discussion can ever defeat those villains.
So the real steps that will not destroy the piracy, because IT IS NOT PIRACY WHAT makes your profits smaller. BUT it will increase your profits.
1) Stop totally messing ppl up with DRM, “protection money” for every empty recordable medium, and stop telling them what they should do, instead of listening to them. CUSTOMER is the master, not you.
2) Do a huge matrix of free, hi quallity, best jewelled and -best done- stuff with no limits, simple to acces and manipulate and play. Not even the biggest and best pirate site on the world, CANNOT compete with this. WHICH can people easily acces, and easily download.
3) about paying, there are more options. Pay per download – smaller prize. Optional prize. Prizes for special versions – small def, hi-def, pay after wiew (with limit)… Paying methods must be really, really totally brutally simple.
You can win over pirates, and making big profits anyway. Use human biggest weakness – lazyness. Offer them THE BEST in the way they want for a prize, that counts.
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GODDAMN, TRY TO MOTIVATE PEOPLE,
WIN YOUR SALES BECAUSE OF YOUR OFFERS,
NOT THROUGH SCARING AND ENSLAVING THEM.
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You can’t compete with free. If we were to do any of the aforementioned business ideas, we would essentially be throwing money down the drain. If piracy will continue, as you claim, our only recourse is to create new and better DRM, and increase our prices to compensate for the increasing number of lost sales.
@MPAA Shill
“In order to use “fanned subtitles” as you call them, you would first have to obtain a pirate copy of the film.”
Hahahah.
Sorry, but no. Most DVD playing software supports the loading of custom subtitle tracks. They have for several years now. Also, I hear that pretty soon, computers will start coming with these crazy new things called a “GUI” and a “mouse”!
Jesus Christ. For you to be this far out of the loop and so technologically clueless, it really must be true that you work for the MPAA. Well then, congradulations on being part of the world’s largest crime family. Say Hi! to the Don for me.
@MPAA Shill
“Finally, releases in different regions are planned carefully to achieve the maximum marketshare.”
Here’s a free hint for you. Just like every other bunch of consumers on the face of the Earth, Israeli consumers don’t give a damn about helping a multi-billion dollar industry achieve the maximum marketshare. What they do give a damn about is that what little foreign entertainment is EVER allowed to be released in their region by the MPAA/ALIS comes out months after the rest of the world has already seen it, the translation is typically poor and quite butchered, the movie itself is typically censored, and the price is completely out of touch with the local economy.
People don’t turn to fansubs because they’re free, they turn to fansubs to get away from the multi-billion dollar industry that’s trying to force a broken, anti-consumer business model down their throats(as well as inferior, butchered products). The fact that it happens to be free is merely icing on the cake.
@MPAA Shill
“In order to create the mkv, you would have to decrypt the DVD ’s CSS protection which is illegal. ”
Circumventing CSS is only illegal in backwards countries where the government is more interested in serving wealthy corporate lobbyists than serving its own people. There’s also nothing illegal about a region free DVD player, unless you hacked the firmware, but that usually just voids the warrently. Try again.
@MPAA Shill
“If someone told you where to find a nuclear weapon (made by someone else) and you detonated it, who would be to blame?”
So according to your mentally ill ravings, Google is to blame for several counts of murder, because there have been cases where somebody has literally Googled “how to commit murder” and then actually done it.
Infact, if you gave directions to the bank to some little old lady, and she ended up robbing it with a sub michinegun she was hiding in her purse, then by your very own reasoning, you’d be guilty of robbery.
I can see now that you and logic are truly mortal enemies. Then again, the MPAA has a mandatory policy that every word their cronies utter must never be tainted by filthy reality, so this comes as little surprise.
@MPAA Shill
“Do you really believe you are capable of making a cogent argument?”
You really shouldn’t throw stones. You aren’t capable of making an argument, cogent or otherwise. The most you can do is repeat lies like a mantra.
@MPAA Shill
“Piracy is just like murder, only you are killing the people who make the content you claim to enjoy.”
BWHAHAHAH!!
Well, I hate to inform you, but we’re only killing the irrelevent middlemen that make their living by wrongning us, and wronging the people that make the content we enjoy. The IFPI and its subsidiariesis are nothing more than a cancerous tumor on the face of the content industry. You point at the surgery to remove this growth and call it “killing”, but that isn’t accurate. It’s called saving the host.
@MPAA Shill
“I think it should be obvious that when you steal a film ….”
Ah, and speaking of repeating lies like a mantra, here’s the IFPI’s alltime greatest hit. FILESHARING = STEALING!!!
Do you think we’re stupid? Do you think we’re retarded? Because I wonder, just how braindead would a person have to be to actually buy the fallacy that duplicating a DVD, and then taking the duplicate DVD for your own use, somehow means that you’ve stolen the original DVD from its owner when THE ORIGINAL OWNER STILL HAS THE ORIGINAL DVD SITTING RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM?
Stealing doesn’t work when the “victim” of “theft” still retains the “stolen” item in their possession after the “theft” has occured. This is how filesharing works, and consequently, the reason that filesharing isn’t stealing. The reason, incase you’re a little slow, is that is that nothing has been taken from its owner. But go ahead, keep telling the lie that downloading is stealing. We’ll all keep ripping it to shreds for as long as you can keep lying.
@MAFIAA Shill
“It is the copyright holder’s right to choose whether or not to allow translation into a particular language. This is guaranteed to him by law as the creator of the work.”
Oh, Mr. Greedy Power-Mad Meglomaniac, the Internet has a message for you. It says, consider that right revoked.
You don’t get to decide if and when we get to see and hear something, anymore. If you can’t manage to give us simultaneous realeases in all regions with accurate, uncensored translations, all for a reasonable price, we’re gonna do it for you.
And you? You’re gonna sit there and take it.
@MPAA type
There are two kinds of free. Free as in ‘gratis’ and as in ‘freedom’. Likewise, you have two kinds of pirates. Those who pirate because they don’t want to pay and those who pirate because that way, they get the freedom to listen/watch the way they want. The first will NEVER buy your movie anyway. The latter (I’m one of them) are compensating people for their work when they think it’s worth compensating. But, the more you scam them, the less likely they’ll want to see you compensated.
Just get rid of those DRM measures, region codes and god annoying “Piracy is stealing” ads that you can’t skip on a LEGALLY BOUGHT dvd. A great way to threat your customers… and then you’re still surprised you can’t compete with something that has none of this nonsense?
@MPAA type
“You can’t compete with free.”
I think you should change that to “We (MPAA) can’t compete with free.”
Bottled water companies seem to be doing quite well.
Bottled water, iTunes…
If you can’t compete with free, then what the hell have Apple and Evian been doing all this time?
@80
You can ridicule me all you want, but the law is the law.
You can repeat your mantra all you want but it does not change reality.
File Sharing is stealing, pirates are evil, and the MPAA is in the right.
America is a country where people rights and freedoms are protected. By your statements above, it is obvious that you want to abolish a copyright holders rights to do whatever they see fit with their own created work. by opposing these rights, it is clear that you hate America. You hate America, You hate our civil liberties and our freedoms.
Did you know that piracy supports terrorism? Think next time before you buy that bootleg from the guy on the street, or renew your Pirate Bay subscription – The money goes directly to Al-Qaeda.
Don’t worry, the Good Guys will win in the end.
http://www.rlslog.net/piracy-isnt-that-bad-and-they-know-it/ proof piracy is not bad. And for those companies: stop complaining just because someone has filled a need in a market that you were not willing to do yourself. Hire a translator yourself.
@MPAA type
“You can ridicule me all you want, but the law is the law.”
Oh, really? Don’t you really mean the law is the best that your corrupt lobbyists can buy in the UNITED STATES?
File sharing = stealing? How is it that all of the law suits filed by the **AA have all been in civil court for copyright infringement? Ohhh … that’s right, because you say it’s so must make it right.
I don’t think most of the posters here give a rat’s *ss about America. Mostly, they just want to know why America’s corporate mafia can’t stay the hell out of their own country’s business.
Piracy -> Terrorism? You say it’s so that must make it right. Pirate Bay subscription (You’re kidding, right?) money to Al-Qaeda … Bork Bork Bork!
@47 re: response to @22
Why should a service provider be held hostage for providing a tool (which can be used in a legal or illegal way) Google’s search engine allows a user to be able to search for torrent files, which is similar to what pirate bay does.
According to EU law, the service provider isn’t responsible for the information that users exchange through their service. (off the top of my head)
If you are so concerned about the distribution of “unauthorized” content, why don’t you go after the user’s who post this “unauthorized” content (instead of the innocent folks who are providing a legitimate service) , and then you can go after the real criminals here. (maybe that’s not possible for you, considering how many criminals [ordinary citizens] are out there) Maybe you don’t realize it, even if you succeed here, there will be just more new, innovated ways for US to share what we want with who we want. And maybe you should take pointers from your friends over @ the RIAA re: the 15,000 lawsuits, which strategy only amounted to an epic fail.
The internet was created to allow the free exchange of ideas/information, not to be censured by the filthy, greedy corporate pigs who only want to dish out more crappy music and movies, and charge exorbitant prices for them.
Isn’t that how the American political system works. You give your hard-earned profits as campaign dollars, so the lawmakers can make laws that are suited to your liking. Then you go after the average American, who works hard for their living, and only wishes to spend wisely what they have earned. It’s no wonder that people like to have the option of being able to preview what it is they are buying, before they buy it. Maybe you don’t understand that concept. Furthermore, once you come to the realization that your American laws don’t apply anywhere outside of America (despite the numerous attempts of you trying to impose that notion upon other foreign nations)I guess as a last resort, you and your “friends” had to go to Washington, and get them to do your dirty work for you. Did you cry sob, and beg/plead, saying how the industry couldn’t possible survive with all those damn pirates running amok. How else would the US government demand (after having an emergency meeting with Swedish delegates) that the Swedish government intervened on your behalf. (it prob. wasn’t even on their radar, both US and Sweden)
If you only realized that these “pirates” demographically make up a large percent of your customer base. They purchase a CD or a movie, they share with some friends and if those friends like it they go out and buy it. That there is a likelihood that if a user d/l something, they are more inclined to purchase it if they liked it. That by the exposure of new content, how you could have a potentially large percentage of increased sales, from individuals that weren’t aware of it even existing , just because they saw it, and they liked it. Take for example the series Lost. Maybe someone has never seen or heard of Lost. By chance, they happen to come across it on a torrent site, they d/l it, like it, and then buy the dvd box set so they can see the rest of the episodes (d/l could take longer), have the commentary booklet, and any other goodies that are included. That’s one new customer who spent $30-40, who otherwise wouldn’t of purchase it. Why are you going after these good people?
@87
Try 30K+ lawsuits as of September 2008:
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/proving-file-sh.html
@84
You must be drunk.
“Good guys” suing teens and kids …
C O N G R A T U L A T I O N
@84
You seem to have forgotten something (maybe there IS something in the water over there) American law ONLY applies in America. Why are you trying to convince us that this is the only possible applicable law. Might I suggest that the MPAA is trying to take over the world one americanized copyright law after another.
And on a side note, where exactly did you cite that from re: piracy supports terroism. Been sleepin in the same bed as Bush I gather. What credible source do you have to support your outlandish claim?
Hmm… I think MPAA type’s left the building. #84’s definitely somebody else doing satire(Pirate Bay subscription!?), and #87 & #90 is somebody using his name just to annoy him.
Well, unless they actually are still the same person… In which case, he is SO overdue for his medication it’s not even funny.
@61 hrm you say that hammers have legitimate uses is the argument to not have them banned OH boy are you an idiot, that means by your argument cause i can use a cdr as a Frisbee a completely legal use what i put on it is my business and i can do as i wish , like with the hammer i then am able to “legally” pound the MPAA TYPES INTHE HEAD
ROFL
ALSO lets pick apart some falicies, about this form a downlaoding and filesharing
IF i mister poor guy cant already afford that 30$ CDR as you wanted ot sell us in 2005 before filesahring TOOK OFF.
then if i download it how is that a lost sale?
ALSO
while i can steal a hammer form the store and its illegal cause THAT hammer is now gone if i made star trek a reality and replicated myself an exact copy of that hammer YOUR out nothing either.
YES 20 million to say “I’ll be back and stomp around looking tough and have stunt men do the real work for nothing pay right o.
500 million fo rbatman and how many poor and disadvantaged get to see the film.
It isn’t about art neither as i have said and you reiterate its about money to you and that has nothing to do with art , which is what copyright was originally formed to be about.
Giving and artist or creator SOME benefit.
YOU are just a business person with an overpriced product that’s lousy and people wont pay for it.
about region dvdrs, why should YOU the creator have a right WHERE the frak i watch it.
LIKE OMG your also furtharing the abuse of copyright and its spirit.
Art is meant to be shared and a true artist woudl give back to the poor and you dont see gene simmons in that mansion giving to the poor or sacrificing anything in hard economic times do ya.
MPAA = MONKEY POOP ARZEHOLES AZZOCIATION
and with a unification of hackers and pirates i highly doubt whatever you try now will ever work so keep up the 3 strikes law and when people start dying cause you cut off there phones , i hope you sleep well you evil little troll
ALSO p2p is great advertising for new artists and such and it also cheapens distribution as it puts the cost to the home user rather then having a need for the mpaa, and that’s whats got them scared of it, it shows a way to cheapen the model and get rid a them , now a band can put up one album and there site and have you go and PAY to get another and even make it like 5$ for the whole album and you dl it with the covers and guess what , the costs is there time to encode and record that’s it.
WOW
no production of cdrs , no offices , no stores , no stupid old men in suits telling people to get coffee and ride in fancy cars and live in mansions, no no , we nee dmore of that.
and guess what live shows will then make you known and get you cash as they should.
That is IF YOU ARE AN ARTIST
Uh, whoops, #87 & #90 aren’t named MPAA type. They’re ‘to MPAA type’. Sorry, I can’t read tonight :D
#84’s still satire, though.
it is wrong for a man have a rich woman or a woman have a wealthy man?It is an absolutely extramarital relationship. but more and more services come out on
Internet focusing on this kind of relationship.such as__S e e k r i c h . c o m___it’s the biggest dating site for wealthy and successful people.
@84 and ya got the wrong guy for medication , that’s me the guy bell Canada is screwing constantly any how im PRO p2p not anti p2p AND i’ll add that 84 is a gluechild moron troll that needs no more meds LOL.
terrorists , hrm way its going that term will become meaning everyone NOT in the mpaa and riaa.
So keep that up, while i use this term to describe the mpaa
ECONOMIC TERRORISM
yes taking money form the poor at crazy rates , poor product sucky drm lessoned rights and increased surveillance.
AND ya know that people that don’t pirate don’t use the net will get nervy with all those cameras , that is also a cost of all this NON democratic fascist bullcrap nonsense.
im not going ot repeat the violent thoughts of one poster here but woa , i know and can feel it. if they don’t back off someone is gonna really get hurt and that’s NOT what i want over a music tune meant to bring emotion to your life.
When you sue dead people, people laid up in hospital beds and you sue disabled and poor, ya you the actor and musican in signed up to the mpaa and its been long enough time you know what they do, YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE TO SAY, but it aint me doing it.
IT IS YOU.
DON’T SIGN TO THE MPAA or RIAA to make your films or music.
THEN you come here and tell us that and we’ll be happy to talk to you.
hrm ya a terrorist is gonna like slashdot said “p2p terrorist gets obama helicopter plans”
was that bitotrrent he used by chance ROFL if so wheres this torrent LOL fact is it was data theft off a hard drive
NOT p2p kiddy network shit.
STUPID TROLL
POOR reporting and poor wording and even more poor is the noob that cant figure it out
@84 MPAA Type
Ehhh…There are no subscriptions for the Pirate Bay at all. Therefore there is no money going from me to Piratebay to terrorism.
The modern filesharer knows not to buy pirate dvds from a bootlegger on the street. And also, please show us your proof that these bootleggers are supporting al’Qaeda. I know quite a few of them and none of them support terrorism (it would kill of their customers, not to mention terrorism is evil).
Oh and read a dictionary for the definition of stealing. Please notice that noone ever has and ever will be prosecuted for “stealing” a movie. They are prosecuted for copyright infringement.
As I write this, I am looking at a box set Season 1-7 of Smallville on DVD. A friend showed me an episode on Youtube, got me hooked, so I forked out about 120 euroes for the box set. Since I don’t watch TV (I use mine for gaming and dvd/blu-ray) I would never have seen Smallville or bought that box set. And please, answer this for me:
A person creates a thirty second video of their baby dancing on Youtube. In the background playing is a copyrighted song by a well-known artist. The focus of this video is the mother showing off her baby’s dancing. Yet she is threatened with legal action simply because there is music playing in the background (remember, its 30 seconds, so the full song was not heard). Do you agree with this type of behaviour?
ONE MASSIVE COUNTER-ACTION : BOYCOTT!
let’s list all the corporations who lead legal actions against user-friendly sites and boycott them.
WE are their own customers, let them know how they shoot bullets in their own legs!
To all 12 to 15 year old boys in this thread with foamy mouths because you’re so angry: please, just calm down will you? Nobody will take you seriously if you continue to produce excrement like “MPAA = MONKEY POOP ARZEHOLES AZZOCIATION” or “DEATH TO EVERYBODY IN THE MAFIAA!!”.
i’m from Romania but i live in Italy.i brought some dvds before but after realizing that i don’t have subtitles in romanian on them i’ve stopped. i like to watch movies in original language no matter what.
UE is becoming a multicultural multilingual state but you can’t buy dvds with subs in your own language.
thanks RIIA for your effort
@100 anon
Yeah thanks RIAA
You really help everyone.
Make sure people cant enjoy the films in their own language, Christ they might actually be able to read the script.
And then sue them.
It is absurd. We can not allow this to happen.
I am support MPAA and IFPI Sharia law.
Infidels Obey.
You Read unauthorized Subtitles you
die.
I really don’t get it why subtitles are illegal. Under Israeli Copyright Law, all translations are independent works and the rights to those belong to their creator and not the original content that was translated.
Too bad this guy Teva didn’t show, he is likely a morron that wanted to loose.
@79
Dear MPAA, i guess that ever-growing itunes and other systems, that OFFER you more choises, for example “download just your favorite song instead of whole album” are competing piracy better than you can imagine.
I wrote it once and i will write it again – you see only money aspect behind everything. MONEY is not the only motivation why ppl rather download instead of buy DVD!
Imagine YOUR OWN “TheHollywoodBay” bittorrent tracker. You can download first hand, hi quality and clean stuff, using some VERY SIMPLE PAY METHOD and pay system, as i wrote over.
IF ANYONE on this planet still thinks, that DRM will force someone to buying MORE pieces of the stuff, just to play it in car and the computer at once, he is… extremely stupid.
And for the very last —-
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Imagine world, where is no piracy. But where all those sites like Itunes, internet radios, youtubes… well all legal modern stuff is.
YOUR “loss” is counted from lack of selling DVD and CD’s. But it will never be back. It will never return. Those itunes, radios, etc etc provides 10* more comfort for 10* less money.
Killing all pirates will not bring back disk sales!!!
OMG, like I can’t believe that the jerks want to sue us for like just borrowing their content. I fully intend to actually pay for a DVD one of these days. But now I’m putting that day off for a year or two because these guys are like so mean.
This MPAA type is a Poe. This or the MPAA types are worst than we thought. If not, why this “pirating is like murder” thingy?
Anyway this is about control, selling the crap they want instead of the stuff you want. It’s the only reason why I do “pirate”. I go to iTunes, a shop, or whatever “legal” place to buy what I want. And the response of the “legal” dealer is always: “Sorry we do not have that but you can choose between our Star Academy and Eurovision delights”. Barf… I cannot stand their vomit so I have to go to Pirate Bay, emule or whatever place where I can get what I want. If the MPAA types do not want to sell it to me, it’s their problem. Because I’ll get it anyway. And certainly *not* buy their crap.
But these guys are just like horse carriage makers trying to ban the automobile in order to protect their obsolete business. They will just postpone their death a bit more. But at the end they will die the same.
Copyright is the new censorship. The big content industry wishes to suppress the free flow of information. Death to copyright!
At this rate they might try to shut down torrentfreak,com for spreading the truth
@105
“Under Israeli Copyright Law, all translations are independent works and the rights to those belong to their creator and not the original content that was translated”
Do you have a link on that? Because according to Israeli Copyright Act 2007 ( http://www.tau.ac.il/law/members/birnhack/IsraeliCopyrightAct2007.pdf ) this isn’t the case.
@84
“the law is the law”?
You mean “who has no money for trials is already doomed”?
Your US laws are filled with jokes and stupidities and you are one living law that should be in the dictionary under “Stupidity – nº 84″
you must be a very dumb person for saying sucha stupidities one after another and not looking at things as they are in first place.
Your “laws” can be translated in “Human rights violation” and “abuse of law”.
“dont cry, we are just harming you for our own protection” cop to jailed person
“miss we have to proceed to cavity search” cop to woman in airport
“im gonna teach you how to behave with a bunch of punches in your face” cop to cuffed person
there are tons of this articles written by persons that were the victims and saw the they couldnt do anything to be compensated cause “the law is the law” and shared their stories on the web.
I believe that there are really nice places to live in USA, but the image that represents USA is horrible and full of terror.
You call outsiders terrorists? Your government exports weapons.
They are the terrorists? your own elected representatives are the ones that ou should not trust.
But hey! this is what keeps saying to you year after year, you guys just dont do anything UNLESS it affects you all directly.
I consider myself a lucky and happy person for NOT living in USA.
Oh, and a proud pirate that buys all the movies that i really enjoyed. Im not the rich kind that buys movies that suck huge without knowing it.
Regarding filesharing supporting terrorism:
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/3/14/234939/956
I shake my head in disbelief to be linked with this
well as websites drop here and there (2.5 years worth of work for us people…gj btw)
they need to start torrenting their pages so they CANT be shut down! torrent websites need to have an offline aspect to them to prevent them being hosted in any one spot.
if encryption aint there yet (for normal folk) then offline CAN be there. anyone getting a letter for take down should host their site via tpb and offline torrents, perhaps compressed into rar files to keep it as a whole w/o people messing much /w them.
torrents of torrents are also really cool. axxo had one i saw before. had like 700 movie torrents in one easy to download file. 23kb each torrent is like 20mb or so total size for the indexes to download…
so if sites did the same, we download 50mb then go on our way they would be helping quite a bit. :D
Understanding that the transcript of a movie is intellectual property is one thing, but foreign language subtitles? Am I forbidden from watching a Spanish title because I can translate it in my head?
More importantly, it’s impossible to claim this harms revenue. If the movie in question wasn’t available with Hebrew subtitles, then it’s a fair bet that the majority of Israelis won’t pay for it. This, to my mind, would amount to added value rather than damages.
This is absolutely nonsense.
The reason of having fansubs, is the non-existence of subtitles in certain language.
This is very common in Europe, where movies are edited too late, and some of them don’t even get released. For example, The X-Files, are only been released this year in my country.
You should thank the fansubs, since they are simply promoting your work (movies, tv shows, anime …), if it wasn’t for them most of your (studios) work wouldn’t have the awareness you have now.
In my country, thanks to fansubs, large communities of TV fans where created. This opened the eyes of the local TVs broadcasters that bought the rights of many of the popular shows. Other shows are simply released straight to DVD.
Another thing, if fansub is illegal why do studios use them. Yes you’ve read it right. Many legal dvd’s and tv shows have fansubs subtitles in it. Here’s an example: http://vimeo.com/3065888
If nobody had made fansubs of anime, way way back before it was well known, then nobody in any other country would have realised that such a genre even existed, let alone allow it to grow to the global extent that it has today.
Fansubbing a movie which, for ridiculous reasons, is not available in your native tongue seems perfectly logical, fair, and even can be seen to work FOR the industry. People watch the movie, enjoy it, and then might buy it from an overseas source, or when it FINALLY gets released in their language, will buy it because they enjoyed it. Not to mention want to see more work by the same actor/director/company.
For example, I’m in Australia. A reasonable, fairly upwardly-motivated country. We speak English. Movies made in Hollywood do not need to be subtitled, dubbed or otherwise altered for us (yes, Tarantino, your original audience needed Grindhouse dumbed down, the rest of us actually comprehended your intentions). Yet, over and over, movies have been released on DVD for weeks if not months before we even get it at the cinema! Silent Hill and Wall-E are two that I can think of off the top of my head, and for both of them we struggled to resist the temptation of buying from Amazon. Instead, we held off, watched it at the cinema and then bought the hideously marked-up Australian versions. I’m glad we did, but so many do not wait. Global (and I mean really global) releases are not that difficult, and certainly limit the temptation to download.
The industries really are just shooting themselves in their feet.
/end rant
Yo Yogi. Your translation of the writers script (the lines read in the movie) is your intellectual property. The actual text is, however strange it may seem, the property of the person who wrote it, especially in connection with the movie where the lines are read. To distribute your translation publicly, in any form, you need to reach an agreement w/ the writer, who is represented by ALIS. Get it?
*** Intellectual Property Legislation is not Rocket Science ***
by MPAA Type;
“Perhaps the industry would be more keen to Globalization if the “fanned subtitles” community hadn’t already stolen the market share?”
Are you really that naive? globalisation is not an option my friend, it’s a fact. Your reply clearly demonstrates the industry’s lack of knowledge and foresight. Keen or not, its already happened, move with it or die, that is what free market economy is all about.
Your corporate clients are all too quick to demand a free market and less regulation until the point that it kicks them in the backside. You reap what you sow. THAT is the bottom line.
“Piracy leads to a decrease in sales. A lack of sales indicates that a film is not well liked by the masses. If a film is not liked by the masses, it is killed (no sequels, tv rights, etc).”
Yours definition of murder is as ambiguous as your definition of cogent. Are you meant to be a lawyer? You’re either a spotty teenager with a grudge yourself or you clearly don’t understand your own field. This has been demonstrated by the many huge errors made during TPB case. If you’re are all there is to worry about then people will go one fleecing your clients forever, just as you are doing.
What extraordinary utter greedy assholes. It defies logic.
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